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Title: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: f22raptor on February 16, 2020, 10:39:59 AM
Read an article on CNN.com about the virus lingering around until early next year and Facebook cancelling an upcoming 5000 attendee marketing conference in San Francisco raised my concern about SDCC getting cancelled or scaled back. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on February 16, 2020, 11:07:14 AM
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 16, 2020, 01:09:51 PM
Nah. Even with a few convention cancellations, I don't feel that SDCC or WC will be cancelled.

Maybe they will take precautions like some other conventions, like not allowing anyone from China or taking temps of everyone.

Even though the coronavirus has been located here in San Diego, it was contained.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on February 16, 2020, 01:13:00 PM
Unless it is apocalyptic-scale, SDCC 2020 will go as scheduled and everything will be just fine. Personally, I'm more worried about the flu than the coronavirus here in the US, as of this writing.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 16, 2020, 03:12:13 PM
from what i have been able to gather, while coronavirus may be super contagious, it's not particularly deadly.
i think the issue is primarily that infected folks are contagious before they show symptions
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Car_Low on February 16, 2020, 03:53:11 PM
The normal flu is more deadly than the coronavirus. Unless you're in poor health already or have an infant a normal person shouldn't really be worried about it.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hipchick on February 16, 2020, 09:57:14 PM
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from what i have been able to gather, while coronavirus may be super contagious, it's not particularly deadly.
i think the issue is primarily that infected folks are contagious before they show symptions

This. I think the two week incubation period is also a big factor here so we are probably seeing a lot of cases where ppl were affected very early on.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on February 17, 2020, 09:56:31 AM
It's the flu. Flu season ends around May. It will all be over well before SDCC begins.

Coincidentally, my husband and I had booked a 2021 trip to China about a week before Coronavirus was all over the news. The organizers already cancelled the 2020 trip. But we're fairly confident that Coronavirus will run its course and be finished long before our trip next year. In fact, we might be 'safer', because these mutated viruses seem to come no more frequently than every decade.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on February 17, 2020, 04:22:10 PM
I think if the coronavirus is still a big epidemic (or even bigger) in China by July, the US might start banning flights from China before that happens. So I think we'll generally be safe. Always consistently wash your hands of course to help decrease your risk and don't touch your nose/eyes. If someone sitting close to you in panels is clearly sick and is sneezing/coughing, I would probably switch seats just in case.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on February 17, 2020, 07:36:49 PM
Unless there's a drastic change, I expect SDCC to post a policy similar to what Reed Exhibitions did last week for C2E2.

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Generally, coronavirus can cause more severe symptoms in people with weakened immune systems, older people, and those with long-term conditions like diabetes, cancer and chronic lung disease.

Wuhan coronavirus has been termed “novel” because it is a new strain of coronavirus first identified in Wuhan City, China.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 17, 2020, 09:03:29 PM
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I think if the coronavirus is still a big epidemic (or even bigger) in China by July, the US might start banning flights from China before that happens. So I think we'll generally be safe. Always consistently wash your hands of course to help decrease your risk and don't touch your nose/eyes. If someone sitting close to you in panels is clearly sick and is sneezing/coughing, I would probably switch seats just in case.

That already happened 2 weeks ago.  The major US airlines stopped direct flights between China and the US.  The remaining flights are being diverted to 5 airports for enhanced screening.  I think screening does more good than stopping the direct flights.  Since nothing stops someone from flying to a third country from China and then onto the US from there.  That's not a direct flight and thus not stopped or diverted.

As for trying to keep from catching anything, people do that every year to keep from getting conflu.  Quite often, people fail.  Someone doesn't have to be sneezing or coughing to pass something to you.  Just breathing does that.  It's especially a problem with novel corona since unlike many other respiratory illnesses, it's contagious before any symptoms appear.

I don't think they will cancel comic-con because that should fall right into the lull between the two outbreak waves.  I think the big impact will be on international attendees.  If the current rules are still in effect, some may not be able to get into the US.

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It's the flu. Flu season ends around May. It will all be over well before SDCC begins.

Coincidentally, my husband and I had booked a 2021 trip to China about a week before Coronavirus was all over the news. The organizers already cancelled the 2020 trip. But we're fairly confident that Coronavirus will run its course and be finished long before our trip next year. In fact, we might be 'safer', because these mutated viruses seem to come no more frequently than every decade.

It seems to be pretty much another disease in the mold of the flu.  It's not unusually deadly or infectious.  Maybe slightly worse than the flu in both regards.  The reason people are taking it so seriously is that over 500,000 people die from the flu every year.  If we had the chance to stamped that out when it first happened, we would have.  So that's why China is taking it so seriously.  It's the chance to stamp out something that could kill half a million people every year if we grow to accept it like the flu.  People tend to think of the flu as just a bad cold.  The reality is that the flu is a killer.  We are just use to it.  Like we are used to even more people dying in car accidents every year.

There are more outbreaks than once a decade.  Offhand in the 10 years or so there was SARS, MERS and H1N1.  There were probably more that just didn't break out sufficiently to make the news.  I've gotten one of those mysterious Chinese flus while wandering in the mountains in Western China.  It completely wiped me out for a couple of weeks.  Other than being constantly short of breath, I didn't have any other respiratory symptoms.  No coughing or sneezing.  Just a very high fever but with no sweating at all.  I thought it might be malaria but the hospital confirmed it wasn't.  Viruses tend to have small outbreaks years before a big one hits.  Not every virus has a big outbreak.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: justboogie on February 19, 2020, 09:39:13 AM
During the con please please please wash wash wash your hands!!!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chaosdreamer on February 20, 2020, 03:03:53 PM
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During the con please please please wash wash wash your hands!!!

Not just during the Con but yes, please be especially mindful of what you're touching and whether you've washed your hands during events like SDCC!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on February 21, 2020, 03:49:17 PM
I don't see them cancelling SDCC (or any other North American comic conventions, for that matter). Most of the events being cancelled are global and/or tech events...many tech companies have a big presence in China and a lack of Chinese presence at these conferences will be felt. But comic cons are largely local events, even SDCC (despite the "I" standing for "International.") Nearly all the vendors are domestic, and the attendees are still hyper-local.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on February 25, 2020, 12:22:17 AM
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That already happened 2 weeks ago.  The major US airlines stopped direct flights between China and the US.  The remaining flights are being diverted to 5 airports for enhanced screening.  I think screening does more good than stopping the direct flights.  Since nothing stops someone from flying to a third country from China and then onto the US from there.  That's not a direct flight and thus not stopped or diverted.

I was reading on reddit that not all airports are doing screenings, even the Taiwanese airport in Taipei. Kind of scary. We were thinking of going to Europe this year for vacation but after reading about how there's a big increase in coronavirus cases in Italy of all places, I guess we should delay our plans for next year.

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I don't see them cancelling SDCC (or any other North American comic conventions, for that matter). Most of the events being cancelled are global and/or tech events...many tech companies have a big presence in China and a lack of Chinese presence at these conferences will be felt. But comic cons are largely local events, even SDCC (despite the "I" standing for "International.") Nearly all the vendors are domestic, and the attendees are still hyper-local.

I don't worry about SDCC since it's still several months down the line but I am sort of concerned about the upcoming Wondercon. There were a bunch of big tech conferences scheduled at the Moscone Center in San Francisco this month that were cancelled, including one for Facebook. I don't get the impression Facebook is used in China so I'm not sure why the lack of Chinese presence would matter. Is there less a risk of catching the virus in Anaheim vs San Francisco?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 25, 2020, 04:53:42 AM
I think there were other issues involving the cancellation of the FB gathering.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 25, 2020, 12:53:46 PM
I'm starting to think that comic-con could get cancel.  It may not be up to CCI.  I don't think it's likely but it's definitely a possibility.  It's because of Italy.  With just 150 cases Northern Italy has gone into lockdown.  Towns have been sealed off and they canceled Milan Fashion week.  That's a big deal.

Today, the CDC is starting to prepare the US to expect a breakout here.  It's like we've gone from being complacent about it last week to crisis mode this week.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on February 25, 2020, 01:49:24 PM
SDCC is going to have to refund an awful lot of money if they do cancel. But anything else you may have booked will most likely not be refunded.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 25, 2020, 03:24:19 PM
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  Towns have been sealed off and they canceled Milan Fashion week.  That's a big deal.


wow, Milan fashion week cancelled. That's surprising

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SDCC is going to have to refund an awful lot of money if they do cancel. But anything else you may have booked will most likely not be refunded.
i have to think Southwest will be accomidating, given how they've been with waving the rebooking fee's due to the Boeing plane bad design. after all the airlines won't be able to staff the planes either.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on February 25, 2020, 03:26:53 PM
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Is there less a risk of catching the virus in Anaheim vs San Francisco?
As of today's date, there are no differences between the two locations.


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I'm starting to think that comic-con could get cancel.  It may not be up to CCI.  I don't think it's likely but it's definitely a possibility.  It's because of Italy.  With just 150 cases Northern Italy has gone into lockdown.  Towns have been sealed off and they canceled Milan Fashion week.  That's a big deal.

Today, the CDC is starting to prepare the US to expect a breakout here.  It's like we've gone from being complacent about it last week to crisis mode this week.
If things do worsen, maybe; GDC folks haven't canceled their show even though many companies keep backing out.

Nonetheless, no one should be surprised to see if a guest or studio decides to skip Comic-Con because of COVID-19. Likewise, with WonderCon.

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wow, Milan fashion week canceled. That's surprising

COVID-19 is in Italy, so I'm not surprised that it got canceled. The area of the outbreak is near Milan.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hipchick on February 25, 2020, 03:51:02 PM
There is possibility that the Olympics could get cancelled now too. It's not just relegated to tech.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-could-leave-only-3-months-decide-fate-tokyo-olympics-n1142401
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on February 25, 2020, 04:27:34 PM
If they cancel SDCC for 2020 - they should allow all the paid attendees, pro, and pro-guests that have tickets for 2020 to attend in 2021 and not hold new registrations for 2021 and start up the reg systems again in 2022. This would also mean that those Pros that would normally have to reapply for 2021 would have a one-year extension to 2021 and then reapply for 2022
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 25, 2020, 05:00:42 PM
Italy has a community outbreak. Because we haven't (yet) that's good. I have seen Sony and a few other companies pull out of the gamer developer con in San Francisco, but it's still happening.

CDC did say to prepare for a severe disruption in our lives. I think people with kids will be greatly impacted. What will you do when your children can't go to daycare or schools? Telecommuting is going to become quite popular.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on February 25, 2020, 07:33:48 PM
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There is possibility that the Olympics could get cancelled now too. It's not just relegated to tech.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-could-leave-only-3-months-decide-fate-tokyo-olympics-n1142401

Tech and/or global events. The Olympics is a global event if there ever was one.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on February 26, 2020, 06:32:35 AM
If SDCC is being canceled it probably means we have bigger things to worry about.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on February 26, 2020, 06:37:59 AM
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If SDCC is being canceled it probably means we have bigger things to worry about.
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 26, 2020, 06:44:53 AM
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If SDCC is being canceled it probably means we have bigger things to worry about.

the thing i don't get about this flu  is that while it's very contagious, it's not particularly deadly. I don't want to appear unsympathetic but most everyone has had the flu and yes it sucks big time!  However the current non-c-14 flu has a much higher death rate then the c-14.

I don't really understand why everyone is freaking out.  My only hope is that this outbreak reinforces the idea that if a person feels sick they should stay home & not 'push through it' as is the norm in our society.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on February 26, 2020, 07:35:54 AM
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the thing i don't get about this flu  is that while it's very contagious, it's not particularly deadly. I don't want to appear unsympathetic but most everyone has had the flu and yes it sucks big time!  However the current non-c-14 flu has a much higher death rate then the c-14.

I don't really understand why everyone is freaking out.  My only hope is that this outbreak reinforces the idea that if a person feels sick they should stay home & not 'push through it' as is the norm in our society.

There are a variety of factors one being that we have vaccinations for a lot of the strains of flu, this one we do not.  Another is it is much easier to keep people alive when you have them coming into the hospitals in smaller numbers.  So the mortality rate goes up.  Also if the Hospitals are overloaded people with other issues may not be getting the timely help they need.

I agree though it's time our society started realizing we are not robots and they need to allow for the human factor!  People at my work come in because we aren't properly staffed and they don't want to lose PTO (of which they give very little of).  I was actually made fun of for working from home because I had the "sniffles"

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on February 26, 2020, 08:08:53 AM
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the thing i don't get about this flu  is that while it's very contagious, it's not particularly deadly. I don't want to appear unsympathetic but most everyone has had the flu and yes it sucks big time!  However the current non-c-14 flu has a much higher death rate then the c-14.

I don't really understand why everyone is freaking out.  My only hope is that this outbreak reinforces the idea that if a person feels sick they should stay home & not 'push through it' as is the norm in our society.

I think the flu is pretty deadly. The thing is, they don't know that much about coronavirus and they don't really want to wait to know. If it is as deadly as the flu, that means double the number of dead people per year. Do we really want that? It's easy to say that only the weak and infirmed are killed, but those weak and infirmed might be grandma or the baby; they are people you know.

I'm not saying we should freak out, but we should take it seriously.

P.S. I think the reason people underestimate the severity of the flu is because they confuse it with colds. If you have "the sniffles," chances are, it is not the flu. The way one physician told me he knew the difference: people with the flu just want to roll over in bed and die. That is, of course, unless you have a mild case because you've been vaccinated. I had full blown flu once and never want to get it again. I've ben vaccinated every year ever since.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 26, 2020, 09:36:25 AM
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There are a variety of factors one being that we have vaccinations for a lot of the strains of flu, this one we do not.  Another is it is much easier to keep people alive when you have them coming into the hospitals in smaller numbers.  So the mortality rate goes up.  Also if the Hospitals are overloaded people with other issues may not be getting the timely help they need.
good points
unfortunately this year the flu shot was not effective to the strain of virus that's going around. according to the heath professionals i spoke to - it's been a particularly deadly year for the 'normal flu'

The sudden and intense impact on the health system is a factor i had not considered tho.

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I think the flu is pretty deadly. The thing is, they don't know that much about coronavirus and they don't really want to wait to know. If it is as deadly as the flu, that means double the number of dead people per year. Do we really want that? It's easy to say that only the weak and infirmed are killed, but those weak and infirmed might be grandma or the baby; they are people you know.

I'm not saying we should freak out, but we should take it seriously.

I am not callous to the impact of the flu and yes, i know the difference between the flu & a cold.

I am simply saying the current strain of the flu that's is/was going around this winter was NOT covered by the flu vaccine AND is particularly deadly, way more so then the C-14. the cdc says there has been between 16,000 – 41,000
flu deaths this season. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on February 26, 2020, 11:05:21 AM
I think the bigger worry would potentially be for international travelers.  For example, a friend in our line-up/badge-buying group lives in Guam and they were worried about potentially flying from Guam-Japan-CA getting stuck in quarantine because of Japan; they're now thinking about taking the more expensive flight of Guam-Hawaii-CA to hopefully avoid the quarantine.

I personally wasn't concerned at all until 1) the CDC warning yesterday and 2) the Olympic Committee talking about canceling the Olympics if the virus isn't better contained by the end of May.  But I think the bigger issues will be the quarantine factor for international attendees, and the potential limitations for exclusives.  I think it was the Emerald City Comic-Con that had to tell attendees that one big exclusive company (maybe Figpin?) wouldn't have stock on site because of production shut-down in China, and would instead sell exclusives online and ship them at a later date.  I honestly didn't pay a ton of attention to that situation since 1) I don't collect that and 2) I wasn't going to the Con so it didn't really concern me.  But I could see that potentially being an issue.  I think the virus is more going to screw up industries more than events and making things difficult for retail people especially.
 
I honestly don't know that stats on the SDCCI attendees, so I don't know the percentage of international attendees that may be impacted; I suspect it's low enough that no one on a National level would want to shut it down, and CCI would likely only cancel if there was a historically epic development for the disease that has a 2% fatality rate (for comparison, SARS has a 0-50%+ fatality; H1N1/Swine Flue has a 20% rate; H5N1/avian influenza has about a 60% mortality rate)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on February 26, 2020, 11:37:32 AM
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on February 26, 2020, 12:22:37 PM
Jokes aside here is a more serious read about the impact....
https://tvline.com/2020/02/26/comic-con-coronavirus-san-diego-2020-status/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on February 26, 2020, 12:36:27 PM
Thanks for posting that, Alf. It's interesting because they actually spoke with people at CCI and people at the Hollywood studios. It makes sense that they are monitoring the situation. I still think that it's overkill to cancel SDCC (given how things are right now) but agree that if there are significant changes in risk that things could be different.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rickythump on February 26, 2020, 01:27:15 PM
We are fast approaching con and festival season, C2E2, ECCC, Ultra Music Festival, Coachella all just around the corner... I imagine we'll have a good idea of the trajectory of the situation before the Hotel Sale in April even takes place.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 26, 2020, 01:42:58 PM
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... historically epic development for the disease that has a 2% fatality rate (for comparison, SARS has a 0-50%+ fatality; H1N1/Swine Flue has a 20% rate; H5N1/avian influenza has about a 60% mortality rate)

thx for the stats on the previous waves of flu.
It also bares saying, the corona virus could mutate into a deadlier strain but there isn't much of a reason for it to mutate. there isn't an advantage to killing the host.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 26, 2020, 02:38:57 PM
yeah yeah yeah double post...   :o

my mom just posted this on my time line because yeah, did i say i come from a apocalyptic prepared family
 

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Nima Moghaddas Morgan
2 hrs ·
HOW TO RECOGNISE CORONAVIRUS:
"If you have a runny nose and sputum when you have a cold, it cannot be from coronavirus, because coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough without runny nose.

"COVID-19 virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed at a temperature of 26-27 degrees. Therefore, drink more hot water. You can tell your friends and relatives to drink more hot water/tea/coffee to prevent it.

ABOUT THE COVID-19 VIRUS:
"1. It is pretty large in size (cell is about 400-500nm diameter), so any normal mask (not just the N95 feature) should be able to filter it out. However, when someone who's infected sneezes in front of you, it will take a great 3 meters (about 10 feet) before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

"2. When the virus drops on metal surface, it will live for at least 12 hours. So remember if you come in contact with any metal surface, wash your hands with soap thoroughly.

"3. The virus can remain active on fabric for 6-12 hours. Normal laundry detergent should kill the virus. For winter clothing that does not require daily washing, you can put it out under the sun to kill the virus.

SYMPTOMS OF PNEUMONIA CAUSED BY COVID-19:
"1. It will first infect the throat, so the throat will have the dry sore throat feeling which will last for 3 to 4 days

"2. Then the virus will blend into the nasal fluid and drips into the trachea and enter the lungs, causing pneumonia. This process will take 5 to 6 days.

"3. With pneumonia, comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You will feel like you are drowning in water. It's important to go seek immediate medical attention if you feel like this.

ABOUT PREVENTION:
"1. The most common way of getting infected is by touching things in public, so you must wash your hands frequently. The virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 mins, but a lot can happen in those 5-10 mins (you can rub your eyes or touch your nose unwittingly).

"2. Aside from washing your hands frequently, you can gargle with Betadine Sore Throat Gargle to eliminate or minimize the germs while they are still in your throat (before dripping down to your lungs)."

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: angoradebs on February 26, 2020, 03:41:24 PM
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I honestly don't know that stats on the SDCCI attendees, so I don't know the percentage of international attendees that may be impacted; I suspect it's low enough that no one on a National level would want to shut it down, and CCI would likely only cancel if there was a historically epic development for the disease that has a 2% fatality rate (for comparison, SARS has a 0-50%+ fatality; H1N1/Swine Flue has a 20% rate; H5N1/avian influenza has about a 60% mortality rate)

I think you're confusing morbidity rate (what percentage of a population gets the disease) with the fatality rate (what percentage of people who have the disease die from it). H1N1 had about a 20% morbidity rate in the 2009 pandemic, but it certainly didn't kill 20% of the people who contracted it. In the US, about 59million people caught H1N1, but only 12,000 people died.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 26, 2020, 05:44:38 PM
Writers and artists are saying they are excited to meet everyone, but please understand there will be no handshakes, fist bumps, or hugs. Personal boundaries will be enforced. And it seems everyone is cool with it. Whew!

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on February 26, 2020, 07:40:13 PM
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thx for the stats on the previous waves of flu.
It also bares saying, the corona virus could mutate into a deadlier strain but there isn't much of a reason for it to mutate. there isn't an advantage to killing the host.

I don't think viruses work that way. All these viral mutations are just random; it's just bad luck the coronavirus mutated from a strain that infects particular animals only to one that could infect humans too. Viruses don't decide to do anything. These easily mutated viruses have unstable structures that lead to multiple mutations.

I don't think this particular virus has necessarily a super high fatality rate. I've seen articles on reddit that seem to calculate a 2-3% fatality rate which isn't that much higher than regular flu strains. I think what's particularly unusual about this virus is its super long incubation time. Originally it was said that they were seeing a 14 day incubation period but now they seem to think it may be up to 27 days! Kind of frightening to think about. As usual the elderly/immunocompromised are the ones most at risk for fatalities. Children are normally more susceptible too but oddly enough there hasn't been reports that young children or babies have been infected so far. I've been following the reports of the few infected people in California. So far, everyone infected 2-4 weeks ago have healed. Let's hope it won't be a pandemic after all.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on February 27, 2020, 06:36:04 AM
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good points
unfortunately this year the flu shot was not effective to the strain of virus that's going around. according to the heath professionals i spoke to - it's been a particularly deadly year for the 'normal flu'


It went through our office a few weeks back and took out a lot of staff for a week and when they came back they still didn't look good.  (knock on wood missed me). 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on February 27, 2020, 08:17:03 AM
Right now, coronavirus is new. No one wants to be the first to catch it. Everything is shutting down and whole cities are getting quarantined. Once this becomes a pandemic or goes away, it will be business as usual, except for anyone who's sick. The only way that won't happen is if people die left and right like what happened with ebola. This does not appear to be like ebola. People are surviving. As long as it looks like we have a good chance, people will be numb to the risk.--just like driving cars or getting the flu.

Sooo, maybe SDCC could get canceled this year, but it won't be a problem next year no matter what the global status of the infection. Stocks will climb back up unless something else pushes them down. That is my prediction.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RustyPonds on February 27, 2020, 09:04:08 AM
I'm curious to see what impact it will have on SXSW in a few weeks when I go up there.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: debster on February 27, 2020, 09:35:21 AM
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I'm curious to see what impact it will have on SXSW in a few weeks when I go up there.

Please let us know! And have fun!  :)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on February 27, 2020, 09:55:51 AM
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Right now, coronavirus is new. No one wants to be the first to catch it. Everything is shutting down and whole cities are getting quarantined. Once this becomes a pandemic or goes away, it will be business as usual, except for anyone who's sick. The only way that won't happen is if people die left and right like what happened with ebola. This does not appear to be like ebola. People are surviving. As long as it looks like we have a good chance, people will be numb to the risk.--just like driving cars or getting the flu.

Sooo, maybe SDCC could get canceled this year, but it won't be a problem next year no matter what the global status of the infection. Stocks will climb back up unless something else pushes them down. That is my prediction.

Puppydamus?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on February 27, 2020, 01:53:20 PM
A more general article abut cons and coronavirus... specifically C2E2 and ECCC, both in the next couple of weeks.

https://www.comicsbeat.com/coronavirus-concerns-hit-con-season/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chachime45 on February 27, 2020, 04:09:40 PM
That article says there are more than 80,000 reported cases with more than 3,000 related deaths. Who knows what the real numbers are, but that sounds pretty scary for SDCC.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 27, 2020, 04:18:49 PM
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I honestly don't know that stats on the SDCCI attendees, so I don't know the percentage of international attendees that may be impacted; I suspect it's low enough that no one on a National level would want to shut it down, and CCI would likely only cancel if there was a historically epic development for the disease that has a 2% fatality rate (for comparison, SARS has a 0-50%+ fatality; H1N1/Swine Flue has a 20% rate; H5N1/avian influenza has about a 60% mortality rate)

The key is whether there's community transmission.  That's why Italy went into lock down even though there were only 150 cases at the time.  The first case of community transmission in the US is in California.  That's why the CDC had that news conference to prepare people for a outbreak in the US.  That's why they told us to stockpile 2 weeks worth of food and water.  The food I get.  If it's so bad that the water gets turned off, I think we'll have other things to worry about.

It really doesn't matter that the mortality is 2% or even a 10th that.  Since the seasonal flu is that low and still kills over half a million people a year.  By all reports, 80% of people with covid have symptoms so light that they might not even know they are sick.  The reason for this level of response is that it's the opportunity to stop something that could kill half a million people a year forever.

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That article says there are more than 80,000 reported cases with more than 3,000 related deaths. Who knows what the real numbers are, but that sounds pretty scary for SDCC.

I expect the actual number of people that have it or several times that 80,000 since the symptoms for most people are light to the point that many don't even know they have it.  Which is good since that means the mortality rate is actually much lower.

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thx for the stats on the previous waves of flu.
It also bares saying, the corona virus could mutate into a deadlier strain but there isn't much of a reason for it to mutate. there isn't an advantage to killing the host.

There is a recent development with covid.  Some people that got it, got better and were cleared, now have it again.  So the worry is that it's biphasic.  Or it can lay dormant and can express itself whenever.  That may explain why there are reports of a longer than 14 day incubation period or why so many people show no symptoms.  It can be that it hasn't expressed yet.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 27, 2020, 05:52:48 PM
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I don't think viruses work that way. All these viral mutations are just random; it's just bad luck the coronavirus mutated from a strain that infects particular animals only to one that could infect humans too. Viruses don't decide to do anything. These easily mutated viruses have unstable structures that lead to multiple mutations.

Mutations are random however, if a mutation helps the organism, in this case a virus, survive &/or reproduce then it is 'selected for'. IOW, a mutation that increased the life cycle or propagation rate, goes on to have lots of offspring & therefor that mutation becomes more prominent.

you are correct that i used the short cut way of talking about the theory of evolution & mutations. However the statement stands,
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It also bares saying, the corona virus could mutate into a deadlier strain but there isn't much of a reason for it to mutate. there isn't an advantage to killing the host.

for example, there is a suggestion that the virus doesn't survive in warm 27 degrees C (82 F) temperatures. This would enable greater effective countermeasures. However if a strain mutated that survived higher temp's, it would not die as easily, live a longer life and propagate more.

interesting interview on the pbs news hour tonight
high reproductive number -- 1 person infects 4 people

2% or a 1 in 50 mortality rate seems to be holding. seasonal flu kills between 0.1 - 0.2 ( think this goes to angoradebs's point of confusing morbidity with fatality) 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on February 27, 2020, 06:04:35 PM
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thx for the stats on the previous waves of flu.
It also bares saying, the corona virus could mutate into a deadlier strain but there isn't much of a reason for it to mutate. there isn't an advantage to killing the host.

Any virus could mutate into a deadlier strain. If I worried about that, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing how many viruses are out there presently mutating.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 27, 2020, 06:15:53 PM
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Any virus could mutate into a deadlier strain. If I worried about that, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night knowing how many viruses are out there presently mutating.
agreed! it's unlikely

all tho Chocolateshakes observation about folks who have the virus, are contagious & have no symptoms is scary!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 27, 2020, 07:17:14 PM
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for example, there is a suggestion that the virus doesn't survive in warm 27 degrees C (82 F) temperatures. This would enable greater effective countermeasures. However if a strain mutated that survived higher temp's, it would not die as easily, live a longer life and propagate more.

I would think that covid has no problems with temps higher than 82F.  Since it replicates very well at 98.6F, human body temperature.  Many viruses do have a tight range in which they are viable.  Generally that range is the range of the organism they evolved to infect.

I think the reasoning that come May that the virus will wane because it's warmer is ill-founded.  Viruses like the flu and the cold, another corona virus, survive quite well in warm weather.  Covid is doing just fine in Singapore where it is 85F.  The reason that colds and flus are seasonal is more a function that people tend to gather more indoors during the winter months.  The cold whether itself tends to make people's noses run and thus they tend to put their hands on their faces more.  They then wipe mucus on their hands, transfer that mucus to another person through a handshake who then wipes that infected mucus on their nose.  So it's not that the virus is effected by the outdoor weather, all it cares about is the environment inside the host, it's how the hosts behaves in cold versus warm weather.

Covid might have a wider temperature range where it is viable since it's multi-species.  There's a report that a dog has caught covid in Hong Kong.  A dog's temperature is 101F.  Generally, a virus that replicates at 98.6F will not survive at 101F.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 27, 2020, 07:24:54 PM
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I would think that covid has no problems with temps higher than 82F.  Since it replicates very well at 98.6F, human body temperature.  Many viruses do have a tight range in which they are viable.  Generally that range is the range of the organism they evolved to infect.

I think the reasoning that come May that the virus will wane because it's warmer is ill-founded.  Viruses like the flu and the cold, another corona virus, survive quite well in warm weather.  Covid is doing just fine in Singapore where it is 85F.  The reason that colds and flus are seasonal is more a function that people tend to gather more indoors during the winter months.  The cold whether itself tends to make people's noses run and thus they tend to put their hands on their faces more.  They then wipe mucus on their hands, transfer that mucus to another person through a handshake who then wipes that infected mucus on their nose.  So it's not that the virus is effected by the outdoor weather, all it cares about is the environment inside the host, it's how the hosts behaves in cold versus warm weather.

Covid might have a wider temperature range where it is viable since it's multi-species.  There's a report that a dog has caught covid in Hong Kong.  A dog's temperature is 101F.  Generally, a virus that replicates at 98.6F will not survive at 101F.

that was primarily an example of how evolution works. ;)
and yes, i agree, the notion that the virus doesn't survive in heat is ... tenuous at best
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 27, 2020, 07:27:03 PM
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Writers and artists are saying they are excited to meet everyone, but please understand there will be no handshakes, fist bumps, or hugs. Personal boundaries will be enforced. And it seems everyone is cool with it. Whew!

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I hope so.  I have a no handshake policy.  I've been this way for decades.  I don't even do a fist bump when people offer it as a alternative.  Handshaking is a disgusting custom.  You have no idea where those hands have been.  Some people take it well when I say I don't shake hands.  Other people do not.  Some people get really upset about it and try to force a handshake on me.  That never works.

Now I do make celebrity exceptions.  Yes, I will shake the hand of a move star.  But I always hand sanitize right after.  I've been caught by celebs who see me doing it when they turn around.  I do wait until they walk away but sometimes they look back.  I consider hand sanitizer a stop gap solution until I can get to a restroom to wash my hands.  Which I will seek out immediately after.  If you are ever in the restroom at comic-con and there's some guy hogging a sink for a full minute washing their hands, that's me. ;)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 27, 2020, 10:10:10 PM
I'm sure you've seen the Game Developer Conference in San Francisco has had many companies drop out and it's 2 weeks away. Most dropped out before learning of the rogue infected covid-19 in Northern California. And FYI, they are now testing thousands as well.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on February 28, 2020, 01:14:16 AM
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Mutations are random however, if a mutation helps the organism, in this case a virus, survive &/or reproduce then it is 'selected for'. IOW, a mutation that increased the life cycle or propagation rate, goes on to have lots of offspring & therefor that mutation becomes more prominent.

you are correct that i used the short cut way of talking about the theory of evolution & mutations. However the statement stands,
for example, there is a suggestion that the virus doesn't survive in warm 27 degrees C (82 F) temperatures. This would enable greater effective countermeasures. However if a strain mutated that survived higher temp's, it would not die as easily, live a longer life and propagate more.

I don't know, I guess I don't view viruses in the similar way as bacteria. I don't see viruses as living organisms, not the way bacteria are. Bacteria exist everywhere whether they infect anything or not. Bacteria can evolve such as evolving the ability to become resistant to certain antibiotics. Viruses, OTOH, are random, chaotic structures/molecules that exist but aren't really living. It may seem like they want to propagate but that's assuming that they have the same goal as all living organisms, to continue their 'species' but if they're not living organisms, would they have the same goal? To me, they're more like bad code in nature or something.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on February 28, 2020, 06:05:21 AM
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I don't know, I guess I don't view viruses in the similar way as bacteria. I don't see viruses as living organisms, not the way bacteria are. Bacteria exist everywhere whether they infect anything or not. Bacteria can evolve such as evolving the ability to become resistant to certain antibiotics. Viruses, OTOH, are random, chaotic structures/molecules that exist but aren't really living. It may seem like they want to propagate but that's assuming that they have the same goal as all living organisms, to continue their 'species' but if they're not living organisms, would they have the same goal? To me, they're more like bad code in nature or something.

In terms of mutation rate, RNA viruses are many times worse than bacteria. That's why you need a flu shot every year: because they mutate. It matters not what their "goal" is or whether or not they have one. It only matters whether they survive and propagate.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on February 28, 2020, 08:58:49 AM
Here is a Coronavirus spread map that is supposedly periodically updated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak_by_country_and_territory
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sessionka on February 28, 2020, 09:05:42 AM
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A more general article abut cons and coronavirus... specifically C2E2 and ECCC, both in the next couple of weeks.

https://www.comicsbeat.com/coronavirus-concerns-hit-con-season/

I doubt very seriously if CCI cancels the Con. 

I can understand people's concerns, and I agree with some of the precautions taken in the article, but I'm really not that concerned about this virus.

There may be a lot of talk in main stream media and social media, but I have to say...

No one in my sphere is really talking about it.  No one in my family, No one in my office... No one!!!

BTW, there were 4 people in my office out with the flu.  No one panicked. If they talked about the corona virus, it was as a joke.  Everyone is back in the office, and they're fine.

I'm not worried.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 28, 2020, 09:22:43 AM
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In terms of mutation rate, RNA viruses are many times worse than bacteria. That's why you need a flu shot every year: because they mutate. It matters not what their "goal" is or whether or not they have one. It only matters whether they survive and propagate.
agreed.
the term 'goal' is a human readable shortcut to illustrate the notion of surviving and propagating.

Circling back to the notion of folks with no symptoms being contagious.... That would be a mutation that helps the virus survive and propagate, and is scary as h**L, think Typhoid Mary.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on February 28, 2020, 09:57:10 AM
I'm going to share this link due to what is being said in this thread: https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/virus-human3.htm (Page 4-7 should answer some of your concerns about viruses, I hope.)

I'm also going to say this again: so far, COVID-19 is not as deadly as other coronaviruses can be. I'm saying that after reading reliable information that is available everywhere; today's information will change, though. Yes, COVID-19 is (stupidly) contagious, which sucks, and this virus is new, so I get it as to why many are scared of it, but the world is not ending anytime soon. Humans vs. Mother Nature is nothing new. Just be smart (as usual), but keep on doing normal things. Oh, buying certain items just to resell them later for more money? Don't be that person.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on February 28, 2020, 10:14:05 AM
Also, the fact that it's stupid-contagious and possibly transmitted without symptoms means that there could be thousands of cases that haven't been found yet - which also means the death rate would be even lower, as thousands of people will get it and never even feel sick. The amount of people who contract it and become seriously ill should be a VERY small percentage.

But as the FB meme says - KEEP CALM, AND WASH YOUR HANDS.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: AzT on February 28, 2020, 04:17:13 PM
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-02-28/san-diego-convention-center-takes-steps-to-ease-risk-of-coronavirus-outbreak

https://visitsandiego.com/coronavirus-faq

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Coronavirus FAQ

The San Diego Convention Center is closely monitoring the international outbreak of a respiratory illness caused by a coronavirus first identified in Wuhan, China (COVID-19). According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as of February 26, the immediate risk of this new virus to the American public is believed to be low at this time; however, the SDCC team has increased precautionary measures, training, and communication throughout the facility.

SDCC is closely monitoring the situation through updates from the CDC and the California Department of Public Health, along with direct dialogue with San Diego officials. Precautionary measures include enhancing onsite communications and signage in restrooms regarding preventative actions (outlined below), placing an increased number of hand sanitizer stations throughout the building, increasing the frequency of cleaning and disinfecting commonly touched objects, and providing ongoing training for SDCC staff and partners regarding best practices for providing a safe and healthy environment.

Frequently Asked Questions

Have there been any cases of COVID-19 at the San Diego Convention Center?

No, SDCC has not had any cases of coronavirus.


Have there been any cases of COVID-19 in the San Diego region?

CDC officials confirmed two cases of coronavirus in February 2020 after testing patients who had been quarantined at MCAS Miramar, located approximately 15 miles north of SDCC. The patients were quarantined after arriving from China.


Where can I learn more about coronavirus?

See the CDC website and World Health Organization for information about symptoms, transmission, and recent cases.
For California-specific updates, see the CDPH website. For an informative guide for communicating with travelers, see U.S. Travel.


What protective or preventative measures are in place?

Signs of the virus among people entering into the U.S. are being closely monitored at points of entry (e.g., airports). The San Diego and Los Angeles International Airports are working closely with the CDC and U.S. Customs & Border Protection on appropriate protocols. While San Diego does not have direct air service from China, the San Diego Tourism Authority is in touch with regional airports and health officials for any potential impacts. Airports in other U.S. destinations with flights from China have implemented screening procedures.

At SDCC, staff receives ongoing training and updates about public health concerns. SDCC has increased its precautionary measures, including increasing the frequency of cleaning and disinfecting commonly touched objects such as door handles and placing prominent hand sanitizer stations throughout the building. SDCC has also posted “Stay Healthy” signage to remind attendees of everyday precautions. SDCC and its tourism partners are maintaining communication with local health agencies to ensure best practices are in place.


How can you protect yourself?

Practice everyday precautions to help prevent the spread of respiratory viruses, including:

Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds. If soap and water are not available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth with unwashed hands.
Avoid close contact with people who are sick.
Stay home when you are sick.
Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.
Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces.


How do I recognize COVID-19?

According to the CDC, symptoms can include fever, cough and shortness of breath.


What should someone do if they have flu-like symptoms and have recently traveled to China, or have had contact with anyone who has traveled to China?


They should seek medical care at a hospital. Before going to the hospital, they (or a designated contact/staff member) should call ahead to tell the hospital about recent travel history and symptoms. Event EMTs or SDCC staff can provide masks for individuals to wear on the way to the hospital. The severity of the symptoms would determine the appropriate mode of transportation.

Recommended Hospital: UCSD Medical Center-Hillcrest (200 West Arbor Drive, San Diego, CA; 619.543.6222), is 20 minutes away. It is open 24 hours a day.

If the hospital determines that the individual has the virus, the San Diego County Department of Public Health Services will become involved and begin an investigative process in collaboration with SDCC. They will inform SDCC staff and help determine appropriate next steps.


Why did San Diego County declare a local health emergency?

Local officials made this declaration as a precautionary measure in order to increase funding for quarantine operations in the County of San Diego.


Do SDCC employees have access to paid time off if they feel sick?

Yes. SDCC employees, including part-time staff, have access to paid time off.


If COVID-19 becomes a problem at the SDCC or in San Diego County, how will staff, event organizers and attendees be alerted?

Relevant updates will be posted to our website and social media pages:

Facebook.com/SDConventionCenter
Twitter.com/SDConventionCtr
SDCC will communicate with event organizers, partners and other key contacts to relay updates.

Sources: California Department of Public Health, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, County of San Diego Public Health Services, First Aid Services of San Diego, San Diego International Airport, the U.S. Travel Association and the World Health Organization.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 28, 2020, 06:34:29 PM
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I doubt very seriously if CCI cancels the Con. 

As I said before, it would probably not be up to CCI to cancel comic-con.  They simply would not be allowed to hold it.

There is a second case of community transmission in California today.  One case maybe a fluke where they missed a connection.  Two makes that seem much more unlikely.  If we get more, then there will be little doubt that it's out in the community.

With 15 confirmed cases and no community transmission, Switzerland has now banned any gathering larger than 1000 people.  Germany with 60 confirmed cases is about to follow.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hipchick on February 28, 2020, 07:18:50 PM
For those following, GDC was just postponed.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: imecoli on February 28, 2020, 07:24:04 PM
A lot of us are in poor health from lack of sleep and sleeping outdoors during the event

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on February 28, 2020, 07:37:23 PM
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As I said before, it would probably not be up to CCI to cancel comic-con.  They simply would not be allowed to hold it.
Technically, it is up to CCI to cancel the event if things do not get worse when July hits. For example, GDC wasn’t ‘forced’ by SF to postponed the event, it was due to so many companies and guests deciding to cancel their visits. E3 might be facing the same thing this year if the COVID-19 outbreak gets worse, or people just being scared to go to E3.


Will Comic-Con be facing the same thing? Maybe and that would force the issue. I say let’s see how ECCC goes, as well as C2E2 which is currently underway. As for WonderCon, I’m expecting the con to lose some guests, which include TV and film. I would be shocked if the con didn’t regardless of the outbreak getting worse or not.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 28, 2020, 07:43:15 PM
Now there's a third community transmission case.  This time in Oregon.  I don't think there is much doubt that it's out and about.  Which is not unexpected and what the CDC warned us to expect.

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Technically, it is up to CCI to cancel the event if things do not get worse when July hits. For example, GDC wasn%u2019t %u2018forced%u2019 by SF to postponed the event, it was due to so many companies and guests deciding to cancel their visits. E3 might be facing the same thing this year if the COVID-19 outbreak gets worse, or people just being scared to go outside.


Will Comic-Con be facing the same thing? Maybe. Let's see how ECCC goes, as well as C2E2 which is currently underway. As for WonderCon, I%u2019m expecting the con to lose some guests, which include TV and films. I would be shocked if the con didn%u2019t regardless of the outbreak is worse or not.

That's right now.  That's like saying the government doesn't force companies to do all recalls.  They don't.  Some recalls are voluntary.  Others are not.  They are ordered by the government.  They generally order it if the company doesn't voluntarily do it.

The government is well within it's power to forbid large gatherings.  Such as a big convention like comic-con.  They have quarantine power.  My point is if the time comes, it will probably not be up to CCI to cancel comic-con.  They simply won't be allowed to hold it.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on February 28, 2020, 07:58:13 PM
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Now there's a third community transmission case.  This time in Oregon.  I don't think there is much doubt that it's out and about.

That's right now.  That's like saying the government doesn't force companies to do all recalls.  They don't.  Some recalls are voluntary.  Others are not.  They are ordered by the government. The government is well within its power to forbid large gatherings.  Such as a big convention like comic-con.  They have quarantine power.  My point is when the time comes, it will probably not be up to CCI to cancel comic-con.  They simply won't be allowed to hold it.
Correct, you are right that the situation and information will change as time goes by. If the CDC recommends no large events to be held, sure. I personally don’t think that will happen, yet I could be wrong. COVID-19 is a nasty bug, just like all viruses are, but it’s currently not as ‘deadly’ regardless on how the media is framing it. I’m not saying don’t follow what the CDC says and not to be ready for it, I just see too much fear going around as if World War Z is actually going to happen. Again, I get it, it’s a new virus the world is dealing with. COVID-19 is officially everywhere.

Btw, I’m going to share this YouTube video and I recommend everyone to follow this guy: https://youtu.be/quDYb_x54DM

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 28, 2020, 11:02:45 PM
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For those following, GDC was just postponed.
This comes as no surprise. A ton of companies cancelled, so it would be a total busy. Good to postpone, but feel bad for those that can't get money back

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on February 29, 2020, 12:15:55 AM
One thing I just thought about is if, god forbid, that SDCC gets canceled like 1 month before it takes place, what will happen to our hotel reservation deposits? It'll be easy for CCI to refund the fees for badges or let us keep our badges for next year's SDCC but I'm dreading what may happen with those hotel deposits.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rabbitwarren on February 29, 2020, 03:38:26 AM
I suspect if there is a mass quarantine or lock down, it will happen within the next month or two. Hong Kong is already easing their lockdown
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rabbitwarren on February 29, 2020, 03:41:20 AM
I’m also going to the World Figure Skating Championships this year, which has a sizable contingent of both fans and athletes from affected countries.  Most of the Chinese team had been in North America since the beginning of the month and Hanyu (the biggest Japanese skating star) lives in Toronto

So far, the governing body has measures in place for the athletes and they are prepping the arena for the spectators.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 29, 2020, 06:37:00 AM
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For those following, GDC was just postponed.
i'm claming pre-coffee state & fuzzy head
what's GDC?

i've just booked in a couple of days at disney 3/27&8.... thoughts?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: SteveD on February 29, 2020, 06:43:17 AM
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i'm claming pre-coffee state & fuzzy head
what's GDC?

i've just booked in a couple of days at disney 3/27&8.... thoughts?
That would be the Game Developers Conference (GDC), 3/16-3/20, San Francisco, CA.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on February 29, 2020, 08:24:23 AM
Thx LOL

Given the fact that I always get a sickness after visiting Disney, what have I done.... Booked 2 days at Disney for the end of March...
I'm going to go with 'optimistic' until they start closing stuff down.

I may wear a mask, my lungs are compromised already.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 29, 2020, 11:38:17 AM
2 more cases of community spread overnight, with 1 death.  This time in Washington.

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I may wear a mask, my lungs are compromised already.

I'm a mask wearer.  I wear a mask all the time when I'm sick.  But people mistake the purpose of wearing a mask.  It doesn't do much, if anything, to keep you from getting a respiratory illness.  It helps you from spreading it if you are sick.

That's why people wear masks in the outbreak areas in China or in the ER during flu season for that matter.  Since it helps reduce spread from people that are infected.  That's why those masks with an outlet vent are useless.  Don't get those for this purpose.  Get those to keep from breathing in dust when you are sanding wood.

If people want to wear a mask to keep from getting sick, you should do more than wear a mask.  You also need to wear something over your eyes.  Good hand hygiene is critical.  Putting on a clean mask with dirty hands is not good.  Adjusting a clean mask with dirty hands is not good.  When you get home, wash your hands first before taking off the mask and then wash your hands again.  There's also the issue of the rest of you.  Micro droplets will be all over you.  Your skin.  Your clothes.  Viruses don't last long on skin but can last hours on clothes.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on February 29, 2020, 01:34:56 PM
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2 more cases of community spread overnight, with 1 death.  This time in Washington.
More info about the Seattle patient: The person who died was in his 50s and that person had underlying health issues, though.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on February 29, 2020, 02:25:48 PM
50 people showing symptoms being tested in Washington now.  Which is to be expected since the people with community spread were running around for a week before being tested.  It's exponential now.

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More info about the Seattle patient: The person who died was in his 50s and that person had underlying health issues, though.

The doctor who first warned of this epidemic and died didn't have underlying health issues.  I'm not trying to overplay the danger, but I don't think we should underplay it either.  Just like the flu, older people with health problems are more likely to die.  But just like the flu, young people in the height of health die as well.

The Chinese stats are enlightening.  The cutoff age seems to be 50 years old.  Under that, and the mortality rate is very low.  On the order of the flu.  Many with little or no symptoms.  Over 50 it ramps up to as high as 14% mortality rate for people over 80.

I think in the end, covid will be treated like the seasonal flu.  The same thing happened with h1n1.  But there are vaccines for those.  Those vaccines save a lot of lives.  There isn't a vaccine for covid yet.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: darlenealderson on March 01, 2020, 08:48:02 AM
There's been a few younger people who've died but it is mostly older and immunocompromised. I'm hoping it doens't spread all over the country but at this point that seems more likely than not. I do think it's interesting that it seems to not really spread in warm countries like India. Maybe it will plateau once it gets warmer.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 01, 2020, 09:56:53 AM
Not having any hand sanitizer in the house I found this suggestion for home made stuff.
I'm going to make up a bottle for my car.
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: f22raptor on March 01, 2020, 10:02:08 AM
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50 people showing symptoms being tested in Washington now.  Which is to be expected since the people with community spread were running around for a week before being tested.  It's exponential now.

The doctor who first warned of this epidemic and died didn't have underlying health issues.  I'm not trying to overplay the danger, but I don't think we should underplay it either.  Just like the flu, older people with health problems are more likely to die.  But just like the flu, young people in the height of health die as well.

The Chinese stats are enlightening.  The cutoff age seems to be 50 years old.  Under that, and the mortality rate is very low.  On the order of the flu.  Many with little or no symptoms.  Over 50 it ramps up to as high as 14% mortality rate for people over 80.

I think in the end, covid will be treated like the seasonal flu.  The same thing happened with h1n1.  But there are vaccines for those.  Those vaccines save a lot of lives.  There isn't a vaccine for covid yet.

Please cite your source on the 34 year old Chinese doctor who died from the Coronavirus has no pre-exiting condition.  Does he smoke or have some vice that may have exacerbated the symptom? I know plenty of doctors who don’t practice what they preach to their patients and maintains an unhealthy lifestyle.  Just because someone earned a piece of paper attesting to his or her knowledge does not mean that person have the ability to apply it effectively in the real world.

Good discussion, lots of interesting points.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on March 01, 2020, 10:50:45 AM
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Please cite your source on the 34 year old Chinese doctor who died from the Coronavirus has no pre-exiting condition.  Does he smoke or have some vice that may have exacerbated the symptom? I know plenty of doctors who don’t practice what they preach to their patients and maintains an unhealthy lifestyle.  Just because someone earned a piece of paper attesting to his or her knowledge does not mean that person have the ability to apply it effectively in the real world.

Good discussion, lots of interesting points.

Let's say the doctor did smoke or have an unhealthy lifestyle (junk food?). Would that information give your comfort? What if only people who were frail or had preexisting conditions died? Is that better?

We all know and love people who are frail or have preexisting conditions who you might not think of as being vulnerable because they look great and are not presently sick (the very young, those with mild asthma, etc.). The idea that it may be a problem primarily for people with preexisting conditions does not give me comfort, regardless of my health status or that of my immediate family. The hearty might not die, but the otherwise healthy babies and grandparents might.

I do not believe we should shut down the planet, but not worrying about something because it might not directly affect you is not the proper path, either.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: f22raptor on March 01, 2020, 11:24:44 AM
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Let's say the doctor did smoke or have an unhealthy lifestyle (junk food?). Would that information give your comfort? What if only people who were frail or had preexisting conditions died? Is that better?

We all know and love people who are frail or have preexisting conditions who you might not think of as being vulnerable because they look great and are not presently sick (the very young, those with mild asthma, etc.). The idea that it may be a problem primarily for people with preexisting conditions does not give me comfort, regardless of my health status or that of my immediate family. The hearty might not die, but the otherwise healthy babies and grandparents might.

I do not believe we should shut down the planet, but not worrying about something because it might not directly affect you is not the proper path, either.
Where did that come from I am just asking for sources to be cited on the doctor’s pre-existing coundition?  You are missing the point, age is just an number, it is how you maintain your body.  I am friends with a guy who recently graduated from the United States Army’s Ranger School in his 40s.  It is also well known that the male population in China are avid tobacco users and that is contributing to the body count.

And for the record,  I take no comfort in the suffering of others. 


Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 01, 2020, 11:43:32 AM
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Please cite your source on the 34 year old Chinese doctor who died from the Coronavirus has no pre-exiting condition.  Does he smoke or have some vice that may have exacerbated the symptom? I know plenty of doctors who don’t practice what they preach to their patients and maintains an unhealthy lifestyle.  Just because someone earned a piece of paper attesting to his or her knowledge does not mean that person have the ability to apply it effectively in the real world.

Good discussion, lots of interesting points.

The proof that he didn't have some other mortal underlying condition is that no one has reported he had such a condition.  Since if he had, they would have reported it.  That's what they do.  He isn't the only young doctor that's died from covid.  He's not even the youngest.

I don't see the point of trying to find some gotcha to explain away his death.  Even if he smoked or vaped or ate junk food, that would just make him just like the rest of us.  How many of us are top physical specimens?  As I already pointed out, perfectly healthy teenagers die of other respiratory illnesses like the flu.  The elderly and the sick are more vulnerable but simply being in top physical condition is no golden pass.

I think the best indicator of vulnerability seems to be age, just like with most respiratory illnesses.  I would look at the Chinese data broken down by age group.  As with the flu, the younger you are the less you have to worry.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: darlenealderson on March 01, 2020, 11:55:58 AM
I bet the young doctors who've died in China (both the 34 y.o. male and the 29 y.o. female) were working around the clock and not getting adequate rest. I'm sure that was very detrimental to their immune systems. Granted, it's speculation, but it makes sense.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 01, 2020, 11:56:51 AM
People that are perfectly healthy and young die of respiratory illnesses.  Here's one example.

https://time.com/5099042/influenza-deaths-flu/

It's less common then if someone is old and sick, but it does happen.  Youth and health are no guarantee of invulnerability.  To the young, get a flu shot.  It's not just for people over 65.

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Not having any hand sanitizer in the house I found this suggestion for home made stuff.
I'm going to make up a bottle for my car.

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I would go get some hand sanitizer, at least 62% alcohol.  Even if that worked the time scale would be minutes versus an alcohol hand santitzer being seconds.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: f22raptor on March 01, 2020, 12:14:41 PM
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I bet the young doctors who've died in China (both the 34 y.o. male and the 29 y.o. female) were working around the clock and not getting adequate rest. I'm sure that was very detrimental to their immune systems. Granted, it's speculation, but it makes sense.

Plus the air quality in China is not the greatest from the rampant use of tobacco and industrialization in the urban areas.  I visited Wuhan a couple years ago when I got sent to Hong Kong for work. The air quality on a good day is at best Moderate.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on March 01, 2020, 02:02:11 PM
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The proof that he didn't have some other mortal underlying condition is that no one has reported he had such a condition.  Since if he had, they would have reported it.  That's what they do.  He isn't the only young doctor that's died from covid.  He's not even the youngest.

I don't see the point of trying to find some gotcha to explain away his death.  Even if he smoked or vaped or ate junk food, that would just make him just like the rest of us.  How many of us are top physical specimens?  As I already pointed out, perfectly healthy teenagers die of other respiratory illnesses like the flu.  The elderly and the sick are more vulnerable but simply being in top physical condition is no golden pass.

I think the best indicator of vulnerability seems to be age, just like with most respiratory illnesses.  I would look at the Chinese data broken down by age group.  As with the flu, the younger you are the less you have to worry.

What she said. <3

No point in finding a gotcha. I'm betting the majority of the population is not in tip top shape. Does that mean too bad, we have it coming?

And yeah, it would have been reported if he had a preexisting condition. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on March 01, 2020, 02:07:06 PM
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Where did that come from I am just asking for sources to be cited on the doctor’s pre-existing coundition?  You are missing the point, age is just an number, it is how you maintain your body.  I am friends with a guy who recently graduated from the United States Army’s Ranger School in his 40s.  It is also well known that the male population in China are avid tobacco users and that is contributing to the body count.

And for the record,  I take no comfort in the suffering of others.

Age is not just a number; it is a significant number. If anyone could attest to that, it would have been my mom. She ate healthier than anyone I'd ever known. No red meat. No fat. No cholesterol. Lots of vegetables. She exercised every day. She was obsessed with fighting age with lifestyle. She should have lived to 110 if that had worked. She didn't. Age was not just a number.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 01, 2020, 06:51:10 PM
To add to the list of closures, the Louvre has closed due to covid.

In an example of how fast this can balloon, today Italy has an order of magnitude, 10 times, more infected than it did a week ago.

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Plus the air quality in China is not the greatest from the rampant use of tobacco and industrialization in the urban areas.  I visited Wuhan a couple years ago when I got sent to Hong Kong for work. The air quality on a good day is at best Moderate.

The numbers don't bear out your hypothesis.  Take a look at a well studied respiratory illness, the seasonal flu.  Flu deaths vary greatly from year to year.  In the US it can be a few thousand in a good year to many 10's of thousands during a bad year.  The multi-year average in the US is about 25,000 deaths a year.  In China the multi-year average is about 85,000 - 90,000.  So we have 1/4th the number of deaths as China.  We also have 1/4th the population.  Per capita, we have the same rate of flu deaths as China.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 01, 2020, 11:16:17 PM
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Not having any hand sanitizer in the house I found this suggestion for home made stuff.
I'm going to make up a bottle for my car.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200301/9d1e396bb883363b70b1ca4e66bfab40.jpg)

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I use rubbing alcohol to clean the instruments at my work. I use an alcohol pump/dispenser bottle and I get the alcohol all over my hands. It's surprisingly not too drying on my hands at all. Being a bit OCD, I use it at least 20x a day to clean my hands if I'm not able to go wash my hands thoroughly. So if there's any rubbing alcohol left at stores and hand sanitizer is out, regular rubbing alcohol can be an alternative.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 01, 2020, 11:31:35 PM
Here's an article on the Chinese doctor who died from COVID-19.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51403795

He was 34 years old. Poor guy. He was punished for trying to save people.

For those who would like to read more articles on the virus, there's a lot of articles linked on the worldnews subreddit and the news subreddit. I've been following the discussion of the virus since January and it's been said that there are some unusual statistics so far regarding the infections such as higher fatality rate for men vs women and that there's been very little reported cases of children being infected (but however they are still contagious to adults). There's been discussion about re-infections which is scary, but that hasn't been fully substantiated. What is disturbing, though, for us Americans is that the CDC has tried to prevent local or state labs from testing for virus itself. Anyone who is suspected of having the virus has to send the samples to the CDC and the turn-around time is several days while theoretically if we can test locally, it'd be 1-2 days at the most. So it means those who might have the virus wouldn't necessarily be quarantined right away so it's not surprising that we're seeing a lot of community transmitted patients pop up now. I don't know why the CDC is not prepared yet to send out accurate test kits to every state when other countries like China are able to test tens of thousands samples daily.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on March 02, 2020, 10:54:24 AM
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Not having any hand sanitizer in the house I found this suggestion for home made stuff.
I'm going to make up a bottle for my car.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200301/9d1e396bb883363b70b1ca4e66bfab40.jpg)

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Mmmm... and 1 shot of vodka(Grey Goose for better result) in the mouth in 2 min interval.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on March 02, 2020, 10:40:43 PM
If they don't cancel, my cosplay will be an N95 mask, gloves, and safety glasses. Maybe I should don the whole suit.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on March 03, 2020, 08:04:34 AM
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If they don't cancel, my cosplay will be an N95 mask, gloves, and safety glasses. Maybe I should don the whole suit.


Oh I see.  You will dressing up as Marty McFly from Back to the Future?

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 03, 2020, 08:13:27 AM
FYI, reported mortality rates by age:
0-9 no deaths
10-19 - 0.2%
20-29 - 0.2%
30-39 - 0.2%
40-49 - 0.4%
50-59 - 1.3%
60-69 - 3.6%
70-79 - 8.0%
80+ - 14.8%

Essentially, unless you have a deficient immune system you're likely going to weather this storm just fine.  Wash your hands before touching your face; wash your hands A LOT!  It's gonna be OK!

The _REAL_ concern is the economy & industry, not so much the mortality rate.  I'm just a teacher and I don't have a ton of stock investments so I'm not even talking about the stock market.  I'm talking more about the fact that we're so reliant on China and Japan for so many products with so much shut down in those countries we're gonna be in a bit of trouble for a little bit until things get back to normal.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sessionka on March 03, 2020, 08:30:28 AM
BTW....

Reedpop is NOT cancelling any of their events.

C2E2 went on as planned.

For ECCC (3/12 - 3/15), they're just giving people advice on how to stay healthy. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 03, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
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Thanks for posting that, Alf. It's interesting because they actually spoke with people at CCI and people at the Hollywood studios. It makes sense that they are monitoring the situation. I still think that it's overkill to cancel SDCC (given how things are right now) but agree that if there are significant changes in risk that things could be different.
IDK; I think that article felt click-baity.  Certainly no one is making decisions yet about SD Comic-Con & they have to publicly say the same stuff: "we're monitoring the situation and keeping in touch with authorities" blah blah blah.  obviously first couple days of March is _WAY_ to early to even predict where this virus is headed, let alone how it will impact conventions.  I agree it's egregious overkill to cancel SDCCI and literally the best thing for people to do is literally wash their hands & practice good hygiene (note: things WE SHOULD ALL BE DOING ANYWAY!!!)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on March 03, 2020, 09:38:14 AM
Whatever the actual medical situation is...the anxiety is real. I was at my local Target this morning, and was curious about hand sanitizer and alcohol. Well, the shelves were completely bare. People were cruising, looking anxiously for more. I am in Florida, and I hope the rising temps help to "burn" this thing out.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 03, 2020, 10:33:32 AM
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Whatever the actual medical situation is...the anxiety is real. I was at my local Target this morning, and was curious about hand sanitizer and alcohol. Well, the shelves were completely bare. People were cruising, looking anxiously for more. I am in Florida, and I hope the rising temps help to "burn" this thing out.

Yeah, Sunday my wife was at a CostCo doing regular grocery shopping; she got a package of toilet paper and put it under the cart.  When she stopped in another aisle to look at something else, a 10 year old-looking kid stopped walked up to the cart and started trying to take the tp.  She promptly asked the kid "what the h do you think you're doing?!" and the kid literally ran away.

Agent Kay was (of course) right all long: "A person is smart.  _People_ are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it!"
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on March 03, 2020, 10:51:15 AM
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Yeah, Sunday my wife was at a CostCo doing regular grocery shopping; she got a package of toilet paper and put it under the cart.  When she stopped in another aisle to look at something else, a 10 year old-looking kid stopped walked up to the cart and started trying to take the tp.  She promptly asked the kid "what the h do you think you're doing?!" and the kid literally ran away.

Agent Kay was (of course) right all long: "A person is smart.  _People_ are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it!"

@perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380)   That is wild...and a bit scary... ???
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 03, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
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FYI, reported mortality rates by age:
0-9 no deaths
10-19 - 0.2%
20-29 - 0.2%
30-39 - 0.2%
40-49 - 0.4%
50-59 - 1.3%
60-69 - 3.6%
70-79 - 8.0%
80+ - 14.8%

Essentially, unless you have a deficient immune system you're likely going to weather this storm just fine.  Wash your hands before touching your face; wash your hands A LOT!  It's gonna be OK!

That's not the takeaway I see.  The takeaway is that if you are under 50 then you are personally OK.  If you are over 50, not so much.  There's a clear break there.  Age is the factor, not a deficient immune system.  Older people simply aren't as resilient.  Just like an 80 year old can't lift as much weight as a 20 year old.  It's multiple organ failure that kills, not the virus directly itself.  It's the strain on the system.

Also, that's not the way to think of it.  So a 20 year old gets infected, shows little to no symptoms, but is infectious and infects his parents and/or grandparents.  His grandparents die.  Is that OK?  Infectious diseases aren't just about the individual.

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Whatever the actual medical situation is...the anxiety is real. I was at my local Target this morning, and was curious about hand sanitizer and alcohol. Well, the shelves were completely bare. People were cruising, looking anxiously for more. I am in Florida, and I hope the rising temps help to "burn" this thing out.

Did you see the picture of the empty shelves at Costco?  It's like Wuhan empty.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: AzT on March 03, 2020, 07:06:56 PM
An example of the kind of message that upcoming conventions should consider issuing, including the beloved big show at the heart of this very forum:

https://www.tfcon.com/a-message-from-tfcon-about-the-covid-19-virus

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Hey everyone,

We know a lot of people look forward to TFcon every year and we always want the best for this community that we have been apart of for over 20 years.

TFcon Orlando 2020 will take place as scheduled March 20-22 at the DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel at the Entrance to Universal Orlando. We will have implemented enhanced cleaning and sanitization across the show, including adhering to the recommendations set forth in the U.S. EPA’s Emerging Pathogen Policy regarding cleaning disinfectants effective against the COVID-19 virus. We are working closely with the hotel and aligning with local, state and federal public health guidelines and agencies. As TFcon approaches we will be constantly reviewing our health protection activities, public health messaging, hygiene and medical control measures with the aim of strengthening our COVID-19 response further in line with up to date public health advice and guidance, including that of the CDC. Coronaviruses are enveloped viruses, meaning they are one of the easiest to kill with the appropriate disinfectant product.

We want to express our concern for everyone impacted by the COVID-19 virus. The well-being of our global Transformers community, from our fans and exhibitors to our staff on-site at every show – is of the utmost importance to TFcon and we take pride in creating an inclusive positive environment to celebrate our favorite brand of all time – The Transformers.

We are excited to bring the TFcon experience to the fans in Florida and can’t wait to see you.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 03, 2020, 08:23:20 PM
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Whatever the actual medical situation is...the anxiety is real. I was at my local Target this morning, and was curious about hand sanitizer and alcohol. Well, the shelves were completely bare. People were cruising, looking anxiously for more. I am in Florida, and I hope the rising temps help to "burn" this thing out.

Yeah I went to Target on Saturday and almost all except 1-2 containers were left of the rubbing alcohol and hand sanitizer. If you want to get those, I'd try regular grocery stores that might be pricier but probably won't be empty or the dollar stores. I went today to the local dollar store and their water bottle shelves were mostly full, surprisingly.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 03, 2020, 09:02:43 PM
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An example of the kind of message that upcoming conventions should consider issuing, including the beloved big show at the heart of this very forum:

https://www.tfcon.com/a-message-from-tfcon-about-the-covid-19-virus

Are they a ReedPop event? That's nearly the exact same message ECCC posted.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 03, 2020, 09:04:38 PM
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Yeah I went to Target on Saturday and almost all except 1-2 containers were left of the rubbing alcohol and hand sanitizer. If you want to get those, I'd try regular grocery stores that might be pricier but probably won't be empty or the dollar stores. I went today to the local dollar store and their water bottle shelves were mostly full, surprisingly.

I'll second this. I went to Whole Foods to get my water and they had plenty of that (and everything else) left. I'm not going to bother with Costco...one of my coworkers tried going, and sent me a picture of someone in line with 30 PACKS of Toilet paper on their cart  ::)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sessionka on March 04, 2020, 07:12:53 AM
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Are they a ReedPop event? That's nearly the exact same message ECCC posted.

Doesn't look like it.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: imecoli on March 04, 2020, 07:38:49 AM
Not to be a copy and paste'r but here you go

So far, these are some of the events that have been canceled, postponed or turned into online-only events.

Mobile World Congress, Barcelona, Feb. 24-27

Trans-Pacific Merchants, Long Beach, March 1-4

American Physical Society meeting, Denver, March 2-6

Natural Products Expo West, Anaheim, March 3-7 (Conference organizers say the event is postponed and that next month, they will announce a new date.)

Geneva International Motor Show, Geneva, Switzerland, March 5-15

Facebook Global Marketing Summit, San Francisco, March 9-12

CERAWeek, Houston, March 9-13

Game Developers Conference, San Francisco, March 16-20 (Conference organizers say the event is postponed until summer.)

Livre Paris book fair, Paris, March 20-23

Nvidia GPU Technology Conference, San Jose, March 22-26 (The conference will now be an online event.)

Bologna Children’s Book Fair, Bologna, Italy, March 30-April 2 (rescheduled for May 4-7)

Google Cloud Next ’20, San Francisco, April 6-8 (The conference will now be an online event.)

Facebook F8 conference, San Jose, May 5-6

Google I/O, Mountain View May 12-14



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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on March 04, 2020, 08:03:30 AM
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I'll second this. I went to Whole Foods to get my water and they had plenty of that (and everything else) left. I'm not going to bother with Costco...one of my coworkers tried going, and sent me a picture of someone in line with 30 PACKS of Toilet paper on their cart  ::)

Maybe I am dense, but...Why hoard toilet paper? ::)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 04, 2020, 08:54:10 AM
I think a much more pertinent/interesting question is could CCI cancel WonderCon 2020 due to Coronavirus?  Estimates seem to indicate US will have a huge spike in the next couple of weeks, with a pique potentially early April.

BTW, did anyone else watch/read the transcripts of the WHO press conference yesterday?  It was so nice to hear competent professionals speak doctorly: no sugar-coating, not hyperbole, just cold hard facts.  Some takeaways I had from their press conference:

* they mentioned a mortality rate of 3.4% - significantly higher than the previously reported 2%
* they talked about how while the common flue kills more people, it has a 'far less than 1% mortality rate,' making caronavirus much more deadly.

That being said...

* it is SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult to get the caronavirus than the common flue.  The said the way caronavirus spreads is via droplets from coughing or sneezing, and stressed washing hands constantly w/soap & water (ESPECIALLY before putting hands-to-face).

I saw a significant number of vendors have pulled out of ECCC: DC, Penguin Random House, Dark Horse Comics for sure.  That event is reported to draw around 100k people, so it's not a small convention.  Granted, that's a state that has had deaths from the virus; according to Johns Hopkins dashboard Orange County currently has three total cases, while King County (where Seattle is) has 22 confirmed cases & 8 deaths.

Who knows what the situation will be like in a month & change for WonderCon, but if ECCC is pushing ahead and they seem to be the epicenter of US coronavirus fear so maybe WonderCon (and by extension Comic-Con) will be OK.

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Post by: perc2100 on March 04, 2020, 09:00:41 AM
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Maybe I am dense, but...Why hoard toilet paper? ::)
Yeah, I don't get it either! My family's crazy story came earlier in this thread, from San Diego, CA a county that still has only had 2 reported caronavirus cases, with 1 of the two fully recovered!  I don't get why people feel the need to rush out and get toilet paper, especially in the day-and-age when one can a) go to Costco and order TP on line or b) go to Amazon and if one has Prime could have next-day delivery!

People are collectively dumb and panicky and I don't get why. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on March 04, 2020, 09:28:38 AM
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Maybe I am dense, but...Why hoard toilet paper? ::)
When someone gotta poop, they gotta poop. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 04, 2020, 10:32:46 AM
Just got the email...CGC is no longer heading to ECCC.  Text of the email below:
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CGC has decided not to attend the 2020 Emerald City Comic Con, which is being held in Seattle, Washington, March 12-15.

Washington state has been particularly impacted by the coronavirus. Senior CGC staff discussed the situation and made the decision out of an abundance of caution for the safety of its employees. CGC is disappointed that it will miss this show for the first time in over a decade, and regrets the impact its absence will have on collectors.

As of March 3, Emerald City Comic Con was still planning to proceed as scheduled. For the latest, please visit www.emeraldcitycomiccon.com.

For a full schedule of shows that CGC is attending, please check www.CGCcomics.com/events. The calendar will be updated as needed.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sessionka on March 04, 2020, 10:38:35 AM
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 04, 2020, 03:47:06 PM
Per Lifehacker, making your own hand sanitizer is unlikely to be either pleasant or effective:
https://vitals.lifehacker.com/just-because-you-can-make-your-own-hand-sanitizer-doesn-1842089146

Also, a useful (if slightly tongue-in-cheek) updating list of event cancellations:
https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: LibertyRoxx on March 04, 2020, 06:12:13 PM
If SDCC were cancelled due to this I think might quite literally explode into bits and pieces.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 04, 2020, 06:47:48 PM
It's hitting closer to home.  A screener that works at LAX has been confirmed to have covid.  It's unclear whether she caught it from a passenger or from the community.  Considering that no passengers that came through LAX tested positive for covid, it really doesn't matter.  She and the person she caught it from, whether a passenger or someone in the community, were running around infected for days.  Since they don't know who she caught it from, that person is still running around in the community.


Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: kmy on March 04, 2020, 07:15:42 PM
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It's hitting closer to home.  A screener that works at LAX has been confirmed to have covid.  It's unclear whether she caught it from a passenger or from the community.  Considering that no passengers that came through LAX tested positive for covid, it really doesn't matter.  She and the person she caught it from, whether a passenger or someone in the community, were running around infected for days.  Since they don't know who she caught it from, that person is still running around in the community.
We're just waiting for it to get to Las Vegas. With all the travel through here it's more likely a matter of if than when. But there's more a feeling of patient resignation than panic. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 04, 2020, 07:36:06 PM
I was approved to go to a conference in Vegas in May, but now I'm thinking of not going with all this going on :(
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 04, 2020, 08:24:50 PM
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We're just waiting for it to get to Las Vegas. With all the travel through here it's more likely a matter of if than when. But there's more a feeling of patient resignation than panic.

I'm of the opinion that it's already widespread in the US.  We just don't know because we don't test. Both the US and Japan have been reluctant to test.  People in both countries have been complaining that even with symptoms, they can't get tested.  I think that public pressure in both countries have finally forced the relevant governments to test.

In Japan, I think they were trying to salvage the Olympics.  Now it appears that Japan is trying to postpone the Olympics until the end of the year but the IOC is pushing back on that.

So don't be alarmed if you wake up one day to find that there are thousands of cases in the US.  Those aren't new infections.  Those are existing infections that we have refused to test for to date.
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Post by: ALF on March 04, 2020, 09:45:50 PM
In related news.. SXSW... seem to have gotten the the Carona virus and is currently dying a slow death.
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Post by: alyssa on March 05, 2020, 07:44:52 AM
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I was approved to go to a conference in Vegas in May, but now I'm thinking of not going with all this going on :(
i'm with @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) on this, i also think it's widespread already. I don't think i'd make a decision on the trip for a while if i were you.

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Post by: RustyPonds on March 05, 2020, 08:49:29 AM
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In related news.. SXSW... seem to have gotten the the Carona virus and is currently dying a slow death.

Yup, with so many big brands having pulled out (with more sure to come), it's gonna be easy for me to pretend to my gf that I won't go this year because she's afraid I'll get sick.  :)

Notable Cancellations so far include Twitter, Facebook, Intel, Mashable, Netflix, Amazon Studios, Warner Media, Apple, SAP
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 05, 2020, 11:12:57 AM
Today it's really coming close to home.  An AT&T store employee in San Diego has initially tested positive.  In the US, the process is two tests.  So the employees at a handful of San Diego AT&T stores are now under self quarantine.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/san-diego-county-at-t-store-workers-initial-coronavirus-test-comes-back-positive
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Post by: marcia29 on March 05, 2020, 11:27:57 AM
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Today it's really coming close to home.  An AT&T store employee in San Diego has initially tested positive.  In the US, the process is two tests.  So the employees at a handful of San Diego AT&T stores are now under self quarantine.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/san-diego-county-at-t-store-workers-initial-coronavirus-test-comes-back-positive

Yikes.  :( But...not too surprising.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Applescruff on March 05, 2020, 11:33:03 AM
I'm trying to not panic & over-react on this, but wondering if CCI will allow refunds for people who are "uncomfortable" attending Wondercon (as ECCC has done) if coronavirus explodes.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 05, 2020, 10:57:40 PM
I was reading some articles on the disease and found one interesting quote from a sfgate.com article:
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"Death from coronavirus in patients with pneumonia is thought to be a combination of direct damage of the viral infection to the airways (bronchiolitis and/or pneumonia), an abnormal immune response (“cytokine storm”), and secondary bacterial infections.  This is similar to the way people die from flu."

There's been a few articles that mention there are no fatalities with children who get infected and they seem to get milder symptoms. The theory is that they don't get the cytokine storm due to their limited immunity buildup.

Here's an excerpt from a sciencedaily.com 2014 article on cytokine storm:

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Cytokine storm is now seen as a likely major cause of mortality in the 1918-20 "Spanish flu" -- which killed more than 50 million people worldwide -- and the H1N1 "swine flu" and H5N1 "bird flu" of recent years. In these epidemics, the patients most likely to die were relatively young adults with apparently strong immune reactions to the infection -- whereas ordinary seasonal flu epidemics disproportionately affect the very young and the elderly.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: L3g3nd33 on March 06, 2020, 11:46:09 AM
Now that ECCC has been postponed until the summer, I'm really getting worried about SDCC.  I don't think SDCC is something that can be postponed like ECCC so if it comes down to it, I believe it would just get outright cancelled.  But I hope not  :(
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Post by: taka on March 06, 2020, 12:04:10 PM
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Now that ECCC has been postponed until the summer, I'm really getting worried about SDCC.  I don't think SDCC is something that can be postponed like ECCC so if it comes down to it, I believe it would just get outright cancelled.  But I hope not  :(

At least I think (or hope) we will hear sooner from SDCC if it gets cancelled or postponed, people all over the world come for it, its way bigger than ECCC or WC
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Post by: Mario Wario on March 06, 2020, 12:42:18 PM
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Now that ECCC has been postponed until the summer, I'm really getting worried about SDCC.  I don't think SDCC is something that can be postponed like ECCC so if it comes down to it, I believe it would just get outright cancelled.  But I hope not  :(
Too soon to do that, but I get it.
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Post by: Applescruff on March 06, 2020, 12:54:04 PM
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Now that ECCC has been postponed until the summer, I'm really getting worried about SDCC.  I don't think SDCC is something that can be postponed like ECCC so if it comes down to it, I believe it would just get outright cancelled.  But I hope not  :(
They were just talking about refunds yesterday!  Yikes!   >:(
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: loubert on March 06, 2020, 02:15:25 PM
SXSW is now canceled.

https://www.statesman.com/business/20200306/sxsw-canceled-over-virus-fears
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 06, 2020, 03:12:46 PM
Well if SDCC cancels I hope they allow those with badges to apply them to the following year so we don't have to go though that process again or give us a choice of a full refund.

What will determine if they cancel is if the exhibitors start pulling out.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 06, 2020, 03:44:12 PM
Found an article that discusses the three phages of COVID-19:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/02/here-is-what-coronavirus-does-to-the-body/

It's a little scary that the third phase can result in permanent scars/holes in your lungs even if you manage to survive.

Also saw another interesting article on how to help decrease your risk of infection:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/01/how-coronavirus-spreads-on-a-plane/

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When an infected person coughs or sneezes, they shed droplets of saliva... These droplets are not affected by air flowing through a space, but instead fall fairly close to where they originate. According to Emily Landon, medical director of antimicrobial stewardship and infection control at the University of Chicago Medicine, the hospital’s guidelines for influenza define exposure as being within six feet of an infected person for 10 minutes or longer.
“Time and distance matters,” Landon says.

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What does that mean for airplanes?
The World Health Organization defines contact with an infected person as being seated within two rows of one another.

There's a graph/chart  in the article on the best seats to help decrease your risk.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 06, 2020, 07:53:36 PM
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Too soon to do that, but I get it.

I think if it's going to happen, it will happen sooner rather than later.  Just like with other cons, I think what will foreshadow it is large studios cancelling.  Those decisions aren't made at the last minute.  They make those decisions months in advance.  Some movies have already had their release dates pushed backed for months.  No reason to promote a film that won't be released for a while.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on March 06, 2020, 09:19:17 PM
This topic has been on my mind all day, given the cancelation of ECCC.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2020/03/06/cons-in-the-era-of-covid-19/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: imecoli on March 07, 2020, 11:09:17 AM
So they are laughing at us in Dubai
https://abc6onyourside.com/news/entertainment/with-hand-sanitizer-nearby-dubai-comic-con-laughs-at-virus-03-05-2020

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 07, 2020, 01:44:49 PM
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Today it's really coming close to home.  An AT&T store employee in San Diego has initially tested positive.  In the US, the process is two tests.  So the employees at a handful of San Diego AT&T stores are now under self quarantine.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/san-diego-county-at-t-store-workers-initial-coronavirus-test-comes-back-positive
FWIW this makes the 3rd known case in San Diego: with 2 known active cases (the 3rd fully recovered).

I think it's far more likely WonderCon will take a hit, and not Comic-Con.  And a CCI rep at the San Diego Comic Fest happening this weekend has been telling people that there are currently no plans to cancel WonderCon, and no worries of organizations pulling out.  That's for an event in about a month.
Plenty can change, of course, but I think even thinking about Comic-Con being canceled the first weekend of March is silly: panicy, even. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on March 07, 2020, 03:12:24 PM
For those who like to follow all the statistics related to coronavirus, I've found this site informative.  They also provide a list of their sources.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 08, 2020, 06:40:39 PM
I think this is the dashboard set up by Johns Hopkins to track exactly where coronavirus cases are.  In the US, it's tracked via county (which is all I've been monitoring, mostly looking at Southern CA though also following areas of friends and family throughout the country), while Canada has it by city or province, and I think the rest of the world is (mostly) just by country.  I think this is the best, and most accurate and it updates frequently.  Today, Sunday March 8, it's updated at least three times between about 8am-6:40pm PST.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Sakura17 on March 09, 2020, 10:22:51 AM
So I'm hoping that they don't cancel, but it is still 5 months away and anything can still happen. If they do cancel, will they refund us, or will we be able to get the same passes that we initially got for next year. That would save time and energy from next year's lottery.
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Post by: dcol on March 09, 2020, 10:47:55 AM
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So I'm hoping that they don't cancel, but it is still 5 months away and anything can still happen. If they do cancel, will they refund us, or will we be able to get the same passes that we initially got for next year. That would save time and energy from next year's lottery.
If cancelled SDCC should offer either option. But who knows?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 09, 2020, 11:25:47 AM
question, SDCC has ever been canceled before? for whatever reason but, it has happened before or not?
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Post by: dcol on March 09, 2020, 11:47:40 AM
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question, SDCC has ever been canceled before? for whatever reason but, it has happened before or not?
Not that I am aware of going to SDCC for many years, but then this looming pandemic was never an issue before.
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Post by: CarrieD on March 09, 2020, 12:00:56 PM
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I’m also going to the World Figure Skating Championships this year, which has a sizable contingent of both fans and athletes from affected countries.  Most of the Chinese team had been in North America since the beginning of the month and Hanyu (the biggest Japanese skating star) lives in Toronto

So far, the governing body has measures in place for the athletes and they are prepping the arena for the spectators.

Is this the one you are going to? https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-trying-to-determine-whether-to-cancel-world-figure-skating-championships-1.4845193
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RustyPonds on March 09, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
I wonder due to all this this uncertainty CCI will work with hotels to allow a longer/more robust refund period for downtown hotels. Come Hotepocalypse, we'll still be too far out to know what July holds...
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Post by: hikanteki on March 09, 2020, 12:25:44 PM
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I wonder due to all this this uncertainty CCI will work with hotels to allow a longer/more robust refund period for downtown hotels. Come Hotepocalypse, we'll still be too far out to know what July holds...

If SDCC gets cancelled, I assume all official hotel block reservations will be canceled and refunded. (This was the case with ECCC.)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2020, 12:51:41 PM
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Is this the one you are going to? https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-trying-to-determine-whether-to-cancel-world-figure-skating-championships-1.4845193

The thing they could do is hold the competition but not have any spectators.  That's what some other sporting events have done.
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Post by: dcol on March 09, 2020, 12:53:49 PM
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The thing they could do is hold the competition but not have any spectators.  That's what some other sporting events have done.
Not an option though for SDCC
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
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question, SDCC has ever been canceled before? for whatever reason but, it has happened before or not?

I just looked up the timeline, it's never been canceled.  It used to be held twice a year though.
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Post by: ALF on March 09, 2020, 12:57:40 PM
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Not an option though for SDCC


Hmmm Its possible..
Everything Hall H  can be web base and then online lottos for all your Funkos  :-\
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Post by: Transmute Jun on March 09, 2020, 01:00:39 PM
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Not an option though for SDCC

They could live-stream Hall H for everyone, just like they do with the 'secondary viewings' normally... but then, no studio footage,
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2020, 01:07:30 PM
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Not an option though for SDCC

I've brought it up before, VR.  I wish CCI would have VR feeds.  People already watch movies together in virtual theaters.  Some studios sponsor showings in VR.  The effect is very convincing down to people throwing popcorn at one another.  It would open up the convention to countless more people.  Have VR feeds for the panels.  Have VR feeds on the exhibit floor and sprinkled around the gaslamp.  CCI could sell a VR comic-con pass to pay for it.
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Post by: ALF on March 09, 2020, 01:19:21 PM
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I've brought it up before, VR.  I wish CCI would have VR feeds.  People already watch movies together in virtual theaters.  Some studios sponsor showings in VR.  The effect is very convincing down to people throwing popcorn at one another.  It would open up the convention to countless more people.  Have VR feeds for the panels.  Have VR feeds on the exhibit floor and sprinkled around the gaslamp.  CCI could sell a VR comic-con pass to pay for it.

Now you too can experience the Hall H line in the comfort of your own home... 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2020, 01:31:07 PM
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Now you too can experience the Hall H line in the comfort of your own home...

SXSW tweeted out they are going virtual for 2020.  If SXSW can do it, so can CCI.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 09, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
I'm only speaking for myself, of course, but if SDCC went virtual I would probably avoid it entirely. The "in-person" aspect of the con (not just the official programming, but the meetups, photoshoots, parties, etc) is practically the whole reason I go. It would be so disappointing to not be able to be there that I would just want to put my head down and forget it as much as possible.
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Post by: Devorah on March 09, 2020, 01:46:17 PM
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I'm only speaking for myself, of course, but if SDCC went virtual I would probably avoid it entirely. The "in-person" aspect of the con (not just the official programming, but the meetups, photoshoots, parties, etc) is practically the whole reason I go. It would be so disappointing to not be able to be there that I would just want to put my head down and forget it as much as possible.
Agree, the social aspect is my favorite part of SDCC. I wouldn’t want to “attend” if it was virtual. Certainly wouldn’t want to pay same as for in-person experience.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2020, 01:46:33 PM
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I'm only speaking for myself, of course, but if SDCC went virtual I would probably avoid it entirely. The "in-person" aspect of the con (not just the official programming, but the meetups, photoshoots, parties, etc) is practically the whole reason I go. It would be so disappointing to not be able to be there that I would just want to put my head down and forget it as much as possible.

I'm not saying that it should be VR only, but that it should have a VR presence.  So if you want to go in person, by all means go in person.  Having said that, why couldn't you do the meetups, photoshoots and parties in VR?  People already do all that.  There are VR bars people sit at drinking virtual drinks and meeting other real people.  As I said, people already watch movies together in virtual theaters.  People go "dancing" in virtual clubs.  Pretty much everything people do in the real world, they do in VR.  They also do plenty of things that can't be done in the real world.

It can be very convincing.  I can't travel as much as I used to.  I used to travel a lot.  So sometimes, I travel virtually using VR Google Earth.  It can be very convincing.  Especially when I go into little alleys of places I used to frequent.  I even recognize the people.

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Post by: semigeekgirl on March 09, 2020, 01:52:13 PM
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I'm not saying that it should be VR only, but that it should have a VR presence.  So if you want to go in person, by all means go in person.  Having said that, why couldn't you do the meetups, photoshoots and parties in VR?  People already do all that.  There are VR bars people sit at drinking virtual drinks and meeting other real people.  As I said, people already watch movies together in virtual theaters.  People go "dancing" in virtual clubs.  Pretty much everything people do in the real world, they do in VR.  They also do plenty of things that can't be done in the real world.

It can be very convincing.  I can't travel as much as I used to.  I used to travel a lot.  So sometimes, I travel virtually using VR Google Earth.  It can be very convincing.  Especially when I go into little alleys of places I used to frequent.  I even recognize the people.

I think that's fantastic if it works for you. And I agree VR is getting more and more realistic. It's just not "there" yet for me. And on a practical level, sure, you could do meet ups and parties in VR. But... I can already dance alone in my own house whenever I want. And... then I have to make my own drinks, which I don't particularly enjoy. It just takes away the special-ness for me. But obviously everyone will feel differently about that.

Personally I'm not sure I'll really be able to love VR until it gets to a Holodeck-level realism. Or at the very least until I can do it without goggles.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2020, 02:04:22 PM
In other breaking covid news, Italy is now on lockdown.  Not just the north but all of Italy.  The lockdown will be enforced by the Italian government.

Why wouldn't the same thing happen here?
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Post by: L3g3nd33 on March 09, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
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In other breaking covid news, Italy is now on lockdown.  Not just the north but all of Italy.  The lockdown will be enforced by the Italian government.

Why wouldn't the same thing happen here?

Because people are fully stocked with guns?
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Post by: rickythump on March 09, 2020, 03:21:39 PM
Although I don't think SDCC will be impacted that much by all of this, I think this is going to stretch out for longer than it could've been had we been proactive in the states. I have a feeling this is going to peak in April then fade out in late May. Feels like Wondercon is going to take the hit here.
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Post by: puppy on March 09, 2020, 04:33:11 PM
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Agree, the social aspect is my favorite part of SDCC. I wouldn’t want to “attend” if it was virtual. Certainly wouldn’t want to pay same as for in-person experience.


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Agreed. I would totally skip it if it went VR.
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Post by: Miss Kitty on March 09, 2020, 04:53:26 PM
The whole VR con would be devastating to artist alley and vendors that depend on impulse purchases and getting their name out.

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Post by: perc2100 on March 09, 2020, 05:41:03 PM
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I'm only speaking for myself, of course, but if SDCC went virtual I would probably avoid it entirely. The "in-person" aspect of the con (not just the official programming, but the meetups, photoshoots, parties, etc) is practically the whole reason I go. It would be so disappointing to not be able to be there that I would just want to put my head down and forget it as much as possible.
I agree; there are FAR too many panels, IMO, to do something like that.  I suspect just because 6500 of us don't mind camping out and watching Hall H panels many thousands more are not interested.  Who would decide which panels went live and which just were no longer going to be an option?  I think Hall H (and maybe Ballroom 20 and Indigo Ballroom) being live-streamed during physical SDCCI are a fabulous idea, footage and all, where appropriate (most Hall H footage nowadays is released online right after it's shown live, though sometimes panels do show full episodes or extended footage that may be problematic to livestream or whatnot).
SXSW is all about film & music events that make a lot more sense to stream, where as many of the SDCCI panels are interactive experiences that wouldn't feel the same via computer or VR.
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Post by: hikanteki on March 09, 2020, 07:07:39 PM
VR Comic-Con does not excite me either. I suppose it’s better than nothing but I love going to panels for the excitement in the room and, when applicable, the premieres/previews on a giant screen. But I don’t need a VR Comic-Con to watch something cool on my computer or TV.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2020, 08:21:36 PM
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VR Comic-Con does not excite me either. I suppose it’s better than nothing but I love going to panels for the excitement in the room and, when applicable, the premieres/previews on a giant screen. But I don’t need a VR Comic-Con to watch something cool on my computer or TV.

I wonder how many people here have actual experience with VR.  Things involving your phone don't count.  Since what you are describing as something that you love experiencing, is what happens in VR.  In VR it would be a giant screen.  You can also interact with the other people in VR watching it with you.

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The whole VR con would be devastating to artist alley and vendors that depend on impulse purchases and getting their name out.

That would mostly be true for vendors, but not so much for artists.  There could still be an artist alley in VR.  People could still look at artwork.  People could still buy artwork.  Instead of shipping it back home to yourself, the artist could ship it to you.  Vendors could do the same.

Why do people think it's either or?  It's either all physical or it's all VR.  Why can't it be both?  Did people stop going to baseball games when they started broadcasting them on TV?  As I said, people can go to comic-con physically but VR would open it up to many more people that can't.  There's no fire department limiting the number of VR tickets that CCI could sell.  There's no reason to think that a VR ticket would cost as much as a physical ticket.  Does a season of MLB TV cost as much as a season ticket to the local stadium?

So many people seem dead set against VR yet from the way they describe it, I get the impression they've never really experienced it.  VR is very social.  Some of the most popular apps are all social.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 09, 2020, 11:59:40 PM
The Tokyo Summer Olympics is still scheduled to take place this July, just that maybe there will be no audience/fans/spectators because of the coronavirus.
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/sports/olympics/coronavirus-tokyo.html
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 10, 2020, 12:01:11 AM
The Coachchella Music Festival may be postponed until October because of the coronavirus.
http://www.pe.com/2020/03/09/coachella-and-stagecoach-festivals-may-move-to-october-due-to-coronavirus-reports-say
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 10, 2020, 12:02:39 AM
The two evening game shows “Jeopardy!” and “Wheel of Fortune” will continue taping in Los Angeles, without a studio audience due to coronavirus.
http://apnews.com/df53968e1d90f7647c7ff1740e5b3bd7
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Post by: Catechie on March 10, 2020, 07:58:45 AM
This sounds like the right thing to do.
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If SDCC gets cancelled, I assume all official hotel block reservations will be canceled and refunded. (This was the case with ECCC.)

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Post by: dcol on March 10, 2020, 08:02:26 AM
Conan at SDCC will probably do the same
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Post by: perc2100 on March 10, 2020, 08:10:08 AM
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If SDCC gets cancelled, I assume all official hotel block reservations will be canceled and refunded. (This was the case with ECCC.)
That seems plausible if hotels are booked through Comic-Con's process (like ECCC); hotels not booked through CCI's process could be dicier, and hostels or B&B's seem substantially more difficult & one would need to hope that the owners of the businesses are cool/understanding.
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Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 10, 2020, 08:28:00 AM
IF SDCC is cancelled, as long as there isn't a major our break in San Diego, I'm still taking my trip. A vacation is a vacation.
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Post by: marcia29 on March 10, 2020, 08:34:44 AM
Travel insurance is looking real good right about now. Wonder if rates have gone up?
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Post by: perc2100 on March 10, 2020, 11:11:14 AM
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IF SDCC is cancelled, as long as there isn't a major our break in San Diego, I'm still taking my trip. A vacation is a vacation.
Yeah, I still think it's waaaaaaaaaay to early about Comic-Con getting canceled (WonderCon? Now's a good time to start worrying about that [in a different thread, of course]).  I do love my city that time of year!
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 10, 2020, 12:07:07 PM
The National Guard will be deployed to help out in the quarantine zone in New York.  I think that's the first containment area in the US.  I don't think it will be the last.
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Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 10, 2020, 12:15:02 PM
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/comic-con-officials-say-san-diego-convention-wondercon-in-anaheim-still-on-at-this-time-in-light-of-coronavirus-spread?fbclid=IwAR1pgBkmDYLDGnUUFH0kKCQKWmT2jyS-sWXnI4FJQDLiGO5YNr-8NpPf-aU
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Post by: ALF on March 10, 2020, 04:07:10 PM
If i have to based my opinion solely on the offering of Hallmark this year.
I am pretty sure its being cancel.. Wow this is the most underwhelming set of ornaments in years.
Yikes a man in drag and a ball of fur...
https://sdccblog.com/2020/03/hallmark-san-diego-comic-con-2020-exclusives/
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Post by: Mario Wario on March 10, 2020, 06:25:27 PM
Looks like E3 2020 has been cancelled. That’s the buzz going around the gaming industry, announcement incoming soon.

Link: https://twitter.com/Futterish/status/1237547090110111744?s=20

Do note that E3 is in June.
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Post by: imecoli on March 10, 2020, 06:41:32 PM
Coachella and Stage Coach have rescheduled...

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Post by: chocolateshake on March 10, 2020, 06:45:29 PM
Here's an article talking about the cancellations at the San Diego Convention Center.  They do point out that comic-con is still planned to happen.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/mar/10/convention-center-loses-two-conference-due-coronav/

Both UCSD and SDSU have joined other universities and canceled in person classes.  They will be online instead.
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Post by: Jason on March 10, 2020, 08:05:16 PM
As of now I am still planning to go to SDCC but assuming it will not happen. Maybe my wife and I will still head to California and do four days in LA or something.
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Post by: imecoli on March 11, 2020, 06:39:24 AM
I would be wary of LA if you are concerned about Corona virus. Once the homeless population in LA has an outbreak it will spread like wildfire. If you're not worried about it then have a nice time, hopefully SDCC wont be canceled.  I guess Wondercon will be the acid test.

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Post by: alyssa on March 11, 2020, 08:12:22 AM
an interesting utube with a guy that looks at med infrastructure and responses to situations,
Infectious Disease Expert Michael Osterholm Explains. My take away is that the situation will be with us for 3-6 months. It's not a earthquake/snowstorm situation but a plague. Dr Osterholm believes Corona will reemerge in China when the social separation is relaxed.

https://youtu.be/cZFhjMQrVts

this is the follow up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6IgMdsZHbM
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Post by: L3g3nd33 on March 11, 2020, 09:09:21 AM
E3 officially cancelled now  :(
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Post by: jon.reynolds on March 11, 2020, 09:47:17 AM
I'm blown away that they decided to cancel E3 already. I don't even know what to think about it.
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Post by: Mario Wario on March 11, 2020, 09:52:22 AM
According to WHO, the COVID-19 outbreak is now a pandemic. Took them long enough...  ::)
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Post by: CptMyCpt24 on March 11, 2020, 10:15:10 AM
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I'm blown away that they decided to cancel E3 already. I don't even know what to think about it.
Totally confused about this but maybe we’ll get our gaming info sooner.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 11, 2020, 11:27:18 AM
San Francisco has banned gatherings larger than 1000 people.  I think this is how Wondercon and comic-con will go.  As I've said, in the end it won't be up to CCI.

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According to WHO, the COVID-19 outbreak is now a pandemic. Took them long enough...  ::)

It's semantics.  I remember listening to a WHO rep answer why it hadn't been declared yet and there were reasons not to.  As usual, most having to do with money.  They were saving the declaration for the right time.

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Dr Osterholm believes Corona will reemerge in China when the social separation is relaxed.

That's what happened during the Spanish Flu.  China is preparing for it.  While they have closed the field hospitals, they are adding beds to normal hospitals.  They anticipate a rise in cases once the lock down ends.  Which should happen any day now.
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Post by: debster on March 11, 2020, 05:54:40 PM
Paleyfest is postponed, it was supposed to start on Friday.
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Post by: debster on March 11, 2020, 06:28:01 PM
Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have gotten sick in Australia:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9nVasnBNF5/?igshid=ygz17ptdn9g9
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 11, 2020, 06:40:33 PM
NBA season to be suspended after tonight.
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Post by: Michaelnaut on March 11, 2020, 06:41:45 PM
Per the reports now, two players tested positive...crazy
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Post by: Jason on March 11, 2020, 06:59:12 PM
At this point I am going to proceed as if the con is happening - saving money, keeping my PTO request active, arranging for someone to stay with our cats - but I am assuming that the con will be cancelled unless something changes quickly. I hope if they do cancel that CCI gives us the option to roll our tickets to 2021 instead of needing to try returning registration again. If things don’t change soon I would assume no celebrities would even want to attend the show even if it isn’t cancelled.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 11, 2020, 08:45:06 PM
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Per the reports now, two players tested positive...crazy

Did you see the footage from the Monday press conference where the player that tested positive today mocked the situation by touching everything he could to spread his germs around?
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Post by: omraged9 on March 11, 2020, 08:56:12 PM
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Did you see the footage from the Monday press conference where the player that tested positive today mocked the situation by touching everything he could to spread his germs around?

Yeah that was disgusting. What an idiot. I'm pretty sure the NBA will fine him. Hopefully they give that money to the people in the room whose mics were potentially contaminated by him. Not to mention potential lawsuits coming his way too.
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Post by: taka on March 11, 2020, 09:57:27 PM
NBA is no joke, I think WC and SDCC will be canceled in their right time, as someone said or posted some news about it, they must be waiting for the government to force cancelations of big gatherings so their insurance kick in
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Post by: accelerate on March 11, 2020, 10:03:13 PM
Honestly, at this point, I’m actually okay with them cancelling SDCC. But I say that entirely for selfish reasons. Last year, I felt a huge SDCC burnout, and it would be nice to take a year off. But of course I still got badges because more years than not, I needed both Returning AND Open Reg to secure badges. Also, none of my group of friends will be there this year (other commitments, like, oh, possibly going to the Olympics — which itself may be postponed — or having a baby). I’d still enjoy myself at SDCC, but it isn’t the same without at least a couple of my friends going. But if they cancel SDCC, *and* allow us to rollover to 2021, well, frankly I wouldn’t mind having to not go through the yearly chaos that is Returning / Open Registration.
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Post by: cciveg on March 11, 2020, 10:11:40 PM
I can't see Wonder or CCI happening. Between the ban on gatherings and restricted travel, I don't see it.
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Post by: omraged9 on March 12, 2020, 01:01:15 AM
I'm expecting SDCC to be cancelled too. The only thing that can probably save it is if the drug trials for various medications go well, gets fast-tracked for FDA approval and the fatality rate decreases greatly from the medication. I'm hoping the drug trial results for Remdesivir and even hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) look good, the first being the most promising antiviral and the second being the cheapest and most readily available drug out there that supposedly has potential antiviral properties and can help with lessening the immunity overreaction. If there's anything I could hoard right now besides hand sanitizer, toilet paper, water or whatever, it's Plaquenil.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 12, 2020, 01:16:42 AM
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I'm expecting SDCC to be cancelled too. The only thing that can probably save it is if the drug trials for various medications go well, gets fast-tracked for FDA approval and the fatality rate decreases greatly from the medication. I'm hoping the drug trial results for Remdesivir and even hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) look good, the first being the most promising antiviral and the second being the cheapest and most readily available drug out there that supposedly has potential antiviral properties and can help with lessening the immunity overreaction. If there's anything I could hoard right now besides hand sanitizer, toilet paper, water or whatever, it's Plaquenil.

No matter how fast the track, FDA approval will not come before comic-con.  Drugs do not get approved that fast.  That's for a new drug.  Existing drugs can be prescribed off label by doctors.  A drug meant for one use can be prescribed for another use.
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Post by: loubert on March 12, 2020, 05:02:13 AM
The CA governor is officially recommending there be no gatherings of more than 250 people. Right now, that recommendation goes through the end of March. Here's the document that explains the details of the recommendation. https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH%20Document%20Library/Gathering_Guidance_03.11.20.pdf
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Post by: imecoli on March 12, 2020, 05:10:36 AM
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The CA governor is officially recommending there be no gatherings of more than 250 people. Right now, that recommendation goes through the end of March. Here's the document that explains the details of the recommendation. https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH%20Document%20Library/Gathering_Guidance_03.11.20.pdf
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Post by: puppy on March 12, 2020, 07:21:49 AM
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I am quite happy with it. It takes the pressure off people who don't want to hold events, who go through with it because so much money is involved.
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Post by: ALF on March 12, 2020, 09:20:07 AM
(In the voice of Wicked Witch of the West...)"My 401K its melting... melting.........
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Post by: semigeekgirl on March 12, 2020, 09:33:03 AM
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I am quite happy with it. It takes the pressure off people who don't want to hold events, who go through with it because so much money is involved.

I'm not happy with it, exactly, but I think it's probably the right course of action. I'm struggling with 'social distancing' myself since most of the things I've been looking forward to are social events, but I know that's selfish. And @puppy (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8132) is quite right - the State announcing a policy will help organizers who have to cancel events recoup some of their investments through their insurance policies. Some (though each policy is different) pay out if an event is forced to cancel, but not if they choose to cancel - no matter how necessary that "choice" ends up being.
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Post by: SteveD on March 12, 2020, 09:58:55 AM
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(In the voice of Wicked Witch of the West...)"My 401K its melting... melting.........
I certainly picked a bad month to retire  :'(
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Post by: alyssa on March 12, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
interesting article on how the actual tests work

https://www.livescience.com/how-coronavirus-tests-work.html

if someone thinks they may have had the virus, there's only one test.
 
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A serological test is advantageous because it can detect antibodies even if a patient has recovered, whereas a PCR test can detect the virus only if the person is currently sick. However, both tests might miss cases if samples are taken too early, when the viral load is too low or if the person's body hasn't produced antibodies against the virus yet, Adalja said.

i am just glad i took a chunk of money out of the market & paid off my motorcycle just before the crash @SteveD (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3710)
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Post by: tsnyder on March 12, 2020, 11:30:50 AM
I'm pretty confident SDCC is going to be fine.  While I'm certainly not any type of expert thought I read about this virus not being able to survive in temperatures over like 75 or something.  As we roll into
Spring/Summer believe it is going to play itself out.  By July don't think will be an issue anymore.
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Post by: Sakura17 on March 12, 2020, 11:35:34 AM
So wonder con is now postponed.
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Post by: taka on March 12, 2020, 12:00:08 PM
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I'm pretty confident SDCC is going to be fine.  While I'm certainly not any type of expert thought I read about this virus not being able to survive in temperatures over like 75 or something.  As we roll into
Spring/Summer believe it is going to play itself out.  By July don't think will be an issue anymore.

even if the temperature theory is true, the problem is when one hemisphere get into spring/summer the other other goes fall/winter and this could be a never ending cycle if we dont act together.

That being said SDCC is a long way, I think hotelpocalypse is happening  and if SDCC gets canceled it will be in may/june... unless the real apocalypse come in the next months that is
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 12, 2020, 12:08:10 PM
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I'm pretty confident SDCC is going to be fine.  While I'm certainly not any type of expert thought I read about this virus not being able to survive in temperatures over like 75 or something.  As we roll into
Spring/Summer believe it is going to play itself out.  By July don't think will be an issue anymore.

I suggest you stop trusting anything from where you read that from.  Since the human body is well over 75.  The virus survives just fine inside the human body.

I think we should put the hope of warmer weather saving us to bed.  That is the real fake news.  It's the summer in the southern hemisphere right now.  The virus is surviving just fine in Australia.  The virus is surviving just fine in Singapore where the weather is in the 90's.
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Post by: Jason on March 12, 2020, 12:08:50 PM
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even if the temperature theory is true, the problem is when one hemisphere get into spring/summer the other other goes fall/winter and this could be a never ending cycle if we dont act together.

That being said SDCC is a long way, I think hotelpocalypse is happening  and if SDCC gets canceled it will be in may/june... unless the real apocalypse come in the next months that is

If they are leaning towards cancelling they should do it before Hotelpocalypse to save themselves the hours of needing to refund thousands of people's deposits.
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Post by: alyssa on March 12, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
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If they are leaning towards cancelling they should do it before Hotelpocalypse to save themselves the hours of needing to refund thousands of people's deposits.

there is a theory hypothesis floating about that hotelpocalypse may be later then usual to let irl issues sort themselves out a bit.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 12, 2020, 12:23:17 PM
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 12, 2020, 12:55:44 PM
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Living in CA, most of us do.  That's why he's the governor.

emotions are raw, please lets not get into a political conversation today- thank you both!
There's a LOT to manage here & irl & we really don't want to deal with politics today LOL
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: aodmisery on March 12, 2020, 01:34:54 PM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/wondercon-has-officially-been-postponed/1100-6474723/

Wondercon officially postponed to a later date. No word on comic Con yet
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 12, 2020, 01:43:45 PM
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i am just glad i took a chunk of money out of the market & paid off my motorcycle just before the crash @SteveD (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3710)

I wish I had done the same.  Now it's too late to sell, too early to buy and too scary to look.  I'm a stock market junky but today I didn't even bother to check my portfolio.  What's the point?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 12, 2020, 02:08:39 PM
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I wish I had done the same.  Now it's too late to sell, too early to buy and too scary to look.  I'm a stock market junky but today I didn't even bother to check my portfolio.  What's the point?

it was just luck - & not wanting to pay cc interest rates
but i hear u, i dread looking at my portfolio
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on March 12, 2020, 02:32:51 PM
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it was just luck - & not wanting to pay cc interest rates
but i hear u, i dread looking at my portfolio

Tough to even think about my portfolio.  Thankfully I worry a lot.  They moved my job out of state last October and I decided not to move with it.   Am trying to see if I can make early retirement work (2 years early), but kept enough in a cash account so that I don't need to touch the investments for 3 years.  As long as the market comes back by 2023 I'll be ok.  If not, then I'm pretty much screwed, but I figure if things are that bad I won't be alone.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 12, 2020, 03:26:12 PM
The county of San Diego just banned any gathering of more than 250 people through the end of the month.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 12, 2020, 03:50:53 PM
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The county of San Diego just banned any gathering of more than 250 people through the end of the month.
all the SD community college classes that can be on-line will be.
my linux class at 7:30am is ready to go online exclusively using a shell and Zoom. When we spoke about it in class yesterday, i suggested perhaps a later start time!!
he countered with 8am- i responded with 9am... i'll keep everyone updated on the eventual time. Because i know that's important to everyone LOL

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 12, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
an interesting article in the nytimes about why we need to slow down the infection rate of corvoid

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/11/science/11SCI-VIRUS-CURVE1/11SCI-VIRUS-TRACKER1-jumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)

Flattening the Coronavirus Curve
One chart explains why slowing the spread of the infection is nearly as important as stopping it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/science/coronavirus-curve-mitigation-infection.html?smid=fb-nytscience&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR1ldviGWd2dxo-KbTqyuT1V1Ypjp4Rm5CqtazDS5CvUBAZFUIi0o_CTI8I
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 12, 2020, 10:58:20 PM
That's the point I've tried to make a couple of times.  I don't think anyone thinks we can eradicate covid at this point.  The goal is to delay it.  We need to prevent a surge that overwhelms hospitals.  We need to delay it at least until flu season wanes since the flu itself puts a huge strain on US hospitals.  In particular it uses up a critical resource, ventilators.  There are only so many in the US.  Right now people with the flu are using most of them up.  If there's a surge of covid patients, then hard decisions would have to be made.  That's why it's critical to delay.  Even if every single person gets infected at some point, it's much better that happens as a trickle than as a flood.

Time will also allow for more resources and hopefully therapies to be gathered.  China is sending 10,000 ventilators to Italy.  If time allows us to bulk up the number we have that would save a lot of people.

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my linux class at 7:30am is ready to go online exclusively using a shell and Zoom.

That's inhumane. :)  Why so early?  A school should teach not only skills but the culture of work.  I have never worked in a place that scheduled meetings earlier than 10am.  Plenty of midnight meetings but never 7:30am ones.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 13, 2020, 01:27:47 AM
I agree with the whole flattening the curve. We may all eventually get sick, BUT we need to spread it out so hospitals have enough resources to deal with the severe cases. So don’t think, hey I’ll get sick anyway and I’ll most likely survive. Think, the less people that are sick at any given time, the better we can weather the storm.

Back on topic, I’ve already resigned myself to there being no SDCC. I feel the big tipping point will be the Olympics which is the same week. If that gets moved, there’s almost no way SDCC doesn’t follow suit. But I also don’t see SDCC being able to reschedule, unlike what the Olympics will probably do. But I really hope we all get a chance to defer to next year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on March 13, 2020, 09:04:43 AM
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I agree with the whole flattening the curve. We may all eventually get sick, BUT we need to spread it out so hospitals have enough resources to deal with the severe cases. So don’t think, hey I’ll get sick anyway and I’ll most likely survive. Think, the less people that are sick at any given time, the better we can weather the storm.

Back on topic, I’ve already resigned myself to there being no SDCC. I feel the big tipping point will be the Olympics which is the same week. If that gets moved, there’s almost no way SDCC doesn’t follow suit. But I also don’t see SDCC being able to reschedule, unlike what the Olympics will probably do. But I really hope we all get a chance to defer to next year.

I fear you are correct about the Olympics being the "tipping point." I'm not sure it's completely apples to apples, but the precedent of having that high profile of an event cancellation will be too much for other events like SDCC to ignore.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rickythump on March 13, 2020, 10:10:40 AM
I'm not so sure that CCI will follow suit with whatever the Olympics decide to do. They are way too different on the spectrum of event types. Olympics is something that millions of people attend every four years in a different place, where as SDCC is a yearly event in one specific location (in which their economy has become accustomed today) with significantly less people. They are just two different beasts.

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Why?  How long is flu season?  It's a few months.  Also with viral outbreaks like this, it tends to come in waves.  A second wave after the first generally happens a few months later.  Right in time for comic-con.

I say that we'll have bigger problems at hand because if four months passes and we are still in a place where large event gatherings are banned - then we will be in the darkest timeline and attending SDCC will be a low priority for everyone due to living through an economic depression at that scale.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on March 13, 2020, 10:13:26 AM
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I'm not so sure that CCI will follow suit with whatever the Olympics decide to do. They are way too different on the spectrum of event types. Olympics is something that millions of people attend every four years in a different place, where as SDCC is a yearly event in one specific location (in which their economy has become accustomed today) with significantly less people. They are just two different beasts.
I pray that you’re right.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rickythump on March 13, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
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I pray that you’re right.

I mean... things could always get worse. And without getting overly political, it seems like this administration is incredibly lacking (to say the least), and that its likely that things do get worse in the coming weeks before they will get better.

But its important to remember, that if we are projecting a timeline where SDCC is canceled - then what does the American life look like that that point? Millions of people in travel and service industry jobs will likely be out of work, the economy will have collapsed, and (at the risk of sounding like a doomer) we might be living in some state of anarchy.

So at that time, when CCI announces that SDCC will be canceled, I imagine it would be the last things on peoples mind. Few would even care about attending.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 13, 2020, 10:45:01 AM
My guess is SDCC will cancel just after the refund time expires. That way they get to charge 10% on the people freaking out. I say wait it out, don't ask now for refund.
And then the mess is those in groups where someone else actually paid. I just hope they allow us to keep our badges for 2021. By then there will be a vaccine and hopefully a more responsible White House.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jason on March 13, 2020, 11:05:40 AM
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My guess is SDCC will cancel just after the refund time expires. That way they get to charge 10% on the people freaking out. I say wait it out, don't ask now for refund.
And then the mess is those in groups where someone else actually paid. I just hope they allow us to keep our badges for 2021. By then there will be a vaccine and hopefully a more responsible White House.

If SDCC cancels right after the refund time and then doesn't give full refunds they would be in for a massive class action lawsuit and they would certainly lose. There is zero reason for them to do that.

If SDCC does cancel, it would be to cut down on spreading the virus. Normal life will resume in the next month or so, but right now the priority is to stop the virus from spreading so the medical community is not overwhelmed and so we can get enough testing kits in place.

The Olympics cancelling isn't even really down to the games themselves so much - all of the qualifying events are bound to be affected by these cancellations and limitations on gatherings, and then you have an issue when the games roll around and people were never able to qualify and committees start picking teams without people qualifying.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 13, 2020, 11:25:38 AM
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If SDCC cancels right after the refund time and then doesn't give full refunds they would be in for a massive class action lawsuit and they would certainly lose. There is zero reason for them to do that.

If SDCC does cancel, it would be to cut down on spreading the virus. Normal life will resume in the next month or so, but right now the priority is to stop the virus from spreading so the medical community is not overwhelmed and so we can get enough testing kits in place.

The Olympics cancelling isn't even really down to the games themselves so much - all of the qualifying events are bound to be affected by these cancellations and limitations on gatherings, and then you have an issue when the games roll around and people were never able to qualify and committees start picking teams without people qualifying.

You are probably right about the class action lawsuit, but from my experience the lawyers get most of the money. You only see a small percentage of it.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 13, 2020, 11:52:20 AM
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My guess is SDCC will cancel just after the refund time expires. That way they get to charge 10% on the people freaking out. I say wait it out, don't ask now for refund.
And then the mess is those in groups where someone else actually paid. I just hope they allow us to keep our badges for 2021. By then there will be a vaccine and hopefully a more responsible White House.

I have much more faith in CCI.  I firmly believe they will do the right thing.  Whether they cancel now, next week, next month or a day before comic-con starts due to covid, they will make people whole.

As has been discussed, it's probably better for them to cancel once there's a government decree covering that time period. Then the insurance kicks in. Voluntarily canceling now would probably not be covered by their insurance.

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The Olympics cancelling isn't even really down to the games themselves so much - all of the qualifying events are bound to be affected by these cancellations and limitations on gatherings, and then you have an issue when the games roll around and people were never able to qualify and committees start picking teams without people qualifying.

The few reports I've seen is that there is a struggle between the Japanese Olympic Committee and the International Olympic Committee.  The JOC wants to postpone.  The IOC doesn't.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 13, 2020, 12:08:44 PM
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I say that we'll have bigger problems at hand because if four months passes and we are still in a place where large event gatherings are banned - then we will be in the darkest timeline and attending SDCC will be a low priority for everyone due to living through an economic depression at that scale.

I wouldn't say darkest.  China is on it's fourth month right now.  Yes, the economy has taken a hit but they have found ways to work around it even in cities under a full lockdown.  Home delivery has been a way of life in China for years.  You cant get anything delivered in China in a few minutes from shoelaces to airline tickets.  If you are cooking dinner in China and run out of bottled water, you order some on an app and it's at your door in a few minutes.  People took full advantage of that during the lockdown.  Home deliveries is how people kept going.  They could still get their favorite food delivered.  They even have a new procedure where the delivery person keeps 6 feet away from the customer at all times.  With the food comes documentation of the temperature of the cook and the driver.

Widespread testing is key to all this.  Then sick people can stay home and well people can carry on with their lives.  They can keep the economy going.  That's what Korea has done and they've been able to tackle covid without widespread lockdowns.

There are ways to adapt to a new normal.  There are ways to keep the economy going.  This isn't the first time.  The Spanish Flu went on for the better part 2 years.  The economy kept going.  The world kept spinning.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 13, 2020, 12:35:29 PM
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I wouldn't say darkest.  China is on it's fourth month right now.  Yes, the economy has taken a hit but they have found ways to work around it even in cities under a full lockdown.  Home delivery has been a way of life in China for years.  You cant get anything delivered in China in a few minutes from shoelaces to airline tickets.  If you are cooking dinner in China and run out of bottled water, you order some on an app and it's at your door in a few minutes.  People took full advantage of that during the lockdown.  Home deliveries is how people kept going.  They could still get their favorite food delivered.  They even have a new procedure where the delivery person keeps 6 feet away from the customer at all times.  With the food comes documentation of the temperature of the cook and the driver.

Widespread testing is key to all this.  Then sick people can stay home and well people can carry on with their lives.  They can keep the economy going.  That's what Korea has done and they've been able to tackle covid without widespread lockdowns.

There are ways to adapt to a new normal.  There are ways to keep the economy going.  This isn't the first time.  The Spanish Flu went on for the better part 2 years.  The economy kept going.  The world kept spinning.


these are wise words, the world will keep spinning, we must remain calm and do our part, we will be thru this, its true everything seems to be bad news but hey, it only took like 8 hrs with a suspended NHL and the canadians already isolated the virust and are on a good way to have a vaccine
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on March 13, 2020, 12:48:09 PM
I would think CCI would fully refund badges if cancelled ....but looking at other events cancelled so far I would not guarantee it.
For example:
SXSW: No refund on badges, instead you can use them for a future year (3 year window)
Disney World: No refund on passes, extended the window you can use your passes.  Full refund on resort stay.
MLB Spring Training: Refund of ticket price, no refund of ticket fees

I'm sure there are more examples, those are just three that have effected me so far.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 13, 2020, 02:29:05 PM
On one hand, I rather them decide sooner than later so folks can make other plans or focus their attention on more pressing matters, and we're not left hanging in the balance, especially since we still have to deal with hotel sales (which I could see them pushing back into May, the latest it'll ever be). And I'm sure studios and professionals would like to know sooner rather than later if they need to adjust their schedules. And yet I want them to hold off on making a decision as to not be too hasty. Like if they cancel now, but there's a miraculous turnaround by June/July and things are for the most part all-clear.

I just know I do not want to be on the CCI board making such tough decisions.

I'll re-iterate what I said before: if they take the cancellation route, they absolutely should allow 2020 attendees to defer. But I'm sure that those didn't get badges for this year would be quite unhappy if everyone got to defer, so I understand that side of the coin too. Messy situation all around.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 13, 2020, 02:49:02 PM
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these are wise words, the world will keep spinning, we must remain calm and do our part, we will be thru this, its true everything seems to be bad news but hey, it only took like 8 hrs with a suspended NHL and the canadians already isolated the virust and are on a good way to have a vaccine

I think there are a few other companies with vaccines made but they still need another year to do tests to make sure they're efficacious and also safe too. So I wouldn't put much hope on vaccines coming out until next year. My hope is for drug treatment that can lessen the severity of the disease.

Regarding CCI's ability to refund, if they do end up cancelling this year's con, I would prefer if they transfer this year's purchase for next year's badges instead of getting a refund. So I'm not really worried about CCI's decision either way. I trust them to not take the money and run. Hotel sales with OnPeak is a whole 'nother issue though. I presume if OnPeak can refund properly for Wondercon this year, they should be able to refund for SDCC as well. We'll see how they handle the refunds for Wondercon hotels soon.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 13, 2020, 02:56:20 PM
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Disney World: No refund on passes, extended the window you can use your passes.  Full refund on resort stay.

to the best of my knowledge, Disney is NOT extending annual passholder passes. Mine was scheduled to end at the end of May, and it is still scheduled to end at the end of May.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on March 13, 2020, 06:00:25 PM
DisneyWorld *IS* extending annual passes for the length of the shutdown. Not sure if Disneyland is doing the same.

(https://i.imgur.com/OenuCtz.png)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on March 13, 2020, 08:14:11 PM
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DisneyWorld *IS* extending annual passes for the length of the shutdown. Not sure if Disneyland is doing the same.

(https://i.imgur.com/OenuCtz.png)
It’s the same for Disneyland, I just got the email. :)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 14, 2020, 12:17:31 AM
In a turn of events, Apple is closing all it's stores outside of China until March 27.  All stores inside of China are open again.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 14, 2020, 05:03:25 AM
Yeah tj and Mario, I got the email a couple of hrs after I posted.
Glad to see they're accommodating the AP holders.
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: teriqueen on March 14, 2020, 06:08:35 AM
The Dallas Fan Expo is rescheduling and offering badge holders these options:

Transfer tickets to FAN EXPO Dallas June 19 – 21 dates
Transfer tickets to FAN EXPO Dallas 2021 (May 14 – 16)
A full refund (excluding service fees - please allow up to 12 weeks)

I haven't been since I moved out of Texas, but I think the attendance has ranged between 50,000 and 100,000 in the last 5 years or so. It's not quite SDCC-big, but I figure that if these options are manageable at those numbers, SDCC should be able to do the same.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 14, 2020, 12:11:31 PM
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The whole VR con would be devastating to artist alley and vendors that depend on impulse purchases and getting their name out.

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Here's an online artist alley for Wondercon.  Wouldn't a VR one would be more engaging and thus more likely to spur impulse purchases?

https://sdccblog.com/2020/03/wondercon-online-2020-artists-alley/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 14, 2020, 12:42:30 PM
Maybe. I think the largest barrier is getting people to logon and check it out in the first place. Also, is VR really that prevalent? I think I only know one person that has a setup.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 14, 2020, 01:34:49 PM
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Maybe. I think the largest barrier is getting people to logon and check it out in the first place. Also, is VR really that prevalent? I think I only know one person that has a setup.

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The big driver is if an entire con is in VR, people would be on for that.  Just like at a regular con.  Do many people go to comic-con just for artist alley?

VR is growing rapidly.  It's big enough in entertainment that Variety covers it.  Here's an article describing the use on Steam.  It doesn't include companies like Sony which has sold 5,000,000 VR headsets.  Those numbers also don't include headsets like the Oculus Go and the Quest .  The Quest is the current "it" headset since it's the first wireless headset with a full VR experience.

https://www.roadtovr.com/steam-survey-vr-headset-growth-january-2020/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 14, 2020, 06:08:45 PM
Doubt CCI would 'take the money and run'.

Thatd be huge crap storm.

There are other events justvas big if not bigger that are having to cancel. Theyll have to refund as well.

Part of me just wants it cancelled now because even if it does still go on I imagine even more studios would back out then they did last year.



Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 14, 2020, 06:19:56 PM
The flipside is, if all this does settle down so that SDCC *does* happen, it could mean a larger amount of studios/exhibitors/etc. as the previous cons were all cancelled...

It's a thought...
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: angoradebs on March 14, 2020, 07:43:33 PM
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The flipside is, if all this does settle down so that SDCC *does* happen, it could mean a larger amount of studios/exhibitors/etc. as the previous cons were all cancelled...

It's a thought...

Or a smaller amount... a lot of tv shows and movies shut down production this week. In July, they might not have anything to show. And/or they might not be willing to take off from their production to attend SDCC.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 14, 2020, 09:19:09 PM
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Or a smaller amount... a lot of tv shows and movies shut down production this week. In July, they might not have anything to show. And/or they might not be willing to take off from their production to attend SDCC.

This is more likely.

These ahows and movies would also have to start shooting again at some point so they may just cancel cons to shoot.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 15, 2020, 12:26:34 AM
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This is more likely.

These ahows and movies would also have to start shooting again at some point so they may just cancel cons to shoot.

I agree. Also, I don’t think we’ll even know whether or not SDCC can happen until at least May or June. That won’t be much time for the studios to be able to get something together.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 15, 2020, 03:16:31 AM
I agree with the above. I think you MAY get far less studio presence as studios will be scrambling to get back on schedule with filming. On the flip side, movies that were supposed to come out before SDCC but were rescheduled -- like No Time to Die -- may come out for extra publicity. So, in some ways, it's possible whether SDCC actually happens may depend on how many studios can actually still commit to coming. Of course, if this was a decade or two ago, it wouldn't matter how many studios come, since SDCC was more about comics and its creators than the Hollywood-centric con that it is now. Who knows, maybe this is a chance to SDCC to go back to its roots? I'm pretty sure if SDCC does go on as planned, they will still get most of their already-committed artists and exhibitors to come -- though some may have conflicts to other cons that have been re-scheduled.

Another consideration are the local establishments. I remember reading more than a few restaurants and shops depend on Comic Con week for a boost in sales, and if it doesn't happen, they'd be in big trouble. So if we're past COVID-19 and we're on our way to recovery, Comic Con may have to happen despite lack of studio presence, just for the influx of attendees with money to spend.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 15, 2020, 10:25:39 AM
We all must face the realization that if SDCC does happen this year it will be a disappointment. My god, they don't even know how bad it is yet with no wide spread testing.
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 15, 2020, 04:09:57 PM
Gotta also keep in mind the international travelers. Who knows what Flight closures will be going on at that time.

Thats a good chunk of SDCC's audience
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 15, 2020, 05:01:31 PM
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Gotta also keep in mind the international travelers. Who knows what Flight closures will be going on at that time.

Thats a good chunk of SDCC's audience

Not really...while there are attendees from over 80 countries, it's still a tiny fraction of total attendance.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mark on March 15, 2020, 05:05:33 PM
One of the bellwethers I've been keeping an eye on are the announcements by things like travel companies. I think the latest date I've seen so far has been April 30th from Hilton, in that any existing bookings you have with an arrival date <= 4/30 or any bookings you make from now to 4/30 can be cancelled.

We have a big europe trip planned for late June/early July that we're trying to figure out what to do about.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 15, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
I'm still thinking on the positive side here...It's on, and it'll be great as always, until it's not.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 15, 2020, 05:31:34 PM
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One of the bellwethers I've been keeping an eye on are the announcements by things like travel companies. I think the latest date I've seen so far has been April 30th from Hilton, in that any existing bookings you have with an arrival date <= 4/30 or any bookings you make from now to 4/30 can be cancelled.

We have a big europe trip planned for late June/early July that we're trying to figure out what to do about.

American Airlines has cut it's international flights until May 6th.

https://news.yahoo.com/american-airlines-cuts-long-haul-175636420.html

The UK is preparing it's people for a peak in 3 months.  That's the peak, not the end of the epidemic.  Gaussian curve.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/uk-governments-coronavirus-advice-and-why-it-gave-it
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jason on March 15, 2020, 06:17:47 PM
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We all must face the realization that if SDCC does happen this year it will be a disappointment. My god, they don't even know how bad it is yet with no wide spread testing.

And let’s be completely honest - SDCC (and really, any con) is not full of people following the guidelines for staying safe. A lot of people skip bathing, let alone constant hand washing, and I probably get bumped in to or touched 40+ times a day.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 15, 2020, 07:18:27 PM
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We have a big europe trip planned for late June/early July that we're trying to figure out what to do about.

I am/was in the same boat. I had been planning on attending a friend's destination in Sicily, Italy in late June. They haven't officially given the announcement that they're cancelling, but they've privately told me they've already begun to get the ball rolling on the process. Luckily, I hadn't actually booked my flight yet. Only hotel. And regarding that, my friend actually did the booking, so there's not much for me to do.

Back on topic, I do feel bad for all the artists who depend on all the cons for income. I will probably start visiting various artists' webpages and buying prints / commissions instead of waiting until going to a con.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Roo_bear on March 15, 2020, 08:08:33 PM
I’m operating under the assumption that sdcc isn’t happening this year. I hope it does, but there are 2 many variables out there right now. I had one trip this year that I’ve already had to reschedule so I’m folding early and just going to get ready for next year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 15, 2020, 11:30:03 PM
One thing I'm curious about is that if the epidemic lasts to at least July (which is highly likely), is it possible for SDCC to be postponed instead of just cancelled? Like, say, to September instead. Are there any 5-day openings at the SD Convention Center for SDCC to be moved to in the fall?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chaosdreamer on March 15, 2020, 11:48:33 PM
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One thing I'm curious about is that if the epidemic lasts to at least July (which is highly likely), is it possible for SDCC to be postponed instead of just cancelled? Like, say, to September instead. Are there any 5-day openings at the SD Convention Center for SDCC to be moved to in the fall?

But wouldn't that be too close to NYCC?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 16, 2020, 12:48:00 AM
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One thing I'm curious about is that if the epidemic lasts to at least July (which is highly likely), is it possible for SDCC to be postponed instead of just cancelled? Like, say, to September instead. Are there any 5-day openings at the SD Convention Center for SDCC to be moved to in the fall?

I'd say postponement would be rather hard. First off, usually big convention centers are all booked out nearly every week of the year. That being said, yes, there are possible weeks that the SD convention center is completely free, but I imagine other conventions are also looking to reschedule. Maybe SDCC would get priority, being one of SD's biggest cash cows, but who's to say. And then you got to think of all the artists & exhibitors. I imagine their schedules are currently being thrown into chaos, and they may have to miss out on SDCC because it conflicts with a prior commitment, or they may have to choose between multiple cons the same weekend or consecutive weeks. And the big one: studios. Can SDCC get all the studios to commit to a new date on relatively short notice (short being weeks or a few months, when they usually get a year).

Then you have to consider hotels. You can already book rooms through the end of the year. So there would be less rooms available, no matter what week you choose, as I doubt hotels would be willing to cancel pre-existing reservations. Let's say CCI does find a free week in the fall. They have to quickly get all the hotels to block off the rest of the remaining rooms and all at once, because you know someone will notice, and word / rumor will spread like wildfire and attendees will start booking rooms like crazy before all the rooms can be blocked off. This is normally not a problem when SDCC dates for the following year are announced because no hotels allow you to book that far out in advance.

Then some attendees may simply not be able to attend in the fall. So of course there's the option of refunds, but then they may lose the option of returning registration for the following year, which would be highly unfair. Would you add a deferral system? And if you do, would you have a third badge sale for any refunded / deferred badges? What would be the threshold of number of free badges for them to make that call?

All in all, it's a logistical nightmare for everyone involved. Yes, each of the above issues and any others I haven't thought of can be solved, but it might not be worth the effort for CCI.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on March 16, 2020, 10:09:29 AM
Insider is telling me that probably all domestic air to be shut down as soon as Wednesday for a period of at least two weeks.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 16, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
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Insider is telling me that probably all domestic air to be shut down as soon as Wednesday for a period of at least two weeks.

They've been talking about this the last couple of days.  I think this will be part of a general lockdown.  I've said it before, look at what's happened in other countries with big break outs from China to Spain.  They've implemented lockdowns.  There is no reason to not expect the same thing here.  Look at the Chinese and Italian lockdowns for a model of what will happen here.  In many places in the country we are already on our way.  I think the time between when Italy closed schools, bars and restaurants until they went into full lockdown was about a week.

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But wouldn't that be too close to NYCC?

I don't think there will be a NYCC this year.  I don't think there will be big cons before there is a vaccine.  That's next year at the earliest.  We don't want to repeat the Spanish Flu.  The first wave passed and people thought it was done, then the second wave hit and it was worst than the first wave.  This is our generation's Spanish Flu.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on March 16, 2020, 02:04:54 PM
Hate to say it, but I don’t expect SDCC 2020 will be a thing this year. Hopefully, I’m wrong, but the writing is on the wall. After today’s update from the WH, it is now. I think next month we’ll get an update from CCI.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 16, 2020, 03:43:53 PM
First, remember that _NO ONE_ can realistically predict when this will calm down.  China has been dealing with this at some level since sometime in November and are JUST NOW at a point where they're able to start closing emergency pop-up hospitals they opened to deal with the overflow of COVID-19 patients.  That being said, China is just recently (as in less than a week) coming out from their lockdown and starting to get back to normal.  It took them a LONG time to go on lockdown.  _MAYBE_ if USA goes on significant lockdown ASAP we can contain this sooner than, say, Italy (though our numbers are tracking with theirs almost exactly day-for-day currently).  We're at, I think, at the very early onset of this decimating USA.  Our federal government didn't start formulating a serious response until sometime last week, with state governments seemingly taking the lead (and some doing a far better job than others - I'd say right now CA is maybe in the upper-middle of the "good," maybe a little higher, with OH leading the country in aggressive containment of population centers).  So, we have no idea how much more aggressive USA could get in the near future to better combat this than we have been.

That being said...

This morning I was driving into work for a very short staff meeting at the HS I teach at.  I have about a 10-12 minute drive and my radio is broken and only picks up sports radio at the moment.  On the San Diego morning sports radio program on 97.3 FM, the Ben & Woods show, they had someone from the San Diego Reader: a local paper that isn't as big as The Tribune but usually a solid investigative paper that is far more than just a local community-type weekly paper.  That reporter was talking about how this is already impacting local downtown businesses (I think he was highlighting businesses in gas lamp that excel thanks to both baseball 'traffic' as well as conventions).  Comic-Con came up, because it's likely 'the' biggest cash-cow downtown annually.  This reporter gave it a 3-1 betting odds that Comic-Con will be canceled (meaning, 3x more likely to be canceled than occur, in his estimation).  He has a pulse on the community, so that's more legit speculation than I as just a lowly public HS music teacher. 

Of course, it's just speculation.  A bummer of a way to start my 3-weeks 'off' (at least: I think I'm personally looking at 5 weeks, which would take my school through its spring break & would be almost a full half of the spring trimester).  I think if school start back up in mid-April, as currently planned, the odds of SDCCI occurring as normal are real good.  If schools stay out through April, or into May, or worse (the OH Gov. stated it wouldn't surprise him if traditional school is canceled for the rest of the school year - and that wouldn't surprise me either, given the amount of morons on social media bragging about ignoring calls to self-distance), then the longer schools are out the less likelyhood Comic-Con will happen as planned, I think.

It all depends on us: you, me, our family & friends, and anyone that will listen to us on social media.  People need to stay indoors as much as possible, away from crowds.  Only go out when NECESSARY supplies are needed (food & pharmaceuticals - if you live in an appropriate state I'll allow for _THAT_ type of pharmaceutical as well  :P ) and stay home the rest of the time.  We can beat this stupid virus, and we WILL: it's only a matter of time.  Will we beat this in the spring buy being diligent and vigilant?!!  Or will we (as a society) be stupid and let this linger on into summer when it'll be too late for 2020 Comic-Con hopes & dreams?  ???

No one knows.  The good news is we're ALL in this together: we're all in the same sad boat.  CCI will do what they can to deliver our annual geeky needs, but in the worse case scenario there's nothing they can do.  Stay safe out there, friends.  Self distance like crazy, binge that series you've been putting off for years (oh hey, MadMen!), and try to stay as calm and positive as possible.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 16, 2020, 11:43:07 PM
Well said. We're in completely uncharted territory here. I don't think we have any precedent to rely on here for comparison of how things will proceed, or how things will end up. But I am very happy about the Shelter in Place, however inconvenient it is to you and me and everyone else. Like it or not, California is a hub for the virus, and we must act decisively to flatten the curve. And honestly, I think we moved as fast as we could without causing widespread panic and backlash. If we see that our cases in the state level out compared to, say, Washington, then people will see that our measurers worked. And they'll more willingly accept the lockdown, and that means the curve will remain flattened. This really is a case of, every single person needs to do his/her part. One weak link f*s us all up. Just look up Patient 31 in South Korea for a sobering example of how one person could cause so much harm.

If we're vigilant and diligent, we stand a good chance of getting over this crisis sooner rather than later. But I'm also a realist and know human behavior is not that... well, well-behaved, and my best case most likely won't happen. But I don't think worst case -- where EVERYONE gets the virus -- will happen either. I just want us to fall closer to the best case than the worst case.

I honestly have stopped thinking about SDCC 2020 as a possibility, whether I believe in best case or worst case. In fact, earlier today, my friend and I were chatting online, and we were already looking ahead to 2021. Even if CCI announced tomorrow that SDCC 2020 is cancelled, and my best case is realized and everything is a-okay by May/June, I wouldn't be upset.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 17, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
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We have a big europe trip planned for late June/early July that we're trying to figure out what to do about.

Fortress Europe is now closed.  Only EU citizens, and I assume residents, can enter.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 17, 2020, 12:47:07 PM
Figures the year I make my return to SDCC after about 5 years, all this goes down. Sorry guys  ;)

I have a wedding in the UK next year. So if everything gets cancelled it's just more PTO and money to use on that.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: angoradebs on March 17, 2020, 04:43:36 PM
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Figures the year I make my return to SDCC after about 5 years, all this goes down. Sorry guys  ;)

I have a wedding in the UK next year. So if everything gets cancelled it's just more PTO and money to use on that.

No, this whole virus is actually my fault - I was trying to go to Italy in June. That...is not happening.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 17, 2020, 06:45:22 PM
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I'd say postponement would be rather hard. First off, usually big convention centers are all booked out nearly every week of the year. That being said, yes, there are possible weeks that the SD convention center is completely free, but I imagine other conventions are also looking to reschedule. Maybe SDCC would get priority, being one of SD's biggest cash cows, but who's to say. And then you got to think of all the artists & exhibitors. I imagine their schedules are currently being thrown into chaos, and they may have to miss out on SDCC because it conflicts with a prior commitment, or they may have to choose between multiple cons the same weekend or consecutive weeks. And the big one: studios. Can SDCC get all the studios to commit to a new date on relatively short notice (short being weeks or a few months, when they usually get a year).

Then you have to consider hotels. You can already book rooms through the end of the year. So there would be less rooms available, no matter what week you choose, as I doubt hotels would be willing to cancel pre-existing reservations. Let's say CCI does find a free week in the fall. They have to quickly get all the hotels to block off the rest of the remaining rooms and all at once, because you know someone will notice, and word / rumor will spread like wildfire and attendees will start booking rooms like crazy before all the rooms can be blocked off. This is normally not a problem when SDCC dates for the following year are announced because no hotels allow you to book that far out in advance.

Then some attendees may simply not be able to attend in the fall. So of course there's the option of refunds, but then they may lose the option of returning registration for the following year, which would be highly unfair. Would you add a deferral system? And if you do, would you have a third badge sale for any refunded / deferred badges? What would be the threshold of number of free badges for them to make that call?

All in all, it's a logistical nightmare for everyone involved. Yes, each of the above issues and any others I haven't thought of can be solved, but it might not be worth the effort for CCI.

You're right about the hotels not being available enough for the SDCC to take place. The logistics problem for SDCC doesn't exist for Wondercon in Anaheim as much so it makes me wonder if Wondercon might be sort of an alternative con to take place of it later this year. I think the biggest appeal of SDCC for many attendees are the movie studio and TV panels. If they show up big, it can make Wondercon a respectable alternative.

The idea of SDCC being cancelled made me realize something. I just got my Wondercon refund. CCI didn't even ask attendees if they wanted a refund or hold the money for next year's con. Not that Wondercon is in high demand; most if not all people would want refunds anyway. But it makes me think that, sadly they're probably not going to give us an option to transfer the badges for next year's SDCC. All that refunding is going to make it a mess for some buying groups.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 17, 2020, 07:26:47 PM
Trying to find the right mix of optimism and pessimism here, but I don’t think the automatic WC refund necessarily means that they’d automatically refund SDCC if it’s canceled. I think it just means that they don’t really expect it to get rescheduled this year, or at least not happen with enough certainty to go through the hassle of holding & releasing tickets. It’s going to probably be less of a hassle to refund everyone, and no one is going to have any trouble getting tickets to it next year. But for SDCC, it would probably be more of a hassle to refund everyone, not to mention there would be a ton of angry people. It would be easier for them to just plain let people who want to go for 2021 roll them over, and hold a general sale for the remainder...rather than try to figure out if they need to do another returning sale, or risk crashing the system with the biggest general sale ever.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jason on March 17, 2020, 07:48:25 PM
Honest question - how many of you even want to attend Comic Con this year? Almost all of us will take some sort of financial hit (some much worse than others), and the virus would not be gone by July, just possibly contained. Would you feel comfortable or safe? I wouldn’t, truthfully.

I think they should cancel, roll our badges over to 2021, and allow cancellations with full refunds until October before holding a general sale for the refunded badges.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on March 18, 2020, 06:07:18 AM
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Honest question - how many of you even want to attend Comic Con this year? Almost all of us will take some sort of financial hit (some much worse than others), and the virus would not be gone by July, just possibly contained. Would you feel comfortable or safe? I wouldn’t, truthfully.

I think they should cancel, roll our badges over to 2021, and allow cancellations with full refunds until October before holding a general sale for the refunded badges.
I'm fine if they let people cancel if they want to.  But I want to go even if it ends up being a smaller convention than normal.  Then again my group will most likely go to san diego regardless of if the con is on or not.

That being said, not a fan of badges rolling over.  Just me though.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 18, 2020, 06:12:16 AM
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Honest question - how many of you even want to attend Comic Con this year? Almost all of us will take some sort of financial hit (some much worse than others), and the virus would not be gone by July, just possibly contained. Would you feel comfortable or safe? I wouldn’t, truthfully.

I think they should cancel, roll our badges over to 2021, and allow cancellations with full refunds until October before holding a general sale for the refunded badges.

I would still want to go. This is my big vacation this year. I'll be in CA for about 1.5 weeks, doing SDCC and Disney. So, I'd love for everything to continue as planned. But one friend in my group is in London and even if things clear up, she might not be able to come. Right now it's 5 of us planning to share a place, but if people drop like flies in our group, we'll have to rethink our accommodations.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: teriqueen on March 18, 2020, 06:15:11 AM
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Honest question - how many of you even want to attend Comic Con this year? Almost all of us will take some sort of financial hit (some much worse than others), and the virus would not be gone by July, just possibly contained. Would you feel comfortable or safe? I wouldn’t, truthfully.

I think they should cancel, roll our badges over to 2021, and allow cancellations with full refunds until October before holding a general sale for the refunded badges.

Honestly, I don't want to go back until there's a vaccine. I love SDCC, but between the crowds, the hotels, and the air travel, it's like a giant petri dish for viruses. No matter how careful I am about hand-washing, the odds that I'll come home sick have been 50-50 over the last ten years.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2020, 06:56:45 AM
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Honest question - how many of you even want to attend Comic Con this year? Almost all of us will take some sort of financial hit (some much worse than others), and the virus would not be gone by July, just possibly contained. Would you feel comfortable or safe? I wouldn’t, truthfully.

I think they should cancel, roll our badges over to 2021, and allow cancellations with full refunds until October before holding a general sale for the refunded badges.

ohohoh, a poll. We can do that.

Personally being a SD resident, i'm for having sdcc happen if we're on a significant upswing and the hospitals doing well.

imho, cci should let folks cancel for a refund badges/hotels etc all. BUT could also do a modified sdcc, expecting fewer vendors/media promotions. TBH it would be nice to have a smaller con in celebration of getting through the hardest part (hopefully) without the huge pressure of SDCC. Maybe off site activations could be move onto the floor if enough venders didn't want to come.

I really think it's too soon to tell what the summer will bring. SDCC is almost exactly 4 months away, they can afford to take a month or two to sort it out.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sessionka on March 18, 2020, 07:20:53 AM
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Honest question - how many of you even want to attend Comic Con this year? Almost all of us will take some sort of financial hit (some much worse than others), and the virus would not be gone by July, just possibly contained. Would you feel comfortable or safe? I wouldn’t, truthfully.

I think they should cancel, roll our badges over to 2021, and allow cancellations with full refunds until October before holding a general sale for the refunded badges.

I'd go.  I'm personally not worried for myself, even if I contract the virus.  Those most vulnerable to serious consequences are those that already have serious health issues.  I was supposed to have dinner with a friend next week, but she cancelled. Her respiratory system is compromised due to her having pneumonia 10 times.  I completely understood.  As for me, I'm healthy.  I'd go in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FBS on March 18, 2020, 07:30:47 AM
Coachella cancelled
Euros (soccer) pushed back a year
Glastonbury cancelled
Eurovision cancelled

Personally, I just don't see SDCC happening this year.
People from all over the world attend the event. The virus may have disappeared from the US by then but what happens if a foreign attendee brings it unknowingly?! It restarts the whole epidemic again.

Best to cancel it now and let people get their airfare, accommodation money back asap.

No one would begrudge CCI cancelling this year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2020, 07:51:21 AM
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Coachella cancelled
Euros (soccer) pushed back a year
Glastonbury cancelled
Eurovision cancelled

Personally, I just don't see SDCC happening this year.
People from all over the world attend the event. The virus may have disappeared from the US by then but what happens if a foreign attendee brings it unknowingly?! It restarts the whole epidemic again.

Best to cancel it now and let people get their airfare, accommodation money back asap.

No one would begrudge CCI cancelling this year.
Cochella is postponed till the early fall iirc.

iirc, people can request a refund of their badges now & hotelpocolyps hasn't occurred yet. I suspect something could be worked out for EarlyBird hotels.
Just because CCI has SDCC doesn't mean everyone has to come like in a non-Covid year.

from the cci web site
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The Comic-Con 2020 badge refund deadline is May 13, 2020. After this date your Comic-Con badge purchase is non-refundable. All refunds are subject to a 10% processing fee.

once we're through the worst of the infections, most of the population will be immune. At that point it's a personal choice if a non-immune person wants to attend or not.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on March 18, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
I am sure that CCI will make a cancel decision before the refund deadline or refund everyone if they cancel outright regardless of their current stated policy.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 18, 2020, 08:21:10 AM
Much like what was already said.  If there's an upswing trend in recovery, I'm going.

Another postponement/cancellation note: French Open moved to fall.  For you tennis fans.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on March 18, 2020, 08:39:21 AM
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once we're through the worst of the infections, most of the population will be immune. At that point it's a personal choice if a non-immune person wants to attend or not.

That's something I've been wondering about.  I saw somewhere (Twitter maybe?) a story of someone getting the virus twice.  Does anyone know if they've determined that if you get it you're immune from getting it again?  @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) ?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on March 18, 2020, 08:42:08 AM
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That's something I've been wondering about.  I saw somewhere (Twitter maybe?) a story of someone getting the virus twice.  Does anyone know if they've determined that if you get it you're immune from getting it again?  @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) ?
Pretty sure there are multiple reports of people getting it again.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on March 18, 2020, 08:46:59 AM
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Pretty sure there are multiple reports of people getting it again.
It’s too early to tell, but from what I’m reading, if you have a normal immune system, the chances of getting it twice are very low. Again, it’s still too new to know for sure. But I wouldn’t want to spread panic without more data.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jim Watari on March 18, 2020, 09:24:35 AM
I think what was happening is that the people were not fully recovered and the tests are not always correct.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 18, 2020, 09:44:35 AM
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Cochella is postponed till the early fall iirc.

iirc, people can request a refund of their badges now & hotelpocolyps hasn't occurred yet. I suspect something could be worked out for EarlyBird hotels.
Just because CCI has SDCC doesn't mean everyone has to come like in a non-Covid year.

from the cci web site
once we're through the worst of the infections, most of the population will be immune. At that point it's a personal choice if a non-immune person wants to attend or not.

Most will probably wait for refunds til sdcc cancels it themselves. That way thyed have a better chance of gettinv hotel refunds and full refunds on their badges

I feel real stupid booking at Town and Country a couple weeks ago now.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: teriqueen on March 18, 2020, 09:47:54 AM
I don't think we'll know about acquired immunity for quite a while. Infectious-disease experts on several different news shows have been asked the same question. One said he expected that survivors would be immune, but we don't know enough about the virus to say for sure. Another said that even if survivors are immune, the period of immunity is unknown--it could range from weeks to years. Another said it is possible that there is no immunity at all.

 :( :( :(
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2020, 09:50:09 AM
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Pretty sure there are multiple reports of people getting it again.

according to https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-coronavirus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/#1c7d286a5c0f
a few things need to be accounted for first;
1) is the testing accurate
2) was it one continuous infection that went into 'remission' ie the viral load was so small it wasn't detected
3)  the amount of immunity that you build up after being exposed to any virus depends on not only virus itself but your immune system and its response. Think reports of the flu after getting a flu shot.

that linked article is very interesting
 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 18, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
I know we all are trying to stay positive but lets face it, I think SDCC will and should be postponed/canceled, two weeks ago 4 months sounded like a lot of time but with today models saying that we could be stuck in these up to 18 months to fully control it... I mean I love SDCC, but I just cant see it happening in july, there's too much at stake right know for our health and economy all over the world, the right thing is postponingn/canceling
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 18, 2020, 12:24:00 PM
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I don't think we'll know about acquired immunity for quite a while. Infectious-disease experts on several different news shows have been asked the same question. One said he expected that survivors would be immune, but we don't know enough about the virus to say for sure. Another said that even if survivors are immune, the period of immunity is unknown--it could range from weeks to years. Another said it is possible that there is no immunity at all.

 :( :( :(

I think it depends how much and fast it mutates.  Let's consider that other corona virus we all get repeatedly, the common cold.  The reason we keep getting colds over and over again is that it mutates as it passes through the population.  By the time it gets back to us, it's changed enough that we aren't immune to it.  Even though we don't have full immunity, we still benefit from having had it before.  The sickness isn't as bad.  That's the other reason to get a flu shot.  The flu shot only covers 4 strains.  There are a lot of strains of flu.  But even if we get sick with another similar strain, the flu shot can make the illness not as bad.

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I think what was happening is that the people were not fully recovered and the tests are not always correct.

That can be.  That's why they always take 2 tests separated by about a day.  You have to pass two.

It can also be because the virus lingers.  There are some people that are still testing positive even though they have been symptom free and thus recovered for over 28 days.  Which is well over the time period they should be shedding virus after getting better.

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Coachella cancelled
Euros (soccer) pushed back a year
Glastonbury cancelled
Eurovision cancelled

Personally, I just don't see SDCC happening this year.
People from all over the world attend the event. The virus may have disappeared from the US by then but what happens if a foreign attendee brings it unknowingly?! It restarts the whole epidemic again.

Best to cancel it now and let people get their airfare, accommodation money back asap.

No one would begrudge CCI cancelling this year.

I've said it before, I don't see any of these things happening until there is a vaccine.  That's next year at the earliest.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on March 18, 2020, 12:53:22 PM
I think you guys are being way too doom and gloom. China went on lockdown in late January/early February and they are now opening up again. Less than 2 months. IMHO, that's a reasonable model to follow.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: aodmisery on March 18, 2020, 01:40:24 PM
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Figures the year I make my return to SDCC after about 5 years, all this goes down. Sorry guys  ;)

I have a wedding in the UK next year. So if everything gets cancelled it's just more PTO and money to use on that.

Im on the same boat last time i went was 2013.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2020, 01:42:24 PM
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I think you guys are being way too doom and gloom. China went on lockdown in late January/early February and they are now opening up again. Less than 2 months. IMHO, that's a reasonable model to follow.

AGREED!
LOL
We do not need to decide this now, we have time to see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 18, 2020, 04:15:51 PM
China handled this totally different then we are. They isolated more people and went into lockdown early. Also have mass testing ability. That's not us.
If you want to look at it that way. We are where they were in December. And we still don't have any national containment or testing. Even (Trump) said July/August before we see the curve go the other way, and he is the most optimistic person there because he is trying to save his butt with the economy.

But if you want to look at the bright side. There will most likely be a lot fewer people at SDCC2020. But that includes the guests and vendors. It it really worth going if no one is there?

I think the best thing is to jump a year and give everyone the option of refund or keep the badge for SDCC2021. I bet 50%+ would keep the badge.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: tk415650 on March 18, 2020, 04:21:33 PM
Even a scaled down version of Comic-con is better than no Comic-con.  I only get to reconnect with friends @ Comic-con and to skip a year would mean not seeing these friends for another year.  Really hoping this gets sorted out soon but each day we hear the administration in charge talk we should be fearing for our lives let alone for Comic-con.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 18, 2020, 04:24:55 PM
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Even a scaled down version of Comic-con is better than no Comic-con.  I only get to reconnect with friends @ Comic-con and to skip a year would mean not seeing these friends for another year.  Really hoping this gets sorted out soon but each day we hear the administration in charge talk we should be fearing for our lives let alone for Comic-con.
A scaled down version would be more like your regional cons. Not nearly the same and not worth spending all that money.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 18, 2020, 04:52:30 PM
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I think you guys are being way too doom and gloom. China went on lockdown in late January/early February and they are now opening up again. Less than 2 months. IMHO, that's a reasonable model to follow.

I don't think we can apply the Chinese experience here.  Americans simply aren't as cooperative.  We just don't get it.  Even with all the warnings and the imploring for social distancing, this is what happens here.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-beaches-ignore-social-distancing/

It's just not there.  Look at San Francisco and compare that to Wuhan.  Compare it to Beijing or Shanghai where they didn't even go into lockdown.  In all those Chinese cities, the streets were empty.  In San Francisco, there are still plenty of people out and about.

In Asia, people are accustomed to wearing a mask whenever they get sick.  There's social pressure that people wear a mask when they are sick so they don't get anyone else sick.  In China, at where we are now on the covid curve, the vast majority of people wore masks.  Here in the US, it's the inverse of that.  Mask are rare, most people don't wear them.  I wear a mask when I have a cold to keep it to myself.  People think I'm crazy.

Go to a branch of any global fast food restaurant chain in China.  The people handling the food wore masks and gloves normally even before covid.  Here in the same chain people don't even wash their hands after handling money before handling your food.

China is opening up in a limited fashion now, but they are doing something that we can't.  They are leveraging big data.  There's a QR code outside of buildings.  Some people carry a QR code on them.  Before someone goes into a building or interacts with someone they scan the QR code.  That QR code shows the status of the person scanning it.  It crunches big data to figure out what that person's status is. Red means quarantine for 14 days, yellow means quarantine for 7 days and green means they are OK.  Stores only allow people in that are green.

I think the experience we should apply here is Italy's.  Like here, a lot of people aren't taking it seriously.  In Lombardy, the epicenter in Italy, they reported on the news last night that 40% of the population weren't complying with the lockdown.

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Even the orange turd said July/August before we see the curve go the other way, and he is the most optimistic person there because he is trying to save his butt with the economy.

I think he upped it to 18 months today.  Which makes sense.  Since that's the timeline for having a vaccine.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 18, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
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Much like what was already said.  If there's an upswing trend in recovery, I'm going.

Another postponement/cancellation note: French Open moved to fall.  For you tennis fans.
Well maybe Paris can actually go!

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Title: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Devorah on March 18, 2020, 08:19:05 PM
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Even (Trump) said July/August before we see the curve go the other way, and he is the most optimistic person there because he is trying to save his butt with the economy.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 18, 2020, 09:17:14 PM
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That's something I've been wondering about.  I saw somewhere (Twitter maybe?) a story of someone getting the virus twice.  Does anyone know if they've determined that if you get it you're immune from getting it again?  @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) ?

They did some testing on some poor monkeys with the covid-19 virus recently and found that monkeys can't be re-infected with the same virus:

https://www.livescience.com/monkeys-cannot-get-reinfected-with-coronavirus-study.html

I believe previous SARs outbreaks showed that infected people will get immunity for several months but not after a year or so. Seeing how similar both strains are, I would say I'd expect everyone will all need vaccines including previously infected people just to be safe.

So far, there hasn't been any proof that there are multiple strains of this covid-19 virus. Any reports of re-infection are most likely due to the virus staying in infected individuals longer than expected. For instance, I read an article recently that stated virus particles could stay in people's systems for 37 days even though they are symptom-free. There are also some rare individuals who don't build immunity like most of us do so I wouldn't worry about the rare exceptions.

As for comparing us to China, I don't think we should expect to model ourselves after China in how they locked their people down. They're able to do it with their authoritarian government. We should instead try to model ourselves after democratic countries like South Korea or Taiwan. If anyone wants to be impressed by how a country can protect their citizens during a virus outbreak, look at how Taiwan has handled things. They had 50 cases last week and 77 cases now and only one death so far. This is a country with almost 24 million people living on a tiny island.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-teach-world-fighting-coronavirus-n1153826
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 19, 2020, 10:57:31 AM
My main concern if they cancel is how they'll handle refunds. I know I'm not alone with being the main person in their group to purchase badges. I used my credit card and friends sent cash. Obviously that money has already been used to pay off the balance. If they refund everything to cards, that doesn't help some of us pay those back in groups.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 19, 2020, 11:46:16 AM
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My main concern if they cancel is how they'll handle refunds. I know I'm not alone with being the main person in their group to purchase badges. I used my credit card and friends sent cash. Obviously that money has already been used to pay off the balance. If they refund everything to cards, that doesn't help some of us pay those back in groups.

If they refund to your credit card then you'll have a credit on your credit card.  You can then use that credit to pay back your friends.  You can do it the old fashion way by cashing out that credit and then paying your friends back in cash or you can do it the modern way and use that credit card to send money to your friends.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on March 19, 2020, 12:10:38 PM
I hope they give us the option of applying our badge to next year. That will at least guarantee us badges. How are they doing WonderCon?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 19, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
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If they refund to your credit card then you'll have a credit on your credit card.  You can then use that credit to pay back your friends.  You can do it the old fashion way by cashing out that credit and then paying your friends back in cash or you can do it the modern way and use that credit card to send money to your friends.

I'll look into that! Thank you.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 19, 2020, 12:49:41 PM
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I hope they give us the option of applying our badge to next year. That will at least guarantee us badges. How are they doing WonderCon?

Wondercon did straight refunds to the purchase card. No options were offered.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 19, 2020, 01:13:11 PM
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They did some testing on some poor monkeys with the covid-19 virus recently and found that monkeys can't be re-infected with the same virus:

https://www.livescience.com/monkeys-cannot-get-reinfected-with-coronavirus-study.html

I believe previous SARs outbreaks showed that infected people will get immunity for several months but not after a year or so. Seeing how similar both strains are, I would say I'd expect everyone will all need vaccines including previously infected people just to be safe.

So far, there hasn't been any proof that there are multiple strains of this covid-19 virus. Any reports of re-infection are most likely due to the virus staying in infected individuals longer than expected. For instance, I read an article recently that stated virus particles could stay in people's systems for 37 days even though they are symptom-free. There are also some rare individuals who don't build immunity like most of us do so I wouldn't worry about the rare exceptions.

As for comparing us to China, I don't think we should expect to model ourselves after China in how they locked their people down. They're able to do it with their authoritarian government. We should instead try to model ourselves after democratic countries like South Korea or Taiwan. If anyone wants to be impressed by how a country can protect their citizens during a virus outbreak, look at how Taiwan has handled things. They had 50 cases last week and 77 cases now and only one death so far. This is a country with almost 24 million people living on a tiny island.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-teach-world-fighting-coronavirus-n1153826
It feels like we're modeling much closer to Italy: a country mostly locked-down but w/out police or military cracking down.  China has an oppressive government where its citizens are used to obeying the government or risk, like, disappearing (along with their family).  Remember, it was literally just a few months ago, in late fall, were many were criticizing American companies (such as the NBA, and Disney) for being soft on China throwing 1 million+ muslims in concentrations camps!
In the US we have idiots who are brazenly going to beaches & bars because "freedom of assembly" and other nonsense.  It's gonna be incredibly difficult, I think, for the country to go into lockdown without some sort of hard-core Federal mandate, and even then there will be plenty of idiots to test that.  Businesses will be hesitant to close because of profit margins & risking hurting their employees (my bro-in-law is a manager at a manufacturing company and they decided not to close down, going against their mayor's orders, because they know most of the employees live paycheck-paycheck and a) don't want to pay them to not work and b) know they will suffer w/out a paycheck).

I still think it's too early to start worrying about Comic-Con being canceled (though that's easy for me, a San Diego resident, to say when I don't have to worry about airfare or hotels), but the more I see people ignoring social distancing the more I believe this will indeed last longer than just a few weeks.  My wife has had conferences in July & even August already cancel, so it wouldn't surprise me if Comic-Con had to as well.  Hate the fact that I haven't missed a Comic-Con this millennium and now a stupid virus is gonna screw it all up  :(
But of course, I'm more thinking about things like my HS senior son, who was at the mid-term point for his only remaining required class for graduation, who may be looking at his senior year ending, no graduation, prom, etc.  Heck, a student at the school I teach at was ranked #1 in the Nation for his weight class in wrestling and his HS career ending without him getting to finish his season.  There are a plethora of things the entire world is having to deal with
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on March 19, 2020, 02:20:14 PM
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I hope they give us the option of applying our badge to next year. That will at least guarantee us badges. How are they doing WonderCon?
Based on Wondercons straight refund...SDCC would do the same.  No save for the next year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 19, 2020, 03:34:47 PM
I would hope that they honor the folks for pre-reg to get them in to next year's pre-reg...if they even track that.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 19, 2020, 04:00:57 PM
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Based on Wondercons straight refund...SDCC would do the same.  No save for the next year.

WonderCon’s badge purchasing process isn’t the same as SDCC’s, so I don’t think it’s a given that their refund-due-to-cancellation process would necessarily be the same either.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TossedSalad on March 19, 2020, 06:22:09 PM
Maybe the won’t even have a pre reg next year and then it will be just one big open reg. Then people can’t complain about it being unfair advantage for previous attendees. There will always be complaints though. Either way, I’m ok with missing this year given everything going on and not wanting to be a part of this ridiculous population right now. The freaks trying to hoard at the stores make me hate humanity sometimes
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 19, 2020, 06:25:28 PM
The governor of California stated today that more then half of California's population will likely get the Corona virus within the next 2 months.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 19, 2020, 07:23:25 PM
All of California will be on lockdown starting at midnight.  From Oregon to Mexico.  From Nevada to the Pacific.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 19, 2020, 07:26:26 PM
If I had to guess, we'll get an announcement before the end of March that SDCC will be cancelled. If current trends continue, there really isn't a good reason to delay the inevitable.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 19, 2020, 07:32:46 PM
I hope enforcement is light tomorrow. I agree with the lockdown order but 5 hours is not reasonable. My office has prepared for everyone to work remotely but we need to go in tomorrow to pick up our laptops and essential paperwork. It's not fair to announce this after the close of business and give everyone zero time to adjust.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 19, 2020, 07:52:22 PM
There won't be any enforcement per se.  The same as in Bay Area.  It's an honor system lockdown.  The governor addressed that in his press conference.  The police will not be arresting people.  He hopes that people will do the right thing and comply.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jason on March 19, 2020, 08:44:04 PM
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I hope they give us the option of applying our badge to next year. That will at least guarantee us badges. How are they doing WonderCon?

I don’t think we can judge based on WC since that show doesn’t even sell out. I think the only people who would not want badges to roll over would be people who missed out on days during this last sale.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 19, 2020, 09:32:51 PM
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I hope enforcement is light tomorrow. I agree with the lockdown order but 5 hours is not reasonable. My office has prepared for everyone to work remotely but we need to go in tomorrow to pick up our laptops and essential paperwork. It's not fair to announce this after the close of business and give everyone zero time to adjust.

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Along with what @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) said, there was an interview with a police chief in the Bay Area, and they will be out there and breaking up crowds and loiterers and just educating people on the Shelter in Place. He emphasized they wouldn't be making any arrests, at least in the near term. And you can still go out for walks / runs / walk-the-dog, as long as you obey the six feet distance rule (personally, I've had to make a bunch of detours when out for my daily run, even so far as running in the middle of an (empty) street just to avoid someone on the sidewalk.)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 19, 2020, 09:40:41 PM
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It feels like we're modeling much closer to Italy: a country mostly locked-down but w/out police or military cracking down.  China has an oppressive government where its citizens are used to obeying the government or risk, like, disappearing (along with their family).  Remember, it was literally just a few months ago, in late fall, were many were criticizing American companies (such as the NBA, and Disney) for being soft on China throwing 1 million+ muslims in concentrations camps!
In the US we have idiots who are brazenly going to beaches & bars because "freedom of assembly" and other nonsense.  It's gonna be incredibly difficult, I think, for the country to go into lockdown without some sort of hard-core Federal mandate, and even then there will be plenty of idiots to test that.  Businesses will be hesitant to close because of profit margins & risking hurting their employees (my bro-in-law is a manager at a manufacturing company and they decided not to close down, going against their mayor's orders, because they know most of the employees live paycheck-paycheck and a) don't want to pay them to not work and b) know they will suffer w/out a paycheck).

This is really tough. We have "shelter in place" right now in the Bay Area and soon to be the entire CA state but without the same kind of law ordinance in the rest of the country, it's probably going to be fruitless. Our local area might decline with cases for a couple of weeks but then we'll get travelers from other states coming in and our cases will increase again. And we'll have to do this lockdown again. That is my expectations for now-- that every 1-2 months, we'll have to shut down for 2-3 weeks each time to try to manage the outbreak, "flatten the curve." I see this shutdown method continuing for possibly the whole year or at least until we can get legitimate drug treatment for the disease (vaccines won't be available until next year).  It's going to wreak havoc on our economy but what can we do?

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The governor of California stated today that more then half of California's population will likely get the Corona virus within the next 2 months.

I believe he meant this statistic can happen if we don't shut down the entire state. He mentioned he thinks we can flatten curve if we shut down.

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There won't be any enforcement per se.  The same as in Bay Area.  It's an honor system lockdown.  The governor addressed that in his press conference.  The police will not be arresting people.  He hopes that people will do the right thing and comply.

I have to mention, in the Bay Area right now, cops are apparently randomly issuing citations on residents who are out and about doing things that aren't shopping. For instance, my Mom's friend got a citation at East Bay Park Botanical Gardens for being there during the shutdown; she mentioned it was a $2500 fine?! And she also heard of a plumber being cited for going to a job. So I think it's possible that we might see more police action in the near future during this shutdown.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on March 19, 2020, 11:23:04 PM
https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/new-study-says-high-temperature-and-high-relative-humidity-significantly-reduce-spread-of-covid-19/703418?utm_medium=push&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=pushly_trial

“New study says 'high temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce' spread of COVID-19”

As for what California is doing, Gov. Newsom better hopes he didn’t make things worse long term such as hurting the state’s economy beyond repair. Yes, we gotta beat this virus because it’s a nasty one, but what about everyone’s financial future beyond this pandemic? Sometimes going from one extreme (doing nothing to fighting the virus and not ’flattening the curve’) to another (closing of many areas that leads to job losses, businesses closing down for good, etc.) could lead to more dire problems, than facing just one currently.

Oh, spring breakers, STAY HOME!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 20, 2020, 11:49:03 AM
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https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/new-study-says-high-temperature-and-high-relative-humidity-significantly-reduce-spread-of-covid-19/703418?utm_medium=push&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=pushly_trial

“New study says 'high temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce' spread of COVID-19”

As for what California is doing, Gov. Newsom better hopes he didn’t make things worse long term such as hurting the state’s economy beyond repair. Yes, we gotta beat this virus because it’s a nasty one, but what about everyone’s financial future beyond this pandemic? Sometimes going from one extreme (doing nothing to fighting the virus and not ’flattening the curve’) to another (closing of many areas that leads to job losses, businesses closing down for good, etc.) could lead to more dire problems, than facing just one currently.

Oh, spring breakers, STAY HOME!
That study was dis-proven because there are outbreaks in the southern hemisphere right now where it is warm and humid.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on March 20, 2020, 12:27:18 PM
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That study was dis-proven because there are outbreaks in the southern hemisphere right now where it is warm and humid.
It wasn’t, but the medical community is split about this: if warmer temps help or not. The virus will be around no matter where one goes, though, I agree on that. Regardless, let’s see which study is right, but it’s always good to know what is being said now; news keeps changing 24/7. For example, not many knew about certain viral medicines showing good results vs. the virus a few weeks ago, in some ongoing clinical trials.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on March 20, 2020, 12:47:22 PM
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As for what California is doing, Gov. Newsom better hopes he didn’t make things worse long term such as hurting the state’s economy beyond repair. Yes, we gotta beat this virus because it’s a nasty one, but what about everyone’s financial future beyond this pandemic?

You assume that the economy would be fine if nothing shut down and this virus ravaged our nation. If as many people die as are predicted, there will be no economy and no people. You may think I am exaggerating, but we need working people to have an economy. The economic cost of having that many sick/dying people would be just as devastating, if not more so. Even Trump finally figured that one out. Let's just say the economic costs were equal, might as well have economic devastation and not as many deaths. What they are hoping for is for the best case scenario: less economic devastation and fewer deaths.

I personally think the lockdown is needed because people don't heed recommendations. Heck, some of them don't even heed lockdowns. State-by-state, others will probably follow California's lead.

We are all going to hurt financially, some more than others. I really hope we can get this over with quickly, but that won't happen if everyone doesn't do their part.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on March 20, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
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You assume that the economy would be fine if nothing shut down and this virus ravaged our nation. If as many people die as are predicted, there will be no economy and no people. You may think I am exaggerating, but we need working people to have an economy. The economic cost of having that many sick/dying people would be just as devastating, if not more so. Even Trump finally figured that one out. Let's just say the economic costs were equal, might as well have economic devastation and not as many deaths. What they are hoping for is for the best-case scenario: less economic devastation and fewer deaths.

I personally think the lockdown is needed because people don't heed recommendations. Heck, some of them don't even heed lockdowns. State-by-state, others will probably follow California's lead.

We are all going to hurt financially, some more than others. I really hope we can get this over with quickly, but that won't happen if everyone doesn't do their part.
My post wasn't about not doing anything in fighting the virus, so no, I'm not assuming anything. Not fighting it is not a good strategy at all, which would hurt the economy, so you’re 100% correct. But being in the “have everything shut down indefinitely” for too long could lead to more serious problems, and a major newspaper (I think it’s The Wall Street Journal) is going to talk about how the US could collapse if the economy stays in this current state for too long. Already reading from other outlets that California is going to get the worse of it, regardless of how this pandemic goes. Anyway, definitely in a “damned if you do and damned if you don’t” here in the US.

No matter what, I do hope things do get better quickly. I know a few people who are jobless with no pay, and are now worried if they will be homeless soon, and I don’t like seeing that.  :(
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 20, 2020, 02:10:58 PM
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That study was dis-proven because there are outbreaks in the southern hemisphere right now where it is warm and humid.

No, it has not been "disproven." At the moment, none of the outbreaks in the Southern Hemisphere or countries located on the equator are anywhere near as bad as what has happened in China or currently happening in Europe, Iran, or the US.

(But this doesn't mean that it has been proven either. Right now we can only wait and see, take precautions, and hope for the best.)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 20, 2020, 09:22:37 PM
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https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/new-study-says-high-temperature-and-high-relative-humidity-significantly-reduce-spread-of-covid-19/703418?utm_medium=push&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=pushly_trial

“New study says 'high temperature and high relative humidity significantly reduce' spread of COVID-19”

As for what California is doing, Gov. Newsom better hopes he didn’t make things worse long term such as hurting the state’s economy beyond repair. Yes, we gotta beat this virus because it’s a nasty one, but what about everyone’s financial future beyond this pandemic? Sometimes going from one extreme (doing nothing to fighting the virus and not ’flattening the curve’) to another (closing of many areas that leads to job losses, businesses closing down for good, etc.) could lead to more dire problems, than facing just one currently.

Oh, spring breakers, STAY HOME!

That's actually an interesting question. I'm personally on the 'panic-- shut everything down' side but I think it's a fair question to ask ourselves. I think it basically depends on if you see people as statistics or do you see it as every person is valuable and protecting people's lives are more important than their financial future? If we don't shut things down, the # of cases will go up dramatically. Hospitals will be overrun and yes people will die. But it's all luck of the draw. Most of us here who get it will survive but some won't. Most of our friends and family will die but some won't. Is it worth the risk to put the lives of our loved ones and ourselves in danger like that?

I can tell you that I am wholly pessimistic about our current shutdown right now though. It's really no good if we shut down locally but half the country doesn't believe in the outbreak and go about their business like usual.

As for the financial aspect, it really depends on the country. The more socialist type of countries will have enough fallback to protect themselves. A country like China is fascinating to watch. Many of their people have died but their country will be fine overall. They're able to self-manufacture their supplies easily, their people fall in line politically. They're going to be in better shape than we are in general as a country to withstand a virus outbreak like this.

As for high temperatures reducing the virus spread, I think it's possible. If we look at the original SARs virus, the seasonal and temperature changes did reduce infection rates. But the original SARs is not completely comparable because it was a less contagious virus. So, should we stop the shutdowns and hope that the virus will die out once summer hits? Is that a risk we should take? I think based on how far off we are from the warmer seasons, I don't think we can take that chance yet. We can turn into a Italy if we don't do our shutdowns now.

I believe there are some early reports that it is possible the virus is mutating, like the strains found in Asia are different from strains found in Europe and the US. Viruses do mutate constantly. The ones that survive or last the longest tend to be the ones that are less deadly.

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No, it has not been "disproven." At the moment, none of the outbreaks in the Southern Hemisphere or countries located on the equator are anywhere near as bad as what has happened in China or currently happening in Europe, Iran, or the US.

(But this doesn't mean that it has been proven either. Right now we can only wait and see, take precautions, and hope for the best.)

I agree that nothing has been proven or disproved so far. But I definitely would not take seriously the number of positive cases in third world countries or non-democratic countries. As we know from our country, the numbers don't look bad if we don't test for it. It's easier for a lot of countries to deny having the outbreak if they don't test for it.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 21, 2020, 12:33:26 AM
At this point, if CCI wants to cancel Comic-Con this year, I won't have an issue with it.  I'm just not hopeful this crisis will not get any worse in the next few months.  Our only hope is that this virus will be just like any flu virus in which it will weaken when Summer arrives, but I certainly as hell am not counting on that.  Both Hall H and Exhibit Hall will be death traps.  Right now I am too scared to step into a supermarket even with a face mask for a short amount of time.  The only other time in my life I was this terrified was when 9/11 happened.  When I relocated to SoCal ten years ago, I knew there was a risk of living here due to earthquakes and what our life will be like should something equivalent to the Northridge quake in 1994 were to occur.  Well, I am experiencing it here now.  There is a shortage of food at our groceries due to panic buying, our first responders are taxed and getting necessities like toilet paper is a challenge.  Maybe in the not too distant future I will be looking back at this experience and have survival stories to tell children in the future, but I dunno.  My immediate concern is seeing to it my 85-year-old mother does not get sick.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 21, 2020, 02:13:11 PM
All I know is if you don't ask for a refund by April 30th and SDCC decides to go on, even in a limited capacity, you will not get a refund. As I see it, losing 10% is worth more than taking the risk and going to a scaled down event. Besides if they do cancel, you should get that 10% refunded also. It is not worth going anymore, not just because of the virus, but more so because it will be a horrible show with guests and vendors most likely pulling out. All the major players have closed down and I can't see them ramping up for SDCC. Now is when they start getting it all together and that isn't happening. Bite the bullet, protect yourself, and lets have a really big show in 2021!
I am especially sad since I scored PN badges.

I bet a lot of people have already asked for refunds. The exhibitors know that too. This show will be a shadow of its former self and not worth going. Wait for a vaccine.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 21, 2020, 04:14:23 PM
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No, it has not been "disproven." At the moment, none of the outbreaks in the Southern Hemisphere or countries located on the equator are anywhere near as bad as what has happened in China or currently happening in Europe, Iran, or the US.

(But this doesn't mean that it has been proven either. Right now we can only wait and see, take precautions, and hope for the best.)

Just like the outbreak didn't seem as bad here until a couple of weeks ago.  That's because we didn't test.  Now we are, kind of, and our numbers have skyrocketed.

Mexico and Brazil, the two most populous countries south of us, aren't taking it seriously.  They still think it's a hoax.  The president of Mexico said that he was wearing amulets that would protect him from it so he isn't worried.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: susanml10881 on March 21, 2020, 04:57:37 PM
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All I know is if you don't ask for a refund by April 30th and SDCC decides to go on, even in a limited capacity, you will not get a refund. As I see it, losing 10% is worth more than taking the risk and going to a scaled down event. Besides if they do cancel, you should get that 10% refunded also. It is not worth going anymore, not just because of the virus, but more so because it will be a horrible show with guests and vendors most likely pulling out. All the major players have closed down and I can't see them ramping up for SDCC. Now is when they start getting it all together and that isn't happening. Bite the bullet, protect yourself, and lets have a really big show in 2021!
I am especially sad since I scored PN badges.

I bet a lot of people have already asked for refunds. The exhibitors know that too. This show will be a shadow of its former self and not worth going. Wait for a vaccine.

They might allow refunds past that date as a goodwill gesture like Emerald did before they ultimately canceled. I don’t think they’d say you’re sol. But I think they will have to postpone. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 21, 2020, 05:02:33 PM
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All I know is if you don't ask for a refund by April 30th and SDCC decides to go on, even in a limited capacity, you will not get a refund. As I see it, losing 10% is worth more than taking the risk and going to a scaled down event. Besides if they do cancel, you should get that 10% refunded also. It is not worth going anymore, not just because of the virus, but more so because it will be a horrible show with guests and vendors most likely pulling out. All the major players have closed down and I can't see them ramping up for SDCC. Now is when they start getting it all together and that isn't happening. Bite the bullet, protect yourself, and lets have a really big show in 2021!
I am especially sad since I scored PN badges.

I bet a lot of people have already asked for refunds. The exhibitors know that too. This show will be a shadow of its former self and not worth going. Wait for a vaccine.

Theres also the problem with already booking a hotel though too. Which is the boat I'm in.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 21, 2020, 05:12:49 PM
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Theres also the problem with already booking a hotel though too. Which is the boat I'm in.

i have to think the non-refundable rooms would be refunded if cci cancels sdcc.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 21, 2020, 05:13:16 PM
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Just like the outbreak didn't seem as bad here until a couple of weeks ago.  That's because we didn't test.  Now we are, kind of, and our numbers have skyrocketed.

Mexico and Brazil, the two most populous countries south of us, aren't taking it seriously.  They still think it's a hoax.  The president of Mexico said that he was wearing amulets that would protect him from it so he isn't worried.

There’s still a lot of uncertainty, yes. As I mentioned nothing has been proven or disproven. What we know can change in a matter of days. But what we know so far doesn’t contradict it. Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea have been hailed for doing the right things. Taiwan (subtropical/tropical) and Singapore (tropical) cases are only in the hundreds. South Korea has 9,000.
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Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 21, 2020, 05:16:50 PM
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i have to think the non-refundable rooms would be refunded if cci cancels sdcc.

Which is what I'm waiting to hear. But dcol was suggesting to get a refund before april 30th.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 21, 2020, 06:06:10 PM
I am honestly not that worried about getting proper refunds from SDCC. If the outbreak is still happening in July, they will cancel. I don't believe they will run the con without the movie and TV studios doing panels. I'd rather wait and see if they will either give a full refund if the con is cancelled or if they might apply the money paid for next year's badges. CCI had no problems refunding the full prices of the badges for Wondercon recently and they got OnPeak to refund the full deposit for the hotels too even with the refund deadline already past.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 21, 2020, 06:33:05 PM
I am not worried about refunds either. Also, if we do get a half-baked SDCC this year (but I suspect they’ll cancel before giving us something that falls drastically short of our expectations) we’ll get a discount in the form of significantly cheaper hotel rooms. :P
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 21, 2020, 07:22:14 PM
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There’s still a lot of uncertainty, yes. As I mentioned nothing has been proven or disproven. What we know can change in a matter of days. But what we know so far doesn’t contradict it. Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea have been hailed for doing the right things. Taiwan (subtropical/tropical) and Singapore (tropical) cases are only in the hundreds. South Korea has 9,000.

Per capita, Singapore is not that far below the number of cases as the SF Bay Area.  5.75 versus 6.8.  If weather was indeed a big factor, I don't think it would be that close.

Yes, Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea have done the right things.  I think that's why they relatively have low cases and really have low mortality rates.  It's what they've done and do rather than the temperature outside that has lead to their success.

First and foremost, they have excellent health care systems.  What we have in the US isn't even in the same league as what they have.  Second, they have done decent testing.  No country can do as much as they want but compared to others they have done a lot.  Third, just like China, they have big data.  Singapore's success comes from their ability to do contact tracing.  They know who's sick and they know who the sick people have had contact with.  Thus they can isolate just those people instead of doing a blanket lockdown.  Fourth, they are serious about isolating the sick people.  There are serious consequences for breaking a quarantine.
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Post by: hikanteki on March 21, 2020, 09:08:16 PM
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Per capita, Singapore is not that far below the number of cases as the SF Bay Area.  5.75 versus 6.8.  If weather was indeed a big factor, I don't think it would be that close.

Yes, Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea have done the right things.  I think that's why they relatively have low cases and really have low mortality rates.  It's what they've done and do rather than the temperature outside that has lead to their success.

First and foremost, they have excellent health care systems.  What we have in the US isn't even in the same league as what they have.  Second, they have done decent testing.  No country can do as much as they want but compared to others they have done a lot.  Third, just like China, they have big data.  Singapore's success comes from their ability to do contact tracing.  They know who's sick and they know who the sick people have had contact with.  Thus they can isolate just those people instead of doing a blanket lockdown.  Fourth, they are serious about isolating the sick people.  There are serious consequences for breaking a quarantine.

I wasn’t comparing T/S/SK to the rest of the world, I was comparing Taiwan/Singapore to South Korea, as all 3 have done the right things but Taiwan and Singapore (which are tropical/subtropical) have significantly fewer cases than South Korea, which is not anywhere near tropical except for maybe Jeju Island.

Re: Singapore per capita being not much lower than the Bay Area, fair point but I expect the Bay Area (and the rest of the US) to drastically increase in the coming weeks, sadly.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2020, 01:24:59 AM
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I wasn’t comparing T/S/SK to the rest of the world, I was comparing Taiwan/Singapore to South Korea, as all 3 have done the right things but Taiwan and Singapore (which are tropical/subtropical) have significantly fewer cases than South Korea, which is not anywhere near tropical except for maybe Jeju Island.

I don't think there are any more cases in South Korea per capita than in Taiwan or Singapore.  What you are seeing is the success of South Korean testing program.  They've really outdone themselves compared to the rest of the world in testing.  So their numbers are higher because of that.  I don't think there are 200 times more people infected in the US than 2 weeks ago.  It's that we are testing now and people that have been infected are showing up in the numbers.  The actually number of people infected in the US is probably very much higher.  I expect us to take over the lead in the number of cases from China.  That is unless Italy beats us there first.

The number to look at is not the number of cases, but the number of deaths.  South Korea's is very low compared to anywhere else.  I don't think it's because they are doing something miraculous to save lives.  I think it's because they have tested many more people so they are showing us something closer to what the real MR is.  The mortality rate elsewhere will probably drop to match as testing is more prevalent.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Sonic77 on March 22, 2020, 01:58:28 AM
I think the telltale sign if SDCC will occur or not is if they decide to do hotelpocalypse next month.  I personally would love to go still but at this rate the odds are dropping that it'll occur as I see a lot of talent/studios backing out.  With the news that the Gilroy Garlic Festival is cancelled for July already my confidence remains low.  Just hope if they cancel they give us the option for a refund or to roll our tickets over to 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2020, 07:52:01 PM
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I wasn’t comparing T/S/SK to the rest of the world, I was comparing Taiwan/Singapore to South Korea, as all 3 have done the right things but Taiwan and Singapore (which are tropical/subtropical) have significantly fewer cases than South Korea, which is not anywhere near tropical except for maybe Jeju Island.

Confirmed cases in both Thailand and Australia spiked 50% over the weekend.  It seems they are both starting that rapid trend up in reporting that many countries have gone through.  Including here in the US.  I don't think that warm humid weather will be our salvation.  Thailand is either hot and humid or hotter and more humid.

The entire country of Australia is going into lockdown for 6 months.  With some areas more lockdowned than others.  I respect them for going with 6 months from the get go.  The 2 weeks at a time thing gives people a false sense of hope.  People think it will be over in 2 weeks.  It won't be over in 2 weeks.

Let's hope that it doesn't get so bad in San Diego that the next time we hear about the San Diego Convention Center being crowded is that it's being used as a makeshift hospital.  It's the obvious choice.  It's big and controlled by the city.  Javits Center in NYC, where they hold NYCC, is being made into a makeshift hospital.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 22, 2020, 11:52:05 PM
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I think the telltale sign if SDCC will occur or not is if they decide to do hotelpocalypse next month.  I personally would love to go still but at this rate the odds are dropping that it'll occur as I see a lot of talent/studios backing out.  With the news that the Gilroy Garlic Festival is cancelled for July already my confidence remains low.  Just hope if they cancel they give us the option for a refund or to roll our tickets over to 2021.

I don’t think that the Gilroy Garlic Festival is a good indicator. They’re still hurting from the mass shooting last year. :(

For now, I think the most likely predictor of whether SDCC happens is whether Anime Expo happens.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 23, 2020, 12:04:14 AM
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I don't think there are any more cases in South Korea per capita than in Taiwan or Singapore.  What you are seeing is the success of South Korean testing program.  They've really outdone themselves compared to the rest of the world in testing.  So their numbers are higher because of that.  I don't think there are 200 times more people infected in the US than 2 weeks ago.  It's that we are testing now and people that have been infected are showing up in the numbers.  The actually number of people infected in the US is probably very much higher.  I expect us to take over the lead in the number of cases from China.  That is unless Italy beats us there first.

The number to look at is not the number of cases, but the number of deaths.  South Korea's is very low compared to anywhere else.  I don't think it's because they are doing something miraculous to save lives.  I think it's because they have tested many more people so they are showing us something closer to what the real MR is.  The mortality rate elsewhere will probably drop to match as testing is more prevalent.

I agree that the # of deaths is a more important number than the # of cases. At this point, Korea has about 100. Especially considering they are at the end of their outbreak, that’s extremely low compared to Europe and the US...but still high compared to Taiwan and Singapore which have 2 each.

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Confirmed cases in both Thailand and Australia spiked 50% over the weekend.  It seems they are both starting that rapid trend up in reporting that many countries have gone through.  Including here in the US.  I don't think that warm humid weather will be our salvation.  Thailand is either hot and humid or hotter and more humid.

Thailand’s response has been weak, I expect things are going to get worse there than Taiwan or Singapore. I don’t think they’re going to end up getting as bad as western Europe but right now there is no way to tell.

Here’s an article which sums up what we know so far regarding climate. It’s saying that while it’s too early to declare whether weather really affects it, so far we’ve seen lower spread in states and countries that are warmer. But yes, we still absolutely need to take precautions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/warm-weather-coronavirus.html
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: aodmisery on March 23, 2020, 11:18:44 AM
The Olympics have just been postponed till 2021. So I have no hope left for cci to go on this year  :-[
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Applescruff on March 23, 2020, 11:24:38 AM
I wonder if they will give us the option of refund or transfer badges to 2021?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 23, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
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The Olympics have just been postponed till 2021. So I have no hope left for cci to go on this year  :-[

it is increasing looking like this will be a long, involved travel restriction situation. 

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I wonder if they will give us the option of refund or transfer badges to 2021?

i would suspect they're grappling with weather or not to cancel/resched. first.
but
I would guess from a business standpoint, are they ok holding the money for a year?
lots can change economically in a year- think the volatile stockmarket over the past few weeks
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Post by: Jason on March 23, 2020, 11:31:23 AM
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The Olympics have just been postponed till 2021. So I have no hope left for cci to go on this year  :-[

SDCC is done and dusted. And I know there are people who said they will go no matter what, but sometimes these decisions need to be made to stop people from harming themselves. I am as dedicated as anyone - I have been going since 2001, I have slept on the sidewalks overnight for autographs, Funko Pops, and Lego minifigures, I have spent years of my salary in the city of San Diego - but safety has to take precedence. No studio will bring any talent until this is over, no toy company or comic publisher will have any exclusives due to overseas manufacturing delays, any artist who doesn't have to show up to pay their bills will avoid the show, no Conan... All I am waiting for is CCI to announce what they will do with badges for 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 23, 2020, 11:46:59 AM
I think the Olympics postponement makes CCI's decision to postpone or cancel a lot easier, from the standpoint of, "If something as big as the Olympics is postponed, there's no good reason we should go on", especially since conventions such as Comic Con are a prime vector for virus spread, maybe more so than the Olympics.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 23, 2020, 11:52:05 AM
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it is increasing looking like this will be a long, involved travel restriction situation. 

Australia just started their lockdown.  It's for 6 months.  I respect them for doing so instead of these little 2 week ones other people have done.  It gives people the wrong impression.  This will not be done in 2 weeks.

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i would suspect they're grappling with weather or not to cancel/resched. first.
but
I would guess from a business standpoint, are they ok holding the money for a year?
lots can change economically in a year- think the volatile stockmarket over the past few weeks

Another aspect of business is whether they have insurance for this and whether it will pay off.  CCI might have to wait for either the county or the state to extend the lockdown to cover that period for the policy to take effect.  Thus they might have to wait until then to officially cancel.  I have no idea what CCI's financials are, but being a non-profit I imagine they run pretty lean.  They've already had to spend money towards putting on comic-con this year.  If they can't recoup that, one way or another, it could be an existential threat.

I don't see there being a big con until there is a vaccine.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hipchick on March 23, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
VidCon US was also just cancelled. It's lesser known than the Olympics obvi and maybe I only care about that because I go to that for work but that was happening in mid-June at the Anaheim Convention Center. I can guess that SDCC is probably deciding between postponement/full cancellation, and whether to offer badge holders the option to roll over their badges to next year or cancel/refund completely.
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Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 23, 2020, 11:55:18 AM
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Australia just started their lockdown.  It's for 6 months.  I respect them for doing so instead of these little 2 week ones other people have done.  It gives people the wrong impression.  This will not be done in 2 weeks.

Another aspect of business is whether they have insurance for this and whether it will pay off.  CCI might have to wait for either the county or the state to extend the lockdown to cover that period for the policy to take effect.  Thus they might have to wait until then to officially cancel.  I have no idea what CCI's financials are, but being a non-profit I imagine they run pretty lean.  They've already had to spend money towards putting on comic-con this year.  If they can't recoup that, one way or another, it could be an existential threat.

I don't see there being a big con until there is a vaccine.

I'm guessing "until further notice" wouldn't help them with insurance? I know here in MD they haven't really said "2 weeks." They just keep saying until further notice.
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Post by: ALF on March 23, 2020, 12:43:43 PM
Wow 6 months.. crazy.. Here in the bay area people are just flocking to the parks and the beach after a week.... This is not going to work out well for all the people that actually are staying in there home......Anyone have a case of cabin fever yet... Also some suggestion of what to do.. Just my wife ,my one year old and myself... Just order disney plus.. so far been just cleaning and cooking non stop.
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Post by: AzT on March 23, 2020, 12:53:31 PM
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavirus/city-takes-new-steps-to-protect-homeless-population-from-coronavirus/

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SAN DIEGO — San Diego will use the city’s two major event spaces as homeless shelters in an effort to get people inside and slow the spread of coronavirus, Mayor Kevin Faulconer and other local officials announced Monday.

Faulconer said more than 5,000 people in the city do not have the option to “stay home,” as ordered by state and local governments last week, because they have no permanent residence.

To address that, the mayor said the city will need more beds available at homeless shelters and more volunteers to assist those facilities. To that end, city officials have converted Golden Hall downtown into a shelter and are preparing to do the same with the San Diego Convention Center, Faulconer said.

Beds at Golden Hall will be available as early as this week, according to the mayor, with the convention center to follow later.

San Diego County has set up hand-washing stations in more than 200 locations to help those without easy access to a bathroom and has sent outreach teams to provide hygiene kits and information about coronavirus, Supervisor Nathan Fletcher said. Public health nurses have also been sent to nine different shelters around the county to assess the population and make sure people with symptoms are treated and isolated.

Hotel rooms have been made available for people who need to be quarantined, including those experiencing homelessness.

The city said more details about the plans and options to volunteer or donate would be available on their website.

Faulconer was joined by state Rep. Todd Gloria, state Senate President Pro Tem Toni Atkins and City Councilman Chris Ward in a news conference about the new measures at Golden Hall.

Gov. Gavin Newsom has said his office estimates as many as 60,000 people experiencing homelessness could contract the virus. Newsom pledged to spend $150 million on a statewide level to combat the spread.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 23, 2020, 01:00:47 PM
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https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavirus/city-takes-new-steps-to-protect-homeless-population-from-coronavirus/

This should be the final nail.

Just cancel sdcc. Think of how long it would take to clean/disinfect the Center once they decide to put the homeless back on the streets.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 23, 2020, 01:07:13 PM
should open a new tread to discuss if SDCC will be canceled or postponed, because no way its going to happen in july
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 23, 2020, 01:09:34 PM
It's becoming clearer with each passing day that SDCC 2020 is going to be canceled.

That said, don't go asking CCI for a refund just yet until official announcements are made -- because what you don't want to happen is to get left out of SDCC 2021 if CCI decides to transfer badge purchases from this year to next.  It's bad enough to miss one SDCC, but two in a row? :(
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 23, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
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It's becoming clearer with each passing day that SDCC 2020 is going to be canceled.

That said, don't go asking CCI for a refund just yet until official announcements are made -- because what you don't want to happen is to get left out of SDCC 2021 if CCI decides to transfer badge purchases from this year to next.  It's bad enough to miss one SDCC, but two in a row? :(

I'd need a refund :( I won't be able to make it next year. It sucks. I managed to get 5 day badges for my group and this was our return after skipping 5 years.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 23, 2020, 01:12:05 PM
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I'd need a refund :( I won't be able to make it next year. It sucks. I managed to get 5 day badges for my group and this was our return after skipping 5 years.

Brutal.  I feel for you.

I certainly hope it isn't another 5 years until you can attend again.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 23, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
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Brutal.  I feel for you.

I certainly hope it isn't another 5 years until you can attend again.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 23, 2020, 02:46:32 PM
Interesting to see if Hotel-Apocalypse will occur. It is due to happen in the next few weeks. I am not even sure if all the Hotels will be open. Can they even guarantee that? If even a few close down it will be a mess to deal with and another big hassle for SDCC. I bet they do have every intention to cancel, but need to wait for the govt. If the Hotel sale doesn't occur by the end of April, that's a sure sign.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 23, 2020, 04:55:19 PM
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should open a new tread to discuss if SDCC will be canceled or postponed, because no way its going to happen in july

It's already been discussed that it will be hard to postpone SDCC because hotels past the SDCC date haven't been holding their reservations for a big event like SDCC. I suppose it's possible if most hotels are not booked out in November or December it could be possible to postpone it to that time but I still think it's not likely. There's definitely no point in postponing it to next year of course.

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Interesting to see if Hotel-Apocalypse will occur. It is due to happen in the next few weeks. I am not even sure if all the Hotels will be open. Can they even guarantee that? If even a few close down it will be a mess to deal with and another big hassle for SDCC. I bet they do have every intention to cancel, but need to wait for the govt. If the Hotel sale doesn't occur by the end of April, that's a sure sign.

I hope they don't hold hotel sale next month. It might be irresponsible for them to do that because it might give people false hope that SDCC will still take place and it tie'll up a lot of money for the hotel reservation deposits when most people may really need that money for their current living situation right now.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Devorah on March 23, 2020, 05:30:35 PM
I think it would make sense for them to offer to roll badges over to next year, at least from a cash perspective. They have already incurred the expense two badge sales, and if they have to return all the funds they will be in the red. If they offer to roll over, they can keep that cash and just run one sale next year, for the returned badges. I for one would be happy to let them keep my money for a year if it means a guaranteed badge in 2021.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on March 23, 2020, 07:56:57 PM
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PmMe3DvM3Jk/Xnl0B-pjhCI/AAAAAAAAoyE/VbuTjD7qBkcaiYfLAvgiMvPuu4HmOUhVQCK8BGAsYHg/s0/2020-03-23.png

We shall see how long they need the convention center. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 23, 2020, 08:17:26 PM
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https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavirus/city-takes-new-steps-to-protect-homeless-population-from-coronavirus/

I think it's great that San Diego is taking care of the homeless population.  Before this they also secured 1400 hotel rooms.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: AzT on March 24, 2020, 07:29:05 AM
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-03-23/convention-center-may-be-housing-the-homeless-but-that-doesnt-mean-comic-con-is-a-no-go

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Tourism officials say Comic-Con organizers still have time to make a decision on holding the July gathering

As San Diego’s convention center transitions to a homeless shelter, the inevitable question arises, will Comic-Con still be taking over the bayfront venue come July when more than 135,000 people would normally be heading downtown for the four-day event?

Organizers of the pop culture extravaganza still haven’t made a decision and might not have to do so until June, San Diego Tourism Authority CEO Joe Terzi said Monday. So far, all major conventions have canceled for April, and two larger medical meetings still scheduled for May are likely to bow out, Terzi added.

The city of San Diego announced Monday that the San Diego Convention Center and Golden Hall will both be used as emergency shelters in the coming months to help prevent the spread of COVID-19 among the city’s homeless community. Comic-Con organizers confirmed Monday that they still expect to hold their July convention in San Diego.

“We applaud the actions of the city as they offer additional support to some of our community’s most vulnerable in these unprecedented times,” Comic-Con said in an emailed statement. “And while we continue to explore WonderCon dates, we are diligently working on Comic-Con. Currently, our hope is that the event will occur July 23-26, 2020, as scheduled.”

Comic-Con’s sister show, Wonder Con, which was scheduled for April in the Anaheim Convention Center, already has canceled, and organizers are trying to reschedule it. That decision was made after the state Department of Public Health advised against holding public gatherings of 250 or more people.

Terzi echoed the comments of Comic-Con organizers.

“We have been in constant contact with Comic-Con, which just went through a very difficult situation with Wonder Con,” Terzi said. “In our last conversation, which was last week, they said it’s business as usual and they continue to plan for July in San Diego. Logistically, it’s a very complex event to have, and they have a lot of work they have to do but they’ve been doing it for more than 40 years. From a noticing standpoint, my belief is they would have to make a decision by June.”

Meanwhile, many conventions, large and small, have canceled their planned meetings in March and April, including the American Association for Cancer Research, which had originally expected 24,000 attendees from around the globe to attend its annual meeting in late April. Terzi said there are still two larger conventions on the books for May — the Heart Rhythm Scientific Sessions and Advanced Wound Care Symposium — but he expects they will be canceled or postponed. The Heart Rhythm Society, whose meeting would normally draw 11,500 attendees, is expected to make a decision by April 6.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 24, 2020, 07:29:59 AM
JUNE? Are you serious?

This is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 24, 2020, 07:31:41 AM
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JUNE? Are you serious?

This is ridiculous.
Agreed.  Entirely not fair to attendees and exhibitors.  Not making a decision until June seems quite self-serving, to me.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 24, 2020, 07:35:11 AM
I actually am not surprised at this.  SDCC is a machine and it's been running for decades, so they not only have it down to a science, but it's probably down to just a "big checklist".  Given that, they're able to spin this up/down relatively quickly (as long as they've the space scheduled).

I would say that they'd have their mind made up by June 20, given that that's the "30 days until" mark.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: WonderTwin93 on March 24, 2020, 08:18:56 AM
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I actually am not surprised at this.  SDCC is a machine and it's been running for decades, so they not only have it down to a science, but it's probably down to just a "big checklist".  Given that, they're able to spin this up/down relatively quickly (as long as they've the space scheduled).

I would say that they'd have their mind made up by June 20, given that that's the "30 days until" mark.

The Olympics weren't cancelled because they couldn't pull it together logistically it's because countries were starting pull out. Same thing will likely happen to SDCC if they don't proactively cancel, we will see studios, publishers, etc decide to skip.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rickythump on March 24, 2020, 08:34:00 AM
I'm the outlier here, I don't think they are going to postpone. I'm sure it'll be a much smaller show than we are used to, but with them not making a decision until June seems like postponing/canceling is probably Plan Z.

They have a lot of events and gatherings they can watch (Memorial Day, Independence Day, etc.) to get an idea of how things are going, and lots of key points in the timeline of this virus (recovery rate, secondary spike, weather) before the end of July. It doesn't surprise me that they are continuing to wait and it wouldn't be shocked if they didn't cancel, regardless of who pulls out.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on March 24, 2020, 08:41:27 AM
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The Olympics weren't cancelled because they couldn't pull it together logistically it's because countries were starting pull out. Same thing will likely happen to SDCC if they don't proactively cancel, we will see studios, publishers, etc decide to skip.

The number of badge refund requests they get before the deadline of May 13th could influence their decision as well.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 24, 2020, 09:03:36 AM
If they do not postpone or cancel, then they get to keep all the badge sales and charge fees for refunds. It will be a horrible show.
Being a senior citizen, there is no way in hell I am going in July. They should, at the least, allow full refunds for senior badges. Come on SDCC, show us you really care.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on March 24, 2020, 09:13:43 AM
Exactly, the longer they wait the more badge refund requests they'll get.  They keep the 10% fee but I doubt they'll be able to resell all the returns.  And they'll get lots of negative buzz for holding a "lesser" con since lots of studios and vendors will pull out.  But maybe they really want to return to their roots as a comic book convention?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 24, 2020, 09:22:00 AM
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Exactly, the longer they wait the more badge refund requests they'll get.  They keep the 10% fee but I doubt they'll be able to resell all the returns.  And they'll get lots of negative buzz for holding a "lesser" con since lots of studios and vendors will pull out.  But maybe they really want to return to their roots as a comic book convention?
Perhaps, but why wait for a once-in-a-hundred years pandemic to make a return to roots?  That seems like bad PR.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on March 24, 2020, 09:25:47 AM
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Perhaps, but why wait for a once-in-a-hundred years pandemic to make a return to roots?  That seems like bad PR.
I don’t know who said it during the last recession, but the words were in affect to make sure you don’t waste the opportunity a good crisis presents.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 24, 2020, 04:54:28 PM
Yeah I don't like this waiting til June decision either nor the idea of putting on a lesser con. That'll also mean they plan on holding hotel sale sometime in April or May and want us to put down several hundred dollars for hotel deposits. And that'll put us in a spot where we'll try to figure out if we want to spend that much money for a lesser con. There's technically not wrong with their putting on a smaller con with minimal movie and TV panels but that's not worth the badge costs that they charged us. And that's not worth the costs of the super expensive hotel rooms that they want to charge us either.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on March 24, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
I guess this is a worst case example of the kind of complications that can arise when a convention is cancelled.  Hopefully, this is a one-off unique situation, but also demonstrates why parties sometimes need to wait for certain conditions to be met before they can officially cancel.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/comic-con-fans-had-coronavirus-refunds-stolen-organizer-alleges-fraud-lawsuit-1286186
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 24, 2020, 09:08:39 PM
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I guess this is a worst case example of the kind of complications that can arise when a convention is cancelled.  Hopefully, this is a one-off unique situation, but also demonstrates why parties sometimes need to wait for certain conditions to be met before they can officially cancel.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/comic-con-fans-had-coronavirus-refunds-stolen-organizer-alleges-fraud-lawsuit-1286186

Yikes. Unfortunately. it's probably not the last lawsuit that's going to happen this year surrounding a convention. I wouldn't be surprised if there's going to be a class-action lawsuit by would-be attendees against one of the cancelled conventions. Heck, I'd be mildly surprised if there wasn't a lawsuit involved if SDCC cancels.

Silicon Valley Comic Con, which is now SiliCon (blech) also uses GrowTix. I guess it's a good thing they've moved it out to October, where it has a good chance of still taking place, but if it were cancelled, I probably wouldn't expect my money back anytime soon.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 24, 2020, 09:10:15 PM
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I guess this is a worst case example of the kind of complications that can arise when a convention is cancelled.  Hopefully, this is a one-off unique situation, but also demonstrates why parties sometimes need to wait for certain conditions to be met before they can officially cancel.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/comic-con-fans-had-coronavirus-refunds-stolen-organizer-alleges-fraud-lawsuit-1286186

That sucks but I think sdcc wouldnt have thoaw problems. They successfully refunded for Wondercon afterall.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 24, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
Huh. I didn't realize it would be possible to sue companies that hold conventions like CCI if they do cancel SDCC for good reasons, like for the epidemic crisis. I can understand if people sue them for not giving proper refunds but I didn't realize the opposite could occur.

I go to Silicon Valley Con myself though I haven't bought tix for this year's con yet. It's disturbing to hear GrowTix suddenly becoming shady like this. I hope SiliCon will consider switching to another ticketing service instead.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 25, 2020, 12:36:05 AM
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Yeah I don't like this waiting til June decision either nor the idea of putting on a lesser con. That'll also mean they plan on holding hotel sale sometime in April or May and want us to put down several hundred dollars for hotel deposits. And that'll put us in a spot where we'll try to figure out if we want to spend that much money for a lesser con. There's technically not wrong with their putting on a smaller con with minimal movie and TV panels but that's not worth the badge costs that they charged us. And that's not worth the costs of the super expensive hotel rooms that they want to charge us either.

I can't fault them for reserving the right to wait until June to make a decision as so much could change (for the better or for the worse) by then. I guess it's also a risk that we take when we buy badges knowing nothing about the schedule. But regardless, I'm not going to participate in Hotelpocalypse because I don't think there's much value in any of the three scenarios:

A) SDCC gets canceled/postponed. In this case, hotels will be refunded.

B) We get some semblance of SDCC but it's not the usual. Demand will be drastically reduced. In this case, those who book at hotelpocalypse prices with a non-refundable deposit will get shafted, since plenty of hotels will be available for much cheaper closer to the show.

C) Everything gets cleared up and we get a real SDCC. Even then, I don't expect it to be too difficult to get a hotel closer to the show at average prices. Last year it was possible without too much difficulty...and this year it will be easier because even if it goes back to normal, some things will have changed permanently. More people are afraid of large crowds. Less money to go around. Plans that have dropped due to uncertainty may not be able to be picked back up by the time SDCC officially announces it's on. As you can see from the poll...about 1/3 of us aren't keen on going, and we're the diehards.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 25, 2020, 08:35:18 AM
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I can't fault them for reserving the right to wait until June to make a decision as so much could change (for the better or for the worse) by then. I guess it's also a risk that we take when we buy badges knowing nothing about the schedule. But regardless, I'm not going to participate in Hotelpocalypse because I don't think there's much value in any of the three scenarios:

A) SDCC gets canceled/postponed. In this case, hotels will be refunded.

B) We get some semblance of SDCC but it's not the usual. Demand will be drastically reduced. In this case, those who book at hotelpocalypse prices with a non-refundable deposit will get shafted, since plenty of hotels will be available for much cheaper closer to the show.

C) Everything gets cleared up and we get a real SDCC. Even then, I don't expect it to be too difficult to get something closer to the show at average prices. Last year it was possible without too much difficulty...and this year it will be easier because even if it goes back to normal, some things will have changed permanently. More people are afraid of large crowds. Less money to go around. Plans that have dropped due to uncertainty may not be able to be picked back up by the time SDCC officially announces it's on. As you can see from the poll...about 1/3 of us aren't keen on going, and we're the diehards.

I think we already passed the normal SDCC line, by now we will get option A or B... is it too crazy to think in a fall SDCC?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 25, 2020, 09:20:17 AM
It would be so much easier to just cancel and use your badges for SDCC2021. Everyone must know that most of the studios and vendors will not be there. Can you actually see LucasFilms, ABC, NBC, CBS All Access, Disney, Marvel, DC, Nick, Hulu, Netflix showing up with a seriously backed up schedule and risking their talent? Also no time to get it together now.

If the show does go on, it will not be worth what it cost to go there. Come on SDCC skip this one.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 25, 2020, 09:42:24 AM
One thing I’ve been curious about over the past few days is if toy manufacturers will still be offering SDCC exclusives (perhaps through the portal) even if there isn’t an SDCC.  Point-of-sale would be online, and products would ship to homes in US addresses.

Most of you know me as an avid collector, but I hope this isn’t the case.  The toys don’t mean a thing without the memories.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 25, 2020, 10:07:02 AM
Companies like Mattel and Hasbro are already setup that way. And the rest of the bigger toy companies already have online portals. So as far as the toys go, the only effect would be the slowdown of production. The people who didn't score an SDCC badge would be very happy.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Sonic77 on March 25, 2020, 10:10:08 AM
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One thing I’ve been curious about over the past few days is if toy manufacturers will still be offering SDCC exclusives (perhaps through the portal) even if there isn’t an SDCC.  Point-of-sale would be online, and products would ship to homes in US addresses.

Most of you know me as an avid collector, but I hope this isn’t the case.  The toys don’t mean a thing without the memories.

I'm sure they'll still be offering the exclusives they made for SDCC through online sales if SDCC doesn't go on, I know several of them did this for ECCC and plan to do this for the Wondercon exclusives as well.  The only way I can personally see them being offered in the portal is if they delay announcing a cancellation until June time frame.  Totally agree on your opinion though the exclusives mean a lot less when you don't have that memory attached to it.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 25, 2020, 11:43:42 AM
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One thing I’ve been curious about over the past few days is if toy manufacturers will still be offering SDCC exclusives (perhaps through the portal) even if there isn’t an SDCC.  Point-of-sale would be online, and products would ship to homes in US addresses.

Most of you know me as an avid collector, but I hope this isn’t the case.  The toys don’t mean a thing without the memories.

They do this ever year to sell off stuff that doesn't sell out at comic-con.  Some companies may even hold back stock since I've seen things completely sold out at comic-con but then a week later they available on a company's website.

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The people who didn't score an SDCC badge would be very happy.

They could work with CCI to have a first round of selling only for comic-con badge holders.  If they wanted to, they could still have the lottery.  I don't know if it would be worth the effort for all parties involved.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on March 25, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
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I can't fault them for reserving the right to wait until June to make a decision as so much could change (for the better or for the worse) by then. I guess it's also a risk that we take when we buy badges knowing nothing about the schedule. But regardless, I'm not going to participate in Hotelpocalypse because I don't think there's much value in any of the three scenarios:

A) SDCC gets canceled/postponed. In this case, hotels will be refunded.

B) We get some semblance of SDCC but it's not the usual. Demand will be drastically reduced. In this case, those who book at hotelpocalypse prices with a non-refundable deposit will get shafted, since plenty of hotels will be available for much cheaper closer to the show.

C) Everything gets cleared up and we get a real SDCC. Even then, I don't expect it to be too difficult to get a hotel closer to the show at average prices. Last year it was possible without too much difficulty...and this year it will be easier because even if it goes back to normal, some things will have changed permanently. More people are afraid of large crowds. Less money to go around. Plans that have dropped due to uncertainty may not be able to be picked back up by the time SDCC officially announces it's on. As you can see from the poll...about 1/3 of us aren't keen on going, and we're the diehards.
I agree; we're literally 4-months away (slightly less, since 4 months from today would be Sat. Comic-Con) and who knows what this situation will be like.  I've been teetering back & forth between 'they won't cancel' and 'they'll probably cancel.'  The public sentiment in the Union Tribune this week gives me hope that this event will still occur, and I'm more optimistic at this time.  I honestly think that in 4 months we'll be READY to celebrate the end of this pandemic; we'll be in NEED of a release.  The comics industry is in a tail spin right now, with Diamond suspending distribution and comic shops hanging by an incredibly thin thread.  Film & TV productions are on hold, even with films that ended principal photography months ago.  BLACK WIDOW ended principal photography in October 2019, but because studios tweak CGI FX unit the last moment (or post-theatrical opening, as was the case with CATS) BLACK WIDOW still had to postpone its May release.  Same with TV shows, with "The Walking Dead" unable to finish production on an episode a little over two weeks to air!

The entertainment world is going to need a release and party, and Comic-Con could be just the thing!  That's OF COURSE contingent on the world having the pandemic more under control before mid-July.  I respect CCI for waiting as long as possible before canceling such a huge event: there's no need to cancel now.  The Olympics, for example (since I've seen that canceling referenced) have a myriad of well-in-advance-of-the-event moving parts for countries' athletes to have to prepare: trials, qualification, training, etc. that is currently not happening.  It makes sense for the IOC to cancel now since all of the pre-events leading up to the Olympics are currently canceled. 

I'm hopeful at the moment we can get through this.  Of course, I live in San Diego & qualify for a Pro badge, so my only expense is parking or the trolley: so this is an 'easy' decision for me personally from a financial issue (no flights or hotels to have to book at the worry of canceling and dealing with refunds down-the-road) & I get the concerns out-of-towners have at this time.  If Comic-Con goes on I will likely be more excited for this event than I've been in a long time (2020 would be my 21st consecutive SD Comic-Con), as I will treat this like a true celebration of pop arts.  I'll appreciate the event more than I've likely truly appreciated it in a long time.  If it's smaller? So be it: I was attending before Hall H was a thing, or before Preview Night existed, or before it was a sell-out event.  I suspect a lot of industry types might have a similar excitement in July, as well, and if everything works out I look forward to attending Comic-Con!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 25, 2020, 12:39:34 PM
You do realize it takes months for many exhibitors to prepare. These are the months now and they are not working. Having a positive attitude is great but lets be a little more realistic. What is the problem with waiting a year. Why does everything have to be now. This attitude is what will prolong the virus.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 25, 2020, 03:30:12 PM
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I can't fault them for reserving the right to wait until June to make a decision as so much could change (for the better or for the worse) by then. I guess it's also a risk that we take when we buy badges knowing nothing about the schedule. But regardless, I'm not going to participate in Hotelpocalypse because I don't think there's much value in any of the three scenarios:

A) SDCC gets canceled/postponed. In this case, hotels will be refunded.

B) We get some semblance of SDCC but it's not the usual. Demand will be drastically reduced. In this case, those who book at hotelpocalypse prices with a non-refundable deposit will get shafted, since plenty of hotels will be available for much cheaper closer to the show.

C) Everything gets cleared up and we get a real SDCC. Even then, I don't expect it to be too difficult to get a hotel closer to the show at average prices. Last year it was possible without too much difficulty...and this year it will be easier because even if it goes back to normal, some things will have changed permanently. More people are afraid of large crowds. Less money to go around. Plans that have dropped due to uncertainty may not be able to be picked back up by the time SDCC officially announces it's on. As you can see from the poll...about 1/3 of us aren't keen on going, and we're the diehards.

Perhaps I am criticizing them too early at this point. They haven't had hotel sale yet. But if they do and hotels still charge at the current rates or even higher than last year's rates? That would not be good. I think my fear is scenario B-- hotels are still super expensive, we get a smaller con with minimal panels, we don't get a choice of badge refund at all past their original refund deadline date. If scenario B happens, a lot of people will be angry and it'll ruin some of their reputation.

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I agree; we're literally 4-months away (slightly less, since 4 months from today would be Sat. Comic-Con) and who knows what this situation will be like.  I've been teetering back & forth between 'they won't cancel' and 'they'll probably cancel.'  The public sentiment in the Union Tribune this week gives me hope that this event will still occur, and I'm more optimistic at this time.  I honestly think that in 4 months we'll be READY to celebrate the end of this pandemic; we'll be in NEED of a release.  The comics industry is in a tail spin right now, with Diamond suspending distribution and comic shops hanging by an incredibly thin thread.  Film & TV productions are on hold, even with films that ended principal photography months ago.  BLACK WIDOW ended principal photography in October 2019, but because studios tweak CGI FX unit the last moment (or post-theatrical opening, as was the case with CATS) BLACK WIDOW still had to postpone its May release.  Same with TV shows, with "The Walking Dead" unable to finish production on an episode a little over two weeks to air!

The entertainment world is going to need a release and party, and Comic-Con could be just the thing!  That's OF COURSE contingent on the world having the pandemic more under control before mid-July.  I respect CCI for waiting as long as possible before canceling such a huge event: there's no need to cancel now.  The Olympics, for example (since I've seen that canceling referenced) have a myriad of well-in-advance-of-the-event moving parts for countries' athletes to have to prepare: trials, qualification, training, etc. that is currently not happening.  It makes sense for the IOC to cancel now since all of the pre-events leading up to the Olympics are currently canceled. 

I think that's the main problem here. Is there any reason why we should believe the outbreak is any less in 4 months from now? We haven't hit our peak yet. There is no vaccine until next year. They haven't increased the testing enough yet; many sick people are still being turned away. Our country hasn't really started mass producing any masks yet-- we're still trying to buy them from China. Good luck on buying masks once China hits their 2nd wave. We have't looked enough into potential drug treatment and most doctors are still afraid to prescribe anything off-label right now. We'll be lucky if we barely end our shutdown in 3-4 months, let alone hold big, expensive events.

You bring up the Oympics. Olympics are a good example of how big event organizers should adjust their plan realistically. They're not pretending it might be postponed to the end of this year. No they're expecting to hold it in 2021 as they should. I understand Olympics are a much bigger event than SDCC but I feel CCI should be realistic too. Unless they're trying to be sneaky about it and trying to keep the money they collected for badges and want to try to run a smaller con.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 25, 2020, 04:52:08 PM
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You bring up the Oympics. Olympics are a good example of how big event organizers should adjust their plan realistically. They're not pretending it might be postponed to the end of this year. No they're expecting to hold it in 2021 as they should. I understand Olympics are a much bigger event than SDCC but I feel CCI should be realistic too. Unless they're trying to be sneaky about it and trying to keep the money they collected for badges and want to try to run a smaller con.

I don't think you can compare the Olympics to CCI.  Olympics is a large international organization and the CCI is a small non-profit.  One big point is that the Olympics doesn't pay for much.  The host country does.  The postponement is going to cost Japan 5 billion dollars.  That's in addition to the 20-30 billion it's already put in.

As I've said before, I think CCI being a small non-profit runs pretty lean.  They don't have a huge bank account.  What comes in is used to pay off their expenses every year to put on the cons.  They've already spent money spinning up for this year.  Unless they have insurance that can make them whole, it may be an existential threat.  They probably have to wait to be cancelled instead voluntarily cancelling in order for the insurance to pay off.

I guess I have more faith in CCI than some.  CCI will do the right thing.  They aren't going to run off with the money.  I think it's ridiculously that people even think that's a possibility.

The thing they could do to assuage fears is push back the refund deadline.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 25, 2020, 04:58:46 PM
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I don't think you can compare the Olympics to CCI.  Olympics is a large international organization and the CCI is a small non-profit.  One big point is that the Olympics doesn't pay for much.  The host country does.  The postponement is going to cost Japan 5 billion dollars.  That's in addition to the 20-30 billion it's already put in.

As I've said before, I think CCI being a small non-profit runs pretty lean.  They don't have a huge bank account.  What comes in is used to pay off their expenses every year to put on the cons.  They've already spent money spinning up for this year.  Unless they have insurance that can make them whole, it may be an existential threat.  They probably have to wait to be cancelled instead voluntarily cancelling in order for the insurance to pay off.

I guess I have more faith in CCI than some.  CCI will do the right thing.  They aren't going to run off with the money.  I think it's ridiculously that people even think that's a possibility.

The thing they could do to assuage fears is push back the refund deadline.

Dont see anyone saying they are afraid Comic Con will run off with our money.

It is kinda ridiculous that San Diego hasnt asked for it to be cancelled though since they are using the convention center as a homeless shelter
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: imecoli on March 25, 2020, 06:02:44 PM
It may be nonprofit however, the impact ot has on the gaslamp district is beyond comparison.  This is what all the businesses count on to keep their books balanced.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 25, 2020, 06:12:27 PM
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It may be nonprofit however, the impact ot has on the gaslamp district is beyond comparison.  This is what all the businesses count on to keep their books balanced.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on March 25, 2020, 06:28:54 PM
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I don't think you can compare the Olympics to CCI.  Olympics is a large international organization and the CCI is a small non-profit.  One big point is that the Olympics doesn't pay for much.  The host country does.  The postponement is going to cost Japan 5 billion dollars.  That's in addition to the 20-30 billion it's already put in.

As I've said before, I think CCI being a small non-profit runs pretty lean.  They don't have a huge bank account.  What comes in is used to pay off their expenses every year to put on the cons.  They've already spent money spinning up for this year.  Unless they have insurance that can make them whole, it may be an existential threat.  They probably have to wait to be cancelled instead voluntarily cancelling in order for the insurance to pay off.

I guess I have more faith in CCI than some.  CCI will do the right thing.  They aren't going to run off with the money.  I think it's ridiculously that people even think that's a possibility.

The thing they could do to assuage fears is push back the refund deadline.

I'm not scared that CCI will run off with our money. I'm concerned that they're going to take our money and run a smaller con with minimal TV/movie panels and ask for $300-600+ in hotel deposits and refuse to give any refunds past their standard deadlines.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on March 25, 2020, 08:07:06 PM
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I'm not scared that CCI will run off with our money. I'm concerned that they're going to take our money and run a smaller con with minimal TV/movie panels and ask for $300-600+ in hotel deposits and refuse to give any refunds past their standard deadlines.

I agree.  Maybe they'll extend the badge refund deadline?  And when to hold the hotel sale?  After the refund deadline actually makes sense this year, give people a chance to see how the pandemic is progressing.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on March 25, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
Maybe a good, but small, first step would be to waive the traditional 10% fee if someone would like to get a refund while the fate of the con is undecided given the extraordinary circumstances of this whole thing.

The person could be taking a chance if they decide to roll over badges to next year because the whole thing gets cancelled, but for some folks they already know they don't want to go even if it goes on and may want/need their money for more urgent things at the moment.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on March 25, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
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Maybe a good, but small, first step would be to waive the traditional 10% fee if someone would like to get a refund while the fate of the con is undecided given the extraordinary circumstances of this whole thing.

The person could be taking a chance if they decide to roll over badges to next year because the whole thing gets cancelled, but for some folks they already know they don't want to go even if it goes on and may want/need their money for more urgent things at the moment.
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 26, 2020, 05:28:43 AM
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Maybe a good, but small, first step would be to waive the traditional 10% fee if someone would like to get a refund while the fate of the con is undecided given the extraordinary circumstances of this whole thing.

The person could be taking a chance if they decide to roll over badges to next year because the whole thing gets cancelled, but for some folks they already know they don't want to go even if it goes on and may want/need their money for more urgent things at the moment.

Agreed. 10% might not sound like a lot but when people are losing jobs and not sure they'll be able to pay rent or bills, it all adds up.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on March 26, 2020, 06:01:38 AM
Has anyone here asked for a refund yet?  And if so have they mentioned waiving the fee?
I mean if so many of you aren't going for sure already, surely some one has started the process.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 26, 2020, 06:10:21 AM
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Has anyone here asked for a refund yet?  And if so have they mentioned waiving the fee?
I mean if so many of you aren't going for sure already, surely some one has started the process.

I just sent an email asking.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on March 26, 2020, 08:33:36 AM
Another Day....Another game of "Will They Cancel or Not Cancel Comic Con? Step on down.... :-[
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 26, 2020, 10:06:13 AM
As I posted before, I emailed CCI about the 10% fee. After failing to answer my question about it being waived and just saying the con is still planned to happen, I email again saying I understand that but if someone felt uncomfortable about traveling/attending, would the 10% fees still be charged. The answer is yes.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on March 26, 2020, 10:53:56 AM
Thanks for checking, sucks that they can't be more understanding at this time, but good for folks to know I suppose.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 26, 2020, 11:00:09 AM
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Thanks for checking, sucks that they can't be more understanding at this time, but good for folks to know I suppose.

You're welcome!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 26, 2020, 11:07:38 AM
A good indication they will take every opportunity to not cancel even though it will be a very limited show and not what we paid for.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on March 26, 2020, 11:18:56 AM
I think they will end up canceling and give us a choice of keeping our badges for next year or requesting a full refund. That’s what many mainstream arts organizations, including mine, are doing with cancelled performances.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 26, 2020, 11:24:09 AM
If SDCC screws up and doesn't handle this right. That will be the end of SDCC as we know it. If any studios or exhibitors want to back out and SDCC says no. They won't be coming back. Great opportunity for another promoter to take over. They need to bite the bullet and cancel until next year. All about greed. The White House would be proud.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 26, 2020, 11:27:27 AM
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I think they will end up canceling and give us a choice of keeping our badges for next year or requesting a full refund. That’s what many mainstream arts organizations, including mine, are doing with cancelled performances.


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Absolutely the best option.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 26, 2020, 11:44:51 AM
I think it's a little too soon to call SDCC "greedy" and throw them under the bus. They are a non-profit and although their absolute budget is huge, their organization and staff are really small. They have contracts already in place for this year that they may not be able to get out of - or at least that they may not be able to get out of YET. They might need to wait on making a final decision until local governments have issued more concrete statements about gatherings during that timeframe, in order to keep their financial commitments.

Also, while I love SDCC, communication with attendees has never been their strong suit. Just because as of right now they are not waiving the 10% fee does not mean they won't change that policy down the line. If you need a refund right now, then that sucks, but frankly, a lot sucks right now. If you don't need the refund immediately, I suggest waiting and seeing if their policy evolves - or considering that 10% as a donation to keep SDCC alive.

Even if the con doesn't happen this year, SDCC has already paid EPIC for their services and the credit card interchange fees. Those costs won't be refunded to them either. So it sucks for everyone.

I agree that if the convention happens this year it will probably be reduced and "not what we paid for". But if they are allowed to hold it , it might be the difference between having a "terrible" con this year and a normal one in 2021 - or NEVER having one again.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 26, 2020, 11:48:15 AM
They could 100% change their mind about the fee, and it even says that on the Refund page on the CCI website. I was just passing along what I was told since I did see someone ask if anyone had questioned them about the fee.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: JKingoftheNerds on March 26, 2020, 12:11:37 PM
I just saw Carina McKenzie (the head writer for Roswell, NM) say she was "pretty bummed about [SDCC] being cancelled" on her Instagram stories. Obviously, this probably doesn't mean much, except that she's assuming that it's going to be cancelled, but OTOH she did say it like it's a foregone conclusion so I wonder if the studios (Carina works with the CW) are already taking that same mindset.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 26, 2020, 12:18:51 PM
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I just saw Carina McKenzie (the head writer for Roswell, NM) say she was "pretty bummed about [SDCC] being cancelled" on her Instagram stories. Obviously, this probably doesn't mean much, except that she's assuming that it's going to be cancelled, but OTOH she did say it like it's a foregone conclusion so I wonder if the studios (Carina works with the CW) are already taking that same mindset.

I'm sure studios and networks have probably already made up their minds about being at the show, even if it does happen. With filming shut down on pretty much everything, if things do "slow down" I'm sure these networks and studios will be more concerned about getting back to filming than attending a con.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 26, 2020, 12:30:29 PM
The ONLY reason I have not requested a refund yet is in the hopes I can apply the badges to 2021. I do not want to attend this year because SDCC is going to suck this year if it happens. No one can dispute that fact. But if they don't cancel by the refund cutoff, I will request a refund and take the 10% hit. My real concern is the one group badge that someone else, whoever that was, paid for. Not sure I will ever see that money again.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 26, 2020, 12:49:31 PM
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A good indication they will take every opportunity to not cancel even though it will be a very limited show and not what we paid for.

If SDCC screws up and doesn't handle this right. That will be the end of SDCC as we know it. If any studios or exhibitors want to back out and SDCC says no. They won't be coming back. Great opportunity for another promoter to take over. They need to bite the bullet and cancel until next year. All about greed. The White House would be proud.

We pay for badges knowing nothing about the show, other than maybe a few comic guests that 99+% of attendees don't care about. If you are sure that the show is not going to be what you want this year and are waiting to see if they give you the option to roll them over to 2021 then fair enough, but if you're just going to talk smack about them based on things that may or may not happen in the next 4 months then it seems it would be better to just to cancel your badge and get the 10% back while you have the option.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 26, 2020, 01:14:32 PM
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Another Day....Another game of "Will They Cancel or Not Cancel Comic Con? Step on down.... :-[
I just realized we’ve turned into sports talk radio, when there’s an ongoing storyline that just drags out. Before this past week, we had to put up with “Where is Tom Brady going?” And all the back & forth speculation with very few concrete news and facts to go on, up until his decision to sign with Tampa Bay. We’re in this situation now with the state of SDCC 2020.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on March 26, 2020, 01:17:47 PM
I believe that we will have a definitive answer before the refund deadline.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on March 26, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
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I'm sure studios and networks have probably already made up their minds about being at the show, even if it does happen. With filming shut down on pretty much everything, if things do "slow down" I'm sure these networks and studios will be more concerned about getting back to filming than attending a con.
Then again, think of how many times they’ve shown us raw footage. Cowboys and Aliens was only two weeks into production. SDCC would be a good way to start spinning up audience interest again. That said, I think they’re going to cancel.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 26, 2020, 02:27:13 PM
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We pay for badges knowing nothing about the show, other than maybe a few comic guests that 99+% of attendees don't care about. If you are sure that the show is not going to be what you want this year and are waiting to see if they give you the option to roll them over to 2021 then fair enough, but if you're just going to talk smack about them based on things that may or may not happen in the next 4 months then it seems it would be better to just to cancel your badge and get the 10% back while you have the option.
I do plan to cancel, but waiting to see what they do by the refund deadline. No way I want to attend this show now. I may not know everything about the show, but I do know this one would be a bust and not worth going to. Under normal conditions, I know enough that there are lots to do and see. Not this time. Go ahead and attend, then come back here and complain about how no one was there. My point is this is expensive to go to, and not worth it this year for attendees or exhibitors.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Chris on March 26, 2020, 03:51:42 PM
I would imagine that a lot of panelists might not want to come either.

This is where the international in CCI hurts them a bit.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 26, 2020, 04:12:00 PM
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I would imagine that a lot of panelists might not want to come either.

This is where the international in CCI hurts them a bit.

But other than moving it out of the United States, what can CCI do?

According to the BBC, the US has more confirmed cases of covid than any other country.  We are just starting our exponential ramp up.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 26, 2020, 04:18:24 PM
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But other than moving it out of the United States, what can CCI do?

According to the BBC, the US has more confirmed cases of covid than any other country.  We are just starting our exponential ramp up.
That's because we don't take it as seriously as other countries. The pandemic will grow until everyone starts taking it seriously.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 26, 2020, 05:04:11 PM
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But other than moving it out of the United States, what can CCI do?

According to the BBC, the US has more confirmed cases of covid than any other country.  We are just starting our exponential ramp up.

Well they can cancel it. Thats always an option. ;p
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on March 26, 2020, 09:18:11 PM
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That's because we don't take it as seriously as other countries. The pandemic will grow until everyone starts taking it seriously.

I think people will take it seriously when all their parents start dying. By then, it will be too late.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Chris on March 26, 2020, 09:24:39 PM
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But other than moving it out of the United States, what can CCI do?

According to the BBC, the US has more confirmed cases of covid than any other country.  We are just starting our exponential ramp up.

Not saying that CCI could or should do anything.  Saying that panelists might choose to not show up.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 26, 2020, 10:57:59 PM
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Not saying that CCI could or should do anything.  Saying that panelists might choose to not show up.

The problem is domestic now, not international.  So if a panelist doesn't want to show up due to fear of covid, then they wouldn't want to show up for a con in the US.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 27, 2020, 08:15:04 PM
Entertainment Weekly did a write-up today on SDCC:
https://ew.com/events/comic-con/san-diego-comic-con-2020-coronavirus/

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Right now, we hear that SDCC is quietly proceeding as if everything is still on track. Representatives for the event did not respond to request for comment. Studio representatives say they are, in turn, waiting to see what the event's organizers decide before making their own verdicts.

It's bewildering that multi-billion dollar multimedia/broadcasting companies are deferring to little nonprofit CCI on this one.

If anything, perhaps this shows just how much clout CCI wields.  Fascinating to see how this all plays out.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 27, 2020, 09:02:39 PM
That comment earlier that a few comic people that 99+% of the people don't care about....this is bugging me. I understand that SDCC has a different feel, but the heart of it is comics. I've sat with a bunch of friends here debating comics. I see long lines to talk to writers/artists. I'm not a snob and poo-poo people that come to buy toys or gawk at celebrities, but I assure you, we love the creators.
SDCC happens! Because that means we will have gone back to a normal life.



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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 28, 2020, 12:53:45 AM
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That comment earlier that a few comic people that 99+% of the people don't care about....this is bugging me. I understand that SDCC has a different feel, but the heart of it is comics. I've sat with a bunch of friends here debating comics. I see long lines to talk to writers/artists. I'm not a snob and poo-poo people that come to buy toys or gawk at celebrities, but I assure you, we love the creators.
SDCC happens! Because that means we will have gone back to a normal life.

Sorry if the comment bugs you. I think it’s great that you and your friends love the creators, and that they have a long line. :) I like many of them too. But what I was saying is that the few comic guests that are announced before the sale is not why the show instantly sells out, or why people have a meltdown on the CCI Facebook page after not getting tickets. Just how SDCC has become.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 28, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
SDCC is a great show, but it won't be this year. If you want a great show again, wait until 2021. But for now stay home and keep us all safe.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 28, 2020, 09:43:23 AM
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SDCC is a great show, but it won't be this year. If you want a great show again, wait until 2021. But for now stay home and keep us all safe.

the responsible thing to do, things won´t go to normal in 4 months
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: waltbionik on March 28, 2020, 01:10:09 PM
I just got an e-mail from the Best Western Plus Island Palms Hotel and Marina in Shelter Island (I stayed there one year for SDCC) that that hotel will be closed from March 27th-May 31st.
Of course, SDCC dates are well after that, but how will it affect the lottery if some hotels will actually be closed through May? True, this is just one hotel on Shelter Island, but I'm pretty sure this won't be the only hotel to close. Covid-19 seems to have a domino effect on things.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on March 29, 2020, 11:56:07 AM
Not exactly the same thing, but a fairly sizable event (around 750,000 people) closer to Comic Con's dates was cancelled yesterday.

The Detroit Auto Show which was supposed to happen 6/6-6/20.

A big reason is that the convention center being used for it is now being used as a field hospital.

So the question could be how long does the city plan to use the convention center as a shelter.

It looks like right now the convention center still has events listed on their page as early as the start of May, so maybe they don't think it will be very long.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 29, 2020, 02:04:19 PM
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Here’s an article which sums up what we know so far regarding climate. It’s saying that while it’s too early to declare whether weather really affects it, so far we’ve seen lower spread in states and countries that are warmer. But yes, we still absolutely need to take precautions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/warm-weather-coronavirus.html

The confirmed cases in hot and humid Central and South America have been spiking for the last week.  It wasn't a matter of the heat and humidity defeating covid, it was the lack of reporting.  In the two most populous countries, Mexico and Brazil, they had been completely dismissing it.  Now that so many people have fallen ill, Mexico is finally starting to grudgingly accept it as a concern.  Brazil is still dismissing it.  As the President of Brazil says, "Some people will die, that's life."

So the low number of reported cases in hot and humid areas appears to have more to do with attitude, wealth and ability.  It's hard enough for the rich and powerful nations to test, it's much harder for the poorer nations without resources.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on March 29, 2020, 02:11:55 PM
In Brazil’s case, a moron for a leader really does not help!


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 29, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
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In Brazil’s case, a moron for a leader really does not help!


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Doesn't help in the US either.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 29, 2020, 02:25:35 PM
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The confirmed cases in hot and humid Central and South America have been spiking for the last week.  It wasn't a matter of the heat and humidity defeating covid, it was the lack of reporting.  In the two most populous countries, Mexico and Brazil, they had been completely dismissing it.  Now that so many people have fallen ill, Mexico is finally starting to grudgingly accept it as a concern.  Brazil is still dismissing it.  As the President of Brazil says, "Some people will die, that's life."

So the low number of reported cases in hot and humid areas appears to have more to do with attitude, wealth and ability.  It's hard enough for the rich and powerful nations to test, it's much harder for the poorer nations without resources.

Still too early to tell. No one is saying that heat and humidity stops COVID completely, the hypothesis is that it’s a factor in slowing the spread.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 29, 2020, 03:03:07 PM
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Still too early to tell. No one is saying that heat and humidity stops COVID completely, the hypothesis is that it’s a factor in slowing the spread.
Since COVID-19 has been determined to not be an airborne virus, The heat and humidity will not be a factor. It can be 110 degrees with 80% humidity and if someone coughs or sneezes or touches something in a grocery store, you can still get it. The only advantage is people tend to not gather outside as much.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 29, 2020, 03:12:41 PM
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Since COVID-19 has been determined to not be an airborne virus, The heat and humidity will not be a factor. It can be 110 degrees with 80% humidity and if someone coughs or sneezes or touches something in a grocery store, you can still get it. The only advantage is people tend to not gather outside as much.

Expert opinion is mixed on how “airborne” it is, and even if it doesn’t remain airborne it can still land on surfaces that people touch...leading to the valid question of what effect temperature has on how long they live on the surfaces. Again, too early to tell.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/28/823292062/who-reviews-available-evidence-on-coronavirus-transmission-through-air
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 29, 2020, 03:18:49 PM
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Doesn't help in the US either.

Are you watching the daily White House press conference right now?  Trump has repeatedly expressed doubt that a hospital can use so many face masks.  He wonders if it's "going out the back door".  He thinks that it should be checked out.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 29, 2020, 04:19:11 PM
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Expert opinion is mixed on how “airborne” it is, and even if it doesn’t remain airborne it can still land on surfaces that people touch...leading to the valid question of what effect temperature has on how long they live on the surfaces. Again, too early to tell.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/28/823292062/who-reviews-available-evidence-on-coronavirus-transmission-through-air
Airborne means it travels distances in the air. It flies out your mouth and lands on a surface is not airborne. COVID-19 is not an airborne type virus.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on March 29, 2020, 09:10:28 PM
Has CCI announced the dates for 2021 yet? Because rumor is the Olympics are going to be starting on July 23rd, 2021, so SDCC might coincide with the Olympics again.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 29, 2020, 09:21:46 PM
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Has CCI announced the dates for 2021 yet? Because rumor is the Olympics are going to be starting on July 23rd, 2021, so SDCC might coincide with the Olympics again.

Not officially...but there’s a “Private Convention with Trade Show” with 135,000 attendees scheduled from 7/22/21 - 7/25/21:

https://visitsandiego.com/events/18-month
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 29, 2020, 09:28:50 PM
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Airborne means it travels distances in the air. It flies out your mouth and lands on a surface is not airborne. COVID-19 is not an airborne type virus.

Again, expert opinion is mixed on that. And here’s one tragic real life example that would suggest that it is airborne, at least somewhat:

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on March 29, 2020, 10:25:57 PM
Since I see this debate going on, here’s another link about the coronavirus and how it spreads: https://www.mdlinx.com/internal-medicine/article/6487

And CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fabout%2Findex.html

Overall, the evidence says that the coronavirus is airborne due to how long tiny droplets can float in the air. I hope these links help, as well as what Hikanteki shared from the LAT.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on March 30, 2020, 01:43:35 AM
The LA Times article really would argue against any large enclosed gathering of people.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on March 30, 2020, 09:01:44 AM
A major tech convention scheduled for mid-June in Las Vegas has been canceled -
https://www.avnetwork.com/news/infocomm-2020-cancelled
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 30, 2020, 09:20:43 AM
Lets face it. SDCC is a bust this year. SDCC hasn't released any new waves of guests since 3/9 and there is no talk of exclusives being offered on the SDCC Blog. Normally by now the info would be busting out. Mattel, Hasbro, and Funko would have started releasing their exclusive lists. Studios would be leaking info. I hear through the grapevine that Conan is a no go now. And there is no sign of the hotel sale. Even if SDCC did go through with it. Who would be there? Certainly not me.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on March 30, 2020, 09:28:20 AM
If Hotelpocalypse doesn’t happen in April, I would not bet on SDCC occurring this year.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: SamTurtledove on March 30, 2020, 09:38:07 AM
Mattel usually signals their offerings in May, Hasbro in June. I think any news right now would have been Wondercon exclusives anyway.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 30, 2020, 10:05:20 AM
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Mattel usually signals their offerings in May, Hasbro in June. I think any news right now would have been Wondercon exclusives anyway.
Mattel is in California and Funko in Washington State. I am sure those people aren't working right now. Hasbro is in Rhode Island where their numbers are climbing.
None of these companies will be prepared for SDCC. Even getting stock in time from China would be a challenge. Just face facts. Happening or not, SDCC is a bust this year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: SamTurtledove on March 30, 2020, 10:20:57 AM
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Mattel is in California and Funko in Washington State. I am sure those people aren't working right now. Hasbro is in Rhode Island where their numbers are climbing.
None of these companies will be prepared for SDCC. Even getting stock in time from China would be a challenge. Just face facts. Happening or not, SDCC is a bust this year.
Mattel and Hasbro can always ship after the convention.  The details of how they can sell convention stock in the age of COVID will be a challenge.  I'm getting more shipments from Hasbro this week and Mattel just shipped their HWC Membership kit that arrives tomorrow.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: f22raptor on March 30, 2020, 11:42:31 AM
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If Hotelpocalypse doesn’t happen in April, I would not bet on SDCC occurring this year.


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Given that the lockdown got extended to April 30,  I would expect the announcement on Hotelpocalypse in early May. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 30, 2020, 01:09:05 PM
If CCI is going to reserve the right to wait until June to decide whether SDCC is happening (which in itself I don't mind), then the proper thing would be to delay the hotel sale until June (or until they're reasonably sure it's happening) as well.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 30, 2020, 01:56:12 PM
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If CCI is going to reserve the right to wait until June to decide whether SDCC is happening (which in itself I don't mind), then the proper thing would be to delay the hotel sale until June (or until they're reasonably sure it's happening) as well.

A hotel sale only a month in advance is going to be a disaster in itself.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on March 30, 2020, 02:02:54 PM
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A hotel sale only a month in advance is going to be a disaster in itself.
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 30, 2020, 02:23:54 PM
It's fascinating isn't it...our relationship with and intense love for Comic-Con.

The only thing that could possibly prevent us -- con's most passionate followers -- from attending, is the one thing we never saw coming: a once-in-a-hundred year virus outbreak.  There's almost a comedic element to the whole thing...like it literally took this to keep us from going ;D

This whole quarantine period has me in deep thought about lots of things, not the least of which is a more profound appreciation not for once-a-year events like SDCC, but rather the unexciting, mundane daily activities I have taken for granted my whole life.

From someone who enjoys the unique and unusual, I've never looked more forward to normalcy.




Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 30, 2020, 02:25:59 PM
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A hotel sale only a month in advance is going to be a disaster in itself.

Not as big of a disaster or as irresponsible as holding the sale, collecting the deposits, and then either having to figure out whether to refund them, roll them over, or ward off people who will ask for refunds when they realize that the show isn't going to turn out to be what they want it to be.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 30, 2020, 02:34:04 PM
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Not as big of a disaster or as irresponsible as holding the sale, collecting the deposits, and then either having to figure out whether to refund them, roll them over, or ward off people who will ask for refunds when they realize that the show isn't going to turn out to be what they want it to be.

All the amaller Cons are going through the same thing. Not as much of an issue as SDCC due to its size but still. They also had to cancel holding Wrestlemania in Tampa. Think of the hassle that was.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 30, 2020, 02:44:50 PM
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All the amaller Cons are going through the same thing. Not as much of an issue as SDCC due to its size but still. They also had to cancel holding Wrestlemania in Tampa. Think of the hassle that was.

Size is not a "but still," it's one of the major issues. No other comic convention has a hotel sale as big and complicated as hotelpocalypse.

Also, there's a big difference between having to cancel the blocks for a sale that has already happened, vs. going ahead with a sale for an event that could very well not happen. 

And yes exactly -- it was probably a big hassle to cancel Wrestlemania. The best thing to do is minimize the hassle as much as possible.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 30, 2020, 02:51:23 PM
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Size is not a "but still," it's one of the major issues. No other comic convention has a hotel sale as big and complicated as hotelpocalypse.

Also, there's a big difference between having to cancel the blocks for a sale that has already happened, vs. going ahead with a sale for an event that could very well not happen. 

And yes exactly -- it was probably a big hassle to cancel Wrestlemania. The best thing to do is minimize the hassle as much as possible.

My point being if they have to wait til june to even have a hotel sale I doubt sdcc will happen.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 30, 2020, 02:59:50 PM
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My point being if they have to wait til june to even have a hotel sale I doubt sdcc will happen.

I agree on that.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 30, 2020, 03:05:52 PM
The April 30th lockdown is wishful thinking. If you really think this pandemic is over by then you are kidding yourself. Yeah, lets all go into a jam crowded convention hall and start the pandemic all over again. It just takes one person.
I have an issue with having to fork out a $600-$700 2 day hotel deposit for a show that most likely won't happen or be a bust because of the cancellations.
I, for one, am more than happy to wait for a great show in 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 30, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
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The April 30th lockdown is wishful thinking. If you really think this pandemic is over by then you are kidding yourself. Yeah, lets all go into a jam crowded convention hall and start the pandemic all over again. It just takes one person.
I have an issue with having to fork out a $600-$700 2 day hotel deposit for a show that most likely won't happen or be a bust because of the cancellations.
I, for one, am more than happy to wait for a great show in 2021.

Yep.....youve said that like 10 times now.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 30, 2020, 03:17:52 PM
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Yep.....youve said that like 10 times now.
Truth serum
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 30, 2020, 04:34:45 PM
Truth hurts, I know.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: SamTurtledove on March 30, 2020, 04:37:35 PM
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My point being if they have to wait til june to even have a hotel sale I doubt sdcc will happen.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 30, 2020, 05:12:24 PM
Not very informative about SDCC. If it turns into a virtual show, certainly not worth the badge cost. But does save on all that walking.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 30, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
refund some % and go virtual for 2020? go back to usual con for 2021??
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on March 30, 2020, 05:50:23 PM
I’m sorry, but a “virtual” con sounds just as unexciting as no con.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 30, 2020, 05:58:06 PM
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I’m sorry, but a “virtual” con sounds just as unexciting as no con.

I hate the idea too, BUT, I would choose to pay some kind of badge, virtual ticket to support CCI and wait to 2021 for the real thing.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 30, 2020, 06:36:18 PM
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refund some % and go virtual for 2020? go back to usual con for 2021??

What would a virtual con even be if none of the studios show up?

Virtual exhibit floor where you can see things to buy but cant buy? :p


Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on March 30, 2020, 06:41:56 PM
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What would a virtual con even be if none of the studios show up?

Virtual exhibit floor where you can see things to buy but cant buy? :p

No clue, but for example it would easier for studios to get some content/trailers out for it? Funko is already doing "virtual" cons with ECCC and WC exclusives. I mean, maybe it wont be CCI level of greatness but it would be some support for CCI to ride the storm I believe.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: SamTurtledove on March 30, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
FWIW Last year, Comic-Con announced their first 5 waves of Special Guests from April 8 to May 6, 2019. This year, they started in February.

(https://www.comic-con.org/sites/default/files/styles/w250/public/toucan_teaser_tshirt_102.png?itok=eGENq6_n)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 30, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
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FWIW Last year, Comic-Con announced their first 5 waves of Special Guests from April 8 to May 6, 2019. This year, they started in February.

(https://www.comic-con.org/sites/default/files/styles/w250/public/toucan_teaser_tshirt_102.png?itok=eGENq6_n)

Doubt there will be any more announcements.

Stay at home orders go til april 30. They wouldnt be announcing any new guests in that time frame.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: IanCar on March 30, 2020, 08:45:34 PM
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Lets face it. SDCC is a bust this year. SDCC hasn't released any new waves of guests since 3/9 and there is no talk of exclusives being offered on the SDCC Blog. Normally by now the info would be busting out. Mattel, Hasbro, and Funko would have started releasing their exclusive lists. Studios would be leaking info. I hear through the grapevine that Conan is a no go now. And there is no sign of the hotel sale. Even if SDCC did go through with it. Who would be there? Certainly not me.

I'm not saying that SDCC will happen this year. But at this time, any other year, there is still relatively no news regarding exclusives or studios attending SDCC. Usually, late April to the beginning of May, after Wondercon, is the earliest we hear about this. I know for sure Funko doesn't announce their SDCC exclusives until late June, usually after E3. So, although this year is way different than any other, it's not unusual that we haven't heard exclusives or studios attending yet.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 31, 2020, 07:20:11 AM
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Doubt there will be any more announcements.

Stay at home orders go til april 30. They wouldnt be announcing any new guests in that time frame.

Not to mention it would feel a little tone death IMO to sit there and announce guests like it's just another normal day. Plus, some of the planned guests might have already made the call themselves not to attend even if the show does go on.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on March 31, 2020, 08:17:54 AM
A virtual con is a great idea for those hard core Con'ers. But it should be a separate ticket. But what I see happening is for SDCC to announce a Virtual Con right after the refund deadline and applying the badges to the virtual con. Man that really is a con.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on March 31, 2020, 09:28:19 AM
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A virtual con is a great idea for those hard core Con'ers. But it should be a separate ticket. But what I see happening is for SDCC to announce a Virtual Con right after the refund deadline and applying the badges to the virtual con. Man that really is a con.

Don't think it is fair to disparage CCI.  I haven't seen anything saying they're going to try to pull a fast one on their attendees.  Sure, I wish I knew what the future held and I think they need to go ahead and cancel.  But on the other hand if there is a possibility they could move forward they need to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks.  We're all under a lot of stress but it is important to try to stay positive!  CCI can at times be annoying with their line rules, hotel sale clusterf**k, etc., but I do think they're good people who are trying to do their best.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 31, 2020, 10:47:02 AM
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A virtual con is a great idea for those hard core Con'ers. But it should be a separate ticket. But what I see happening is for SDCC to announce a Virtual Con right after the refund deadline and applying the badges to the virtual con. Man that really is a con.

come on, that's complete bs. i get you're in a grumpy frame of mind- who isn't these days - but don't project complete worst case, the world is out to get me, ramblings.

IF cci were to move to a virtual con after the refund date, i would bet SERIOUS money they'd offer a refund to those wanting one.  I do not bet & have never set foot in a casino to gamble.

Forgive me for lashing out but we're all trying to get through this as best we can & it makes it hard on everyone to hear such unjustified anger.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on March 31, 2020, 11:13:37 AM
I believe that CCI is an honest group of people who are out to do their best for attendees. They are not out to 'con' anyone. They're in this mess, just as we are. They want to put on the con, and will do everything they can to make it happen. If they can't, they will do their best to make it right.

Could they screw up in this? Sure. It happens. But I believe that their intentions are good.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 31, 2020, 11:15:06 AM
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A virtual con is a great idea for those hard core Con'ers. But it should be a separate ticket. But what I see happening is for SDCC to announce a Virtual Con right after the refund deadline and applying the badges to the virtual con. Man that really is a con.

I'll say it again, I guess I have much more faith in CCI than some.  CCI will not do that.  Why are there so many conspiracy theories about how CCI is out to con everyone?  I still don't understand why some people think that a virtual con would cost as much as a real con.  I'll use my baseball example again.  Does watching baseball on TV costs as much as a season ticket to watch it in a stadium?  No.  No it doesn't.

I also don't understand why people think it's either or.  Why does having a virtual option for a con mean that no one can attend physically?  I'll use the baseball example.  Did broadcasting games on TV put an end to the stadiums?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 31, 2020, 11:26:54 AM
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A virtual con is a great idea for those hard core Con'ers. But it should be a separate ticket. But what I see happening is for SDCC to announce a Virtual Con right after the refund deadline and applying the badges to the virtual con. Man that really is a con.

You really have no faith in SDCC..howmany years have you gone? Must not be many

They wont auto transfer it into a virtual con. The negative press that would gather qould be the death of them.





Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on March 31, 2020, 11:37:25 AM
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A virtual con is a great idea for those hard core Con'ers. But it should be a separate ticket. But what I see happening is for SDCC to announce a Virtual Con right after the refund deadline and applying the badges to the virtual con. Man that really is a con.

My earlier reply bears repeating:

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If you are sure that the show is not going to be what you want this year and are waiting to see if they give you the option to roll them over to 2021 then fair enough, but if you're just going to talk smack about them based on things that may or may not happen in the next 4 months then it seems it would be better to just to cancel your badge and get the 10% back while you have the option.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on March 31, 2020, 11:37:55 AM
Please remember to keep this friendly and positive!   No personal attacking!   

Phrases that use "You"  can often be taken as attacking,   let's all be friendly and positive! Think before posting and also remember the excuse they started it first reflects on the person saying using the excuse.

I know our anxiety is high but remember this isn't a place to come and vent our negativity.  This is a place to come together and help each other through a hard time.

We don't know what will happen, however, we do now posting negative ideas feeds negativity.  Let's all agree not to do that and post our hopes instead.  Just maybe they will read this thread and get positive ideas?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sheilaac717 on March 31, 2020, 11:38:15 AM
https://comicbook.com/2020/03/31/san-diego-comic-con-should-postpone-now-but-not-cancel-yet-/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 31, 2020, 11:51:48 AM
I don't see when they could postpone it to.  I've mentioned before that outbreaks like this generally comes in waves separated by a few months.  It was the second wave of the Spanish Flu that killed the most people.  So even if they postponed it to October, that might put it right smack in the middle of the second wave of covid.   Yesterday, Fauci started preparing people to expect a fall wave of covid.

I don't think there will be any big cons until there is a vaccine.  One that is widely available.  In my mind the question is not whether there will be a comic-con in 2020, I don't see how there can be.  The question is will there be a comic-con in 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 31, 2020, 11:54:20 AM
Another thing to look for is the two big concerts that week during con.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on March 31, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
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Lol, I was just searching for "Green Day cancellations".
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: SamTurtledove on March 31, 2020, 12:45:35 PM
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They wont auto transfer it into a virtual con. The negative press that would gather qould be the death of them.


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Comic-Con’s Graphic Novel Book Clubs almost made it through the month of March before the stay-at-home protocols were introduced. We actually cancelled the last two meetings (Balboa Park and Escondido 1), before CA Governor Gavin Newsom made the announcement to stay at home for the foreseeable future.

In April, the Book Clubs will begin video-conferencing for their meetings via Zoom … and the creation of the Zook Club!


I do like that CCI continues with new technologies.  And that they did process refunds for the Comic-Con Museum recently.

https://twitter.com/BuffyBusyBuzzBu/status/1238190111314939904




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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on March 31, 2020, 12:50:41 PM
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https://comicbook.com/2020/03/31/san-diego-comic-con-should-postpone-now-but-not-cancel-yet-/

The article isn't taking into account that there may already be other events scheduled for the San Diego Convention Center during the fall time periods they are discussing.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on March 31, 2020, 12:51:10 PM
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Lol, I was just searching for "Green Day cancellations".
i could use that ticket money ;)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on March 31, 2020, 02:50:42 PM
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i could use that ticket money ;)

I could probably recommend a few bands that won't get more than 10 people at their shows.  Warning recommendation is based on the fact no one wants to go see them  :o
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on March 31, 2020, 03:06:10 PM
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i could use that ticket money ;)
You will get the government check in about 6 weeks.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on March 31, 2020, 03:15:44 PM
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You will get the government check in about 6 weeks.

Or 4 months.  Direct Deposit should happen right away.  Only 20 million physical checks can be printed a month.  So if you are in the last batch, don't expect your check for 4 months.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: AzT on April 01, 2020, 10:02:03 AM
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/city-leaders-to-discuss-sd-convention-centers-temporary-transformation-into-homeless-shelter/2297356/

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/government/convention-center-will-transform-from-economic-powerhouse-to-homeless-refuge/

https://twitter.com/SDConventionCtr/status/1245376020389064705
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Joining efforts to prevent the spread of #COVID19 in our region, we are opening our doors this week as a temporary shelter for individuals experiencing homelessness during the #COVID19 pandemic.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 01, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
So, another big sports event canceled (wimbledon), that one was supposed to begin on june 29 for a two week period...
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on April 01, 2020, 12:15:21 PM
Arrgh!

April is here, with no Wondercon near.
No hotelpocalypse on the horizon.
May and June soon will loom
only cancellations still zoom,
my schedule sits pale and wan.
I can only think, as my hopes circle the sink
2020 shall pass sans my superfun Comic Con!

Marcia 29
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 01, 2020, 12:18:20 PM
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I don't think there will be any big cons until there is a vaccine.  One that is widely available.  In my mind the question is not whether there will be a comic-con in 2020, I don't see how there can be.  The question is will there be a comic-con in 2021.

There is a certain nationwide event taking place the first Tuesday in November that makes me think that there will be huge push to make everything seem close to normal by October ...
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 01, 2020, 12:24:25 PM
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There is a certain nationwide event taking place the first Tuesday in November that makes me think that there will be huge push to make everything seem close to normal by October ...

I think the best way to go is to make everyone a mandatory mail voter.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 01, 2020, 12:39:59 PM
1). That doesn't change my thinking that they'll want everything back to normal by October.  The state of the economy frequently plays into elections.  If we're still shutdown with millions unemployed leading up to the election, that could adversely factor into how people vote.  But if people are back to being employed and the stock market is climbing again -- yay status quo!

2). Mandatory mail in voting would not happen.  The election would get called off before that happens.  There have been ... suggestions ... that making it easier for people to vote favors one party over another.  I'll let you guess which way.

Note:  I'm not stating an opinion on the best course of action.  This is just my thinking based on the cynicism that comes from having lived right outside of DC my whole life.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on April 01, 2020, 12:49:58 PM
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1). That doesn't change my thinking that they'll want everything back to normal by October.  The state of the economy frequently plays into elections.  If we're still shutdown with millions unemployed leading up to the election, that could adversely factor into how people vote.  But if people are back to being employed and the stock market is climbing again -- yay status quo!

2). Mandatory mail in voting would not happen.  The election would get called off before that happens.  There have been ... suggestions ... that making it easier for people to vote favors one party over another.  I'll let you guess which way.

Note:  I'm not stating an opinion on the best course of action.  This is just my thinking based on the cynicism that comes from having lived right outside of DC my whole life.

There are no provisions in U.S. law for postponing a presidential election, it would have to be changed by a vote of congress and signed by the president - they even held it in 1864 during the civil war.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 01, 2020, 12:56:02 PM
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2). Mandatory mail in voting would not happen.  The election would get called off before that happens.

No, the election will not be called off or even postponed.  There is no way to call off the election.  It would have to be a new law enacted by congress.  What are the chances of that happening?  Even if by some miracle congress did, voting is controlled by the states.  All 50 states would have to agree to it.  There's even less chance of that happening than congress passing a law to begin with.

Mail voting is available to all Americans.  The existing laws and infrastructure are already there.  Making everyone a mandatory mail in voter would be a relatively simple thing to do.  I am already a mandatory mail voter.  Many people are.  If I want to vote in person, that's a hassle.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on April 01, 2020, 01:18:56 PM
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No, the election will not be called off or even postponed.  There is no way to call off the election.  It would have to be a new law enacted by congress.  What are the chances of that happening?  Even if by some miracle congress did, voting is controlled by the states.  All 50 states would have to agree to it.  There's even less chance of that happening than congress passing a law to begin with.

Mail voting is available to all Americans.  The existing laws and infrastructure are already there.  Making everyone a mandatory mail in voter would be a relatively simple thing to do.  I am already a mandatory mail voter.  Many people are.  If I want to vote in person, that's a hassle.


I hate be be 'that' person but there's a lot of countries which have thought the election couldn't be called off. Knowing history is a pain in the a$$ //eyesLow

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....it has been argued that the President can take it upon himself to declare martial law. In these times, Congress may decide not to act, effectively accepting martial law by failing to stop it; Congress may agree to the declaration, putting the official stamp of approval on the declaration; or it can reject the President's imposition of martial law, which could set up a power struggle between the Congress and the Executive that only the Judiciary would be able to resolve. ....
https://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html

i don't think this will happen but we're in uncharted territory here. imho, one of the great things about our form of government is that we've figured out a way to transfer power without bloodshed.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Devorah on April 01, 2020, 01:20:45 PM
CCI just tweeted:

https://twitter.com/Comic_Con/status/1245445559348916224

To our amazing Comic-Con and WonderCon fans: We understand how difficult the current climate has been for all of us and appreciate your continued support through these trying times. No one is as hopeful as we are that we will be able to celebrate #SDCC2020 together come July.

As we continue to monitor the situation with local authorities, we will post updates on our social channels! Until then, remember: “A hero is an ordinary individual who finds strength to persevere and endure in spite of overwhelming obstacles.” — Christopher Reeve
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 01, 2020, 01:21:36 PM
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Mail voting is available to all Americans.  The existing laws and infrastructure are already there.  Making everyone a mandatory mail in voter would be a relatively simple thing to do.  I am already a mandatory mail voter.  Many people are.  If I want to vote in person, that's a hassle.

Exactly.  It IS a hassle.  It is a hassle that will keep people from voting.  We have a president who lost the popular vote.  We have a Senate where the majority party represents 44% of the US population.  When majority rule is not in your favor, you do not want to make it easy for everyone to vote.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 01, 2020, 01:24:35 PM
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https://twitter.com/Comic_Con/status/1245445559348916224

To our amazing Comic-Con and WonderCon fans: We understand how difficult the current climate has been for all of us and appreciate your continued support through these trying times. No one is as hopeful as we are that we will be able to celebrate #SDCC2020 together come July.

As we continue to monitor the situation with local authorities, we will post updates on our social channels! Until then, remember: “A hero is an ordinary individual who finds strength to persevere and endure in spite of overwhelming obstacles.” — Christopher Reeve

At least they're not saying "we are in close contact with local and state officials and we will follow guidelines as set forth by the CDC ..."  From what I've seen, when cons start saying that, that's the first in a series of announcements that ends with "we're postponing/canceling the event."
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 01, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
I applaud their optimism but man...
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 01, 2020, 01:36:12 PM
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CCI just tweeted:

https://twitter.com/Comic_Con/status/1245445559348916224

To our amazing Comic-Con and WonderCon fans: We understand how difficult the current climate has been for all of us and appreciate your continued support through these trying times. No one is as hopeful as we are that we will be able to celebrate #SDCC2020 together come July.

As we continue to monitor the situation with local authorities, we will post updates on our social channels! Until then, remember: “A hero is an ordinary individual who finds strength to persevere and endure in spite of overwhelming obstacles.” — Christopher Reeve

So basically nothing has changed.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 01, 2020, 01:42:41 PM
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Exactly.  It IS a hassle.  It is a hassle that will keep people from voting.  We have a president who lost the popular vote.  We have a Senate where the majority party represents 44% of the US population.  When majority rule is not in your favor, you do not want to make it easy for everyone to vote.

No.  You misinterpreted my statement.  It's a hassle for me because I'm a mandatory mail voter.  If I wasn't a mail voter, it would be easy.  The hassle is when a mandatory mail voter tries to vote in person at a poll.  The problem starts with my name not being on the rolls of any polling place, then it goes downhill from there.  It's possible, just not easy.

It's not a hassle to vote in person at a poll, it's a hassle trying to vote in person when you are a mandatory mail voter.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 01, 2020, 02:36:28 PM
The twitter response is also now on their facebook page.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on April 01, 2020, 04:36:18 PM
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1). That doesn't change my thinking that they'll want everything back to normal by October.  The state of the economy frequently plays into elections.  If we're still shutdown with millions unemployed leading up to the election, that could adversely factor into how people vote.  But if people are back to being employed and the stock market is climbing again -- yay status quo!

2). Mandatory mail in voting would not happen.  The election would get called off before that happens.  There have been ... suggestions ... that making it easier for people to vote favors one party over another.  I'll let you guess which way.

Note:  I'm not stating an opinion on the best course of action.  This is just my thinking based on the cynicism that comes from having lived right outside of DC my whole life.

I don't think it's possible to stop the election, even martial law. It's the states that hold the elections so I'm pretty sure all blue states and some purple states will hold their elections regardless of what the federal government wants to do. If there are no elections, it'll be the House majority leader who becomes president in Jan. 2021.

I agree that mail-in voting won't be mandatory in every state. It doesn't really need to be, though. We just need the blue and purple states to at least allow mail-in voting.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miss Kitty on April 01, 2020, 09:06:06 PM
The San Diego Fair released a statement:

Many of you are wondering if San Diego will have a Fair this summer, and we can tell you that if it is safe to do so, we'll be here to host it! Governor Newsom's directives postponing mass gatherings have not yet extended through June, and for this reason we have not cancelled or rescheduled the San Diego County Fair. We will continue to work with the Governor's office and the California Department of Food & Agriculture to determine our future course of action. The Governor is dedicated to keeping the public safe, and we believe he will reopen mass gatherings – including our Fair – only when it is safe to do so.

(June 5-July 5)

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on April 01, 2020, 09:58:55 PM
No idea what CCI will do, but I can say that here in the Milwaukee area large events going into July are already being cancelled or postponed.  Generally, our lakefront festival grounds serve as a central point for summer festivities.  So far -

Pridefest - June 4-7 postponed TBD  attendance ~45,000
Polish Fest - June 12-14 postponed TBD attendance ~35,000
Summerfest - June 25-July 5 postponed to 3 weekends in September attendance ~800,000
Festa Italiana - July 14-17 cancelled attendance ~100,000
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 01, 2020, 11:25:45 PM
Governor in Michigan just claimed a State of Emergency until June 9th.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 02, 2020, 06:40:25 AM
The comments for yesterday's tweet are a little more against CCI moving forward then I thought they would be.  It seems a lot of people feel it should be postponed to 2021 and badges rolled over. 

https://twitter.com/Comic_Con/status/1245445559348916224

I feel like I have whiplash from ECCC.  On March 7th they said it was happening and March 8th it was canceled.

IMO: Still to early to know!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 02, 2020, 06:50:31 AM
HeroesCon hasn't announced anything either and that one is in June. It's all interesting and a bit frustrating to watch.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 02, 2020, 06:58:29 AM
And MegaCon Orlando postponed TO the first weekend in June.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dcol on April 02, 2020, 08:25:09 AM
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The comments for yesterday's tweet are a little more against CCI moving forward then I thought they would be.  It seems a lot of people feel it should be postponed to 2021 and badges rolled over. 

https://twitter.com/Comic_Con/status/1245445559348916224

I feel like I have whiplash from ECCC.  On March 7th they said it was happening and March 8th it was canceled.

IMO: Still to early to know!
I thought the tweet was more leaning to moving forward with SDCC. They are now saying the peak will not happen until June-July. We need to stay home until the curve is at zero. SDCC would be a petri dish for this virus.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on April 02, 2020, 08:26:41 AM
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I thought the tweet was more leaning to moving forward with SDCC. They are now saying the peak will not happen until June-July. We need to stay home until the curve is at zero. SDCC would be a petri dish for this virus.
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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 02, 2020, 09:42:06 AM
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I thought the tweet was more leaning to moving forward with SDCC. They are now saying the peak will not happen until June-July. We need to stay home until the curve is at zero. SDCC would be a petri dish for this virus.

The tweet was, I was talking about the comments.  It's too early to know anything though.  I think we just need to accept that for the next two months things are unknown.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 02, 2020, 09:57:29 AM
And some areas are going to flatten their curves sooner than others, and we don't know what effect that will have.  Sounds like we're seeing the desired effects of social distancing in Washington and the Bay Area.  Florida I think will be in bad shape for awhile.  Nobody really knows how that's going to affect things.  And we can still have travel restrictions with other countries.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on April 02, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
They are predicting the peak here in SD will be towards the end of April. This assessment was from local county administration & Mayor Falkner.

imho, the likely game changer could be an antibody test and 'herd immunity' concept.  It seems clear the vaccine won't be ready for at least a year and that aggressive testing for the live virus is beyond our capabilities.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615436/the-coronavirus-test-that-might-exempt-you-from-social-distancingif-you-pass/

my long winded point is, if 95% of the SDCC attendees are immune to covid as proved by the antibody test, then the remaining 5% are protected.
How this would actually play out is beyond the scope of my argument tho! Would proof of antibody's be required ?

on a personal note, folks might remember that i think i've had it back in Feb however, i am in strict self-quarantine tho because i can't be *sure* and have underlying conditions. I could be out working, attending con's & spending money if i knew for certain.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 02, 2020, 11:22:48 AM
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They are predicting the peak here in SD will be towards the end of April. This assessment was from local county administration & Mayor Falkner.

imho, the likely game changer could be an antibody test and 'herd immunity' concept.  It seems clear the vaccine won't be ready for at least a year and that aggressive testing for the live virus is beyond our capabilities.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615436/the-coronavirus-test-that-might-exempt-you-from-social-distancingif-you-pass/

my long winded point is, if 95% of the SDCC attendees are immune to covid as proved by the antibody test, then the remaining 5% are protected.
How this would actually play out is beyond the scope of my argument tho! Would proof of antibody's be required ?

on a personal note, folks might remember that i think i've had it back in Feb however, i am in strict self-quarantine tho because i can't be *sure* and have underlying conditions. I could be out working, attending con's & spending money if i knew for certain.

Agree that nobody knows for certain, April may be peak for SD but for example, I'm from Mexico, peak here could be june-july, would you like me going to SDCC? I might have it, I might not, I might be an asymptomatic carrier, would you risk it? We're talking people all over the world coming for it, some folks even here have admitted going despite anything. We have to think about this globally, will the world be ready by july? absolutely not
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 02, 2020, 11:33:39 AM
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on a personal note, folks might remember that i think i've had it back in Feb however, i am in strict self-quarantine tho because i can't be *sure* and have underlying conditions. I could be out working, attending con's & spending money if i knew for certain.

I think everyone needs to stay home.  Whether they are well, sick or have been sick and are now immune.  It's leveraging peer pressure.  If people see other people out, they'll think it's OK to be out.  It's all media hype.  If they see no one out there and no cars on the street, they'll think it's spooky out there, they won't want to go out.

That's how it's worked in countries that have bent the curve downward.  In those countries, everyone wear's a mask.  Sick, well or recovered.  Everyone does just to make sure that the sick do.  It's just not the cops enforcing this, it's everyone.  If you step into an elevator without a mask on, people will tell you to put a mask on.  If you hop on bus without a mask on, the other passengers will yell at you for getting everyone sick.  Same thing with being outside, it wasn't the cops doing most of the enforcement, it was people that lived there.  When people were out messing around, the people living there would yell at them to go inside.  That they are getting everyone sick.

Culture is one of the reasons that the CDC isn't recommending everyone wear masks in the US.  In China, you wear a mask when you are sick.  That's just considerate.  Here, you can be Typhoid Mary and people would still look at you funny for wearing a mask.  We need to change.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on April 02, 2020, 11:38:58 AM
This is what I think should do that would help mitigate everything as much as possible.

1. Cancel SDCC 2020 - there are simply too many unknowns at this moment. Based on Twitter responses, this seems to be what people overwhelming want. Even if San Diego is very flat by then, you have people coming from across the country and world that could result in a massive flair-up if even a small amount of the people have it.

2. Offer 2 options for anyone that had a ticket for this year, you can choose whichever one you want
A. CCI keeps your money and your tickets are rolled over to 2021
B. If you'd rather get your money back, CCI will give you a full refund. You will not be guaranteed a ticket in 2021, but you will be allowed to try and purchase tickets in something like a returning attendee sale where your odds are much higher.

This gives CCI the money to pay for any expenses they have already incurred this year and they can place the rest aside for helping pay for 2021 since they will have less revenue. Not sure how many people would choose to roll over, but I'm almost certain it would be over 50% given how hard it is to buy tickets.

3. After all that happens, whatever tickets for 2021 that would be left would go into the normal general on-sale next year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on April 02, 2020, 11:44:53 AM
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This is what I think should do that would help mitigate everything as much as possible.

1. Cancel SDCC 2020 - there are simply too many unknowns at this moment. Based on Twitter responses, this seems to be what people overwhelming want. Even if San Diego is very flat by then, you have people coming from across the country and world that could result in a massive flair-up if even a small amount of the people have it.

2. Offer 2 options for anyone that had a ticket for this year, you can choose whichever one you want
A. CCI keeps your money and your tickets are rolled over to 2021
B. If you'd rather get your money back, CCI will give you a full refund. You will not be guaranteed a ticket in 2021, but you will be allowed to try and purchase tickets in something like a returning attendee sale where your odds are much higher.

This gives CCI the money to pay for any expenses they have already incurred this year and they can place the rest aside for helping pay for 2021 since they will have less revenue. Not sure how many people would choose to roll over, but I'm almost certain it would be over 50% given how hard it is to buy tickets.

3. After all that happens, whatever tickets for 2021 that would be left would go into the normal general on-sale next year.

I Like those ideas - Also, Pros that were supposed to expire after this year's con but have both free or paid pro passes as well as one on two paid guest passes should be able to roll those over to 2021 also, and then reapply for pro status for 2022.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on April 02, 2020, 12:17:57 PM
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I think everyone needs to stay home.  Whether they are well, sick or have been sick and are now immune.  It's leveraging peer pressure.  If people see other people out, they'll think it's OK to be out.  It's all media hype.  If they see no one out there and no cars on the street, they'll think it's spooky out there, they won't want to go out.

That's how it's worked in countries that have bent the curve downward.  In those countries, everyone wear's a mask.  Sick, well or recovered.  Everyone does just to make sure that the sick do.  It's just not the cops enforcing this, it's everyone.  If you step into an elevator without a mask on, people will tell you to put a mask on.  If you hop on bus without a mask on, the other passengers will yell at you for getting everyone sick.  Same thing with being outside, it wasn't the cops doing most of the enforcement, it was people that lived there.  When people were out messing around, the people living there would yell at them to go inside.  That they are getting everyone sick.

Culture is one of the reasons that the CDC isn't recommending everyone wear masks in the US.  In China, you wear a mask when you are sick.  That's just considerate.  Here, you can be Typhoid Mary and people would still look at you funny for wearing a mask.  We need to change.

i understand and agree but I would apply for a grocery store job/volunteer/donate blood if i wasn't at risk. Eventually we will have to find a way of easing up on the restrictions. What better way to implement the easing then to use a scientific method.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 02, 2020, 01:05:13 PM
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i understand and agree but I would apply for a grocery store job/volunteer/donate blood if i wasn't at risk. Eventually we will have to find a way of easing up on the restrictions. What better way to implement the easing then to use a scientific method.

I agree but we aren't even close to being able to do that.  What we need is not a serological test to see if someone has had it.  It's not certain that someone that's had it is immune.  It could be like the cold, another corona virus.  I've gotten colds back to back before.  What we need is a cheap home test to see if someone is still shedding virus.  Some people are still shedding virus even though they recovered a month ago.  They are still infectious.  Thus people that have had it need to stay home until they stop shedding virus.  The only way we can do that on the scale that's needed is for people to test themselves often at home.

So without that, the only ways to fight is for everyone to stay home or do targeted quarantines like Singapore did.  That's what Europe is trying to do right now.  If someone tests positive, then everyone they were within 6 feet of for the last 2 weeks go into quarantine as well.  I mean everyone from their best friend to the person they passed on the street 10 days ago.  How can they know who passed who on the street?  There's an app for that.  Everyone's phone would keep track of every phone it passed closed to.

Quarantine would also have to be strict.  Singapore uses both the carrot and the stick.  They pay people $100/day to be in quarantine.  If someone breaks quarantine, the first offense is a $10,000 fine and/or 6 months in prison.  It goes up from there.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on April 02, 2020, 02:17:52 PM
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I agree but we aren't even close to being able to do that.  What we need is not a serological test to see if someone has had it.  It's not certain that someone that's had it is immune.  It could be like the cold, another corona virus.  I've gotten colds back to back before.  What we need is a cheap home test to see if someone is still shedding virus.  Some people are still shedding virus even though they recovered a month ago.  They are still infectious.  Thus people that have had it need to stay home until they stop shedding virus.  The only way we can do that on the scale that's needed is for people to test themselves often at home.

So without that, the only ways to fight is for everyone to stay home or do targeted quarantines like Singapore did.  That's what Europe is trying to do right now.  If someone tests positive, then everyone they were within 6 feet of for the last 2 weeks go into quarantine as well.  I mean everyone from their best friend to the person they passed on the street 10 days ago.  How can they know who passed who on the street?  There's an app for that.  Everyone's phone would keep track of every phone it passed closed to.

Quarantine would also have to be strict.  Singapore uses both the carrot and the stick.  They pay people $100/day to be in quarantine.  If someone breaks quarantine, the first offense is a $10,000 fine and/or 6 months in prison.  It goes up from there.

the FDA just approved a test for antibodys
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-antibody-test.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

as the article points out it can be used for medical personal & essential job workers. To my mind this is a game changer.

I agree it'd be nice to have an easy test for the viral load & shed but by all indications that is not a factor after a person has gone 72 hrs without a fever. I can't even begin to go into the [insert non pg-13 bad words here] idiocy going along with that testing. I am not talking about that at all. Thats not a discussion that's usefull to have. According to Newsom, CA is 12 days behind in getting results back to patients. In what world is that ok?

The reason why having a cold doesn't protect u from another cold is due to mutation. At this point there isn't a suggestion the Covid has mutated. So in theory, if you've had it once, you should be immune until the virus changes.

I am not saying folks should break quarantines, i am saying selectively & with proper precautions immune folks could venture out to help by volunteer/work & not be in fear. This is what will help our society get back to normalcy and show respect to the blue collar workers in the local infastructure.

What we currently have is a class of workers providing our food and medical care who could be in the early stages of the sickness when they are most infectious. I venture to say the average hourly worker at a store would like to know if they've passed through the Covid & have antibodies or not. It would also enable managers to put folks in appropriate positions, antibody folks on the registers & non-antibody folks in the back room for example.

I'm part of a trade woman's group on facebook. It's for woman who work in the construction trades- a common theme i'm seeing is, 'this is a white collar quarantine'. The trades & hourly workers are still out there providing services while white collar folks can quarantine. Obviously restaurants & hospitality workers are shutdown, but basic infrastructure folks are required to work. It's taking a toll, look at what's happening with the nurses/Amazon/Whole Foods/InstaCart strikes going on. They are clearly saying they need respect & protection. An antibody test helps, it's not the answer but it goes to emotional health by removing a concern about themselves or a co-worker.
I know a worker in a sandwich shop that wishes the store would close so she could stop putting herself at risk. I am sure there are folks who are above 60 & have underlying conditions working in a grocery store because they can't afford to self-quarantine.

Maybe we'll need to provide verification of passing an antibody test for a while. I'm ok with that.

eta; i would be more inclined to get take out from a restaurant advertising staffing with 100% anti-body compliant OR if i knew I had the antibodies. it's a way forward on the local level.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 02, 2020, 06:06:50 PM
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the FDA just approved a test for antibodys
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/health/coronavirus-antibody-test.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

as the article points out it can be used for medical personal & essential job workers. To my mind this is a game changer.

There are a bunch of companies making them seeking approval.  As that article mentioned, in the UK they are looking at a whole slew of them.  A BBC reporter took one just to show what the process is like.  He was surprised to find that he was positive since he had no symptoms.

Don't get me wrong.  Serological tests are awesome.  If nothing else, they will allow for forensics of how far covid has spread.  Then an accurate R0 and MR can be computed.

Unfortunately, they can't be relied on to tell if someone is infectious or not.  My assumption would be that they are.  It's unknown how long people stay infectious after contracting covid.  One study found that people still shed virus after showing no symptoms for 39 days.  Whether those people are infectious or not is unclear.  Based on that, I would shy away from a restaurant where they tested positive, whether that's a PCR or a serological test.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mel on April 02, 2020, 07:01:29 PM
Today Jes told me that even if there was SDCC this year she is not going. So I guess that's that for us.

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on April 02, 2020, 07:07:07 PM
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Today Jes told me that even if there was SDCC this year she is not going. So I guess that's that for us.
i can understand her frustration
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 02, 2020, 07:30:16 PM
The Democratic National Committee announced this morning that they will delay their July convention until August, although there is no guarantee the situation will be any better then.

I was wondering if SDCC had thought about also delaying our confab until August if they thought there was any possibility that might make a difference.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Devorah on April 02, 2020, 08:40:17 PM
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The Democratic National Committee announced this morning that they will delay their July convention until August, although there is no guarantee the situation will be any better then.

I was wondering if SDCC had thought about also delaying our confab until August if they thought there was any possibility that might make a difference.
The problem with that is that hotel booking for August has been open for 8 months already, so blocking off enough rooms for the hotel sale for August (or any other time this year) would be very difficult at this point.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on April 02, 2020, 10:27:17 PM
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The problem with that is that hotel booking for August has been open for 8 months already, so blocking off enough rooms for the hotel sale for August (or any other time this year) would be very difficult at this point.

That's just one of many difficulties. I've made this post before, but I'll re-iterate:

* The aforementioned hotels. You can already book now for any potential rescheduled week. CCI would have to get all the hotels to buy in to a new date and have all the remaining rooms blocked off simultaneously, all before word gets out that SDCC has been rescheduled. Because as soon as rumor leaks that CCI is being rescheduled, you can bet people will figure out what week, and then try to book hotels before they can be blocked off. And if one hotel blocks off rooms before the others, you can bet someone will notice, and word will spread like wildfire, and boom, rooms booked before full blockage can occur.

* Can you get all exhibitors and artists to commit to a new date, especially the major ones that long-time con-goers expect to be there (like Sideshow, Blizzard, Star Wars, Tokidoki, Nintendo, that major t-shirt vendor that has like three booths). Some may not feel safe enough to exhibit, some may have prior commitments, and some may be trying to reschedule dates with other cons. Also, what if Marvel or WB/DC or Dark Horse cannot commit? That's a lot of empty floor space.

* How do you deal with people with badges who don't want to go to the postponed SDCC, or can't go? Do they get to defer to next year, or will they only be offered straight refunds? If the latter, that's highly unfair considering those who get refunds won't be able to participate in Returning Registration. If they do get to defer, that means less badges available for 2021, which makes Registration a more heartbreaking process. And if people do get to defer, and those people only happened to get 1-2 days for 2020, that means they'll have an extra 2 chances to get all four days for 2021? Or perhaps maybe CCI will say, you get to refund for 2020, but you still get to participate in both Registrations for 2021?

* Even if we flatten the curve, the virus will be far from eliminated by August. So do you make people take their temperatures at the door? Do you do a light screen and forbid obviously sick people from entering? What if word gets out that someone who was in the Exhibit Hall has COVID-19? Do you shut it all down? Let's say this happened on Preview Night, meaning attendees are still getting into San Diego. You just screwed over a bunch of attendees who, maybe they could've deferred but chose not to. How do you deal with lines? Do you make people more spread out like they have in grocery stores now?

There's so many questions / problems that CCI would have to address for a postponed SDCC that I can't possibly see them making that decision to reschedule.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 03, 2020, 12:02:23 PM
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Still too early to tell. No one is saying that heat and humidity stops COVID completely, the hypothesis is that it’s a factor in slowing the spread.

Covid continues to spike in hot and humid countries.  In Guayaquil, Ecuador the morgues are full and bodies are being left on the street.  The head of the task force there says they pick up 30-150 bodies a day.  This while the official numbers are only 60 people dead of covid in Guayaquil.

The low official numbers where it's hot and humid are because they don't have the resources to test.  Covid doesn't seem to be bothered by the tropical weather.  The spread is happening even with an extreme lockdown.  In Ecuador it's being enforced by the military with a complete curfew between 7pm and 5am.  Which is reflected in the Google data.  People in Ecuador are staying home.

https://www.eluniverso.com/2020/04/01/video/7802625/jorge-wated-fallecidos-estos-meses-llegaran-2500-3500-solo-provincia-guayas
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 03, 2020, 12:24:17 PM
Disney seems to think we’ll be back in movie theaters then — Mulan’s been rescheduled for July 24.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 03, 2020, 02:46:54 PM
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Disney seems to think we’ll be back in movie theaters then — Mulan’s been rescheduled for July 24.

That must be their release in China  ;D
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sassafrass on April 04, 2020, 12:04:29 PM
I know I haven't posted a lot , but I have to imagine comic con will be postponed pretty far out if not canceled completely this year,
There has to be a ton of prep that's hasn't been happening for the last couple of months which I'm sure put them behind then you have to look at the international Travelers and everyone across country, how many people are wanting to fly right now and how easy is it going to be to fly on top of how many people will be comfortable being around hundreds of thousands of people that close to this virus potentially passing , also how many actors and artists are going to want to put themselves at risk that close out, unfortunately I can't see Comic-Con actually happening this year and even if it does I'm not sure it could be at the level everyone would come to expect

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on April 07, 2020, 01:28:00 PM
Pipe dream / wishful thinking scenario:

In the event that SDCC is cancelled, CCI should still mail us badges, perhaps with the tag: "The con that wasn't". As an example, for this year's Wrestlemania, WWE made a special t-shirt for it:
https://shop.wwe.com/wrestlemania-36-i-wasnt-there-authentic-t-shirt/010F2745B0.html?dwvar_010F2745B0_color=black#start=3

Of course, CCI would be hurting for cash, so this would never happen. Or maybe they could offer it in an online store along with commemorative t-shirts like what WWE has.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 07, 2020, 01:35:36 PM
Speaking of cash, how likely is the scenario where they cancel, refund all badges because they need to increment the cost of the badges for 2021? even a few extra dollars could make a diference to them cuz being nonprofit right?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on April 07, 2020, 02:35:56 PM
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Speaking of cash, how likely is the scenario where they cancel, refund all badges because they need to increment the cost of the badges for 2021? even a few extra dollars could make a diference to them cuz being nonprofit right?
anything is possible. They could cancel and not allow any refunds. That’s what sxsw did. Just gave the option to roll over the pass to a future year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 07, 2020, 03:12:53 PM
SXSW did that because they had a strict no refund policy anyway.  SDCC obviously allows refunds, so they can’t do that.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on April 07, 2020, 04:53:54 PM
From my point of view, CCI handled the cancellation of WonderCon very well. I got a no-hassle refund for the convention and from OnPeak for the hotel without having to do a thing. I have every confidence that they will treat SDCC with the same professionalism and class.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on April 07, 2020, 05:20:18 PM
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From my point of view, CCI handled the cancellation of WonderCon very well. I got a no-hassle refund for the convention and from OnPeak for the hotel without having to do a thing. I have every confidence that they will treat SDCC with the same professionalism and class.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on April 07, 2020, 08:43:42 PM
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SXSW did that because they had a strict no refund policy anyway.  SDCC obviously allows refunds, so they can’t do that.
unless it’s decided after the no refund date.....
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: AzT on April 10, 2020, 10:11:39 AM
From https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-04-10/canceled-conventions-costing-san-diego-203m-so-far

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San Diego’s single biggest convention — Comic-Con International, which fills hotel rooms to capacity every July — has yet to cancel, but it’s unlikely it will be able to hold its gathering of 135,000 given the kind of social distancing requirements that may well still be in place this summer, said Tourism Authority CEO Joe Terzi.

“They are evaluating any financial liability they might have with a cancellation, and once they determine that, they’ll make a decision,” Terzi said. “Based on our knowledge of the event, it will be very difficult for them to have that event in July. With other events you could do things to keep people separate, but Comic-Con is a whole different animal, it’s a massive sea of people.”

In an email sent earlier this month to the more than 50 hotels that are part of the convention room block for Comic-Con, the Tourism Authority pointed out that organizers are having to consider canceling the show and needed assurances from the hotels, should the gathering be called off, that “any cancellation fees or penalties for this year’s event be waived as we work through this challenging process. Comic-Con continues to be a loyal partner and important economic generator for the City of San Diego and has been for over 50 years.”

So far, a majority of hotels have agreed to the request, and the Tourism Authority, which oversees the booking of larger citywide meetings at the convention center, is awaiting the responses from the rest of the properties, Terzi said.

Comic-Con said Thursday it is still weighing its options and hopes to make an announcement soon. It is also exploring the possibility of an “online component” should the convention not take place, said spokesman David Glanzer.

“We understand that many stakeholders rely upon our conventions as a major portion of their yearly income and livelihood, but we are truly in uncharted territory,” Glanzer said. “We do not want to disappoint the people who have saved, planned, and are looking forward to the show this summer, but the primary concern, what is chief among all our concerns, is the health and safety of not only our attendees, but the public as well.”
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on April 10, 2020, 10:38:33 AM
Not San Diego, but this what our Governor in Illinois said about big summer events in Chicago like the Taste of Chicago (July) and Lollapalooza (July into August) which also feature tons of people densely packed in together, albeit outdoors.

“I think everybody needs to think seriously about canceling large summer events,” the governor said.

He says he knows this is not the news people want to hear, but it may be our reality.

“I do not see how we are going to have large gatherings of people, again, until we have a vaccine, which is months and months away,” Pritzker said.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on April 10, 2020, 11:08:39 AM
Also not San Diego, but today another of our major festivals in Milwaukee (German Fest) scheduled for July 24-26 was cancelled.  I think just about all gatherings through the end of July in our city have now been either postponed or cancelled.

Also, noted that the article on San Diego focuses on cancellation and says nothing about the possibility of postponement.  That leads me to believe postponement may not be a viable option.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 10, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
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From https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-04-10/canceled-conventions-costing-san-diego-203m-so-far

If the Online experience is true....which I dont see how theyd do since many Artists/ Celebrities would cancel, I would hope they would refund atleast part if not most of the cost. No one is going to want to spend $300 for an 'Online Con'
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rabbitwarren on April 10, 2020, 12:16:32 PM
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If the Online eclerience is true....wimhixh I dont see how theyd do since many Artists/ Celebrities qould cancel I would hope they would refund atleast part if not most of the cost. No one is going to want to spend $300 for an 'Online Con'

Many of the artists did live-streams when ECCC was cancelled. Twitch is a popular platform for many where you can share the screen.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on April 10, 2020, 01:08:20 PM
Latest news on SDCC.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-04-10/canceled-conventions-costing-san-diego-203m-so-far?fbclid=IwAR3eGVQYrJTcyQuoCv-hZC-KrjT1WmJsTEchYDS0VWHe8EmXUPJ2qsjA_JM
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 10, 2020, 03:41:20 PM
interpret this as you wish, but I guess we all know what it means

https://twitter.com/ManaByte/status/1248736255401168897
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 10, 2020, 03:56:35 PM
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interpret this as you wish, but I guess we all know what it means

https://twitter.com/ManaByte/status/1248736255401168897

Hopefully an official announcement soon then.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on April 10, 2020, 04:19:21 PM
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interpret this as you wish, but I guess we all know what it means

https://twitter.com/ManaByte/status/1248736255401168897
If so, I’m not shocked.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on April 10, 2020, 04:23:11 PM
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interpret this as you wish, but I guess we all know what it means

https://twitter.com/ManaByte/status/1248736255401168897

Does this Jeremy Conrad usually have insider news? (Sorry, I've never heard of him.)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 10, 2020, 04:54:30 PM
Wonder if this will kick things in gear:

https://sdccblog.com/2020/04/an-open-letter-to-cci-a-plea-for-2020-badge-holders/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 10, 2020, 05:02:40 PM
Ugh.  Can you imagine the nightmares of badge refunds with badge groups, and the buyer no longer has that card?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 10, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
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Ugh.  Can you imagine the nightmares of badge refunds with badge groups, and the buyer no longer has that card?

The wonders of Paypal, Google Pay and Venmo.

But yah sucks for anyone in that boat.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on April 10, 2020, 05:05:47 PM
Refunds in general are going to be a mess for most involved in buying groups.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on April 10, 2020, 08:25:27 PM
Yeah I really hope they're going to allow badges to be rolled over to next year. Financially it'd make more sense for them as well. They'd have extra funds to use for whatever fees and expenses they have for this year and next year's conventions. I do think though that if they allow individual cancellations, it will be a lot more extra work for them to figure out whose badges to cancel and whose to rollover.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on April 10, 2020, 10:13:29 PM
If they cancel, I concur with those who think the fairest way to manage it is to let badge holders roll it over to next year or get a full refund. Ideally, they’d arrange a refund individually with each badge holder even if they weren’t the purchaser. They could get the or direct debit info or mail them a check. But I realize that would be difficult, they may have no choice but to refund the purchaser and let the buying groups deal with it.

However...if people opt to return their badge, I don’t think they should get an additional pre-sale next year. SDCC should just hold a general sale. Refunds cost them money as they have to pay payment processing fees but often don’t get those all back when refunding, and that’s also less cash on hand for CCI. There isn’t a good reason to incentivize refunds.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 10, 2020, 10:28:03 PM
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If they cancel, I concur with those who think the fairest way to manage it is to let badge holders roll it over to next year or get a full refund. Ideally, they’d arrange a refund individually with each badge holder even if they weren’t the purchaser. They could get the or direct debit info or mail them a check. But I realize that would be difficult, they may have no choice but to refund the purchaser and let the buying groups deal with it.

However...if people opt to return their badge, I don’t think they should get an additional pre-sale next year. SDCC should just hold a general sale. Refunds cost them money as they have to pay payment processing fees but often don’t get those all back when refunding, and that’s also less cash on hand for CCI. There isn’t a good reason to incentivize refunds.

Yah a pre reg sale would be kinda pointless next year if they are giving you the option to refund or roll over.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 10, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
I don't think anyone needs to worry about the buying groups.  We have very confident leaders who will be able to guide their groups into working out the refunds.  Everyone will just have to be patient as it all gets sorted out and refunds are processed.  If someone got a new card they will be able to work that out with CCI, get the refund, and refund the badge holders. 

This is what we do, we work together! 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 10, 2020, 11:09:09 PM
The governor of Illinois said he doesn't think there should be large gatherings until there is a vaccine.  Even if that means it's months and months away.  In Germany they are rescheduling a event from 2020 to 2022.  They are skipping 2021 entirely.

The question is not whether there will be a comic-con in 2020, it's whether there will be one in 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: SyndE on April 11, 2020, 07:56:08 AM
And... Burning Man 2020 was cancelled yesterday. This... does not bode well, does it?

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/apr/10/burning-man-cancelled-coronavirus-virtual-event
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: susanml10881 on April 11, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
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Yeah I really hope they're going to allow badges to be rolled over to next year. Financially it'd make more sense for them as well. They'd have extra funds to use for whatever fees and expenses they have for this year and next year's conventions. I do think though that if they allow individual cancellations, it will be a lot more extra work for them to figure out whose badges to cancel and whose to rollover.

Yeah especially since most did buying groups? Should be an option. I don’t know how hard that would be to manage though

I don’t know about the immunity thing yet? I keep reading people who have recovered later test positive for it and are considered contagious. Also there are different strains of the virus?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on April 11, 2020, 09:22:05 AM
Saw this article on stating that CCI will soon cancel this year's event, after finalizing choices.

 https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-04-10/canceled-conventions-costing-san-diego-203m-so-far   (https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-04-10/canceled-conventions-costing-san-diego-203m-so-far)

and another article on the same:

  https://nerdbot.com/2020/04/10/san-diego-comic-con-will-make-cancellation-announcement-soon/?fbclid=IwAR2IRkbO5BeH081jrG1_S5GWlRxDONOBCYuu2O98QD5qEHGdZtBZeM-ShR0 (https://nerdbot.com/2020/04/10/san-diego-comic-con-will-make-cancellation-announcement-soon/?fbclid=IwAR2IRkbO5BeH081jrG1_S5GWlRxDONOBCYuu2O98QD5qEHGdZtBZeM-ShR0)



Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on April 11, 2020, 10:30:31 AM
I know this would be an unpopular thing to do with folks on this board as die-hard fans, but it would be interesting if CCI refunded everyone and basically had next year be a complete level-set with open registration for every single person. Would that drastically alter who got to go next year including a lot of new folks that never got a chance before?

It could also be an opportunity to completely overhaul any aspects of the Con that they have wanted to change, but simply haven't been able to because it's been this behemoth that keeps getting bigger and bigger each year. They would have an additional 2-3 months of planning for 2021 to try and adjust and plan things.

They could have feedback sessions with fans, companies, retailers, so on to get some good ideas of what is most "broke"

Last year was the first year I was able to go, so maybe that's easier for me to say as opposed to someone that has gone decades though.

Not necessarily the route I would go, since I'm sure it would lead to a lot of angry regulars, but if there was ever a time to shake it up, now would be it.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on April 11, 2020, 11:08:07 AM
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I know this would be an unpopular thing to do with folks on this board as die-hard fans, but it would be interesting if CCI refunded everyone and basically had next year be a complete level-set with open registration for every single person. Would that drastically alter who got to go next year including a lot of new folks that never got a chance before?

It could also be an opportunity to completely overhaul any aspects of the Con that they have wanted to change, but simply haven't been able to because it's been this behemoth that keeps getting bigger and bigger each year. They would have an additional 2-3 months of planning for 2021 to try and adjust and plan things.

They could have feedback sessions with fans, companies, retailers, so on to get some good ideas of what is most "broke"

Last year was the first year I was able to go, so maybe that's easier for me to say as opposed to someone that has gone decades though.

Not necessarily the route I would go, since I'm sure it would lead to a lot of angry regulars, but if there was ever a time to shake it up, now would be it.

Bah! Ptooey! No! I've been going every year just so I can go every year; and some years, I barely make it in. I didn't suffer through the last buying round just to have to start all over. SDCC does give an opportunity for newbies to get in, as demonstrated by you and some of my friends/acquaintances. It should also reward the faithful.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on April 11, 2020, 11:48:18 AM
I think all SDCC needs to do is give refunds to those that request them and rollover badges to 2021 for those that do not.  They actually eliminate an entire round of registration because they won't need preregistration.  Likewise, any pros due to renew this year are deferred to next year and an additional year is added to all those currently with pro status.  Therefore, no pro application process is needed this year.

That will already save them a lot of work for 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on April 11, 2020, 11:56:03 AM
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I think all SDCC needs to do is give refunds to those that request them and rollover badges to 2021 for those that do not.  They actually eliminate an entire round of registration because they won't need preregistration.  Likewise, any pros due to renew this year are deferred to next year and an additional year is added to all those currently with pro status.  Therefore, no pro application process is needed this year.

That will already save them a lot of work for 2021.

That should also include Pro Guests that have already paid for 2020.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jason on April 11, 2020, 06:01:06 PM
I don’t think cancelling all badges is an option. I think they should either give everyone the option to roll badges over and hold open registration with the badges not rolled over, OR if they want to raise badge prices they could refund us all and during open registration allow you to rebuy the same badges at the new price.

I can honestly say - and I would bet real money on this - that I would bet 99% of people not in favor of rolling badges just didn’t get all of the days in the last sale. SDCC wants to be fair, this is honestly the most fair option.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 11, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
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I don’t think cancelling all badges is an option. I think they should either give everyone the option to roll badges over and hold open registration with the badges not rolled over, OR if they want to raise badge prices they could refund us all and during open registration allow you to rebuy the same badges at the new price.

I can honestly say - and I would bet real money on this - that I would bet 99% of people not in favor of rolling badges just didn’t get all of the days in the last sale. SDCC wants to be fair, this is honestly the most fair option.

Im sure theres other people that woykd just prefer the refund because they could use the extra money .

Lots of factors though.

I think itd turn into about 50/50. I think atleast 50% would take the refund.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: cciveg on April 11, 2020, 10:51:40 PM
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I know this would be an unpopular thing to do with folks on this board as die-hard fans, but it would be interesting if CCI refunded everyone and basically had next year be a complete level-set with open registration for every single person. Would that drastically alter who got to go next year including a lot of new folks that never got a chance before?

It could also be an opportunity to completely overhaul any aspects of the Con that they have wanted to change, but simply haven't been able to because it's been this behemoth that keeps getting bigger and bigger each year. They would have an additional 2-3 months of planning for 2021 to try and adjust and plan things.

They could have feedback sessions with fans, companies, retailers, so on to get some good ideas of what is most "broke"

Last year was the first year I was able to go, so maybe that's easier for me to say as opposed to someone that has gone decades though.

Not necessarily the route I would go, since I'm sure it would lead to a lot of angry regulars, but if there was ever a time to shake it up, now would be it.

I thought about this scenario as well. Even though it might be unpopular at first, it would allow CCI to do a hard reset or "reboot". Who knows?
 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on April 11, 2020, 11:01:54 PM
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I know this would be an unpopular thing to do with folks on this board as die-hard fans, but it would be interesting if CCI refunded everyone and basically had next year be a complete level-set with open registration for every single person. Would that drastically alter who got to go next year including a lot of new folks that never got a chance before?

It could also be an opportunity to completely overhaul any aspects of the Con that they have wanted to change, but simply haven't been able to because it's been this behemoth that keeps getting bigger and bigger each year. They would have an additional 2-3 months of planning for 2021 to try and adjust and plan things.

They could have feedback sessions with fans, companies, retailers, so on to get some good ideas of what is most "broke"

Last year was the first year I was able to go, so maybe that's easier for me to say as opposed to someone that has gone decades though.

Not necessarily the route I would go, since I'm sure it would lead to a lot of angry regulars, but if there was ever a time to shake it up, now would be it.

I was thinking the same thing. This would be the perfect time to do some unpopular, and maybe necessary changes to keep SDCC as the premiere con. For instance, they could re-evaluate the whole concept of having both a Returning and an Open Registration. Or maybe change how many badges can be bought with each entry. Or maybe they will put a cap on how often you can participate in Returning (like only three consecutive years), but you can still participate in Open. Maybe add lottery to Hall H. I'm just spitballing here.

Selfishly, I don't want things to change, as I perceive any change to hurting my chances of going year-after-year, but I will not be shocked at all if CCI does some drastic changes.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on April 11, 2020, 11:12:17 PM
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Last year was the first year I was able to go, so maybe that's easier for me to say as opposed to someone that has gone decades though.



True.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 12, 2020, 12:38:39 AM
CCI can practically change whenever they want, its really doubtful that in such weird unstable times they will go with a route that will make things just more unstable with their fanbase... they can't even decide what to do with 2020 and maybe 2021, the less they are thinking about making "big" changes
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on April 12, 2020, 10:43:52 AM
Have the two concerts that are happening at Petco Park during SDCC been cancelled / postponed yet?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on April 12, 2020, 10:54:25 AM
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Have the two concerts that are happening at Petco Park during SDCC been cancelled / postponed yet?

Green Day is still on, for now. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 12, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
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Green Day is still on, for now.

They did cancel (sorry "postpone") their Asian Tour.   
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 12, 2020, 05:24:30 PM
Even if large events were held, would people go?  Here's a poll that says no.  72% of sports fans said they would not go to a game until there is a vaccine.

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29018209/poll-fans-attend-games-vaccine

I don't think there will be big cons until there is a vaccine.  So my personal expectation is for SDCC 2022.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 12, 2020, 05:28:44 PM
That poll only had 762 participants though.  Some churches in the south have had more people than that show up to church services in violation of state stay at home orders.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rabbitwarren on April 12, 2020, 06:32:40 PM
Meanwhile in China

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/asia/china-coronavirus-tourist-warning-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: rabbitwarren on April 12, 2020, 07:00:03 PM
Harris asked the question differently.  They didn’t mention a vaccine, just that there’s evidence of “flattening the curve” and they asked how soon are people willing to do the following. Unlike the Seton Hall survey, the question seemed to actually be asked of those who went to sporting events

33% say within 3 months.  Another 20% say 4-6 months.

https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/j17063-QCovid-PropWtd-Tables-Wave6-6-05-Apr-2020v2.pdf

It’s table 212 or page 184
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: sefton42 on April 12, 2020, 07:14:00 PM
And with sports, who your team is will probably affect your response.  Like the NFL team here in DC, let’s just say that fans were already practicing social distancing last season.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on April 12, 2020, 07:46:27 PM
I think what happens in China over the next few weeks will say a lot.  If you can trust their numbers, they've had this virus under control for a little while.  Now they are relaxing rules and crowds are flocking to popular attractions.  If their numbers significantly spike, that warns the rest of the world on the risk of letting up.  If their numbers stay low, that is going to put more pressure on other governments to also relax restrictions.  It's a dangerous gamble either way and sadly a wrong decision may lead to many more people dying.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: imecoli on April 13, 2020, 07:16:51 AM
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I think what happens in China over the next few weeks will say a lot.  If you can trust their numbers, they've had this virus under control for a little while.  Now they are relaxing rules and crowds are flocking to popular attractions.  If their numbers significantly spike, that warns the rest of the world on the risk of letting up.  If their numbers stay low, that is going to put more pressure on other governments to also relax restrictions.  It's a dangerous gamble either way and sadly a wrong decision may lead to many more people dying.
It's hard to trust what China says. A friend said her friend was living in China during Tiananmen Square. The government was telling the people it was a small student protest,  nothing major. Now they are reporting the numbers are on the rise, the highest in 6 weeks,  blaming it on people retuning from travel.

Maybe if they do refund tickets,  they can do pre-reg with only those who had tickets...

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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Virgo911 on April 13, 2020, 07:42:11 AM
I'm not sure why people think that if given the choice to get a refund or roll-over, that there would be many refunds. I think most people would choose a roll-over, thus making a new sale in 2021 impossible.

It sounds like many people on this board would not give up the opportunity to go, so why would other people; and if that's the case then there won't be enough badges available next year to warrant a sale at all...

There may not be a valid way for people who scored badges this year to keep those badges, while allowing the opportunity for others to purchase badges next year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 13, 2020, 08:27:31 AM
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I'm not sure why people think that if given the choice to get a refund or roll-over, that there would be many refunds. I think most people would choose a roll-over, thus making a new sale in 2021 impossible.

It sounds like many people on this board would not give up the opportunity to go, so why would other people; and if that's the case then there won't be enough badges available next year to warrant a sale at all...

There may not be a valid way for people who scored badges this year to keep those badges, while allowing the opportunity for others to purchase badges next year.

This board is only a small number of SDCC badges though. I'm sure there's a number of people who bought badges for this year who might not have jobs now and would really need that refund for bills.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 13, 2020, 11:11:19 AM
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This board is only a small number of SDCC badges though. I'm sure there's a number of people who bought badges for this year who might not have jobs now and would really need that refund for bills.

I agree. Some people need that money right now much more than they need 2021 badges.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dville on April 13, 2020, 11:34:45 AM
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I'm not sure why people think that if given the choice to get a refund or roll-over, that there would be many refunds. I think most people would choose a roll-over, thus making a new sale in 2021 impossible.

It sounds like many people on this board would not give up the opportunity to go, so why would other people; and if that's the case then there won't be enough badges available next year to warrant a sale at all...

There may not be a valid way for people who scored badges this year to keep those badges, while allowing the opportunity for others to purchase badges next year.

I'd take the rollover.  For those of us coming far away, it's more than just badges.  I already bought my plane tickets as well,  and it just seems easier to just rollover everything than to start all over next year and see what happens. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: MickeyJack on April 13, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
I’ve posted earlier that one of my responsibilities is to run a regional performance center. We are extending three choices to our patrons who have purchased tickets for performances that have been cancelled or postponed. They can get a full refund, leave it on account for future performances, or choose to donate the price of the ticket. Most venues like ours have adopted similar policies.

I have to admit that, although I have a full life that is full of life’s normal challenges, nothing stresses me out like the SDCC badge sale (I know, it’s a first world problem). Hotelpocalypse is a close second.

Nothing would please me more than to see CCI give 2020 badge holders a chance to carry over their badges to 2021. But the more I read people’s posts here on the forum, the more I get pessimistic that this will happen. CCI may end up thinking there will be a lot less headaches if they just refund everyone, especially if we can’t even be sure there will be a convention in 2021.

I’m hoping and praying that CCI will consider the fans who have been the core of the Con for many, many years. I’m especially hoping that allowing people to carry the credit over to next year will help them with cash flow. However, in the end, I fear they may think that keeping it simple with a refund for all and a start from scratch badge sale may be the easiest and least expensive route to take.

Please, keep my money CCI! If you don’t, I’ll just end up spending it on my shrink.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 13, 2020, 12:19:57 PM
I think the only reasonable thing for CCI to do once they get the all clear to cancel is to refund everyone.  There's too much unknown for them to do anything else.  It's unclear when the next SDCC will be.  It's unclear how much that will cost.  The prices they charged this year were based off their expenses and revenue for this year.  The expenses for the next one may be much higher.  The convention center might charge more since they have the extra expense of dealing with covid.  The security company might charge more since they have to pay people hazard pay for working a large event.  They might have to charge exhibitors less to entice them to come.  The price that people paid this year may not cover the expenses for a future con.

As for attendees.  For some people, SDCC is a bucket list item.  They could have made it this year but they might not be able to next year or the year after that.  Some plan to come from the other side of the world.  There will be people that will chose not to rollover even if they can.  Add to that the people that are now out of a job and desperately need money.  I meet a lot of people at comic-con where going every year is a stretch financially to begin with.  So there will be people choosing refunds.  Then CCI will have to have another badge sell anyways to sell any refunded badges.  It's simpler for them to just start over just like it was a new year.  They could make people that got their first badges this year returning attendees to lessen the sting.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on April 13, 2020, 12:41:32 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1249778781646012416?s=20

Even though what Gov. Newsom said today is good news, yet I still want to learn the details of this plan to reopen California’s economy, I’m still not expecting SDCC 2020 to happen. I shared this bit of info to keep everyone updated on the news.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: realninjaturtle on April 13, 2020, 03:52:26 PM
I totally understand wanting to open everything up. But without a cure, vaccine, or testing that is a recipe for resurgence. No way any of that will happen by SDCC.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 13, 2020, 03:59:28 PM
As reported in the local newspaper a couple of days ago, we will may get a virtual SDCC 2020.

"It is also exploring the possibility of an “online component” should the convention not take place, said spokesman David Glanzer."

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on April 13, 2020, 04:01:59 PM
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As reported in the local newspaper a couple of days ago, we will may get a virtual SDCC 2020.

"It is also exploring the possibility of an “online component” should the convention not take place, said spokesman David Glanzer."

They could have panels using Zoom?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 13, 2020, 04:53:37 PM
If SDCC goes the virtual con route wouldnt they still have to give hotels the go ahead to refund?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: cciveg on April 13, 2020, 07:20:59 PM
Here is a perspective that sets things back a bit. Here is a quote from the article.
"Large-scale gatherings such as conferences, sport events, and live concerts won’t be safe to attend until “fall 2021 at the earliest,” according to Zeke Emmanuel, director of the Healthcare Transformation Institute at the University of Pennsylvania."
https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/04/health-expert-concerts-wont-return-fall-2021/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: susanml10881 on April 13, 2020, 07:49:20 PM
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Here is a perspective that sets things back a bit. Here is a quote from the article.
"Large-scale gatherings such as conferences, sport events, and live concerts won’t be safe to attend until “fall 2021 at the earliest,” according to Zeke Emmanuel, director of the Healthcare Transformation Institute at the University of Pennsylvania."
https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/04/health-expert-concerts-wont-return-fall-2021/

I was coming here to post that. So we might not get SDCC 2021 either :/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: susanml10881 on April 13, 2020, 07:51:48 PM
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I think the only reasonable thing for CCI to do once they get the all clear to cancel is to refund everyone.  There's too much unknown for them to do anything else.  It's unclear when the next SDCC will be.  It's unclear how much that will cost.  The prices they charged this year were based off their expenses and revenue for this year.  The expenses for the next one may be much higher.  The convention center might charge more since they have the extra expense of dealing with covid.  The security company might charge more since they have to pay people hazard pay for working a large event.  They might have to charge exhibitors less to entice them to come.  The price that people paid this year may not cover the expenses for a future con.

As for attendees.  For some people, SDCC is a bucket list item.  They could have made it this year but they might not be able to next year or the year after that.  Some plan to come from the other side of the world.  There will be people that will chose not to rollover even if they can.  Add to that the people that are now out of a job and desperately need money.  I meet a lot of people at comic-con where going every year is a stretch financially to begin with.  So there will be people choosing refunds.  Then CCI will have to have another badge sell anyways to sell any refunded badges.  It's simpler for them to just start over just like it was a new year.  They could make people that got their first badges this year returning attendees to lessen the sting.

Refunds will kinda be a mess since many of us did buy groups. We’d have to contact the person who bought it or you’d have to contact them if you bought for them, etc.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on April 13, 2020, 07:59:02 PM
To be honest the buying groups aren't CCI's problem.  Somebody bought badges.  All badges that the buyer bought the buyer paid for, and the groups have systems to reimburse those others.  That's outside of CCI's process.  So, even if they decided to refund, it'd be up to the folks that were part of that group.

That being said, I got a feeling CCI will refund buyers, and not roll badges over.  To them, I think that would reset the playing field, and everybody has to try for badges like before.  It'd be awesome if they rolled it over, but I gots a feeling that they won't.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 13, 2020, 08:37:40 PM
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I was coming here to post that. So we might not get SDCC 2021 either :/

that's an scenario without a vaccine for the next 12-18 months... if an efective medication gets thru, we will be at a "normal" level for 2021 for sure
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 13, 2020, 09:41:18 PM
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that's an scenario without a vaccine for the next 12-18 months... if an efective medication gets thru, we will be at a "normal" level for 2021 for sure

An effective medication is just as, if not more unlikely, to get here any sooner.  There are not many medications to treat viruses.  Those that exist generally showed up much later than a vaccine.  In those few cases, the treatment isn't as effective.  Vaccination is the best way to deal with viruses.

People bring up having something like Tamiflu.  Tamiflu helps but in no way is as effective as a vaccine.  It shortens the illness but people still die of the flu.

Right now we are in the desperate throw everything including the kitchen sink hope period of using an existing medication to treat covid.  It happens with every viral outbreak.  For the Spanish Flu they thought it was aspirin, the new wonder drug at the time.  The one being hyped by Trump was also the hope for SARS.  It didn't work out with SARS, another corona virus.  Offhand, I don't know of any treatment for any corona virus, including the common cold.  I don't know of any approved vaccine for any corona virus either.  Not for SARS, not for MERS not for the common cold.  The 12-18 month schedule to develop a vaccine for a class of virus that we have never succeeded in making a vaccine for maybe optimistically short.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: cciveg on April 13, 2020, 10:11:03 PM
A best case scenario I read was even if a vaccine is developed, and with short cut safety trials, the sheer number to produce the vaccine is at least 18 months. I hope it would be sooner but time will tell.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 13, 2020, 10:29:32 PM
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A best case scenario I read was even if a vaccine is developed, and with short cut safety trials, the sheer number to produce the vaccine is at least 18 months. I hope it would be sooner but time will tell.

That's how the aspirational 12-18 months is even possible.  All but one vaccine candidate is skipping the phase 2 and phase 3 trails.  They are only doing the phase 1.  Phase 1 is for safety.  Phase 2 is to see if it works.  Phase 3 is how well it works compared to existing treatments.  So most of the candidates will go from it won't kill you to emergency deployment.  Time will tell if it really works.

Emergency use is something people should be aware of.  There are a lot of new things that are being reported as being FDA approved.  This is not the FDA approval that people normally think of.  Something that's been tested for safety and efficacy.  The approvals being given out are Emergency Use Authorizations.  That's completely different.  Basically that's the FDA saying we have nothing, so why not try this?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on April 14, 2020, 07:02:38 AM
Looking at how things are right now, I think that no matter how CCI chooses to handle cancelling or postponing....most will be back trying for badges when the "all clear" is given. I will.  Even if they make us start over from scratch. 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 08:28:23 AM
Maybe I watch too much Sci-Fi but this whole skip the proper trails and deploy it as fast as possible sounds like an evil plot to destroy or control society.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on April 14, 2020, 10:03:56 AM
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Maybe I watch too much Sci-Fi but this whole skip the proper trails and deploy it as fast as possible sounds like an evil plot to destroy or control society.
Or the start of a zombie movie. God I hope none of the biotechs researching a vaccine has an Umbrella for a logo.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 10:19:11 AM
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Or the start of a zombie movie. God I hope none of the biotechs researching a vaccine has an Umbrella for a logo.

There is a company that has a logo very similar

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GJ0oO00l5xc/XpXw2X5tmDI/AAAAAAAApFw/nkR1Jdu6QiUe-25B34BLndMgboxiiDU-gCK8BGAsYHg/s0/2020-04-14.png)


For those of you who are going to get stuck on the spelling of raccoon, it can be spelled both ways just one is used more and considered more accurate.  So lighten up a bit!  :-\
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on April 14, 2020, 10:36:23 AM
All of the opinions on coronavirus and the impact on SDCC thus far have been helpful -- if not entertaining :)

I'll be quite crestfallen this Summer if I'm not able to see all of you wonderful people at the con and make new memories.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: janray on April 14, 2020, 10:39:48 AM
Fanime in San Jose just announced they are postponing until next year and tickets will be rolled over to 2021, NO refunds.
Hotels booked through Fanime block cancelled with no penalties.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: realninjaturtle on April 14, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
China is having a resurgence now. People in Korea who recovered from the virus are getting it again. If SDCC plans to have the convention this year and anyone gets this virus there, SDCC is leaving themselves open to a huge liable lawsuit. Especially if anyone dies after catching it during SDCC. Their having this convention is telling everyone that it is safe to go.

But it seems unlikely SDCC2020 will happen since the hotel sale hasn't happened yet and SDCC cannot even guarantee that all the hotels will be open. What a mess that would be. In order for them to proceed, everyone has to be on board. Hotels, restaurants, vendors, staff, volunteers etc. I just don't see that happening. People will be scrambling for a place to eat, hotel to stay at, things to do. What a mess. Just cancel the event. Many would be thrilled at a badge rollover to 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on April 14, 2020, 11:14:45 AM
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China is having a resurgence now. People in Korea who recovered from the virus are getting it again. If SDCC plans to have the convention this year and anyone gets this virus there, SDCC is leaving themselves open to a huge liable lawsuit. Especially if anyone dies after catching it during SDCC. Their having this convention is telling everyone that it is safe to go.

But it seems unlikely SDCC2020 will happen since the hotel sale hasn't happened yet and SDCC cannot even guarantee that all the hotels will be open. What a mess that would be. In order for them to proceed, everyone has to be on board. Hotels, restaurants, vendors, staff, volunteers etc. I just don't see that happening. People will be scrambling for a place to eat, hotel to stay at, things to do. What a mess. Just cancel the event. Many would be thrilled at a badge rollover to 2021.

I agree with most of your post, but doubt any legal liability issues will be a major concern.  I'm certain if SDCC is held, it would come with all kinds of disclaimers and statements that basically amount to "attend at your own risk".  And who would really be liable?  SDCC can only be held if the state and local government and health officials allow it.  So aren't they really the ones implying it's safe?  Or if you listen to the White House, then the ultimate authority to open the country is up to the president.  So if it's allowed, is he liable?  Good luck with that one.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on April 14, 2020, 11:26:38 AM
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China is having a resurgence now. People in Korea who recovered from the virus are getting it again. If SDCC plans to have the convention this year and anyone gets this virus there, SDCC is leaving themselves open to a huge liable lawsuit. Especially if anyone dies after catching it during SDCC. Their having this convention is telling everyone that it is safe to go.

But it seems unlikely SDCC2020 will happen since the hotel sale hasn't happened yet and SDCC cannot even guarantee that all the hotels will be open. What a mess that would be. In order for them to proceed, everyone has to be on board. Hotels, restaurants, vendors, staff, volunteers etc. I just don't see that happening. People will be scrambling for a place to eat, hotel to stay at, things to do. What a mess. Just cancel the event. Many would be thrilled at a badge rollover to 2021.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/opinion/coronavirus-immunity.html

“Who Is Immune to the Coronavirus?” — NYT

That article talks about many things, especially what you mentioned in your post.

Also this from an ICU doctor in LA:

https://youtu.be/kgzFAdYwYLM

Fast forward to 6:28 about scientists in a study testing a few monkeys to see what happens next after exposing them to the coronavirus again.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: debster on April 14, 2020, 12:17:58 PM
They just canceled Bookcon, which was rescheduled from the end of May to the weekend of SDCC. They’re going to give everyone refunds. Usually they have a VIP presale for people who had VIP badges the year before, I wonder if they’ll just have one badge sale next year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 14, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
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People in Korea who recovered from the virus are getting it again.

I brought that up too.  Like I said before, just because you have anti-bodies doesn't mean you are immune.  It's unclear what the degree of immunity may be.  Especially if someone had it without symptoms.  They may not have had enough of an immune response to protect them in the future.

I don't think the authorities are preparing people for all possibilities.  The official line is that in 12-18 months we will have a vaccine and the world can go back to normal.  In my opinion, that's the best case scenario.  We may not have a vaccine in 18 months, 5 years or ever.  If this was a strain of influenza then confidence in having a vaccine in 18 months would be high.  We are good at dealing with flus.  This is corona.  We don't have vaccines for similar corona viruses like SARS or MERS and they have been around a lot longer.  It took 40 years to develop an Ebola vaccine.  We are still waiting for a HIV vaccine.  HIV in particular has had a lot of money poured into it over the decades.  Vaccine development for that hasn't been held back by a lack of resources.

We can't keep the world closed forever.  So another possibility is that we have to adapt to a new normal where there is a virus that's as contagious as the cold and as deadly as the flu.  Handshaking is done.  Mask wearing becomes the norm.  Social distancing becomes second nature.  Cross our fingers and hope it doesn't mutate as rapidly as the common cold.  Then hopefully it eventually runs it's course.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on April 14, 2020, 12:53:05 PM
https://twitter.com/zavalaa/status/1250149189125689344?s=21

And another tweet: https://twitter.com/dieter/status/1250149608707084288?s=21

Both are about what Gov. Newsom said about large scale events for the summer and fall in California.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: realninjaturtle on April 14, 2020, 01:09:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/zavalaa/status/1250149189125689344?s=21

And another tweet: https://twitter.com/dieter/status/1250149608707084288?s=21

Both are about what Gov. Newsom said about large scale events for the summer and fall in California.
Newsom: "Large scale events that bring in tens of thousands of people is not in the cards, based on our current guidelines and current expectations."
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: realninjaturtle on April 14, 2020, 01:10:57 PM
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I brought that up too.  Like I said before, just because you have anti-bodies doesn't mean you are immune.  It's unclear what the degree of immunity may be.  Especially if someone had it without symptoms.  They may not have had enough of an immune response to protect them in the future.

I don't think the authorities are preparing people for all possibilities.  The official line is that in 12-18 months we will have a vaccine and the world can go back to normal.  In my opinion, that's the best case scenario.  We may not have a vaccine in 18 months, 5 years or ever.  If this was a strain of influenza then confidence in having a vaccine in 18 months would be high.  We are good at dealing with flus.  This is corona.  We don't have vaccines for similar corona viruses like SARS or MERS and they have been around a lot longer.  It took 40 years to develop an Ebola vaccine.  We are still waiting for a HIV vaccine.  HIV in particular has had a lot of money poured into it over the decades.  Vaccine development for that hasn't been held back by a lack of resources.

We can't keep the world closed forever.  So another possibility is that we have to adapt to a new normal where there is a virus that's as contagious as the cold and as deadly as the flu.  Handshaking is done.  Mask wearing becomes the norm.  Social distancing becomes second nature.  Cross our fingers and hope it doesn't mutate as rapidly as the common cold.  Then hopefully it eventually runs it's course.
Problem is social distancing is not possible with large events like SDCC
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: realninjaturtle on April 14, 2020, 01:16:03 PM
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I agree with most of your post, but doubt any legal liability issues will be a major concern.  I'm certain if SDCC is held, it would come with all kinds of disclaimers and statements that basically amount to "attend at your own risk".  And who would really be liable?  SDCC can only be held if the state and local government and health officials allow it.  So aren't they really the ones implying it's safe?  Or if you listen to the White House, then the ultimate authority to open the country is up to the president.  So if it's allowed, is he liable?  Good luck with that one.
How are they going to release these 'disclaimers'. And if you don't agree, their obligation is to totally refund your badge. Who is stupid enough to go to an event that is labled 'Attend at your own risk of sickness or death'. That's where natural selection takes over.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: cciveg on April 14, 2020, 01:16:28 PM
Like others, I am wondering if even 2021 will happen. As events and gatherings are identified as "super spreaders", I think many large events will be pushed back further.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 14, 2020, 01:46:39 PM
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Problem is social distancing is not possible with large events like SDCC

That's why I've been saying that the question is not whether there will be a SDCC 2020, but whether there will be a SDCC 2021.

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How are they going to release these 'disclaimers'. And if you don't agree, their obligation is to totally refund your badge. Who is stupid enough to go to an event that is labled 'Attend at your own risk of sickness or death'. That's where natural selection takes over.

They already do.  All events do.  You agree to them when you agree to attend.  I would surprised if there already isn't language in the terms that cover everything up to and including death.

I've been to places and attend events that make it even clearer.  They make you sign something that absolves them of any liability if you die.  That is separate and distinct from any other terms.

Plenty of people do things at their "own risk of sickness or death".  Like ride roller coasters.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: perc2100 on April 14, 2020, 01:50:38 PM
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Like others, I am wondering if even 2021 will happen. As events and gatherings are identified as "super spreaders", I think many large events will be pushed back further.
I, unfortunately, agree.  I'm not at liberty to go into details, but talks that CA county offices of education are having as to what school will look like for 2020/2021 are in line with no 'large' events/gatherings (and I'm not talking just "no sports," I'm talking about literally how classrooms may look next year, how school schedules will be radically different, etc).

I mean, the Chancellor of Cal State schools & UC schools already said they're planning for virtual classes only for Fall 2020 (that _could_ change, but that doesn't seem likely at this juncture).

I think we're going to see a myriad of changes: a 'New Normal,' so to speak, for the foreseeable future
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 02:08:39 PM
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How are they going to release these 'disclaimers'. And if you don't agree, their obligation is to totally refund your badge. Who is stupid enough to go to an event that is labled 'Attend at your own risk of sickness or death'. That's where natural selection takes over.

Lately, the badges have had walking dead on them, so one could argue they already labeled with that.  ???
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 14, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
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I agree with most of your post, but doubt any legal liability issues will be a major concern.  I'm certain if SDCC is held, it would come with all kinds of disclaimers and statements that basically amount to "attend at your own risk".  And who would really be liable?  SDCC can only be held if the state and local government and health officials allow it.  So aren't they really the ones implying it's safe?  Or if you listen to the White House, then the ultimate authority to open the country is up to the president.  So if it's allowed, is he liable?  Good luck with that one.

If SDCC is a 'Attend At Your Own Risk' then they would have to offer refunds. If not than the 'Attend At Your Own Risk' means nothing.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on April 14, 2020, 03:30:36 PM
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If SDCC is a 'Attend At Your Own Risk' then they would have to offer refunds. If not than the 'Attend At Your Own Risk' means nothing.

Look, they're not going to use the exact words "Attend at your own risk", but some legal variation that won't sound as ominous.  In the end though, that's what it'll mean.  As has been previously stated, people attend events and do activities all the time with disclaimers.  It's nothing new.  My point is that I don't think CCI will be liable if anyone catches corona virus at their event unless you can prove gross negligence on their part.

As far as other news coming out today, it seems more and more clear that SDCC is not going to happen in 2020.  Some people will question whether it will happen in 2021.  So I think the real unknown is just how they will handle people already registered to attend this year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 14, 2020, 03:33:14 PM
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Look, they're not going to use the exact words "Attend at your own risk", but some legal variation that won't sound as ominous.  In the end though, that's what it'll mean.  As has been previously stated, people attend events and do activities all the time with disclaimers.  It's nothing new.  My point is that I don't think CCI will be liable if anyone catches corona virus at their event unless you can prove gross negligence on their part.

As far as other news coming out today, it seems more and more clear that SDCC is not going to happen in 2020.  Some people will question whether it will happen in 2021.  So I think the real unknown is just how they will handle people already registered to attend this year.

The problem is people bought tickets before the disclaimers go into effect.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on April 14, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
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The problem is people bought tickets before the disclaimers go into effect.

I don't think it's going to be a problem.  SDCC will be cancelled for 2020.  But you do bring up a good point.  If they want to change any of the disclaimer language, simply rolling over badges to 2021 might not be that easy.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: AzT on April 14, 2020, 03:58:43 PM
From https://twitter.com/CherryTreeInc/status/1250175608094461955

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Due to the events of COVID-19, CherryTree Inc. will not exhibit at conventions this year - including San Diego Comic Con and Star Trek Las Vegas. We love going to these events and we’ll miss hanging out with our convention buddies & making new friends - but we ask that you stay home and healthy, so we can see each other when there is more certainty in stopping the spread of the coronavirus. We implore convention organizers to cancel or postpone their events this year, as the safety of all who’ve planned to attend cannot be guaranteed at this time. Our merchandise, computers and cases are available year-round at MyCherryTree.com

https://www.instagram.com/p/B--csl0FVtH/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on April 14, 2020, 04:04:50 PM
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That's why I've been saying that the question is not whether there will be a SDCC 2020, but whether there will be a SDCC 2021.

They already do.  All events do.  You agree to them when you agree to attend.  I would surprised if there already isn't language in the terms that cover everything up to and including death.

I've been to places and attend events that make it even clearer.  They make you sign something that absolves them of any liability if you die.  That is separate and distinct from any other terms.

Plenty of people do things at their "own risk of sickness or death".  Like ride roller coasters.

"At your own risk" doesn't really absolve them of lawsuits. It doesn't even absolve them of the price of losing the lawsuit, if it looks like they were at fault. Every rollercoaster has disclaimers posted all over the place. Google rollercoaster and lawsuit. Just defending a lawsuit is a hefty price tag, not to mention if they lose.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 14, 2020, 04:26:48 PM
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"At your own risk" doesn't really absolve them of lawsuits. It doesn't even absolve them of the price of losing the lawsuit, if it looks like they were at fault. Every rollercoaster has disclaimers posted all over the place. Google rollercoaster and lawsuit. Just defending a lawsuit is a hefty price tag, not to mention if they lose.

I realize that.  This is America after all.  But it does go a long way.  That's why there are disclaimers posted all over the place.  If it didn't help, there wouldn't be any disclaimers.  Especially in this current situation.  Someone can't claim they were unaware of the danger.

There's also a hefty price tag for pursuing a lawsuit.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Devorah on April 14, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
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I don't think it's going to be a problem.  SDCC will be cancelled for 2020.  But you do bring up a good point.  If they want to change any of the disclaimer language, simply rolling over badges to 2021 might not be that easy.
Perhaps they could put it in the member ID system. Two choices - get a refund or roll over your badge. Before you can opt to roll over you have to acknowledge any additional terms and conditions they may want to put in place.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 14, 2020, 04:31:09 PM
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I don't think it's going to be a problem.  SDCC will be cancelled for 2020.  But you do bring up a good point.  If they want to change any of the disclaimer language, simply rolling over badges to 2021 might not be that easy.

For a variety of reasons, rolling over badges to 2022 doesn't make much sense.  The easiest and best thing for them to do is refund and then hold another badge sale.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: puppy on April 14, 2020, 04:32:07 PM
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I realize that.  This is America after all.  But it does go a long way.  That's why there are disclaimers posted all over the place.  If it didn't help, there wouldn't be any disclaimers.  Especially in this current situation.  Someone can't claim they were unaware of the danger.

There's also a hefty price tag for pursuing a lawsuit.

I think the signs are there to discourage people from thinking of suing. They think it's legal language so they don't even try. If they did, and they had a case, I'm sure it would go forward. Lawyers who take it up on contingency do it because they think they have a good chance of winning or settling.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 14, 2020, 04:39:09 PM
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I think the signs are there to discourage people from thinking of suing. They think it's legal language so they don't even try. If they did, and they had a case, I'm sure it would go forward. Lawyers who take it up on contingency do it because they think they have a good chance of winning or settling.

The signs are up to inform people.  There's a world of difference between saying you had no idea and that you were warned but you chose to go ahead anyways.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: epicaz on April 14, 2020, 05:03:02 PM
Even if the virus dissipated by the time summer rolls around, a gathering as populated and dense as SDCC would almost certainly be ground zero for beginning a fall reemergence, or spreading for round 2.

I think that society will likely go back to normal in the coming months but large events/dense gathering spaces will be postponed indefinitely until the virus is gone and treated.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 06:32:18 PM
I called CCI and asked what they plan to do and they have a detailed plan on how to roll over badges.

PN+4days

     1. It can only be rolled over for people that have won in BYO's Punk Rock Bowling Tournament held in Las Vegas
     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you purchased a Disney Plus account in August 2019, otherwise, you go to general.

4days

     1. It can only be rolled over for people that have never held a pass to six flags or to Disney parks.
     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you still have your ticket from seeing Howard The Duck in theaters and turn it over to CCI, otherwise, you go to general.

3 days (any 3 days)

     1. It can only be rolled over for people that can produce SDCC badges for the past 20 years, not emails or receipts the actual badges!
     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you still have your Atari and turn it over to CCI, otherwise, you go to general.

2 Days (any 2 days)

     1. It can only be rolled over for people that have Star Wars tattoos.  However, the tattoo can not be of a character and must be on your lower back.
     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you have a complete Funko Pop collection of Harry Potter characters and turn it over to CCI, otherwise, you go to general.

1 Day

     1. It can be rolled over for anyone but you instantly lose all lottos, though you are required to enter.
     2. If you don't roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you commit to wearing a toucan suite the entire con, otherwise, you go to general.

Hope that eases everyone's anxiety
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on April 14, 2020, 06:44:26 PM
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I called CCI and asked what they plan to do and they have a detailed plan on how to roll over badges.

PN+4days

     1. It can only be rolled over for people that have won in BYO's Punk Rock Bowling Tournament held in Las Vegas
     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you purchased a Disney Plus account in August 2019, otherwise, you go to general.

4days

     1. It can only be rolled over for people that have never held a pass to six flags or to Disney parks.
     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you still have your ticket from seeing Howard The Duck in theaters and turn it over to CCI, otherwise, you go to general.

3 days (any 3 days)

     1. It can only be rolled over for people that can produce SDCC badges for the past 20 years, not emails or receipts the actual badges!
     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you still have your Atari and turn it over to CCI, otherwise, you go to general.

2 Days (any 2 days)

     1. It can only be rolled over for people that have Star Wars tattoos.  However, the tattoo can not be of a character and must be on your lower back.
     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you have a complete Funko Pop collection of Harry Potter characters and turn it over to CCI, otherwise, you go to general.

1 Day

     1. It can be rolled over for anyone but you instantly lose all lottos, though you are required to enter.
     2. If you don't roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you commit to wearing a toucan suite the entire con, otherwise, you go to general.

Hope that eases everyone's anxiety

Ummm nope thought it was real deal... don't like false information as joke... Its like saying"Comic Con is Canceling..oh by the way just kidding." Just not my type of humor.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 07:16:21 PM
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Ummm nope thought it was real deal... don't like false information as joke... Its like saying"Comic Con is Canceling..oh by the way just kidding." Just not my type of humor.

I think ALF's father Bob would have really enjoyed it though.  Maybe you would prefer his impression of feta cheese?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 14, 2020, 07:27:38 PM
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     2. If you don't qualify to roll over you will be eligible for returning registration if you still have your ticket from seeing Howard The Duck in theaters and turn it over to CCI, otherwise, you go to general.

Does it count if it is a ticket to see the original Howard the Duck movie in 1986? (Yes, I really did see that movie in theatres....)

FWIW, @NCDS (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2339) , I appreciate your humor. This discussion really needed a little lightening!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 14, 2020, 07:50:41 PM
The San Diego County Fair for 2020 is canceled.  I don't see any path forward for comic-con 2020.  I haven't seen that for a while.  I think they are only holding off official cancellation for business reasons.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2020-04-14/county-fair-canceled-death-toll-tops-50-in-local-covid-outbreak
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 07:51:49 PM
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Does it count if it is a ticket to see the original Howard the Duck movie in 1986? (Yes, I really did see that movie in theatres....)

FWIW, @NCDS (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2339) , I appreciate your humor. This discussion really needed a little lightening!

CCI will fix the fine print to note it is only the 1986 version.   I saw it also!  I don't have the ticket stub to prove it though.   Good thing I won the BYO Punk Rock Bowling tournament in 2018.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on April 14, 2020, 08:50:15 PM
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I think ALF's father Bob would have really enjoyed it though.  Maybe you would prefer his impression of feta cheese?

Please leave my family member out of it.. I find that rude thank you
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 08:54:14 PM
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Please leave my family member out of it.. I find that rude thank you

I completely understand.  You are still probably dealing with the grief of your Aunt Bubba falling out of one of her patients.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on April 14, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
SOOOOOO back to your regularly scheduled cancellation topic!!  ???

As to the idea that SDCC 2021 could be cancelled as well ---

In that case I really don't see how they could give the options to roll the badge over.  They'd really need to refund and wipe the slate clean and start from scratch.  But hopefully RetReg would still give 2019 attendees earlier access to badges.  My guess is we'll hear something within a week or so.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 09:04:00 PM
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SOOOOOO back to your regularly scheduled cancellation topic!!  ???

As to the idea that SDCC 2021 could be cancelled as well ---

In that case I really don't see how they could give the options to roll the badge over.  They'd really need to refund and wipe the slate clean and start from scratch.  But hopefully RetReg would still give 2019 attendees earlier access to badges.  My guess is we'll hear something within a week or so.


I reject this notion!  We are staying positive here!!!!   If Reedpop can do it so can we :)   

Plus they can also roll over to 2022, just like a rollie pollie they can keep rolling and rolling and rolling until it happens  :P
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on April 14, 2020, 09:04:36 PM
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I completely understand.  You are still probably dealing with the grief of your Aunt Bubba falling out of one of her patients.

Does it really take a pandemic for a person to find out that they are really not that funny or is it the 104 fever causing this person’s  delirium. Please stay off the computer and take care of yourself first.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on April 14, 2020, 09:11:38 PM
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I reject this notion!  We are staying positive here!!!!   If Reedpop can do it so can we :)   

Plus they can also roll over to 2022, just like a rollie pollie they can keep rolling and rolling and rolling until it happens  :P

I would be okay with it if they do roll badges to 2022, of course. 

But if they DO refund everyone, with all the uncertainty about 2021 I'd imagine they'd wait as long as possible to do the badge sale.  We'd need a poll with LOTS of date choices to predict the badge sale date.  Can you imagine the stress??
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 09:13:22 PM
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Does it really take a pandemic for a person to find out that they are really not that funny or is it the 104 fever causing this person’s  delirium. Please stay off the computer and take care of yourself first.

Sorry, you do realize I am referencing things from ALF.  I kinda thought it would cheer you up seeing as it is your avatar and forum name. These are hard times and a smile can go a long way. 

Fun fact ALF gave is best friends bride away for his wedding and he doesn't remember where he put her!!!! 

A quick tip: You can actually make it so you never see any of my posts  :-\
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 09:14:39 PM
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I would be okay with it if they do roll badges to 2022, of course. 

But if they DO refund everyone, with all the uncertainty about 2021 I'd imagine they'd wait as long as possible to do the badge sale.  We'd need a poll with LOTS of date choices to predict the badge sale date.  Can you imagine the stress??

We could have polls within polls, we could break that fourth wall! 
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: ALF on April 14, 2020, 09:19:30 PM
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Sorry, you do realize I am referencing things from ALF.  I kinda thought it would cheer you up seeing as it is your avatar and forum name. These are hard times and a smile can go a long way. 

Fun fact ALF gave is best friends bride away for his wedding and he doesn't remember where he put her!!!! 

A quick tip: You can actually make it so you never see any of my posts  :-\

Not here to pick a fight.
Just making a point right now we need substantial info to ease our anxiety not post of false facts. We are at the moment of high anxiety between the cabin fever and Comic con. And I have no reason to block you. ALF does not have a dad name Bob At least not on Melmak.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 09:26:11 PM
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Not here to pick a fight.
Just making a point right now we need substantial info to ease our anxiety not post of false facts. We are at the moment of high anxiety between the cabin fever and Comic con. And I have no reason to block you. ALF does not have a dad name Bob At least not on Melmak.

http://www.alftv.com/alffacts.php
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on April 14, 2020, 09:31:15 PM
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We could have polls within polls, we could break that fourth wall!

How about a poll for when we'll get a decision?  Or maybe a Bingo card?  I'd like to place SDCC2020 Bingo!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 14, 2020, 09:37:01 PM
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How about a poll for when we'll get a decision?  Or maybe a Bingo card?  I'd like to place SDCC2020 Bingo!

I like this idea of SDCC2020 Bingo.  We could have squares for dates they cancel, a square for a tweet they are still deciding, a square for announcing a virtual con, square for refunds, so many squares to think of!!!!!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Michaelnaut on April 15, 2020, 07:35:14 AM
Say "alffacts" five times fast :)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: penman on April 15, 2020, 08:22:28 AM
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I reject this notion!  We are staying positive here!!!!   If Reedpop can do it so can we :)   

Plus they can also roll over to 2022, just like a rollie pollie they can keep rolling and rolling and rolling until it happens  :P

Agreed. The roll over is the only thing that makes sense to me. It is the most fair thing to do. The way I see it, we got badges to go to SDCC, so whenever the next SDCC is, we should get to go. If they refund and just do a completely new badge sale, a lot of us might not get badges, while people who weren't supposed to go, could get badges. So while those who got SDCC2020 badges are impacted by the cancellation, people who didn't get SDCC2020 badges aren't impacted at all.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 15, 2020, 08:48:25 AM
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Agreed. The roll over is the only thing that makes sense to me. It is the most fair thing to do. The way I see it, we got badges to go to SDCC, so whenever the next SDCC is, we should get to go. If they refund and just do a completely new badge sale, a lot of us might not get badges, while people who weren't supposed to go, could get badges. So while those who got SDCC2020 badges are impacted by the cancellation, people who didn't get SDCC2020 badges aren't impacted at all.

If they start rolling now they can catch the rollie pollie express in 2022!   How great would it be if CCI started calling the shuttles the rollie pollies?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hipchick on April 15, 2020, 09:45:32 AM
They could also refund everyone, retain our badge selection in the system, then when SDCC badge sales for 2021 or whenever happen they can offer us all the option to buy the badge we bought for 2020. So if you had 4 day + PN for 2020, you could buy 4 day + PN for the next con. If you don't want to go you just don't buy a badge.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Jason on April 15, 2020, 10:58:34 AM
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They could also refund everyone, retain our badge selection in the system, then when SDCC badge sales for 2021 or whenever happen they can offer us all the option to buy the badge we bought for 2020. So if you had 4 day + PN for 2020, you could buy 4 day + PN for the next con. If you don't want to go you just don't buy a badge.

This option makes sense if they plan on raising badge prices for the 2021 show.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: TardisMom on April 15, 2020, 11:08:03 AM
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They could also refund everyone, retain our badge selection in the system, then when SDCC badge sales for 2021 or whenever happen they can offer us all the option to buy the badge we bought for 2020. So if you had 4 day + PN for 2020, you could buy 4 day + PN for the next con. If you don't want to go you just don't buy a badge.

I like this idea!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 15, 2020, 02:05:46 PM
There's an internal memo that Los Angeles will ban large events until 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mdla on April 15, 2020, 02:17:30 PM
https://screenrant.com/san-diego-comic-con-2020-2021-cancelled-reason/?utm_content=buffer288d0&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=SR-TW&utm_campaign=SR-TW
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 15, 2020, 02:27:29 PM
I just want to apologize for Michigan right now. God help us.

Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 15, 2020, 02:36:41 PM
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There's an internal memo that Los Angeles will ban large events until 2021.

I know rationally that this is probably necessary. But I am literally crying right now.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on April 15, 2020, 02:39:42 PM
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I know rationally that this is probably necessary. But I am literally crying right now.
Infinite sadness.

No SDCC, Star Wars Celebration, DCon... :/
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on April 15, 2020, 02:48:07 PM
Raising prices and making people buy them at the new price may not help that much, vs. letting them roll badges over to the next con. Merchants have to pay credit card fees and they don't necessarily get these back even if they have to refund the payment. That would reduce or even cancel out the extra money they get from the higher prices. I think it would help them more to keep the funds on hand. CCI letting the badgeholders keep the badges at the old price (even if they raise them for new purchases) would be a reasonable exchange for the badgeholders letting CCI keep the funds on hand.

I also don't like the idea of canceling them all and then letting people buy the exact same badges. That's just going to make things more of a hassle for everyone. If they must all be canceled, then just cancel them all and start from scratch. (And I say this as someone who has 4 day + PN for this year.)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on April 15, 2020, 02:56:14 PM
I think it is a forgone conclusion that this year will be cancelled.

They need to refund everyone their full badge costs. There can be a debate if they roll over or not, but if 2021 has even a remote possibility of not happening, they need to probably not roll over and just have a clean slate.

I think they could do some sort of virtual con, specifically for panels. They could charge a nominal fee (or donation if it sounds better) per day for everyone that wants to be part of it. That could help offset costs incurred this year as well as some sort of test run to what it could be in the future. The studios and comic companies will still have things they want to promote, so would probably be down to do it.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on April 15, 2020, 02:57:42 PM
After trying to keep up with all the coronavirus news for 3+ weeks, I got information-overload and started distancing myself from all the worry and stress.

That said, I’m not up to speed on the very latest – are there real doubts now about SDCC 2021, as well?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on April 15, 2020, 03:11:57 PM
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That said, I’m not up to speed on the very latest – are there real doubts now about SDCC 2021, as well?
I think it would just be a question if large events would be allowed until there is a vaccine. If yes, then depending on some timelines out there it could put 2021 in doubt.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 15, 2020, 04:37:35 PM
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After trying to keep up with all the coronavirus news for 3+ weeks, I got information-overload and started distancing myself from all the worry and stress.

That said, I’m not up to speed on the very latest – are there real doubts now about SDCC 2021, as well?

Even back then, I was saying that the question is not whether there will be a SDCC 2020 but whether there will be a SDCC 2021.  SDCC 2020 is done.  I think the next SDCC, at the earliest, will be 2022 if things go well.

That's for a physical comic-con.  Virtual comic-con will happen in 2020 and 2021.

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I think it would just be a question if large events would be allowed until there is a vaccine. If yes, then depending on some timelines out there it could put 2021 in doubt.

The dude running the clinical trials for the NIH developed vaccine candidate says that if everything goes "absolutely well", the earliest that vaccine would be available is fall 2021/early 2022.  Too late for SDCC 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 15, 2020, 04:40:35 PM
Can we agree to no more links to people writing on blogs that don't know anything more than us? 

We are such doom and gloom in this thread.   Let's take this one year at a time!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 15, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
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I think they could do some sort of virtual con, specifically for panels. They could charge a nominal fee (or donation if it sounds better) per day for everyone that wants to be part of it. That could help offset costs incurred this year as well as some sort of test run to what it could be in the future. The studios and comic companies will still have things they want to promote, so would probably be down to do it.

I think it's pretty much a certainty there will be the first virtual comic-con in 2020.  There's no reason not to.  If not free, I don't see it costing much at all.  I don't understand why some people keep thinking that CCI will keep the money they paid for their badges and offer a virtual comic-con instead.  That makes no sense on a variety of levels.

I'm still of the opinion that CCI will refund everyone and have a normal badge sale in 2022.  Doing anything else leads to so many headaches.

I think celebrities will be willing to participate.  There's a reason celebrities post videos on youtube from home right now.  It keeps them relevant.  If they disappear for 2 years, that could mean the end of their careers.  Out of sight, out of mind.  In entertainment you have to constantly promote yourself.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 15, 2020, 04:56:08 PM
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Can we agree to no more links to people writing on blogs that don't know anything more than us? 

We are such doom and gloom in this thread.   Let's take this one year at a time!

I definitely agree with taking it one year at a time. But all I've got is gloom, unfortunately. It's why I'm not in the 'positive' thread.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on April 15, 2020, 05:05:20 PM
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I definitely agree with taking it one year at a time. But all I've got is gloom, unfortunately. It's why I'm not in the 'positive' thread.
+1

I too tend to dwell.  And it’s hard to comprehend missing one con, let alone two.

Not to mention this has been the most difficult year of my life.  The whole Kobe & Gianna thing, which I’m still not over...then all of this uncertainty surrounding coronavirus.

I will say, one immeasurably positive thing to come out of all this is being able to spend so much extra quality time with my wife and son.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 15, 2020, 05:57:16 PM
I agree that there is too much doom and gloom in the world right now to see it here too. Let's be positive! 2021 is far away, and it's very clear that things can change dramatically with this situation in a short amount of time. There is no evidence (only opinion) of what will happen next year. So my opinion is that I want to be positive and plan for the next con I attend... whenever that may be. ;)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: cciveg on April 16, 2020, 07:47:37 AM
The thing is, it is the people who do know more than us, such as medical professionals, who are saying large events could/should be a long way off. It is not an issue of hashing people’s buzz but public safety. Otherwise lockdowns could become a frequent occurrence.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 16, 2020, 08:59:10 AM
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It is not an issue of hashing people’s buzz but public safety.

I think we all know that, but it doesn't make the prospect on an entire year or more without concerts, theater, sporting events, conventions, etc. any less horribly depressing.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on April 16, 2020, 09:08:10 AM
I notice that ACE Parking hasn't started the annual SD Comic-Con Parking Lottery sign-ups yet - which should have started a couple of weeks ago. They may be waiting to see if Comic-con cancels.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: alyssa on April 16, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
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I notice that ACE Parking hasn't started the annual SD Comic-Con Parking Lottery sign-ups yet - which should have started a couple of weeks ago. They may be waiting to see if Comic-con cancels.
good point
it does seem as tho the sdcc is to be canceled. if there was serious hope we'd be seeing hotel & parking lottos.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 16, 2020, 10:05:35 AM
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I notice that ACE Parking hasn't started the annual SD Comic-Con Parking Lottery sign-ups yet - which should have started a couple of weeks ago. They may be waiting to see if Comic-con cancels.

CCI themselves put a hold on Early Bird Hotels so...I expect we'll be hearing something soon.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on April 16, 2020, 10:07:42 AM
Latest nail in the coffin is that San Diego Gay Pride canceled their in person gatherings scheduled for July 17-19.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 16, 2020, 11:35:56 AM
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The thing is, it is the people who do know more than us, such as medical professionals, who are saying large events could/should be a long way off. It is not an issue of hashing people’s buzz but public safety. Otherwise lockdowns could become a frequent occurrence.

It's about setting proper expectations.  Nothing leads to frustration more than setting the wrong ones and then stringing it out just as people think it's over.  That's one way the federal government has completely failed.  First they told us not to worry about it, then it would only be a 2 week thing, then maybe a month.  The truth is that we will be living in some variation of social distancing until there is a vaccine.  So that's at least through 2021.  Settle into the new normal.  It's going to be this way for a while.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 16, 2020, 11:43:22 AM
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It's about setting proper expectations.  Nothing leads to frustration more than setting the wrong ones and then stringing it out just as people think it's over.  That's one way the federal government has completely failed.  First they told us not to worry about it, then it would only be a 2 week thing, then maybe a month.  The truth is that we will be living in some variation of social distancing until there is a vaccine.  So that's at least through 2021.  Settle into the new normal.  It's going to be this way for a while.

while I agree with everything you said, I believe there's no need to try or even force for everyone to agree with this, I used to be like this for a while but it led to nothing except searching for all the bad things happening just to be right... maybe we should stop talking about cancelations and 2021 or 2022, it just leads to more anxiety
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 16, 2020, 12:53:10 PM
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while I agree with everything you said, I believe there's no need to try or even force for everyone to agree with this, I used to be like this for a while but it led to nothing except searching for all the bad things happening just to be right... maybe we should stop talking about cancelations and 2021 or 2022, it just leads to more anxiety

Agreed if you find yourself starting to think about it just go watch this video, it will calm you.  We need the full hour footage.

https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1250492458686771200
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 16, 2020, 01:15:13 PM
Ignorance is bliss.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FBS on April 16, 2020, 01:18:27 PM
It will be cancelled.

Best option all round in the current climate.

Offer to roll badges over to next year or full refund. Simple options. Most will take the roll over. Very little refunding for CCI to do. Small general sale next year for any returned badges.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on April 16, 2020, 01:21:28 PM
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It will be cancelled.

Best option all round in the current climate.

Offer to roll badges over to next year or full refund. Simple options. Most will take the roll over. Very little refunding for CCI to do. Small general sale next year for any returned badges.
I hope you are right. What about Dragon Con and NYCC?


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FBS on April 16, 2020, 01:31:58 PM
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I hope you are right. What about Dragon Con and NYCC?


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Well, they could say they are far enough out to still be hopeful of them going ahead. In truth, who can really tell?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: stl_ben on April 16, 2020, 01:58:36 PM
There won't be large gatherings till there is vaccine. Everything will be cancelled over next 12 months. Only question is how refunds\roll overs will be done.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 16, 2020, 03:01:13 PM
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Well, they could say they are far enough out to still be hopeful of them going ahead. In truth, who can really tell?

A magic eight ball?  I hear they are very accurate  :P
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: realninjaturtle on April 16, 2020, 03:27:46 PM
I just hope SDCC decides soon, this waiting is just another thing to add to the fire. But since the lottos aren't moving forward, I think we know the answer. I just hope SDCC doesn't wait until many have asked for refunds and lost 10%. Then cancel after the cutoff.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: omraged9 on April 16, 2020, 05:05:43 PM
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I hope you are right. What about Dragon Con and NYCC?

I think these will be cancelled too. I had hopes for maybe a postponed Wondercon for the fall or end of this year but that doesn't sound realistic at this point. They're already talking about a potential shortened NFL season this year and the NFL is much bigger than any comic convention.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Mario Wario on April 16, 2020, 05:55:23 PM
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-16/gilead-gains-as-stat-cites-early-covid-19-comments-in-chicago

“Gilead Gains on Report Claiming Coronavirus Drug Effectiveness” — Bloomberg

For more information: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

“Early peek at data on Gilead coronavirus drug suggests patients are responding to treatment” — Stat
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Post by: omraged9 on April 16, 2020, 10:28:54 PM
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-16/gilead-gains-as-stat-cites-early-covid-19-comments-in-chicago

“Gilead Gains on Report Claiming Coronavirus Drug Effectiveness” — Bloomberg

For more information: https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/early-peek-at-data-on-gilead-coronavirus-drug-suggests-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/

“Early peek at data on Gilead coronavirus drug suggests patients are responding to treatment” — Stat

I really hope the drug will work but there's a few things working against the drug. One, the drug is IV only so people can only get it in hospitals. Two, the drug is going to be very expensive so they may save the drug for severe cases only, which may be fine but my impression is that severe cases may have some immune overreaction issues as well so Remdesivir may not help with that part of the disease. Three, apparently the drug is very hard to mass produce. There may be some bad side effects too but that part isn't fully clear yet.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: AzT on April 17, 2020, 09:59:07 AM
https://www.comic-con.org/cci/comic-con-cancellationrefund-policy
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Comic-Con Cancellation/Refund Policy
All individuals who purchased badges for Comic-Con 2020 will have the option to request a refund or transfer their badges to Comic-Con 2021. All 2020 badge holders will receive an email within the next week with instructions on how to request a refund. Thank you for your patience.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on April 17, 2020, 10:08:20 AM
I hope Pro and Paid Guest Badges can be rolled over also - and if the Pro has credentials that expire after this year - give them a one-year extension.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 17, 2020, 10:08:38 AM
Comic-Con Announces Plans in Light of the Covid-19 Pandemic
The Current Situation Requires Exceptional Measures

For the first time in its 50-year history San Diego Comic Convention (SDCC), the organizers behind the annual pop culture celebration, announced today with deep regret that there will be no Comic-Con in 2020. The event will instead return to the San Diego Convention Center from July 22-25, 2021.

Recognizing that countless attendees save and plan for its conventions each year, and how many exhibitors and stakeholders rely upon its events for a major portion of their livelihood, they had hoped to delay this decision in anticipation that COVID-19 concerns might lessen by summer. Continuous monitoring of health advisories and recent statements by the Governor of California have made it clear that it would not be safe to move forward with plans for this year.

Similarly, WonderCon Anaheim, which was to have been held April 10-12, 2020 will return to the Anaheim Convention Center from March 26-28, 2021.

In addition to their conventions, Comic-Con has been planning a major renovation of Balboa Park’s Federal Building to be completed for the grand opening of the Comic-Con Museum in the summer of 2021. However, the COVID-19 situation has had an effect on those efforts as well. As such, they will be rephasing the Museum’s initially planned major renovations, but will not scale back the experience to be offered to visitors upon the Museum’s grand opening. They anticipate releasing building plans illustrating the Museum’s transformation and sharing more information about those efforts in the coming months.

SDCC also announced that individuals who purchased badges for Comic-Con 2020 will have the option to request a refund or transfer their badges to Comic-Con 2021. All 2020 badge holders will receive an email within the next week with instructions on how to request a refund. Exhibitors for Comic-Con 2020 will also have the option to request a refund or transfer their payments to Comic-Con 2021 and will also receive an email within the next week with instructions on how to process their request.

In the next few days onPeak, Comic-Con’s official hotel affiliate, will be canceling all hotel reservations and refunding all deposits made through them. There is no need for anyone who booked through onPeak to take any action, including trying to cancel their reservations online or contacting the company via phone as the process will be handled automatically. Those who booked rooms through onPeak will be notified when refunds have been completed.

“Extraordinary times require extraordinary measures and while we are saddened to take this action, we know it is the right decision,” said David Glanzer, spokesperson for the organization. “We eagerly look forward to the time when we can all meet again and share in the community we all love and enjoy.”
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 17, 2020, 10:10:41 AM
it finally happened... at least we got the roll over, see you guys in 2021
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: daudino on April 17, 2020, 10:11:59 AM
The right decision and allows people to cancel if they need the money.

People might not like it was cancelled, but I think this the best solution and keeps folks happy for next year.

I also hope people cancel if they really need the money. I know folks will be reluctant to give up a ticket if they have one, but they need to be safe and healthy above all else.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on April 17, 2020, 10:16:23 AM
Tearing up, but glad the announcement and plans have been shared. :(
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on April 17, 2020, 10:17:34 AM
We've been expecting this announcement for weeks now, but that doesn't make hearing it today any easier.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: taka on April 17, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
I actually am relieved, the uncertainty was too much even if we all knew the outcome... ready for 2021!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: comicconfamily on April 17, 2020, 10:20:56 AM
I'm glad we finally know. Even though I'm terribly sad, I support their decision.  :(
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hipchick on April 17, 2020, 10:43:47 AM
Finally. :( At least they did the right thing and are offering option to rollover. See you guys in 2021 :(
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: lostninja on April 17, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
I guess I have an extra year to save?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: dville on April 17, 2020, 11:08:38 AM
Well, stay safe everyone!  See you next year!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: realninjaturtle on April 17, 2020, 11:10:30 AM
I am eternally grateful they allow rollovers. See you next year.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: DaveG on April 17, 2020, 11:13:51 AM
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I hope Pro and Paid Guest Badges can be rolled over also - and if the Pro has credentials that expire after this year - give them a one-year extension.

I just renewed my pro status, so I'm technically good for three years, but am sincerely hoping they don't count this year towards anyone's eligibility.  They forego renewals this year and extend everyone's renewal date by 1 year, that way you get an actual 3 years of eligibility, otherwise it will feel to everyone like only 2. 

Besides, if they skip this year, then they won't have to go through the whole eligibility process prior to next year.  I also think it's justified because a lot of people in the industry may currently be unemployed and that could impact their applications.  Giving people a year to "rebound" only seems fair.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: RSilvaConFan on April 17, 2020, 11:23:53 AM
Hopefully, CCI will put on a virtual con that will include a few panels and other types of presentations that we can watch visually - It would be great to see some movie trailers - but that is up to the studios.  Perhaps even some videos of some of the exhibitors and artists discussing their stuff.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 17, 2020, 11:38:01 AM
I found out about this because the museum sent out an email announcing the cancellation of comic-con but saying that the plan is still for the museum to open in 2021.  For locals, the museum may make a good bridge experience until the next comic-con.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus? YES!
Post by: NCDS on April 17, 2020, 11:41:37 AM
I think we can add yes to the end of the subject and close this thread down :)
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: marcia29 on April 17, 2020, 12:11:22 PM
Hmm..someone brought up the question of purchases made through buying groups? The original purchaser could request a refund, right?
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 17, 2020, 12:32:23 PM
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Hmm..someone brought up the question of purchases made through buying groups? The original purchaser could request a refund, right?

Won't know details until the emails go out.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Chris on April 17, 2020, 12:32:27 PM
While I'm disappointed, I'm very glad they are offering rollover.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: NCDS on April 17, 2020, 12:57:18 PM
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While I'm disappointed, I'm very glad they are offering rollover.

Agreed!

Hey, nice friend, you should put yes at the end of this subject  ;D   We finally have an answer  ;D
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 17, 2020, 02:19:50 PM
I’m opting to rollover to 2021.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Miclpea on April 17, 2020, 02:24:11 PM
Anyone get an email from CCI yet?


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: mattytreks on April 17, 2020, 02:25:20 PM
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Anyone get an email from CCI yet?

Next week, young Skywalker.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: susanml10881 on April 17, 2020, 02:28:54 PM
Sad but expected. I’m glad we can rollover.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Dune930 on April 17, 2020, 03:34:29 PM
While I'm very disappointed CC was canceled this year, it's totally understandable and everyone associated with this con is very sad, so we're not alone in feeling frustrated. I'm glad they are giving us the opportunity to roll over our 2020 badge into next year, and I have a sense that they are really going to rock out CC next July to make up for this year's unfortunate cancellation.

Be well all, and be safe! We'll get through this and see each other next year!
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: accelerate on April 17, 2020, 03:55:40 PM
I'm not disappointed per se, as I've long since accepted that SDCC would not happen -- and frankly, even if it was, I would not go. I'm more sad about the businesses that need cons like SDCC to survive. I'm not just talking about exhibitors (I saw a couple of sad tweets today from some exhibitors wondering if they'll still exist by the end of the year), but also local restaurants & hotels. Whether SDCC comes back in 2021 or 2022, I'm sure the landscape -- both within the Exhibit Hall and outside -- will look noticeably different.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: vegasndn on April 17, 2020, 04:24:28 PM
Wife and I were to volunteer this year and so we’ll see you all next year. Another year to save and everyone stay safe.


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Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 17, 2020, 04:27:11 PM
 Glad they made the announcement. See you next year Comic Con
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on April 17, 2020, 05:27:16 PM
See you in 2021. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: hikanteki on April 17, 2020, 05:32:02 PM
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Covid continues to spike in hot and humid countries.  In Guayaquil, Ecuador the morgues are full and bodies are being left on the street.  The head of the task force there says they pick up 30-150 bodies a day.  This while the official numbers are only 60 people dead of covid in Guayaquil.

The low official numbers where it's hot and humid are because they don't have the resources to test.  Covid doesn't seem to be bothered by the tropical weather.  The spread is happening even with an extreme lockdown.  In Ecuador it's being enforced by the military with a complete curfew between 7pm and 5am.  Which is reflected in the Google data.  People in Ecuador are staying home.

https://www.eluniverso.com/2020/04/01/video/7802625/jorge-wated-fallecidos-estos-meses-llegaran-2500-3500-solo-provincia-guayas

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sunlight-destroys-coronavirus-very-quickly-new-government-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-still-last-through-summer-200745675.html

'Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long in high temperatures and high humidity, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true.'
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Zero on April 17, 2020, 06:00:44 PM
Now that CCI has officially announced that Comic-Con 2020 is cancelled, let's put the debate regarding COVID-19's ability to survive high temperatures, sunlight/UV radiation, and humidity a rest, at least in this thread. 

It's time to let that go for now and walk away from that discussion before things get heated again.  There are a lot of intelligent, thoughtful folks on these forums, and there's nothing wrong with some discourse, but it is *time* to let that particular argument go. 

If there are those of you who wish to continue that debate elsewhere and discuss scientific and research articles on COVID-19's molecular stability and sustainability in heat, sunlight/UV radiation, and humidity as well as other environmental factors, I kindly and respectfully encourage you to reach out to your fellow forum members privately in the meantime.

Comic-Con is near and dear to our hearts, and we're all learning to accept that this year's convention isn't going to happen (even if we've been expecting the cancellation, it still stings).  Let's focus on that passion that brings us together for a little while, alright? We would all appreciate everyone's understanding and cooperation. Thank you! ^__^


Meanwhile... the wait for the e-mail about rolling over badge registrations for 2021 begins. (Or, getting refunds, due to this year's circumstances--that's totally okay too.)  Ha ha.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: chocolateshake on April 17, 2020, 06:11:04 PM
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/sunlight-destroys-coronavirus-very-quickly-new-government-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-still-last-through-summer-200745675.html

'Preliminary results from government lab experiments show that the coronavirus does not survive long in high temperatures and high humidity, and is quickly destroyed by sunlight, providing evidence from controlled tests of what scientists believed — but had not yet proved — to be true.'

"In a statement to Yahoo News, the DHS declined to answer questions about the findings and strongly cautioned against drawing any conclusions based on unpublished data."

"the DHS said in a statement. “It would be irresponsible to speculate, draw conclusions, or to inadvertently try to influence the public based upon a document that has not yet been peer-reviewed or subjected to the rigorous scientific validation approach.”

All these tests were done in a lab, not in the real world.  If everything that worked in a test tube worked in the real world, then HIV would have been licked 30 years ago.

"Simulated sunlight “rapidly killed the virus in aerosols,” the briefing says, while without that treatment, “no significant loss of virus was detected in 60 minutes.”

"The tests were performed on viral particles suspended in saliva. They were done indoors in environments meant to mimic various weather conditions."

The key part here is "simulated sunlight".  Simulated sunlight has a UV-C component.  UV-C is the spectrum of UV light that disinfects.  It deactivates viruses.  Real sunlight doesn't have much UV-C in it by the time it hits the ground.  If it did, then this world would be a dead world.  Luckily there is an ozone layer to filter out the UV-C so that it doesn't kill us.

As with the other leaked news yesterday, take the warnings about the leaked news from the relevant organizations seriously.

PS: I was typing as you were typing Zero.  I'll let it drop.
Title: Re: Could CCI cancel SDCC 2020 due to the Coronavirus?
Post by: Zero on April 17, 2020, 06:32:09 PM
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PS: I was typing as you were typing Zero.  I'll let it drop.

Thank you so much, @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586). I sincerely appreciate the understanding and cooperation. ^__^d