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Title: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 02, 2022, 03:12:44 PM
This show has had its ups and downs, but the final episodes (the last 8 episodes of the series) begin tonight!
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Zero on October 02, 2022, 07:09:48 PM
I'm excited to see how it all ends!  There have been some great TV moments in the series throughout the years.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: perc2100 on October 03, 2022, 07:49:57 AM
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I'm excited to see how it all ends!  There have been some great TV moments in the series throughout the years.
Yeah I stopped watching this series after Rick left/before Michonne left, but after reading the comics I'm curious to see how they wrap up the series.  As a 46 year old horror fan, I'll _NEVER_ not smile knowing that we got an incredibly popular zombie TV series on cable TV that was originally run by a DGA/WGA Award nominated writer/director!  Obviously this show as often veered pretty far away from the comics, and the gut punch ending of the comics run is already (almost) impossible to happen on the series, but I'll watch these last few months of the show to see how it ends, and appreciate that for a few years a zombie show that was quite graphic was the mainstream hit of TV!
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 03, 2022, 08:56:45 AM
It's amazing when you think that in order to get the comic published, Kirkman had to pitch it as a sci-fi story with aliens... ;)

Here is my review of last night's episode. It's off to a decent start.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/10/03/focc-review-twd-episode-1117-lockdown/
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Post by: perc2100 on October 03, 2022, 10:31:56 AM
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It's amazing when you think that in order to get the comic published, Kirkman had to pitch it as a sci-fi story with aliens... ;)
Right, and the issue where he had a 'addendum' type of thing that went full-sci-fi is hilarious  :P :P
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Zero on October 04, 2022, 02:39:41 PM


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Yeah I stopped watching this series after Rick left/before Michonne left, but after reading the comics I'm curious to see how they wrap up the series.  As a 46 year old horror fan, I'll _NEVER_ not smile knowing that we got an incredibly popular zombie TV series on cable TV that was originally run by a DGA/WGA Award nominated writer/director!  Obviously this show as often veered pretty far away from the comics, and the gut punch ending of the comics run is already (almost) impossible to happen on the series, but I'll watch these last few months of the show to see how it ends, and appreciate that for a few years a zombie show that was quite graphic was the mainstream hit of TV!

I actually did stop watching it for a while after season 9's finale, but I went back to it eventually and got caught up during early to mid-2021 (since I was working from home and had some more free time, ha ha).  I'm actually still a few episodes behind on season 11 though.  Bwuhahahaha! XD

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True story!  Right!?  I feel the same way.  Amazing how it was the "hit" show for a bit, especially during the earlier seasons!  I remember the huge buzz it caused back in the day, especially for certain season premieres, ha ha.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: debster on October 04, 2022, 07:48:55 PM
I've been watching it throughout the run, although I definitely lost interest in the middle. I really just want to see it through and hope that the ending episodes are good.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: perc2100 on October 05, 2022, 08:41:48 AM
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I actually did stop watching it for a while after season 9's finale, but I went back to it eventually and got caught up during early to mid-2021 (since I was working from home and had some more free time, ha ha).  I'm actually still a few episodes behind on season 11 though.  Bwuhahahaha! XD

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True story!  Right!?  I feel the same way.  Amazing how it was the "hit" show for a bit, especially during the earlier seasons!  I remember the huge buzz it caused back in the day, especially for certain season premieres, ha ha.
Yeah for a brief moment we had a zombie series as the #1 show on cable TV and a big budget Brad Pitt starring/producing mainstream zombie movie in theaters.

We had it all...  :P
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 10, 2022, 08:39:50 AM
Here are my thoughts on last night's episode.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/10/10/focc-review-twd-episode-1118-a-new-deal/
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 17, 2022, 09:05:02 AM
I'm not sure about these 'smart' walkers... it feels awfully late in the series to be introducing them. But I loved Eugene's character arc.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/10/17/focc-review-twd-episode-1119-variant/
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Post by: perc2100 on October 17, 2022, 10:20:56 AM
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I'm not sure about these 'smart' walkers... it feels awfully late in the series to be introducing them. But I loved Eugene's character arc.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/10/17/focc-review-twd-episode-1119-variant/
I agree, and it'll be curious to see how they play into a finale scenario.  Fortunately/unfortunately (depending on one's opinion of the situation) this franchise feels never-ending with spinoffs and sequels and whatnot; from that perspective TWD may feel like SW, where tons of little branches or story and situations extend and evolve into other series.

On a related note, I (finally) caught up with ZOMBIELAND: DOUBLE TAP, and they to had a story thread on 'smart'/super zombies that had evolved into better problem solvers & faster/more resilient than the regular ones.  I guess Snyder did the same for ARMY OF THE DEAD, and of course the godfather of the modern zombie genre George Romero himself originated that concept first with DAY OF THE DEAD (good ol' Bub - the zombie who could learn) and took it several steps further in LAND OF THE DEAD with Big Daddy & his crew.  Out of all of those Romero seemingly was the only writer/director to develop the idea, so there are a myriad of possibilities one could explore in TWD family of shows.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 17, 2022, 01:03:37 PM
I agree that there is too much in the way coming for TWD spinoffs. It feels like they're over-saturating the market, as Star Trek and Star Wars are currently close to doing. Do we really need 2 spinoffs at once, plus the Rick/Michonne mini-series? And Fear is still limping along.

I'd love to see them focus on one thing at a time. I'm all for planting seeds to pay off later (I love that) but planning something this big, which could never come to fruition in this series feels like a bit much.

I guess I should revise that...  in the comics, the alst book was a decade or so after the events in the Commonwealth. Maybe the last episode of the television show will also be 10 years later and have the smart walkers in it? But even so, that wouldn't be very fulfilling. And it negates everything they ever did, stabbing people in the head to prevent them from turning, killing walkers, etc., if they could potentially 'come back'. That's what Herschel had been trying to do in his barn way back when.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 24, 2022, 09:14:08 AM
This week's episode was all about the people at the Commonwealth...

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/10/24/focc-review-twd-episode-1120-whats-been-lost/
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 31, 2022, 08:24:41 AM
The storyline is moving along... but it's starting to feel like there's too much for them to do in the final 3 episodes, which makes me feel like they're going to leave a lot of loose ends for the sequel series. Sigh....

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/10/31/focc-review-twd-episode-1121-outpost-22/
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: perc2100 on October 31, 2022, 11:42:27 AM
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The storyline is moving along... but it's starting to feel like there's too much for them to do in the final 3 episodes, which makes me feel like they're going to leave a lot of loose ends for the sequel series. Sigh....

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/10/31/focc-review-twd-episode-1121-outpost-22/
It always seems odd to me that a comic book feels like it ties up loose ends moreso than a (relatively) major TV series.  I'm never a fan of movies or series that feel like they're spending more work/time setting up future installments vs producing a really solid self-contained storyline (looking at you AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2).  I mean, we have masterpieces like the Indiana Jones movie series that is about to drop #5 on us where each film is one self-contained story with full character arcs, etc: all made tons of money, all(most) broadly liked, etc.  I legit wish more series followed THAT lead, rather than wasting audience's time setting up potential future story arcs.
I personally thought that a detriment to The Walking Dead TV series vs comic is the production team HAS to cater to its cast, rather than 1) leaving characters out in order to focus on other characters 2) killing off whomever to serve a story, rather than serving human beings or what not.  TWD does better with this sometimes, and worse with others, while still letting the series 'breathe' enough to discover itself and be its own entity: adding characters to the mix not from the comics, giving characters more room to grow/develop in the series than comics, etc.  But it's hard for me to keep interest in something that feels like its just constantly spinning its wheels for commerce rather than story narrative, and it feels like TWD crossed that threshold awhile ago.
I dunno if I was hoping for more finality in this series than we're obviously getting, but the way they're playing this season out is not keeping my interest or making me excited for any future series (I'm MUCH more interested in the anthology series (though TBH I apparently missed Tales of the Walking Dead completely w/out seeing any episodes)
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 31, 2022, 12:29:41 PM
Tales of the Walking Dead was a mixed bag. Most of the episodes were a bit weird, and even... should I say, supernatural? The Alpha episode was definitely the best one if you are interested in the main series. The Terry Crews episode had more of a 'Fear' feel (which will make sense if you are familiar with Fear and have watched that episode). The others were just strange and/or predictable.

I think that TWD jumped the shark on being unafraid to 'follow the storyline' when Negan killed Glenn. That made no sense (given the whole 'dumpster' thing from the previous episodes) and was completely unnecessary. After that, there was a strong reluctance to kill off major characters, with the only major exception being Jesus at the start of the Whisperer war. (I'm not counting Tara... she wasn't even in the comics, although she was in the comic universe.) They did kill off Carl, but I gather that that was because they had issues behind the scenes with Chandler Riggs.

I still maintain that the 'best' character for Negan to have killed off in the 'lineup' would have been Daryl... it would have been shocking and lead to all kinds of plotline ripples. But no, he was a fan favorite, so they made him safe.

Since that time, it's been clear that all of the major characters are 'safe'... to the point that even the actors who wanted off the show were left alive, rather than killed off. And that has made the show less exciting. Game of Thrones also tread into this territory... but at least they made a big turnaround on that toward the end of the series, even killing off one of the previously 'untouchable' characters. I'm not seeing that here, although the finale may surprise us.

The loose ends thing bugs me, because rather than a proper conclusion, we're likely to have the stories simply continuing in different series... and that's just a cheap gimmick to keep us watching. It's one thing to send Morgan and Dwight off to Fear... it's another when the entire TWD series ends with ongoing questions.

Still... I may be pre-judging. We will see what happens in the final 3 episodes.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: perc2100 on November 01, 2022, 08:18:50 AM
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Tales of the Walking Dead was a mixed bag. Most of the episodes were a bit weird, and even... should I say, supernatural? The Alpha episode was definitely the best one if you are interested in the main series. The Terry Crews episode had more of a 'Fear' feel (which will make sense if you are familiar with Fear and have watched that episode). The others were just strange and/or predictable.

I think that TWD jumped the shark on being unafraid to 'follow the storyline' when Negan killed Glenn. That made no sense (given the whole 'dumpster' thing from the previous episodes) and was completely unnecessary. After that, there was a strong reluctance to kill off major characters, with the only major exception being Jesus at the start of the Whisperer war. (I'm not counting Tara... she wasn't even in the comics, although she was in the comic universe.) They did kill off Carl, but I gather that that was because they had issues behind the scenes with Chandler Riggs.

I still maintain that the 'best' character for Negan to have killed off in the 'lineup' would have been Daryl... it would have been shocking and lead to all kinds of plotline ripples. But no, he was a fan favorite, so they made him safe.

Since that time, it's been clear that all of the major characters are 'safe'... to the point that even the actors who wanted off the show were left alive, rather than killed off. And that has made the show less exciting. Game of Thrones also tread into this territory... but at least they made a big turnaround on that toward the end of the series, even killing off one of the previously 'untouchable' characters. I'm not seeing that here, although the finale may surprise us.

The loose ends thing bugs me, because rather than a proper conclusion, we're likely to have the stories simply continuing in different series... and that's just a cheap gimmick to keep us watching. It's one thing to send Morgan and Dwight off to Fear... it's another when the entire TWD series ends with ongoing questions.

Still... I may be pre-judging. We will see what happens in the final 3 episodes.
Yeah I hate to say it/be negative as I know plenty of folks still really like this series, but it feels like quite awhile ago this series became more of a cash cow than a narrative story.  I'm not necessarily a bloodthirsty "kill people off!!" type of person (I dug them killing Glenn, at least because that's how it was in the comics - I detested how they structured those deaths, and drug them out over an entire summer HYPING over the bloodshed), but as you hinted out a show w/out stakes becomes uninteresting pretty fast for me.  I was legit interested in how they would 'send off' characters whose actors wanted off the show, and bummed that they just...disappeared instead of were killed off.  This show became more about making AMC money, and far less about creating interesting narratives that brought stakes.  When our main characters were trapped by the hunters at the Terminus, at that point I think we didn't know how they'd get out, whom might die, etc.  Nowadays it feels like our heroes will improbably find their way out of the situation because we don't dare risk upsetting the balance that could upset the finances.

I usually appreciate when a show has its own exit strategy: when they announce "we'll do one or two more seasons" and that way the creatives can craft a graceful exit - something at least BITD was incredibly rare for a long-running series that would just get canceled in between spring season finale and fall season premier, with creatives having to leave plots dangling, or frantically crafting a series 'end' (see Quantum Leap for one of the more egregious examples).  I'm not sure fans will get any sort of closure here for TWD
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Old Man Grey on November 01, 2022, 12:11:10 PM
I guess all the Commonwealth guards went to the Star Wars Stormtrooper marksmanship class because they sure can't shoot straight. ::)
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: perc2100 on November 01, 2022, 12:43:04 PM
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I guess all the Commonwealth guards went to the Star Wars Stormtrooper marksmanship class because they sure can't shoot straight. ::)
Makes sense, since they also cribbed their uniforms from the Stormtroopers: they should've gone with the Death Troopers, I guess  :P
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Old Man Grey on November 02, 2022, 07:49:16 AM
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Makes sense, since they also cribbed their uniforms from the Stormtroopers: they should've gone with the Death Troopers, I guess  :P
Yeah, and that armor is about as useful as the Stormtroopers.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 02, 2022, 11:51:57 AM
The armor is only as useful as the plot demands. When the soldiers are supposed to be menacing, it's impenetrable. But when necessary, a walker can bite down and kill someone wearing the full armor.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 07, 2022, 08:30:03 AM
It felt like they didn't give this weeks episode enough time, particularly for the 're-taking' of Alexandria.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/11/07/focc-review-twd-episode-1122-faith/
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Old Man Grey on November 07, 2022, 09:07:28 AM
I agree. Nothing feels right about this episode. There's really no tension or menace at all. Our heroes always prevail, the bad guys die or change sides, and everyone somehow runs into each other in the magical forest. It's just a rush to wrap it all up and get to the next spinoff.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: perc2100 on November 07, 2022, 12:51:24 PM
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I agree. Nothing feels right about this episode. There's really no tension or menace at all. Our heroes always prevail, the bad guys die or change sides, and everyone somehow runs into each other in the magical forest. It's just a rush to wrap it all up and get to the next spinoff.
What a shame; I hate when a good show/film blows the ending - even more frustrating than just an overall bad series/movie.  When it feels like a series is mostly spinning wheels and collecting ad revenue.

Conversely, I'll _ALWAYS_ appreciate a series that gets in/gets out, has a clear beginning, middle, end point and tells a well-constructed, well-thought out story (like I'm hoping for Ted Lasso's final season 3)
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 09, 2022, 10:14:44 AM
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I agree. Nothing feels right about this episode. There's really no tension or menace at all. Our heroes always prevail, the bad guys die or change sides, and everyone somehow runs into each other in the magical forest. It's just a rush to wrap it all up and get to the next spinoff.

I'm loving your description of the 'magical forest'!  ;D
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 14, 2022, 09:01:57 AM
Okay, the penultimate episode had some ups and downs, but kudos to the writers for giving so many characters a brief moment to shine, to show how far them have come over the years.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/11/14/focc-review-twd-episode-1123-family/
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Old Man Grey on November 16, 2022, 07:13:38 PM
I think the budget constraints were really showing in this episode. Except for the overhead CGI shots of the horde, Commonwealth looked very under populated. 3 guards for the main gate?  If there are "thousands" of people in the lower wards why not mobilize them to fight the dead? Logically all our heroes trapped in that street at the end should die. Unless there is a row of dumpsters to hide under. Once again, the magical forest lets Arron and the gang to get to the front of the horde in no time at all.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 17, 2022, 05:50:30 AM
Yeah, it's ridiculous that they spent so many episodes traveling back to Alexandria (via wagon) and never got there, then turned around and shuffled back (with the horde) to the Commonwealth in a couple of days.

I think that most of the guards were supposed to be out organizing the herd. And of course, there were the handful whom Governor Milton pulled out to stage her ambush in the train station.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Old Man Grey on November 17, 2022, 08:02:58 AM
I thought the ambush guys were the Governers private security guys and not the regular troops. Kind of a secret police/spy group for black ops.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 17, 2022, 03:56:58 PM
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I thought the ambush guys were the Governers private security guys and not the regular troops. Kind of a secret police/spy group for black ops.

Possibly. They certainly weren't wearing the Stormtrooper getups.
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 21, 2022, 07:58:26 AM
So what did you all think of the final episode? Like most of this season, it had some good and some not so good... and a bunch of hand-waving when they just wanted to make things happen. But they did seem to put in some effort to tie things up... at least, for some characters.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2022/11/21/focc-review-twd-episode-1124-rest-in-peace/
Title: Re: TWD: The Final Episodes (spoilers)
Post by: stl_ben on November 22, 2022, 11:34:07 AM
Such a let down.  Not so much of a finale as a stay tuned for more.