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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2022, 10:35:59 AM »
THE FLASH update:
Ezra Miller was on the WB lot shooting pickups one day recently, with WB seemingly going full steam ahead with its plan to release the film early summer 2023.
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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2022, 10:43:58 AM »
And here's a recent article that details how WB's head of DC productions is the "best job in Hollywood no one wants"
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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2022, 08:20:57 AM »
Well, if I've s&#^ talked WB for their handling of DC property I've GOT to give them credit when they do something great: no, this is legit inspired!!

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Writer/Director (and sometime actor) James Gunn & producer Peter Safran (AQUAMAN; Gunn's THE SUICIDE SQUAD & Peacemaker; Conjuring series; among others) to Lead Film, TV and Animation Division; they will report directly to WB Discover head David Zaslav and assume the title of co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios.

It had been talked about behind the scenes that Zaslav was looking for a "Kevin Feigi type," someone with creative experience, that could oversee all aspects of the DC film universe, and I'd say they came up with a great duo!  Gunn will oversee the creative side, while Safran will oversee the production side.  Gunn has shown he can expertly play in the comic book genre, not only with the PG-13 rated GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY series, but also the (very) R-rated SUICIDE SQUAD & Peacemaker spinoff (not to mention his non-comic book adaptation movie SUPER, and his VERY Justice League International-esque writing/acting turn with THE SPECIALS).  Gunn also has producing experience, not only with smaller films but he worked quite a bit behind the scenes with Marvel Studios for their phase 3, 'consulting' story and character elements for several films, but he also flat-out Executive Produced INFINITY WAR & ENDGAME!
And Safran is no slouch either, with a very robustly successful resume of films he's produced that have made billions.

This is a great move with VERY proven talent.  Reportedly these two will be the final word when it comes to greenlighting films and shepherding production, which will go a long way with convincing creative talent to come make DC films.  Comic fans should be hyped with the thought that some of those less-mainstream characters may be getting their own big budget film or streaming series now, as well as knowing that characters like Superman will likely get handled with care and hue closer to the comics iteration (Gunn is an avowed comic nerd).

Now, I'm clearly a James Gunn fanboy, so I'm hyped that he's been given a huge responsibility that should work out favorably for everyone: fans, creatives, as well as the studio's finances.  The article states Gunn will still direct and make his own projects during this time (a four year exclusive deal) so fans of his films will still see his own work: he's been working on Season 2 of Peacemaker for awhile now at the very least.  And one thing's for sure, it's gonna be REAL interesting when he's doing press for GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY vol. 3 while also working exclusively for what's now DC Studios.

So while WB has made themselves quite a mess to clean up with their DC movie universe, they've installed leadership that will definitely have a creative vision and bring them the closest to Marvel Studios that, I think, any other competitive studio has been able to get thus far.  I legit now can't wait to see what DC Studios does going forward (THE FLASH and its sequel, as well as the AQUAMAN sequel and BLUE BEETLE films are already done, and THE JOKER sequel falls outside of this arrangement as its not a part of the DC universe and more of an "Elseworlds" storyline)

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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2022, 09:41:40 AM »
My only, *only* con to this, is that so far, all of JG's properties have been on the humorous side.  It'd be nice to see some range in the DCU, but if it turns into just a bunch of properties being all comedy-focused...I dunno...
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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2022, 05:42:50 PM »
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My only, *only* con to this, is that so far, all of JG's properties have been on the humorous side.  It'd be nice to see some range in the DCU, but if it turns into just a bunch of properties being all comedy-focused...I dunno...
You mean like the way the Marvel Universe is trending now.

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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2022, 09:59:18 AM »
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My only, *only* con to this, is that so far, all of JG's properties have been on the humorous side.  It'd be nice to see some range in the DCU, but if it turns into just a bunch of properties being all comedy-focused...I dunno...
True, but his (albeit relatively limited) comic adaptations vary quite a bit form his non-comic adaptations.  For example, as a writer he wrote the 2004 DAWN OF THE DEAD remake, as well as writing/directing SLITHER & SUPER: while both of those had some comedy in it, the comedy was mostly used to balance the horror (SLITHER) or dark psyche of the main characters (SUPER).  His writing/producing output recently, BRIGHTBURN & BELKO EXPERIMENT, on the other hand, were straight-up genre movies.  BRIGHTBURN was a flat-out horror movie (mixed with superhero/comic undertones in a "what if Superman had a bad mindset and turned evil instead of world-savior), and BELKI was a bit of horror mixed with drama and a tinge of sci-fi.  While BELKO EXPERIMENT has some humor from characters, both of those films are pretty dark/serious: as is SLITHER & SUPER. 

I agree that thematically he does seem to like 1)ensemble movies and 2)characters that are often misfits of some sort.  I do think he's the type that will let creatives have plenty of space to let their own voices shine in their films, while helping behind the scenes to ensure tight story and character developments (as well as, likely, some sort of continuity maybe).  I can get how non-fanboys would want to see a more serious tone with DC mainstays like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. and I suspect that as big of a fan as Gunn is of comics, he will almost certainly maintain the heart and themes of each of the characters he's involved with.

A more interesting thought, is the "Marvel Studios Way" generally maintains similar look, production schedules, sometimes feeling 'formulaic' as far movie storybeats and what not.  I'll be curious to see if Gunn and Safran try to get DC to have a similar "are movies look very similar stylistically" or if they will let the filmmakers have freedom to do whatever.  Gunn has always struck me as an "outside-the-box" type of creative, where he rides a fine line between keeping his voice strong while also not straying from the studio a ton.  It's maybe hard to remember nowadays, but the GotG film felt tonally quite a bit different from the first batch of Marvel films: it still stayed true-to-formula, to an extent, but that ensemble + humor (which fits those characters to a T) was pretty fresh when the first film opened: almost felt like "Joss Whedon character dialog on steroids" maybe to the uninitiated.  Also remember that he was a significant 'influence'/voice on INFINITY WAR & ENDGAME (particularly on the cosmic side of things for those films), and that film definitely felt like a 'Russo Bros film' FAR more than a Gunn film.

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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2022, 10:34:08 AM »
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You mean like the way the Marvel Universe is trending now.
That is interesting, and I heard from an inside Marvel Studios 'source' part of that tone is in contrast to the 'darker' DCEU movies from the (mostly) Zach Snyder era, as well as JOKER.  Obviously post-Snyder DC films has SHAZAAM! which would feel right-at-home with the lighter Marvel films tonally, as well as AQUAMAN, Wonder Woman sequel, and presumably BLACK ADAM (which I haven't seen yet).  The source also told me that tone also appeals to a broader audience which means more ticket sales.  There's a reason my parents didn't care for any of the Snyder-era DC stuff, but generally really like all of the Marvel stuff, and it's not because they have any care or knowledge of the comic properties.  I agree with few exceptions Marvel Studios seems to like to keep things light and jokey, but juggling tone in a superhero movie where creatives are dealing with a TON of CGI and outlandish story developments, I think the humor helps to balance things out and make situations a little more relatable for the average non-comic nerd moviegoers (remember, these have to appeal to people like my parents and not just cater to the built-in comic fans if they want to make profits and guarantee more films).

I do think Marvel has done a pretty good job of letting great directors' voices shine through in their films: BLACK PANTHER is very much a Ryan Googler film thematically and tonally, and even the Doctor Strange sequel feels 100% like a Sam Raimi movie.  To be a little blunt, I think stronger, more confident directors' voices shine through and add distinction to their films moreso than less-accomplished.  Even ETERNALS directors Chloé Zhao, who had never directed a huge effects-driven film before, had her distinct character ethos - some of the scenic shots have her trademark look too (less so than other directors).  Marvel likes to skew back-and-forth between TV-established directors who can shoot a movie quick, on-budget, and work/trust their production team to get their jobs done, while also hiring stronger film directors like Coogler, Gunn, etc. who get their vision across tonally far more.

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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2022, 12:53:03 PM »
OK, I'm sounding like James Gunn's publicist, and I apologize if I'm too fanboy-esque here; his writing & directing styles are sooooo my jam and having met him a few times he seems like a great guy (especially nowadays; quite awhile ago he had a very different vibe) and I'm really hyped for him personally to get this awesome gig, as well as as a fan of DC comics to see what he can do to help WB get its act together and make consistently good DC comics films.  I personally think DC was on track post-Snyder and I've generally liked more of their stuff than I've disliked (where as I kind of liked Snyder's output, but when I've tried to revisit those films from MAN OF STEEL through the first SUICIDE SQUAD it's hard for me not to get hung up on those films' myriad of flaws).

Anyway, long story shot (too late, I know), this is a great move for WB and I look forward to the next several years of DC Studios' film development!!

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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2022, 03:22:54 PM »
Agree w/all that was said, and who knows, until we start to see real, tangible output from this new relationship.

I do see range on the Marvel side...look at Werewolf by Night, She-Hulk, and then their "normal" properties...while I don't believe that they lean hard one way or another, they do lean in those directions at times.  I think tho the fact that they have multiple properties that run the range help them there.  WB/DC doesn't have that flexibility yet.

WB/DC has nowhere to go except up, so, let's hope that JG & Co. can help right the ship. I will say that I did enjoy Black Adam, and I'll not add to that cause, you know, spoilers, but I do hope that they can really bring more to the table.

Now, as for humorous...if we got James Gunn at the helm of a Blue Devil movie? $#!7, sign me up for that!
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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2022, 11:15:46 PM »
I kinda agree with everything said so far, both the positive and negative.  I’d say I’m a fan of Gunn, but not a fanboy.

There are a bunch of questions I’m dying to know:

1) How much of an impact will he have on already-filmed but not yet releases movies, like Flash & Aquaman 2. Will he be wanting reshoots to have those films fit more in line with his overarching vision?

2) Will there be any kind of reboot or reset? I know Flash is rumored to have such a reset already, but will he try to expand upon it or maybe scale it back?

3) Will he unshelve Batgirl? Or perhaps have it refilmed?

4) Will the non-DCEU films continue (aka Joker & The Batman)?

5) Will he try to poach MCU filmmakers & actors? If GotG3 is indeed the last with this crew, one or more of the characters may be killed off, so…

6) Will he save all the big reveals for Hall H SDCC 2023??

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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2022, 06:50:01 AM »
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I kinda agree with everything said so far, both the positive and negative.  I’d say I’m a fan of Gunn, but not a fanboy.

There are a bunch of questions I’m dying to know:

1) How much of an impact will he have on already-filmed but not yet releases movies, like Flash & Aquaman 2. Will he be wanting reshoots to have those films fit more in line with his overarching vision?

2) Will there be any kind of reboot or reset? I know Flash is rumored to have such a reset already, but will he try to expand upon it or maybe scale it back?

3) Will he unshelve Batgirl? Or perhaps have it refilmed?

4) Will the non-DCEU films continue (aka Joker & The Batman)?

5) Will he try to poach MCU filmmakers & actors? If GotG3 is indeed the last with this crew, one or more of the characters may be killed off, so…

6) Will he save all the big reveals for Hall H SDCC 2023??
The last point above by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login really makes me excited (kinda?) for Hall H next year...if they just run w/this and do something to help us all understand how they're going to re-set the stage, all during a Saturday panel? You want kick ass positive coverage, you do that.  That would be awesome.
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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2022, 01:54:07 PM »
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I kinda agree with everything said so far, both the positive and negative.  I’d say I’m a fan of Gunn, but not a fanboy.

There are a bunch of questions I’m dying to know:

1) How much of an impact will he have on already-filmed but not yet releases movies, like Flash & Aquaman 2. Will he be wanting reshoots to have those films fit more in line with his overarching vision?

2) Will there be any kind of reboot or reset? I know Flash is rumored to have such a reset already, but will he try to expand upon it or maybe scale it back?

3) Will he unshelve Batgirl? Or perhaps have it refilmed?

4) Will the non-DCEU films continue (aka Joker & The Batman)?

5) Will he try to poach MCU filmmakers & actors? If GotG3 is indeed the last with this crew, one or more of the characters may be killed off, so…

6) Will he save all the big reveals for Hall H SDCC 2023??
1) I don't think he'll have much/anything to do/say about anything already completed (SHAZAM! sequel, AQUAMAN sequel, Flash movie), though he will potentially have a hand it how they're marketed, maybe edited/reshoots down the stretch for films further at (I'm looking at you, FLASH). It was explicitly stated that the JOKER sequel will NOT fall under DC Studios purview since it's an "Elseworlds" story (and likely has more than enough cache for the creatives behind that one to demand autonomy)
2) will be interesting to find out; with FLASH seemingly opening up the multiverse possibilities they'll likely have freedom to do whatever they think works.  With the Superman cameo in the extra scene of BLACK ADAM, it feels like they're "getting the band back together" to some respect.  I'm legit VERY curious to see what they do myself, since they have a hit in Aquaman, Wonder Woman, a popular Superman actor from the Snyder movies, and now a popular Batman in Pattinson.
3) that may not be his call: that was a WB Discovery decision that (seemingly, depending on whom you listen to/read) was a pure tax type of cash-in/write-off that was part of Discovery's deal of buying WB (they had to find ways to nearly immediately shave several hundred million, if not a billion or so, dollars off of WB's debt)
4) JOKER sequel absolutely: it won Oscars and was fairly acclaimed and like I said, it's more of an unstoppable force at this point with casting already finalized and likely about to go into production.  THE BATMAN was a financial hit for WB and will certainly get its sequel: whether or not that is part of DC Studios (seemed to be) is a slight question, with how it may fit into the overall shared universe a more apt question that I'm curious about
5) I suspect Gunn will recruit any filmmakers/writers/producers/creatives that he thinks will work well with whatever studio system he has in mind.  Marvel Studios has a huge slate of already-announced films in various stages of production and I suspect many of them already of behind-the-scenes creatives attached to many of them.  For example, Destin Daniel Cretton, SHANG-CHI director, is already attached to a SHANG-CHI sequel as well as AVENGERS: KANG DYNASTY
6) I think Gunn knows how to hype his properties in Hall H, and it seems plausible he'll continue to do so provided WB Discovery lets him (ie finances it all).  WB did a fun job with BLACK ADAM in Hall H a few months ago, as did Gunn w/GotG vol 3 so that feels like a good match to me!  I'm excited for the future possibilities

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The last point above by You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login really makes me excited (kinda?) for Hall H next year...if they just run w/this and do something to help us all understand how they're going to re-set the stage, all during a Saturday panel? You want kick ass positive coverage, you do that.  That would be awesome.
I totally agree that has their plans solidify it would behoove WB/DC Studios to make a HUGE splash announcing their plans: be it SDCC Hall H or their own FanDome thing, after the last several years they're going to want/need to to something huge to get attention and hype their fans (as well as normal people, like my parents)

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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2022, 07:45:46 PM »
Since I'm apparently updating DC Studios info nowadays, here's a great twitter thread from Studio Head James Gunn (seriously: that is REALLY weird/incredibly cool to type out/say) where he expresses gratitude towards vocal "Ayer Cut of SUICIDE SQUAD" zealots, as well as expressing that
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"...all our initial focus is on the story going forward, hammering out the new DCU, & telling the Biggest Story Ever Told across multiple films, television shows, & animated projects."
That's a pretty bold proclamation, broad as it is at this moment, but something I'd think fans of DC comics should be really excited about.  I know we've heard both studio suits AND creatives talk about grand DC plans before but I have faith in Gunn's vision/ideas moreso than anyone in the past since Christopher Nolan (I was cautiously optimistic with Zach Snyder, as his stuff runs hot or cold with me, and while I neither loved nor hated what he did with the DCEU I _did_ appreciate he went with different ideas, I guess).
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Re: DCEU biggest studio debacle of 21st century?!
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2022, 04:47:02 AM »
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Since I'm apparently updating DC Studios info nowadays, here's a great twitter thread from Studio Head James Gunn (seriously: that is REALLY weird/incredibly cool to type out/say) where he expresses gratitude towards vocal "Ayer Cut of SUICIDE SQUAD" zealots, as well as expressing that That's a pretty bold proclamation, broad as it is at this moment, but something I'd think fans of DC comics should be really excited about.  I know we've heard both studio suits AND creatives talk about grand DC plans before but I have faith in Gunn's vision/ideas moreso than anyone in the past since Christopher Nolan (I was cautiously optimistic with Zach Snyder, as his stuff runs hot or cold with me, and while I neither loved nor hated what he did with the DCEU I _did_ appreciate he went with different ideas, I guess).
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Couple things I pulled out of that:
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...hammering out the new DCU...
This sounds like all things that came before are kinda poof...and almost reads clean-slate to me.  Sure there were some great films (most of the Batman ones) but my first take on this, right or wrong, was that he's got a vision, and it's got nothing to do w/what came prior. Maybe we'll start talking about DC films like Star Wars timeline (BBY/ABY) as BDCU and ADCU :D

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...across multiple films, television shows, & animated projects...
To me, this screams cohesion.  While the movie properties, tv and animation shows were, by design, separate, it'll be nice to see a broader and more cohesive story overall through their "new world".

I really do hope that JG knocks it out of the park...I'm not getting tired of the Marvel stuff, but man, DC needs a win here.  I for one will be at the front of the line when Gunn's stuff starts coming out.
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