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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1665 on: January 14, 2022, 06:50:28 PM »
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Alpha came out of the UK.  The first strain of covid that swept the US was also from Europe.  The original Wuhan strain was never a factor in the US.  We banned flights from China but when covid first hit hard here, it came out of Europe.  That's why New York was the original big hotspot in the US.  That's also why flight bans have limited utility.

Maybe I’m wrong but I think that was because the entire world was unvaccinated, so of course a variant can evolve anywhere.
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1666 on: January 15, 2022, 12:47:54 PM »
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Maybe I’m wrong but I think that was because the entire world was unvaccinated, so of course a variant can evolve anywhere.

You're right.  That was before vaccinations.  But so was every major variant until omicron.  Delta also emerged in 2020 before vaccinations were widely available.

That's the big difference with omicron.  Alpha and delta bubbled along for months before they took the world by storm.  It was pretty bad in India for months before the world press gave it the attention it deserved.

Omicron was first found in South Africa where over 90% of the population has covid antibodies.  So effectively they could be considered "vaccinated".  That didn't stop omicron.  Stopping serious illness and death isn't enough.  We have to stop infections.  Even an asymptomatic infection can lead to a variant.  Which is the thing that's been underplayed with omicron.  Yes it does look to be more mild but because it's so contagious a lot more people are getting infected.  Which increases the opportunities for variants to emerge.  Even in populations that are highly vaccinated.  Israel has already found 20 variants of omicron. One of which, BA.2, has already started it's spread around the world.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1667 on: Yesterday at 10:02:10 PM »
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“Supply Chain Woes Could Worsen as China Imposes New Covid Lockdowns”

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We have to stop infections.  Even an asymptomatic infection can lead to a variant.
Until that miracle drug comes out, you are asking for the impossible.
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1668 on: Yesterday at 11:38:15 PM »
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Until that miracle drug comes out, you are asking for the impossible.

Hoping for that miracle drug has been the problem.  The best defense we have against covid has been with us all along.  Masks.  No variant has yet to defeat them.  Before they gave up on the vast majority of Americans wearing them, pubic health used to say that vaccines alone would not be enough.  As has been shown so far, they aren't.  Countries where the vast majority of the population, over 90%, reliably wear high quality masks tend to have low transmission, even before vaccines.  Combine high quality mask wearing with vaccines and the impossible is possible.  We can't stop transmission altogether at this point.  But cutting it down from 50% of the population getting infected to 5% greatly reduces the opportunity for variants.