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Title: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 31, 2017, 08:07:57 pm
What do you think?

http://deadline.com/2017/08/lord-of-the-flies-scott-mcgehee-david-siegel-female-cast-warner-bros-william-golding-novel-1202158421
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Chris on August 31, 2017, 09:26:16 pm
I can't be unbiased on this one.  They could make an all X-Men version of this book and I wouldn't see it.  Hated the book being tortured with motifs and conch shells in school...  Ugh!

My comment not directed at you, I just hate this book.  :)
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 31, 2017, 10:11:42 pm
No offense taken.  I thought it was a good book in the sense that all of us have the capability to become savage beasts if forced on a deserted island with no laws, no rules and no government.

I'm sure the writer and director will have a hell of a time making an all-girl movie version.  The rest of us, I dunno.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: mark on August 31, 2017, 11:13:40 pm
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login has a really important point. I don't know if this book is still standard curriculum in American schools but a lot of us were exposed to it, in junior high for me. I would imagine that any modern take is partly influenced by that.  This is probably a weird comment but the most interesting thing to me about the remake is that it is an American one, since Lord of the Flies, and the rest of Wm. Golding's work,  is so very British.

Having said that, with the additional comment that I would very much like to see Pincher Martin starring Amy Adams instead, I am curious to see it, conch shell and stick-sharpened-at-both-ends and all :(
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: alyssa on September 01, 2017, 04:55:45 am
it was still taught in either jr high or high school, 5 years ago

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Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Transmute Jun on September 01, 2017, 09:00:58 am
Interesting... i liked the book, and gave it to my kids to read. My daughter hated it, but my son really enjoyed it. I guess it's one of those 'love it or hate it' things.

That being said, I've never been enamored of any of the film versions, so I don't see why this should be any different. I'm also against mass-changing of traditional/original/source character appearance purely for political correctness, so that's a turnoff.

Then again, while loving the original and the change to an all-female cast turned me off of watching the new Ghostbusters film, when we finally ended up watching it, it turned out to be okay (which was far better than I was expecting). So it's possible this could be okay too. 
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: perc2100 on September 01, 2017, 09:34:11 am
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What do you think?

http://deadline.com/2017/08/lord-of-the-flies-scott-mcgehee-david-siegel-female-cast-warner-bros-william-golding-novel-1202158421

I'm open; I'm a rare "meh" in regards to the book and the movie adaptations over the years.  I don't dislike the book, but I don't really like it either (I haven't read it in a looooooong time, though).  I like the idea of a feminine take on it all, and will be curious to see if:
1. they get a woman to write/co-write the film.  I would personally be suspicious if this is an all-male written/directed film since so much of the concept deals with adolescent behavior.  As a boy reading this is middle school for class I always got the sense it was written to play on the animalistic instincts of boys; doing something similar from girls' perspective is a great idea, but I think if the movie does not have a woman writing or overseeing the project it will be more of a male-fantasy version of what guys THINK girls are like, what girls are thinking at that age, etc.

2. will they keep the setting in the (relatively) old-timey days or make it more of a modern setting?  That could make a HUGE difference in tone of the film, actions of the characters, etc.  Either setting (modern or 1950s) could make for some very interesting plot lines and character studies.  I think a modernized version, with the younger generation (seemingly) VERY different from the 1950s youth, could make for a very interesting character study regardless of sex.  A group of girls in this situation in the 1950s could be a fascinating deconstruction of the pre-feminist era of "how girls are 'supposed' to act" vs "how girls WOULD really react in a situation like this."

A woman doesn't have to write it for the film to be good, of course (just like it doesn't need to be written by a prepubescent boy for the original 60s movie to be good), but I think for me at this stage it would lend more credibility.  I guess I'm cautiously optimistic; if they get a woman writer I'll be more excited but either way I'll follow the behind the scenes rumblings and wait for a trailer to make any sort of real judgement.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: jamiesugah on September 01, 2017, 10:18:51 am
Yeah, I don't trust two men to write a decent script about how teenage girls would act in this scenario. And the thing is, it would be different. If they were like, "Oh, it's LIKE Lord of the Flies, but with girls," then maybe. (Still no.) But it's not going to BE Lord of the Flies because it probably wouldn't go the same way. Lord of the Flies was specifically about toxic masculinity. Girls might get violent in the same situation but it wouldn't be the exact same.

Also this already exists and it's called Beauty Queens by Libba Bray.

And I really hated Lord of the Flies (I had to read it twice in school, ugh), and the movie adaptation we had to watch, and this should really just not happen.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Angel_ on September 01, 2017, 10:50:06 am
That moment when you think "a writer at my blog had a good take on this issue" and then scroll down and she's already popped up to drop her hot take on it.

Basically, what she said *points at Jamie's post*

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Yeah, I don't trust two men to write a decent script about how teenage girls would act in this scenario. And the thing is, it would be different. If they were like, "Oh, it's LIKE Lord of the Flies, but with girls," then maybe. (Still no.) But it's not going to BE Lord of the Flies because it probably wouldn't go the same way. Lord of the Flies was specifically about toxic masculinity. Girls might get violent in the same situation but it wouldn't be the exact same.

Also this already exists and it's called Beauty Queens by Libba Bray.

And I really hated Lord of the Flies (I had to read it twice in school, ugh), and the movie adaptation we had to watch, and this should really just not happen.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Transmute Jun on September 01, 2017, 11:00:33 am
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Also this already exists and it's called Beauty Queens by Libba Bray.

Ooh, never thought of that! I liked that book too, although it was definitely 'fluffier' than LOTF.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 01, 2017, 11:20:18 am
I had to read that book in freshman high school in the late 1970s at a private so-called "British-American" school in New York.  By some strange coincidence, I was "introduced" to that book when we were house and dog-sitting for one of my father's co-workers that previous summer in the New York burbs.  I went downstairs and saw this big bookcase and the first book that caught my eye was LOTF.  I thought it was a horror book about people being attacked by flies, then I opened it and discovered it was pretty heavy stuff.

Later that freshman semester, we saw the 1963 movie.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Angel_ on September 01, 2017, 11:23:43 am
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a horror book about people being attacked by flies

10/10 Would read.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Transmute Jun on September 01, 2017, 11:27:32 am
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10/10 Would read.

Already written.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fly_(George_Langelaan)
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Angel_ on September 01, 2017, 12:13:08 pm
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Already written.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fly_(George_Langelaan)

As a Jeff Goldblum fanatic I'm ashamed I didn't think of this.  To be fair, I didn't know it was a book though. I've seen the 80's film a long long time ago.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 01, 2017, 12:17:17 pm
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As a Jeff Goldblum fanatic I'm ashamed I didn't think of this.  To be fair, I didn't know it was a book though. I've seen the 80's film a long long time ago.

I saw the 1958 version with Vincent Price.  "Help meeeeee!"
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: FBS on September 01, 2017, 01:22:23 pm
You can't polish a turd. You can try but it will still be a turd.

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Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Angel_ on September 01, 2017, 01:33:47 pm
I think I may be the only person here who never had to read this book.  Went to public school in the 90's and early 2000's, too.  *shrug*

Seems like I dodged a bullet.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: mark on September 01, 2017, 04:15:16 pm
I'm fairly neutral about the book. I didn't mind doing it in school, and I quite like the ending but in retrospect there are just so many more interesting books that you could do in a classroom. The aforementioned Pincher Martin for example, which has an even better ending.

As for the new film, I hope it's good, we could use more good things. And maybe the people making it have a story they want to share and this is the best way to do it. I'm not overly optimistic, but sometimes we get surprised. I couldn't have imagined that the Fargo tv series would be anything but a mess, never more happy to be wrong :)
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Chris on September 01, 2017, 06:50:18 pm
If I had just read it on my own, I would have still hated it, but the endless classroom torture of pink mountain motifs and the end of innocence... And Piggy's glasses scattering the end of intellectualism... And Sam'nEric chasing after everyone...  Ugh!  This book was of particular pain for me.  I think I'm scarred for life.

To Kill a Mocking Bird I got and loved, but not the Lord of the Flies.  I think I need to watch something completely vapid to erase this from my brain...  Fate of the Furious it is!  :)
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Chris on September 03, 2017, 07:01:30 pm
Can anyone please post anything here?  I would like to continue ranting about how much I hate this book.  :)
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 03, 2017, 07:08:11 pm
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To Kill a Mocking Bird I got and loved, but not the Lord of the Flies. 

I went to a public school in Honolulu during the second half of my freshman year and we got to both read and see the movie version of "Mocking Bird."  I liked "Mocking Bird" more because it was American whereas LOTF was more British-oriented.

Afterwards I went to summer school in Honolulu and had to read LOTF a second time.  I thought the local instructor's interpretation of LOTF was pretty funny though.  She called Jack "macho," lol.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Chris on September 03, 2017, 07:10:16 pm
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I went to a public school in Honolulu during the second half of my freshman year and we got to both read and see the movie version of "Mocking Bird."  I liked "Mocking Bird" more because it was American whereas LOTF was more British-oriented.

I went back and read all the mid school/high school books in my 20's and loved Mockingbird.  Wait, Mockingbird, Little finger?...
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 03, 2017, 07:11:30 pm
I updated my previous post, left out some important details about my experience with LOTF.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: mark on September 03, 2017, 07:13:50 pm

http://www.simpsonsworld.com/video/448356931860 (http://www.simpsonsworld.com/video/448356931860)
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 03, 2017, 07:14:32 pm
My summer school in Honolulu was at Punahou School, the private high school that Obama graduated from in 1979.  I just missed him by a month.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 03, 2017, 07:21:22 pm
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http://www.simpsonsworld.com/video/448356931860 (http://www.simpsonsworld.com/video/448356931860)

Before I watch it, what is this episode about?
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: mark on September 03, 2017, 07:23:51 pm
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Before I watch it, what is this episode about?

Sorry, should have explained.  It's basically the Simpsons version of Lord of the Flies. And a cautionary tale about the dangers of grapefruit :)

Also, To the Ends of the Earth is on Netflix. It's based on some of Wm Golding's later books. These kind of explore some of the same themes but much better IMHO. Plus Sam Neill and some young Benedict Cumberbatch.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Kerruvian on September 05, 2017, 04:09:22 am
Whether or not its an all-girls cast doesn't bother me as much as having to read that book in grade school lol.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: mark on September 05, 2017, 08:04:09 am
Rereading my previous post I realize that if I am recommending a mini-series I should probably lead with "young Benedict Cumberbatch."  (I guess he wasn't that young, pre-movie career in any case.)

I've been surprised at how strongly people feel about the book so I went back and read it again this past weekend. I still wouldn't put it on my list of favorites but I don't think it's a bad book at all. I'm curious as to what it is that people don't like, aside from having to read it in school of course :)
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Post by: jamiesugah on September 05, 2017, 10:50:42 am
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I've been surprised at how strongly people feel about the book so I went back and read it again this past weekend. I still wouldn't put it on my list of favorites but I don't think it's a bad book at all. I'm curious as to what it is that people don't like, aside from having to read it in school of course :)

In my case, a lot of my hatred comes from having to read it twice. Like, I didn't like it the first time, and then when I had to read it again, it just amplified my dislike. (I read it in 6th grade and 10th grade. Enough time between that I had to reread it to pass tests.) But for me, I didn't like it because everyone annoyed me and then they killed the one character I actually liked.
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Post by: Angology on September 05, 2017, 04:16:55 pm
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I think I may be the only person here who never had to read this book.  Went to public school in the 90's and early 2000's, too.  *shrug*

Seems like I dodged a bullet.
I didn't have to read it either. We read Animal Farm and SE Hinton books around that time (I was in Oklahoma at the time). I really don't have any interest in reading it either. Or seeing a movie.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Chris on September 05, 2017, 06:19:51 pm
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I didn't have to read it either. We read Animal Farm and SE Hinton books around that time (I was in Oklahoma at the time). I really don't have any interest in reading it either. Or seeing a movie.

Consider it a blessing. 

The whole premise is that when trapped on an island, a bunch of kids devolve into anarchy without societies' rules with the biggest cop out at the end in my opinion.  It ain't a big surprise when it happens.  And it ain't the feel good read of the century.

Plus, there ain't no pictures, so its got that going for it...   :)
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Post by: Transmute Jun on September 05, 2017, 07:20:14 pm
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Plus, there ain't no pictures, so its got that going for it...   :)

Actuually...

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/2YV0v
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 05, 2017, 10:32:36 pm
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Actuually...

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/2YV0v

LOL!  And of course, what's a good literary book without a comic book or graphic novel version???   :P

The picture of the guy who didn't survive bailing out of his plane was creepy.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Angel_ on September 06, 2017, 01:29:57 pm
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My summer school in Honolulu was at Punahou School, the private high school that Obama graduated from in 1979.  I just missed him by a month.

I live about two blocks from Punahou. Small world! I pass it every day on the way home.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 06, 2017, 02:00:55 pm
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I live about two blocks from Punahou. Small world! I pass it every day on the way home.

I went to Kaiser High during the second half of my freshman year in 1979 and graduated from Kalani High in 1982.  From 1981-82, my dad taught at U of HI Manoa.

And I went to Koko Head Elementary in 1973.
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: mark on September 07, 2017, 10:11:48 am
Saw this this morning and had to laugh:

"After a pandemic strikes, a dorm complex at a small American college is quarantined with all of the students trapped within. What first starts out as youthful freedom from authority soon devolves into a violent new society—it’s Lord of the Flies on a college campus."

(http://blog.boom-studios.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Lazaretto_001_Cover-666x1024.jpg)

Last night was "Back to School night" for our kids, my son's English teacher had all the books out for the different classes and sure enough there was LOTF in the 10th grade pile. (The 12th grade pile had Heart of Darkness, I was actually pretty happy with the books my son will be reading this year.)
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Matryoshka on September 13, 2017, 10:56:39 am
My 8th grade English teacher put us through the ringer by having us read all the heavy duty dystopias one after another: Brave New World, 1984, Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm. It was kind of a depressing semester but I was by far the most upset by LOTF. I still have a vivid memory of reading Piggy’s death and wanting to throw the book down. I don’t think I’d be seeing this girls or boys.
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Post by: Angel_ on September 13, 2017, 01:11:37 pm
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My 8th grade English teacher put us through the ringer by having us read all the heavy duty dystopias one after another: Brave New World, 1984, Lord of the Flies, Animal Farm. It was kind of a depressing semester but I was by far the most upset by LOTF. I still have a vivid memory of reading Piggy’s death and wanting to throw the book down. I don’t think I’d be seeing this girls or boys.

How To Turn 13 year Olds Into Pessimists 101
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Chris on September 13, 2017, 09:36:43 pm
Ooooooooooooo!  People are posting to this thread again!  I get to complain about the book more!  :)
Title: Re: 2 film guys made deal with WB to make all-girl version of "Lord of the Flies."
Post by: Transmute Jun on September 14, 2017, 05:43:28 am
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Ooooooooooooo!  People are posting to this thread again!  I get to complain about the book more!  :)

When has lack of a thread/thread activity ever stopped you from complaining, Chris? ;)
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Post by: mark on September 14, 2017, 03:56:20 pm
I totally punted on the themed fantasy football recap this week but I think a Lord of the Flies theme would be perfect.