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Title: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: perc2100 on June 04, 2020, 11:36:14 AM
It seems that WB is moving full steam ahead to be the first studio to release a tent pole blockbuster film mid-July in the middle of a pandemic that USA is in no way in control of (as of early June, with cases spiking thanks to Memorial Day weekend festivities: and look for them to spike again in 10-14 days after early June saw protests in ALL 50 states).  Advertising is ramping up, which is a clear sign WB has the cojones to be "first" and release their huge movie in theaters.  There are some smaller releases planed for earlier in July, but TENET is the industry's litmus test to see if 1) theaters can exist with social distancing guidelines and 2) movie fans are comfortable going to a theater to see a movie.

While all of us can likely agree that movie theaters on their best days are in no way "pristinely up-kept" (sticky floors and seats; trash and food under seats; bathrooms that may or may be breeding grounds for germs in regular non-pandemic times), I suspect moviegoers may be divided as to wether or not they're willing to risk an infection (as well as infecting loved ones & strangers) to see Christopher Nolan's latest.

From an industry standpoint, we already have the largest theater chain in the world (AMC) on the verge of bankruptcy (one early April no less: meaning their situation has not improved), saying there's doubt they'll ever be able to financially recover enough to reopen for business.  Add the fact that Box Office split is in no way advantageous to theaters for opening weeks, AND the fact that theaters will likely run at significantly diminished capacity: it's hard at this time to think there is financial viability for a struggling movie theater (rather corporate or independent) to justify staffing & operating expenses running at such diminished capacity.  Few theaters, to the best of my knowledge, have laid out their detailed plans for reopening w/social distancing so it's hard to get a feel for what that'd even look like.

And add this: every other studio is using TENET to see if _they_ can release their movie now too.  TENET moving forward to theaters paves the way for Disney to release MULAN July 24th, as well as some smaller films the rest of the month.  Remember, WONDER WOMAN 1984 is currently slated for a mid-August release (which feels like WB kinda hedging their bets to me).

*this would be where I might make a joke about the plausibility of THE NEW MUTANTS actually being released in theaters in August 2020, or if it will be either delayed for a billionth time and/or released via streaming*

On the plus side for the industry, Christopher Nolan is a brand to himself, one of the most profitable in film.  At this point there's no reason to even worry this film won't be at the least fascinatingly entertaining, if not a masterpiece.  So it's even more tempting than a superhero film, or 'pop corn' type of movie easy to skip in theaters.  I think if TENET doesn't make bank, it spells significant(ly more) massive issues for the film industry

So what say you: will you go see this, skip it, or wait-and-see?  In the spirit of the unknown, I made settings allowing for changes, so if you plan on going in early June, and by July 4th there's a huge spike in COVID-19 cases (or you become smitten with "Hamilton" on Disney+ and watch it on repeat for the duration of the month) you can change your mind down the road.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: lliving on June 04, 2020, 11:49:44 AM
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Me going to the theatre to see Tenet


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Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: TardisMom on June 04, 2020, 11:52:28 AM
I'm staying home except for store runs and one volunteer job.  Going to movies is probably what I miss most, and I love Christopher Nolan.  If I'm going to go out, a movie would be why I would do it.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: stl_ben on June 04, 2020, 12:05:15 PM
Only way Ill be going is if I head on a small road trip to go to the drive in theater.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: FBS on June 04, 2020, 12:24:59 PM
Tenet will only open in July if 80% of cinemas worldwide are open. Also, the majority of cinemas in New York and L.A. have to be open.
If that's not the case then Tenet will be pushed back to August in the WW84 slot.

As much as I want to see the film, and it would be cool having a Nolan film as first out of the gate, I'm under the impression it will be pushed.

Expect confirmation either way in the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: chocolateshake on June 04, 2020, 01:41:52 PM
I don't go out except for food and medicine.  So I won't go.  But I have seen a lot of movies in theaters where there were just a few people there.  Including a few where I was the only person there.  Now with online seat selection, it's possible to see how full the theater is.  If there are only 5 people......
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: perc2100 on June 13, 2020, 02:32:53 PM
* UPDATE *

ALL of you should now answer "NO" since TENET has been moved back a couple of weeks.  I still think there's a better-than-average chance this will be pushed back further, given how many states are spiking as of the first 3rd of June (including CA, which features some major markets for the film industry that are NEEDED for this film to be financially viable).

Immediately after WB announced TENET moving, they also announced WONDER WOMAN 1984 would move from August-October, along with other dates that were bumped. This caused a slew of other films to push back their release dates as well.  So far all but Disney's late-July MULAN have moved, with many industry insiders speculating Disney will move the film to Disney+.  Though with a $200 million budget, I have my doubts - that's a _LOT_ of money for Disney to just 'eat' by dumping it to free/subscription streaming: especially with "The Mandalorian" Season 2 still on track for an October release, and Marvel's "Falcon and the Winter Solider" and "WandaVision" finishing filming, it feels like Disney+ has several "must-see" properties dropping seasons in the near future.

At this rate, it doesn't seem implausible to have a discussion "are tentpole films a thing of the past for awhile?"  I mean, we won't have a vaccine for at least 12 months, and that's if scientists are miraculously 4x faster getting a vaccine developed and ready for circulation than the previous record of 4 years (for The Mumps).
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: lliving on June 26, 2020, 06:30:36 AM
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Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: FBS on November 05, 2020, 11:43:24 PM
Tenet hitting digital and physical on 15th December.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: lliving on November 10, 2020, 05:21:44 PM
Anyone actually seen it yet?
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: Miclpea on November 10, 2020, 06:22:26 PM
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Anyone actually seen it yet?
I have and I thoroughly enjoyed it.


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Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: FBS on November 12, 2020, 07:51:13 AM
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Anyone actually seen it yet?
Twice in a theatre.
Outstanding. Pure Nolan. A film that doesn't dumb down. Intelligent filmmaking that makes you lean in. Also, the inversion special effects are jaw dropping.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: Miclpea on November 12, 2020, 08:34:04 AM
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Twice in a theatre.
Outstanding. Pure Nolan. A film that doesn't dumb down. Intelligent filmmaking that makes you lean in. Also, the inversion special effects are jaw dropping.
I totally agree!


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Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: Old Man Grey on November 13, 2020, 08:54:40 AM
I disagree. Saw it in IMAX and the visuals and action were great. The story was very confusing and muddled. After a while I just sat back and enjoyed the action. "Inception" had a story you could follow. The lead actor was pretty bland too.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: lliving on November 19, 2020, 07:42:56 AM
I saw it at the drive-in. Not quite the IMAX experience(bugs and the faint smell of marijuana coming through my open car window). I wondered if a lot of people  had seen it since there wasn’t much mention of it here after the premiere. I enjoyed it, although I felt there were some inconsistencies with the main plot point which bothered me.  Won’t go into details to avoid being a spoiler. 
Pro tip for going to the drive-in:  take a battery powered boom box or FM radio.  My car radio shut downs after 20 minutes, requiring me to crank my car up every so often to avoid missing dialogue.


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Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: perc2100 on January 12, 2021, 08:30:04 AM
Finally caught up to TENET last night.  The film has only two types of scenes: 1)characters give exposition dumps 2)huge action set-pieces.  Sometimes it pulls a 'ROCKY IV' and has multiple exposition dumps in a row: like, a character will be in a meeting where another character will exposition dump and send the other character off to meet with another character who will do another exposition dump.  I don't think the film "story" (I use 'story' fairly loosely) is as confusing as it is non-existent.  TENET feels like Nolan had a crazy idea he just never figured out how to coherently communicate. 

That being said, I kinda like it!

John David Washington is a legit movie star.  I really liked him in BLACKKKLANSMAN (as did Nolan, which is how/why he was cast in TENET), but he kicks it up a few notches here and really shines.  Kenneth Branagh is also having fun as the bad guy.  The action set pieces are indeed off-the-hook impressively done: staging, effects craft, shooting, editing.  As much as I love THE DARK KNIGHT, some of the action is really edited/shot poorly (like the Batpod chase is almost a textbook example of poor editing/staging in the sense that it REALLY muddles film 'geography' and is fairly incoherent beyond "good guy chasing bad guy" base levels); Nolan has clearly learned a lot since those days a decade ago and TENET action feels like legit pique Nolan's talents.

TENET feels like Nolan expanding (broadly) on ideas he had in MEMENTO with a ginormous budget but less to say.  I truly believe he just didn't know how to effectively communicate his crazy story into a visual medium.  But for me, at least, it worked juuuuuust enough to not be pissed that I spend 2.5+ hours watching the film.  The forward/backward action stuff is a clever idea that's executed superbly, even if the whole inversion concept doesn't really make a ton of sense: at least the film makes sense within its own 'universe,' and I can respect that aspect.

Part of me feels like a far more interesting film would be the documentary of Nolan pitching the bug nuts crazy idea to WB and WB then immediately handing him a quarter of a billion dollars to shoot this insane idea!  I realize at this point Nolan is handed a blank check from WB to keep him happy (at least they did; they kinda took a bath on TENET mostly due to COVID, so I'll be curious to see if his next film is a bit more scaled back) because of all he's "given" WB: "A Nolan Film" is a genre unto itself nowadays, and I respect that for the most part.  Pulitzer Prize-winning film critique Roger Ebert liked to talk about films with "mumbo jumbo quotient," and it would've been fun to read what he had to say about TENET: a film Roger likely would've said had a "high mumbo jumbo quotient."  He too would go along with the silly and the insane as long as the movie entertained him, and I wonder if TENET would've crossed the line into 'too much' mumbo jumbo for him, or if he would've had fun with the spectacle and admired the craft (with the exception of Washington and Branagh I'm not sure any of the other acting is all that commendable - not bad, mind you, but more..."serviceable" than good).

TENET is a rare film that I don't know if I'd recommend it other than for sheer curiosity value.  I think this film is for a particular audience, and I don't know exactly who it is.  I suspect plenty of folks will be into the action and will just go along with the mumbo jumbo exposition dumps to get to the next amazing action scene.  I found the action well made, and was at least fascinated by the mumbo jumbo.  I don't think this is a film I feel the need to see again any time soon, but it was a ride I didn't regret.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: MickeyJack on January 12, 2021, 08:52:06 AM
I just watched it this weekend. I'm a huge Christopher Nolan fan. Not everyone has the patience, but whether I track with the whole film or not, there is always something that completely blows me away. Nolan could film paint drying, and I would watch it. I have to agree with you on every single point you made in your critique.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: perc2100 on January 12, 2021, 08:56:37 AM
One other aspect about TENET I truly enjoyed was Ludwig Göransson's score.  I really enjoy Göransson's composing in general; his "The Mandalorian" stuff perfect capture the western + samurai vibe within the SW universe well, and his BLACK PANTHER music is outstanding.  Here he gives Nolan's film a truly unique soundscape with his music: not exactly industrial-sounding, pretty percussive and articulate.  One thing I picked up on is that just like the film, the 'melodies' are written so that they work both forward & backwards melodically and structurally: I think it even has a slightly different modality forwards and backward - like, one 'direction' has a major key sound while the other a more 'minor' and darker sound.  It was most obvious to me during the big land-battle scene at the end, with the Red & Blue team attacking from both 'sides' of time (forward and inverted), though it was a concept that was on my mind pretty early on.  Göransson is a pretty outside-the-box thinking composer so I suspected he had some tricks up his sleeve!  Even if you don't pay attention in depth to music I think the music itself not only works really well with the film, but feels incredibly unique in a Nolan film.  Nolan typically uses Hans Zimmer, and in this case Zimmer had to pass because he was working on DUNE.  Göransson has a unique sound of his own, and the way he meshes his sound w/Nolan's visual style creates a really distinctive timbral experience that I really dug.  Ludwig Göransson is quickly (for me) becoming a musical voice that I'm seeking out and wanting to hear more of, and I'm glad he's had opportunities not only in the indie world (he was college roommates with director Ryan Coogler and has scored all of his films starting with the award-winning short Coogler made at USC, as well as FRUITVALE STATION), as well as the mainstream (TENET, BLACK PANTHER, "The Mandalorian," CREED, etc).  I dunno if he's a mainstream musical voice, but his stuff works so well with the films, and especially here in TENET
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: lliving on January 17, 2021, 06:28:20 AM
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Finally caught up to TENET last night.  The film has only two types of scenes: 1)characters give exposition dumps 2)huge action set-pieces.  Sometimes it pulls a 'ROCKY IV' and has multiple exposition dumps in a row: like, a character will be in a meeting where another character will exposition dump and send the other character off to meet with another character who will do another exposition dump.  I don't think the film "story" (I use 'story' fairly loosely) is as confusing as it is non-existent.  TENET feels like Nolan had a crazy idea he just never figured out how to coherently communicate. 

That being said, I kinda like it!

John David Washington is a legit movie star.  I really liked him in BLACKKKLANSMAN (as did Nolan, which is how/why he was cast in TENET), but he kicks it up a few notches here and really shines.  Kenneth Branagh is also having fun as the bad guy.  The action set pieces are indeed off-the-hook impressively done: staging, effects craft, shooting, editing.  As much as I love THE DARK KNIGHT, some of the action is really edited/shot poorly (like the Batpod chase is almost a textbook example of poor editing/staging in the sense that it REALLY muddles film 'geography' and is fairly incoherent beyond "good guy chasing bad guy" base levels); Nolan has clearly learned a lot since those days a decade ago and TENET action feels like legit pique Nolan's talents.

TENET feels like Nolan expanding (broadly) on ideas he had in MEMENTO with a ginormous budget but less to say.  I truly believe he just didn't know how to effectively communicate his crazy story into a visual medium.  But for me, at least, it worked juuuuuust enough to not be pissed that I spend 2.5+ hours watching the film.  The forward/backward action stuff is a clever idea that's executed superbly, even if the whole inversion concept doesn't really make a ton of sense: at least the film makes sense within its own 'universe,' and I can respect that aspect.

Part of me feels like a far more interesting film would be the documentary of Nolan pitching the bug nuts crazy idea to WB and WB then immediately handing him a quarter of a billion dollars to shoot this insane idea!  I realize at this point Nolan is handed a blank check from WB to keep him happy (at least they did; they kinda took a bath on TENET mostly due to COVID, so I'll be curious to see if his next film is a bit more scaled back) because of all he's "given" WB: "A Nolan Film" is a genre unto itself nowadays, and I respect that for the most part.  Pulitzer Prize-winning film critique Roger Ebert liked to talk about films with "mumbo jumbo quotient," and it would've been fun to read what he had to say about TENET: a film Roger likely would've said had a "high mumbo jumbo quotient."  He too would go along with the silly and the insane as long as the movie entertained him, and I wonder if TENET would've crossed the line into 'too much' mumbo jumbo for him, or if he would've had fun with the spectacle and admired the craft (with the exception of Washington and Branagh I'm not sure any of the other acting is all that commendable - not bad, mind you, but more..."serviceable" than good).

TENET is a rare film that I don't know if I'd recommend it other than for sheer curiosity value.  I think this film is for a particular audience, and I don't know exactly who it is.  I suspect plenty of folks will be into the action and will just go along with the mumbo jumbo exposition dumps to get to the next amazing action scene.  I found the action well made, and was at least fascinated by the mumbo jumbo.  I don't think this is a film I feel the need to see again any time soon, but it was a ride I didn't regret.
Always enjoy your movie insights, and have been looking forward to seeing your thoughts on TENET.  I enjoyed John David Washington in this role as well and thought some of criticism of his acting seemed more about Nolan.  Frankly, I’d love to see another spy thriller with Washington and Pattinson, filled w/ snarky quips back and forth. I struggled with understanding some of the “Mumbo Jumbo”, because at times the dialogue for me was hard to hear.  I chalked it up to FM quality of the sound at my local Drive-In, but have seen that complaint in other reviews.  This movie did give me an idea for cosplay at the next SDCC.  I am going to be “The Protagonist” and dramatically walk backwards everywhere while dressed in regular clothes(maybe I’ll add an oxygen mask, too)


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Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: perc2100 on January 17, 2021, 12:53:22 PM
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Always enjoy your movie insights, and have been looking forward to seeing your thoughts on TENET.  I enjoyed John David Washington in this role as well and thought some of criticism of his acting seemed more about Nolan.  Frankly, I’d love to see another spy thriller with Washington and Pattinson, filled w/ snarky quips back and forth. I struggled with understanding some of the “Mumbo Jumbo”, because at times the dialogue for me was hard to hear.  I chalked it up to FM quality of the sound at my local Drive-In, but have seen that complaint in other reviews.  This movie did give me an idea for cosplay at the next SDCC.  I am going to be “The Protagonist” and dramatically walk backwards everywhere while dressed in regular clothes(maybe I’ll add an oxygen mask, too)


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If there were _any_ doubts about John David Washington after his breakout from BLACKKKLANSMAN, they ended with his performance in TENET.  He is every bit the movie star (and his own man/actor) as his father, and DAMN that's really exciting to me!  I agree, I'd love to see buddy-spy thriller with Washington & Pattinson!  Pattinson is another actor who feels incredibly underrated, even though his body of works, especially post-Twilight, are filled with interesting roles/movies/directors.

Looking forward to "The Protagonist" cosplay (and thanks for the warning - hopefully I'll remember by next Comic-Con so I can be on guard to dodge of your way as your come backwards-whooshing in my direction  :P )
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: NCDS on January 17, 2021, 03:20:07 PM
Boring
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: Chris on May 03, 2021, 02:25:50 PM
Finally saw it.  Well acted, shot, and good music, but I have no idea what was going on.  I don't mind being challenged and having to think through a movie, but this one gave me brain freeze like 12 Icees through a beer bong headache.

Christopher Nolan is a great director, but I wish he would lay off the time warping shenanigans.

On a positive note, I thought Robert Pattinson was actually decent.  Never thought I would say that.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: TardisMom on May 03, 2021, 02:34:05 PM
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Finally saw it.  Well acted, shot, and good music, but I have no idea what was going on.  I don't mind being challenged and having to think through a movie, but this one gave me brain freeze like 12 Icees through a beer bong headache.

Christopher Nolan is a great director, but I wish he would lay off the time warping shenanigans.

On a positive note, I thought Robert Pattinson was actually decent.  Never thought I would say that.

Usually when I don't understand a movie or tv show I'll go online and google and try to figure out what I'm missing.  With Tenet it wasn't possible.  No one got it.  And agreed, Pattinson was good.  All the acting was good, it was the story that was lacking.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: Chris on May 03, 2021, 03:07:41 PM
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Usually when I don't understand a movie or tv show I'll go online and google and try to figure out what I'm missing.  With Tenet it wasn't possible.  No one got it.  And agreed, Pattinson was good.  All the acting was good, it was the story that was lacking.

Yeah, I may need to watch something incredibly straightforward like Tokyo Drift to get my brain back to equilibrium.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: perc2100 on May 03, 2021, 07:06:26 PM
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Finally saw it.  Well acted, shot, and good music, but I have no idea what was going on.  I don't mind being challenged and having to think through a movie, but this one gave me brain freeze like 12 Icees through a beer bong headache.

Christopher Nolan is a great director, but I wish he would lay off the time warping shenanigans.

On a positive note, I thought Robert Pattinson was actually decent.  Never thought I would say that.
I was glad to at least be able to watch this film at home w/the benefits of closed captioning.  While I do have a bit of hearing loss, it was apparent with hearing aids + good headphones that the sound mix of TENET is pretty awful, at least as far as dialogue is concerned.  This was definitely a film where I was more appreciative of the craft vs getting into the story.  It didn't help that Nolan HAD to put face masks over actors' faces in order to obfuscate who's who to make the end twist a surprise for the audience; that made the action scenes pretty muddled, especially the huge climax, trying to figure out who's-who.
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Post by: Chris on May 03, 2021, 08:48:03 PM
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I was glad to at least be able to watch this film at home w/the benefits of closed captioning.  While I do have a bit of hearing loss, it was apparent with hearing aids + good headphones that the sound mix of TENET is pretty awful, at least as far as dialogue is concerned.  This was definitely a film where I was more appreciative of the craft vs getting into the story.  It didn't help that Nolan HAD to put face masks over actors' faces in order to obfuscate who's who to make the end twist a surprise for the audience; that made the action scenes pretty muddled, especially the huge climax, trying to figure out who's-who.

Yeah, the sound mix didn't help with the complexity of the plot.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: Chris on May 03, 2021, 09:23:42 PM
Forgot to mention that I thought that the lead sounded like Denzel at times.  Then I read that he was Denzel's son.

I felt a bit silly at that point.
Title: Re: TENET - Nolan's latest plowing ahead to open in theaters
Post by: perc2100 on May 04, 2021, 10:13:02 AM
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Forgot to mention that I thought that the lead sounded like Denzel at times.  Then I read that he was Denzel's son.

I felt a bit silly at that point.
Yeah he has some of the same inflections in his voice as his dad.  There are times in his films where I'm totally into him as his own actor, and I got lost in his characterizations; and other times where I'm like "riiiiight: Denzel's kid!"  :P