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Title: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 16, 2020, 08:46:18 AM
I've started a check in thread with my family, as I'm sure many of u have.
It occurred to me, we might also benefit from a 'check in' and reports from different parts of the country.

please check in if you start to feel bad, have any local stuff to report, like if you go out how is the social distancing working? are people complying?
how is traffic comparatively (it's usually XXX, now it's YYYY for example)

I need to go out today for pet food and milk. I will report on life in the Mission Valley area of San Diego ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on March 16, 2020, 08:47:25 AM
Thanks for starting this thread


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on March 16, 2020, 09:16:21 AM
Colorado Springs seems to be business as usual.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on March 16, 2020, 10:05:40 AM
Insider is telling me probable grounding of domestic air coming as soon as Wednesday.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 16, 2020, 10:15:14 AM
there's also this site for SD
https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/status.html?fbclid=IwAR1XJtnap0TsHmr8RaSHyatEbYR1NVC3CSO-Pu0BEZXjTFuHfdnbTywC4WA

i'm also hearing the National Guard is being called up. I can only assume to enforce the social distancing. I don't know if that's only the Cali guard or nationwide. i assume the new york state is in the same mind set
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 16, 2020, 12:08:29 PM
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i'm also hearing the National Guard is being called up. I can only assume to enforce the social distancing. I don't know if that's only the Cali guard or nationwide. i assume the new york state is in the same mind set

I haven't heard about the National Guard being called up in California.  But outside of Martial Law being declared, the military does not have police powers in the US.  So they can't even do anything like enforce social distancing.  What the military can do in the US is help out.  If this was a flood, they can rescue people.  Up in Washington where the National Guard is already out, they are delivering food.  Even in the widely publicized deployment of the National Guard to the border, the jobs they did were clerical and support to free up civilian border agents.  The military is not allowed to do civilian border enforcement.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 16, 2020, 01:11:54 PM
It really pays to look on the bottom shelves when at the grocery store!!
I was able to find both milk and chunky peanut butter just because I looked on the bottom shelves!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on March 16, 2020, 01:38:53 PM
The Publix grocery store I was in today, has stopped having sanitizer sheets at the door. Instead, they have employees sanitizing the carts from stem to stern. That delayed getting a cart, yet it seemed like it was a good idea.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on March 16, 2020, 01:48:20 PM
Just announced that in all Bay Area counties non essential businesses must shut down until April 7 starting tomorrow at midnight.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 16, 2020, 02:04:41 PM
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The Publix grocery store I was in today, has stopped having sanitizer sheets at the door. Instead, they have employees sanitizing the carts from stem to stern. That delayed getting a cart, yet it seemed like it was a good idea.

That's what my Costco did last week.  They wiped down carts at the door.  The problem I had with that was that I wanted a wipe so that I could go get a cart without touching it.  What's the point of them cleaning a cart if you have to touch a dirty cart to bring it to them.  They wouldn't give me a precious wipe.  So I used a napkin I had as a shield.  She saw that and said I could have just asked for a glove.  Why didn't she offer that when she turned me down for a wipe?

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Just announced that in all Bay Area counties non essential businesses must shut down until April 7 starting tomorrow at midnight.

It's more than that.  It's a shelter in place order.  It's a lockdown.  Just like in China and Italy.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on March 16, 2020, 02:13:43 PM
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Just announced that in all Bay Area counties non essential businesses must shut down until April 7 starting tomorrow at midnight.

Yes, we just heard that. My son has wisdom teeth removal (read, elective medical surgery) scheduled for April 6, so I just got off the phone with the oral surgeon, rescheduling for June.

Everyone in the Bay Area has until midnight to go out and do things that are 'non-essential'.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on March 16, 2020, 02:24:58 PM
That's probably going to be a major cluster that I'm going to pass on.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 16, 2020, 04:08:21 PM
My dad (80 years old in April) has a sore throat, fever, and cough. He is staying home.

I had a cough a few days ago, but it is better today.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on March 16, 2020, 04:24:55 PM
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My dad (80 years old in April) has a sore throat, fever, and cough. He is staying home.

I had a cough a few days ago, but it is better today.

@puppy (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=8132) May swift healing surround you and your dad!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 16, 2020, 04:32:59 PM
I'm in San Diego, and I work part-time as UCSD.  I got word this morning that two UCSD health workers tested positive for Covid-19.  UCSD Health is doing everything they can to track who had been in contact with those two employees. 

My first reaction was "Yikes!"  That's too close to home.  Thankfully, I don't usually have to venture out to the "main" or central campus area (because of where I work at UCSD, ha ha), and all the classes I teach have been cancelled or moved to online-based platforms as of last Friday (yes, the 13th, ha ha).  All I can think about is what a close call that is...

Stay safe, and stay vigilant about hygiene, everyone. ♡
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 16, 2020, 06:16:14 PM
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I'm in San Diego, and I work part-time as UCSD.  I got word this morning that two UCSD health workers tested positive for Covid-19.  UCSD Health is doing everything they can to track who had been in contact with those two employees. 

My first reaction was "Yikes!"  That's too close to home.  Thankfully, I don't usually have to venture out to the "main" or central campus area (because of where I work at UCSD, ha ha), and all the classes I teach have been cancelled or moved to online-based platforms as of last Friday (yes, the 13th, ha ha).  All I can think about is what a close call that is...

Stay safe, and stay vigilant about hygiene, everyone. ♡


Oh Jeez. I'm in SD too and my mum works for UCSD Health (nurse practitioner at an offshoot in north county.) That hits a little too close to home, especially as I'm supposed to be taking classes at UCSD. I'm thinking of deferring for a term because of all of this craziness.

To report in North County SD: despite the rain traffic has been nearly nonexistent. I guess A LOT of people are only going out for necessities and/or are working from home. Every morning the past two weeks I've hit basically no traffic on my (admittedly short) drive to work. My other coworkers have reported similar findings.

On another note, we have yet to get orders, down here, to lockdown so our offices are continuing business per usual. Afaik, the courts up north and LA are canceling everything, not San diego. Trials that are upcoming are being delayed, but current ones aren't. We luckily just booted our trial that was meant to start on the 13th to May. So unless things change, I'm still going into work everyday. We're not well equipped for remote work because of the huge amount of medical docs and CDs we need to access the things for our cases. We're gearing up to prep the office for it though.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 16, 2020, 07:22:39 PM
I have a friend -- actually, a girl I dated briefly -- who works in the UCSD health department. She'a part of the finance team, not a medical professional, but still, I hope she doesn't have to go into the office and wasn't actually close to the actual people who contracted the virus.

I always like to find small little bright sides, no matter how insignificant in the grand scheme of things. And one is, with virtually non-existent traffic in the past seven days in the Bay Area, and with the rain, I'm sure it's helping the air quality.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 16, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
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Oh Jeez. I'm in SD too and my mum works for UCSD Health (nurse practitioner at an offshoot in north county.) That hits a little too close to home, especially as I'm supposed to be taking classes at UCSD. I'm thinking of deferring for a term because of all of this craziness.

I don't think you need to defer, if you're starting in the spring quarter.  UCSD classes will be done online starting from last week until the end of the spring quarter. Even finals for the current winter quarter will be online-based.

That is too close to home for you and your mom as well!  They haven't released information about which department the two health workers are in, but they know that they contracted the virus from somewhere around the San Diego community (and *not* from working with Covid-19 patients at one of the UCSD medical facilities).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on March 16, 2020, 07:44:04 PM
Part of me was hoping that the rain would kill this like it killed the spore plants in the original Outer Limits episode,Specimen Unknown. Alas, is has not.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 16, 2020, 08:39:14 PM
Wow! My friend was eating at a sushi joint in San Diego and the cops came in and closed the place down!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on March 16, 2020, 08:43:27 PM
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Wow! My friend was eating at a sushi joint in San Diego and the cops came in and closed the place down!

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Not feelin' that ...at all. :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 16, 2020, 08:55:08 PM
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I don't think you need to defer, if you're starting in the spring quarter.  UCSD classes will be done online starting from last week until the end of the spring quarter. Even finals for the current winter quarter will be online-based.

That is too close to home for you and your mom as well!  They haven't released information about which department the two health workers are in, but they know that they contracted the virus from somewhere around the San Diego community (and not from working with Covid-19 patients at one of the UCSD medical facilities).

Yeah it's WAY too close for my mum. She used to work in the main Thornton hospital, so hopefully that's NOT where it happened, just because it has SO MUCH transfer potential...

Well, they officially said that no one would be coming in for classes, but they canceled one of mine already and no word on whether the other two will go forward online :/ it's kind of evolving so quickly they have to keep detracting what they said before. Because as of this past weekend they were still going to do on campus labs/small sessions. Now as of today, they canceled that completely.

So I'm still waiting to see if they'll even offer any online courses because as of now they only have in-class one scheduled.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 16, 2020, 09:17:24 PM


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Yeah it's WAY too close for my mum. She used to work in the main Thornton hospital, so hopefully that's NOT where it happened, just because it has SO MUCH transfer potential...

Well, they officially said that no one would be coming in for classes, but they canceled one of mine already and no word on whether the other two will go forward online :/ it's kind of evolving so quickly they have to keep detracting what they said before. Because as of this past weekend they were still going to do on campus labs/small sessions. Now as of today, they canceled that completely.

So I'm still waiting to see if they'll even offer any online courses because as of now they only have in-class one scheduled.

Well, to clarify, the contact didn't happen in a UCSD hospital or on-campus but from unknown whereabouts around the community. Either way, it's not a good sign.

Ah, okay... the higher-ups at UCSD probably still trying to figure it out, and it might take a little more time as all of this is happening so quickly.   I'm sure things will work out soon. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 16, 2020, 11:32:04 PM
With the Shelter-in-Place in effect, I'm starting to wonder about the economy whenever we eventually get out of this crisis. Specifically the small businesses. How many local stores & eateries will have no choice but to go out of business? How many can adapt? I'm thinking about my local comic book store, and my current favorite bubble tea place, and even that donut place where I never see any customers but somehow they've been around for as long as I can remember. Even these three weeks may be too big a hole for them to climb out of, and who knows if the lockdown may extend well beyond April 7th. I don't want to be alarmist -- things may be more or less back to normal in a few months -- but the landscape could be far different as well.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 16, 2020, 11:45:05 PM
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Well, to clarify, the contact didn't happen in a UCSD hospital or on-campus but from unknown whereabouts around the community. Either way, it's not a good sign.

Ah, okay... the higher-ups at UCSD probably still trying to figure it out, and it might take a little more time as all of this is happening so quickly.   I'm sure things will work out soon.

Ahhh interesting, I misunderstood that initially I think. Though, who knows how many people they were then in contact with before they found out :/

Yeah, I'm sure the universities are in absolute chaos trying to get to online teaching. THOUGH, this program has a lot of experience with online courses (some of the courses are only offered online,) so you'd think they'd be faster on the uptake. But I imagine, it depends on the professor/instructor too. sigh I'm going to give it until the end of this week and possibly just refund my classes if I don't get a determinate answer as to whether I can take what I want online. OF COURSE, this means my grad date from the program will be delayed and I may have to deal with other issues as a result. UGH, **** this situation in general.

Edit: Update on SD and parts of the country. I just received an e-mail stating my spinning classes are canceled for the foreseeable future (I think all Cyclebars and Soul Cycles at least in affected areas are closing) and one that just confirmed that all 24 Hour Fitness'es will be closed for the foreseeable future as well.

As of today in SD, bars etc. were ordered to shut down (if they don't offer food) and there's only takeout and delivery from restaurants as they're meant to be as minimal as possible. We still don't have a shelter in place order, but I'm dreading it. My coworker was mentioning that we seem to be  lagging behind much of California in terms of shutting down, especially when we got the chart of Courts that are shifting cases etc.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 17, 2020, 12:43:38 AM
i ventured out today to get pet food (worms for the beardie), last min veg & milk, pick up prescriptions & ship off a couple of packages.
i went to stores in mission valley san diego

the ups store, cvs, ralphs & ll reptile (food for the beardie) were all busy & running low on stock but I was able to get what i needed. Traffic was easy but the parking lots were full.

A couple of items at the grocery store were out of stock, milk and peanut butter. I was able to find those items because i looked on the lower shelves, out of normal eye site. It pays to look around. The butcher & fish counters were shuttered with no proteins on display. There was a decent selection of meat & veg in their respective areas. Oddly there was plenty of sweets and snacks but no beans/rice/pasta etc.

i may venture out again tomorrow to do a return in the outlets in Carlsbad tomorrow.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Jim Watari on March 17, 2020, 06:00:34 AM
Here in LA county (mostly)

Take-out only at restaurants, bars closed, gyms closed , ....

My brother is doing a test for working from home today , he prepped (VPN setup) other employees so they could work from home. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 17, 2020, 10:08:08 AM
Maryland Checking In

Schools - Closed for at least 2 weeks though rumors they might be done for the year
Bars/Eat In Restaurants/Gyms/Events: All closed/cancelled.  Bars/Restaurants can do curb side/delivery/to go orders but that's it.

Over the weekend people were out in the bars full force so not surprised that the Governor had to step in and close things up.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on March 17, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
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Wow! My friend was eating at a sushi joint in San Diego and the cops came in and closed the place down!

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@Miss Kitty (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1617) I wondered if you could share any more info on this situation? This is the first I have heard of police action in this way. :( Thank you.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 17, 2020, 10:41:16 AM
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@Miss Kitty (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1617) I wondered if you could share any more info on this situation? This is the first I have heard of police action in this way. :( Thank you.
the mayor of SD made it law that no restaurants could be open except for togo food.
the police are enforcing that law. the gaslamp is shutdown as are all the other popular areas of town, little italy, pacific beach etc all

modified to add
I broke down & got an inhaler for $75. Yes, I have COPD & am in a danger age group.  ::)  :o   >:(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 17, 2020, 11:12:04 AM
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@Miss Kitty (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1617) I wondered if you could share any more info on this situation? This is the first I have heard of police action in this way. :( Thank you.

They had a news story about this on the local news last night.  They didn't shut the place down.  The police simply went to restaurants and bars to give them a flyer explaining the new rules.  How could the police have even shut them down since the law didn't come into effect until midnight last night?  The restaurant probably freaked out and shut themselves down.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 17, 2020, 01:19:49 PM
I am at the Carlsbad outlets.
Most of the stores are closed. I spoke to one clerk who said they, I assumed she meant the entire mall would be closing tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on March 17, 2020, 02:49:00 PM
State of Emergency now declared for Phoenix and Tucson.  At 8 p.m. tonight, bars will close and restaurants must move to take out, delivery, or drive thru only.  Schools state-wide closed yesterday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on March 17, 2020, 04:39:45 PM
Tales from small town midwest:

I live in a small-ish town in the county above Cincinnati, Ohio. I have mostly been impressed with Ohio's response to the virus. We were the first to shut down schools, bars, and restaurants.

Our main local grocery chain announced reduced hours of 7am-9pm. Yesterday, I went at 7am. It was the most surreal experience of my life. I know we con-goers can queue like no one else, but it is super weird to line up to enter a grocery store. Everyone was incredibly quiet, talking in hushed voices, keeping to themselves. At opening, there was no meat and no bread. Only 2% or skim milk. Some toilet paper but not much (I'm good on TP, though, I always buy the 30-packs and I bought several packs about a month ago when they were on sale). I just couldn't believe the experience. I got what I needed and left as quickly as possible.

I work in local government in a finance office. My office does not deal directly with the public. However, other offices in my building and department do (income tax, utilities, etc). I suggested on Thursday that we should keep the public from entering the building (keep in mind I have absolutely ZERO authority on these matters, I'm at the bottom of the totem pole). My concerns were waved off. On Monday, the people in charge had a meeting based on the fact that other cities and utility companies had chosen to close off from the public. They decided to keep our building open. They literally posted on facebook to assure people that we would remain open. I went home and cried. My coworkers in those office are high risk or have high risk family members. I am still absolutely disgusted that they decided that someone being able to walk in and plop a check down on a counter (when we have mail, online, phone, and drop box options) was more important than the health and safety of their employees. Today, they caved and put us in lockdown. We must still come into work, where there is absolutely NOTHING in place to allow for distancing, and our cleaning service does not sanitize anything, but at least we are sealed off from public access. People are still having meetings and sitting right next to each other! Luckily I don't have to attend meetings.

Within an hour we had 2 complaints (one person wanted to pay cash and get change; one person wanted to hand a check over. Both were told to use the drop box and Cash Guy was told he could come back later with exact change or else any overpayment would be a credit on his account). People can be so incredibly stupid and selfish.

I have done my best to eliminate risk at work. I propped our break room door open and put a sign on it saying to leave it open so we don't have to touch the doorknob. We usually leave it closed because of the public, but that's no longer a concern. I share an office with one other person; we are more than 6 feet away from each other, and I'm making sure to keep as much space between me and other people when I have to speak to them. Using lots of hand sanitizer. Last week Staples almost refused our office supply delivery because I didn't want to electronically sign their tablet. Sorry, Staples, 3 boxes of paper and some binding combs are not worth the risk.

I'm concerned because I am a non-essential employee in an essential industry. I'm scared that even if the government orders a shut down of non essential businesses, I will be forced to come in and work. Never mind that my job literally depends on other places being open - if they are closed, I have no work to do. I will literally be sitting for 40 hours a week doing 10 hours of work, needlessly risking my health for NO REASON. I am lucky in that I live alone and cannot spread it to loved ones. But I am scared of catching it from work and spreading it at the grocery store, or vice versa - I share a printer with a 65 year old woman who is terrified.

I hate that I live in a small town with a mentality of "it can't happen here, everyone is overreacting." Even though we have had 6 cases in our county. People think it's a hoax (super elaborate hoax, Italy and China are super committed to it).

I'm hoping non-essential businesses get shut down, because my sister works in a bookstore (and her husband works in healthcare). I hate for people to lose their jobs. Ohio is allowing displaced workers (AND workers without sick pay!) to claim unemployment benefits immediately, which is amazing. I know I'm lucky to have a very secure job right now, and I'm speaking from a place of privilege, but if it isn't essential, it needs to close. People will not make the safe choice to stay home, so it needs to be made for them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 17, 2020, 05:51:02 PM
San Diego banned evictions today.  It's a great idea.  This is not the time to be throwing people out of their homes.  San Diego announced yesterday that it had secured about 250 hotel rooms for people that are homeless that get infected.

On another note, I've seen more of my neighbors today than I have in years.  People keep jogging around the block.  There's one person who looped the block for a couple of hours.  I would see her run by the house with her dog every few minutes.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 17, 2020, 06:41:08 PM
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On another note, I've seen more of my neighbors today than I have in years.  People keep jogging around the block.  There's one person who looped the block for a couple of hours.  I would see her run by the house with her dog every few minutes.

Usually, I take longer routes for my runs, to avoid the drudgery of running the same paths in loops over and over again, but since the pandemic started, I've felt... I dunno, a tad unsafe being out there. Not about getting the virus (though that is a concern), but about people in general. I honestly don't know how everyone else around me is reacting in this time of crisis, so I want to stay as close to home as possible, which means running loops. The really weird part is, running the same loop 6-7x feels more of a chore than running the same distance / time on a treadmill. I'm not at all sure why that is.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 17, 2020, 06:59:36 PM
I been running at the industrial/office park near my place, running up and down each of the parking areas.  Allows me to stay close, and get some distance in.  I think this whole park will get me to 5 miles.  This was today.
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 18, 2020, 10:56:24 AM
I'm officially sick, we don't think it's covid-19, but we're not sure as of yet. I'm hoping it's just allergies (it's mainly a cough and extremely sore throat.)

Ugh.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 18, 2020, 11:11:39 AM
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I'm officially sick, we don't think it's covid-19, but we're not sure as of yet. I'm hoping it's just allergies (it's mainly a cough and extremely sore throat.)

Ugh.

Oh no!  Is it a dry cough?  Have you had trouble breathing?  A mucosal cough means it's most likely a cold or the regular flu.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 18, 2020, 11:27:34 AM
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Oh no!  Is it a dry cough?  Have you had trouble breathing?  A mucosal cough means it's most likely a cold or the regular flu.

It's mostly mucosal, so I'm probably in luck in that case. I just went to sleep feeling poorly and woke up worse, so I texted work like "Here's what's going on and I can't be in today."

It is at some points dry, but it's mainly confusing. I'm hoping it's just a cold or allergies.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 18, 2020, 03:19:44 PM
A completely first world problem, but I really should’ve gotten a haircut before the Shelter in Place.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 18, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
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It's mostly mucosal, so I'm probably in luck in that case. I just went to sleep feeling poorly and woke up worse, so I texted work like "Here's what's going on and I can't be in today."

It is at some points dry, but it's mainly confusing. I'm hoping it's just a cold or allergies.

Alright.  Keep monitoring it.  (It does sound like a cold or the regular flu, if it has been mostly mucosal.)  You're probably already doing this, but drink plenty of fluids. Get a lot of rest, and keep yourself isolated in the meantime.

If you develop a fever within the next few days and start having shortness of breath following that, call a doctor and ask them what to do.  (If it is Covid-19, they may direct you to go to somewhere for testing.)


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A completely first world problem, but I really should’ve gotten a haircut before the Shelter in Place.

You know, I was thinking how I should have gotten a haircut a few weeks ago as well.  My hair is so long now (down to my waist >__<), but I kept postponing it because I felt lazy, ha ha.  First world problems indeed.  *laughs*
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 18, 2020, 03:34:01 PM
Here's a good article about symptoms and what to expect if you think you have Covid-19:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/12/think-i-have-coronavirus-symptoms-when-to-call-a-doctor-getting-tested-what-to-expect.html
 
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‘I think I have coronavirus’: Symptoms to watch, when to call a doctor, getting tested—and what to expect overall

Published Thu, Mar 12 2020, 3:32 PM EDT

Updated Mon, Mar 16 2020, 6:01 PM EDT

Jessica Migala, Contributor

As the coronavirus outbreak continues to intensify, people are increasingly taking extra precautions in maintaining health and hygiene. Some schools and employers have responded to the global pandemic by shifting to online learning or asking employees to work from home.

With more than 127,000 COVID-19 cases worldwide (as of Thursday, March 12, 2020), according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, one question that still lingers is, “What should I do — and expect — if I think I have COVID-19?”

The short answer is: It depends. Although the disease has led to more than 4,700 deaths, “the most important message is that if you’re young and otherwise relatively healthy, it will most likely be similar to a common cold — or, worst case, the flu,” Dr. Sandra Kesh, deputy medical director at Westmed Medical Group, tells CNBC Make It.

If you feel sick and reasonably believe you have COVID-19, here’s a list of frequently asked questions, including symptoms to watch for, when to see a doctor, and getting tested:

What are the main symptoms of COVID-19?

According to the World Health Organization, common signs include fever, coughing, shortness of breath and breathing difficulties. In more severe cases, the infection can cause pneumonia, severe acute respiratory syndrome, kidney failure and death.
Symptoms range from mild to severe and may occur anywhere from two to 14 days after exposure, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says.
If you feel sick now, it’s possible you might have the common cold or flu (both have similar symptoms to COVID-19), Dr. Gregory Poland, professor of medicine and infectious diseases at the Mayo Clinic, tells CNBC Make It. The only way to tell if you have COVID-19 is to test for it — although there’s more reason to think you do if you’re in the higher risk group, he says.

Those at high risk include people over 60who also have serious long-term health conditions, such as diabetes, heart disease or lung disease, Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press briefing. People who smoke or vape may also have worse outcomes, according to New York City officials.

When should I see a doctor?

The CDC recommends calling your doctor if you develop any of the main symptoms, and have been in close contact with an infected person or recently traveled to an area with widespread of COVID-19.

If you have symptoms of severe illness (i.e., high or very low body temperature, shortness of breath, confusion or feeling you might pass out) and are a high-risk individual, you should seek medical care in an emergency department.

The CDC advises calling ahead before going to a doctor’s office or emergency room. Tell them about your symptoms and recent travels so they can prepare for your arrival. You may be asked to wear a face mask to avoid infecting others.

How do I get tested for COVID-19?

If your doctor thinks a test is appropriate, based on the most recent CDC guidelines, he or she can request a test. However, since the breadth of testing capacity is still unclear, there’s no guarantee you’ll get one right away.
In February, under mounting pressure from state and local officials, the US Food and Drug Administrationexpanded the types of labs that could run COVID-19 tests, allowing private national labs like Quest Diagnostics and LabCorp to start testing. (As of March 10, 2020, at least 78 state and local health labs in the US have testing capacity, according to Association of Public Health Laboratories.)

Testing involves taking samples from the nose and mouth or, for seriously ill patients, the lungs. Timing for test results will vary depending on the lab. For some, like the Stanford Health Care Clinical Virology Laboratory, results can take anywhere from 12 to 24 hours.

What if I test positive?

For the most part, the CDC suggests:

Staying at home (except to get medical care). Restrict activities outside of home. Avoid public places (i.e., work or school) and public transportation (i.e., trains, buses, ride-sharing services and taxis).

Separating yourself from others in your home. If you live with other people, stay in a separate room and, if possible, use a separate bathroom.

Wearing a face mask.If you can’t wear a face mask (i.e., because it causes trouble breathing), then those who live with you should wear one when they’re in the same room as you.

Washing your hands often. Do this with soap and water for at least 20 seconds. If you don’t have access to soap and water, clean your hands with an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol.

When can I go back to work?

If you’re sick, the CDC advises staying home from work until at least 24 hours after your fever — 100 degrees Fahrenheit (37.8 degrees Celsius) or greater — is gone.
Your employer may have a pandemic preparedness plan in place, so make sure you speak with your supervisor about your options. (For more information, here’s the CDC’s Interim Guidance for Businesses and Employers.)

Is there a treatment or vaccine available for COVID-19?

There are no antiviral medications that treat COVID-19 at this time, according to the CDC. However, just like any viral infection, Dr. Kesh says taking certain measures can help:

Getting plenty of rest.

Staying well hydrated.

Taking medication (i.e., acetaminophen, ibuprofen or naproxen) to reduce fever and ease aches and pains. (Make sure you follow directions and keep track of all the ingredients and the doses.)

“Based on what we know so far, [for most people] it will probably be like when you’re laid up in bed with the flu,” says Dr. Kesh. “You’ll start to feel sick, symptoms get worse until they peak, and then they gradually go away.”

Jessica Migala is a Chicago-based health writer for HealthDay. She has written for O, The Oprah Magazine, Real Simple, Health, Family Circle, Woman’s Day and others. She is a graduate of the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 18, 2020, 03:39:50 PM
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A completely first world problem, but I really should’ve gotten a haircut before the Shelter in Place.

The flip side: I had my hair cut and colored just before everything shut down, and now I'm regretting spending the money on it since no one will see it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 19, 2020, 08:46:14 AM
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The flip side: I had my hair cut and colored just before everything shut down, and now I'm regretting spending the money on it since no one will see it.

Plus side is you helped someone be able to pay a bill or two.

I had my hair colored yesterday because the shop is closing down for at least 2 weeks. I made sure to tip well since my girl since who knows when she'll be back to work.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 19, 2020, 12:50:42 PM
Well, my work just announced we're going full remote as of Monday. I am not looking forward to it. I've never wanted to work from home. :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 19, 2020, 02:08:27 PM
San Diego feels mostly closed in my neck of the woods (not the bay, not north country, kinda central).  Lines at the local Trader Joes since they're only letting 10 in at a time, while Ralph's is business-as-usual (only with limits on bread, dairy, paper products, etc).  HUGE line in McDonald's drive thru.  My school shut-down Monday for at least three weeks, though I suspect it will be at least five (including one week for Spring Break).  In CA we're legally NOT allowed to hold kids accountable for any work assigned over the break (PSA for parents: don't let your kids sweat the homework assignment!!), so I'm posting music exercises, and short fun trios and encouraging students to use the Acapella app to record themselves playing all three parts.  I'll be recording myself doing the same to helpfully inspire/amuse/entertain the students.

I know one friend up in LA who has COVD-19, or at least he almost certainly does since he still hasn't gotten tested.  He tested false for all other flus & viruses and has all the symptoms of COVID-19.  He was updating me up until Tuesday, and he was afraid he might have to go to the hospital.  The symptoms are absolutely horrible: he's a little younger than me (either late 30's/maybe 40-41), in relatively good health (not some crazy athlete-type but he does regular exercise and eats OK), doesn't smoke or have asthma or other respiratory issues.  And this has hit him HARD, and horribly.  It's kinda scared me to not want to leave my house, so I'm settling in and waiting everything out.
On the plus side, don't have to care how I look!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 19, 2020, 03:37:46 PM
We (at Microsoft's MTC) are entirely remote now.  All of our customer engagements we run are done virtually.  But we (architects) can go into the office if we feel it's ok...there's only 5 of us.  So I was in there today using our smart Surface Hubs for  a meeting I was running.  I work from home tomorrow but go back into the office for 2 days next week.  Because we've a small team we don't interact w/any others there.
Title: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on March 19, 2020, 04:40:06 PM
I’m an administrator at a university. We are completely shut down for the rest of the academic year. Classes are happening on-line, but today all staff were ordered to work from home until the end of May at a minimum. Graduation has been cancelled. And we’re in fly over country (Minnesota). I can’t imagine what it’s like for you folks on the coasts. I’m 63, and my wife is 59. Neither of us plan to leave the house other than to walk (no interaction with people) for a minimum of two weeks, probably much longer. My mother and father are in their 80’s. I do not plan to see them for a very long time. I had badges, airfare and hotel (and Disney) for WonderCon. I live for SDCC. I’ll be very disappointed if it’s cancelled. But I just don’t see how it’s going to be able to go on. If I’m overreacting, I’d be very eager to be talked down off the ledge. How does that Tinkerbell thing work again?


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 19, 2020, 08:50:19 PM
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I’m an administrator at a university. We are completely shut down for the rest of the academic year. Classes are happening on-line, but today all staff were ordered to work from home until the end of May at a minimum. Graduation has been cancelled. And we’re in fly over country (Minnesota). I can’t imagine what it’s like for you folks on the coasts. I’m 63, and my wife is 59. Neither of us plan to leave the house other than to walk (no interaction with people) for a minimum of two weeks, probably much longer. My mother and father are in their 80’s. I do not plan to see them for a very long time. I had badges, airfare and hotel (and Disney) for WonderCon. I live for SDCC. I’ll be very disappointed if it’s cancelled. But I just don’t see how it’s going to be able to go on. If I’m overreacting, I’d be very eager to be talked down off the ledge. How does that Tinkerbell thing work again?


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i can't talk u off the ledge, i need talking too also. The Cali gov just ordered everyone to stay at home, saying if the projections were correct we'd have a shortfall of 10,000 hospital beds in about 2+ weeks. There plans in negotiation to use college dorms & hotels as hospitals.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 19, 2020, 09:35:06 PM
Random thought, I wonder if they will extend the date where you need to have a Real ID (or passport) to go through TSA? It's currently set for October 1, 2020.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 19, 2020, 11:13:26 PM
On mobile, so apologies for lack of links, grammar issues, etc.

My friend just told me and linked me that the governor just made a stay at home order, other than essential fields in California.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: AzT on March 19, 2020, 11:24:22 PM
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sdcc.2020 🙏🏽 Stay safe. Hope the best for you. "Game Of Thrones" Alum Indira Varma Tests Positive For Coronavirus! @indypindy9 Actress Indira Varma has become the second Game of Thrones star to test positive for COVID-19.

The 46-year-old, who played Ellaria Sand on the show, has confirmed she’s battling the virus in an Instagram post on Wednesday. - “I’m in bed with it and it’s not nice,” she wrote. “Stay safe and healthy and be kind to your fellow people.” Indira was starring in The Seagull in London’s West End, alongside fellow Game of Thrones star Emilia Clarke, until the play was shut down due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Norwegian actor Kristofer Hivju, who played Tormund Giantsbane on the hit fantasy series, announced he had tested positive for COVID-19 via Instagram on Monday, revealing he has quarantined himself at home.

The two castmates join Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson, Idris Elba, and Olga Kurylenko among the celebrities who have tested positive for the killer virus. 📸: @HBO / @GameOfThrones

https://www.instagram.com/p/B98KIIygEin/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on March 20, 2020, 03:54:40 PM
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Random thought, I wonder if they will extend the date where you need to have a Real ID (or passport) to go through TSA? It's currently set for October 1, 2020.

Several states have requested the extension, including Ohio, which has closed all but 5 BMV offices (and those are ONLY open for CDLs so we can get truck drivers on the road). I imagine it will happen.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on March 20, 2020, 06:40:59 PM
Beware...returns at some stores may be suspended. I got this in an email from Publix:

Refunds

We encourage you to purchase only what you need—and not to stockpile. At this time, we are suspending refunds on products purchased during this declared emergency. We will of course continue to honor our Publix Guarantee for any products that do not meet our quality standards
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 20, 2020, 07:15:25 PM
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Beware...returns at some stores may be suspended. I got this in an email from Publix:

Refunds

We encourage you to purchase only what you need—and not to stockpile. At this time, we are suspending refunds on products purchased during this declared emergency. We will of course continue to honor our Publix Guarantee for any products that do not meet our quality standards
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A lot of supermarkets already have that policy in place, from what I've seen in San Diego.  Many of them have signs on the entrances that purchases are final sale.

I suspect that more supermarkets and grocery stores will be following the same policy, if they haven't incorporated it already.

So far, Target and Costco (at least as of today, March 20th) accept returned merchandise and items, with the exception of toilet paper, tissue, baby wipes, paper towels, disinfecting wipes and sprays, and the like.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 20, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
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A lot of supermarkets already have that policy in place, from what I've seen in San Diego.  Many of them have signs on the entrances that purchases are final sale.

I suspect that more supermarkets and grocery stores will be following the same policy, if they haven't incorporated it already.

So far, Target and Costco (at least as of today, March 20th) accept returned merchandise and items, with the exception of toilet paper, tissue, baby wipes, paper towels, disinfecting wipes and sprays, and the like.

I've seen the same in SD, it's just that Costco, Target, etc. sell a LOT more of things than others you'd want to stockpile so it'd be a bit ridiculous if they weren't taking refunds/exchanges for non-stockpile items.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: VeggieKitten on March 20, 2020, 08:50:18 PM
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A completely first world problem, but I really should’ve gotten a haircut before the Shelter in Place.
There are some YouTube videos on how to cut your own hair.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 20, 2020, 09:01:32 PM
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I've seen the same in SD, it's just that Costco, Target, etc. sell a LOT more of things than others you'd want to stockpile so it'd be a bit ridiculous if they weren't taking refunds/exchanges for non-stockpile items.
Yep. Pretty much!  You hit the nail on the head. XD

I actually went to return something to Costco today, and there was a line of at least 100 people waiting to go inside! That's a bit ridiculous. The supermarkets and grocery stores seemed to be in the same situation, at least from what I've observed.  I know they're trying to curtail people from rushing en masse and frantically purchasing items as well as help people practice social distancing, but it's very odd to see these lines!  It's almost very reminiscent of the Comic-Con kind of lines... like waiting to get into Hall H or Ballroom 20. ^__^;;;
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 20, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
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I’m an administrator at a university. We are completely shut down for the rest of the academic year. Classes are happening on-line, but today all staff were ordered to work from home until the end of May at a minimum. Graduation has been cancelled. And we’re in fly over country (Minnesota). I can’t imagine what it’s like for you folks on the coasts. I’m 63, and my wife is 59. Neither of us plan to leave the house other than to walk (no interaction with people) for a minimum of two weeks, probably much longer. My mother and father are in their 80’s. I do not plan to see them for a very long time. I had badges, airfare and hotel (and Disney) for WonderCon. I live for SDCC. I’ll be very disappointed if it’s cancelled. But I just don’t see how it’s going to be able to go on. If I’m overreacting, I’d be very eager to be talked down off the ledge. How does that Tinkerbell thing work again?

Heh, just try to remember that we'll have SDCC next year. The studios holding back on their movies and TV shows will have tons to promote next year. It'll be the best SDCC ever :)

As for Wondercon, I'm actually waiting for the airlines to hopefully cancel my flights so I can get a refund. I know that they're supposed to give us credits but I'm afraid they won't be usable for the cons next year.

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Yep. Pretty much!  You hit the nail on the head. XD

I actually went to return something to Costco today, and there was a line of at least 100 people waiting to go inside! That's a bit ridiculous. The supermarkets and grocery stores seemed to be in the same situation, at least from what I've observed.  I know they're trying to curtail people from rushing en masse and frantically purchasing items as well as help people practice social distancing, but it's very odd to see these lines!  It's almost very reminiscent of the Comic-Con kind of lines... like waiting to get into Hall H or Ballroom 20. ^__^;;;

Oh my god I guess that's one way to pretend we're at SDCC this year, going to Costco or grocery lines and pretending we're going to see a cool panel inside  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 20, 2020, 10:37:17 PM
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Heh, just try to remember that we'll have SDCC next year. The studios holding back on their movies and TV shows will have tons to promote next year. It'll be the best SDCC ever :)

As for Wondercon, I'm actually waiting for the airlines to hopefully cancel my flights so I can get a refund. I know that they're supposed to give us credits but I'm afraid they won't be usable for the cons next year.

Oh my god I guess that's one way to pretend we're at SDCC this year, going to Costco or grocery lines and pretending we're going to see a cool panel inside 

You know... you could be right about 2021 turning out to be a really great Comic-Con because of the content the studios would bring in!  It could potentially be quite awesome. So much to promote indeed!  There's that silver lining.  XD

Right, right?!  Instead of a cool panel, it would be... the anticipation of buying milk, eggs, toilet paper, or chunky peanut butter?!  XD
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 21, 2020, 01:40:09 AM
I went to a Sprouts in Santee on Friday. No line, plenty of carts and mostly full shelves. I wasn't able to get the flavor of soda/tonic/pop i wanted but other flavors were in stock.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: ALF on March 21, 2020, 07:59:17 AM
Went to a Chinese market yesterday. Everything was well stock. No one was there. Guess everyone was scared off by the “Chinese flu”
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 21, 2020, 02:18:52 PM
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Went to a Chinese market yesterday. Everything was well stock. No one was there. Guess everyone was scared off by the “Chinese flu”

Based on what you said, I went to a Chinese marked. It was the big 99 Ranch. Shelves were not completely bare, but they were not fully stocked and looked a little picked over. Prepackaged chicken (two breasts) were limited to 1 package per person. They had a meat counter but it was low on meat. Lots of live seafood, though. They did not have toilet paper because they don't normally sell paper goods at that store.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 21, 2020, 04:04:45 PM
Yesterday I ventured out of the house for the first time in 10 days.  I was not surprised by what I found.  Here in California, isn't there supposed to a lockdown?  I didn't see any evidence of it.  There was the same amount of traffic.  The parking lots at the stores were all full.  Kids were playing together outside.  Gardners were gardening.  Construction workers were constructing.  The only signs I saw of the outbreak were at a vet I passed and the guy begging in the street.  The vet was practicing what the email I got from my vet said.  In car appointments only.  They come out to you, you don't go into them.  When I was stopped at the light a tech was standing 6 feet away from someone wearing a mask and goggles asking her questions.  The guy standing at the island in the middle of the street asking for money had those handheld helper sticks so he could take money without getting closer than 3 feet.

I had to go to the Costco pharmacy to refill meds.  That's the only reason I left the house.  I was covered head to toe.  Mask and goggles.  I only saw two people when I left that had masks on.  No one else felt the need.  The entrance looked a lot like a Walking Dead Escape set all barred off with wooden pallets.  There was a long line of people there only separated by shopping carts.  They should be further apart.  I skipped the line since I was only going to the pharmacy.  A Costco employee escorted me there.  I got the meds, left and went back home.  I stripped off everything in the garage which went right into the washing machine and went in and took a shower.

I'm sadden but not surprised by the lack of a lockdown here during a lockdown.  It's exactly what happened in Italy.  It didn't work out there.  It's not going to end well here.  The thing the Chinese team said when they got to Italy was that their lockdown wasn't working.  Too many people were still moving about.  So now Italy is moving in the army to enforce the lockdown.

People really need to stay home.  Take the lockdown seriously.  It's not a vacation.

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A lot of supermarkets already have that policy in place, from what I've seen in San Diego.  Many of them have signs on the entrances that purchases are final sale.

I suspect that more supermarkets and grocery stores will be following the same policy, if they haven't incorporated it already.

So far, Target and Costco (at least as of today, March 20th) accept returned merchandise and items, with the exception of toilet paper, tissue, baby wipes, paper towels, disinfecting wipes and sprays, and the like.

The no return policy is because they are concern of getting infected goods back.  That's why I quarantined everything I bought for a few days before using it.  When I get something delivered I don't touch it for a few days.  I don't even touch the mail for a few days.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 21, 2020, 05:00:46 PM
Agreed. I went out for a motorcycle ride yesterday. I kept my helmet on the entire time. I did do a quick stop at Sprouts for veg.
It wasn't crowded so there was some
social distancing.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 21, 2020, 06:17:49 PM
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Yesterday I ventured out of the house for the first time in 10 days.  I was not surprised by what I found.  Here in California, isn't there supposed to a lockdown?  I didn't see any evidence of it.  There was the same amount of traffic.  The parking lots at the stores were all full.  Kids were playing together outside.  Gardners were gardening.  Construction workers were constructing.  The only signs I saw of the outbreak were at a vet I passed and the guy begging in the street.  The vet was practicing what the email I got from my vet said.  In car appointments only.  They come out to you, you don't go into them.  When I was stopped at the light a tech was standing 6 feet away from someone wearing a mask and goggles asking her questions.  The guy standing at the island in the middle of the street asking for money had those handheld helper sticks so he could take money without getting closer than 3 feet.

I had to go to the Costco pharmacy to refill meds.  That's the only reason I left the house.  I was covered head to toe.  Mask and goggles.  I only saw two people when I left that had masks on.  No one else felt the need.  The entrance looked a lot like a Walking Dead Escape set all barred off with wooden pallets.  There was a long line of people there only separated by shopping carts.  They should be further apart.  I skipped the line since I was only going to the pharmacy.  A Costco employee escorted me there.  I got the meds, left and went back home.  I stripped off everything in the garage which went right into the washing machine and went in and took a shower.

I'm sadden but not surprised by the lack of a lockdown here during a lockdown.  It's exactly what happened in Italy.  It didn't work out there.  It's not going to end well here.  The thing the Chinese team said when they got to Italy was that their lockdown wasn't working.  Too many people were still moving about.  So now Italy is moving in the army to enforce the lockdown.

People really need to stay home.  Take the lockdown seriously.  It's not a vacation.

The no return policy is because they are concern of getting infected goods back.  That's why I quarantined everything I bought for a few days before using it.  When I get something delivered I don't touch it for a few days.  I don't even touch the mail for a few days.

Wow that's not good. Can I ask you what part of CA do you live in? I live in the East Bay Area and from the little I've seen here, it seems like most people are generally cautious and trying to stay a few feet from others. We definitely have much less traffic than we normally do.

I went grocery shopping today and was pleasantly surprised to find the stores with a minimal crowd. The Sprouts I had had plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables left and even plenty of meat products stocked with great shrimp prices. Majority of their frozen items were gone and no eggs. Across the street is Grocery Outlet and there, they had plenty of eggs left (one carton per family) and cheap 1 gallon water bottles and and sealed/packaged fish but a lot of their meat products were sold out. They also had a good amount of fresh vegetables and fruits available. So I'm finding that each store will vary in what they fully stock. It wasn't too hard to avoid people for the most part when going through the aisles and the lines were not too long.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 21, 2020, 06:36:19 PM
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Wow that's not good. Can I ask you what part of CA do you live in? I live in the East Bay Area and from the little I've seen here, it seems like most people are generally cautious and trying to stay a few feet from others. We definitely have much less traffic than we normally do.

I went grocery shopping today and was pleasantly surprised to find the stores with a minimal crowd. The Sprouts I had had plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables left and even plenty of meat products stocked with great shrimp prices. Majority of their frozen items were gone and no eggs. Across the street is Grocery Outlet and there, they had plenty of eggs left (one carton per family) and cheap 1 gallon water bottles and and sealed/packaged fish but a lot of their meat products were sold out. They also had a good amount of fresh vegetables and fruits available. So I'm finding that each store will vary in what they fully stock. It wasn't too hard to avoid people for the most part when going through the aisles and the lines were not too long.

I can attest to driving the freeways from San Diego to the Inland Empire yesterday during rush hour traffic and didn't hit a spot of congestion. The traffic was light up the 5 and 91, when it normally would have been bumper-to-bumper. People are staying inside down here.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 21, 2020, 07:13:53 PM
Same here. Los Angeles is empty. I had to go to my office to pick up something and the freeways are totally clear. That never happens.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 21, 2020, 07:39:51 PM
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Wow that's not good. Can I ask you what part of CA do you live in? I live in the East Bay Area and from the little I've seen here, it seems like most people are generally cautious and trying to stay a few feet from others. We definitely have much less traffic than we normally do.

I'm in San Diego.

Look at this live cam in Hollywood.  It's nighttime and there are still quite a few cars and people about.  That's with everything closed.  During the lockout in China on a similar street in the middle of the day there would be very few people on the street and you would have to wait minutes to see a single car drive by.

https://www.earthcam.com/usa/california/losangeles/hollywoodblvd/?cam=hollywoodblvd
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 21, 2020, 07:44:12 PM
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I'm in San Diego.

Look at this live cam in Hollywood.  It's nighttime and there are still quite a few cars and people about.  That's with everything closed.  During the lockout in China on a similar street there would be very few people on the street and you would have to wait minutes to see a single car drive by.

https://www.earthcam.com/usa/california/losangeles/hollywoodblvd/?cam=hollywoodblvd

Quite a few businesses are considered essential, and quite a few people have essential business. People are allowed to exercise outside by themselves. I still go grocery shopping and to the pharmacy, so traffic should not be zero under the current policy. However, I've seen many closed shops and the traffic is very light. Outside, it is quiet. People are staying inside.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 21, 2020, 08:05:25 PM
also, I'm sure i'm not the only one who needs to get out of the house on occasion. I find a drive to be very very therapeutic. Way cheaper & much healthier then drinking adult bev's. If I stop anywhere it's just to look at the scenery, not to break quarantine.
 
I posit, a bunch of the folks driving might also be folks who just need to see something different and not breaking quarantine. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on March 21, 2020, 08:26:49 PM
People can leave their house - someone driving around in a car isn't spreading the virus.

Ohio still hasn't issued a non-essential shutdown, and I'm still not sure what it will mean for me even if we do. What I do know is the City government I work for is still planning on having a council meeting Monday, where they will be passing an ordinance that will give 5% raises to management, AKA the highest paid employees, and the ones who will almost certainly be allowed to work from home. Not the hourly employees who will continue to have to work in an unsafe environment. Not the firefighters or the police officers who are being exposed to the virus constantly - all of our unions have been fighting since January to get minimal raises and to keep our healthcare deductible from being raised to $13,500 (yes, THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS).

Not to mention, millions of people lost their jobs this week, including many that will probably not have a job to go back to after this. Thousands of people in our own community have been affected, which, guess what, means they won't be paying much in the way of City income tax, which is our main source of revenue. And they think a 5% raise is appropriate right now? 5% is insane even without the threat of economic collapse - typically 2.5-3% is the norm.

I just cannot believe how they are treating everything as business as usual. Sure, they shut the public out of the buildings, and they are bleaching the doorknobs nightly - cool, so the first person to touch it first thing in the morning won't catch anything. That's the extent of what they have done. I'm still handling documents that have been touched by 10 different people, because we operate in 1998 and EVERYTHING is hard copies, which is why I won't be allowed to work from home. People still walk into my office to ask me for stuff, instead of calling or emailing me. We are all still sharing a tiny break room (I wipe down the table myself, but Lord only knows how many people have touched the fridge door or the microwave). Our bathroom actually has TWO doors you have to go through to get in/out. Ohio's governor has stated that employers should be taking temperatures before people enter the building - we "do not have the capacity to comply with this request." We've already had one member of our department get sent home indefinitely because her daughter, who works at a grocery store, had flu like symptoms. So if she has it, then my coworker might have been carrying it, which means we've all been exposed. We've been told we can take any combo of leave we want if necessary, "subject to minimum staffing requirements." Which means even if we all get exposed, we can't all quarantine, because of vague reasons.

Do you know what I did Friday? I called a few businesses and asked for copies of invoices. I sent out bills for sidewalk repairs. And I filed about 200 pieces of paper in alphabetical order. I also received cancellation requests for about 10 different upcoming travel authorizations - this means I printed off emails, stapled them to the back of a packet of papers that made up the original travel request, and filed them in a drawer.

Sure. Essential. If I'm still working during a shelter-in-place order, that means my employer thinks all of the above is worth more than my life. I can say without a doubt that the government will still function and public safety will remain intact if those tasks are not completed.

Sorry for the rant. I just feel so unsafe, and I'm terrified of accidentally passing this on to someone who will suffer greatly, and I feel like my coworkers and I are being treated as expendable while being told we are essential, if that makes sense. I have never had anxiety issues but I feel like I am moments away from a panic attack at any given moment. I feel like the entire country is just holdings its breath and we are all suffocating. And there is no end in sight. A month ago I was planning a trip to Europe. Now I'm mapping out trips to the grocery store to spend as little time in there as possible.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on March 21, 2020, 11:36:24 PM
I’m watching Velocipastor!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2020, 01:06:25 AM
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Quite a few businesses are considered essential, and quite a few people have essential business. People are allowed to exercise outside by themselves. I still go grocery shopping and to the pharmacy, so traffic should not be zero under the current policy. However, I've seen many closed shops and the traffic is very light. Outside, it is quiet. People are staying inside.

Quite a few businesses that aren't essential are still open.  My neighbor across the street has taken this time to redo his front yard.  He's been bringing in supplies every day.  Today was a load of sod.  Is sod essential during this lockdown?

Those are the same rules they had in Italy.  You could walk your dog.  You could go out to exercise.  Look at their numbers.  It's been a disaster.  The Chinese team dispatched to Italy to help out said this.

"In Lombardy "in the region most affected" by Coronavirus "unfortunately the policies are not yet as tight as according to our standards. People don't wear masks, there are still too many people around, public transport is still active and you eat too much in restaurants and hotels ». The vice president of the Chinese Red Cross, Sun Shuopeng, said this on Thursday morning"

According to earlier reports from the police, 40% of the people in Lombardy ignored the lockdown.  In Response they are now sending in the military to enforce the lockdown.

It's literally the middle of the night, on that Hollywood cam people are still strolling down the street.  Cars are still on the road.

We do not want to follow down the road that Italy took.  Stay home.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 22, 2020, 03:11:50 AM
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The no return policy is because they are concern of getting infected goods back.  That's why I quarantined everything I bought for a few days before using it.  When I get something delivered I don't touch it for a few days.  I don't even touch the mail for a few days.

I know. ^__~The molecular biologist in me is very aware of the fact that retailers are concerned with having infected goods. I was just pointing it out in the thread a quick status report of certain policies in place for many stores and supermarkets, in the event that this kind of thing becomes more common... which is probably safer in the long run.


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Quite a few businesses are considered essential, and quite a few people have essential business. People are allowed to exercise outside by themselves. I still go grocery shopping and to the pharmacy, so traffic should not be zero under the current policy. However, I've seen many closed shops and the traffic is very light. Outside, it is quiet. People are staying inside.

I would have to agree, at least in the areas I live and frequent in San Diego.  I can't say the same for elsewhere in the county, but it's quiet and empty where I am for the most part.  People are staying inside, save the ones going out for groceries.  It seems like the rush of panic shopping is starting to wind down in some aspects as well (it seems like people have enough items for a while now *face palms at the hoarding*), so there doesn't seem to be a lot of people out and about as before, especially in the last few days.   After the governor announced California to be on lockdown protocols, there were many more instances of panic shopping that day though... The line to get inside Costco, for one thing.


Here's a tidbit for the thread:

I have some friends living and working in South Korea as well as former Korean students who've returned home after their study abroad programs at UCSD (but still keep in touch with me), and what is interesting is that they've told me that people didn't go panic shopping like in the U.S., with the primary exception of face masks.  Even then, when there was a shortage for face masks, the government stepped in and gave orders for retailers to ration sales, so now there isn't much of a problem as before and people can have access to them.

My former students also keep asking me about the California lockdown (which made big international news in South Korea apparently) and the toilet paper hoarding and empty store shelves in the States... XD
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 22, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
A friend in Orange County (that's where Disneyland and Wondercon are located) and said they took the train down to San Diego and wants me to come meet them and hang out!! I'm still in shock.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 22, 2020, 12:30:44 PM
Curious....how many of you are still eating out? (ie fast food, take out, etc)

I for one am not eating out. Though with Onion #2 working at In-n-Out, it is tempting.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 22, 2020, 12:59:17 PM
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Curious....how many of you are still eating out? (ie fast food, take out, etc)

I for one am not eating out. Though with Onion #2 working at In-n-Out, it is tempting.

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We do take out. I don't want those restaurants to go out of business.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 22, 2020, 01:09:35 PM
I ordered pizza for take out yesterday. I touched as little as the cardboard box as possible, and even wiping them down with damp cloth (though I doubt that in itself helped since you need something like soap to eliminate any viruses). After I opened the box, I washed my hands again before taking pizza out. I also wiped down the table the box touched.

Overly cautious? Maybe. But I figure it doesn’t cost me anything to be this paranoid in these few weeks or months.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2020, 01:11:37 PM
I don't.  It's too much of a risk.  You have no idea if the people making the food are sick.  They might not even know if they are sick.  It's just not the food.  It's the container, it's the utensil, it's the bag, it's the receipt, etc, etc.  All of that can have microdroplets on it.

I would consider take out if I could see that the people working at the restaurant wore masks and gloves though.

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I ordered pizza for take out yesterday. I touched as little as the cardboard box as possible, and even wiping them down with damp cloth (though I doubt that in itself helped since you need something like soap to eliminate any viruses). After I opened the box, I washed my hands again before taking pizza out. I also wiped down the table the box touched.

It's not soap that eliminates viruses.  It's water washing it away.  Handwashing is a mechanical process.  The role of soap is to keep it from falling back down on your skin once it's been dislodged.  It gets between your skin and the dirt.  Thus making it possible to be washed away by water.  Rinsing under running water is the most important part of handwashing.  From watching other people wash their hands, it's the part many people skimp on.  It's the part I spend the most time on.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 22, 2020, 01:23:08 PM
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Curious....how many of you are still eating out? (ie fast food, take out, etc)

I for one am not eating out. Though with Onion #2 working at In-n-Out, it is tempting.

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From local places, yes. I want to help keep them in business.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on March 22, 2020, 01:45:48 PM
Buy gift cards from your favorite local businesses. It gives them revenue to help them get by now without putting you or them at risk.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on March 22, 2020, 02:47:29 PM
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Buy gift cards from your favorite local businesses. It gives them revenue to help them get by now without putting you or them at risk.

I'm really sorry for being so picky, but as an accountant, I have to correct this. You are giving them CASH, not revenue. It is actually unearned revenue (a liability) until you use the gift card, at which point it becomes revenue for them.

But you are helping with their cash flow, which is what may help them get through these trying economic times.

Oh, and we had Five Guys today. The bag came with a little note on it, from the owner, pointing out that this franchise is locally owned and that he appreciated the business.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on March 22, 2020, 02:52:08 PM
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I'm really sorry for being so picky, but as an accountant, I have to correct this. You are giving them CASH, not revenue. It is actually unearned revenue (a liability) until you use the gift card, at which point it becomes revenue for them.

But you are helping with their cash flow, which is what may help them get through these trying economic times.

Oh, and we had Five Guys today. The bag came with a little note on it, from the owner, pointing out that this franchise is locally owned and that he appreciated the business.
I stand corrected. Whatever the nomenclature, if it helps local businesses make it past this time, provide them some cash flow.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 22, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
I ordered pizza from a local shop and gave them a really healthy tip.  This was later in the afternoon.  I had stated that their take-out business was probably slammed, but he has said that I was just deliver #3 that day.  That's nuts.  Try and do something for your local establishments if you can.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: VeggieKitten on March 22, 2020, 05:10:26 PM
I ordered Mexican food from a vegan restaurant, and they had some pantry items on their menu, including toilet paper, so I got a few rolls—just in time! I tipped the driver 20%.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: mark on March 22, 2020, 05:42:11 PM
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I ordered Mexican food from a vegan restaurant, and they had some pantry items on their menu, including toilet paper, so I got a few rolls—just in time! I tipped the driver 20%.

That's pretty clever :)

We live in the SF bay area, but in a small coastal town that's a bit isolated. People seem to be taking this seriously for the most part. I finally had to go out for groceries today The shopping situation is kind of weird, the Safeway is still really bad but our local market had most things in stock. And there's another market just a mile or so up the road that people seem to have forgotten about that had plenty of most things, except paper products. (They also have, for reasons I've never understood, one of the best whiskey selections in the state.)

There are a lot of farms in the area though most don't sell direct. But now some have started doing produce deliveries and also deliveries from local restaurants, bakeries, even breweries.

Have to drive out of town tomorrow to move my son out of his college dorm since the rest of the year will be entirely online.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: debster on March 22, 2020, 05:46:48 PM
Even though there have been numerous pleas from our mayor and governor to not congregate in groups (Connecticut), my town had to get the parks department to remove the basketball hoops and tennis nets in our local parks because people were playing pickup games and tennis. They also had to chain the dog park gate because even though there were signs saying it was closed, people were sneaking in there and not practicing social distancing. I would say the majority of people around here are being good, it's just a small group of residents who don't care.

Most people are working from home here, they're going to shut down all non-essential businesses starting tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 22, 2020, 05:53:15 PM
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Even though there have been numerous pleas from our mayor and governor to not congregate in groups (Connecticut), my town had to get the parks department to remove the basketball hoops and tennis nets in our local parks because people were playing pickup games and tennis. They also had to chain the dog park gate because even though there were signs saying it was closed, people were sneaking in there and not practicing social distancing. I would say the majority of people around here are being good, it's just a small group of residents who don't care.

Most people are working from home here, they're going to shut down all non-essential businesses starting tomorrow night.

People play tennis from quite a distance, so I don't think they have so much to fear from playing that game. Basketball, I get.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 22, 2020, 06:00:39 PM
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It's not soap that eliminates viruses.  It's water washing it away.  Handwashing is a mechanical process.  The role of soap is to keep it from falling back down on your skin once it's been dislodged.  It gets between your skin and the dirt.  Thus making it possible to be washed away by water.  Rinsing under running water is the most important part of handwashing.  From watching other people wash their hands, it's the part many people skimp on.  It's the part I spend the most time on.

That's not entirely correct. Soap destroys the lipid fatty layer that surrounds the coronavirus, effectively destroying it. It's more effective at destroying the virus than hand sanitizer.

See this thread here: https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/1236549305189597189
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 22, 2020, 07:28:20 PM
i haven't been able to buy anything from local restaurants - the economic crash has made it difficult to buy prepared food. I can make $13 go a lot further at home but i dream of oyster tacos, bhan mi & Pho.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2020, 07:32:37 PM
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That's not entirely correct. Soap destroys the lipid fatty layer that surrounds the coronavirus, effectively destroying it. It's more effective at destroying the virus than hand sanitizer.

See this thread here: https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/1236549305189597189

That link is to one opinion.  Here is another.

"Soap has mild antibacterial properties, but it does not kill viruses."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/hand-sanitiser-or-hand-washing-which-more-effective-against-coronavirus-covid-19

Yes covid does have a lipid layer, it's an enveloped virus.  That's the reason that hand sanitizer works on it at all.  It doesn't work on viruses that don't have an envelope.  Yes, that lipid layer is vulnerable to soap.  Personally, I wouldn't count on soap doing a complete job.  Even if it killed 99.9% of them, there's still quite a bit left.  This link also gives a good explanation of how soap works to free dirt to be washed away.

https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/science/does-soap-really-kill-999-of-germs

What does work against all viruses, bacteria and general nastiness is washing your hands off with water.  Water alone with no soap does the heavy lifting.  Adding soap to the mix makes the wash even better.

"Through the use of water alone on both hands, the rate of diarrhea was cut by nearly half. Not bad for a little H2O. Adding in soap had a predictable effect, cutting the prevalence of diarrhea again by another 3.2 points, but the gains from soap clearly weren't as high as from scrubbing with water."

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/06/soap-how-much-cleaner-does-it-actually-make-your-hands/258839/

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2020, 07:41:56 PM
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the Safeway is still really bad

I know that Safeway.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 22, 2020, 07:45:21 PM
i drove up & down the coast from Encinitas to Pacific Beach in SD today. For those not following the motorcycle thread, I've been taking rides on my bike & maintaining social distancing.
I saw a lot of people out. Most were in family/couple groupings with very little large gatherings. The parking lots were closed. Apparently, the cops had just closed them due to gatherings. There were lots of folks in the water. I'm guessing it was a huge stress relief for them as riding 50+ miles was for me.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2020, 11:16:22 PM
I just saw a news story on the local news here in San Diego about how people aren't staying home.  Some parks are experiencing larger crowds than even on holidays.

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/police-close-parking-lots-at-san-diego-beaches-as-crowds-ignore-coronavirus-stay-at-home-order/509-0ec3ed76-df70-44a6-831d-295c86214ab2b
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 23, 2020, 12:30:14 AM
Yeah that's too bad that beaches and parks are getting too crowded. They probably should be closed just to be safe. Nothing wrong with walking around your local neighborhood a few times to get your exercise in.

For those who are eating takeout, you should probably be careful of the food that you eat. There was a medscape article posted on reddit that stated:

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Patients with gastrointestinal (GI) symptoms who were admitted to the hospital and were diagnosed with COVID-19 were more likely to have severe disease than patients who did not have GI symptoms, according to findings published March 18 in the American Journal of Gastroenterology.

From: https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fmq6bb/digestive_symptoms_tied_to_worse_covid19_outcomes/

It sounds like maybe the safest thing to do is to microwave the takeout food for at least 15 seconds to kill any potential viruses in the food.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 23, 2020, 01:51:56 AM
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Yeah that's too bad that beaches and parks are getting too crowded. They probably should be closed just to be safe. Nothing wrong with walking around your local neighborhood a few times to get your exercise in.

For those who are eating takeout, you should probably be careful of the food that you eat. There was a medscape article posted on reddit that stated:

From: https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fmq6bb/digestive_symptoms_tied_to_worse_covid19_outcomes/

It sounds like maybe the safest thing to do is to microwave the takeout food for at least 15 seconds to kill any potential viruses in the food.

Even my local neighborhood is getting crowded. Pre-Corona, on average, I’d pass 1-2 pedestrians for every 4 miles I ran, depending on time of day. Today, I passed at least 4-5 people per mile. I had to either run on the grass or on the street to avoid people.

Also, your link about people with GI symptoms worries me. I’ve had mild on-and-off gastritis for the past 2+ years. It’s mostly under control now, though I do have some flare ups here and there. So now I’m going to be extra-aware to any stomach pains I may be experiencing. To be fair, the article didn’t specifically call out gastritis. It only really mentioned anorexia.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 23, 2020, 11:59:41 AM
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Even my local neighborhood is getting crowded. Pre-Corona, on average, I’d pass 1-2 pedestrians for every 4 miles I ran, depending on time of day. Today, I passed at least 4-5 people per mile. I had to either run on the grass or on the street to avoid people.

As I've reported earlier, other than things like the door at Costco, my neighborhood doesn't seem locked down at all.  It seems the same as it always is.  This is a problem.  This is how Italy was.  People didn't take it seriously.  It's been a disaster.  Now they are locked down tighter than Wuhan was.  People aren't allowed out except once a week to buy groceries.  I hope that doesn't happen here because people are ignoring the lockdown.

But the opposite may happen.  Trump has tweeted that he may reverse course.  Open things up and whatever happens happens.  By news reports, there is a struggle inside the administration.  There are some that argue that the economic damage is worse than the virus.  A lockdown isn't worth it if it means slowing down the economy.

50% of the cases in the US are people between 18-49.  Being young doesn't make you invulnerable.  Stay home.  Binge Netflix.  It's not hard.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on March 23, 2020, 01:24:38 PM
I get takeout from the restaurants I really want to support. I prefer picking them up myself since the less people that my food goes through the better. Being in my car by myself doesn't pose a coronavirus risk.

Buying gift cards is a nice idea, but unfortunately there's no guarantee that those restaurants are going to still be around to use them at once this is over. Sadly, I don't think that a lot of small businesses will make it out of this. A few places we like have already closed for good.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 23, 2020, 05:21:36 PM
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Even my local neighborhood is getting crowded. Pre-Corona, on average, I’d pass 1-2 pedestrians for every 4 miles I ran, depending on time of day. Today, I passed at least 4-5 people per mile. I had to either run on the grass or on the street to avoid people.

Also, your link about people with GI symptoms worries me. I’ve had mild on-and-off gastritis for the past 2+ years. It’s mostly under control now, though I do have some flare ups here and there. So now I’m going to be extra-aware to any stomach pains I may be experiencing. To be fair, the article didn’t specifically call out gastritis. It only really mentioned anorexia.

One thing about that article is that I believe their mention of "anorexia" is not related to the disorder of anorexia nervosa but just meaning that a symptom of the disease is lack or loss of appetite for food along with other GI symptoms. They're saying people who experience loss of appetite when they're sick shouldn't be really considered a significant symptom since it's a very common symptom when people get sick in general. But the other symptoms like diarrhea could be more indicative of possible COVID infection and a possible more severe case of it.  So I don't think the article is saying people with underlying GI conditions is more at risk for this disease; they're just saying if you're suddenly getting severe GI symptoms, be wary.

Another big unusual symptom that's been mentioned recently that that infected people have been experiencing loss of taste and smell. And these people may have not have the usual strong fever or dry cough or shortness of breath symptoms. So I believe experts are saying if you're getting these unusual symptoms without the typical fever, etc., you should self-quarantine because you may be one of those "asymptomatic" carriers.

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As I've reported earlier, other than things like the door at Costco, my neighborhood doesn't seem locked down at all.  It seems the same as it always is.  This is a problem.  This is how Italy was.  People didn't take it seriously.  It's been a disaster.  Now they are locked down tighter than Wuhan was.  People aren't allowed out except once a week to buy groceries.  I hope that doesn't happen here because people are ignoring the lockdown.

But the opposite may happen.  Trump has tweeted that he may reverse course.  Open things up and whatever happens happens.  By news reports, there is a struggle inside the administration.  There are some that argue that the economic damage is worse than the virus.  A lockdown isn't worth it if it means slowing down the economy.

You know what's sad about this is that we didn't need to lockdown if our federal government were more vigilant about testing travelers and producing and distributing more masks in the beginning. I believe countries like South Korea and Taiwan never actually locked down the way we did because they were hyper vigilant and prepared for a potential epidemic back in January. Sure we can reverse course and lift the lockdown to try to stabilize the economy but are we willing to put people's lives at risk for this? No lockdown means there will be a large number of deaths.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 23, 2020, 08:35:21 PM
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Sure we can reverse course and lift the lockdown to try to stabilize the economy but are we willing to put people's lives at risk for this? No lockdown means there will be a large number of deaths.

That's what they are considering.  The reasoning is that saving a smaller number of lives is not worth harming a greater number of people financially.  Those are the types of discussions that happen in this administration.  Some in the administration consider the cure, economic hardship for a while, worse than the disease, people dying.

The truly sad part of all this is that the guidance to stay home is not working as well as it should.  We are all paying the price economically but not realizing all the benefit for that cost.  Many people are not staying home.  They don't get it.  It's just not some kids on the beach in Florida, it's all over.  The reports of people not self isolating are all over the country.  In some states more than others.  It's a mess.  We need federal leadership.  We need a unified nationwide response.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 23, 2020, 09:25:11 PM
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That's what they are considering.  The reasoning is that saving a smaller number of lives is not worth harming a greater number of people financially.  Those are the types of discussions that happen in this administration.  Some in the administration consider the cure, economic hardship for a while, worse than the disease, people dying.

The truly sad part of all this is that the guidance to stay home is not working as well as it should.  We are all paying the price economically but not realizing all the benefit for that cost.  Many people are not staying home.  They don't get it.  It's just not some kids on the beach in Florida, it's all over.  The reports of people not self isolating are all over the country.  In some states more than others.  It's a mess.  We need federal leadership.  We need a unified nationwide response.

I totally agree. I posted earlier that I was pessimistic about this shutdown because most in other cities/states weren't participating and didn't really follow the guidelines. What our fellow Americans don't seem to realize is that the more they resist sequestering, the less successful our shutdown will be and so it means we will have to extend the shutdown. I'm normally against martial law types of shutdowns but I truly wonder if we'll need one for 2-3 weeks just to force everyone inside and try to kill the virus that way. A 2-3 week martial law shutdown is better than an ineffective 2-3 month shutdown for our economy.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 23, 2020, 09:37:49 PM
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That's what they are considering.  The reasoning is that saving a smaller number of lives is not worth harming a greater number of people financially.  Those are the types of discussions that happen in this administration.  Some in the administration consider the cure, economic hardship for a while, worse than the disease, people dying.

The truly sad part of all this is that the guidance to stay home is not working as well as it should.  We are all paying the price economically but not realizing all the benefit for that cost.  Many people are not staying home.  They don't get it.  It's just not some kids on the beach in Florida, it's all over.  The reports of people not self isolating are all over the country.  In some states more than others.  It's a mess.  We need federal leadership.  We need a unified nationwide response.


But is the number of lives saved actually small? All those people they count dying of COVID-19 in Italy might be "small," but add in the number of people who are dying because COVID-19 patients sucked up all the resources in Italy and then ask how many lives were actually lost there? Add to that, what do you consider "small"?

As for the lockdowns, I think there ought to be fines for people not obeying.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 24, 2020, 01:34:10 AM
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But is the number of lives saved actually small? All those people they count dying of COVID-19 in Italy might be "small," but add in the number of people who are dying because COVID-19 patients sucked up all the resources in Italy and then ask how many lives were actually lost there? Add to that, what do you consider "small"?

As for the lockdowns, I think there ought to be fines for people not obeying.

I didn't say small.  I said smaller.  It's not my reasoning.  It's the administration's.  Trump was warned that if covid isn't brought under control that 2.2 million people could die in the US.  Since even with that knowledge he is now leaning towards easing the restrictions to reopen the economy, he must think that's acceptable losses.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-went-on-a-twitter-spree-urging-the-us-economy-to-go-back-to-business-as-usual-starting-as-early-as-next-week/ar-BB11A7qJ

If my opinion wasn't clear, I'll say it again.  Stay home.  Binge Netflix.  It's not hard.

I don't know if fines will do much.  The fine in Malta for breaking quarantine is 3000 euros.  People still break quarantine.

We should have learned from Italy and Spain.  They both started out with a light touch when they started their lockdowns.  Too many people ignored it.  It didn't work.  Now they have had to move to hard lockdowns.  Both countries have deployed the military to enforce the rules now.  Basically, people can't go outside except for food.

The UK and Germany both learned from Italy and Spain.  They started with strict lockdowns with the clear threat that things would get intense if people don't comply.  The UK in particular turned around quickly.  Even a week ago the said they weren't going to go down the lockdown route.  They didn't even want to ban large gatherings.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on March 24, 2020, 04:09:24 AM
Status report:

There is now a confirmed case of COVID-19 at UC San Diego, as of March 23rd, 5:15 PM PDT.  I got an e-mail sent out to all academics, staff, faculty, etc. that a student tested positive for the virus.

Here's the official announcement from UCSD for reference:

"We have learned that a member of our UC San Diego community has tested positive for COVID-19. The student resident has self-isolated and remains isolated while receiving care.  The university is in contact with the student and is offering support during recovery. We are working closely with San Diego County Public Health officials and are following their guidance on notification to individuals with recent close contact.  Please know that if there is a need for anyone to be isolated or tested they will be contacted."

(Source: https://coronavirus.ucsd.edu)


That's too close to home for me, seeing how I work at UCSD.  While I've been working from home since Friday, March 20th, we weren't told to stay home until a day prior to that (at least for my department).  Information regarding how long since the student had contracted the virus or where the student has been around town, on-campus and off-campus, is being investigated, according to the announcement, but I think the damage is already done... The virus is here, and there could be many more infected in this area and who are unaware of being a carrier.

It's even scarier now that it's in and around the school community in which I work.  I agree with what has been said in this thread and can't reiterate this enough: Stay home as much as possible.  Seriously, it could be closer to you than you realize, and it could affect you and your loved ones.  The safest precautions are limiting yourself to potential exposure and staying home.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SyndE on March 24, 2020, 07:18:19 AM
Reporting from the inner-ring Philly suburbs, in a little hippie town.

City of Philadelphia proper on full lockdown/shelter in place since last week,
Four surrounding counties (Delaware, Chester, Montgomery, Bucks) put on full lockdown yesterday, March 23.

5-county area hit hard (esp. Montgomery and Philly proper), but thankfully we are far enough away from NYC and northern NJ to not have many daily commuters from those areas.

Been WFH since March 10 (office in Philly proper).

I consider a good day one that I get through without any mother's little helpers.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 24, 2020, 07:38:10 AM
Same here in good ol' Philly burbs (MontCo).  I only go out to get groceries, and the occasional run outside near the local office complex (which is empty).  Extended two more weeks to April 6...so we'll see how this goes...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 24, 2020, 05:09:45 PM
I feel those worried more about the economical ramifications than the potential number of deaths should do some reading on what some East Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan are doing and demand that we follow their protocols. These countries didn't have to shut down like we did to handle the outbreak. If we all were able to wear masks and have thermoscanners everywhere, we could actually stop our shutdown sooner than later. But since our federal government is incompetent and the voters are not holding them accountable, our shutdown will have to be extended longer than we want to.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 24, 2020, 06:18:26 PM
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I feel those worried more about the economical ramifications than the potential number of deaths should do some reading on what some East Asian countries like South Korea and Taiwan are doing and demand that we follow their protocols. These countries didn't have to shut down like we did to handle the outbreak. If we all were able to wear masks and have thermoscanners everywhere, we could actually stop our shutdown sooner than later. But since our federal government is incompetent and the voters are not holding them accountable, our shutdown will have to be extended longer than we want to.

We voted in that inept leadership. We can't do what those countries did for many reasons. We don't have their tools and that's why we shut down. It's the only weapon we have left. If he lifts this edict, he will have blood on his hands. The economy will collapse anyway from the sheer number of deaths. Our federal leadership is nonchalant and old. They'll probably catch it, too.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 24, 2020, 06:27:34 PM
I'm in San Diego. we've been in lock down for a week or two now. Last weekend the weather was nice & the beach was crowed, not packed but crowed.
The SD mayor closed all the beaches and hiking trails with threats of arrest with misdemeanor charges & up to $1,000 fines.

I dove up the shore today, by a bunch of the beaches. North of the SD, there were few people on the beach by Torry Pines

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I will say, there was a LOT of cops out, both in the beach parking lots and on the streets of SD! I was glad they were out in force but i was not planing any stops or interactions. There was noticeably less people about today then on Sunday.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on March 24, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
He doesn’t care.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 24, 2020, 07:14:15 PM
The SD convention center is being readied to accept homeless folks in preparation for the onslaught of sickness. The idea is to get them into situations which are not overcrowded.

eta: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-03-23/convention-center-may-be-housing-the-homeless-but-that-doesnt-mean-comic-con-is-a-no-go?fbclid=IwAR22sbHS1JyF_alNCMowOfb40rEj9a0PJyZsAxZ1WnKxrSUcz-o8_wECbJQ
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 24, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
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We voted in that inept leadership. We can't do what those countries did for many reasons. We don't have their tools and that's why we shut down. It's the only weapon we have left. If he lifts this edict, he will have blood on his hands. The economy will collapse anyway from the sheer number of deaths. Our federal leadership is nonchalant and old. They'll probably catch it, too.

I agree with you on everything except one part-- I still believe we can try to copy what other countries did. It's still not too late. We can use the Defense Production Act and force the factories in the US to start mass producing masks and also start producing thermoscanners (and ventilators too). It's sad if you read the news because our current administration doesn't want to enforce the Defense Production Act but our shutdown will be ineffective if we can't protect ourselves when the shutdown ends.

That's another thing I slowly realized last week, our government lied to us about the effectiveness of masks. Yes good quality surgical masks only protect health individuals about 85% or so but if everyone wears masks the number increases greatly. The point of having everyone wearing masks is that it helps prevent sick or asymptomatic individuals from spreading their viral particles to healthy individuals. It's too bad that they had to lie about this to us to a point where our current public mindset is that we shouldn't wear a mask if we're not sick... I know why they lied to us about it, it's because we have a masks shortage and yes health care workers deserve to get masks first. But if we really want to end the shutdown and restart the economy, we have to produce enough masks where everyone who goes out can have one to wear. Sadly, I don't think most Americans realize this. Maybe they can figure this out after another 1-2 months of shutdown.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 25, 2020, 12:07:13 AM
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The SD convention center is being readied to accept homeless folks in preparation for the onslaught of sickness. The idea is to get them into situations which are not overcrowded.

eta: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/story/2020-03-23/convention-center-may-be-housing-the-homeless-but-that-doesnt-mean-comic-con-is-a-no-go?fbclid=IwAR22sbHS1JyF_alNCMowOfb40rEj9a0PJyZsAxZ1WnKxrSUcz-o8_wECbJQ

It's hard to think of the convention center as "not overcrowded."
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Jim Watari on March 25, 2020, 08:50:51 AM
Why am I not surprised by what is in this article :(

https://vocal.media/theSwamp/covid-pandemic-exposes-the-ugly-secrets-hidden-in-america-s-healthcare-system
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 25, 2020, 08:53:43 AM
Here in Maryland, schools were just closed for another 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Jim Watari on March 25, 2020, 08:59:00 AM
Schools in LA will remain closed until at least May 1
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 25, 2020, 11:52:18 AM
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Why am I not surprised by what is in this article :(

https://vocal.media/theSwamp/covid-pandemic-exposes-the-ugly-secrets-hidden-in-america-s-healthcare-system

This epidemic makes obvious to the public what we have here in the US.  The worst health care system of all developed nations and poor even compared to many developing ones.  The only thing we are first at in health care is in how much we pay.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on March 25, 2020, 12:20:47 PM
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This epidemic makes obvious to the public what we have here in the US.  The worst health care system of all developed nations and poor even compared to many developing ones.  The only thing we are first at in health care is in how much we pay.
Preach! I totally agree.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 25, 2020, 01:18:39 PM
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This epidemic makes obvious to the public what we have here in the US.  The worst health care system of all developed nations and poor even compared to many developing ones.  The only thing we are first at in health care is in how much we pay.

People keep asking why we can't be like South Korea. Face it; we are more like Italy than South Korea.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 25, 2020, 02:06:53 PM
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People keep asking why we can't be like South Korea. Face it; we are more like Italy than South Korea.
Really face it: we're worse off than Italy.  We have less tests per capita than any civilized nation, and a Federal government that doesn't seem interested it treating a pandemic and more interested in nurturing stock portfolios.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on March 25, 2020, 02:57:14 PM
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Really face it: we're worse off than Italy.  We have less tests per capita than any civilized nation, and a Federal government that doesn't seem interested it treating a pandemic and more interested in nurturing stock portfolios.

While I may agree with you, I've always found this forum a great place to escape the political echo chambers of the major social media sites. There are people from a broad political spectrum on this site, and all should feel welcome here. We're Geeks. We're united in our geekdom.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 25, 2020, 04:02:08 PM
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While I may agree with you, I've always found this forum a great place to escape the political echo chambers of the major social media sites. There are people from a broad political spectrum on this site, and all should feel welcome here. We're Geeks. We're united in our geekdom.

I think a big part of the problem is that our health care system has been politicized and it shouldn't be. There should be frank discussions on how broken our health care system is and what we can do to fix it. Because it can be and should be fixed. Not only that, we all should be educated on how and why exactly it is broken and not just be told that it is. I'm not sure why there is a big fear of copying other countries. I think we should look at the potential health care systems out there and see what's the best and most realistic for us to emulate.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 25, 2020, 04:38:42 PM
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I think a big part of the problem is that our health care system has been politicized and it shouldn't be. There should be frank discussions on how broken our health care system is and what we can do to fix it. Because it can be and should be fixed. Not only that, we all should be educated on how and why exactly it is broken and not just be told that it is. I'm not sure why there is a big fear of copying other countries. I think we should look at the potential health care systems out there and see what's the best and most realistic for us to emulate.

Taiwan offers an example of where they put politics aside to make healthcare better for all.  It used to have a patchwork system much like the US.  Now it's single payer for all.  Their system has handled this epidemic better than most.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/26/upshot/the-leap-to-single-payer-what-taiwan-can-teach.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 25, 2020, 06:43:57 PM
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Taiwan offers an example of where they put politics aside to make healthcare better for all.  It used to have a patchwork system much like the US.  Now it's single payer for all.  Their system has handled this epidemic better than most.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/26/upshot/the-leap-to-single-payer-what-taiwan-can-teach.html

I love how Taiwan is handling it. Believe me, that's my country right there (btw did you know their VP is an epidemiologist?). But I think we have to be realistic that we're not going to be able to copy Taiwan right now. We should look at more realistic models, like South Korea or Japan. But this is just looking at how they're handling the outbreak so far. If you're talking about changing our entire health care system after this crisis is over, I don't think jumping into single payer is realistic right now. I think it's safer to change in smaller steps. We should look at a country like Germany who apparently have both a strong yet affordable public health care system and also private health insurance options who want better coverage.  They have their universal health care coverage between their two types.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 25, 2020, 10:35:19 PM
After 3 days of trying, I was finally able to get an order of rice in for delivery.  Many times I was able to add it to my cart only to have it sell out before I could checkout.

Is this what it feels like to win a Conan ticket?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on March 26, 2020, 04:45:19 AM
The Florida governor has decided that anyone flying into Florida from New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut  MUST self isolate and be tracked for 14 days.  Wonder if that would nclude the President, who has his primary residence in Palm Beach?🙄
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 26, 2020, 05:30:35 AM
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The Florida governor has decided that anyone flying into Florida from New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut  MUST self isolate and be tracked for 14 days.  Wonder if that would nclude the President, who has his primary residence in Palm Beach?🙄

Maryland has done the same thing.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 26, 2020, 07:20:51 AM
here's a great clip on how to deal with bringing groceries into the house.

https://youtu.be/sjDuwc9KBps
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 26, 2020, 01:28:32 PM
I set groceries, and everything else, aside for 4 days.  Even before this epidemic, I would set things aside.  I would wash perishables like milk cartons before putting them into the fridge.  Now I don't buy anything perishable.  I miss bread.  They don't ship it.  I'm thinking about ordering a bread machine and a big bag of flour.

I think people should at least do what's shown in the video.  The one criticism I have is that he contaminates both his hands by handling things on the dirty half of the table and then uses those same dirty hands to touch the clean stuff.  That defeats the purpose.  When I do things like this, I keep one hand clean at all times.  So then I can use the clean hand to pull out that bag of cereal from the contaminated box.

Think about your mail too.  I set that aside for days as well.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 26, 2020, 01:36:32 PM
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I love how Taiwan is handling it. Believe me, that's my country right there (btw did you know their VP is an epidemiologist?). But I think we have to be realistic that we're not going to be able to copy Taiwan right now. We should look at more realistic models, like South Korea or Japan. But this is just looking at how they're handling the outbreak so far. If you're talking about changing our entire health care system after this crisis is over, I don't think jumping into single payer is realistic right now. I think it's safer to change in smaller steps. We should look at a country like Germany who apparently have both a strong yet affordable public health care system and also private health insurance options who want better coverage.  They have their universal health care coverage between their two types.

Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have been able to handle covid the way they have is because of the health care systems they have.  That infrastructure enabled them to tackle it.  We don't have that infrastructure.  So I don't see how we can do what they did.

Taiwan has private health insurance.  I can't think of a country with universal healthcare that doesn't.  The UK has it.  Even Canada has it.  Having universal healthcare doesn't mean there isn't a private option.  It just means that everyone is guarantee at least a certain level of health care.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 26, 2020, 05:21:07 PM
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Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have been able to handle covid the way they have is because of the health care systems they have.  That infrastructure enabled them to tackle it.  We don't have that infrastructure.  So I don't see how we can do what they did.

Taiwan has private health insurance.  I can't think of a country with universal healthcare that doesn't.  The UK has it.  Even Canada has it.  Having universal healthcare doesn't mean there isn't a private option.  It just means that everyone is guarantee at least a certain level of health care.

Yeah I think that's great for those countries. I may have to take back what I said about Japan though. I think there's been some indication that they might also be hiding their numbers. OTOH, I should add a country like Germany to the model countries category to emulate. According to NYTimes, they're testing almost 500K per week and they have a fatality rate of 0.4%.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 26, 2020, 07:18:21 PM
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I set groceries, and everything else, aside for 4 days.  Even before this epidemic, I would set things aside.  I would wash perishables like milk cartons before putting them into the fridge.  Now I don't buy anything perishable.  I miss bread.  They don't ship it.  I'm thinking about ordering a bread machine and a big bag of flour.

As someone who LOVES making bread, you don't even need a bread maker, especially if you have a good stand mixer OR a good oven safe pan for no knead bread. I definitely recommend learning to make bread and keeping the ingredients on hand.

When we couldn't get bread at the store, I made some and it was delicious. Plus, nothing beats fresh out of the oven bread, that crisp, that softness, the warmth. Granted, I grew up eating fresh bread made by my mum and great grandmum. My mum used to have a bread maker when I was younger but she got rid of it when we consolidated homes when she remarried. I think she regretted getting rid of it because she does not have the patience to get out my stand mixer and make bread. (Plus, she actually HATES baking with a passion, it's hilarious to bake with her.)

No knead bread is a must to learn, it's delicious and goes with so many things and is so simple so long as you have the materials.

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On a check-in note, I developed a bad fever on and off the last few days as well as a dry cough that comes and goes. Yesterday I was able to remote into work for 9 hours, but today I could barely sit up most of the day or get to my phone. There's a good chance I have it, since I've likely been exposed through my mum (nurse practitioner who is actively testing people in full gear through UCSD's express care facilities.) But I'm still holding onto hope it's just the flu and allergies at the same time.

As soon as we got the order to stay at home and I got sick before then, I've been self-quarantining. I only leave my bed to get water, meds, food, and the bathroom.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 26, 2020, 09:27:22 PM
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On a check-in note, I developed a bad fever on and off the last few days as well as a dry cough that comes and goes. Yesterday I was able to remote into work for 9 hours, but today I could barely sit up most of the day or get to my phone. There's a good chance I have it, since I've likely been exposed through my mum (nurse practitioner who is actively testing people in full gear through UCSD's express care facilities.) But I'm still holding onto hope it's just the flu and allergies at the same time.

As soon as we got the order to stay at home and I got sick before then, I've been self-quarantining. I only leave my bed to get water, meds, food, and the bathroom.

I hope it's not Covid-19 :(  I'd try to drink as much hot/warm water as possible, take Tylenol for the fever, and take any zinc supplements you can find (though be careful with the amount because too much is toxic). I would contact your primary care doctor and ask them if they're willing to prescribe hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin for you if you start getting pneumonia-like symptoms. Be watchful of your symptoms daily for the next 7-10 days. There's been anecdotal reports how sometimes people can feel better one day and suddenly have full-on pneumonia and can't breathe the next day. I'd ask family members or close friends to monitor you daily and be ready to drive you to the hospital if it suddenly gets bad like that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on March 26, 2020, 09:40:06 PM
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Yeah I think that's great for those countries. I may have to take back what I said about Japan though. I think there's been some indication that they might also be hiding their numbers. OTOH, I should add a country like Germany to the model countries category to emulate. According to NYTimes, they're testing almost 500K per week and they have a fatality rate of 0.4%.

Germans, by definition, are masters at social distancing.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 26, 2020, 10:52:54 PM
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I would contact your primary care doctor and ask them if they're willing to prescribe hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin for you if you start getting pneumonia-like symptoms.

Please do not do that.  There is no evidence that chloroquine does anything for covid and contrary to what the President says, it can hurt you.  There are pit falls to chloroquine.  It's not even widely used as a malaria drug anymore.  This fad of hoarding unproven drugs is destroying the supply for people that legitimately need it.  People on Lupus can't get it now.  Those people do need it.  It works for them.  Hype is hurting real people.

Small study from China showing that chloroquine does nothing for covid.

http://www.zjujournals.com/med/CN/10.3785/j.issn.1008-9292.2020.03.03

People on Lupus now can't get the drug they need because of this hype.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/hydroxychloroquine-scarce-due-to-hope-it-could-be-covid-19-treatment-posing-crisis-for-lupus-patient/ar-BB11ICKw

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 26, 2020, 11:49:42 PM
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Please do not do that.  There is no evidence that chloroquine does anything for covid and contrary to what the President says, it can hurt you.  There are pit falls to chloroquine.  It's not even widely used as a malaria drug anymore.  This fad of hoarding unproven drugs is destroying the supply for people that legitimately need it.  People on Lupus can't get it now.  Those people do need it.  It works for them.  Hype is hurting real people.

Small study from China showing that chloroquine does nothing for covid.

http://www.zjujournals.com/med/CN/10.3785/j.issn.1008-9292.2020.03.03

People on Lupus now can't get the drug they need because of this hype.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/hydroxychloroquine-scarce-due-to-hope-it-could-be-covid-19-treatment-posing-crisis-for-lupus-patient/ar-BB11ICKw

I disagree. You have to ignore that Trump suddenly politicized the drug. You have to look at all the potential data out there about chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, not just one study. Here's a bunch of articles I saved the links for to give you an idea of why other countries like South Korea are using HCQ in their treatment:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00003-1 (early look at potential drugs for treatment)
http://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=7428
https://aac.asm.org/content/53/8/3416
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa237/5801998?searchresult=1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32074550
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300820
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/
https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1001176
https://medium.com/@adrianbye/is-the-high-coronavirus-death-rate-caused-by-wrong-official-treatment-guidelines-f4ef0a2903f3

Previous HCQ research for original SARs in 2009:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19506054/

You have to pay attention to what other countries are doing right now to treat it. There's also other hospitals that are getting hit starting to use it now

https://www.wcvb.com/article/drug-that-treats-malaria-being-used-by-boston-doctors-to-treat-covid-19/31803741#
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/03/22/new-york-to-begin-clinical-trials-for-coronavirus-treatment-tuesday-cuomo-says/#21e140c54203

It's true that there are no ideal peer-review clinical trials to point to in showing that it definitely helps with treatment of covid. But there won't be any conclusive trials until probably next year. When there's an epidemic, can we afford to sit back and let people get worse with no treatment when there's a potential drug that can help decrease the severity of the disease?

I do feel bad for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis patients who are effected by the shortage. Thankfully some companies are stepping up in producing the drug. Hopefully there won't be a shortage for too long.

https://www.novartis.com/news/media-releases/novartis-commits-donate-130-million-doses-hydroxychloroquine-support-global-covid-19-pandemic-response
https://www.europeanpharmaceuticalreview.com/news/115687/anti-malarial-drugs-donated-to-aid-fight-against-covid-19/

I've been following the progress of this potential drug treatment for the past month. To me, this has the most potential right now compared to some of the initial antivirals used like Kaletra, a HIV drug. Remdesivir is potentially the most promising but FDA approval will take a long time.
Anyhow, don't let someone like Trump politicize the drug for you. Look at the research that was available before he mentioned it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 27, 2020, 01:40:56 AM
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I disagree. You have to ignore that Trump suddenly politicized the drug. You have to look at all the potential data out there about chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, not just one study. Here's a bunch of articles I saved the links for to give you an idea of why other countries like South Korea are using HCQ in their treatment:

A lot of those links you posted don't have anything to do with covid, they talk about using chloroquine for other purposes.  Other links refer to chloroquine as an anti-viral, it's not approved as an anti-viral that I know of.  The only link in all those you posted that I saw that directly discusses chloroquine and covid was an experiment done in vitro, in a "test tube".  There's a lot of stuff that works in a test tube that doesn't work in a living organism.  Chloroquine was looked at as a drug to treat HIV and SARS.  It showed promise in vitro.  SARS was the novel coronavirus of it's day.  That promise didn't translate.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

There's only one study concerning efficacy of chloroquine on covid in humans.  That's the study I posted.  Many of those links you posted are hopes and prayers, not science.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trump politicizing it.  There is simply no evidence that chloroquine is effective in treating covid.  This happened during the SARS outbreak as well.  People were convinced that steroids were the magic cure.  Looking back, it wasn't.  In fact, it did more harm than good.  Here are a couple of papers about steroids and SARS.  The first was a pro/con about it as it happened.  Sounds familiar doesn't it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC420028/

And here is look back about what happened because some people went ahead because they thought steroids were the answer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3892599/

Right now, people are throwing every possible drug they can think of at covid in hopes that something will work.  I would not be surprised if someone swears that the miracle drug, aspirin, is the answer.  It would be great if an existing drug was an effective treatment.  I would be ecstatic if that was chloroquine.  But right now there is no evidence that chloroquine or any other existing drug is effective.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 27, 2020, 10:32:05 AM
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I hope it's not Covid-19 :(  I'd try to drink as much hot/warm water as possible, take Tylenol for the fever, and take any zinc supplements you can find (though be careful with the amount because too much is toxic). I would contact your primary care doctor and ask them if they're willing to prescribe hydroxychloroquine or azithromycin for you if you start getting pneumonia-like symptoms. Be watchful of your symptoms daily for the next 7-10 days. There's been anecdotal reports how sometimes people can feel better one day and suddenly have full-on pneumonia and can't breathe the next day. I'd ask family members or close friends to monitor you daily and be ready to drive you to the hospital if it suddenly gets bad like that.

I've been in contact with my GP and my mum who's a nurse practitioner helping treat/refer covid-19 patients.

I'm carefully watching for worsening symptoms. So far they're coming and going, one day is good and then the next day is insanely bad. My mum is home from work for the next three days so she's keeping an eye on me for now just in case.

The only problem with getting meds prescribed is that I'm on A LOT of medications already (I have a few chronic conditions and a cerebrovascular disease.) So, I basically need to consult with pharmacists and my specialists any time something more than the basics need to be prescribed, thus I'm waiting until it's actually needed. Of note, my liver enzymes have been slightly elevated lately, so I'm definitely not adding any other meds unless absolutely necessary.

I've been told to mainly self-quarantine, hydrate (which I always drink at least 2.5L a day,) watch for fevers and treat them, etc. Currently, I'm not too worried unless I start developing breathing issues, if that happens I'm going straight to the ER. I'm young, not immunocompromised despite all my issues, and generally healthy. So unless it takes a turn for the worse, I'm going to try and remain as calm as my anxiety disorder allows.

At this point, even in California I don't qualify for testing for it yet unless I worsen. I'm basically resting in bed, hydrating, taking tylenol as needed, playing a lot of video games to kill time, and working remotely when I feel up to it. Thank god for the timing of Animal Crossing: New Horizons.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 27, 2020, 02:12:31 PM
Random reports from around the world.

Italy is serious about self isolating now.  After a shaky start, if someone that has tested positive is caught outside their home the penalty is 1-5 years in prison.

China is concerned that even with the lockdown lifted, that some people will not be willing to leave their homes.

Covid is not just a health and economic shock.  It's a social shock.  It will take months for things to get back to normal even once the all clear is sounded.  Somethings will probably not change.  How many people won't think about it in the future when the person behind them in line is coughing right into their neck?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 27, 2020, 05:16:13 PM
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A lot of those links you posted don't have anything to do with covid, they talk about using chloroquine for other purposes.  Other links refer to chloroquine as an anti-viral, it's not approved as an anti-viral that I know of.  The only link in all those you posted that I saw that directly discusses chloroquine and covid was an experiment done in vitro, in a "test tube".  There's a lot of stuff that works in a test tube that doesn't work in a living organism.  Chloroquine was looked at as a drug to treat HIV and SARS.  It showed promise in vitro.  SARS was the novel coronavirus of it's day.  That promise didn't translate.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(03)00806-5/fulltext
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

There's only one study concerning efficacy of chloroquine on covid in humans.  That's the study I posted.  Many of those links you posted are hopes and prayers, not science.

My opinion has nothing to do with Trump politicizing it.  There is simply no evidence that chloroquine is effective in treating covid.  This happened during the SARS outbreak as well.  People were convinced that steroids were the magic cure.  Looking back, it wasn't.  In fact, it did more harm than good.  Here are a couple of papers about steroids and SARS.  The first was a pro/con about it as it happened.  Sounds familiar doesn't it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC420028/

And here is look back about what happened because some people went ahead because they thought steroids were the answer.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3892599/

Right now, people are throwing every possible drug they can think of at covid in hopes that something will work.  I would not be surprised if someone swears that the miracle drug, aspirin, is the answer.  It would be great if an existing drug was an effective treatment.  I would be ecstatic if that was chloroquine.  But right now there is no evidence that chloroquine or any other existing drug is effective.

I disagree, I don't feel many anecdotal reports are zero evidence. And you can't compare a drug like hydroxychloroquine to steroids and aspirin. They're all different drugs. You're making a disingenuous argument in making them sound like the same drugs. You're assuming a drug like HCQ is a "miracle drug" which no one, including myself, has said it is. The only person who said it was Trump and we know not to believe anything he says. But if it is found to help lessen the severity of covid-19, then doctors should consider prescribing it. If it's all fake news, then why are there countless trials starting in testing it out?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32171740
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/who-officials-enroll-first-patients-from-norway-and-spain-in-historic-coronavirus-drug-trial.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/03/26/trump-keeps-touting-an-unproven-coronavirus-treatment-its-now-being-tested-thousands-new-york/

Yes theoretically if there were no epidemic, we should wait for these trial studies to finish and see their conclusions before prescribing them. But if you or family members get sick now and, if certain members have underlying conditions that put them more at risk, are you going to ignore all the positive anecdotal reports? I can tell you that from the few doctors I've talked to, the ones who understand the low profile side effects of HCQ, they would choose to take it.

ETA: Reddit found another new published article that touts the drug:

https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/fq5tzl/clinical_and_microbiological_effect_of_a/

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I've been in contact with my GP and my mum who's a nurse practitioner helping treat/refer covid-19 patients.

I'm carefully watching for worsening symptoms. So far they're coming and going, one day is good and then the next day is insanely bad. My mum is home from work for the next three days so she's keeping an eye on me for now just in case.

The only problem with getting meds prescribed is that I'm on A LOT of medications already (I have a few chronic conditions and a cerebrovascular disease.) So, I basically need to consult with pharmacists and my specialists any time something more than the basics need to be prescribed, thus I'm waiting until it's actually needed. Of note, my liver enzymes have been slightly elevated lately, so I'm definitely not adding any other meds unless absolutely necessary.

I've been told to mainly self-quarantine, hydrate (which I always drink at least 2.5L a day,) watch for fevers and treat them, etc. Currently, I'm not too worried unless I start developing breathing issues, if that happens I'm going straight to the ER. I'm young, not immunocompromised despite all my issues, and generally healthy. So unless it takes a turn for the worse, I'm going to try and remain as calm as my anxiety disorder allows.

At this point, even in California I don't qualify for testing for it yet unless I worsen. I'm basically resting in bed, hydrating, taking tylenol as needed, playing a lot of video games to kill time, and working remotely when I feel up to it. Thank god for the timing of Animal Crossing: New Horizons.

Yes I would agree, if you have other medications that could interact poorly with either HCQ or azithromycin, then you shouldn't take it. I would look into taking zinc supplements (non toxic amount) and make sure it doesn't interact badly with your current meds. Good luck and keep us posted.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 27, 2020, 07:01:17 PM
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I disagree, I don't feel many anecdotal reports are zero evidence.

Why is snake oil no longer a thing?  Because anecdotes are not evidence of efficacy.  I'll stick with science.

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ETA: Reddit found another new published article that touts the drug:

An article full of anecdotes is still just a bunch of anecdotes.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 27, 2020, 07:37:14 PM
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Why is snake oil no longer a thing?  Because anecdotes are not evidence of efficacy.  I'll stick with science.

An article full of anecdotes is still just a bunch of anecdotes.


Numerous clinical trials starting to study this drug is considered snake oil? Wow, ok. I guess you need to tell these doctors here in the US and multiple countries like South Korea, France, Spain, etc. who've been prescribing HCQ have been using snake oil. And also all the researchers who've been conducting these studies are peddling snake oil and not conducting real science.

As for anecdotes being anecdotes, well I guess we should ignore all the anecdotes of patients having covid-19 symptoms or doctors seeing patients die from covid-19 disease. Technically none of it has been scientifically proven yet, it's all "a  bunch of anecdotes."
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Devorah on March 27, 2020, 07:57:44 PM
This thread is for members to check in and let us know how they are feeling, and how they are dealing with quarantine. Nothing wrong with a healthy debate but I think this one has run its course. Let’s move on please.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 27, 2020, 08:42:36 PM
I'm excited and nervous to go out on our weekly shopping trek tomorrow.

My friend gave me a heads up for a company hiring. Idk what to do?! I am still with the company, just not making money as of next Friday.
My nurse friend said a lot of people, including homeless, are coming in with a bad cough. They aren't even trying, but testing them as if they have covid-19. Another friend that owns a clinic said they rent getting the test kits and also just testing as if they have the virus. So the numbers we are hearing are totally higher.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 27, 2020, 10:28:59 PM
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I'm excited and nervous to go out on our weekly shopping trek tomorrow.

My friend gave me a heads up for a company hiring. Idk what to do?! I am still with the company, just not making money as of next Friday.
My nurse friend said a lot of people, including homeless, are coming in with a bad cough. They aren't even trying, but testing them as if they have covid-19. Another friend that owns a clinic said they rent getting the test kits and also just testing as if they have the virus. So the numbers we are hearing are totally higher.


This is why you don't look at the number of cases. You look at the number of people hospitalized and/or dying/dead. That will give you a better idea of how bad it is.

When the hospitals start getting overloaded, you look only at the people who are dead, not the ones hospitalized, because those that should be hospitalized will be pushed back out onto the streets while they are still very sick to free up beds. I hear that is starting to happen in some places.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 28, 2020, 11:22:21 PM
I haven't been out of the house, except for a quick pharmacy run, for almost 3 weeks.  I've been ordering things to be shipped instead of going to the grocery store.  I don't even want delivery.  It's worked out OK.

On another note, San Diego is getting serious about enforcing the stay at home mandate.  On the news today they said that a violation is up to a $1000 and/or 6 months in jail.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 29, 2020, 10:19:58 AM
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On another note, San Diego is getting serious about enforcing the stay at home mandate.  On the news today they said that a violation is up to a $1000 and/or 6 months in jail.

Having been out and about on my motorcycle a bit, my sense is the cops are not being jerks but just moving people along. I drive by the beaches & noted no one sitting but a fair amout of folks moving- walking/ jogging etc. It really seems as tho the cops understand folks need to move around for sanity. They are very present but I have not seen them confront anybody. I am only on the coast & north of SD tho. I have no idea what's happening south of the city proper.

i do have a question for locals, how are the grocery stores doing? I'm going to need to go out this week for food.
I've got my list but am worried about not being able to get everything at one stop. Have folks found it's better to go in the morning? any tips for getting everything i need. (i'm set for tp lol)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 29, 2020, 12:00:10 PM
The San Diego Sheriff has said publicly that they don't have the manpower to enforce the mandate, so they aren't even trying at this point.  When the San Diego mayor was asked about an enforcement issue, he sidestepped it by referring back to what the Sheriff said so that it's not an issue.  I don't think the authorities want to confront people.  They want voluntary cooperation for now.

Regarding grocery shopping, here is the latest study about how long covid lives on surfaces and what in the house can kill it.  To my surprise, the surface it lives the longest on is a face mask.  Since a mask is so fibrous, I thought it would be similar to paper or cloth.  It's not.  The outside is still infectious after 7 days.  Steel and plastic can be infectious up to 7 days.  So I'm upping my grocery isolation to 7 days from 4 to err on the side of caution.

This study hasn't been peer reviewed and thus not published, so keep that in mind.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.15.20036673v2
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: rabbitwarren on March 29, 2020, 12:32:54 PM
Strangely, I’ve actually been busier than ever. I just did my time sheets and I’m clocking in 10+ hours a day.  I have barely had any time to do the proactive projects that were supposed to keep us now that all our events are cancelled.

Instacart shoppers are supposedly striking beginning tomorrow. I have an order for Tuesday but I would understand if the shopper cancels.  The fact they want at the very least mask, gloves, and sanitizer is hardly unreasonable. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on March 29, 2020, 12:50:09 PM
It’s an oddity. Since I’m at home, I’m moving less. Not walking throughout an office building or around the campus, or even taking my post-lunch walks. I’m also snacking a lot more since food is so readily available (seriously, keep those Nilla Wafers away from me). And yet I’m down 2-3 pounds since Shelter-in-Place started.

I’m still running about the same amount (50-60 miles a week), so that wouldn’t explain the loss. Maybe my actual meals are smaller? I have no idea.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 29, 2020, 01:45:44 PM
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Instacart shoppers are supposedly striking beginning tomorrow. I have an order for Tuesday but I would understand if the shopper cancels.  The fact they want at the very least mask, gloves, and sanitizer is hardly unreasonable.

I don't see how they can strike, they aren't employees.  Instacart classifies them as independent contractors.  Being contractors, they can choose not to work whenever they feel like it.  So the San Diego DA is trying to reinstate an injunction against Instacart.  Since they should be classified as employees.  If the DA succeeds, then Instacart will be shutdown until they accept that the people that work for them are employees.

I notice that other delivery people also don't use PPE.  I think that everyone that interacts with the public should have PPE equipment.  Not just to protect themselves, but their customers as well.  For all we know, the delivery person is one of the 86% of people that are infectious but show little or no symptoms.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 29, 2020, 09:39:39 PM
Some kid came knocking on our door and for some reason Onion #1 thought it would be a great idea to open the door! The kid said he was doing a school project and I told Kass to say no thanks and shut the door. I think the kid was flat out lying and I also want to slap the parents of this kid.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 30, 2020, 12:20:18 AM
Yes, be careful with people who are going door to door. I read that some scammers are going door to door to try to steal things or sell fake cures or tests:

https://www.ktvu.com/news/police-warn-about-door-to-door-coronavirus-scams
https://www.localdvm.com/news/maryland/covid-19-door-knocking-scam-in-allegany-and-garrett-counties/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 30, 2020, 08:58:13 AM
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The San Diego Sheriff has said publicly that they don't have the manpower to enforce the mandate, so they aren't even trying at this point.  When the San Diego mayor was asked about an enforcement issue, he sidestepped it by referring back to what the Sheriff said so that it's not an issue.  I don't think the authorities want to confront people.  They want voluntary cooperation for now.

That tracks with what I've seen on my motorcycle rides. I took a drive along the north beaches on sunday.

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Regarding grocery shopping, here is the latest study about how long covid lives on surfaces and what in the house can kill it.  To my surprise, the surface it lives the longest on is a face mask.  Since a mask is so fibrous, I thought it would be similar to paper or cloth.  It's not.  The outside is still infectious after 7 days.  Steel and plastic can be infectious up to 7 days.  So I'm upping my grocery isolation to 7 days from 4 to err on the side of caution.

This study hasn't been peer reviewed and thus not published, so keep that in mind.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.15.20036673v2


I'm comfortable following this advice with some slight modifications. I do use quarantine as an option if the item can tolerate it and I don't need it asap ;)

https://youtu.be/sjDuwc9KBps
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: mark on March 30, 2020, 10:28:36 AM
We live close to beaches and right around the corner from a large county park and the closures have had a noticeable impact. No force on earth is going to keep surfers and mountain bikers from going about their day but closing the parking lots, etc mean most people aren't driving in anymore.

We've started doing Zoom happy hours, if only to see some different faces :)

Our neighbors daughter turned 21 yesterday, they couldn't have a party of course so instead her friends got dressed up, decorated their cars and made a parade of sorts up and down the street.

My son starts his college spring quarter today, he's less excited about that. Though my daughter has taken to remote learning like a fish to water.

As for me, well I finally got past Candy Crush level 3315.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 30, 2020, 10:58:21 AM
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We live close to beaches and right around the corner from a large county park and the closures have had a noticeable impact. No force on earth is going to keep surfers and mountain bikers from going about their day but closing the parking lots, etc mean most people aren't driving in anymore.


yeah, i've noticed that LOL
same goes for road bikers & motorcycle riders! I am grateful the cops aren't giving those of us who do solitary activity outside, a hard time.

the people i feel sorry for are gym folks, especially if they can't run due to knees. They are going crazy.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 30, 2020, 01:39:47 PM
My friend said that Kansas has a 5pm curfew and you have to carry a paper that says you are essential. I heard rumors but now heard it first hand.

It's a smaller place there, so I figure that's how they can do it. Big metro places, I have no idea how they are going to keep people from gathering. Did you hear about the church in Florida?!?!??? I think the sheriff is going to arrest the pastor.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 30, 2020, 02:02:50 PM
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It's a smaller place there, so I figure that's how they can do it. Big metro places, I have no idea how they are going to keep people from gathering. Did you hear about the church in Florida?!?!??? I think the sheriff is going to arrest the pastor.

He's already arrested.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-florida-pastor-arrested-tampa-florida-church-jammed-sunday-service-despite-pandemic/

There's also a church in Louisiana with the same problem.  They had a service with 1200 people.  I don't think that will be allowed to go on much longer since the Governor of Louisiana talked about the problem himself.  I don't see him letting them continue to defy the order.  Especially since they are the up and coming hotspot.

As for enforcement, some places are more aggressive about enforcement already.  They are going door to door looking for New Yorkers.  In big cities, it may get to the point where the military is deployed to enforce stay at home.  That had to happen in Spain and Italy.

Please people, do as an ER doc has pleaded "Stay the F home."
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 01, 2020, 06:54:02 AM
The San Diego convention center is being used to house the homeless.  They are moving people into the convention center today. There's also talk of setting up a mobile hospital in SD.
According to news 10 abc, the peak in SD/CA will happen around April 25th & we're on track to have enough hospital beds.

There's also reports that a cruse ship knowingly hid an Covid infected person so they could disembarked passengers here in SD.

One more, i don't know how much play the carrier USS Roosevelt is getting in the rest of the country but it's getting a fair amount of airtime here due to SD being it's home port. The # of infected sailors has jumped from 3 to 200. I believe i heard the higher-ups have denied a request from the captain to disembark 90% of the sailors so they could maintain the 6' distancing.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 01, 2020, 12:23:01 PM
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There's also reports that a cruse ship knowingly hid an Covid infected person so they could disembarked passengers here in SD.

Looks like they did.  They reported no cases of covid so they could dock.  When they docked a passenger was taken away by ambulance.  If I remember the reporting that morning correctly, it was said that the passenger was taken away for reasons unrelated to covid.  Then yesterday as people were disembarking the news was released, that passenger and 3 crew members tested positive for covid.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 02, 2020, 05:47:19 PM
California and San Diego now recommend that people wear a mask or other face covering when out.  The news in San Diego was good today.  Certain indicators like the number of people with a fever are going down.  The hospitals themselves are in good shape.  Here's an article published today about one of the big hospital operators in San Diego County.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/02/san-diego-hospital-prepares-for-slow-moving-tsunami-of-coronavirus-cases-as-supplies-run-short.html

On another note, the captain of the aircraft carrier that publicly called for help because of the outbreak on board has been relieved of duty.

Oh yeah, the Sheriff today said to report people violating the rules to law enforcement.  $1000 fine and/or 6 months in prison.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 02, 2020, 07:01:57 PM
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On another note, the captain of the aircraft carrier that publicly called for help because of the outbreak on board has been relieved of duty.

i do not get that.... perhaps a reprimand but relieved of duty? that smacks of the higher up's not taking this seriously
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Devorah on April 02, 2020, 08:41:28 PM
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i do not get that.... perhaps a reprimand but relieved of duty? that smacks of the higher up's not taking this seriously
They said he broke the chain of command by making his public statement without going through the proper channels.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on April 02, 2020, 11:35:49 PM
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i do not get that.... perhaps a reprimand but relieved of duty? that smacks of the higher up's not taking this seriously
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the decision, but I don't think it means that they're not taking this seriously. I think it's quite the opposite. I think going outside the chain of command and going public might have been seen by the higher-ups as alerting other nations that we have an important asset that might not be at full readiness. It might also be seen as unnecessarily making our own citizens nervous that our military as a whole may be in a weakened position (this can't be the only vessel in this situation). I do have to think that this commander had to be in a very tough spot. He had to know that going public would get him relieved of duty, so he must have been desperate to get the people under his command the help they needed, and he saw no other way. Things must be very bad on this ship for him to throw away his career to save his people.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 02, 2020, 11:51:14 PM
thx @mickeyjack3 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2125) & @Devorah (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=283) that makes sense
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 03, 2020, 12:26:22 AM
How good are people at staying home?  Google spying has an answer for that.  Google has launched a website showing how mobile people are.  I was surprised that there's not much difference across the states.  The states with mandatory stay at home orders aren't that different from the states without it.  Overall, the United States is not doing a very good job.  Even Brazil who's President doesn't take covid seriously at all is better at staying at home.  Europe is much better at staying home, particularly Italy and Spain.  But even France, Germany and the UK are really up there.

https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 03, 2020, 12:34:47 AM
it doesn't seem as tho the Comfort & Mercy are going to be much help.   :(


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[the] Navy hospital ship, the U.S.N.S. Mercy, docked in Los Angeles, has had a total of 15 patients ...

A tangle of military protocols and bureaucratic hurdles has prevented the Comfort [docked in nyc] from accepting many patients at all.
On top of its strict rules preventing people infected with the virus from coming on board, the Navy is also refusing to treat a host of other conditions. Guidelines disseminated to hospitals included a list of 49 medical conditions that would exclude a patient from admittance to the ship.

Ambulances cannot take patients directly to the Comfort; they must first deliver patients to a city hospital for a lengthy evaluation — including a test for the virus — and then pick them up again for transport to the ship.

At a morning briefing on Thursday, officials said three patients had been moved to the Comfort. After The New York Times published an article with that number, Elizabeth Baker, a spokeswoman for the Navy, said the number had increased to 20 by late in the day. “We’re bringing them on as fast as we can bring them on,” she said.

Hospital leaders said they were exasperated by the delays.


more;

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/nyregion/ny-coronavirus-usns-comfort.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR02Tx8h_LXocVSfw5Se20gwGrGsnBqF4JlRRmwPVEC5Plk3OZoQHMmXFZg
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 03, 2020, 08:18:58 AM
Staying at home is also income related.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/us/coronavirus-stay-home-rich-poor.html?smtyp=cur&smid=fb-nytimes
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 03, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
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I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the decision, but I don't think it means that they're not taking this seriously. I think it's quite the opposite. I think going outside the chain of command and going public might have been seen by the higher-ups as alerting other nations that we have an important asset that might not be at full readiness. It might also be seen as unnecessarily making our own citizens nervous that our military as a whole may be in a weakened position (this can't be the only vessel in this situation). I do have to think that this commander had to be in a very tough spot. He had to know that going public would get him relieved of duty, so he must have been desperate to get the people under his command the help they needed, and he saw no other way. Things must be very bad on this ship for him to throw away his career to save his people.

He didn't go public.  He wrote an internal memo and sent it up the chain of command.  The only problem was that he skipped a link in the chain, the guy right above him.  His internal memo was leaked publicly.  So the Navy removed him because they felt that he couldn't command effectively because he was so emotional about the lives of the people he was responsible for.  This is how those people that were under his command feel about what he did.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/sailors-give-captain-raucous-send-off-after-he-is-relieved-over-coronavirus-letter/vi-BB128cte
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on April 03, 2020, 02:14:26 PM
This kind of tracking data, while appearing helpful at this time, feels uncomfortable. :-[
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 03, 2020, 02:17:09 PM
imnsho, the navy got two black eyes recently, the first due to dismissing the Roosevelt's captain and second due to the lack of actual help the two hospitals ships are providing.

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This kind of tracking data, while appearing helpful at this time, feels uncomfortable. :-[
yeah, I've seen tracking due to phone signals but this takes it to a new level of big brother
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 03, 2020, 07:34:05 PM


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We live close to beaches and right around the corner from a large county park and the closures have had a noticeable impact. No force on earth is going to keep surfers and mountain bikers from going about their day but closing the parking lots, ....

San Diego banned surfing at public beaches.
I'm keeping my trunk attached to my bike so I can always say I'm foraging for food

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 04, 2020, 06:02:26 PM
a comfortable looking, no sew method to make a mask from an old t-shirt

https://youtu.be/hVEVve-3QeM?t=406
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on April 05, 2020, 09:23:17 AM
That's a great video.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 05, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
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That's a great video.

thx, luv the repurposing of something we all have. I'm going to dig out a free-be con giveaway shirt i never will wear & convert it. Love the idea of using a paper towel as a filter.

oh and with thanks to everyone, especially @Devorah (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=283) - i remembered to apply all the ninjaF5'ing skills to getting an amazon fresh food delivery spot!! I feel like i just won the lottery. and i have fresh veg for supper tonight #happyMe!

I got freaked out by a homeless person who kept approaching me in a parking lot as i sat on my bike last time i went to the store.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 05, 2020, 09:56:32 PM
I worry that Fauci won't be on the task force or possibly at his post period much longer.  It's infamous what happens to people that contradict the President.  Today at the briefing, he was pushed off to the side and Trump wouldn't let him answer a question directly asked to him.  There's also this report of a dust up about the same issue behind the scenes.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-white-house-01306286-0bbc-4042-9bfe-890413c6220d.html?stream=politics
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on April 06, 2020, 08:30:22 AM
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I worry that Fauci won't be on the task force or possibly at his post period much longer.  It's infamous what happens to people that contradict the President.  Today at the briefing, he was pushed off to the side and Trump wouldn't let him answer a question directly asked to him.  There's also this report of a dust up about the same issue behind the scenes.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-white-house-01306286-0bbc-4042-9bfe-890413c6220d.html?stream=politics

Yes, a huge concern. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 06, 2020, 01:11:25 PM
I have to think Trump will keep Fauchi on board till we get through the the hump of the outbreak. Then he will be fired in a similar way the Intelligence Community IG Atkinson was fired last week.

Cali is loaning 500 vent's to the fed stockpile. They will be used back east in hot spots. According to gov Newsom
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2020, 02:02:42 PM
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Cali is loaning 500 vent's to the fed stockpile. They will be used back east in hot spots. According to gov Newsom

California has done well stocking up.  Trump bragged that he was able to get 7 million N95 masks for the federal stockpile.  At the same time, Newsom got 10 Million masks for the California stockpile. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on April 06, 2020, 05:24:24 PM
I have to go back to my office tomorrow after a two week paid leave, and I'm a bit wigged out. They laid off 2 departments and offered to let others go. 70% came back. Higher than they expected. People are already back and hardly anyone is wearing a mask.

I'm so happy I'm sitting here listening to the rain. Nice and calming. Cross fingers a baby Yoda miracle happens and they say I can work from home.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 06, 2020, 05:56:59 PM
I have to commend Gov. Newsom for doing a good job. I was concerned earlier that CA had a huge backlog of pending results but it looks like they got that fixed. It looks like shelter in place is working well in CA.  Hopefully he can continue getting more PPE for the health care workers on the frontline.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 07, 2020, 12:37:43 PM
In the continuing saga with the aircraft carrier, the acting Navy secretary just resigned.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on April 07, 2020, 12:42:02 PM
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In the continuing saga with the aircraft carrier, the acting Navy secretary just resigned.
Good!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 07, 2020, 04:48:35 PM
I am grateful my classes are starting. It's easier to say home when I've got fun stuff to occupy my mind.

I highly recommend avoiding news and getting involved In a project.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 09, 2020, 09:59:17 PM
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AMC Theatres — whose business has effectively shut down because of the coronavirus pandemic — looks increasingly likely to file for bankruptcy with its cash reserves dwindling, according to Wall Street analysts.

In a report Thursday, MKM Partners analyst Eric Handler wrote, “Based on our view that theatres will be closed until at least August and our belief that AMC lacks the liquidity to stay afloat until that time, we expect the company will soon be faced with filing for bankruptcy.”....
https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/amc-theatres-bankruptcy-likely-1234575780/

 :( :(
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Post by: Miclpea on April 10, 2020, 03:58:20 AM
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https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/amc-theatres-bankruptcy-likely-1234575780/

 :( :(
If the theaters stay closed until August, how can you possibly have SDCC?


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: vegasndn on April 10, 2020, 10:29:56 AM
Here in Las Vegas all casinos are shut down and we haven’t been to the the strip, friends have sent pics of a dark empty Las Vegas Blvd and it’s eerie. People still out and about in town, restaurants are delivering curbside. We’ve used this a couple times along with some food delivery services. Sometimes we get tired of home cooked meals so we order out.

Yesterday we went to Palace Station casino for some free food giving away by Theee Square food bank, it was a drive thru so we stayed in car and food put in trunk for us by volunteers. Today we ordered movie theater popcorn curbside pick from Galaxy theaters.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 13, 2020, 12:08:18 PM
"Trump retweets call to fire Fauci"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/13/trump-retweets-call-to-fire-fauci/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 13, 2020, 01:49:45 PM
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"Trump retweets call to fire Fauci"

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/13/trump-retweets-call-to-fire-fauci/

i have to think Trump is following the polling and won't fire Fauci-- until all of this is over with.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on April 13, 2020, 01:56:29 PM
Trump can remove him from the task force but he cannot fire him since Fauci is a civil servant. Also, Fauci has maxed his retirement amount and could leave anytime and make at least twice as much in the private sector. This is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service being taunted by Voldemort. Where is Harry Potter when you need him? Maybe Fauci is Harry Potter in disguise!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Devorah on April 13, 2020, 01:59:50 PM
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i have to think Trump is following the polling and won't fire Fauci-- until all of this is over with.

White House made statement today that Trump is not planning to remove him.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 13, 2020, 02:13:44 PM
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....This is a man who has devoted his entire life to public service being taunted by Voldemort. Where is Harry Potter when you need him? Maybe Fauci is Harry Potter in disguise!

tell us how you really feel. LOL
borderline political there ...  ;)

in other news did anyone else see the reports about the Roosevelt in today's NYTimes? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/coronavirus-roosevelt-carrier-crozier.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 13, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
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White House made statement today that Trump is not planning to remove him.

That's happened with other people.  Then Trump fires them anyways.

Something else that's happened with other people is happening with Fauci as I write this.  They start walking back what they said.  At the daily briefing, generally Trump speaks for an hour before letting anyone else speak.  But today he has Fauci come up first to walk back his comments from yesterday that led to the fire Fauci retweet.
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Post by: Miclpea on April 13, 2020, 04:51:21 PM
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tell us how you really feel. LOL
borderline political there ...  ;)

in other news did anyone else see the reports about the Roosevelt in today's NYTimes? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/coronavirus-roosevelt-carrier-crozier.html
Voldemort’s Reality Distortion Spell made me do it!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on April 13, 2020, 08:17:48 PM
I traded paper towels for tomato sauce! I hear another store has some, but I'm doing my best to limit going out, so this worked out great! My friend/neighbor/coworker and my daughter.

I know someone that was visiting her folks every day and she just tested positive for the virus. Now her folks are exposed. Look, stay home. I miss my daughter and friends too. I'm stuck seeing my knucklehead co-workers that go to....and I'm not making this up....."social distancing Easter supper party". Yeah. One of they people in attendance just had a heart attack and had stints put in about a month ago.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on April 13, 2020, 09:13:01 PM
https://youtu.be/kgzFAdYwYLM
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 14, 2020, 12:52:06 PM
I find that I don't know what day it is.  It happens a lot.  Today, I thought it was Sunday until I turned on the TV and the news said it's Tuesday.  It is Tuesday right?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: accelerate on April 14, 2020, 01:08:03 PM
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I find that I don't know what day it is.  It happens a lot.  Today, I thought it was Sunday until I turned on the TV and the news said it's Tuesday.  It is Tuesday right?
https://twitter.com/chrishannon/status/1248352052935364608?s=21

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on April 14, 2020, 02:07:21 PM
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I find that I don't know what day it is.  It happens a lot.  Today, I thought it was Sunday until I turned on the TV and the news said it's Tuesday.  It is Tuesday right?

If it weren't for the fact that I'm working from home, I'd be in your boat. Over the weekend I completely mix up days and then time seems be completely all over the place. One day work goes right by, despite my not having tons to do, some times it takes forever. Some times my free time goes to slowly and other times not.

My sense of time and dates are so screwy. Reminds me of when I was in recovery from major surgeries and was house bound for the most part.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: AzT on April 16, 2020, 10:05:26 AM
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/in-person-gatherings-for-san-diego-pride-2020-canceled/2307084/

https://sdpride.org/ourpride/

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 16, 2020, 07:07:17 PM
I left the property today for the first time in about a month.  I didn't go anywhere, I just drove down to Costco and back.  Windows up all the way.  The great news is that there is no longer a line to get into my Costco.  The barricades are still up but there's no line at all.  At some point I might have to make another pharmacy run.

Just as last month, things didn't seem very locked down.  If I didn't know we were locked down, I wouldn't have guessed.  There was still plenty of cars out.  Traffic on the highway seemed the same as any other weekday afternoon.  There were less cars at the shopping centers but they were far from empty.  The local microbrew is still advertising it's late afternoon drink specials.  Groups of teenagers were still being groups of teenagers.

A few people were wearing masks.  About half of them had them on under their chins including the driver of the bus that went by at an intersection.  I hear it doesn't work as well in that position.  90% of people weren't wearing masks.

I need to at least pop my head out and have a look outside the house every couple of days.  Someone used the side of the property as a dump.  That never used to happen in my neighborhood but now it's common to see mattresses or sofas dumped randomly about.  I saw it as I was driving away.  It makes me so mad.

On another note, San Diego is setting high standards for itself.  Today at the daily briefing they compared San Diego to Singapore.  The goal is to match Singapore's success.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on April 16, 2020, 08:22:28 PM
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A few people were wearing masks.  About half of them had them on under their chins including the driver of the bus that went by at an intersection.  I hear it doesn't work as well in that position.  90% of people weren't wearing masks.

So the thing with the homemade masks (not sure if that's what the bus driver was wearing, though) is that they really don't do anything to keep you from GETTING the virus. What they DO work at is limiting how far the virus will go if the mask-wearer is contagious. So a bus driver wouldn't really need to wear one all the time, only when he is interacting with passengers. And it gets pretty hot and uncomfortable wearing one, so I don't blame him for getting some fresh air during times where the only thing he's infecting is his windshield.

This is also important when it comes to all the people who say they refuse to wear a mask. Again, the mask wearing is meant to protect people FROM the mask wearer. If everyone wore masks, everyone would be more protected because there would be no non-wearers spewing the virus 6 feet. So people who flat out refuse to wear a mask are, knowingly or not, essentially saying that their comfort is more important than the health and safety of the people they come into contact with.

I don't like wearing a mask. I have an aversion to things covering my face. I never pull my bedcovers over my head, because I literally can't. I also hate how they pull on my ears. But I still wear a mask. I'm not going to be the one to infect someone else.

For people like me: I've been putting some peppermint oil under my nose before wearing mine (I have a roll-on one so I don't have to touch my face). It really helps me breathe while I have it on. (Of course, test it out on your arm or something before you put it on your face if you've never used it before, to make sure it doesn't cause skin irritation)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 16, 2020, 10:35:40 PM
I have a cloth mask that I got from Taiwan last year to help with their smog issues and I could barely wear it when I first tried it on since it was hard to breathe. But once I forced myself to wear it more, I got used it to now and I can probably wear one for at least an hour straight on before taking a break. Surgical masks do seem easier to breathe through but it gets kind of too moist after over 1-2 hrs of wear. I think we all will have to just get used to it at this point. There are some cities now like Fremont that require masks to be worn at all essential businesses. I wouldn't be surprised if more cities start enforcing that too.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 16, 2020, 11:41:33 PM
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So the thing with the homemade masks (not sure if that's what the bus driver was wearing, though) is that they really don't do anything to keep you from GETTING the virus. What they DO work at is limiting how far the virus will go if the mask-wearer is contagious. So a bus driver wouldn't really need to wear one all the time, only when he is interacting with passengers. And it gets pretty hot and uncomfortable wearing one, so I don't blame him for getting some fresh air during times where the only thing he's infecting is his windshield.

That's the point of the general public wearing masks home made cloth or P100.  It's to limit spreading covid, not so much to keep from getting it.  If that was the goal then people should wear googles as well.  Since wearing a mask without protecting the eyes is only a half measure.

A bus driver should wear his mask all the time.  Whether there are passengers on board or not.  Since if he's sick he'll be depositing micro droplets all over the bus.  In an enclosed space micro droplets don't disperse and can linger in the air filling up the entire space.  Then anyone who comes on board and touches any surface on the bus will get contaminated.  That 6 foot number they bring up is a rough minimum guideline.  Years ago MIT did an experiment and a sneeze can go 200 feet.  You get used to wearing a mask.  I can wear one 24/7.  I wear one 24/7 when I'm sick so that I don't get other people sick.  In fact, I feel weird not wearing a mask after a few days of wearing one.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 22, 2020, 05:52:07 PM
Fauci finally made an appearance today after being missing in action since last week.  Then he went to the mic and directly contradicted what Trump just said.  Also the CDC director was called up first to fall on his sword for the comments he made yesterday, then he proceeded to restate what he said yesterday.  If we lose any more of the top leadership of scientists working on covid, it will be a disaster.  Trump already "reassigned" the top scientist in charge of the US effort to develop a vaccine.  18-24 months was aspirational if everything went absolutely perfectly.  Dismissing the person in charge of that effort won't help.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 23, 2020, 07:22:51 AM
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Fauci finally made an appearance today after being missing in action since last week.  Then he went to the mic and directly contradicted what Trump just said.  Also the CDC director was called up first to fall on his sword for the comments he made yesterday, then he proceeded to restate what he said yesterday.  If we lose any more of the top leadership of scientists working on covid, it will be a disaster.  Trump already "reassigned" the top scientist in charge of the US effort to develop a vaccine.  18-24 months was aspirational if everything went absolutely perfectly.  Dismissing the person in charge of that effort won't help.

tbh, i've stopped listening to the fed. gov. Way to much needless drama. With all the 'gut following' nothing gets done so in reality, it has no bearing on my life.
I pay attention to the highlights of my Gov's policy and of course my mayor's plans. Thankfully they follow the science.
i guess i've resigned myself to the new normal.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 23, 2020, 07:28:13 AM
I'm with Alyssa. I only watch Governor Hogan, I don't pay any attention to what Trump says.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 23, 2020, 10:12:28 AM
At the risk of being obvious to those folks who have a good understanding of the math, (not me) this was interesting.
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Zero on April 23, 2020, 06:38:24 PM
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At the risk of being obvious to those folks who have a good understanding of the math, (not me) this was interesting.
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That's actually a good analogy to explain it and look at it... Unfortunately, the reality of this viral pandemic means that that's already true for many people around the world.  It's a very sobering message.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 24, 2020, 08:40:03 PM
Yeah I agree. Even if the real death rate is like 0.5%, seeing how contagious the virus is, if it affects 50-100 million Americans, that's still 250-500K dead people in this country in less than a year. Not to mention that if too many people get infected in a city at once, the death rate would rise due to the finite number of ICU beds/treatment per city. I noticed that some still keep trying to compare it to the flu and how 0.5% death rate isn't any worse than the flu death rate. They don't understand you can't compare them right now with the outbreak still ongoing with no end in sight right now. Not only that, we still have this death rate while having shelter in place rules. Imagine how deadly the outbreak would be if we didn't have shelter in place. We'd be like Italy with their 10% death rate.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 25, 2020, 07:34:44 AM
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.... we still have this death rate while having shelter in place rules. Imagine how deadly the outbreak would be if we didn't have shelter in place. We'd be like Italy with their 10% death rate.
Good point

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 25, 2020, 11:46:56 AM
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Imagine how deadly the outbreak would be if we didn't have shelter in place. We'd be like Italy with their 10% death rate.

I don't think it's fair to use Italy as an example of not sheltering in place and thus a high mortality rate.  They do stay home.  In fact, by looking at the mobility numbers, they are much better at sheltering in place than the US.  Just like it's not fair to use South Korea as an example of not sheltering in place.  They don't and their mortality rate is the lowest.

All the infection numbers don't mean much right now.  They are all wrong.  We don't have enough testing for them to be accurate.  They are all low.  The number of people infected is much higher than the reported numbers.  Right now, only visibly sick people qualify to be tested in much of the world.  Right now, only the people that die in hospitals are counted towards covid mortality.  Gov. Cuomo clearly says that because of that, the reported mortality rate is low in NYC.  He says that people that die at home aren't counted right now.

In the end, the number of people found to be infected will be orders higher than the reported numbers now.  The number of deaths will be higher as well but will not jump as much.  Because of that, the real mortality rate is much lower than it's reported anywhere in the world right now.  Even the low that South Korea has.

In no way am I saying we shouldn't shelter in place.  If you've read any of my posts about the matter, I am a lock the gate and deadbolt the door stay in placer.  I really wish other people were too.  Around me, I don't see much of that.

I think the authorities should set the proper expectations.  We won't wake up one day and covid will be gone.  That's not going to happen.  It's here to stay.  It's something we will have to live with.  It's something we'll have to mitigate going forward.  Even a vaccine will not knock it out.  No vaccine is 100% effective.  No vaccine is taken by 100% of the people.  In the US, less than half the population gets a flu vaccine.  It will be like the cold and the flu.  It will be something we'll have to live with.  Something as contagious as the cold and as deadly as the flu.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on April 25, 2020, 06:13:45 PM
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Because of that, the real mortality rate is much lower than it's reported anywhere in the world right now.  Even the low that South Korea has.




I think they need to look at the percent of the population that die from the virus rather than the percent of people infected who die from the virus. Although a low percentage might die if infected, a high percentage of the population might die at the top of the curve because it is so contagious that an outrageous number of people get it (and a small percentage of an outrageous number is a big number) and because of factors such as the number of ventilators. Even if it were very survivable with ventilators, it may not be survivable because of the lack of ventilators. Add to that the number of people who indirectly die of it because they do not have COVID-19 but need ventilators. That is how we might end up like Italy.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on April 25, 2020, 09:43:52 PM
This is long but interesting.  This conversation was posted April 23, 2020. Irishman John Doyle is one of Europe’s leading minds considering what the coming years will be like. He is a member of the EU Foresight Commission. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=PlZhQJBZ574&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=PlZhQJBZ574&app=desktop)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 26, 2020, 12:55:38 AM
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I don't think it's fair to use Italy as an example of not sheltering in place and thus a high mortality rate.  They do stay home.  In fact, by looking at the mobility numbers, they are much better at sheltering in place than the US.  Just like it's not fair to use South Korea as an example of not sheltering in place.  They don't and their mortality rate is the lowest.

All the infection numbers don't mean much right now.  They are all wrong.  We don't have enough testing for them to be accurate.  They are all low.  The number of people infected is much higher than the reported numbers.  Right now, only visibly sick people qualify to be tested in much of the world.  Right now, only the people that die in hospitals are counted towards covid mortality.  Gov. Cuomo clearly says that because of that, the reported mortality rate is low in NYC.  He says that people that die at home aren't counted right now.

In the end, the number of people found to be infected will be orders higher than the reported numbers now.  The number of deaths will be higher as well but will not jump as much.  Because of that, the real mortality rate is much lower than it's reported anywhere in the world right now.  Even the low that South Korea has.

In no way am I saying we shouldn't shelter in place.  If you've read any of my posts about the matter, I am a lock the gate and deadbolt the door stay in placer.  I really wish other people were too.  Around me, I don't see much of that.

I think the authorities should set the proper expectations.  We won't wake up one day and covid will be gone.  That's not going to happen.  It's here to stay.  It's something we will have to live with.  It's something we'll have to mitigate going forward.  Even a vaccine will not knock it out.  No vaccine is 100% effective.  No vaccine is taken by 100% of the people.  In the US, less than half the population gets a flu vaccine.  It will be like the cold and the flu.  It will be something we'll have to live with.  Something as contagious as the cold and as deadly as the flu.

I used Italy as an example because it took them awhile to start shelter in place. They also were not compliant in the beginning either when their government started setting rules. Their restrictions became tighter than ours, yes, but only because their death rate was insane. But you're right, their rate may not be the most accurate but it's really more because of their older population. But the point is, if we don't have shelter in place, the numbers could go out of control again. And we definitely can't compare the death rate of the flu vs this virus due to the uniqueness of this virus.

I'm not actually obsessed with the mortality rate compared to most who argue for and against shelter in place. I see the overall numbers of death as more significant.  Like the idea that if 250-500k Americans can potentially die from this virus because of the potential 50-100 million infections, that's way too high to me. I'm for shelter in place but I also think both financially and mental/body health-wise we can't continue it for too much longer. I just found out  today a co-worker of mine passed away earlier in the week, most likely not from covid since she didn't leave her apt for 6 weeks but probably from other underlying health conditions that weren't treated due to fear of catching covid if you go to hospitals right now. It made me realize that even if people could survive financially on unemployment benefits for awhile, the constant fear-mongering is not necessarily going to help everyone survive if they push people to neglect their mental and systemic health.

I agree that authorities should set proper expectations. I also think they should consider the locality of each region, how well the outbreak is controlled in each region and base their shelter in place regulations on these numbers. For instance, the Bay Area is doing really well in flattening the curve. They should start considering opening parks/trails/beaches and allow some non-essential businesses to open while making sure people are still wearing masks and social distancing. They definitely need to start allowing hospitals to do elective surgeries and do regular exams and screenings. This neglect of other medical conditions other than covid is going to get more deadly from now on. From there, we can see how our numbers do, if we can maintain flattening the curve. With LA, since they're not doing as well, they may need to continue shelter in place rules for longer than the Bay Area.

I'm not pessimistic as you about potential vaccine or drug treatments. I believe in our scientific process and our scientific technology. The problem we have right now, in the US at least, is that we were caught with our pants down but with enough time, we'll finally figure out which drugs work the best to help save lives. Either that or we'll finally come out with vaccines that can protect most from the virus. We might need yearly vaccines, yes. No drugs or vaccines are ever going to be perfect but with time, we'll figure out the way to control the outbreak.

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This is long but interesting.  This conversation was posted April 23, 2020. Irishman John Doyle is one of Europe’s leading minds considering what the coming years will be like. He is a member of the EU Foresight Commission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=PlZhQJBZ574&app=desktop

I admit, I'm not sure how to take these 'end of normal' ideas. How do you feel about his ideas?  Some of these ideas about permanent public social distancing seem anti-human nature to me.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on April 26, 2020, 11:43:08 AM
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I admit, I'm not sure how to take these 'end of normal' ideas. How do you feel about his ideas?  Some of these ideas about permanent public social distancing seem anti-human nature to me.

I really really really hope he is wrong.  Only time will tell, of course, but he sounds pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 26, 2020, 11:57:11 AM
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I used Italy as an example because it took them awhile to start shelter in place. They also were not compliant in the beginning either when their government started setting rules.

Italy started city wide lockdowns earlier in their curve than we did.  Then they went national.  We haven't.  As I mentioned in my last post, based on mobility data, they are more compliant with staying at home than we are or have been.  Some countries that don't even have government mandated lockdowns are more compliant than the US.

The reason that Italy's mortality rate is so high is because of demographics.  It's where it hit.  It hit in small towns in Italy.  Like much of the world, small towns are mainly inhabited by older people.  The young move to cities.  So it hit in what amounted to big nursing homes.  Mortality in a concentrated elderly population is high anywhere in the world.

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I'm not pessimistic as you about potential vaccine or drug treatments. I believe in our scientific process and our scientific technology.

I'm not pessimistic about a vaccine or treatments.  I'm realistic.  Science isn't a popularity contest.  It isn't persuaded by heartfelt speeches.  It's about the facts.  The last thing we need in a crisis is to waste time on mindless diversions.  We need to focus on things that may work, not waste resources on things based on Trump's gut or the number of social media likes.  There is a reason drugs are approved based on science and not by popular vote.  If you truly believe in the scientific process, you wouldn't either.  There was no reason to think that chloroquine would work.  Quite the contrary.  Legitimate virologists that expressed an opinion, thought it was a wild goose chase.  It was.  Like I said, it was evaluated during SARS.  SARS is a very similar virus.  The scientific name for covid is SARS 2.  If it didn't work for SARS 1, why would it work for SARS 2?  All the people, money and time wasted on that pointless diversion could have been spent on something that has promise.  Instead it was wasted just to mollify a small but vocal mob.

The results of the large New York study should be out next week.  The researchers turned the results over to federal government a while ago.  It's been held up there.  If chloroquine worked, I'm pretty sure that Trump would have done a victory lap by now.  The fact that it's being held back, probably says all that needs to be said.  The researchers have said that if the federal government doesn't release the results in about a week, they will.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 26, 2020, 09:28:51 PM
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I really really really hope he is wrong.  Only time will tell, of course, but he sounds pretty reasonable.

I think what we should really question is our cultural norms. Like in our own country, we can see that not having universal health care can be financially dangerous for many people. There really is no logic to tying health care coverage to employment. I think we can also question the idea of liberty and freedom like in the case of those protesting against the shutdowns. Should we have the freedom to infect others if we're sick or asymptomatic? Or should infected people be locked up temporarily if they refuse to self-quarantine? By what I've read about contact tracing in other countries, what they do is against our HIPAA laws. How important is protecting our health privacy vs protecting others from known infected individuals?  So I think we can definitely question a lot of our norms with this pandemic.

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I'm not pessimistic about a vaccine or treatments.  I'm realistic.  Science isn't a popularity contest.  It isn't persuaded by heartfelt speeches.  It's about the facts.  The last thing we need in a crisis is to waste time on mindless diversions.  We need to focus on things that may work, not waste resources on things based on Trump's gut or the number of social media likes.  There is a reason drugs are approved based on science and not by popular vote.  If you truly believe in the scientific process, you wouldn't either.  There was no reason to think that chloroquine would work.  Quite the contrary.  Legitimate virologists that expressed an opinion, thought it was a wild goose chase.  It was.  Like I said, it was evaluated during SARS.  SARS is a very similar virus.  The scientific name for covid is SARS 2.  If it didn't work for SARS 1, why would it work for SARS 2?  All the people, money and time wasted on that pointless diversion could have been spent on something that has promise.  Instead it was wasted just to mollify a small but vocal mob.

The results of the large New York study should be out next week.  The researchers turned the results over to federal government a while ago.  It's been held up there.  If chloroquine worked, I'm pretty sure that Trump would have done a victory lap by now.  The fact that it's being held back, probably says all that needs to be said.  The researchers have said that if the federal government doesn't release the results in about a week, they will.

I think you're still confused about the origin of why hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine was seen as a potential covid treatment. The interest in the drug started way before Trump's bloviations. There was an article I read on nature.com that talked about the potential drug treatments back in Feb before the HCQ craze started:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00003-1

The previous interest in the drug came from multiple positive in vitro studies that showed HCQ could be a potential antiviral and that it's a zinc ionophore. With the first SARs virus outbreak, HCQ was one of the drugs they were trying to use in China. So I disagree that this was a  "mindless diversion." There were good reasons why they were trying the drug out. Does it mean that the drug works? No, there's no good studies that show it does. But it's wrong to say that the initial interest in the drug was wrong.

You're also wrong to assume that the original SARs virus infection is so similar to the covid infection to assume that a drug that didn't work for original SARs must mean it wouldn't work for covid too. Look at this article that talks about the genetic differences between the two viruses.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7138183/

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The receptor-binding domain of SARS-CoV-2 has a higher affinity for ACE2, while it is a lower affinity for SARS-CoV

They're pretty much two different types of infections.

Here's another example of what can be seen as an initial "mindless diversion":

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus

There's no proof that famotidine will work of course but why not try it? They seem to have some scientific thought to it. My point is that you can't judge drugs on the surface. There's been many drugs that were originally made to treat one disease but then found to help with other diseases/conditions too. Even a drug like chloroquine was originally made to treat/prevent malaria and later on they found it to help with autoimmune conditions like lupus. Again I'm not saying that it means HCQ or any of these drugs will definitely work but if there's a scientific reason for it, they should test it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 26, 2020, 11:41:02 PM
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I think what we should really question is our cultural norms. Like in our own country, we can see that not having universal health care can be financially dangerous for many people. There really is no logic to tying health care coverage to employment. I think we can also question the idea of liberty and freedom like in the case of those protesting against the shutdowns. Should we have the freedom to infect others if we're sick or asymptomatic? Or should infected people be locked up temporarily if they refuse to self-quarantine? By what I've read about contact tracing in other countries, what they do is against our HIPAA laws. How important is protecting our health privacy vs protecting others from known infected individuals?  So I think we can definitely question a lot of our norms with this pandemic.

I think this pandemic has changed our country.  There's no going back.  Hopefully handshaking is in the past.  Just like how the Spanish Flu cut down spitting in the US.  Before that, Americans were world class spitters.  Spittoons weren't commonplace for no reason.

One thing it has shown is the need for everyone to have health care.  No one is an island.  If someone that doesn't have health care gets sick, then that will have repercussions for everyone.  The Trump administration's advice for people that lost their jobs was to apply for Obamacare.  A system that they had tried since coming into office to get rid of.  Now they are encouraging people to participate in it.

Contact tracing as proposed in Europe and the US does not violate HIPAA.  It's an opt in system.  Regardless, by not identifying people individually, HIPAA doesn't apply.  Our health information is commonly bought and sold.  As long as it's not personally identifiable, it's permitted under HIPAA.  The proposed contact tracing system wouldn't tell you who is sick, it would just tell you that you were in contact with some that was.

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I think you're still confused about the origin of why hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine was seen as a potential covid treatment. The interest in the drug started way before Trump's bloviations. There was an article I read on nature.com that talked about the potential drug treatments back in Feb before the HCQ craze started:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00003-1

I'm not the one that's confused.  That article doesn't promote chloroquine at all.  It doesn't even really talk about it.  It simply notes the investigations at the time into drug reuse.  One of which was chloroquine.

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The previous interest in the drug came from multiple positive in vitro studies that showed HCQ could be a potential antiviral and that it's a zinc ionophore. With the first SARs virus outbreak, HCQ was one of the drugs they were trying to use in China.

I've already made my cautions of applying what happens in a test tube to the real world.  I don't need to repeat them again.  As I said, it was looked at for SARS.  A very similar virus with a very similar spike protein.  It failed then, why would it work now?

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So I disagree that this was a  "mindless diversion." There were good reasons why they were trying the drug out. Does it mean that the drug works? No, there's no good studies that show it does. But it's wrong to say that the initial interest in the drug was wrong.

What are those "good reasons"?  So far what you've presented doesn't support that.

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You're also wrong to assume that the original SARs virus infection is so similar to the covid infection to assume that a drug that didn't work for original SARs must mean it wouldn't work for covid too.

Didn't you read the Nature article you linked to in your post?  To quote, "The general genomic layout and the general replication kinetics and the biology of the MERS, SARS and [SARS-CoV-2] viruses are very similar, so testing drugs which target relatively generic parts of these coronaviruses is a logical step,%u201D

SARS-CoV-1(SARS) and SARS-CoV-2(covid) are very similar.  How similar?  So similar that some of the vaccine candidates are SARS vaccines that never made it to market since SARS sputtered out.  In vitro, the SARS vaccines work as well on covid as SARS.  There's a reason that covid was named SARS 2.  It's not like they lacked imagination to name it something else.

https://communityimpact.com/houston/bellaire-meyerland-west-university/coronavirus/2020/04/13/baylor-texas-childrens-hospital-speed-up-covid-19-vaccine-development-by-building-on-sars-effort/

Treatment development relies on valid science.  Not anecdotes and random ideas going viral on social media.  Those should not be the drivers.  Drugs with dangerous side effects that are not shown to be effective for a condition should not be promoted for use with zeal.  When valid studies come out that show that some hyped up idea has failed, those valid studies should not be dismissed as a mainstream media conspiracy.  A critical part of the scientific method is acknowledging reality once it becomes clear no matter what your stand was beforehand.  That's the scientific process.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 28, 2020, 12:39:00 AM
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Contact tracing as proposed in Europe and the US does not violate HIPAA.  It's an opt in system.  Regardless, by not identifying people individually, HIPAA doesn't apply.  Our health information is commonly bought and sold.  As long as it's not personally identifiable, it's permitted under HIPAA.  The proposed contact tracing system wouldn't tell you who is sick, it would just tell you that you were in contact with some that was.

Some contact tracing procedures that other countries participate would violate HIPAA here. For instance, the South Korean and Singaporean contact tracing apps. Just the fact that they ping if you're near someone who's infected is a potential HIPAA violation. There's some discussion in these articles:

https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/4/10/21215267/covid-19-contact-tracing-apps-bluetooth-coronavirus-flaws-public-health
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-26/privacy-americans-trade-off-trace-coronavirus-contacts

The fact that you have to log in to your Apple or Google accounts to give them your health information is a bit scary. And I didn't even mention the data/location privacy violations too where they know exactly where everyone is. I'm not saying I'm against it 100%. But it's a doorway that I'm not sure our country should enter.

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I'm not the one that's confused.  That article doesn't promote chloroquine at all.  It doesn't even really talk about it.  It simply notes the investigations at the time into drug reuse.  One of which was chloroquine.

My point in posting the Nature article was that hydroxychloroquine was a drug that was used in Chinese treatments and studies before Trump called attention to it. There's nothing special about HCQ in general, it's just a drug that was being tested among other drugs like Kaletra and Remdesivir to see if it would work or not. The difference is, there's a weird anti-HCQ slant in media articles, like people want the drug to fail and are happy to see the drug fail. Kaletra was one that had some early hope towards it and it completely fizzled out. But you don't see anyone posting anything about Kaletra now. Even Remdesivir which had the highest hope hasn't really shown anything either. But we'll see if the trials show anything positive.

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I've already made my cautions of applying what happens in a test tube to the real world.  I don't need to repeat them again.  As I said, it was looked at for SARS.  A very similar virus with a very similar spike protein.  It failed then, why would it work now?

Did you read the genetic makeup of the two SARs viruses? The fact that they bind to the ACE-2 receptors to enter our cells is different from the original SARs virus. This article mentions that the 2 viruses only shared 79.5% sequence identity.

https://www.rndsystems.com/resources/articles/ace-2-sars-receptor-identified

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What are those "good reasons"?  So far what you've presented doesn't support that.

I've already posted the articles about HCQ being a potential antiviral in vitro and being a zinc ionophore in studies in my previous posts. Like I said, HCQ was among other drugs like Kaletra and Remdesivir that was looked at as being potential treatments. Kaletra is a HIV antiviral drug. Remdesivir was a failed Ebola drug. Why did they chose these drugs in the first place to try? They looked at previous studies and trials. If you want to call these researchers stupid for trying these drugs out, that's your prerogative.

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Treatment development relies on valid science.  Not anecdotes and random ideas going viral on social media.  Those should not be the drivers.  Drugs with dangerous side effects that are not shown to be effective for a condition should not be promoted for use with zeal.  When valid studies come out that show that some hyped up idea has failed, those valid studies should not be dismissed as a mainstream media conspiracy.  A critical part of the scientific method is acknowledging reality once it becomes clear no matter what your stand was beforehand.  That's the scientific process.

Like I said, research into HCQ (and Kaletra and Remdesivir and other drugs) happened before social media. You still seem to be confused about that. If you want to question the validity of how these doctors and researchers chose HCQ, that's fine. I choose to respect their reasons even if they end up being wrong.

As for your statements about how wrong it is to look at anecdotal data, I have to disagree with this part. If you talk to any of the frontline doctors treating severe covid patients right now, they'll tell you all they have is anecdotal data. There are no peer-reviewed studies on covid at all. There's not even proof that ventilators even work but yet they're using them (which they found out later that they should hold off on using them more recently). So are they supposed to hold their hands up and not treat their patients if there are no peer-reviewed treatment information? Of course not. They're going to try saving their patients in whatever capacity they can. Each doctor/hospital system are doing experimental treatments right now. It'd probably make your head explode if you saw what kinds of drugs they're using on their patients right now  ;D

But anyhow I highly recommend reading about what's happening in the frontlines. Even thought it's all anecdotal information and theories, it's actually amazing stuff. Information is constantly changing. As I mentioned earlier, previous thought was to intubate patients earlier when patients started going into hypoxia but now when they see the poor results from ventilation, they're holding back. A lot of doctors are recommending oxygen treatments like nasal cannulas and proning patients first instead.  It's funny to see you quote excerpts the nature.com article I posted earlier, I forgot how much the information from February to now has changed (I only posted it to point out how HCQ was among a few other drugs being studied back in February. The interest in the drug was not invented by Trump). In earlier articles, covid experts were sure that it was the cytokine storm/immune overreaction that was causing these covid deaths (like the theories for the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic) but now it's looking a lot more complicated than that. Throwing immunosuppressant drugs at patients to help with the immune overreaction isn't necessarily saving everyone. There's unique damage created by this virus. The latest observations/theories involve coagulation/blood clots.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200424/blood-clots-are-another-dangerous-covid-19-mystery

Right now, it's not clear if it's the immune overreaction or the virus itself that's causing these blood clots or if it's both. It does seem to connect with the previous theories that the virus is not causing typical acute respiratory distress syndrome, why ventilators aren't necessarily working. It's like a medical mystery right now and doctors and researchers are playing detective. I'm not going to judge them for trying their best to save lives even if they're using non-FDA approved drug treatments.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 28, 2020, 12:00:12 PM
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Some contact tracing procedures that other countries participate would violate HIPAA here. For instance, the South Korean and Singaporean contact tracing apps. Just the fact that they ping if you're near someone who's infected is a potential HIPAA violation. There's some discussion in these articles:

https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/4/10/21215267/covid-19-contact-tracing-apps-bluetooth-coronavirus-flaws-public-health
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-04-26/privacy-americans-trade-off-trace-coronavirus-contacts

The fact that you have to log in to your Apple or Google accounts to give them your health information is a bit scary. And I didn't even mention the data/location privacy violations too where they know exactly where everyone is. I'm not saying I'm against it 100%. But it's a doorway that I'm not sure our country should enter.

Yes I know.  I've talked about the South Korean and Singaporean contact tracing systems.  But we aren't them.  Those systems aren't the ones being proposed to be used here.

If you are scared about possible "data/location privacy violations" then you should have been terrified for years.  Since until recently the major carriers sold their customer's current location to anyone willing to pay.  You could ask to buy the current location of anyone and they would sell it to you.  They vowed to stop doing it but there have been reports that it's still happening indirectly.

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My point in posting the Nature article was that hydroxychloroquine was a drug that was used in Chinese treatments and studies before Trump called attention to it. There's nothing special about HCQ in general, it's just a drug that was being tested among other drugs like Kaletra and Remdesivir to see if it would work or not. The difference is, there's a weird anti-HCQ slant in media articles, like people want the drug to fail and are happy to see the drug fail. Kaletra was one that had some early hope towards it and it completely fizzled out. But you don't see anyone posting anything about Kaletra now. Even Remdesivir which had the highest hope hasn't really shown anything either. But we'll see if the trials show anything positive.

As I've said, we were and still are in the desperate throw anything at it phase of covid.  Do you think that list was comprehensive?  A lot of compounds have been tried.  Which leads to a problem.  They just don't use one drug at a time in a last ditch effort to save someone, they use a cocktail.  They mix it all together.  Did any of them work?  If so, which one?  The answer to both those questions is a shrug.  There was no reason to latch on to chloroquine as the answer based on those anecdotes.  There was no reason to keep faith in chloroquine when follow up studies showed it didn't help and in fact hurt.  The Chinese study showing it didn't do any good came out long ago in covid pandemic terms.  Yet some people dismissed it since it didn't agree with the anecdotes that set their viewpoint.

I posted my warning about that leaked anecdote about the Remdesivir trial.  That's the problem with anecdotes.  They lack context.  Without that context something that sounds great anecdotally in reality doesn't do anything.  Which seems to be the case with Remdesivir.  We'll find out soon.

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Did you read the genetic makeup of the two SARs viruses? The fact that they bind to the ACE-2 receptors to enter our cells is different from the original SARs virus. This article mentions that the 2 viruses only shared 79.5% sequence identity.

I suggest you do some of your reddit research on the spike protein.  That protein is common on corona viruses.  That's what the vaccines are targeting.  Since if an effective vaccine can be made for that, then it should be a vaccine that works for corona viruses in general.  Covid, SARS, MERS and cross your fingers, maybe even the common cold.

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As for your statements about how wrong it is to look at anecdotal data, I have to disagree with this part.

And around and around we go.  I don't see the point.  We'll just have to agree to disagree.  I'll stick to the science.  You stick to the anecdotes.  I hope people decide what they put into their bodies based on science and not on impassioned statements fueled by anecdotes.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on April 28, 2020, 12:55:57 PM
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At the risk of being obvious to those folks who have a good understanding of the math, (not me) this was interesting.
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He raises a good way to look at it.

My perspective on the % has been.  1-3% is not that bad if I lose a $5 bet or lose $5, etc.

1-3% is really really bad if it means death.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 28, 2020, 10:17:51 PM
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I suggest you do some of your reddit research on the spike protein.  That protein is common on corona viruses.  That's what the vaccines are targeting.  Since if an effective vaccine can be made for that, then it should be a vaccine that works for corona viruses in general.  Covid, SARS, MERS and cross your fingers, maybe even the common cold.

It doesn't matter that they both have a spike protein. Their spike proteins don't bind to the same types of receptors (ACE-2) the way same way. Did you just ignore all the articles I posted about the genetic differences between the two SARs viruses and other coronaviruses?

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And around and around we go.  I don't see the point.  We'll just have to agree to disagree.  I'll stick to the science.  You stick to the anecdotes.  I hope people decide what they put into their bodies based on science and not on impassioned statements fueled by anecdotes.

That's probably what you don't understand. You have a rigid idea of what science (and medicine) is. Science is ever changing, ever evolving. Science starts with hypotheses and observations and then it's tested with trials and studies. Sometimes the theories are right, sometimes they're wrong. In special times like these, you're not going to have the ideal clinical trials to rely on, especially with a disease like covid that we're still don't fully understand. Unfortunately for the severe cases, if they're close to dying, both the doctors and the patients going to be desperate to try something to save them. I'm just glad that the doctors and researchers out there are trying their best to find proper treatment for the disease and I hope they can find these treatments sooner than later.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 29, 2020, 11:33:58 AM
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It doesn't matter that they both have a spike protein. Their spike proteins don't bind to the same types of receptors (ACE-2) the way same way. Did you just ignore all the articles I posted about the genetic differences between the two SARs viruses and other coronaviruses?

You don't understand.  If the spike proteins are dealt with, then there's nothing to bind to any receptor.  It doesn't matter how many different types of locks there are if there are no keys.

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That's probably what you don't understand. You have a rigid idea of what science (and medicine) is. Science is ever changing, ever evolving. Science starts with hypotheses and observations and then it's tested with trials and studies. Sometimes the theories are right, sometimes they're wrong. In special times like these, you're not going to have the ideal clinical trials to rely on, especially with a disease like covid that we're still don't fully understand. Unfortunately for the severe cases, if they're close to dying, both the doctors and the patients going to be desperate to try something to save them. I'm just glad that the doctors and researchers out there are trying their best to find proper treatment for the disease and I hope they can find these treatments sooner than later.

I understand science.  It does depend on accepting and rejecting a hypothesis based on the best data available.  It's not about rejecting valid data because it disagrees with an anecdote you are emotionally invested in.  That's not science. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 29, 2020, 07:46:36 PM
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You don't understand.  If the spike proteins are dealt with, then there's nothing to bind to any receptor.  It doesn't matter how many different types of locks there are if there are no keys.

But you're assuming the spike protein is exactly the same in all the coronaviruses. The fact that the covid virus binds to ACE-2 receptors more so compared to original SARs virus suggests there may be some key differences. I mean I would love if they can create a vaccine that can help us prevent future coronavirus infections. I'm sure they're going to explore that more in the future so we'll see.

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I understand science.  It does depend on accepting and rejecting a hypothesis based on the best data available.  It's not about rejecting valid data because it disagrees with an anecdote you are emotionally invested in.  That's not science.

This is where we disagree. It seems like you feel the end results is science. I see science as the whole process. It starts with observations and anecdotal information that leads theories and hypotheses. These theories get tested in clinical trials/studies, both ideal and non-ideal. These scientists and doctors who test them will have their biases, it's human nature. I mean if they didn't believe in what they're testing, they wouldn't bother doing it. I agree with you about not rejecting valid data if it contradicts with what you're emotionally invested in but that's my whole point about this covid disease. It's a brand new disease that doesn't have much valid data. I don't believe we can assume previously known info about original SARs virus is the same for covid virus. We're still trying to figure out why it's so unpredictable, why it can kill people of any age, even those with have no underlying conditions. It doesn't seem to be killing people the same way as the original virus.

Btw, what do you think of Dr. Fauci recommending Remdesivir as the standard of care now?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 30, 2020, 12:24:31 AM
I'm going to squish your post down since my answer covers the first and last parts of your post.

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But you're assuming the spike protein is exactly the same in all the coronaviruses.

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Btw, what do you think of Dr. Fauci recommending Remdesivir as the standard of care now?

I'm not assuming.  If you would care to read the links I post, you'll find this in one of them.  It's from the people that have shown their SARS vaccine works just as well on covid as SARS in vitro.

"The SARS and COVID-19 viruses are genetically very similar, and their spike proteins and structures also bear similarities that suggest that the SARS vaccine potentially could be used to prevent COVID-19.”

There was a reason that Remdesivir was given hope unlike chloroquine by researchers.  For the last 7 years people have been looking into Remdesivir as a treatment for corona viruses.  Not just one of them.  Not just SARS.  Not just MERS.  But as a generic treatment for all of them.  Since all corona viruses are similar.  Have you ever wondered why the are called corona viruses?  It's the spike as in spike protein.  What does the dude that did that 7 years of research call covid?  SARS 2.

I think we need to wait for the results of the clinical trial to come out.  As per the person running the trial, they are still crunching the numbers.  The results weren't due for a month.  I do wonder why Fauci leaked them all of a sudden today.

There was another Remdesivir trial result released today.  The trial that Gilead itself did.  It didn't get as much press.  The big take away from that was that taking it for 10 days was no better than 5 days. They did also note the shorten recovery period.  Whether someone recovered or survived didn't seem significantly improved.

These leaked results from the NIH study are at odds with the leaked results from the Chinese study.  There's the mega-trial going on in Europe.  They are doing the right thing and not leaking.  Clinical trials are like Fight Club.  You don't talk about it until it's done.  They should release the results from that in a month or two.

If Remdesivir works it would be awesome.  I would note the order of Fauci's statements.  First and foremost he's happy about it as a proof of concept.  That any drug has any effect at all.  Second, he only says it works to shorten recovery.  Recovery and mortality have not been determined to be significantly improved.

And that's the takeaway from today.  I don't think anyone thinks Remdesivir is the answer.  We won't be ending social distancing because of it.  It's not the end, it's the beginning.  It's hope that something can work.  It's hope that something else might work better.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 30, 2020, 08:28:31 AM
Thanks for your post chocolateshake. It puts the progress of the treatment into needed perspective.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 30, 2020, 12:50:28 PM
For those who think the Disney parks will never open again, I give you.... Disney face masks!

No, I'm not kidding. And some of them are very cute.

https://www.shopdisney.com/face-masks/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on April 30, 2020, 12:54:20 PM
I ordered mine earlier this morning, Marvel pack!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 30, 2020, 12:57:33 PM
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I ordered mine earlier this morning, Marvel pack!

Most of that pack is meh, but the Hulk face is so cute! I wish you could mix and match designs from the different packs. Imagine Hulk face, Baby Yoda, Mike Wazowski and Stitch all in one pack...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on April 30, 2020, 01:25:39 PM
Hulk face definitely the best of the group but a nice mix for the days you're not feeling as aggressive :D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on April 30, 2020, 04:03:59 PM
I want one!

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https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-masks-realistic-custom-respirator-danielle-baskin-resting-risk-face/5957083/ (https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-masks-realistic-custom-respirator-danielle-baskin-resting-risk-face/5957083/)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on April 30, 2020, 04:08:23 PM
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For those who think the Disney parks will never open again, I give you.... Disney face masks!

No, I'm not kidding. And some of them are very cute.

https://www.shopdisney.com/face-masks/

I like Baby Yoda. Too bad there aren't Star Wars faces like Mickey (i.e., nose & chin). I would kill for Mandalorian or Baby Yoda.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on April 30, 2020, 06:51:24 PM
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Most of that pack is meh, but the Hulk face is so cute! I wish you could mix and match designs from the different packs. Imagine Hulk face, Baby Yoda, Mike Wazowski and Stitch all in one pack...

I was thinking the same thing!  I settled on Star Wars because I liked more in that pack.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on April 30, 2020, 11:06:32 PM
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If Remdesivir works it would be awesome.  I would note the order of Fauci's statements.  First and foremost he's happy about it as a proof of concept.  That any drug has any effect at all.  Second, he only says it works to shorten recovery.  Recovery and mortality have not been determined to be significantly improved.

And that's the takeaway from today.  I don't think anyone thinks Remdesivir is the answer.  We won't be ending social distancing because of it.  It's not the end, it's the beginning.  It's hope that something can work.  It's hope that something else might work better.

I agree with that actually. I don't feel Remdesivir is going to change much right now. We still need to understand the disease process better and find better medications that can treat it. I still have hopes that there's a preexisting drug out there that might work on other stages of the disease and it's possible that a combo of drugs will help with the survival rates.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: mark on May 06, 2020, 06:34:23 PM
Work had an all-hands today, first one where they have discussed starting steps for people eventually coming back to work. Thought people might find it interesting.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 18, 2020, 12:27:49 PM
The big news today is that Moderna released a teaser about it's vaccine's phase 1 clinical trial.  It produces antibodies in all participants.  That's great news.  It produces neutralizing antibodies, the ones we need for a vaccine to work, in 8 participants.  That's confusing news.  Did they only test 8 people or did only 8 of the people in the trial produce them?  If they only tested 8 people, why didn't they test them all?  If only 8 people of all participants tested showed neutralizing antibodies, then that's not good.

Overall, the response was similar to people that recovered from covid.  It's still unclear if that's enough for immunity.  There's the recent case of the 14 people on the Roosevelt.  They had covid, they recovered, they tested negative twice and now they are symptomatic again testing positive again.

The other issue is will people take the vaccine for covid?  It's not looking great.  The anti-vaxxers have been hard at work these last few months.  It's worked.  Polling shows that a third of people will refuse a covid vaccine.  Only half of the population get's a flu vaccine for example.

If some people have a problem with traditional vaccines, I would think they would have a bigger problem with this vaccine.  This is a new approach to vaccinations.  Instead of injecting a dead or weaken virus to elicit an immune response, this is a mRNA vaccine.  The vaccine is a bit of mRNA to have your own cells to make the spike protein to stimulate your immune system.  Some people won't even eat GMO food.  I'm not sure how happy they'll be to have some mRNA injected into them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on May 18, 2020, 11:09:40 PM
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If some people have a problem with traditional vaccines, I would think they would have a bigger problem with this vaccine.  This is a new approach to vaccinations.  Instead of injecting a dead or weaken virus to elicit an immune response, this is a mRNA vaccine.  The vaccine is a bit of mRNA to have your own cells to make the spike protein to stimulate your immune system.  Some people won't even eat GMO food.  I'm not sure how happy they'll be to have some mRNA injected into them.

it's my understanding that a bunch of other first world countries use 'live' vaccines & they're safe.
I will be lining up for the vaccine like it's hall h on a saturday ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 19, 2020, 06:37:47 AM
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Overall, the response was similar to people that recovered from covid.  It's still unclear if that's enough for immunity.  There's the recent case of the 14 people on the Roosevelt.  They had covid, they recovered, they tested negative twice and now they are symptomatic again testing positive again.
https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/status/1262687204687712256?s=21

Overall, nothing to worry about as the link above says. Unless a virus totally changes overnight, sure, a person can get sick again, but lots of evidence says the coronavirus is not doing that thus far. Also note that some people need extra time to recover after being sick with the virus even when they are still showing some symptoms weeks later.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on May 19, 2020, 06:50:56 AM
I believe the testing is flawed and people are not being reinfected as that would truly be a game-changer.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 19, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
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it's my understanding that a bunch of other first world countries use 'live' vaccines & they're safe.
I will be lining up for the vaccine like it's hall h on a saturday ;)

I get my yearly flu vaccine as soon as it's available.  For this though, I'm going to wait.  Not because I fear it's efficacy or safety, but because I don't want to be in a Hall H line with a bunch of possibly infected people.  I'll wait a few weeks for others to get it and the chances of getting infected on the way to get a vaccine to go down.

Yes, traditional vaccines are also being developed.  The problem is traditional vaccines take a long time to make.  Like normally 4-5 years.  If they get one out in 12-18 months, that will be a record setter.  So the question is get a synthetic vaccine or wait a year or two longer for a "live" vaccine.

The reason this vaccine is out so quick is that it's synthetic.  I don't remember if it was Moderna, but someone else synthesized their's 48 hours after China published the DNA sequence for covid.  It's a brave new world.  They don't take a covid virus and chop up it's genetic info to make the vaccine, they just print it out using a gene printer.

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https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/status/1262687204687712256?s=21

Overall, nothing to worry about as the link above says. Unless a virus totally changes overnight, sure, a person can get sick again, but lots of evidence says the coronavirus is not doing that thus far. Also note that some people need extra time to recover after being sick with the virus even when they are still showing some symptoms weeks later.

Hopefully.  That's one opinion.  Unfortunately the science isn't out there to support it.  Here's a warning from someone that's familiar with viruses that can reinfect after recovery.

https://news.yahoo.com/immunity-covid-19-antibodies-not-190537893.html

Here's a study that shows that only a subset of people that recover from covid have the antibodies that may give them immunity.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v2

As for the virus changing, it already has.  As of the end of March, there were 8 main strains being tracked.  The strain in the US is different from the strain in Europe which is different from the strain in China.  There are 8 big strains being tracked but there are a whole lot more.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

Luckily in this case, the thing that's being targeted is common to most if not all coronaviruses.  So hopefully the vaccine will work on more than just covid.  It may work for SARS, MARS and maybe even the common cold.  Some of the covid vaccine candidates are old SARS vaccine candidates.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on May 19, 2020, 08:56:17 PM
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Work had an all-hands today, first one where they have discussed starting steps for people eventually coming back to work. Thought people might find it interesting.

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Are most people here who have to work closely with co-workers or clients/customers/patients concerned about respiratory droplets/aerosols? I've been using the Lysol aerosol sprays sporadically in my room plus wearing my mask of course. I'm wondering if the aerosols are moot or if I should be spraying it a lot more.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on May 19, 2020, 09:26:41 PM
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The big news today is that Moderna released a teaser about it's vaccine's phase 1 clinical trial.  It produces antibodies in all participants.  That's great news.  It produces neutralizing antibodies, the ones we need for a vaccine to work, in 8 participants.  That's confusing news.  Did they only test 8 people or did only 8 of the people in the trial produce them?  If they only tested 8 people, why didn't they test them all?  If only 8 people of all participants tested showed neutralizing antibodies, then that's not good.

From what I've read, it takes time to making the neutralizing antibodies. I think their press release stated, "samples are not yet available for remaining participants." Their first phase seemed to really try to figure out how much of a dose they should put in the vaccines and if that dose is safe. I read a blog post on sciencemag that seemed to be optimistic ("so far so good"):

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/18/first-results-from-modernas-coronavirus-vaccine

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Overall, the response was similar to people that recovered from covid.  It's still unclear if that's enough for immunity.  There's the recent case of the 14 people on the Roosevelt.  They had covid, they recovered, they tested negative twice and now they are symptomatic again testing positive again.

From the some of the articles I've read the past month, there's suggestions that not everyone's viral shedding progress is the same. It also depends on what parts of the body they're testing from. One of the famous virologists, Christian Drosten, studied this:

https://twitter.com/c_drosten/status/1249791222526468099
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200403115117.htm

There were a couple of other articles that did suggest that not everyone may produce the proper neutralizing antibodies from a covid infection. So that's probably why that even if someone was tested positive for it earlier and has recovered or if they thought they had covid but hadn't been tested, they shouldn't assume that they're fully immune from future infections until they get their proper antibodies checked.

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The other issue is will people take the vaccine for covid?  It's not looking great.  The anti-vaxxers have been hard at work these last few months.  It's worked.  Polling shows that a third of people will refuse a covid vaccine.  Only half of the population get's a flu vaccine for example.

If some people have a problem with traditional vaccines, I would think they would have a bigger problem with this vaccine.  This is a new approach to vaccinations.  Instead of injecting a dead or weaken virus to elicit an immune response, this is a mRNA vaccine.  The vaccine is a bit of mRNA to have your own cells to make the spike protein to stimulate your immune system.  Some people won't even eat GMO food.  I'm not sure how happy they'll be to have some mRNA injected into them.

There's going to be a lot of people who will refuse a vaccine, regardless if it's mRNA or not (assuming these people even understand what mRNA means). I don't think we can worry about these people right now. I feel we should take it one step at a time. Besides, for those who are anti-synthetic but not anti-vaxxers, there's going to be other vaccines available too. My impression is that we might end up with a handful of choices of vaccines to take.

The mRNA stuff is fascinating, first of its kind. Scientists are hopeful that if this vaccine works, we can use this mRNA tech for making new vaccines for other diseases.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on May 19, 2020, 09:49:32 PM
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I get my yearly flu vaccine as soon as it's available.  For this though, I'm going to wait.  Not because I fear it's efficacy or safety, but because I don't want to be in a Hall H line with a bunch of possibly infected people.  I'll wait a few weeks for others to get it and the chances of getting infected on the way to get a vaccine to go down.

Yes, traditional vaccines are also being developed.  The problem is traditional vaccines take a long time to make.  Like normally 4-5 years.  If they get one out in 12-18 months, that will be a record setter.  So the question is get a synthetic vaccine or wait a year or two longer for a "live" vaccine.

It's funny, I don't mind waiting for the vaccine either.  I'd be afraid of ADE myself like with dengue fever vaccines. I'm pretty sure there won't be a choice anyway when the vaccine first becomes available. I'm sure it'll go to frontline health care workers and the elderly/immunocompromised people first.

Just curious, is there a reason why people should be more fearful of a synthetic vaccine vs the traditional live attenuated vaccines? Is it because the mRNA tech is brand new or is it because it's merely synthetic?

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As for the virus changing, it already has.  As of the end of March, there were 8 main strains being tracked.  The strain in the US is different from the strain in Europe which is different from the strain in China.  There are 8 big strains being tracked but there are a whole lot more.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

Great graph. I think it's been said that most of the NY strains were from Europe:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html

The CA and WA state strains were most likely from China. The good thing is that all the strains seem fundamentally similar enough for one vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 20, 2020, 10:13:16 PM
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Hopefully.  That's one opinion.  Unfortunately the science isn't out there to support it.  Here's a warning from someone that's familiar with viruses that can reinfect after recovery.

https://news.yahoo.com/immunity-covid-19-antibodies-not-190537893.html

Here's a study that shows that only a subset of people that recover from covid have the antibodies that may give them immunity.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.20047365v2

As for the virus changing, it already has.  As of the end of March, there were 8 main strains being tracked.  The strain in the US is different from the strain in Europe which is different from the strain in China.  There are 8 big strains being tracked but there are a whole lot more.

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

Luckily in this case, the thing that's being targeted is common to most if not all coronaviruses.  So hopefully the vaccine will work on more than just covid.  It may work for SARS, MARS, and maybe even the common cold.  Some of the covid vaccine candidates are old SARS vaccine candidates.

1. They wouldn’t be saying that if they couldn’t back it up nor if only 1 person said it.

2. https://www.wcvb.com/article/beth-israel-pfizer-researchers-optimistic-about-covid-19-antibody-studies/32619871#

3.
https://youtu.be/01Rftnxbi6w

4. Changes in a virus usually don't indicate anything bad will happen, unless the evidence says so strongly. Btw: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/health/coronavirus-mutation-transmission.html and https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19 and https://www.theverge.com/21263530/coronavirus-mutation-virus-copies-transmission-tracking-danger  (I do know what is currently happening in China in fighting the virus before sharing the links; the northeast region of China I am talking about. I will keep tabs on this ongoing situation, which means I will share something new later.)

5. That would be sweet to see if so with the vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 21, 2020, 12:14:26 AM
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1. They wouldn’t be saying that if they couldn’t back it up nor if only 1 person said it.

"They" are explicitly warning people that it's unclear whether recovery will lead to immunity.  That's what some studies have shown as well as the opaque vaccine trial reports.  While most people do produce antibodies, those aren't the antibodies that grant immunity.  Neutralizing antibodies are the ones that are needed.  In the recovered as well as the vaccine trial participants, only a subset of people produce nabs.

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/07/852360101/will-antibodies-after-covid-19-illness-prevent-reinfection

For the other well known coronaviruses, what immunity there is is temporary.  From months to a couple of years for SARS and MERS.  Much less so for the common cold.  That's why people keep getting colds over and over again.  It's not because of mutation.  The spike protein, the thing these antibodies target, stays the same.  It's because the cold is such a mild illness that people don't produce nabs.  Thus there is no or limited immunity.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 21, 2020, 12:09:23 PM
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"They" are explicitly warning people that it's unclear whether recovery will lead to immunity.  That's what some studies have shown as well as the opaque vaccine trial reports.  While most people do produce antibodies, those aren't the antibodies that grant immunity.  Neutralizing antibodies are the ones that are needed.  In the recovered as well as the vaccine trial participants, only a subset of people produce nabs.

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/07/852360101/will-antibodies-after-covid-19-illness-prevent-reinfection

For the other well-known coronaviruses, what immunity there is is temporary.  From months to a couple of years for SARS and MERS.  Much less so for the common cold.  That's why people keep getting colds over and over again.  It's not because of mutation.  The spike protein, the thing these antibodies target, stays the same.  It's because the cold is such a mild illness that people don't produce nabs.  Thus there is no or limited immunity.

1. Welcome to the medical community saying nothing is ever ‘guaranteed‘, even when the ‘optimistic’ evidence says the world should be optimistic.

2. With the WHO, the leaders say “We don’t know what we already don’t know,” or “We better watch out, the virus is coming for us all!” than anything else. The basic information we all already know. They also have backtracked on certain information too, during this outbreak. So, be careful just by going to them only. Keep doing what you did by including other links like that NPR one. Lastly: https://time.com/5826025/taiwan-who-trump-coronavirus-covid19/ (Up to you on making an opinion on what the Times says in that article.)

3. Like Luke said to Rey in Episode 8: “Breathe. Just breathe.” The world is not fighting a super virus, just an evil, nasty one that we humans can beat. Now let’s be realistic on this matter? Yes! Anything can happen and we need to be careful. Should we think we are doomed for life now? No. Do we need to send Bruce Willis back in time to help save the future? Nope.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on May 21, 2020, 12:24:10 PM
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Do we need to send Bruce Willis back in time to help save the future? Nope.

To quote Randy Quaid in Independence Day.....   "Are you sure?  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 21, 2020, 01:26:29 PM
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To quote Randy Quaid in Independence Day.....   "Are you sure?  :P
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 21, 2020, 01:31:06 PM
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2. With the WHO, the leaders say “We don’t know what we already don’t know,” or “We better watch out, the virus is coming for us all!” than anything else. The basic information we all already know. They also have backtracked on certain information too, during this outbreak. So, be careful just by going to them only. Keep doing what you did by including other links like that NPR one. Lastly: https://time.com/5826025/taiwan-who-trump-coronavirus-covid19/ (Up to you on making an opinion on what the Times says in that article.)

The WHO is being responsible.  They aren't my only source of information.  Be careful of forming your opinion based only on Twitter and Youtube posts.

So much is unknown right now.  Including whether there will be immunity from a vaccine or recovery.  The funniest comment I saw about that was from a researcher on CNN who said he thought the Moderna teaser release said it was negative when he read it.  He thought they said it didn't work since they said it worked about as well as the recovered.  He was then surprised when the press was so excited that it was a good result.

Here's another example.  The Oxford vaccine results were glowing a few days ago.

https://www.businessinsider.com/monkeys-given-new-oxford-vaccine-coronavirus-free-strong-exposure-encouraging-2020-4?op=1

Now on further thought.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/16/did-the-oxford-covid-vaccine-work-in-monkeys-not-really/#71a272b23c71

As for who knew when.  The reports are that US intelligence knew and warned the administration about the outbreak last November.  We didn't do anything about it.  But those are just reports.  What's fact is that South Korea, Taiwan and the United States all officially found out at the same time.  South Korea and Taiwan acted and have some of the lowest cases and deaths in the world.  The US did not act until much later and we have the most cases and the most deaths.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on May 21, 2020, 02:47:22 PM
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1. Welcome to the medical community saying nothing is ever ‘guaranteed‘, even when the ‘optimistic’ evidence says the world should be optimistic.

2. With the WHO, the leaders say “We don’t know what we already don’t know,” or “We better watch out, the virus is coming for us all!” than anything else. The basic information we all already know. They also have backtracked on certain information too, during this outbreak. So, be careful just by going to them only. Keep doing what you did by including other links like that NPR one. Lastly: https://time.com/5826025/taiwan-who-trump-coronavirus-covid19/ (Up to you on making an opinion on what the Times says in that article.)

3. Like Luke said to Rey in Episode 8: “Breathe. Just breathe.” The world is not fighting a super virus, just an evil, nasty one that we humans can beat. Now let’s be realistic on this matter? Yes! Anything can happen and we need to be careful. Should we think we are doomed for life now? No. Do we need to send Bruce Willis back in time to help save the future? Nope.

I'd be all for John McClane showing up and kicking the virus' butt.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 21, 2020, 02:49:18 PM
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The WHO is being responsible.  They aren't my only source of information.  Be careful about forming your opinion based only on Twitter and Youtube posts.

So much is unknown right now.  Including whether there will be immunity from a vaccine or recovery.  The funniest comment I saw about that was from a researcher on CNN who said he thought the Moderna teaser release said it was negative when he read it.  He thought they said it didn't work since they said it worked about as well as the recovered.  He was then surprised when the press was so excited that it was a good result.

Here's another example.  The Oxford vaccine results were glowing a few days ago.

https://www.businessinsider.com/monkeys-given-new-oxford-vaccine-coronavirus-free-strong-exposure-encouraging-2020-4?op=1

Now on further thought.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/16/did-the-oxford-covid-vaccine-work-in-monkeys-not-really/#71a272b23c71

As for who knew when.  The reports are that US intelligence knew and warned the administration about the outbreak last November.  We didn't do anything about it.  But those are just reports.  What's fact is that South Korea, Taiwan, and the United States all officially found out at the same time.  South Korea and Taiwan acted and have some of the lowest cases and deaths in the world.  The US did not act until much later and we have the most cases and the most deaths.
Yup, that’s why many should avoid inaccurate information when using Twitter and/or YouTube. The dark part of the web is on a mission to misinform the world, too.

As for the ever-changing daily information, all we can do is this:
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And to stay up to date the best we can. The WHO being responsible during this outbreak? Maybe now...but it sure didn’t seem like they were from the start of this outbreak. Regardless, I just want everyone to bring their best when fighting the virus.

Speaking of Taiwan and South Korea, both took matters in their own hands, knowing how close they were to the viral outbreak, and not trusting China too, after looking at past outbreaks. As for the US, things could have turned out better, I won’t argue with you there, although with China silencing those who were trying to alert the rest of the world last winter doesn’t help as well. Europe, for example, would have liked getting some of that warning I’m sure. Overall, I still see more “I” than “we” with China. Shocking, right?

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I'd be all for John McClane showing up and kicking the virus' butt.
Same here!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on May 21, 2020, 11:23:27 PM
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I won’t argue with you there, although with China silencing those who were trying to alert the rest of the world last winter doesn’t help as well. Europe, for example, would have liked getting some of that warning I’m sure. Overall, I still see more “I” than “we” with China. Shocking, right?
Same here!

I will argue this point. It matters not whether China silenced anything. Even when it was obvious how bad this thing was and people were dying on ships and all over Italy, the U.S. government played it down. So, even when obvious, we did nothing. If China had come out with bullhorns ablaring, we would have done nothing. Right now, we know darn well what it can do, and we're rushing to open everything back up. People are protesting, gathering in groups without masks, etc. We should not be blaming China for our own stupidity.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on May 22, 2020, 01:04:17 AM
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I will argue this point. It matters not whether China silenced anything. Even when it was obvious how bad this thing was and people were dying on ships and all over Italy, the U.S. government played it down. So, even when obvious, we did nothing. If China had come out with bullhorns ablaring, we would have done nothing. Right now, we know darn well what it can do, and we're rushing to open everything back up. People are protesting, gathering in groups without masks, etc. We should not be blaming China for our own stupidity.
The intelligence community warned the President in December and January that China was lying about the problem and he ignored them. That’s on him.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 22, 2020, 08:41:48 AM
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I will argue this point. It matters not whether China silenced anything. Even when it was obvious how bad this thing was and people were dying on ships and all over Italy, the U.S. government played it down. So, even when obvious, we did nothing. If China had come out with bullhorns ablaring, we would have done nothing. Right now, we know darn well what it can do, and we're rushing to open everything back up. People are protesting, gathering in groups without masks, etc. We should not be blaming China for our own stupidity.
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 22, 2020, 05:12:54 PM
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I will argue this point. It matters not whether China silenced anything. Even when it was obvious how bad this thing was and people were dying on ships and all over Italy, the U.S. government played it down. So, even when obvious, we did nothing. If China had come out with bullhorns ablaring, we would have done nothing. Right now, we know darn well what it can do, and we're rushing to open everything back up. People are protesting, gathering in groups without masks, etc. We should not be blaming China for our own stupidity.

I agree.  I find it extremely hypocritical what the Trump administration is doing.  They are trying to find scapegoats where ever they can to divert blame for their own failings.

The local Wuhan authorities tried to silence it initially.  Beijing overrode that and blew the warning horn to the world.  In China now, that doctor is touted as a hero.

One person may have been silenced in China.  The Trump administration has tried to silence many more than one.  The CDC as a whole, the Captain of the Roosevelt, Fauci, Bright, Redfield ...  The list goes on and on.  That's just the big profile names.  How many people that aren't that well known trying to do the right thing have been silenced?  We'll never know.

Here in the US, Trump repeatedly downplayed the pandemic.  He still does.  He recently said that if we don't test then we won't have as many cases.  What?  Just 2 days ago, the world had the most number of new covid cases in one day ever.  Yet the Trump administration is trying to convince people that it's all over.  It hasn't even peaked.

So he's trying to cast blame where ever he can to divert from where the blame should fall.  On himself.  One organization he's trying to make into a scapegoat is the WHO.  It's sad that some are falling for it.  The WHO is a very reputable organization.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 22, 2020, 07:37:26 PM
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I agree.  I find it extremely hypocritical what the Trump administration is doing.  They are trying to find scapegoats where ever they can to divert blame for their own failings.

The local Wuhan authorities tried to silence it initially.  Beijing overrode that and blew the warning horn to the world.  In China now, that doctor is touted as a hero.

One person may have been silenced in China.  The Trump administration has tried to silence many more than one.  The CDC as a whole, the Captain of the Roosevelt, Fauci, Bright, Redfield ...  The list goes on and on.  That's just the big profile names.  How many people that aren't that well known trying to do the right thing have been silenced?  We'll never know.

Here in the US, Trump repeatedly downplayed the pandemic.  He still does.  He recently said that if we don't test then we won't have as many cases.  What?  Just 2 days ago, the world had the most number of new covid cases in one day ever.  Yet the Trump administration is trying to convince people that it's all over.  It hasn't even peaked. (Debatable when looking at data.) - MW

So he's trying to cast blame where ever he can to divert from where the blame should fall.  On himself.  One organization he's trying to make into a scapegoat is the WHO.  It's sad that some are falling for it.  The WHO is a very reputable organization. (Debatable now due to suspect leadership.) - MW
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 22, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
Those things are only debatable if you buy into unsupported conspiracy theories.  I do not.  I stick with the facts.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 26, 2020, 09:24:38 PM
Today, I went into a store for the 3rd time in about 3 months.  It was my worst experience of the 3.  The first 2 times, I didn't expect everyone to be masked up so dressed accordingly.  I was covered head to toe with goggles.  Today, wearing a mask has been recommended so long and the store I went to has a must wear mask policy so I thought I wouldn't have to.  While the majority of people did follow that policy, even those who wore it with their nose exposed which defeats the purpose, there were a few people that didn't.  I avoided most, I would literally turn around in an aisle if I saw one.  In one situation I couldn't and this one dude mask free and yapping on his phone walks right at me.  There was so much space around me that he could have easily walked around me with plenty of space to spare.  I ended up saying "wear a mask" before he diverted around me way closer than he should have.

Why is it so hard for some people to do the right thing?

In another development, counting on antibody testing to allow people back to work was dealt a blow today.  The CDC is warning that antibody testing may only be right half the time.  Depending on the situation, if someone tests positive for covid antibodies there's only a 49% chance that that person actually has covid antibodies.  It's a coin toss.

"For example, in a population where the prevalence is 5%, a test with 90% sensitivity and 95% specificity will yield a positive predictive value of 49%. In other words, less than half of those testing positive will truly have antibodies."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/resources/antibody-tests-guidelines.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on May 29, 2020, 12:18:48 AM
I'm of the mind that the governments of both countries should be heavily criticized for their policies that allowed the pandemic to happen. Yes, China did heavily lie about the spread of the disease in the beginning, it's part of why the WHO was giving out bad info about the virus in the beginning. I believe our country and the Western countries should heavily rethink our future relationship with China. We've relied on them too much for their cheap goods while ignoring their human rights abuse. It's bit us on the butt with the former seeing how hard it is for our country to make our own medical and N95 masks and other PPE that we have to overbid against ourselves to buy PPE from China for our hospitals, not to mention how frustrating it is the masks that we try to buy have questionable quality.

Btw, China is still lying about the covid origins. Just another example of how scummy their gov't is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theory.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-patient-zero-china-trolls/

It's definitely being spread in Chinese news. My parents watch Chinese news and seem to believe this conspiracy theory. So their gov't and our Trump-led gov't, just two sides of the same coin. It would almost be hilarious to see our two gov'ts try to out-lie each other if it weren't for all the causalities from all the lies.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on June 01, 2020, 08:01:47 AM
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Btw, China is still lying about the covid origins. Just another example of how scummy their gov't is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theory.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-patient-zero-china-trolls/

It's definitely being spread in Chinese news. My parents watch Chinese news and seem to believe this conspiracy theory. So their gov't and our Trump-led gov't, just two sides of the same coin.

That they are two sides of the same coin, I would agree with here. Our government is no better than theirs, so we should stop throwing stones and just get on with digging ourselves out of this hole.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on June 01, 2020, 10:06:36 AM
I think I should change the title of this thread from "... In the age of Covoid" to "....in the age of 2020"

This year needs to stop

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 01, 2020, 11:52:48 AM
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That they are two sides of the same coin, I would agree with here. Our government is no better than theirs, so we should stop throwing stones and just get on with digging ourselves out of this hole.

It's the hypocrisy that I find most irritating.  We often criticize others while proceeding to do the same ourselves.

In times like this, historically the world does come together to solve the problem.  Allies and enemies put aside their differences and work for the common good.  Recriminations come, but they come after the crisis.  This time, we are splintering apart before it's even peaked.  Pulling out of the WHO in the middle of a pandemic is not wise.  Not for us, not for the world.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: brand4d2 on June 21, 2020, 12:42:10 PM
Finally checking in...

I’ve been on the frontlines for the past 3.5 months - work is at a healthcare facility and we’ve constantly had 12-20 covid positives in our care during that time.   Some got better, some we lost but no matter what, others always took their places.   It’s taken a huge toll on all of us here and so it bothers me greatly that so many in the outside world just treat it like a joke, a major inconvenience.   
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on June 22, 2020, 09:16:16 AM
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Finally checking in...

I’ve been on the frontlines for the past 3.5 months - work is at a healthcare facility and we’ve constantly had 12-20 covid positives in our care during that time.   Some got better, some we lost but no matter what, others always took their places.   It’s taken a huge toll on all of us here and so it bothers me greatly that so many in the outside world just treat it like a joke, a major inconvenience.

Thank you for all you do for your patients, @brand4d2 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=819) !
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 22, 2020, 09:18:20 PM
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It’s taken a huge toll on all of us here and so it bothers me greatly that so many in the outside world just treat it like a joke, a major inconvenience.

That's the saddest part about the whole thing.  So many have died, so many have gotten sick and so many have suffered financially.  Yet it seems like many Americans have decided they are bored with the pandemic and have decided they no longer care.  So now we are worse off than we were 3 months ago.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 22, 2020, 10:16:01 PM
About a month ago with a doctor’s note, I took an antibody test at Quest Diagnostics to see if I have been exposed to Covid-19.  As of a month ago, I have not.  This morning, at the urging of my worry-wart brother, I took a blood test to see what my blood type is.  If it’s Type-O, I have a somewhat lower chance of getting seriously sick if I get infected.  If it’s Type-A, then I have a greater chance of getting seriously ill.  Finally at some point I will take a Covid-19 test except my silly brother wants me to “coordinate” with him so if I, brother, his wife and my mother all take the Covid-19 test at the same time and all four of us come back negative, then he comes up with this B.S. in his head that it will be safe for all four of us to get together WITHOUT socially distancing or wearing face masks and that my mom can spend a week with my brother and his wife at their place in San Diego giving me a well-deserved break from Mom at my place.

So over the last three months, all my get-togethers and socializing has been via Zoom (which I also own stock in).  Earlier in the pandemic, most of our groceries has been via Instacart, but we’ve done some in-person groceries as well with face masks.  I do take walks with Mom making sure we don’t get close to anybody.  This past weekend we ran into friends at a nearby park while social distancing.  Three weekends ago, we had our first haircuts in four months.  Today, my gym reopened, but my brother warns me not to use it.

So that’s my life in a nutshell in the Covid-19 era!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 23, 2020, 12:12:09 AM
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About a month ago with a doctor’s note, I took an antibody test at Quest Diagnostics to see if I have been exposed to Covid-19.  As of a month ago, I have not.  This morning, at the urging of my worry-wart brother, I took a blood test to see what my blood type is.  If it’s Type-O, I have a somewhat lower chance of getting seriously sick if I get infected.  If it’s Type-A, then I have a greater chance of getting seriously ill. 

According to CDC guidance, there's no place in the US where the antibody tests are more than 50% accurate.  So even if you test positive for antibodies, there's only a 50% chance that you really have antibodies.  It's a coin toss.

Blood type effect was initially announced about 3 months ago out of China.  It was confirmed by both the US and Europe about 2 weeks ago.  As in many things during this pandemic, China is ahead of the curve by about 3 months.  They make announcements which are greeted with skepticism but then are later confirmed by the rest of the world.  Wearing a mask is the prime example of that.

Type O is good.  Type A is not good.  I'm type O but the benefit, while welcome, is not so much as to change my behavior at all.  Being type O doesn't make someone impervious.  Type O reduces the chances of being so sick as to need a ventilator, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.  That's something else that the Chinese reported a few months ago that's now being confirmed in the rest of the world.  Even after someone recovers, they may not fully recover.  There can be permanent damage.  Even for the lucky that are asymptomatic, they may still have permanent organ damage.  They may not notice it now, but they may a few years down the road.  The more and more we learn about covid.  The worse and worse it gets.  Covid is not a respiratory illness.  It's a whole body illness that's spread through the respiratory system.  To paraphrase Peter Piot, it effects every cell in the body.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 25, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
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Type O is good.  Type A is not good.  I'm type O but the benefit, while welcome, is not so much as to change my behavior at all.  Being type O doesn't make someone impervious.  Type O reduces the chances of being so sick as to need a ventilator, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.  That's something else that the Chinese reported a few months ago that's now being confirmed in the rest of the world.  Even after someone recovers, they may not fully recover.  There can be permanent damage.  Even for the lucky that are asymptomatic, they may still have permanent organ damage.  They may not notice it now, but they may a few years down the road.  The more and more we learn about covid.  The worse and worse it gets.  Covid is not a respiratory illness.  It's a whole body illness that's spread through the respiratory system.  To paraphrase Peter Piot, it effects every cell in the body.

FWIW, my doctor just called back with my blood type test results.  I'm Type-O positive.

http://apnews.com/7200199044b318f992402b411c3ea4d0
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 25, 2020, 01:16:35 PM
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FWIW, my doctor just called back with my blood type test results.  I'm Type-O positive.

I'm the same.  Roughly half the population is Type O.  It's the most common blood type.  Unfortunately Type A is the second most common.

I've known my blood type since elementary school.  We tested for it ourselves.  This was decades ago before there were relatively painless spring loaded lancets.  To a fourth grader, we used what looked like a little spear to poke ourselves.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on June 25, 2020, 01:41:32 PM
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I'm the same.  Roughly half the population is Type O.  It's the most common blood type.  Unfortunately Type A is the second most common.

I've known my blood type since elementary school.  We tested for it ourselves.  This was decades ago before there were relatively painless spring loaded lancets.  To a fourth grader, we used what looked like a little spear to poke ourselves.

My mom told me about doing that in school when she was a kid! It's mind-boggling now to think of a school being so cavalier about letting all the kids cut themselves and then potentially bleed on each other/the whole classroom.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on June 25, 2020, 03:18:13 PM
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My mom told me about doing that in school when she was a kid! It's mind-boggling now to think of a school being so cavalier about letting all the kids cut themselves and then potentially bleed on each other/the whole classroom.
Seriously!  I've heard similar stories, but as a teacher I can't fathom doing something like that nowadays.  I'm a band teacher, and I'm not shy about letting students tinker with instruments/tools in order to solve problems, but giving kids needles or whatever to poke themselves/draw blood seems like a serious no-no!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 25, 2020, 03:32:21 PM
Proof in those days we humans were still a work in progress!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: brand4d2 on June 25, 2020, 09:58:30 PM
I had someone harass, threaten and discriminate against me on our Los Angeles public transit today.   They got up out of their seat, walked towards me and screamed about “why am I spreading the virus” and to “bring it back to your country”.    The entire time I’m “Jedi Mind Tricking” and hoping he stops his nonsense and hatred and walks back to his seat.   

If I really were covid positive, walking towards me would be the worst thing one could do so that doesn’t make too much sense to me.  It sure does not help when certain prominent leaders fan the flames of such negativity.   

When the quarantine and lockdown period began, I thought working in a facility where covid patients would be treated would be in and of itself the most difficult thing.   And for the first few weeks it was...it was extremely terrifying just setting foot on the floor where our covid care ward is located.   It felt like being in a combo of Stranger Things and Jurassic Park where the virus could be anywhere and strike at any time.   

Fast forward to now and that part is easy compared to seeing all the resistance and noncompliance with masks and distancing and not gathering in large groups.  Or else the anti Asian/Chinese rhetoric or the “covid is a hoax” rhetoric.   I really could not have envisioned that coping mentally with all this would be the greatest challenge. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 25, 2020, 10:39:46 PM
brand4d2, I’m sorry you experienced that.  I’m half Vietnamese and my mother is Vietnamese and I worry for her when she goes out.  I feel I have to guard her 24/7.  A couple of weeks ago, I took her to a Vietnamese market and from a distance a white woman who looks like she hasn’t showered in over a month was yelling “YOU DON’T BELONG HERE.”  I kept my mother a safe distance from her, but had she gotten close to us, I think there’s a good chance either one of us would end up in jail.

Sorry you got confronted with the reality of public transportation.  It seems to be a magnet for crazies of all races.  I grew up in New York and had to put up with them on occasion.  Sometimes I watch videos of public transportation shouting matches and fist fights on YouTube.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on June 26, 2020, 03:17:09 PM
These cons, in theory, are still a go!
http://comic-cons.xyz/events/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on June 26, 2020, 08:08:26 PM
@brand4d2 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=819) I'm so sorry that happened to you!  People can really be horrible. 

@Andrew Costa Mesa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=460) I'm sorry you and your mom were targeted as well.  What is wrong with people!?!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 29, 2020, 01:34:42 AM
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@brand4d2 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=819) I'm so sorry that happened to you!  People can really be horrible. 

@Andrew Costa Mesa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=460) I'm sorry you and your mom were targeted as well.  What is wrong with people!?!

Two things 1.) Some people react badly during a crisis/pandemic and 2.) We have a leader who doesn't lead by example.  That's what's wrong with people!
Title: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: VeggieKitten on June 29, 2020, 01:50:14 AM
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Two things 1.) Some people react badly during a crisis/pandemic and 2.) We have a leader who doesn't lead by example.  That's what's wrong with people!
I’ve been hearing about these incidents more and more. It’s racist scapegoating and despicable!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: VeggieKitten on June 29, 2020, 01:56:55 AM
@brand4d2

How awful! Please be careful and thank you for taking care of the patients. I read an article in Time magazine about this issue today.

https://time.com/5858649/racism-coronavirus/

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on June 29, 2020, 07:57:32 AM
So sorry that you had to endure that. Sounds awful.

I have to say that recent events genuinely make me sad that racism and many other forms of discrimination are very much alive and well in 2020.  I thought we had progressed further past this than we are.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 29, 2020, 09:04:50 PM
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I had someone harass, threaten and discriminate against me on our Los Angeles public transit today.   They got up out of their seat, walked towards me and screamed about “why am I spreading the virus” and to “bring it back to your country”.    The entire time I’m “Jedi Mind Tricking” and hoping he stops his nonsense and hatred and walks back to his seat.   

You have more Jedi calm than me.  In those situations I'm up on my feet and giving as good as I get.

At least you live in LA.  San Diego is still pretty redneck.  It's much better than it used to be but there are still parts of the county where people openly wear KKK hoods and are not shy about displaying swastikas.  Growing up here as a kid, I saw more Confederate flags than Old Glory.

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Fast forward to now and that part is easy compared to seeing all the resistance and noncompliance with masks and distancing and not gathering in large groups.  Or else the anti Asian/Chinese rhetoric or the “covid is a hoax” rhetoric.   I really could not have envisioned that coping mentally with all this would be the greatest challenge.

I feel the same.  The saddest part is the apathy of the American public.  They've gotten bored with covid and have decided to move on.  In the US, the pandemic is worse than it's ever been yet so many people are acting like it's old news.

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brand4d2, I’m sorry you experienced that.  I’m half Vietnamese and my mother is Vietnamese and I worry for her when she goes out.  I feel I have to guard her 24/7.  A couple of weeks ago, I took her to a Vietnamese market and from a distance a white woman who looks like she hasn’t showered in over a month was yelling “YOU DON’T BELONG HERE.”  I kept my mother a safe distance from her, but had she gotten close to us, I think there’s a good chance either one of us would end up in jail.

I feel the same about my parents.  If anyone messes with them, it's going to be a problem.  While a lot of racism comes from people that are un-kept, there are people that are perfectly presentable that are the same.  You can't judge a book by it's cover.  The recent spat of videos from New York and SF demonstrate that.

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Sorry you got confronted with the reality of public transportation.  It seems to be a magnet for crazies of all races.  I grew up in New York and had to put up with them on occasion.  Sometimes I watch videos of public transportation shouting matches and fist fights on YouTube.

New York public transit is downright delightful compared to San Diego.  People that only visit San Diego during comic-con don't realize how bad it is.  Since comic-con attendees so overwhelm the regular ridership.  It completely changes the atmosphere.  Outside of that on the Trolley I've seen fist fights, one so close that it got blood on my backpack.  I don't even ride the Trolley that much outside of comic-con, only to and from the airport.

I've taken public transit all over the world.  From France to China to Thailand to Peru.  It doesn't have to be bad.  In most of those countries it's great.  Especially in China and Japan.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: brand4d2 on July 01, 2020, 08:03:24 PM
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@brand4d2 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=819)

How awful! Please be careful and thank you for taking care of the patients. I read an article in Time magazine about this issue today.

https://time.com/5858649/racism-coronavirus/

Thanks!   Also thank you for that article link
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 06, 2020, 07:18:11 AM
well, sd has missed the worst of it till now.
this weekend we had all of the surrounding counties in semi-lockdown. SD was not so everyone came here for the long weekend. //sigh

rumor has it we're going back into lockdown on Tuesday.
I've been stocking up on food and essentials - I have a two month supply of TB & paper towels LOL

IKEA likely will close again, but home depot will continue there curbside pick up.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on July 06, 2020, 09:57:29 AM
How did your move go?


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 06, 2020, 11:08:24 AM
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How did your move go?

Good, i'm trying to get normalized now, ie unpacking & figuring out teh kitchen logic. that has me stumped.
In addition to being busy with getting back into my class and fixing everything that broke during the move
coffee grinder
motorcycle clutch
new grill
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on July 06, 2020, 02:43:57 PM
Kitchen logic: put things where you need them.

Near the stovetop: pots, frying pans, baking spoons/spatulas, spice rack/shelf
Near the oven: baking pans, oven mitts
Near the sink: cutting board, knives, strainers/collanders

Silverware should be in the drawer closest to the cabinet where you store plates and bowls. Preferably, all eating implements are close to your dishwasher (if you have one) or your sink/dishrack (if you don't).

 JMHO... this is what makes the most sense for me.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 06, 2020, 08:12:33 PM
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Kitchen logic: put things where you need them.

Near the stovetop: pots, frying pans, baking spoons/spatulas, spice rack/shelf
Near the oven: baking pans, oven mitts
Near the sink: cutting board, knives, strainers/collanders

Silverware should be in the drawer closest to the cabinet where you store plates and bowls. Preferably, all eating implements are close to your dishwasher (if you have one) or your sink/dishrack (if you don't).

 JMHO... this is what makes the most sense for me.
if i had the space, yes that would make sense, however I've got one cabinet with in easy reach of the stove & dishwasher. All of the other cabinets require a foot stool. yes i am height challenged.
i've got to hunt for a spice caddy that will fit
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 08, 2020, 06:35:06 PM
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A couple of weeks ago, I took her to a Vietnamese market and from a distance a white woman who looks like she hasn’t showered in over a month was yelling “YOU DON’T BELONG HERE.”

Here's an example of you can find racism from anyone anywhere.  Here's a well dressed CEO of a tech company in San Francisco.  Tech has a lot of Asians in it.  The Bay Area is roughly 33% Asian.  If it can happen there, in that industry, it can happen anywhere.

https://news.yahoo.com/san-francisco-tech-ceo-filmed-002721448.html

The waitress at that restaurant is a hero.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/07/08/waitress-gennica-cochran-michael-lofthouse-racist-insults-online-fundraisers/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 09, 2020, 10:23:46 AM
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well, sd has missed the worst of it till now.
this weekend we had all of the surrounding counties in semi-lockdown. SD was not so everyone came here for the long weekend. //sigh

rumor has it we're going back into lockdown on Tuesday.
I've been stocking up on food and essentials - I have a two month supply of TB & paper towels LOL

IKEA likely will close again, but home depot will continue there curbside pick up.
Man, I hit the 'almost-worst' of it myself this past July 4th weekend.  I've been out of my house literally 12 times since mid-March and I somehow got he worst sick I've ever gotten (of course, a couple of those times were last week trying to get my car smog-checked/fixed).  From July 4th-July 6th I couldn't even keep down fluid, let alone food.  I was _seriously_ terrified I'd have to go to a hospital of an IV or something to rehydrate but luckily (? maybe not?) I was stubborn enough my wife didn't force the issue.  By July 7th I was able to hold down some gatorade & a few bowl of crackers and by the 8th I hadn't puked for almost 24 hours.  I was soooo weak/wobbly yesterday: and exhausted.  Like, walking from the couch to the kitchen & back took all my energy (note: I live in an 1100 square foot condo).  I'd never been this sick for this long before!


Today, July 9th, I feel even closer to 'normal:' like, I actually feel thirsty, as opposed to "I know I have to force myself to drink as much water/gatorade/whatever as possible" and eating PB toast didn't feel like an arduous chore.  Luckily my wife & 2 kids are fine, and seem unaffected so I'll take that as a win!  Last night my wife was able to sleep in bed again for the first time since Friday (she stay in the living room/couch from Sat-Tues while I crashed in bed).

I can only assume I caught some gnarly bug from a mechanic or smog tester or something.  I haven't eaten out/gotten pick-up since early March so it's not food poisoning.  This is just your friendly reminder than in the midst of a pandemic you can still get sick in other awful ways.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on July 09, 2020, 11:19:22 AM
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Man, I hit the 'almost-worst' of it myself this past July 4th weekend.  I've been out of my house literally 12 times since mid-March and I somehow got he worst sick I've ever gotten (of course, a couple of those times were last week trying to get my car smog-checked/fixed).  From July 4th-July 6th I couldn't even keep down fluid, let alone food.  I was _seriously_ terrified I'd have to go to a hospital of an IV or something to rehydrate but luckily (? maybe not?) I was stubborn enough my wife didn't force the issue.  By July 7th I was able to hold down some gatorade & a few bowl of crackers and by the 8th I hadn't puked for almost 24 hours.  I was soooo weak/wobbly yesterday: and exhausted.  Like, walking from the couch to the kitchen & back took all my energy (note: I live in an 1100 square foot condo).  I'd never been this sick for this long before!


Today, July 9th, I feel even closer to 'normal:' like, I actually feel thirsty, as opposed to "I know I have to force myself to drink as much water/gatorade/whatever as possible" and eating PB toast didn't feel like an arduous chore.  Luckily my wife & 2 kids are fine, and seem unaffected so I'll take that as a win!  Last night my wife was able to sleep in bed again for the first time since Friday (she stay in the living room/couch from Sat-Tues while I crashed in bed).

I can only assume I caught some gnarly bug from a mechanic or smog tester or something.  I haven't eaten out/gotten pick-up since early March so it's not food poisoning.  This is just your friendly reminder than in the midst of a pandemic you can still get sick in other awful ways.

Would be interesting to see the results if you get the antibody test.  I've heard of so many different symptoms with the virus!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on July 09, 2020, 12:00:57 PM
This sounds like what Pink and her kid went through when they had Covid-19

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 09, 2020, 12:14:22 PM
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(of course, a couple of those times were last week trying to get my car smog-checked/fixed).

My smog test was due right as the lock down happened.  So I haven't done it yet.  I thought about getting it done recently but then the spike in cases happened so I put it off.  I hope the police take heed of the DMV's plea to exercise leniency when it comes to expired registration.  I wished the DMV would have suspended the smog requirement this year.  That's the only part that needs to be done in person to renew a car registration.

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Would be interesting to see the results if you get the antibody test.  I've heard of so many different symptoms with the virus!

The latest being brain damage.  It's pretty clear now that covid is not a respiratory illness.  It's a whole body illness.  The lungs are just one of the organs it attacks.  Which is more reason not to get it.  Even in people with mild illness, there can be lasting damage.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on July 09, 2020, 12:49:28 PM
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My smog test was due right as the lock down happened.  So I haven't done it yet.  I thought about getting it done recently but then the spike in cases happened so I put it off.  I hope the police take heed of the DMV's plea to exercise leniency when it comes to expired registration.  I wished the DMV would have suspended the smog requirement this year.  That's the only part that needs to be done in person to renew a car registration.


I'm sure you know this, but the CA DMV is usually pretty lenient about late smog checks as long as the fee gets paid on time. So if you haven't paid the registration fee, you should do that right away. Then get to the smog check when it's safer.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 09, 2020, 12:55:10 PM
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I'm sure you know this, but the CA DMV is usually pretty lenient about late smog checks as long as the fee gets paid on time. So if you haven't paid the registration fee, you should do that right away. Then get to the smog check when it's safer.
This is exactly what I ended up doing: paid registration w/out the smog check.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 09, 2020, 12:58:37 PM
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Would be interesting to see the results if you get the antibody test.  I've heard of so many different symptoms with the virus!
Yeah, I've been thinking that: wondering if I did _have_ to go into the hospital for an IV or something, what a test would reveal.  I still feel exhausted today, and my heart rate is definitely higher than normal while 'resting.'

FWIW I never had a fever or coughing (outside of coughing due to allergies), though doing some research and talking to others it seems like the symptoms really run the gambit.  A friend of my wife's knew someone who had almost exact symptoms I had/have.  I dunno.  I suspect a huge portion of the country thinks they had COVID-19 (conversely there's likely another large subset who never knew they actually did have it).  I more like "being violently ill on July 4 is soooooo on brand for 2020 amiright?  :P"
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 09, 2020, 01:14:08 PM
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I'm sure you know this, but the CA DMV is usually pretty lenient about late smog checks as long as the fee gets paid on time. So if you haven't paid the registration fee, you should do that right away. Then get to the smog check when it's safer.

That's what I did.  I paid the fee on time and got the letter saying I wouldn't have to do anything but get the smog test to complete registration.  The smog test would be sent electronically and it would all happen automatically.  Which is different than the way it used to be.  If the fee was paid before the smog test, then you had to physically go into an office and turn in the smog test.  So at least they are trying to make it as contactless as possible.

Still without a smog test the registration is not complete.  There's no valid registration and thus it's not legal to operate the vehicle on public roads.  That's why the DMV issued a plea to law enforcement to be lenient.  Since smog tests are every other year for most cars, it would have been great if they had made this a no smog test year for everyone.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on July 09, 2020, 02:17:40 PM
I got a smog check at the end of March. I called around, found a place near me that was open, and made an appointment. I was the only person in the place, and I was out in 10 minutes. No problem at all. You may want to check your local places.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 09, 2020, 02:18:07 PM
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Man, I hit the 'almost-worst' of it myself this past July 4th weekend.  I've been out of my house literally 12 times since mid-March and I somehow got he worst sick I've ever gotten (of course, a couple of those times were last week trying to get my car smog-checked/fixed).  From July 4th-July 6th I couldn't even keep down fluid, let alone food.  I was _seriously_ terrified I'd have to go to a hospital of an IV or something to rehydrate but luckily (? maybe not?) I was stubborn enough my wife didn't force the issue.  By July 7th I was able to hold down some gatorade & a few bowl of crackers and by the 8th I hadn't puked for almost 24 hours.  I was soooo weak/wobbly yesterday: and exhausted.  Like, walking from the couch to the kitchen & back took all my energy (note: I live in an 1100 square foot condo).  I'd never been this sick for this long before!


Today, July 9th, I feel even closer to 'normal:' like, I actually feel thirsty, as opposed to "I know I have to force myself to drink as much water/gatorade/whatever as possible" and eating PB toast didn't feel like an arduous chore.  Luckily my wife & 2 kids are fine, and seem unaffected so I'll take that as a win!  Last night my wife was able to sleep in bed again for the first time since Friday (she stay in the living room/couch from Sat-Tues while I crashed in bed).

I can only assume I caught some gnarly bug from a mechanic or smog tester or something.  I haven't eaten out/gotten pick-up since early March so it's not food poisoning.  This is just your friendly reminder than in the midst of a pandemic you can still get sick in other awful ways.

Sorry that happened to you. Getting sick these days is scary.

A coworker got me sick right when all this started.  Not cool of him.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on July 10, 2020, 11:28:47 AM
My company has been working from home since March. I go into the office once every few weeks to check on things. Previously, it was kind of fun to go in once in awhile because I had the whole office to myself and could get a lot done. But when I went last week, it felt a little different. I picked up lunch to go and ate it in the lunch room by myself. I saw the notes on the whiteboard for the last meeting which was over 4 months ago. That's when it really hit me...we're in this for the long haul.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Devorah on July 10, 2020, 07:54:35 PM
My son just asked me to update my dry erase calendar. It was still on March and I guess it was eating at him. :(


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 11, 2020, 09:22:48 AM
during the quarantine break last month, i was able to find a new place to live. I completed the move on July 1. For the next round of lockdown/shelter in place I will be comfortable. I will have plenty of food laid in for the long haul and *lots* of home improvement project to work on LOL

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 12, 2020, 06:15:40 PM
I just finished running around the outside of the house making sure there wasn't a fire.  The air outside has that acrid electric ozone smell.  I think it's the Navy ship burning in the harbor.  That's about 10 miles away.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 12, 2020, 10:49:43 PM
Im curious.  How long have people stayed quarantined with no other contact like groceries, deliveries, etc.

Mine is only 3 days.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on July 13, 2020, 07:22:42 AM
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Im curious.  How long have people stayed quarantined with no other contact like groceries, deliveries, etc.

Mine is only 3 days.
3 weeks

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 13, 2020, 09:17:26 AM
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I just finished running around the outside of the house making sure there wasn't a fire.  The air outside has that acrid electric ozone smell.  I think it's the Navy ship burning in the harbor.  That's about 10 miles away.

i was smelling the electrical fire smell in El Cerrito yesterday afternoon. nothing this morning.

@Chris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3) for me the gating factor is fresh veg/fruit & milk. If i stock up on cabbage/B.sprouts/froz. veg & freeze milk, i can go 10 ish days
but i'm on a weight loss program & staying away from carbs
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: jamiesugah on July 13, 2020, 09:43:17 AM
My company started slowly trickling back in last week, but my building is still empty. Our building has been sold, and we were supposed to have been moving all the departments into the main complex. In fact, my department was supposed to move in February but they couldn't get our equipment working so they pushed it back. They'll be started back up with construction sometime this month, and according to my supervisor, we won't be fully staffed until we're moved into the new space. (My department has one person in at a time on a rotational basis, though there are only three of us comfortable coming in.)

Unfortunately, the company was doing things like offering free lunches to whoever was working. Now that people are starting to come back, the lunches have stopped and the cafeteria is open, but because my building isn't technically reopening, I did not know that. I was walking up to the main complex to get lunch on the weeks that it was my turn to be in the office, and today I discovered there aren't any more lunches. If I'd known that, I could have brought my own food. Now I have to go buy something.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 13, 2020, 10:03:39 AM
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Im curious.  How long have people stayed quarantined with no other contact like groceries, deliveries, etc.

Mine is only 3 days.

I literally haven't set foot in a grocery store since March 16th.  My wife has gone to Trader Joe's twice & Target twice (once as 'deliver/pick-up' and once last weekend when I was really sick).  We have Amazon Prime so we get groceries delivered.  I have been to my local pharmacy 3 times since March 16th for my monthly prescription, but it's incredibly well-run & clean.

There are too many stupid people, even in our neck of the woods in San Diego, who refuse to wear masks in a pandemic.  My wife has asthma so we're being extra cautious for the most part.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 13, 2020, 10:25:31 AM
the smell of the ship fire is strong this morning in el cerrito-

the wind must have shifted between 7:30a and 10am
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 13, 2020, 10:33:45 AM
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the smell of the ship fire is strong this morning in el cerrito-

the wind must have shifted between 7:30a and 10am
the video I saw yesterday on the local news looked awful
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 13, 2020, 11:38:34 AM
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the video I saw yesterday on the local news looked awful
i was downtown yesterday at around 2pm & smelled nothing. i was close to the convention center too-
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 13, 2020, 11:59:04 AM
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the smell of the ship fire is strong this morning in el cerrito-

the wind must have shifted between 7:30a and 10am

I was thinking that we would have to keep the AC on all night.  But last night at around 10PM the air cleared and has stayed that way.

I was really kind of freaking out when I first smelled it.  I thought a solar panel had shorted out.

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Im curious.  How long have people stayed quarantined with no other contact like groceries, deliveries, etc.

Mine is only 3 days.

My longest single stretch has been about a month.  Then the dog started having multiple health problems.  So now I'm gated by a vet visit every 1-2 weeks, unfortunate timing.  If it wasn't for that, I have enough food to be buttoned up for 3 months as long as the water keeps running.  That would be using up our emergency freeze dried end of the world the zombies are on the march supplies.

I used to order food to be delivered but now I've converted over to Walmart drive up pickup which works great.  The handful of times I've stepped into a store was to hit a pharmacy to get medicine for the dog.

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There are too many stupid people, even in our neck of the woods in San Diego, who refuse to wear masks in a pandemic.  My wife has asthma so we're being extra cautious for the most part.

I don't think many people conceptually get the point of wearing a mask.  At the vets, the parking lot has become the waiting room.  People are very good about wearing a mask when they leave their car but they seem to think there's a magic shield around them while they are in it.  They don't wear a mask.  A lot of people drive pickups or SUVs so the parking lot has turned into an impromptu tailgate party.  People sit out the back of their SUV or on the tailgate of their pickup.  They sit there chatting away with the person in the next truck over that's about 3 feet away without masks on.

I don't know why there are so many people at the vet.  Normally I only see 3 or 4 people in the waiting room.  Now the entire parking lot is full and some people even have to park on the street.  It could be that people that used to drop off their friends and then pick them up later are now waiting instead.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 13, 2020, 12:40:07 PM
California just announced that we are starting to close back up again.  30 counties, including massive LA county, have been ordered to cease all indoor activities.  Offices, restaurants, bars, gyms and movie theaters are to close.

This is during the summer lull, this winter is not looking good.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 24, 2020, 05:26:05 PM
I had to make an urgent medication run this afternoon.  I went to a store that I haven't gone to since I locked down.  So I haven't taken this route in 4 months.  I didn't realize there was a covid drive thru test site so close to where I live.  It wasn't what I expected.  On the news the wait is all day and the line miles long.  There was no one there.  Not a single car.  A long line had been roped off, it bled into the next parking lot over but there weren't any cars.  Just a bunch of people in scrubs sitting in the hot sun waiting.  At least now I know where to go.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on September 05, 2020, 07:59:35 PM
This phase is pretty depressing. While more things have been reopening...we’ve also been getting back the bad things that come along with it (traffic, crowds, slightly more difficult parking) but with none of the nice things (cons, concerts) while many of the discounts that we saw back in March/April on food and especially beer have vanished. Business travel has been replaced by Zoom meetings, which basically keeps everything bad about these conferences (schmoozing, abundancy of talks that may not be that interesting or useful) with nothing good about them (nice hotel, amusing after hours events, general change of scenery.) Cons that were rescheduled from spring to later in the year have either been rescheduled again or officially canceled. Many of our favorite businesses are closed for good and others are barely hanging on. After putting in our time during the lockdown, coronavirus cases increased once they got the chance to...sheltering in place didn’t solve the issue, it only delayed it, while also creating a host of new problems. And being stuck at home with no a/c while it’s sweltering and burning outside, getting the smell of smoke from the fires...I’m just not having a good place right now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on September 05, 2020, 09:27:34 PM
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I had to make an urgent medication run this afternoon.  I went to a store that I haven't gone to since I locked down.  So I haven't taken this route in 4 months.  I didn't realize there was a covid drive thru test site so close to where I live.  It wasn't what I expected.  On the news the wait is all day and the line miles long.  There was no one there.  Not a single car.  A long line had been roped off, it bled into the next parking lot over but there weren't any cars.  Just a bunch of people in scrubs sitting in the hot sun waiting.  At least now I know where to go.

Well, a friend of a friend tested positive & it was suggested i get tested.
after looking on the SD 211 site i found a site open today that didn't require a reservation. there was one car ahead of me. 

I should have results in 3-5 days so Tues-thursday.

I hate this, every throat twinge/cough is the 'omg, i've got covid'
if i am exposed, it would be my second time so chances are the symptoms would be less severe.

If negative, i'm likely going to have to have a second test
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on September 05, 2020, 09:35:20 PM
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This phase is pretty depressing. While more things have been reopening...we’ve also been getting back the bad things that come along with it (traffic, crowds, slightly more difficult parking) but with none of the nice things (cons, concerts) while many of the discounts that we saw back in March/April on food and especially beer have vanished. Business travel has been replaced by Zoom meetings, which basically keeps everything bad about these conferences (schmoozing, abundancy of talks that may not be that interesting or useful) with nothing good about them (nice hotel, amusing after hours events, general change of scenery.) Cons that were rescheduled from spring to later in the year have either been rescheduled again or officially canceled. Many of our favorite businesses are closed for good and others are barely hanging on. After putting in our time during the lockdown, coronavirus cases increased once they got the chance to...sheltering in place didn’t solve the issue, it only delayed it, while also creating a host of new problems. And being stuck at home with no a/c while it’s sweltering and burning outside, getting the smell of smoke from the fires...I’m just not having a good place right now.
the constant smoke smell would drive me crazy.
perhaps springing for an AC unit would help? it cleans the air in addition to cooling.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on September 05, 2020, 09:55:15 PM
The landlord doesn’t allow that, this is an old unit and we can’t use anything as powerful as an AC. Good thing the heating works, since we can’t use space heaters either (they trip the switch.) Not much we can do about the heat except for use fans. In other years, excessive heat hasn’t been as big of a deal since I could just spend all day at work then hit the gym, restaurant, and bubble tea shop til late. Not so much this year.  We got an air purifier which helps somewhat with the smoke.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 05, 2020, 11:10:36 PM
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I should have results in 3-5 days so Tues-thursday.

I have my fingers crossed for you.

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The landlord doesn%u2019t allow that, this is an old unit and we can%u2019t use anything as powerful as an AC.

Have you thought about an evaporative cooler?  It's what they use in countries where people can't afford to pay for electricity to run AC.  The big power use is a fan.  Until about 10 years ago I didn't see them widely available here in the US but now they are common.  They don't work as well as AC but they definitely work better than just a fan.  I spent a lot of time sitting in front of one in India.

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After putting in our time during the lockdown, coronavirus cases increased once they got the chance to...sheltering in place didn%u2019t solve the issue, it only delayed it, while also creating a host of new problems.

That's because we didn't do a real lockdown.  Since the start, I've commented that where I live I didn't see much evidence of a lockdown.  It seemed normal.  Fauci is diplomatic about it and says something like we did a 50% lockdown.  Other people use more colorful language to describe how bad it went.

The countries that have covid under control would still be in a lockdown, a real one, with the numbers we have.  They wouldn't be pretending it's passed.  In a country that did a real lockdown people were at home.  Not just not at work, but at home with maybe 1 person in the house going to get supplies a week.  No hanging out at the beach, no walks around the block.  2 of my neighbors have had fill up the street with cars house parties since this all started.  Those countries enforced their lockdowns with multi-thousand dollar fines for anyone caught outside without good reason.  Here in San Diego, our lockdown started with the Sheriff saying he wouldn't enforce it.  Where they did a real lockdown, the highways would be empty.  On a 8 lane highway there would maybe only be a single car seen occasionally.  Here in San Diego, I didn't notice much reduction in traffic at all.

The countries that had a large outbreak and now have it under control did 4 key things.  Lockdown, mask wearing, rapid turnaround testing(< 24 hours) and contact tracing.  If as few as 4 cases are found, that city goes back into strict lockdown.  Stricter than anything we've done here.  Other than maybe mask wearing, we haven't done any of that.  The countries that have done those things and have covid under control are pretty much back to normal.  Instead we did a half measure at great economic cost for little gain.  We don't have to worry about a second wave.  We are still well within our first wave with no end in sight. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on September 06, 2020, 12:02:10 AM
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Have you thought about an evaporative cooler?  It's what they use in countries where people can't afford to pay for electricity to run AC.  The big power use is a fan.  Until about 10 years ago I didn't see them widely available here in the US but now they are common.  They don't work as well as AC but they definitely work better than just a fan.  I spent a lot of time sitting in front of one in India.

Thanks for the rec, I’ll check into that! I’m open to anything that works better than what I currently have.

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That's because we didn't do a real lockdown.  Since the start, I've commented that where I live I didn't see much evidence of a lockdown.  It seemed normal.  Fauci is diplomatic about it and says something like we did a 50% lockdown.  Other people use more colorful language to describe how bad it went.

The countries that have covid under control would still be in a lockdown, a real one, with the numbers we have.  They wouldn't be pretending it's passed.  In a country that did a real lockdown people were at home.  Not just not at work, but at home with maybe 1 person in the house going to get supplies a week.  No hanging out at the beach, no walks around the block.  2 of my neighbors have had fill up the street with cars house parties since this all started.  Those countries enforced their lockdowns with multi-thousand dollar fines for anyone caught outside without good reason.  Here in San Diego, our lockdown started with the Sheriff saying he wouldn't enforce it.  Where they did a real lockdown, the highways would be empty.  On a 8 lane highway there would maybe only be a single car seen occasionally.  Here in San Diego, I didn't notice much reduction in traffic at all.

The countries that had a large outbreak and now have it under control did 4 key things.  Lockdown, mask wearing, rapid turnaround testing(< 24 hours) and contact tracing.  If as few as 4 cases are found, that city goes back into strict lockdown.  Stricter than anything we've done here.  Other than maybe mask wearing, we haven't done any of that.  The countries that have done those things and have covid under control are pretty much back to normal.  Instead we did a half measure at great economic cost for little gain.  We don't have to worry about a second wave.  We are still well within our first wave with no end in sight.

Yeah, exactly. While it seemed like instructions were followed better up here in the Bay Area at least for awhile (I certainly did my part and most others I know didn’t go out unless necessary either) this country didn’t do a full one and never was going to. Part of the reason why they sold the lockdowns to us was to give them time to build up the proper testing, contact tracing capacity, etc, and that didn’t happen and probably never will no matter how long we wait around at home. So now I think we just need to forget about keeping everybody put away and focus on mitigation. Wear masks, put resources into protecting the most vulnerable (nursing and retirement homes, meat packing plants) and just let the rest of the chips fall where they may.

Also, lockdowns weren’t necessary for every place that got it under control, such as Taiwan and South Korea. Some places had success with them but it was (and continues to be) a gamble. Europe did much stricter lockdowns than us and but I wouldn’t say they have it under control either. Peru tried to lock down long and hard...now they have the world’s highest death rate. New Zealand and Vietnam did complete lockdowns and it worked for 100 days but they both got Covid back, I guess we’ll see what they do this time.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 06, 2020, 01:38:37 AM
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this country didn’t do a full one and never was going to.

At this point, I'm afraid you are right.  There was a slim chance when this all started that we could have gotten our act together.  Instead, we did the opposite.  Now it's tribal.  Some people now derive their identity from defying the lockdowns and refusing to wear masks.  That's not going to change easily if ever.

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Also, lockdowns weren’t necessary for every place that got it under control, such as Taiwan and South Korea.

I would also include Hong Kong in there.  There were no official lockdowns because they weren't needed.  The populations spontaneously lock themselves down.  They didn't need to be told or cajoled.  They acted before the government had a chance to.  Especially in Hong Kong.  They remembered sars so when sars 2 hit, they knew exactly what to do.  Remember back then the democracy protests were in full swing.  Those came to an abrupt end.


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New Zealand and Vietnam did complete lockdowns and it worked for 100 days but they both got Covid back, I guess we’ll see what they do this time.

New Zealand was who I was referring to about a country that locked a city down again with only 4 new cases.  When that happened a month ago after 102 days of no cases, NZ locked Auckland down again.  It worked.  Active cases in Auckland topped out at about 30 and have declined down to 23.  There's another area of the country with a similar cluster but otherwise NZ is still covid free.  No active cases.  Note how small those numbers are.  In the media here, we make a big deal about other countries having new outbreaks.  The numbers involved are so small that it would be noise in the numbers here.  We would be celebrating if we had numbers that low in similarly sized metro areas.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on September 06, 2020, 10:27:55 AM
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I have my fingers crossed for you.

thx

i'm not worried for myself but don't want to spread it. I'm just hoping it's 3 days not 5.

If i come back neg. i'm going to have to get another one since i might have been exposed on fri & was tested on Sat.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on September 06, 2020, 12:34:11 PM
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thx

i'm not worried for myself but don't want to spread it. I'm just hoping it's 3 days not 5.

If i come back neg. i'm going to have to get another one since i might have been exposed on fri & was tested on Sat.

Hope its negative.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on September 06, 2020, 12:36:04 PM
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The landlord doesn’t allow that, this is an old unit and we can’t use anything as powerful as an AC. Good thing the heating works, since we can’t use space heaters either (they trip the switch.) Not much we can do about the heat except for use fans. In other years, excessive heat hasn’t been as big of a deal since I could just spend all day at work then hit the gym, restaurant, and bubble tea shop til late. Not so much this year.  We got an air purifier which helps somewhat with the smoke.

When we had the fires in SD in 2004, I got fans and pointed them out the windows which helps.

Showers helped to give the lungs a chance to clear out and take in less smoke.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 08, 2020, 12:22:23 PM
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If i come back neg. i'm going to have to get another one since i might have been exposed on fri & was tested on Sat.

At least two tests is the standard because the tests are so unreliable.  False positives are rare but false negatives are common.  Per the CDC, with the numbers we have in San Diego, the test is about 49% accurate.

There have been numerous reports of people not testing positive even though they were clearly sick until the 8th or 9th test.  One high profile example is Alyssa Milano.  She was tested repeatedly and came back negative even though she was sick enough to be hospitalized.  It wasn't until 4 months into it that she finally tested positive.  Unfortunately she is also a long termer so is still having symptoms months after onset.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on September 08, 2020, 05:51:26 PM
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At least two tests is the standard because the tests are so unreliable.  False positives are rare but false negatives are common.  Per the CDC, with the numbers we have in San Diego, the test is about 49% accurate.

There have been numerous reports of people not testing positive even though they were clearly sick until the 8th or 9th test.  One high profile example is Alyssa Milano.  She was tested repeatedly and came back negative even though she was sick enough to be hospitalized.  It wasn't until 4 months into it that she finally tested positive.  Unfortunately she is also a long termer so is still having symptoms months after onset.

the first came back neg but it was done less then 24 hrs after exposure. I retook the test today, 4 days after exposure. 3-5 days is the time frame.

oddly, the neg results came back within 24 hrs of taking the test. I'm guessing they're batching tests for fast results
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 09, 2020, 12:26:49 AM
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the first came back neg but it was done less then 24 hrs after exposure. I retook the test today, 4 days after exposure. 3-5 days is the time frame.

oddly, the neg results came back within 24 hrs of taking the test. I'm guessing they're batching tests for fast results

That's good to hear.  I hope your other test comes back negative as well.  I think the test load in San Diego is low thus the turn around is quick.  I still haven't seen a single car at my local test site.  Yesterday they were closed.  I know people back east that are still waiting for their results after a week.  They were told 7-10 days.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on September 09, 2020, 08:29:37 AM
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That's good to hear.  I hope your other test comes back negative as well.  I think the test load in San Diego is low thus the turn around is quick.  I still haven't seen a single car at my local test site.  Yesterday they were closed.  I know people back east that are still waiting for their results after a week.  They were told 7-10 days.
I'm preparing for a 10 day lockdown and frankly grateful for the pause.
Having been through an earlier version of covid, my odds are good for a positive immune response.

Yes, I agree tho, the testing sites have been fast and not crowded but I always go first thing in the morning.

While I got my results quick the person who I suspect has covid, that I was in contact with last Friday, has not gotten his results back yet. Today is day 4 after the test was taken.
If his results are positive, I will quarantine. We shared a meal and were not social distancing.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on September 11, 2020, 09:37:25 AM
My second test was neg.
I must resume census work #grumble

Ikik, I AM glad I'm not going to be sick.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 11, 2020, 11:12:31 AM
I'm glad it's negative.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on September 11, 2020, 06:06:42 PM
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My second test was neg.
I must resume census work #grumble

Ikik, I AM glad I'm not going to be sick.

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YEA!!!! on the negative test
 :( in the census work, I guess (but I suspect it beats being sick)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on September 12, 2020, 08:14:39 AM
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YEA!!!! on the negative test
 :( in the census work, I guess (but I suspect it beats being sick)
LOL
yeah it beats being sick

unless you're asymptomatic then it's ten days of getting my house back in order and studying

thanks everyone for caring #hugs
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 16, 2020, 11:18:12 PM
Bad news.  CDC Director Robert Redfield says he predicts the coronavirus vaccine won’t be widely available to the general public until either June or July of 2021 but said it could be ready as soon as this December to the more vulnerable people like the elderly, people with health issues, first responders and front line workers.  His comments earned a stern rebuke from President Trump.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/cdc-director-says-coronavirus-vaccines-wont-be-widely-available-till-the-middle-of-next-year/2020/09/16/209fecf6-f827-11ea-be57-d00bb9bc632d_story.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on September 18, 2020, 12:01:19 PM
I found this to be a good article that is not political.

https://elemental.medium.com/the-most-likely-way-youll-get-infected-with-covid-19-30430384e5a5



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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 15, 2020, 07:32:07 PM
I'm so happy that my Costco now has self checkout.  I don't like the idea of people who've touched everyone else's items then touching my items.  Even before covid, I would put everything in the cart with the UPCs up.  They prefer people leave things in the cart, it's easier for everyone involved.  They can then scan all the items without having to touch anything.  Most cashiers do that.  Some will still pick up every item before scanning it.  I gently remind them that they don't have to do that since all the UPCs are already visible and ready to scan.

I don't like people fondling my food so I always use self checkout whenever possible.  Costco was the last big store I go to that didn't have self checkout.  Now it does.

On another topic, I didn't know that my local schools were open again for in person class.  But driving to Costco, I saw all the students there at the intersections waiting for the light to change.  No social distancing whatsoever and very few of them wearing masks.  It doesn't matter what the rules are in class if none of that is honored on the way to and from school.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SDcomics on October 19, 2020, 11:13:56 AM
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I must resume census work #grumble

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbI1eJ_zAB8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbI1eJ_zAB8)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on October 19, 2020, 11:40:41 AM
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on October 19, 2020, 09:36:24 PM
Any time I hear the name Smith, I 100% think of this sketch and I LOVE it

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on October 28, 2020, 08:53:16 PM
i'm soo sorry for your loss. i can't imagine what i would do if i lost Budlet, my beardie.
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Post by: TardisMom on October 29, 2020, 10:48:00 AM
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I'm so sorry.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 29, 2020, 12:35:27 PM
Thanks for the condolences.  It's weird.  She's been in the hospital overnight before.  Then the house felt so empty.  Today, it feels like she's wandering around somewhere in the house.  I kind of expect her to pop out at any moment.  I know it won't happen.  It just feels that way.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on October 29, 2020, 02:04:44 PM
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Thanks for the condolences.  It's weird.  She's been in the hospital overnight before.  Then the house felt so empty.  Today, it feels like she's wandering around somewhere in the house.  I kind of expect her to pop out at any moment.  I know it won't happen.  It just feels that way.
I still find myself wanting pick up the phone to talk to my dad who died 20 years ago.
:'(

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 05, 2020, 11:36:13 PM
It's been lost amid the election coverage.  The US broke 100,000 new covid cases in a day yesterday.  Then today we broke 120,000.  The winter spike has begun.

Take care.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 06, 2020, 11:33:18 AM
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It's been lost amid the election coverage.  The US broke 100,000 new covid cases in a day yesterday.  Then today we broke 120,000.  The winter spike has begun.

Take care.
i went in for another covid test. I figured it's best to make sure i didn't catch it while working the polls
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on November 06, 2020, 01:00:56 PM
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 06, 2020, 01:24:36 PM
it's so easy to test these days
it's silly to not get tested LOL
it took 30 min's due to the morning rush. i expect the results tomorrow or sunday
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on November 06, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
Be well all! I can’t live without you!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 06, 2020, 05:55:32 PM
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it's so easy to test these days
it's silly to not get tested LOL
it took 30 min's due to the morning rush. i expect the results tomorrow or sunday

Our health insurance company has offered to send us home test kits just in case.  So that we would have them on hand if needed.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 09, 2020, 09:08:01 AM
Pfizer releases announcement of a vaccine with 90% efficacy.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against

Airline and cruise line stocks are way up on this news.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on November 09, 2020, 09:09:08 AM
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Pfizer releases announcement of a vaccine with 90% efficacy.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against

Airline and cruise line stocks are way up on this news.



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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 09, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
60 min had an interview with the person currently in control of distributing the vaccine. He actually sounded good. He's got a military logistics background.
while i assume things will change over the next few month with the different management, i hope the ground work done by the military is still useful.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 09, 2020, 09:45:52 AM
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Pfizer releases announcement of a vaccine with 90% efficacy.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against

Airline and cruise line stocks are way up on this news.

Not just airline and cruise stocks, all stocks other than the stay at home trade.

Now we'll have to see if enough people take it.  Hopefully the other vaccine candidates will have similar results.  Pfizer alone will not be able to supply enough doses for everyone.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 09, 2020, 10:06:39 AM
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Pfizer releases announcement of a vaccine with 90% efficacy.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against

Airline and cruise line stocks are way up on this news.
**Note About That Press Release**
The press release comes directly from the private corporation (Pfizer), and _NOT_ from a peer-reviewed medical journal.  That means there is no independent verification and a lot of 'what-ifs' in that press release.
I say that from a colleague of mine that works in a science/medical lab (that's also working on a vaccine).

What does that mean?  I think "cautious optimism" is pertinent: this is great news, no doubt, but until there are further tests (for example, to verify long-term viability) and peer-reviewed results, we can't get _too_ excited.

But, yea: I'll absolutely take this good news!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 09, 2020, 01:18:25 PM
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But, yea: I'll absolutely take this good news!!

and barring evidence of neg. outcomes, i'll be in line to take the vaccine ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on November 09, 2020, 05:23:33 PM
ME TOO!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 09, 2020, 07:01:23 PM
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and barring evidence of neg. outcomes, i'll be in line to take the vaccine ;)

That's going to be pretty long line.

I think we can trust how Pfizer is portraying this.  I tend to trust Pfizer to begin with but I doubt Pfizer even has the data yet.  Pfizer is relaying what they've been told by the independent group running the clinical trials.

One thing does not add up for me.  The CEO of Pfizer says that by summer of 2021 that anyone who wants a shot can get a shot.  Unless he doesn't think many people will, I don't see how there will be enough vaccine for that unless he's also considering vaccines from other companies.  Pfizer will be able to make 1.3 Billion does through 2021.  That's 650 million people that can be vaccinated, 2 doses are required per person.  That's Pfizer's production for the world.  Even taking China out of equation, there are 6.4 billion people in the world.  So Pfizer will make enough vaccine for 1 in 10 people.  Right now, the US allocation from those 1.3 billion doses is 100 million.  So the US will have enough Pfizer vaccine for 50 million people.

There should be other vaccines though.  The Moderna vaccine is very similar to the Pfizer vaccine.  So if the Pfizer vaccine works then so should Moderna's.  Hopefully there will be enough different vaccines from different companies that there will be enough to vaccinate everyone who wants it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 10, 2020, 02:04:50 PM
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That's going to be pretty long line.

I think we can trust how Pfizer is portraying this.  I tend to trust Pfizer to begin with but I doubt Pfizer even has the data yet.  Pfizer is relaying what they've been told by the independent group running the clinical trials.

One thing does not add up for me.  The CEO of Pfizer says that by summer of 2021 that anyone who wants a shot can get a shot.  Unless he doesn't think many people will, I don't see how there will be enough vaccine for that unless he's also considering vaccines from other companies.  Pfizer will be able to make 1.3 Billion does through 2021.  That's 650 million people that can be vaccinated, 2 doses are required per person.  That's Pfizer's production for the world.  Even taking China out of equation, there are 6.4 billion people in the world.  So Pfizer will make enough vaccine for 1 in 10 people.  Right now, the US allocation from those 1.3 billion doses is 100 million.  So the US will have enough Pfizer vaccine for 50 million people.

There should be other vaccines though.  The Moderna vaccine is very similar to the Pfizer vaccine.  So if the Pfizer vaccine works then so should Moderna's.  Hopefully there will be enough different vaccines from different companies that there will be enough to vaccinate everyone who wants it.
Fauci tells CNN the general public should be able to get the Pfizer Covid vaccine around late April.  I'm wondering as well how the math works for that, but this is promising at the very least: #CautiouslyOptimistic
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 11, 2020, 12:23:09 PM
The math is funky.  The US says that we have the option to acquire another 500,000 doses in addition to the 100,000 already allocated.  That's half of the 1.3 billion global supply.  Europe too lays claim to a few hundred million doses.

That 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021 is a goal, not a guarantee.  They said their hope is to ramp up production to be able to meet that goal.  This is not an easy vaccine to make, store or transport.  It won't be something that'll be waiting at every pharmacy like a flu vaccine.  It has a short shelf life and will have to be drop shipped to planned vaccination events.  Once it leaves the deep freeze at Pfizer it has 2 weeks of being in dry ice before expiring.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on November 11, 2020, 01:54:13 PM
San Diego just went to purple tier, which means stores are now at 25% capacity, restaurants need to go mostly outside.

They say the biggest culpris are restaurants, cafes, bars, breweries, places where you are there for a prolonged time like places of worship, schools.

We went to grab food at a restaurant last night and a guy walks in to pick up an order. He doesn't have a mask, they nearly physically removed him. They were telling him to get the heck out and he was standing there dumbfounded, like he just woke up from a year long coma. She asked him where is his mask and he said he doesn't own one. WTH?! How is that possible? He left, totally confused. It was bizarre to witness.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on November 11, 2020, 07:05:41 PM
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San Diego just went to purple tier, which means stores are now at 25% capacity, restaurants need to go mostly outside.

They say the biggest culpris are restaurants, cafes, bars, breweries, places where you are there for a prolonged time like places of worship, schools.

We went to grab food at a restaurant last night and a guy walks in to pick up an order. He doesn't have a mask, they nearly physically removed him. They were telling him to get the heck out and he was standing there dumbfounded, like he just woke up from a year long coma. She asked him where is his mask and he said he doesn't own one. WTH?! How is that possible? He left, totally confused. It was bizarre to witness.

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I keep thinking of the #1 rule of zombie apocalypse:  Immediate, honest self-identification when people get bit.

Based on covid, the zombie apocalypse is going to be a disaster.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 12, 2020, 12:10:04 PM
If I remember right, there are a few of us that delayed smog testing are cars due to the pandemic.  I still haven't smogged my car that I paid the registration for in the spring.  It hasn't been a problem since I have another car.  But now that car is due for a smog test.  So now I will have to decide whether to go ahead with a smog test or sit it out again.  In the spring, the DMV said that it was OK for people to pay now and then wait until covid subsides before getting a smog test.  That they were asking law enforcement not to enforce expired tags.  From what I can tell, that is still the DMV position.  Of course, it's just a request to law enforcement since they have no sway over them.  Anecdotally at least, law enforcement seems to be following along and has not been ticketing expired tags.  Why didn't DMV just suspend the smog test requirement for the duration of the pandemic?

What have other people that needed smog tests done?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 12, 2020, 12:20:29 PM
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What have other people that needed smog tests done?

I got a smog check last April. It's like anywhere else: you make an appointment, only one person at a time, everyone wears masks and stays distant. It's not really a big deal.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 12, 2020, 03:18:30 PM
Except the smog test tech will have to examine the car.  Including sitting in the seat, handling the steering wheel and other drive controls.  So there would be transference from everyone that person tested that day.  Infection from surfaces has been downplayed in the US.  In NZ they traced the source of community infection to a trash can lid.  It's common in the rest of the world to see people in suits going around and spraying everything down both inside and outside.  I guess I could use the ozone generator on the car when I got home.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 12, 2020, 05:09:22 PM
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I keep thinking of the #1 rule of zombie apocalypse:  Immediate, honest self-identification when people get bit.

Based on covid, the zombie apocalypse is going to be a disaster.
we have absolutely proved that what we thought were dumb disease apocalyptic movie cliches, were in reality, correct.  HomoSapians are doomed
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: YouThinkMeMad on November 13, 2020, 05:01:36 AM
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If I remember right, there are a few of us that delayed smog testing are cars due to the pandemic.  I still haven't smogged my car that I paid the registration for in the spring.  It hasn't been a problem since I have another car.  But now that car is due for a smog test.  So now I will have to decide whether to go ahead with a smog test or sit it out again.  In the spring, the DMV said that it was OK for people to pay now and then wait until covid subsides before getting a smog test.  That they were asking law enforcement not to enforce expired tags.  From what I can tell, that is still the DMV position.  Of course, it's just a request to law enforcement since they have no sway over them.  Anecdotally at least, law enforcement seems to be following along and has not been ticketing expired tags.  Why didn't DMV just suspend the smog test requirement for the duration of the pandemic?

What have other people that needed smog tests done?

We have self serve Emissions tests here now. I was extended until March but I'll do self serve when it's time.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 13, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
I wish we had that here in California.  My car doesn't even get a tailpipe test.  It's an OBDII and visual inspection.  I never got the point of the visual inspection as long as a car passes tailpipe or OBD.  I know they are looking for any smog equipment mods, but as long as the car is emitting within spec why should they care?  On newer cars where a OBD dump is used instead of a tailpipe test, we could do that from home.  There's an app for that.

On another topic, it's only 9 days since the US broke 100,000 new covid cases a day.  Today we broke 150,000.  The trend is not our friend.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on November 13, 2020, 11:38:07 AM
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we have absolutely proved that what we thought were dumb disease apocalyptic movie cliches, were in reality, correct.  HomoSapians are doomed

The first time I saw this was the Walking Dead escape at comic con where 70% of the people I knew who got infected didn't report it.

But that was a game and this is the really real world.
Title: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on November 13, 2020, 11:45:44 AM
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The first time I saw this was the Walking Dead escape at comic con where 70% of the people I knew who got infected didn't report it.

I got infected within 20 ft. of the finish. I opted to eat a bullet.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 15, 2020, 01:20:47 AM
I feel lucky to be in San Diego.  The positivity rate for covid is 4%.  In South Dakota it's 56%.

Moderna released preliminary results of it's vaccine, 94.5% effective.  It has a big advantage over the Pfizer vaccine in that it can last up to 30 days in the refrigerator.  It'll be easier to distribute and administer.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: VeggieKitten on November 18, 2020, 12:12:21 AM
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Except the smog test tech will have to examine the car.  Including sitting in the seat, handling the steering wheel and other drive controls.  So there would be transference from everyone that person tested that day.  Infection from surfaces has been downplayed in the US.  In NZ they traced the source of community infection to a trash can lid.  It's common in the rest of the world to see people in suits going around and spraying everything down both inside and outside.  I guess I could use the ozone generator on the car when I got home.
I haven’t had to get a smog test during the pandemic yet. But if I had to and was concerned about it, I might get disposable or really cheap covers for the car seat and steering wheel and throw them out right after, keep the windows down during the test, Lysol wipe everything right afterward (allowing to air dry), drive home with windows down and mask on (even possibly using other throwaway set of seat and steering wheel covers), and then, if possible, I wouldn’t drive the car again for several days.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 18, 2020, 06:22:16 AM
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I feel lucky to be in San Diego.  The positivity rate for covid is 4%.  In South Dakota it's 56%.

Moderna released preliminary results of it's vaccine, 94.5% effective.  It has a big advantage over the Pfizer vaccine in that it can last up to 30 days in the refrigerator.  It'll be easier to distribute and administer.
Pfizer released the first set of complete results from a late-stage vaccine trial
https://nyti.ms/36MItUn
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 18, 2020, 12:47:38 PM
Yes they did.  They upped the effective rate to 95% which matches Moderna.  Which makes sense since the vaccines are very similar.  I look forward to results from traditional vaccines to see how they compare.  Both these 95% vaccines use new technology that has never been used before.  They aren't vaccines in the traditional sense.  They are instructions for your body to produce what would be considered a traditional vaccine.  They program your body to make the vaccine.  At 95% effective it's a game changer.  Much higher than the 50% threshold or even the 70% that was hoped for.  Now if 90% of the population would take it like the measles vaccine and covid could become something we have to keep in mind, but not let govern our lives.

I wonder if and how well these vaccines work against the common cold.  Coronaviruses all share that spike protein which is the target of these vaccines.  It's already known that having a common cold offers some immunity against covid for a few months.  That would be a silver lining to the covid pandemic.  If there was finally a cure for the common cold.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on November 19, 2020, 07:21:55 PM
San Diego and other counties in purple tier (the most strict) is now on curfew, 10pm-5am. Only essential workers only.

I'm embarrassed to say I know someone that said "the man can't keep me down". I'm like oh that's a joke. Nope. He said bars will stay open, what are they gonna do? I'm like "well, make sure your will is up to date".

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 20, 2020, 01:50:48 AM
I listened to the press conference on the way to my weekly Walmart drive up supply run.  A reporter asked what good it would do since it's only at night.  The reply was pretty clear.  It's a warning.  If the trend doesn't change then the full lockdown will be back.

It's a contrast of two Americas where California and New York are locking down again with 3-4% positivity rates.  It took positivity rates of 50% or higher in other states to trigger restrictions.  A very concerning thing at today's press conference is that the hospitalization rate in CA is 12%.  With 10,000 new cases a day it doesn't take many days for that to add up.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 20, 2020, 10:27:34 AM
More good news on the vaccine front: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/11/19/covid-19-vaccines-who-gets-coronavirus-immunization-first/3778098001/
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The process could start very soon. The first COVID-19 vaccine is anticipated to be authorized by the Food and Drug Administration within the next month, with distribution to start in no more than 24 hours to every state in the union. A second vaccine could be authorized two weeks later. Enough vaccine for 20 million people is expected to be available in December, with more coming in 2021.

As a teacher I'd be in the Phase 2 out of 4, which feels right (those who need it more get it first; if we're pushing to return kids to schools then teachers should have priority after those that need it the most).  I don't know what a realistic timeframe is for dispersal of the vaccine from phase-to-phase, but it seems like we're ramping up to start the process, and that's exciting
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 20, 2020, 10:37:09 AM
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I listened to the press conference on the way to my weekly Walmart drive up supply run.  A reporter asked what good it would do since it's only at night.  The reply was pretty clear.  It's a warning.  If the trend doesn't change then the full lockdown will be back.

It's a contrast of two Americas where California and New York are locking down again with 3-4% positivity rates.  It took positivity rates of 50% or higher in other states to trigger restrictions.  A very concerning thing at today's press conference is that the hospitalization rate in CA is 12%.  With 10,000 new cases a day it doesn't take many days for that to add up.
Yeah, this order is basically a "knock this BS off or I'm going to get serious."  Doesn't effect most (people who hang in bars fairly late, people who get the munchies and make 11pm runs to Taco Bell, etc), but almost certainly meant as a warning that if things don't improve harsher restrictions will be coming down.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 21, 2020, 04:13:57 PM
California is spiking.  Both the number of new cases and the test positivity rate is up 50% in 2 days.  There were 10,000 new cases 2 days ago, today it's 15,000.  Positivity was 4% 2 days ago, today it's 6%.  I don't see how we will not go back into full lockdown if this continues.

Covid is local.  San Diego county has a very cool interactive map showing cases and rates per neighborhood.  There are the good neighborhoods, there are the bad ones.  Clicking around the lowest I found was 1% and the highest was 8%.  That matches what I see when I'm in those neighborhoods.  Mask wearing compliance varies a lot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on November 21, 2020, 07:30:03 PM
Where is the map? I would love to see!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 22, 2020, 11:42:20 PM
Another vaccine trial has announced it's results.  It's the Oxford vaccine.  It's also a non-traditional vaccine that programs your body to produce the spike protein instead of having the spike protein injected into you as the vaccine.  They average it out to be 70% effective.  That comes from combining two groups.  Using one dosing scheme it was 62% effective.  Using another it was 90% effective.

Between all these vaccines, there may be enough for everyone next year.  There are a lot being trialed right now.

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Where is the map? I would love to see!

https://sdcounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/e09887e8e65d4fda847aa04c480dc73f
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 02, 2020, 09:07:57 AM
Check out this video of Dr. Fauci from either today or yesterday: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/watch-live-dr-anthony-fauci-joins-nbc-new-york-to-discuss-chances-of-another-stay-at-home-order-covid-surge/2755008/

He says, 
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"We've got to make sure that people get vaccinated. So if 75-85 percent of the people in the country get vaccinated as the vaccine becomes available, and the general public, not speaking of the people of the highest priority who have underlying conditions - the young men and women," he explained.
"If they get vaccinated through April, May and June, and really do a full-court press to get everybody vaccinated, you can get back to normal or at least approaching close to normal, as you get into the late summer and early fall."

This is incredibly exciting news, both for the country in general and potentially for SDCCI as well.  If Dr. Fauci's timeline is doable (and that will be on both the current Trump Administration as well as incoming Biden Administration to role-out the vaccine process nationally), that could mean a significant amount of us vaccinated by mid-July making SDCCI a much more viable proposition for all involved.  I'm a musician/music teacher, not a scientist, so I honestly don't know if this is more 'best-case-scenario' type of thinking or how realistic this is, but I do know the CA Governor announced yesterday that the state was getting hundreds of thousands of vaccines in the next few weeks to start distributing to 'Phase 1' folks (front-line + hospital workers, way high-risk folks, nursing home workers, etc) so it feels like a vaccine is starting to get rolled out before Christmas!

After nine months of gloom, as well as current events that are horrendous and depressing (our country experience MASSIVE spikes), this light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel news is really cause of celebration, I think.  My 'hopeful optimism' is definitely growing!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on December 02, 2020, 09:55:09 AM
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Check out this video of Dr. Fauci from either today or yesterday: https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/watch-live-dr-anthony-fauci-joins-nbc-new-york-to-discuss-chances-of-another-stay-at-home-order-covid-surge/2755008/

He says, 
This is incredibly exciting news, both for the country in general and potentially for SDCCI as well.  If Dr. Fauci's timeline is doable (and that will be on both the current Trump Administration as well as incoming Biden Administration to role-out the vaccine process nationally), that could mean a significant amount of us vaccinated by mid-July making SDCCI a much more viable proposition for all involved.  I'm a musician/music teacher, not a scientist, so I honestly don't know if this is more 'best-case-scenario' type of thinking or how realistic this is, but I do know the CA Governor announced yesterday that the state was getting hundreds of thousands of vaccines in the next few weeks to start distributing to 'Phase 1' folks (front-line + hospital workers, way high-risk folks, nursing home workers, etc) so it feels like a vaccine is starting to get rolled out before Christmas!

After nine months of gloom, as well as current events that are horrendous and depressing (our country experience MASSIVE spikes), this light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel news is really cause of celebration, I think.  My 'hopeful optimism' is definitely growing!

The timeline is ENTIRELY realistic.  I actually think it can be done sooner.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: mark on December 02, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
We still do occasional zoom happy hours with friends, several of whom work in biotech, and they have had some interesting things to say. They do not go into specifics of course but a general theme is that there has been a level of sharing and communication between different companies that was unheard of in the past, which they're quite encouraged by.

The other, and please note this is a total hunch on one of my friends part, is around the different temperature requirements for the pfizer and moderna vaccines. His suspicion is that the pfizer vaccine might actually work being stored at a higher temp but that the temperature is part of the testing process and that they went the safer route by using a colder temp while the (much much smaller company) moderna took a cheekier approach and tested at the higher temp.

Time will tell on the hunch, but I found the first thing interesting and welcome news.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 02, 2020, 10:20:29 AM
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The timeline is ENTIRELY realistic.  I actually think it can be done sooner.

The limiter is the availability of vaccine.  When they make those statements that vaccines will be widely available by April it's with the qualifier "to everyone who wants one".  Unfortunately that's only 60% of the population right now.  We need much higher compliance to get back to normal.

The bad news is that the Oxford vaccine has been set back and is going to undergo another trial.  The good news is there are over 20 other ones on the horizon.

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The other, and please note this is a total hunch on one of my friends part, is around the different temperature requirements for the pfizer and moderna vaccines. His suspicion is that the pfizer vaccine might actually work being stored at a higher temp but that the temperature is part of the testing process and that they went the safer route by using a colder temp while the (much much smaller company) moderna took a cheekier approach and tested at the higher temp.

Time will tell on the hunch, but I found the first thing interesting and welcome news.

I suspect that the BioNTech vaccine can be stored at the same temperature as Moderna's.  They are pretty much the same vaccine.  Pfizer has said they are evaluating it at higher temperatures.

The vaccine the world really needs is the Oxford one.  Easy to make, easy to store and cheap.  The problem is that doubts have been raised about it's trial results so they will be conducting another trial.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 03, 2020, 10:17:20 AM
Interesting piece in The NY Times today: a guesstimate of where you'd be in line for the vaccine.
Spoiler: much deeper than any Comic-Con line I’ve ever waited in 😬

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on December 03, 2020, 11:03:39 AM
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Interesting piece in The NY Times today: a guesstimate of where you'd be in line for the vaccine.
Spoiler: much deeper than any Comic-Con line I’ve ever waited in 😬

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

Very cool!  Though I don't much like where I am in the line...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on December 03, 2020, 11:04:10 AM
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Interesting piece in The NY Times today: a guesstimate of where you'd be in line for the vaccine.
Spoiler: much deeper than any Comic-Con line I’ve ever waited in 😬

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html

Well darn...looks like I would need to pay for access to this little gem.  Oh well, someone will come up with this, for free...I hope. I know it is just a guess, anyway.  :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on December 03, 2020, 11:45:46 AM
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Very cool!  Though I don't much like where I am in the line...

hmmm...

I'm surprised I'm in front of teachers.

Anyway as a healthy individual, I'm more than willing to let anyone on the forum get in front of me.   :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 03, 2020, 11:49:54 AM
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Well darn...looks like I would need to pay for access to this little gem.  Oh well, someone will come up with this, for free...I hope. I know it is just a guess, anyway.  :(
Lame; seems like it'd be free (though I have a free subscription as a teacher).
FWIW the only info necessary is:
* age
* county you live in
* do you work one of these jobs: Health care worker; Essential worker; First responder; Teacher; None of these
* y/n if you are considered high risk

If you want to PM me those answers I can plug it in for you

These are just 'guesstimates' based on what different states have released as far as how many vaccines they'll be receiving initially, stats reported county-wide regarding jobs, etc.

This is the info I received as a mid-40's teacher in San Diego w/no high risk issues
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Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind 135.7 million people across the United States.

When it comes to California, we think you’re behind 14.3 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

And in San Diego County, you’re behind 1.1 million others.

If the line in California was represented by about 100 people, this is where you’d be standing:

Same states if I were high risk:
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Based on your risk profile, we believe you’re in line behind 23.0 million people across the United States.

When it comes to California, we think you’re behind 2.6 million others who are at higher risk in your state.

And in San Diego County, you’re behind 210,600 others.

If the line in California was represented by about 100 people, this is where you’d be standing
(they have a cute graphic to represent the lines of people in front of me)

The article ends with:
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1.7M healthcare workers642k in nursing homes201k first responders9.8M with health risksYou868k other elderly1.1M essential workers686k teachers98k homeless146k prisoners5.5M young adults8.9M children1.4M other essential workers8.2M others

How quickly we’ll move through this line is still an open question. While millions of health care workers in the country could be vaccinated this month, the most prominent vaccine candidates require an ultracold distribution chain that can’t yet reach every American. States also need to procure even more personal protective equipment and set up socially distanced mass-vaccination sites amid a pandemic that could slow everything down.

“It’s incredible that we have vaccines with high levels of initial efficacy in such a short period of time,” said Dr. Sema Sgaier, a co-founder and the executive director of the Surgo Foundation.

“But the vaccine is not going to be a silver bullet for a while,” she added.

The order outlined above is one possibility, combining proposals by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention alongside a fuller proposal by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine. The final order is not yet determined and depends on successful vaccines being adequately tested for every group. States could still set their priorities, but they will most likely follow the final C.D.C. recommendations.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 03, 2020, 11:51:22 AM
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hmmm...

I'm surprised I'm in front of teachers.

Anyway as a healthy individual, I'm more than willing to let anyone on the forum get in front of me.   :)

My wife who's currently a work-from-home education Admin is about 110 million 'in front of' me because of her 'high risk' situation.  Heck, I might be able to slide into that category depending on how much weight I've put on during the pandemic (obesity counts!).  Honestly, I have zero problems letting those in high-risk essential jobs, those whose health is worse than mine (which is most), elderly, etc. get a vaccine before me.  IDK how long I'll be teaching remotely (at least until mid-January), and teaching HS I feel relatively OK about being able to socially distance myself from students & other faculty if/when the bulk of students return to campus/my classroom (we technically have two large rooms as part of the performing arts department).  We've done some small-group playing outside over the last month and a half (voluntarily, of course) and I don't foresee us playing indoors at any point this school year: meaning I think I can manage my classrooms relatively safely.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 03, 2020, 12:29:02 PM
People should keep on the ball in terms of keeping safe.  With pandemic fatigue and the good news about vaccines, it's easy enough to let up thinking it's over.  This won't be over for at least months.  The numbers public health officials were using to try to scare us into compliance are here.  We are basically at 200,000 new cases a day and 3,000 deaths a day.  The Thanksgiving spike isn't even reflected in those numbers yet.  This is no time to ease up on precautions.

Here in San Diego, one of the largest hospital groups said yesterday that their covid hospitalizations are up 600% in a month.  We are on self imposed lockdown again.  It's not like we really ever let up that much but we are back into April-May lockdown mode.  I took the last couple of weeks to stock up on supplies.  Getting a smog test for the car was my last outing a few days ago.  I don't plan on leaving the house at all for at least a month.  Longer if necessary.
Title: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on December 03, 2020, 12:42:33 PM
I expect where I am in Minnesota, my wait for a vaccine may, emphasis on “may,” be shorter (I live 38 miles from Mayo). Selfishly thinking about SDCC, won’t everything that pertains to the event come down to what is happening in California? I mean the rest of the country can have things under control (or not), but won’t it be whether the powers that be (the Governor?) deems it safe for a gathering as large as ours? Asking for 120,000 friends.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 03, 2020, 12:54:35 PM
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Well darn...looks like I would need to pay for access to this little gem.  Oh well, someone will come up with this, for free...I hope. I know it is just a guess, anyway.  :(

You don't need to pay to access it.  That banner on the bottom is there if you want to access the paid areas of the NYT.  This calculator is free.  Ignore that banner.

I don't put much faith into this calculator.  Age is a big risk factor for severe illness.  This calculator places children and young adults ahead in line for the vaccine over the middle aged.  That doesn't make sense.  Also, the trails for the vaccines didn't include teens or younger children.  Those trials just started.  So approval for use in those age groups will come later.  There isn't any criteria for them to be considered right now.  So how can this calculator factor in those age groups?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 03, 2020, 02:05:03 PM
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People should keep on the ball in terms of keeping safe.  With pandemic fatigue and the good news about vaccines, it's easy enough to let up thinking it's over.  This won't be over for at least months.  The numbers public health officials were using to try to scare us into compliance are here.  We are basically at 200,000 new cases a day and 3,000 deaths a day.  The Thanksgiving spike isn't even reflected in those numbers yet.  This is no time to ease up on precautions.

Here in San Diego, one of the largest hospital groups said yesterday that their covid hospitalizations are up 600% in a month.  We are on self imposed lockdown again.  It's not like we really ever let up that much but we are back into April-May lockdown mode.  I took the last couple of weeks to stock up on supplies.  Getting a smog test for the car was my last outing a few days ago.  I don't plan on leaving the house at all for at least a month.  Longer if necessary.
ABSOLUTELY!
Smogging my car (in San Diego) over the summer is what I'm confident got me sick in the first place over the summer.  I don't think it was COVID, as I never had a fever or cough, but I was violently ill and couldn't hold food/water down for 3+ days and was miserable (day 1 was July 4th).  I don't think I've been in a grocery store since early summer, and I've been fortunate enough to get all my groceries delivered for the most part.  The only places I've been in-person are work (I'm a HS teacher, teaching remotely, but I go into my classrooms as I teach music and I'm certain my condo neighbors would not want to hear me drumming starting at 8am every day  :P ) and fairly regular visits to our pharmacy for prescription meds.  I haven't eaten restaurant food since early March, no haircut since mid-February, no movies in theaters since mid-March: I'm fatigued, for sure, but if option B is "get COVID" I'll take fatigue every time.

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Selfishly thinking about SDCC, won’t everything that pertains to the event come down to what is happening in California? I mean the rest of the country can have things under control (or not), but won’t it be whether the powers that be (the Governor?) deems it safe for a gathering as large as ours? Asking for 120,000 friends.
Definitely, Mickeyjack3.  Currently restrictions on large gatherings in CA are very intense, with no amusement parks allowed open to the public until the pandemic is well under control (which we haven't seen since everything closed in March).  In fact, our CA Governor just announced today we're going into a more restrictive general shut-down: nail & hair salons closing, restaurants have to go take-out only again, heavy restrictions on customer numbers in 'essential' businesses, etc.  He stressed that the vaccine is on its way, and will start going out by Christmas (in pretty limited-sounding numbers initially).  It's hard to say what will happen in the summer, especially with COVID numbers spring WITHOUT the Thanksgiving spike in the calculations yet + hospital ICUs filling up at/near capacity.  But I think post-New Year's, once the Xmas numbers spike and then start calming down, and once the vaccine starts going in wider distribution, we'll hopefully have a clearer picture of when things can return to normal.  National experts like Dr. Fauci have estimated 'mid/late-summer we should be returning to relative normal' which COULD see SDCCI as the first major event OK'ed in CA.
Hard to say now, but I'm oddly optimistic about spring/summer, even with doom & gloom current news
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 03, 2020, 04:50:58 PM
Bummer news: Pfizer Slashed Its Original Covid-19 Vaccine Rollout Target After Supply-Chain Obstacles https://www.wsj.com/articles/pfizer-slashed-its-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-target-after-facing-supply-chain-obstacles-11607027787
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When Pfizer Inc. said last month it expects to ship half the Covid-19 vaccines it had originally planned for this year, the decision highlighted the challenges drug makers face in rapidly building supply chains to meet the high demand.

“Scaling up the raw material supply chain took longer than expected,” a company spokeswoman said. “And it’s important to highlight that the outcome of the clinical trial was somewhat later than the initial projection.”
Pfizer and Germany-based partner BioNTech SE had hoped to roll out 100 million vaccines world-wide by the end of this year, a plan that has now been reduced to 50 million.
Pfizer still expects to roll out more than a billion doses in 2021 as originally planned.
Title: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on December 03, 2020, 05:33:06 PM
It’s my understanding that Pfizer knew this months ago. It changes nothing in terms of what they announced about the number of doses they intend to provide and when. At worst, aren’t they just saying we hoped to produce even more, but because of an abundance of caution this is what we decided weeks ago we would do? It’s not really a change from the previously announced plan. It makes for a great headline for news outlets though and unnecessarily makes people who are in dire need of hope more anxious, thinking that the number of doses were going to be cut in half. To be clear, I’m not finding fault with you perc2100 but with the way some news organizations reported it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 03, 2020, 05:45:37 PM
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It’s my understanding that Pfizer knew this months ago. It changes nothing in terms of what they announced about the number of doses they intend to provide and when. At worst, aren’t they just saying we hoped to produce even more, but because of an abundance of caution this is what we decided weeks ago we would do? It’s not really a change from the previously announced plan. It makes for a great headline for news outlets though and unnecessarily makes people who are in dire need of hope more anxious, thinking that the number of doses were going to be cut in half. To be clear, I’m not finding fault with you perc2100 but with the way some news organizations reported it.
You're right; I was thinking they had originally announced the 100 million and then had to announce only half that now.  I went back and re-read their initial release a month and change ago and it does indeed say they'll ship the 50 million.  This does seem like at best an article discussing initial plans, and at worst a poorly-written article that should at least clarify that this changes absolutely nothing about their announced plans.

Thanks for pointing this out and bringing more clarity to an article than professional news writers/reporters did!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on December 03, 2020, 05:58:53 PM
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You're right; I was thinking they had originally announced the 100 million and then had to announce only half that now.  I went back and re-read their initial release a month and change ago and it does indeed say they'll ship the 50 million.  This does seem like at best an article discussing initial plans, and at worst a poorly-written article that should at least clarify that this changes absolutely nothing about their announced plans.

Thanks for pointing this out and bringing more clarity to an article than professional news writers/reporters did!!

Yes, it's easily misconstrued, and many people were/are dismayed. It even made the stock market hiccup a little, but it still stayed, in the end, positive for the most part. More than one news organization didn't make it clear. I'm not usually a media basher, but I think this comes off as irresponsible headline-grabbing.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 04, 2020, 12:59:30 PM
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It's my understanding that Pfizer knew this months ago. It changes nothing in terms of what they announced about the number of doses they intend to provide and when. At worst, aren't they just saying we hoped to produce even more, but because of an abundance of caution this is what we decided weeks ago we would do? It's not really a change from the previously announced plan. It makes for a great headline for news outlets though and unnecessarily makes people who are in dire need of hope more anxious, thinking that the number of doses were going to be cut in half. To be clear, I'm not finding fault with you perc2100 but with the way some news organizations reported it.

It's more complicated than that.  The plan until a month ago was to supply 100 million doses by the end of the year.  That's the agreement they have with the US government.  They came out a month ago and said that would be reduced to 50 million doses but they wouldn't say why.  That was the point of yesterday's WSJ article, the reason why.  They can't get the materials to produce the 100 million doses.

So there is a shortfall of 50 million doses from Pfizer that the government was counting on.  But that has been known for a month.  The government ordered doses from many vaccine makers with no proof that it would work.  The reasoning is that it's better to have the doses ready to go if the vaccines do work than have to wait.  Worst case, we only waste money and not lives.  So the government purchased 100 million doses from Pfizer for delivery by the end of the year.  Pfizer will only be able to deliver half of that.  I'm sure they did everything they could.  They are motivated if by nothing else then they will not be paid until they deliver all 100 million doses.

Also when looking at the numbers, that's their production for the entire world ex China, not just the US.  Some of those doses have already been delivered to the UK for vaccinations next week.

The question is whether this was a startup issue that has been resolved or whether it will be a continuing constraint. Moderna's vaccine is basically the same so I assume they will be drawing the same materials.  China is also producing the BioNTech vaccine so they will be drawing the same materials.  Is there enough to go around?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on December 04, 2020, 04:55:13 PM
Thanks for the further clarification.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 05, 2020, 10:48:59 AM
The vaccine shortfall looks to be worse than the reduction from 100 million to 50 million doses from Pfizer by the end of the year.  Only 6.4 million doses will be delivered through the middle of December.  They should have been in full production for at least a couple of months.  That was the whole point of the government preordering the vaccine before it was proven to work.  If they have only been able to make 6.4 million doses to date, how will they be able to make another 43 million doses by the end of the month?

The CDC has been telling states how much vaccine to expect.  It's well short of expectations.  I think Maine was expecting 30,000 or so doses.  They will be getting about 12,000.  California was hoping for 2,000,000 doses.  We will be getting about 400,000.

There's also the matter of the cost to administer the vaccine.  The impression the administration is giving off is that Operation Warp Speed has it all taken care of.  The states say otherwise.  It's going to cost states billions to administer the vaccine.  Money some states don't have.

I was thinking I would call a house doc to come vaccinate my parents at home.  Running the gauntlet of the unmasked to get vaccinated doesn't seem like a good idea.  It would be ironic to get infected while getting vaccinated.  So I was thinking house call until I watched the news last night.  Drive through vaccinations.  It was obvious.  Some hospitals are already running drills to work out the procedures for drive through vaccination.

Southern California is expected to go back into full lockdown by Sunday night/Monday morning.  San Francisco already has.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on December 05, 2020, 02:10:46 PM
Checking in - status alive
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on December 06, 2020, 09:09:05 AM
I got my flu shot this year at Kaiser's drive through.  It was very well organized and I will probably use this option from now on.
I was hoping for a drive through option for the coronavirus vaccination but I am unclear how many locations there will be that have the vaccine.
If locations are limited, a drive through might not be feasible.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 08, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
I'm getting emergency alerts on all my phones from the state telling me the situation is severe, stay home.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 08, 2020, 05:02:30 PM
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I'm getting emergency alerts on all my phones from the state telling me the situation is severe, stay home.
Ditto; I live in San Diego and assume it's a reminder since the SoCA region went into a stricter 'shut-down' midnight Monday  :(
It doesn't change much for me (I'm a teacher teaching virtually, haven't gotten a haircut since mid-February, and don't go anywhere other than my classroom since mid-March)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 09, 2020, 02:28:14 PM
A clinical trial from the UAE reports that Sinopharm's vaccine is 86% effective.  This is a traditional vaccine.  Under emergency use authorization, over a million people have already been vaccinated with it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 13, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
https://www.freep.com/videos/news/2020/12/13/first-covid-19-vaccines-leave-pfizers-facility-kalamazoo/6529349002/

first load of vaccines leaving pfizer

 :) :D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on December 13, 2020, 08:43:38 AM
Watching those massive trucks depart, in my head I heard Peter Cullen's masterful voice command...."Vaccine trucks....rollout!"

...Oh, I might have actually said that out loud, too.   ::)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 13, 2020, 10:12:00 AM
The beginning of the end game

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: mark on December 13, 2020, 11:41:23 AM
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Watching those massive trucks depart, in my head I heard Peter Cullen's masterful voice command...."Vaccine trucks....rollout!"

...Oh, I might have actually said that out loud, too.   ::)

I'm still on the Eeyore side of the Cullen spectrum but slowly moving closer to Optimus.

There's a sad thing I've been following, well following isn't the right word. I have an email that I try to reserve for a few important things, my wife has it, our kids have it, CCI has it, and our accountant. Not even my mom has it. The problem is that other people with similar names keep using it accidentally. So I will get an email when some bozo in Australia goes to his favorite strip club , some old man in England orders stuff for his dog, a lady in Little Rock orders from Domino's, and so on.  For the most part I can filter these out but there is one group in particular that keeps popping up, a bible study group in the midwest where I somehow got on everyone's email lists. The people in this group are in their 70s-80s and when covid hit you could tell that many of them weren't taking it very seriously and kept trying to meet up in person. Even when the place they had started using to meet was no longer available (because it was being used to accommodate covid patient overflow) they found other places. Now of course it got into their group and it's been devastating, this is a group of maybe 20 people and 3 of them have died in the last 2 weeks, in 2 cases without any way for their families to say goodbye.

These aren't people I know, or am ever likely to meet, but it's been really sad.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 13, 2020, 06:52:45 PM
UCLA epidemiologist Dr. Timothy Brewer told the Los Angeles Times he anticipates herd immunity consisting of 60%-70% of the U.S. population by mid-to-late 2021.  He is also optimistic next year’s Thanksgiving and Christmas will be far better than this year’s.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 14, 2020, 11:16:36 AM
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I have a former student who's an ICU nurse dealing with COVID since March, and she was told by her supervisors that she'll likely get the first vaccine dose this week.  In San Diego the first batch will be enough to cover about 70% of front-line healthcare workers, which is better than I originally thought (CA in general will get enough in the first Pfizer batch to cover a bit less than 50% of its front-line healthcare workers).

It's nice to get this bit of good news mixed with the absolutely horrid news of record-setting COVID infection & death spikes!  Kind of a nice "keep your eyes on the endgame, folks: stay safe now, mask up & social distance over the Holiday season, keep healthy because help is on the way!"
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 14, 2020, 11:07:33 PM
Sarah Lindsay, a nurse at a Queens hospital, was the first American to get the Covid vaccine.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/14/nyregion/us-covid-vaccine-first-sandra-lindsay.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 15, 2020, 05:31:28 AM
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I have a former student who's an ICU nurse dealing with COVID since March, and she was told by her supervisors that she'll likely get the first vaccine dose this week.  In San Diego the first batch will be enough to cover about 70% of front-line healthcare workers, which is better than I originally thought (CA in general will get enough in the first Pfizer batch to cover a bit less than 50% of its front-line healthcare workers).

It's nice to get this bit of good news mixed with the absolutely horrid news of record-setting COVID infection & death spikes!  Kind of a nice "keep your eyes on the endgame, folks: stay safe now, mask up & social distance over the Holiday season, keep healthy because help is on the way!"

it was nice seeing the first shots being given. But it was even better seeing them given to the front-line people **first** !!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on December 15, 2020, 09:15:22 AM
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UCLA epidemiologist Dr. Timothy Brewer told the Los Angeles Times he anticipates herd immunity consisting of 60%-70% of the U.S. population by mid-to-late 2021.  He is also optimistic next year’s Thanksgiving and Christmas will be far better than this year’s.

And I'm going to add next years Comic Con...

I will continue to be optimistic.   :) :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 15, 2020, 11:33:57 AM
That really depends on us.  Enough people have to take the vaccine.  It's definitely doable if everyone cooperates.  China resumed having large conventions in October.  So far so good for them.  There haven't been any outbreaks related to the conventions.  But that's because they don't have many outbreaks at all so there's no virus in the community to spread.  That's what's needed to have comic-con again.  It's not a matter of vaccinations.  That's just a tool to bring down the prevalence of the virus in the community.  Until that drops, there will be no large conventions in the US.  So remember to wear masks and maintain your distance even after you are vaccinated.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 15, 2020, 01:03:24 PM
A few days ago, Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN’s Chris Cuomo that if enough Americans take the vaccine, the U.S. could see some return to normalcy between Summer and Fall of 2021.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on December 15, 2020, 01:10:28 PM
A new strain of Covid-19 infects over 1,000 people in the UK.
https://www.iheart.com/content/2020-12-15-new-strain-of-coronavirus-infects-over-1000-people-in-the-united-kingdom/?mid=533071&rid=46244587&sc=email&pname=newsletter&cid=NATIONAL&keyid=National%20iHeart%20Daily%20NewsTalk&campid=headline3
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 15, 2020, 02:50:19 PM
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A few days ago, Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNN’s Chris Cuomo that if enough Americans take the vaccine, the U.S. could see some return to normalcy between Summer and Fall of 2021.

He also says that people should still wear masks and socially distance even after getting vaccinated.  He's factoring all that into his estimate.  He's repeatedly said that the criteria for some return to normalcy is a low level of virus in the community, not how many people are vaccinated.  Vaccinations are just another tool in addition to masks and social distancing to get there.

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"I said a combination of an effective vaccine and adherence to certain public-health principles will get us to the point where we want to be, by the end of 2021," Fauci said during a lunchtime call over pizza on Wednesday. "I never said just the vaccine. You never should abandon the public-health measures."

https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-the-vaccine-will-not-be-enough-to-stop-coronavirus-2020-9?op=1
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 15, 2020, 06:29:40 PM
According to Sharon LaFraniere, Katie Thomas and Noah Weiland of The New York Times, the Trump administration is trying to at least partially offset a shortage of the Pfizer vaccine between April and June of next year.

“The Trump administration is negotiating a deal to use its power to free up supplies of raw materials to help Pfizer produce tens of millions of additional doses of its Covid-19 vaccine for Americans in the first half of next year, people familiar with the situation said.

“Should an agreement be struck, it could at least partially remedy a looming shortage that the administration itself arguably helped create by not pre-ordering more doses of the vaccine Pfizer developed with its German partner, BioNTech. Pfizer agreed this summer to provide the United States with 100 million doses by the end of March, enough to inoculate 50 million people since its vaccine requires two shots.

“In recent days, however, Pfizer has indicated that it would be able to manufacture more doses if the administration orders the company’s suppliers to prioritize its purchase requests. The two sides are now negotiating a contract under which Pfizer would provide tens of millions more doses between April and the end of June.

“Moderna, a small Massachusetts-based firm that developed a similar vaccine, agreed last summer to provide the United States with 100 million doses by the end of March. It has now pledged to sell another 100 million doses by the end of June.”
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 15, 2020, 06:38:01 PM
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He also says that people should still wear masks and socially distance even after getting vaccinated.  He's factoring all that into his estimate.  He's repeatedly said that the criteria for some return to normalcy is a low level of virus in the community, not how many people are vaccinated.  Vaccinations are just another tool in addition to masks and social distancing to get there.

https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-the-vaccine-will-not-be-enough-to-stop-coronavirus-2020-9?op=1

Even before I discovered what he said, I was already resigned to wearing a mask and social distancing at least until the end of 2021.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 16, 2020, 07:18:54 PM
Good news on the Pfizer vaccine availability today.  It seems that Pfizer was being liberal with how much vaccine they put in each bottle.  There is supposed to be 5 doses but people have been finding that there's enough left for 1-2 more doses per vial.  That's 20-40% more supply.  The FDA says it's OK to use the leftovers.

We really need it.  Here in California cases have spiked 500% in the last month.  I thought it was off the hook when we broke 10,000 new cases a day.  A month later, we are over 50,000 cases a day.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on December 17, 2020, 07:54:22 AM
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Good news on the Pfizer vaccine availability today.  It seems that Pfizer was being liberal with how much vaccine they put in each bottle.  There is supposed to be 5 doses but people have been finding that there's enough left for 1-2 more doses per vial.  That's 20-40% more supply.  The FDA says it's OK to use the leftovers.

We really need it.  Here in California cases have spiked 500% in the last month.  I thought it was off the hook when we broke 10,000 new cases a day.  A month later, we are over 50,000 cases a day.

This is really great news!! 

Here is AZ we have the highest rate of spread in the nation, a Rt of 1.19.  Which makes lots of sense since our governor is doing nothing and we have restaurants open.  Sigh.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on December 17, 2020, 09:46:09 AM
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This is really great news!! 

Here is AZ we have the highest rate of spread in the nation, a Rt of 1.19.  Which makes lots of sense since our governor is doing nothing and we have restaurants open.  Sigh.

According to this site,

https://rt.live/

as of this morning (Dec. 17) Arizona is 1.15 and California is 1.16. The worst in the nation right now is apparently Maine with 1.23.

Of course, it can differ from county to county.

The reality is that it's difficult to tell from this kind of data who is shut down and who isn't. The virus transmits incredibly easily. We are all going to get it (vaccines aside). The question is only how fast it transmits and whether or not the hospitals can deal with it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 17, 2020, 10:05:19 AM
In more good Pfizer vaccine news, they say they will be able to produce 100 million more doses next year than they thought.  Once again, they've offered first dibs to the US.  Once again, the outgoing administration is waffling on whether to accept their offer or not.

I wonder if Pfizer is just going to put less vaccine in each vial with all the reports that they've been putting in too much.  So then they will have another 100 million doses to sell.

In bad vaccine news, the distribution of the vaccine has gone awry.  Some states are saying that the CDC has told them to expect up to 40% less vaccine than they were promised.  This shouldn't be confused with the existing reductions that Pfizer has already stated.  This is from the already reduced levels.  The government is blaming this on production delays at Pfizer.  Pfizer says they have millions of doses ready in warehouses waiting for the government to say where to send them.  So there is vaccine sitting around waiting for the government to distribute it but the government is telling states there's not.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 17, 2020, 12:43:01 PM
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In more good Pfizer vaccine news, they say they will be able to produce 100 million more doses next year than they thought.  Once again, they've offered first dibs to the US.  Once again, the outgoing administration is waffling on whether to accept their offer or not.

I wonder if Pfizer is just going to put less vaccine in each vial with all the reports that they've been putting in too much.  So then they will have another 100 million doses to sell.

In bad vaccine news, the distribution of the vaccine has gone awry.  Some states are saying that the CDC has told them to expect up to 40% less vaccine than they were promised.  This shouldn't be confused with the existing reductions that Pfizer has already stated.  This is from the already reduced levels.  The government is blaming this on production delays at Pfizer.  Pfizer says they have millions of doses ready in warehouses waiting for the government to say where to send them.  So there is vaccine sitting around waiting for the government to distribute it but the government is telling states there's not.
Geezus I can't wait to have competent federal government again....
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 17, 2020, 02:05:59 PM
Southern California is in a crisis like none other.  ICU capacity is out completely.  If you have a medical emergency, you're on your own.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-17/hospitals-likely-to-be-overwhelmmed-by-new-years

http://www.ocregister.com/2020/12/16/coronavirus-unprecedented-order-issued-suspending-ambulance-diversions-in-orange-county
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 17, 2020, 03:23:36 PM
It's bad here in San Diego.  Hospitals are now allowed to blanket turn away ambulances to the ER.  That's unheard of.  They do have to seek permission and each time it's granted it expires in a few hours.  Still, imagine calling 911 and there not being a hospital to go to.  This happened because over the weekend, people had to wait up to 7 hours after getting to the ER to get in.  While not unusual in chairs during a bad flu season, generally when a ambulance brings you in it's a much shorter wait.  The ambulance crew has to stay with you until the ER accepts you so if the wait is 7 hours then that's a ambulance out of commission for 7 hours.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 17, 2020, 04:15:20 PM
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Southern California is in a crisis like none other.  ICU capacity is out completely.  If you have a medical emergency, you're on your own.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-17/hospitals-likely-to-be-overwhelmmed-by-new-years

http://www.ocregister.com/2020/12/16/coronavirus-unprecedented-order-issued-suspending-ambulance-diversions-in-orange-county
I've known people who spent _hours_ in San Diego trying to find a hospital for breathing issues a few weeks ago.  A friend of a friend's girlfriend died a week ago because she had a severe asthma attack and couldn't find an Emergency Room that would/could take her ASAP.

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It's bad here in San Diego.  Hospitals are now allowed to blanket turn away ambulances to the ER.  That's unheard of.  They do have to seek permission and each time it's granted it expires in a few hours.  Still, imagine calling 911 and there not being a hospital to go to.  This happened because over the weekend, people had to wait up to 7 hours after getting to the ER to get in.  While not unusual in chairs during a bad flu season, generally when a ambulance brings you in it's a much shorter wait.  The ambulance crew has to stay with you until the ER accepts you so if the wait is 7 hours then that's a ambulance out of commission for 7 hours.
Yeah I got a message from a friend who's a nurse that told me to be extremely careful, as ANY type of serious injury would likely not be able to be treated for quite a long time.  Many feared a worst-case scenario was coming in the weeks following Thanksgiving, and we are absolutely in the worst-case scenario now.
And there are _STILL_ fools traveling for the Holidays  >:( :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 18, 2020, 06:03:27 AM
I've heard reports of a 5 hour wait to get tested in Chula Vista.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 18, 2020, 09:30:40 AM
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I've heard reports of a 5 hour wait to get tested in Chula Vista.
I'm incredibly glad as a HS music teacher who's been going into the classroom daily I have a few weeks to 1) not go ANYWHERE and 2) figure out curriculum that I don't have to teach in person (I like to drum along with the students & that's not conducive in my condo with my oldest zooming college courses, my youngest zooming 1st grade, and my wife working from home).  Our district is scheduled to go in person mid-January but even with minimum campuses open to minimum students we're having MAJOR staffing issues; I can't imagine things will magically be significantly better in four weeks
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 18, 2020, 11:35:13 AM
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I've heard reports of a 5 hour wait to get tested in Chula Vista.

It's not surprising.  There are two hotspots in San Diego.  Chula Visa, National City and Imperial Beach is one.  El Cajon, Lemon Grove and Spring Valley is the other.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 19, 2020, 02:57:52 PM
Los Angeles is all but certain to be the Covid epicenter just like New York was last Spring.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-18/we-are-getting-crushed-covid-19-is-hammering-l-a-countys-healthcare-system-as-deaths-soar-statewide
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 20, 2020, 04:58:26 AM
where are the hospital ships?
why isn't one in LA?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 20, 2020, 12:28:15 PM
It could be that the military needs them for itself.  The military hospitals are also having a surge and running out of space.  It also needs a federal response to be used.  Someone in the administration has to authorize it.  The outgoing administration has checked out for the duration.  Golf anyone?

The good and bad news is that we do have some spare capacity in San Diego.  The surge site that got all the press was the San Diego convention center.  That was dismantled but there is another surge site.  It has 200 beds.  Smartly, they kept that one intact just in case.  So that one is ready to go, kind of.  The beds are there, the supplies are there but the staff is not.  That's the problem now, there aren't enough healthcare workers.  In that way, New York was lucky.  They got hit when the rest of the country wasn't so healthcare workers flooded in from around the country.  That can't happen now since everyone is hit and so many healthcare workers are out because they themselves have covid.  So staffing will be a problem.  I think the county has 50 traveling nurses it could use.  Which is not enough.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 20, 2020, 01:27:37 PM
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A new strain of Covid-19 infects over 1,000 people in the UK.
https://www.iheart.com/content/2020-12-15-new-strain-of-coronavirus-infects-over-1000-people-in-the-united-kingdom/?mid=533071&rid=46244587&sc=email&pname=newsletter&cid=NATIONAL&keyid=National%20iHeart%20Daily%20NewsTalk&campid=headline3

Well that blew up really quickly.  On Wednesday the UK gov was saying it was OK.  Since then they've had to add another tier to the emergency declaration and now the country is on extra special lockdown.  Today much of Europe has banned travel of people and goods from the UK.  Why not kick off Brexit a few days early?

The reality is that it's probably all too late.  For them to be detecting it now means that people were spreading it at least a couple of weeks ago.  Probably for much longer than that.  It's already been found in Europe.  Just like with the original covid which was already widespread before any measures were taken.  Now we know that covid was already in the US in 2019.  It takes a while for these things to get bad enough for people to take notice.  Just as with the last more contagious variant from Europe, I wouldn't be surprised if it was already in the US too.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on December 21, 2020, 01:38:10 PM
The UK government were made aware of this new mutation back in September, but did nothing.
It absolutely has spread further afield. Wouldn't surprise me if we start to see many countries now coming forward to say it is active.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on December 21, 2020, 02:24:51 PM
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The UK government were made aware of this new mutation back in September, but did nothing.
It absolutely has spread further afield. Wouldn't surprise me if we start to see many countries now coming forward to say it is active.
Absolutely it has spread!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 21, 2020, 06:11:45 PM
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The UK government were made aware of this new mutation back in September, but did nothing.
It absolutely has spread further afield. Wouldn't surprise me if we start to see many countries now coming forward to say it is active.

They already have.  Off the top of my head I think Italy and Denmark have already detected it there.  It may not be as innocuous as first thought and as still widely reported.  That realization maybe why the UK government did an about face between Weds and Friday.

It's reported in the media to be more infectious.  It's not the first variant to be like that.  Many people don't realize that the strain of covid dominant in the world isn't the one from Wuhan.  That one was relatively mild.  It's a strain that came from Europe that was more infectious.  That one was more infectious because it had more spike proteins but was otherwise the same as the original strain.  This strain maybe more infectious and worst due to other mechanisms.  One theory is that it evolved in people that were given convalescent plasma.  If so, it evolved to avoid one of the defenses we've been able to come up with.

It's already the dominant strain in London and South East England.  I don't see how it's not going to become the dominant strain world wide.  That is unless the South African strain beats it to it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 22, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
Pfizer is near a deal with the Trump administration to partially offset an expected shortage of Pfizer coronavirus vaccines between April and June.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/us/pfizer-vaccine-doses.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 22, 2020, 09:36:11 PM
Take it for what it’s worth.  Pfizer claims they can put together a new vaccine that will be effective against the new mutation or new variant in six weeks if necessary.  Right now there is no evidence the new strain is resistant against the current vaccines but they are still monitoring it.
http://www.axios.com/biontech-vaccine-covid-variant-2388f93a-190a-45f4-ba97-ac50f33fabe6.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 23, 2020, 12:39:28 AM
6 weeks?  Why so long? :)

I don't see why not.  These new vaccines, mrna, are more like computer programming than traditional medicine.  Moderna designed it's vaccine in 2 days.  That was before they had even seen it.  China published the DNA for covid and 2 days later Moderna had chopped out the sequence for the spike protein and designed the vaccine.  It's like someone posting source code and then someone else lifting a function out of it to use in their own program.  There are even services that synthesis DNA/RNA just like there are services that print out a PDF or 3D print a design or print out a snapshot.  Just send them a sequence.

So I don't see why BioNTech couldn't do the same.  Someone publishes the DNA for a new variant, they chop out the new sequence and replace the sequence they are currently using.  There you go, a new vaccine.

The question is whether the regulators will approve it for use without going through clinical trials.  That's what took 10 months.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 24, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
Remember, “experts believe,” keep your fingers crossed.

Experts believe the current vaccines are effective against the mutations in the U.K. and South Africa.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/covid-mutations-vaccines-effectiveness/2020/12/24/bcf3ea76-45ed-11eb-a277-49a6d1f9dff1_story.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 24, 2020, 04:09:36 PM
A California panel has recommended that essential workers at risk of exposure to the coronavirus at their job such as teachers, child care workers, grocery store clerks, farmworkers, first responders and those 75 and older should be next in line to be vaccinated.  It is estimated that these groups could get the shots as soon as mid-to-late January.  The following tier could consist of seniors 65 to 74 years old with medical conditions or disabilities that place them at high risk of severe illness.  That tier could get vaccinated as soon as February.  The proposal will be sent for approval by Gov. Gavin Newsom within the next week or so.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article248057935.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 25, 2020, 12:55:59 AM
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those 75 and older should be next in line to be vaccinated.

I'm of the opinion that age group should be in 1a, they should be vaccinated now.  Not just the ones in nursing homes but anyone 75 and over.  That's where other countries like the UK have prioritized them.  It makes sense.  They make up 80% of covid deaths.  They should be top priority.

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It is estimated that these groups could get the shots as soon as mid-to-late January.

I think they are still operating under the expectation that 20 million people will be vaccinated by the end of the year.  I don't see that happening.  The first week there were 500,000 vaccinations.  This week it's on track for 1,000,000.  In order to met expectations, 18 million people would have to be vaccinated next week.  That's not going to happen.  I credit the increase this week to the Moderna vaccine that can be sent to many more sites than the BioNTech vaccine which requires specialized freezers.  So many more places have received the Moderna vaccine than the BioNTech one.  But even with that, about 85% of the delivered vaccine is sitting unused.  It turns out the bottleneck is not the production or distribution, it's the jab.  It seems we are following the testing model for vaccination.  It's too slow.  At this rate, it'll be April until the first group finishes their first shot, let alone their second shot.  In order to get a shot into every adult by June, we need 40 million vaccinations a month, not 4 million.  Add in the people coming back the following month for their second shot and that's 80 million vaccinations a month for most of those months.  Even if only half the population is willing to get vaccinated, that's still a whole lot more jabbing than we are doing.  We need volume.

I'm worried about how this process will play out once it's in less controlled spaces then it currently is.  Right now organizations are vaccinating their people so there is structure.  How will it work with the general public?  I don't even know how people will know which group they are in and how they will go about getting a shot.  Will it be like the flu shot?  Will it be like a BF free for all?  That would get messy quick.  Other countries planned for this and it's orderly.  It's like what you see play out in pandemic movies.  The government tells people what group they are in and when to expect their turn.  When the time comes they are told where to go and when to be there.  They've set up vaccination centers to get as many people vaccinated as quickly and efficiently as possible.  I don't see any of that organization here.  Like with testing, it's ad hoc.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 30, 2020, 01:12:14 AM
The UK is the first country to approve the Oxford Vaccine.  It's the vaccine for the rest of the world.  The BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are for the rich countries.  Too expensive.  The Oxford Vaccine is easy to make, easy to transport, easy to store and cheap.  It works with the existing vaccine infrastructure all over the world.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 30, 2020, 06:32:08 AM
channel 7 is reporting that sd county has 19% capacity for icu hospital beds. All other counties in the socal block are at zero.

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The county is reporting 19% of its existing ICU beds as available, but San Diego County Supervisor Nathan Fletcher said last week many of those beds lack staffing. The real number of available, staffed beds is likely much lower.
https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/dec/29/san-diego-county-2532-new-covid-19-infections/?utm_campaign=none&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=headline/?_zl=wbaN2&_zs=obdHc

can we secede from the socal block?
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on December 30, 2020, 06:34:45 AM
Well, we have at least one confirmed case of the UK variant and possibly two in Colorado. So 2020 is the gift that won’t stop giving!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 30, 2020, 01:25:14 PM
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channel 7 is reporting that sd county has 19% capacity for icu hospital beds. All other counties in the socal block are at zero.

That's good news.  It was down to 14% earlier.  I think of it as us being in the eye of the Thanksgiving-New Years storm.

Florida has jumped the gun and decided to add people over age 65 into the first group.  While I think this is what it should have been to begin with, Florida is highlighting the problems with the haphazard vaccination "system" we have in the United States.  The elderly are waiting in line overnight outside.  More people show up than there are shots for.  There's pushing and shoving like the vaccine is a Black Friday doorbuster.  Kind of hard to maintain social distancing while pushing and shoving.  A vaccination shoudn't be a super spreader event.

It shouldn't be this way.  This needs to get fixed.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 30, 2020, 01:46:16 PM
Gov. Newsom made the sobering announcement that the more contagious coronavirus was detected here in Southern California.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-30/california-hits-new-one-day-covid-19-death-record-442
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on December 30, 2020, 03:01:34 PM
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Gov. Newsom made the sobering announcement that the more contagious coronavirus was detected here in Southern California.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-30/california-hits-new-one-day-covid-19-death-record-442
I believe it is New York too but they just haven’t reported it yet.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 31, 2020, 07:38:41 AM
just like the original invasion last Jan/feb/March, it has taken a while to recognize the new strain of virus.

Patricia Dowd died of covid in Silicon Valley on Feb 6. a full 6 weeks before the lockdown's started. Exactly 1 month after the super spreader event, CES.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/santa-clara-county-coronavirus-death.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 31, 2020, 11:22:15 AM
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Gov. Newsom made the sobering announcement that the more contagious coronavirus was detected here in Southern California.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-30/california-hits-new-one-day-covid-19-death-record-442
It's in San Diego.  We have several biotech firms that have been doing more/extensive testing than most of the state/country and that's how the state detected it yesterday.  The guy who has it (someone younger than me) said he hadn't traveled overseas nor leaves the house extensively, which correlates to the thoughts that "it's likely here/has been here for awhile."
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2020-12-30/san-diego-county-man-tests-positive-for-uk-coronavirus-variant
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 31, 2020, 12:22:55 PM
That would be Scripps.  Unfortunately this type of surveillance is exceeding rare in the US.  We simply don't bother to look.  Other countries, like the UK, are much better at it.  We test for known strains but we sequence for new strains at a much much much lower level than other countries.  So there are probably home grown stains here in the US that we are simply unaware of.

We have become reactive instead of proactive.  Backtesting has shown that on the West Coast 1% of blood samples had covid antibodies as early as Dec 13, 2019.  That would explain some of the unknown "flu" that was reported at the time.  As the nation was concerned about the Chinese covid strain coming in from the West Coast, the more contagious European covid strain was sweeping in from the East Coast to infect the entire country.  A big takeaway we from this pandemic is we need to rebuild our public health institutions.  They've been devastated in the last few years.

I think it's pretty clear that the UK variant is widespread already in the US.  The 3 cases confirmed so far must have been from community spread.  The dude in San Diego even did everything right.  He stayed at home and minimized external contact.  He wasn't a jetsetter flying in from London.  He still got it.

In another example of how vaccinations go wrong without a plan, a hospital in San Diego this week decided that business execs and personal trainers should get vaccinated before nursing home staff and residents.  The county is not happy.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 01, 2021, 10:07:32 AM
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Gov. Newsom made the sobering announcement that the more contagious coronavirus was detected here in Southern California.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-30/california-hits-new-one-day-covid-19-death-record-442

We are now up to 4 cases of the UK variant in San Diego.  I wonder how much of the surge in California is due to it.  California was doing really good containing covid until November, then we shot up like a rocket.  Back testing in time will tell us.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 01, 2021, 03:26:51 PM
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We are now up to 4 cases of the UK variant in San Diego.  I wonder how much of the surge in California is due to it.  California was doing really good containing covid until November, then we shot up like a rocket.  Back testing in time will tell us.
Yeah, it's hard to tell kind of; we know in San Diego the cases have been fairly wide-spread throughout the county, which seems to imply this has indeed been here for a bit of time   :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 07, 2021, 09:50:47 PM
San Diego is the UK variant hotspot of the US.  It's not a single cluster, it's been found all over the county.  It's widespread.

It irritates me even more than ever that people still don't wear masks.  I was at drive up pickup at Walmart.  The family in the car next to me didn't wear masks.  They are all outside.  The kids are running around.  The parents are helping the Walmart employee load the car.  Doing this without a mask on is so disrespectful.  They ask that you stay in your car to protect their employees.  He's already risking his health working during a pandemic.  He doesn't need people breathing in his face without a mask on.  Some other dude walks up to my car to ask where the in store pickup is.  Of course he isn't wearing a mask either.  I just stare at him.

It's illustrative how other countries handle covid.  Japan is freaking out over the surge in Tokyo.  Their "surge" is 1/20th the number of cases here in California per capita. We would be sighing in relief to be that low.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 08, 2021, 06:33:53 AM
i'm not sure we're the only hotspot. More likely, the other area's aren't testing for it yet.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 08, 2021, 11:43:31 AM
I agree.  I believe it's already widespread all over the US.  We simply don't routinely sequence for variants as other countries do.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 08, 2021, 11:57:31 AM
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i'm not sure we're the only hotspot. More likely, the other area's aren't testing for it yet.
The Centers for Disease Control says Florida has nearly half of the known cases in the United States of a mutated and likely more contagious strain of the coronavirus. https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/01/08/covid-19-variant-florida-has-almost-half-of-known-us-cases/?__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 08, 2021, 08:56:30 PM
Tailgate parking lot by petco is slated to be converted into a drive up vaccine location
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 09, 2021, 08:07:22 AM
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Tailgate parking lot by petco is slated to be converted into a drive up vaccine location

State Farm Stadium in Phoenix (where the AZ Cardinals play) will be used as a 24/7 vaccination site starting Monday.  Finally!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 09, 2021, 08:20:20 AM
the SD vac. center is opening on monday also. https://www.countynewscenter.com/county-of-san-diego-to-open-first-vaccination-super-station-in-partnership-with-uc-san-diego-health-padres-and-city-of-san-diego/

The Philly convention center is being used & opened soon/if not already, for mass vaccination, @Michael M (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2539) https://www.phillyfightingcovid.com/vaccine

If my dad doesn't sign up in the next hr, i'm going to risk parental rath & sign them both up! they're both in their 80's
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 09, 2021, 09:49:46 AM
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the SD vac. center is opening on monday also. https://www.countynewscenter.com/county-of-san-diego-to-open-first-vaccination-super-station-in-partnership-with-uc-san-diego-health-padres-and-city-of-san-diego/

The Philly convention center is being used & opened soon/if not already, for mass vaccination, @Michael M (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2539) https://www.phillyfightingcovid.com/vaccine

If my dad doesn't sign up in the next hr, i'm going to risk parental rath & sign them both up! they're both in their 80's

I wish San Diego had pre-commit.  That way we could sign up and then wait for the notice to come in.  I'll have to keep monitoring the site to see when 1B opens up.  The super site is the way we will go even if we have to wait longer to get an appt there.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 09, 2021, 10:21:45 AM
Paris is 1b and Kass and I are 1c.

Paris REALLY needs it. She just got an email last night that she may have been exposed at work (In n Out) on the 3rd. This isn't the 1st time. That's why eating at a restaurant is playing a game of Russian Roulette.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2021, 10:35:46 AM
My Wife and I are registered here in NJ. She is 1B and I am 1C. They're supposed to let us know when it is time to schedule our shots.
They've opened up a vaccination super site here at an old Sears store at our local mall.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 09, 2021, 01:38:32 PM
Mom is 1B and the rest of us are 1C.  Orange County, California say they “expect” to start administering 1B sometime in February.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 09, 2021, 01:52:11 PM
I'm in 1B Tier 1 so hopefully that means vaccinations for teachers will be coming soon  :-X
Title: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on January 09, 2021, 02:00:35 PM
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Paris is 1b and Kass and I are 1c.

Paris REALLY needs it. She just got an email last night that she may have been exposed at work (In n Out) on the 3rd. This isn't the 1st time. That's why eating at a restaurant is playing a game of Russian Roulette.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 09, 2021, 02:09:32 PM
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 09, 2021, 03:43:03 PM
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Paris is 1b and Kass and I are 1c.

Paris REALLY needs it. She just got an email last night that she may have been exposed at work (In n Out) on the 3rd. This isn't the 1st time. That's why eating at a restaurant is playing a game of Russian Roulette.

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My Katie got it and was sick over Christmas and New Year's.  She was in bed for 7 days.  She is a server at a restaurant and there were 4 of them out with COVID at the same time.  Luckily the rest of the family didn't get it, though we all 4 live together. 

It's actually pretty nice that Paris was warned, there was no tracking or tracing or warning here, and the other workers who worked with them just continued going to work.  They removed her from the schedule for about two weeks but no follow up otherwise.  There's no guidance from the state level.  And there's actually the opposite, our governor has allocated funds for restaurants to have more outdoor seating and has reduced regulations to setting up outdoor areas, to encourage more restaurant capacity. 
https://azgovernor.gov/governor/news/2021/01/governor-ducey-provides-additional-funding-support-local-restaurants#:~:text=So%20far%2C%20265%20Arizona%20restaurants,received%20funding%20totaling%20%241%20million.&text=The%20%242%20million%20comes%20from,for%20Arizona's%20COVID%2D19%20response. (https://azgovernor.gov/governor/news/2021/01/governor-ducey-provides-additional-funding-support-local-restaurants#:~:text=So%20far%2C%20265%20Arizona%20restaurants,received%20funding%20totaling%20%241%20million.&text=The%20%242%20million%20comes%20from,for%20Arizona's%20COVID%2D19%20response.)

Also, my 81 year old dad is in SD.  If anyone hears about how he can get vaccinated please let me know, I'm not nearby and unaware of how to get him taken care of.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 09, 2021, 05:35:22 PM
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Also, my 81 year old dad is in SD.  If anyone hears about how he can get vaccinated please let me know, I'm not nearby and unaware of how to get him taken care of.

You can monitor the vaccination status on the county reservation page.  Currently it's for people under 1A.  Your dad is 1B.  When that happens is unclear.  On that page, the county says there are an estimated 500,000 people in 1A.  Which seems high.  That would mean that 1 out of 3 people in San Diego are involved in health care or living in nursing homes.  The news has reported the number in 1A to be 166,000.  Which seems more reasonable.  So far about 50,000 vaccinations have been given in San Diego.

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/COVID-19-VaxEvents.html

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 09, 2021, 06:08:07 PM
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Also, my 81 year old dad is in SD.  If anyone hears about how he can get vaccinated please let me know, I'm not nearby and unaware of how to get him taken care of.

@TardisMom (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=842) once you get an appointment, reach out to me/others in SD & we'll get your dad to the appointment. I'd be happy to chauffeur him through the process.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 09, 2021, 06:19:34 PM
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https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/COVID-19-VaxEvents.html



It occurred to me, we can apply badge/hotel/parking techniques to obtaining appointment times for our members. @SteveD (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3710) ?
We need to know when that appointment site is updated
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on January 09, 2021, 07:04:15 PM
This may seem like a non sequitur but I’m rewatching Childhood’s End. I can only say perspective.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2021, 09:41:23 AM
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It occurred to me, we can apply badge/hotel/parking techniques to obtaining appointment times for our members. @SteveD (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3710) ?
We need to know when that appointment site is updated
We could handle this like the badge sale, but would need to know what we are looking for. Right now, there doesn't seem to be any appointments available at any of the locations.
Maybe once things open up a little we can explore this further.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 10, 2021, 11:20:11 AM
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We could handle this like the badge sale, but would need to know what we are looking for. Right now, there doesn't seem to be any appointments available at any of the locations.
Maybe once things open up a little we can explore this further.
yeah, it's in the pre/design/what's the parameter faze.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 11, 2021, 06:13:02 AM
Appointments appeared on the San Diego vaccine website for the super inoculation site Petco at 6:00AM

One time slot on Wed and a huge amount of spots on the weekend, Jan 16 & 17th
This is still for the 1A Group.

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/vax-schedule-appointment.html

@TardisMom (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=842) @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586)
tagged since they've got parents in the next group to be inoculated

from the site
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On the insurance information page – Who will be paying for the cost - select “Someone Else”.
 You will receive a confirmation email with a MyUCSDChart activation code.  Please create a MyUCSDChart account prior to your appointment. We will be using MyUCSDChart to manage the COVID-19 vaccine including scheduling of your 2nd dose once you have completed your 1st dose appointment. This will be needed to schedule your second dose appointment.       
You will not be able to schedule your second dose appointment until after you’ve been given your first dose and completed your first dose appointment
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 11, 2021, 08:16:05 AM
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Appointments appeared on the San Diego vaccine website for the super inoculation site Petco at 6:00AM

One time slot on Wed and a huge amount of spots on the weekend, Jan 16 & 17th
This is still for the 1A Group.

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/vax-schedule-appointment.html

@TardisMom (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=842) @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586)
tagged since they've got parents in the next group to be inoculated

from the site

Thank you @alyssa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) !  And thanks for offering to help with getting my dad there!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 11, 2021, 04:14:40 PM
Let's see what's going to happen.  Some states have already broken from the CDC tiers.  Biden says he will break from the CDC rules that guarantee people a timely second shot to maximize pushing out as many vaccinations as possible.  I hear more and more calls to abandon the tiered system.  Vaccinate as many people as possible without regard to criteria.  It could turn into a free for all.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 12, 2021, 06:29:54 AM
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Let's see what's going to happen.  Some states have already broken from the CDC tiers.  Biden says he will break from the CDC rules that guarantee people a timely second shot to maximize pushing out as many vaccinations as possible.  I hear more and more calls to abandon the tiered system.  Vaccinate as many people as possible without regard to criteria.  It could turn into a free for all.

it could, however, setting up the appointment system early, I think will limit the 'free-for-all' nature here in SD. Give places time to get sorted, not everyone is FL. LOL
Interestingly, today there are a few appointments open for this morning, none for any other day. They're still in the 1A group.
In my selfish heart, i wish there was a stand by line. I can go camp out in line for a day.... LOL
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 12, 2021, 08:35:24 AM
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In my selfish heart, i wish there was a stand by line. I can go camp out in line for a day.... LOL
I dunno if its selfish; if there are medical pros who refuse the vaccine en masse as has been reported throughout Southern CA, I think they should be doing something like a 'stand by' type line, where at 5pm any vials/doses left over for the day are distributed to anyone in line.  I'd much rather that than the case of millions of vials sitting around going unused.  When I was in college, some friends and I would sometime drive up to Cleveland (from Columbus) to see the Symphony (one of the best in the world, if you can believe that) and wait for what they called 'student rush' tickets: any tix not sold by, like, 30/45 min. before the start were sold at a super cheap price: sometimes AMAZING seats for, like, $10 or something (I can't remember anymore how cheap).  I'd be all for that kind of thing for the vaccine since the vials have a shortish life span
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 12, 2021, 08:45:36 AM
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I dunno if its selfish; if there are medical pros who refuse the vaccine en masse as has been reported throughout Southern CA, I think they should be doing something like a 'stand by' type line, where at 5pm any vials/doses left over for the day are distributed to anyone in line.  I'd much rather that than the case of millions of vials sitting around going unused.  When I was in college, some friends and I would sometime drive up to Cleveland (from Columbus) to see the Symphony (one of the best in the world, if you can believe that) and wait for what they called 'student rush' tickets: any tix not sold by, like, 30/45 min. before the start were sold at a super cheap price: sometimes AMAZING seats for, like, $10 or something (I can't remember anymore how cheap).  I'd be all for that kind of thing for the vaccine since the vials have a shortish life span

I'm guessing that's why the gov. is loosening up the tiered restrictions
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 12, 2021, 08:55:26 AM
They pretty much inadvertently mentioned the existence of a standby line here in NJ at yesterday's presser.
In how they are dealing with those in the wrong group who show up at vaccination sites, the NJDOH wants the sites to call these people back in if there are any extra doses left at the end of the day.
Sounds a lot like a standby line to me.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 12, 2021, 09:04:04 AM
and we **all** know how to deal with long lines

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 12, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
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it could, however, setting up the appointment system early, I think will limit the 'free-for-all' nature here in SD. Give places time to get sorted, not everyone is FL. LOL
Interestingly, today there are a few appointments open for this morning, none for any other day. They're still in the 1A group.
In my selfish heart, i wish there was a stand by line. I can go camp out in line for a day.... LOL

I meant that it would be a a free for all in terms of anyone would be eligible.  So the chances to get an appt would change from being 1 in a smaller subset to being 1 among everyone else.

A standby line would be great.  I have to assume like everything else there are no shows.  I would make it a virtual standby line.  Maybe have an option when you sign up to say that you want to be notified if there are cancellations and can make it there with an hour's notice.  The way San Diego is handling it is if there is more capacity during the course of a day, they will release more appt slots online.  Yesterday they allocated 2500 slots initially.  When they found they had more capacity yesterday, they released another 1000 slots for the rest of the day.  So in San Diego it pays to keep checking the site, even if it's sold out, since more appts can appear during the coarse of a day.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 12, 2021, 10:46:50 AM
So my SIL who lives in New York and is in the 1B group was able to schedule her vaccine appointment today for April 4th.
In New Jersey, they are still only doing the 1A's plus police and fire.
With an estimated 2.4 million people in 1B, I'm thinking the 1C group won't be seeing the vaccine now until sometime late summer.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 12, 2021, 11:59:31 AM
Get ready to make those over 65 appointments.  California has been following the CDC guidance.  The CDC just changed their guidance.  Now they are saying that anyone over 65 should get the vaccine.  They are also saying that vaccine should not be held back for people's second dose.  Get out as many first doses as possible.  So we are matching what the UK did.  Which is funny since 2 weeks ago everyone from the FDA to Fauci was dead set against it.

Now to see when California will take up this new guidance.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on January 12, 2021, 02:25:18 PM
I just signed up here in Colorado.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 12, 2021, 03:49:59 PM
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and we **all** know how to deal with long lines

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Pros, we are.  ;D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 12, 2021, 04:06:06 PM
I'm seeing super pod COVID vaccination sites are opening up, but instructions say the employer will tell people where to sign up. What if they are over 65 and aren't working? Where do they sign up?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 12, 2021, 08:29:03 PM
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I'm seeing super pod COVID vaccination sites are opening up, but instructions say the employer will tell people where to sign up. What if they are over 65 and aren't working? Where do they sign up?

Your state hasn't adopted the over 65 CDC guidance yet.  So they are operating under 1A rules for health care workers.  Since that guidance wasn't changed until this morning, I would give them a few days to change things.
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Post by: puppy on January 12, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
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Your state hasn't adopted the over 65 CDC guidance yet.  So they are operating under 1A rules for health care workers.  Since that guidance wasn't changed until this morning, I would give them a few days to change things.

They're giving them at Disneyland and Dodger Stadium. I would take either. I just don't know where to make the appointment. Anyone?

___________

Never mind. I found it: https://othena.com/individuals.php. Not easy to get through.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 13, 2021, 07:34:15 AM
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They're giving them at Disneyland and Dodger Stadium. I would take either. I just don't know where to make the appointment. Anyone?

___________

Never mind. I found it: https://othena.com/individuals.php. Not easy to get through.

what specifically does regestering on that site do?
enable viewing of appointments? or notifications?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 13, 2021, 07:36:44 AM
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what specifically does regestering on that site do?
enable viewing of appointments? or notifications?

You register for an appointment at a specific location. Don't fill out the form on the first page. That form is to get notification for the app. Instead, hit the FIRST TIME USER button. Keep hitting it until it gives you a prescreening questionnaire.

Last night, I made an appointment for my dad for this afternoon.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 13, 2021, 07:39:36 AM
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Your state hasn't adopted the over 65 CDC guidance yet.  So they are operating under 1A rules for health care workers.  Since that guidance wasn't changed until this morning, I would give them a few days to change things.

There were appointments available for  today when i first checked the SD site at 6:30a


Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 13, 2021, 11:05:25 AM
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There were appointments available for  today when i first checked the SD site at 6:30a

For people over 65?  The site still says

"**The following information is intended only for healthcare workers in San Diego County. If you are not a healthcare worker, please access the  COVID-19 vaccine page for the public.**"

"Other documents accepted for healthcare worker identification:

    Professional license  AND a photo ID; or,
    Signed letter from your employer on facility letterhead  AND a photo ID; or,
    Payment stub or timesheet from your healthcare employer or in-home supportive services  AND a photo ID."

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 13, 2021, 11:32:17 AM
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For people over 65?  The site still says

I understand
the parent site outlining the different phases(tiers) hasn't been updated since 1/5, https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/phases.html

it seems as tho, the site is behind in outlining the tiers. I think the mandate by the cdc/newsom/countyLeaders might be more correct then what the site says.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 13, 2021, 11:42:15 AM
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I understand
the parent site outlining the different phases(tiers) hasn't been updated since 1/5, https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/phases.html

it seems as tho, the site is behind in outlining the tiers. I think the mandate by the cdc/newsom/countyLeaders might be more correct then what the site says.

1A, healthcare workers only is still what the reservation pages say.  An interview on the news with the spokesperson for a site that just opened today said it was for 1A only.  That they hope to spin up more capacity when the other tiers open.

My understanding is that the state hasn't accepted the CDC guidance from yesterday yet.  That might happen as early as today.

I would love to have it wrong and that it's been opened already.  But it's always been the case that anyone can make an appt.  It's when you show up that they verify eligibility with ID.  I guess one could make an appt now and hope that the rules change by the time of the appt.  But if a lot of people did that, it would gum up the system.

I really wish that San Diego opened the calendar out indefinitely.  In other states, you can make appts months out.  San Diego seems to be dribbling them out a few days at a time.  I rather make an appt a month out then have to check constantly to see if I can get an appt for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 13, 2021, 12:06:18 PM
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Get ready to make those over 65 appointments.  California has been following the CDC guidance.  The CDC just changed their guidance.  Now they are saying that anyone over 65 should get the vaccine.  They are also saying that vaccine should not be held back for people's second dose.  Get out as many first doses as possible.  So we are matching what the UK did.  Which is funny since 2 weeks ago everyone from the FDA to Fauci was dead set against it.

Now to see when California will take up this new guidance.
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1A, healthcare workers only is still what the reservation pages say.  An interview on the news with the spokesperson for a site that just opened today said it was for 1A only.  That they hope to spin up more capacity when the other tiers open.

My understanding is that the state hasn't accepted the CDC guidance from yesterday yet.  That might happen as early as today.

I would love to have it wrong and that it's been opened already.  But it's always been the case that anyone can make an appt.  It's when you show up that they verify eligibility with ID.  I guess one could make an appt now and hope that the rules change by the time of the appt.  But if a lot of people did that, it would gum up the system.

I really wish that San Diego opened the calendar out indefinitely.  In other states, you can make appts months out.  San Diego seems to be dribbling them out a few days at a time.  I rather make an appt a month out then have to check constantly to see if I can get an appt for tomorrow.

you're outlinong my point ;)
 i believe, like you, we are in a state of 'getting ready' for the next tier opening. We don't know when it'll happen OR how fast the web site will be able to reflect the change.
it seems clear however, that site will be used and an appointment system will be used.

i find it disheartening there have been no updates to the definition to the tiers over the past week.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 13, 2021, 12:33:46 PM
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you're outline my point ;)
 i believe, like you, we are in a state of 'getting ready' for the next tier opening. We don't know when it'll happen OR how fast the web site will be able to reflect the change.
it seems clear however, that site will be used and an appointment system will be used.

i find it disheartening there have been no updates to the definition to the tiers over the past week.

No. California is vaccinating 65 and up. I made an appointment for my dad last night. It said 65 and up.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on January 13, 2021, 02:20:55 PM
I just tried to make an appointment for my grandma (Orange County CA, 91 years old) and after I registered her, the website said that California is currently vaccinating healthcare workers only. So they are definitely not all updated.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 13, 2021, 03:02:17 PM
New Jersey decided to skip over group 1B and allow those 65 and older, or at high risk of death from Covid-19 to get vaccinated.
My Wife and I were able to schedule appointments for this coming weekend.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 13, 2021, 04:26:53 PM
Right; just because CA Governor Gavin Newsome makes the announcement (as he did Wed. 1/13 publicly) that CA will begin vaccinating 65+ year old folks doesn't mean the changes are reflected immediately on all of the specific websites.  Remember, since USA has zero national healthcare system, each. county and each healthcare provider is handling the vaccinations on their own/in their own timeframes.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 13, 2021, 06:48:47 PM
San Diego has updated it's site.  People 65 and over cannot get their vaccinations yet.  What's happening is that 1B-1 has been changed to be 65 and over from 75 and over.  Previously 65 and over was 1B-2.  So right now it's still 1A only, health care workers.

"The County of San Diego (County) is currently prioritizing COVID-19 vaccination events for healthcare workers and employees and residents of long-term care facilities, based upon federal and state guidance and recommendations from the County's COVID-19 Vaccine Clinical Advisory Group. People 65 years of age and older are in the next priority group (Phase 1B-Tier 1) for COVID-19 vaccination."

So it's still a waiting game for those in San Diego county.  I guess those 65 and over in the northern reaches could register for Disneyland and make the drive.  It's really not that much farther than driving to downtown San Diego.

In other San Diego news, the positivity rate is now 22%.  That's pretty horrendous.  Stay home.

Update: I just got an email from our medical group.  They confirm what's on the county website.  Currently 1A, next up is 1B-1 which will now be 65 and over.  This is actually bad news for us since before it was 75 and up.  So now the group is over twice as big and thus more competition for appointments.  They asked people to be patient since there are 500,000 people in group 1A so it'll be a while.  The funny part was they asked that people stop calling.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 13, 2021, 10:49:37 PM
I had no luck with the app that takes appointments for Orange County.  Trying to get on it is like trying to buy a Comic-Con badge back in the day when everybody jumps in the waiting room at once.  Of the 60,000 that tried to get in, only 10,000 were successful.  They are booked for the next three days.  I wish both Kaiser and the pharmacy chains would make themselves available.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 13, 2021, 11:12:44 PM
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I had no luck with the app that takes appointments for Orange County.  Trying to get on it is like trying to buy a Comic-Con badge back in the day when everybody jumps in the waiting room at once.  Of the 60,000 that tried to get in, only 10,000 were successful.  They are booked for the next three days.  I wish both Kaiser and the pharmacy chains would make themselves available.

Kaiser is available. I read online that they will vaccinate non-Kaiser patients but I can't find that right now.

The Orange County site is working right now. I clicked and got in right away. It seems to work better at night.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on January 13, 2021, 11:34:46 PM
I would check if your local Ralphs or Albertsons pharmacies are administering the vaccine. The ones out here in Riverside County are doing it for Phase 1A groups, but that should change soon to include Phase 1B tier 1 essential workers, and for those 65 and older. You can always schedule an appointment for a week or two out, with the expectation that the later groups would have been added by then. Might be worth a shot.  :D

https://www.ralphs.com/rx/guest/get-vaccinated

Sign up at Albertsons to receive info https://www.albertsons.com/my-vaccine-communication.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 14, 2021, 08:12:50 AM
Here in Phoenix I was just able to schedule my 81 year old mom for the vaccine at one of the sites run by Banner Hospitals, but not until 2/12.  The AZ state/State Farm Stadium is booked through 1/18 and will reopen on the 19th, but decided to go with the sure thing. 

Now need SD to open up so I can get my dad scheduled.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 14, 2021, 11:10:44 AM
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Here in Phoenix I was just able to schedule my 81 year old mom for the vaccine at one of the sites run by Banner Hospitals, but not until 2/12.  The AZ state/State Farm Stadium is booked through 1/18 and will reopen on the 19th, but decided to go with the sure thing. 

Now need SD to open up so I can get my dad scheduled.

I really wish San Diego scheduled like that instead of a few days at a time.  Even the sites run by private hospitals only schedule out about a week at a time.

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I would check if your local Ralphs or Albertsons pharmacies are administering the vaccine. The ones out here in Riverside County are doing it for Phase 1A groups, but that should change soon to include Phase 1B tier 1 essential workers, and for those 65 and older. You can always schedule an appointment for a week or two out, with the expectation that the later groups would have been added by then. Might be worth a shot.  :D

https://www.ralphs.com/rx/guest/get-vaccinated

Sign up at Albertsons to receive info https://www.albertsons.com/my-vaccine-communication.html

I'm on the CVS list but as of 7 days ago, they still say that it's not time.

Check all the pharmacies as well as your GP.  Even check with your dentist since a while back there was talk about having dentist vaccinate as well.  Pretty much anyone licensed to give a jab.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 14, 2021, 11:59:46 AM
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I really wish San Diego scheduled like that instead of a few days at a time.  Even the sites run by private hospitals only schedule out about a week at a time.

I'm on the CVS list but as of 7 days ago, they still say that it's not time.

Check all the pharmacies as well as your GP.  Even check with your dentist since a while back there was talk about having dentist vaccinate as well.  Pretty much anyone licensed to give a jab.

Joy! I got my mother-in-law an appointment in Northern California.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 14, 2021, 12:03:51 PM
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Kaiser is available. I read online that they will vaccinate non-Kaiser patients but I can't find that right now.

The Orange County site is working right now. I clicked and got in right away. It seems to work better at night.

Kaiser in SoCal is still only taking care of health workers and nursing home residents.

I had no luck with the app last night or this morning.  What day is your appointment?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 14, 2021, 12:14:05 PM
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Kaiser in SoCal is still only taking care of health workers and nursing home residents.

I had no luck with the app last night or this morning.  What day is your appointment?

I'm not high enough on the list yet. I'm just getting appointments for family members. My dad was vaccinated at Disneyland on Wednesday. My mother-in-law has an appointment in Northern California for the 26th.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 14, 2021, 12:58:16 PM
Ralphs in Orange County hasn’t received any vaccine yet.  I was told Ralph’s in Los Angeles County has a limited supply of them.

I called Kaiser in SoCal, they’re still waiting for directions from Orange County.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 14, 2021, 04:00:01 PM
Scripts here in SD doesn't have any at least per their email today

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none of the San Diego hospitals have been given the vaccinations at this time to begin distribution to their patients, and we are waiting to hear from the government on when to expect them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 15, 2021, 01:25:16 PM
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Scripts here in SD doesn't have any at least per their email today

Which is ironic since the official county vaccination sites are run by two of the big hospital operators in San Diego.

Bad news today.  There's even less vaccine than thought.  The government should have been keeping 1 dose in reserve for every dose given to use as the second shot.  This is the reserve that Biden wanted released to give as many people as possible their first shot.  Surprise!  There is no reserve as planned.  What happened to it?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 15, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
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Which is ironic since the official county vaccination sites are run by two of the big hospital operators in San Diego.

Bad news today.  There's even less vaccine than thought.  The government should have been keeping 1 dose in reserve for every dose given to use as the second shot.  This is the reserve that Biden wanted released to give as many people as possible their first shot.  Surprise!  There is no reserve as planned.  What happened to it?

There was...no...plan.

Hopefully, Biden can cobble something together.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 15, 2021, 06:24:19 PM
San Diego updated it's policies today.  While they will not directly vaccinate those over 65, they now allow for those over 65 to be vaccinated if doses can be found.  UC San Diego Health, who runs the Petco site, is now vaccinating those over 65 in a limited fashion.  It's invitation only.  They will contact those eligible.

"**Due to limited vaccine supply, the County of San Diego cannot provide COVID-19 vaccinations for individuals 65 years of age and older at this time. Planning efforts are under way to vaccinate this population of Phase 1B next. Healthcare providers may administer vaccinations to this population, if they have doses available.**"

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 16, 2021, 06:33:36 AM
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San Diego updated it's policies today.  While they will not directly vaccinate those over 65, they now allow for those over 65 to be vaccinated if doses can be found.  UC San Diego Health, who runs the Petco site, is now vaccinating those over 65 in a limited fashion.  It's invitation only.  They will contact those eligible.

"**Due to limited vaccine supply, the County of San Diego cannot provide COVID-19 vaccinations for individuals 65 years of age and older at this time. Planning efforts are under way to vaccinate this population of Phase 1B next. Healthcare providers may administer vaccinations to this population, if they have doses available.**"

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here's the link to that announcement re 65+ age group
they aren't vacc. 65+ at petco. There are a good amt of appointments available at petco. Which indicates early morning is a good time to check the site when our turn comes. https://www.countynewscenter.com/covid-19-vaccine-for-san-diegans-65-coming-soon/

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Bad news today.  There's even less vaccine than thought.  The government should have been keeping 1 dose in reserve for every dose given to use as the second shot.  This is the reserve that Biden wanted released to give as many people as possible their first shot.  Surprise!  There is no reserve as planned.  What happened to it?
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There was...no...plan.
Perhaps, in an effort to meet Trumps goal of vaccinations by the end of the year, the second doses were released to the states? Unbeknownst to the medical advisors.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 17, 2021, 11:58:46 AM
there was a lot of spots open around 7am at petco this morning

there are none avalible now- it's interesting to see that many vac. being shot into folks. this is good
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 18, 2021, 01:35:35 PM
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75 and over can get vac'ed

https://www.countynewscenter.com/county-expands-covid-19-vaccination-availability-to-ages-75-and-up/

and there are a LOT of open appointments for tuesday at petco https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/vax-schedule-appointment.html

it still says health care only but they prob. just haven't updated it yet
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2021, 01:48:02 PM
Do you think out of county can also get appointments in San Diego County?
Looking for my Dad, over 75, who lives in Riverside County.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 18, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
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Do you think out of county can also get appointments in San Diego County?
Looking for my Dad, over 75, who lives in Riverside County.
i've heard about folks going to other countries but i really don't know. plus there's the drive

ad the scheduling pg is updated to reflect 75+ at petco. Effective today
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2021, 02:25:20 PM
There is absolutely nothing in Riverside right now, the website hasn't even been updated since 1/15.
I told my Dad about San Diego County opening up for 75 and older, so he is going to try and make an appointment in Escondido. We'll see what happens.

Here in New Jersey, the state opened up 6 super sites across the state for vaccinations. As long as you live or work in the state, you can go to any one of them you want regardless of which county you live in.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 18, 2021, 02:44:32 PM
i have to think it wouldn't be an issue but....

if you hear of anything in Philly/pa lmk, i'm trying to get my parent's vac'ed
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 18, 2021, 05:24:19 PM
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There is absolutely nothing in Riverside right now, the website hasn't even been updated since 1/15.
I told my Dad about San Diego County opening up for 75 and older, so he is going to try and make an appointment in Escondido. We'll see what happens.

Here in New Jersey, the state opened up 6 super sites across the state for vaccinations. As long as you live or work in the state, you can go to any one of them you want regardless of which county you live in.
I'm trying to get my auntie vaccinated as well out on Riverside. It's a joke. Ugh!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 18, 2021, 07:54:11 PM
I just checked the SD website and it says No open Appointments, check back later.  I'll try again in the morning.

@alyssa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1), thanks for the heads up!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 18, 2021, 11:32:58 PM
I was able to get 3 appointments all at the same time.  I was wondering if it was possible to book multiple people arriving in the same car.  There wasn't but there were enough open appointments that I was able to book 3 for the same time.  Unfortunately, one 911 call later and it looks like one will need to be canceled.  Hopefully I can get the other two vaccinated.

The sites are a bit of a mess.  The county site says 75 and over.  The confirmation email says tier 1A only and others will be turned away.  The UCSD site confirms that 75 and over are eligible.  I don't like that they require a SSN.  All medical offices ask, I always refuse.  They don't need it.  But the form doesn't proceed without it.  It's required.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 19, 2021, 12:11:59 AM
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There is absolutely nothing in Riverside right now, the website hasn't even been updated since 1/15.
I told my Dad about San Diego County opening up for 75 and older, so he is going to try and make an appointment in Escondido. We'll see what happens.

Here in New Jersey, the state opened up 6 super sites across the state for vaccinations. As long as you live or work in the state, you can go to any one of them you want regardless of which county you live in.

Go here: https://www.ruhealth.org/covid-19-vaccine-providers

I am able to get in with Albertson's right now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 19, 2021, 12:13:01 AM
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I'm trying to get my auntie vaccinated as well out on Riverside. It's a joke. Ugh!

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I am able to get in right now. Go here: https://www.ruhealth.org/covid-19-vaccine-providers. Albertson's has openings.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 19, 2021, 05:26:33 AM
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see puppys post above!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 19, 2021, 05:33:48 AM
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I was able to get 3 appointments all at the same time.  I was wondering if it was possible to book multiple people arriving in the same car.  There wasn't but there were enough open appointments that I was able to book 3 for the same time.  Unfortunately, one 911 call later and it looks like one will need to be canceled.  Hopefully I can get the other two vaccinated.

The sites are a bit of a mess.  The county site says 75 and over.  The confirmation email says tier 1A only and others will be turned away.  The UCSD site confirms that 75 and over are eligible.  I don't like that they require a SSN.  All medical offices ask, I always refuse.  They don't need it.  But the form doesn't proceed without it.  It's required.
yeah it is a bit inconsistent
The petco vac. appointment web site indicates, 65 and older can get vaccinated other places just not at petco. I think the documentation just needs to be updated.

I'm waiting to see if appointments open up at 6am for petco. Last night i noticed they were booking out till next saturday. it will be interesting to see what, if anything opens up.

911 -- What happened @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) ? yikes, i hope everything is ok!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 19, 2021, 06:23:17 AM
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see puppys post above!
Thanks, didn't see anything available this morning. Hopefully spots will open up during the day.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 19, 2021, 07:07:17 AM
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The Petco site doesn't have any appts, but many other county sites and the Sharp sites do right now including Escondido which would be good for people up north.

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yeah it is a bit inconsistent
The petco vac. appointment web site indicates, 65 and older can get vaccinated other places just not at petco. I think the documentation just needs to be updated.

I'm waiting to see if appointments open up at 6am for petco. Last night i noticed they were booking out till next saturday. it will be interesting to see what, if anything opens up.

911 -- What happened @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) ? yikes, i hope everything is ok!

The confusing part is that it seems that San Diego moved 75 and over to tier 1A from 1B.  So when looked at that way, it's consistent.

No.  Not really.  I had to call 911 for a family member that I was hoping to get vaccinated this week.  The last place I want some over 75 to be right now is in a hospital.  Dealing with it over the phone during covid is challenging.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 19, 2021, 07:13:26 AM
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The Petco site doesn't have any appts, but many other county sites and the Sharp sites do right now including Escondido which would be good for people up north.

@chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) What is the link for the Sharp sites?  My dad is in Pacific Beach.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 19, 2021, 07:15:53 AM
i didn't see any appointments at 6am
I just saw one for today at around 7:07a
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 19, 2021, 07:16:28 AM
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@chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) What is the link for the Sharp sites?  My dad is in Pacific Beach.

Here's the link to all the sites.

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/COVID-19-VaxEvents.html

I think the closest for him would be San Diego or Coronado.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 19, 2021, 07:18:08 AM
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Here's the link to all the sites.

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/COVID-19-VaxEvents.html

Thanks!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 19, 2021, 08:33:18 AM
Sorry for the double post.

Does anyone know if it is possible to make a UCSD MyChart account ahead of time?  Each time I try to grab a slot I miss out, would that help?  It takes a while to fill it all.  Aarghhh
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 19, 2021, 08:43:34 AM
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Sorry for the double post.

Does anyone know if it is possible to make a UCSD MyChart account ahead of time?  Each time I try to grab a slot I miss out, would that help?  It takes a while to fill it all.  Aarghhh
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Will this work, https://myucsdchart.ucsd.edu/UCSD/signup (https://myucsdchart.ucsd.edu/UCSD/signup)?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 19, 2021, 08:55:18 AM
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Will this work, https://myucsdchart.ucsd.edu/UCSD/signup (https://myucsdchart.ucsd.edu/UCSD/signup)?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 19, 2021, 11:00:57 AM
Now I have to wait for my auntie, she's 71. Grrr

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 19, 2021, 12:06:16 PM
Some good news, my Mom will get her first vaccine shot next week.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 19, 2021, 01:24:36 PM
This vaccine waiting game almost feels like BITD when SDCCI would not announce exactly when their online badge sales would go live.  I remember years when I'd just randomly check to see if I could buy badges or not, and one day like magic it would be "go" time.  I would often pre-pay the Con before, but a few times in the early 00's I wouldn't have the money and would have to wait until the online sales went live.  I remember one year it happened when I was at a conference, and had to do it all by old iPhone!

It's like I keep waiting for "maybe CA teachers can get a vaccine...NOW!" *checks: 'nope.'
Maybe...NOW!!  :P
(as if I won't get at least a dozen messages when that status changes  ;D ).

I'm happy for those that are getting vaccinated: I do know a handful of local nurses who gotten both doses, as well as a few SDCCI peeps.  I know this is a sllllllloooooooowwwww process, and between the US Federal government failing & the lack of universal healthcare (meaning dozens of different companies are coordinating at once in their own way), this is not a quick & smooth process.  Hopefully we all get vaccinated sooner than later
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 19, 2021, 01:57:42 PM
I read that Wisconsin is allowing front line workers with the exception of grocery workers access which is making grocery workers unhappy.  I’m not happy they are leaving them out.  They are very essential as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on January 19, 2021, 02:19:50 PM
I got the first vaccine dose on Sunday. Only side effects were a sore arm and my mouth is somewhat dry.

2nd dose on or after Feb. 14th.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on January 19, 2021, 04:49:15 PM
In the Bay Area Kaiser is still just taking health care workers.. The recording this morning said the next group will be the over 75 group WHEN they get more vaccines in.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 19, 2021, 05:20:32 PM
@SteveD (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3710) and @Miss Kitty (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1617), Hemet has openings in March. https://www.appleurgentcare.com/covid-vaccine-clinics/.

Book it. You can always cancel if you get something sooner.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 19, 2021, 05:59:28 PM
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@SteveD (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3710) and @Miss Kitty (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1617), Hemet has openings in March. https://www.appleurgentcare.com/covid-vaccine-clinics/.

Book it. You can always cancel if you get something sooner.
Thanks, my father was able to get an appointment in Hemet for mid February.
He'll keep checking for something earlier.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 19, 2021, 09:44:05 PM
Vaccines available in Chula Vista Albertson's: January 21-29

Vons on Washington St., San Diego: February 10-28

Vons on 30th St., San Diego: January 27-29


Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 19, 2021, 11:52:43 PM
Taking my parents to Petco tomorrow to get vaccinated.  I'm so nervous that something will go wrong and it won't happen.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 20, 2021, 07:50:13 AM
My dad really doesn't want to go to Petco, he's hoping the CVS or Ralph's near him in PB will be providing vaccines once the Biden plan kicks in.  With his limited eyesight he gets anxious in unfamiliar places.  If anyone hears anything PLEASE keep me posted.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 20, 2021, 10:50:00 AM
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My dad really doesn't want to go to Petco, he's hoping the CVS or Ralph's near him in PB will be providing vaccines once the Biden plan kicks in.  With his limited eyesight he gets anxious in unfamiliar places.  If anyone hears anything PLEASE keep me posted.  Thanks.
What is it with the over 80 folks.... LOL (meant in the most loving of ways)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 20, 2021, 02:21:21 PM
I know that SD has a way smaller supply than anticipated, so very limited openings. I'll let you know if I hear of anything.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on January 20, 2021, 05:55:22 PM
So it turns out that a neighbor of my father's who runs a care center had extra doses today and offered them to my father and step mother.
So that worked out good for them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 20, 2021, 06:54:43 PM
My parents were vaccinated at Petco today.  On the local news, they have a story about how people were upset the lines and wait were long.  I thought it went very smoothly.  Exactly 1 hour from when we pulled up to when we drove off the lot.  Half that time was the mandatory safety wait for an allergic reaction after vaccination.  It's 15 mins but it's 15 mins from the last vaccination in your group.  We were first vaccinated so it ended up being about 30 mins for us.

We got there very early.  It didn't matter since no one seemed to care when our appointment was, only that we had one.  There was a tiny line to get on the lot then we were in line for registration.  Contrary to what the confirmation email said, they only wanted to see ID.  They didn't want the confirmation email.  Once through registration we got into the line for vaccination.  Like Hall H, they take cars in chutes.  So groups of cars at a time.  All are put into the chutes and released at the same time.  The actually jab was speedy.  Verbal confirmation of ID, handing out a vaccination card and then the jab.  Then wait to be released.

I didn't know but there's also drive up and walk in options.  It's not just drive thru.  We were the last car chute next to the walk in chute.  That option looks to be much faster.  At first I thought it was a chute on break.  There were very few people there.  Then I realized it was where they gave jabs outside of cars.  People could either walk up or just park and go there.  It was never anywhere close to full.  It was empty a few times during my 30 mins there.

All in all, I think it went well.  It's well run and gets the job done.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 20, 2021, 08:32:09 PM
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My parents were vaccinated at Petco today.  On the local news, they have a story about how people were upset the lines and wait were long.  I thought it went very smoothly.  Exactly 1 hour from when we pulled up to when we drove off the lot.  Half that time was the mandatory safety wait for an allergic reaction after vaccination.  It's 15 mins but it's 15 mins from the last vaccination in your group.  We were first vaccinated so it ended up being about 30 mins for us.

We got there very early.  It didn't matter since no one seemed to care when our appointment was, only that we had one.  There was a tiny line to get on the lot then we were in line for registration.  Contrary to what the confirmation email said, they only wanted to see ID.  They didn't want the confirmation email.  Once through registration we got into the line for vaccination.  Like Hall H, they take cars in chutes.  So groups of cars at a time.  All are put into the chutes and released at the same time.  The actually jab was speedy.  Verbal confirmation of ID, handing out a vaccination card and then the jab.  Then wait to be released.

I didn't know but there's also drive up and walk in options.  It's not just drive thru.  We were the last car chute next to the walk in chute.  That option looks to be much faster.  At first I thought it was a chute on break.  There were very few people there.  Then I realized it was where they gave jabs outside of cars.  People could either walk up or just park and go there.  It was never anywhere close to full.  It was empty a few times during my 30 mins there.

All in all, I think it went well.  It's well run and gets the job done.

I know people are complaining a lot about the lines and appointments and all, it's all going a lot faster than I expected.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 20, 2021, 11:11:36 PM
For San Diego people, another super site has opened.  This time in the South Bay.  Right now, it has appointments while all the other sites don't.

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/COVID-19-VaxEvents.html#southbay
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 21, 2021, 07:00:58 AM
i am thrilled to hear of everyone's successes! It gives me hope

Philly on the other hand is a clusterXXX
There's been an organization handling free testing which already started a 'pre-commitment' sign up for the Vaccine. They have the inferstructure in place to do the Vac so were shiffting from testing to vac'ing.
yesterday, the local public radio published this https://whyy.org/articles/philadelphia-is-launching-a-covid-19-vaccine-sign-up-what-about-the-one-that-exists/?fbclid=IwAR1uRnF1IDuW9AHXPIUtCRctTt-4mBt-tkQYKs6CMfKd-g-QmSQdgomfIO0
Essentially the City is saying- that's garbage, cese&desist. The City goes on to say they're rolling out their own 'interest' sign up portal next week. They're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. 
I'm getting to the point i want to fly my folks out here so i can get them Vac'ed

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I know people are complaining a lot about the lines and appointments and all, it's all going a lot faster than I expected.
I'm not sure if this is true in the LA region but SD is doing great compared to other places!- yes, it's a pita but shots are getting into arms.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 21, 2021, 09:14:27 AM
Made the second dose appts for my parents.  Petco seems to have appts every morning but they disappear quickly.  Southbay still has open appts right now.

I heard on NPR that the no show rate in LA is 20%.  So that's why they already opened it up to 65 and over.  Basically as a standby line for the no shows.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 22, 2021, 12:01:36 PM
I'll be heading to Petco this afternoon assisting an older gentleman in getting his first shot.
i will report back
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 23, 2021, 07:16:00 AM
Unlike @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) we were in the chute to the far left & did not see any walk ups. Apparently, the red line stop is close to the site and can be used for public transport.

the car line for the site started just as we got off the 5 & took about a half an hr to get to the gates. We arrived at 3:25pm.
The process was fast once in the gate.  We were driving away at 4:45

There are ways to cut the line to the gate, as it isn't monitored but it annoyed me when someone did. #grumble What was even worse is the person tried to give me a hard time about not letting them in line after i'd been waiting a half an hour--- #narrowEyes #personalDigression

oh, one other point of interest, the second appointment is made through the MyChart app

oh and another data point. the county said on thursday it received about 150,000 doses that day. There should be enough to get shots into arms for a few days.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 23, 2021, 08:25:59 AM
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I'll be heading to Petco this afternoon assisting an older gentleman in getting his first shot.
i will report back

HUGE shout out to @alyssa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) , that was my dad she took to Petco today!!  I appreciate her help so much!

Another reason FoCC is the absolute best!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 23, 2021, 08:43:30 AM
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HUGE shout out to @alyssa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) , that was my dad she took to Petco today!!  I appreciate her help so much!

Another reason FoCC is the absolute best!!
thanks
i didn't want to 'out' him without your permission. ;) @TardisMom (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=842)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 23, 2021, 09:18:40 AM
I friggin love our nerd family!!!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 23, 2021, 09:21:13 AM
I'm trying to get my aunt in at a HS and appointments open up at noon. I'm going to have the Onions help, but let's be honest, they were born with a Comic Con badge in their mouth. So they don't get the urgency. Crossing fingers!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 23, 2021, 09:34:07 AM
massive amounts of appointments available at petco right now
@Miss Kitty (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1617)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 23, 2021, 01:06:09 PM
still massive number of appointments available at petco
at this rate the county can lower their age bracket to 65 soon

i just really really hope they get to the 55 + bracket by mid march. I'm scheduled to fly to philly
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 23, 2021, 01:10:51 PM
4 of us were trying to get an appt and we all failed. All of those appts at Petco won't do us any good until they change the age limit. This is so disheartening. I feel like I let her down trying to potentially save her life.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 23, 2021, 01:19:45 PM
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4 of us were trying to get an appt and we all failed. All of those appts at Petco won't do us any good until they change the age limit. This is so disheartening. I feel like I let her down trying to potentially save her life.

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i feel u're pain
I'm trying to get an appointments for my folks in philly... they're 80+

what good is it having 'skills' if you can't take care of your family?
I'll get notified when the site changes down to 70 & will text u
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 23, 2021, 01:42:50 PM
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massive amounts of appointments available at petco right now
@Miss Kitty (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1617)

Not just at Petco but at all the San Diego sites.  It's a shame that appts are going on unused today.  In 5 minutes another batch of appts will go unclaimed at Petco.  They should lower the age to 65 in San Diego now.  It seems that all the 1As including the 75 and over are done.

It seems that California is spinning up a statewide coordinated vaccine effort.  The county sites are now scheduled through a California wide website instead of locally.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 23, 2021, 04:25:27 PM
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Not just at Petco but at all the San Diego sites.  It's a shame that appts are going on unused today.  In 5 minutes another batch of appts will go unclaimed at Petco.  They should lower the age to 65 in San Diego now.  It seems that all the 1As including the 75 and over are done.

It seems that California is spinning up a statewide coordinated vaccine effort.  The county sites are now scheduled through a California wide website instead of locally.
On the flip side...

Some good friends of mine, older than I (I'm in my mid-40's, the oldest of this couple is low-60's), recently had their mom pass away this past week.  She was in her late-90's, and has been living in an assisted living home in San Diego (in the Poway/Rancho Bernardo area) for several years now.  Yesterday my friends were cleaning out mom's apartment, and as they were walking out in the lobby, an employee was putting up information about vaccine administration for today (Saturday).  The husband (whose mom is the one who died) just casually mentioned something like, "boy I'd love to get it on that" and the employee said, "well, you can!"  Apparently at this assisted living residence, they had gotten their vaccine doses and were giving them up by 1) residents (all very old, many with health complications) 2) employees (the med. staff had already received both vaccine doses) 3) family of residents.  This was based on different time frames, so if there were zero doses left after employees then family were out of luck.  They should up a bit early late this morning and sure enough got their first shot & an appointment for their 2nd dose in a few weeks.

My parents in AZ (both well under 70) also just made their appointments for their 2 doses earlier in the week.

So it sucks that we're all sitting around and waiting.  And waiting.  And waiting.

And waiting.

But at least there ARE folks taking care of business. 

I know we all hate having to wait: I used to _LOVE_ pre-purchasing my SDCCI badge for the next year the week of the Con (so, like, Thursday morning of 2005 Comic-Con I'd pre-pay for my 4-day w/PN badge for 2006...probably for, like, $50), and even the last year they pre-sold badges on-site I was there Thursday morning well before sun-up to wait in line to buy my next year's badge and end my waiting as quick as possible.  Heck, I'm a music teacher who hasn't seen the majority of my students in-person since March 13th 2020 & due to the awful COVID case-rates in San Diego County I haven't even seen my classroom since December 2020!  We have to have some faith that the process will work and we & our loved ones will get vaccinated, the virus won't mutate, and we'll all be OK eventually.  (I'm massively impatient so of course this is often much easier to write than live  :-X ).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 23, 2021, 05:01:53 PM
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Not just at Petco but at all the San Diego sites.  It's a shame that appts are going on unused today.  In 5 minutes another batch of appts will go unclaimed at Petco.  They should lower the age to 65 in San Diego now.  It seems that all the 1As including the 75 and over are done.

It seems that California is spinning up a statewide coordinated vaccine effort.  The county sites are now scheduled through a California wide website instead of locally.
i can't see them holding at 75 for much longer- I've been expecting my notification ding of change to go off at any point. my guess is they'll have to drop the age on monday at the latest
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 23, 2021, 06:00:43 PM
and it's official, 65 and over is a go,  tier 1B
https://www.countynewscenter.com/county-expands-covid-19-vaccinations-to-65-and-older/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 24, 2021, 06:11:28 AM
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and it's official, 65 and over is a go,  tier 1B
https://www.countynewscenter.com/county-expands-covid-19-vaccinations-to-65-and-older/
This is only for San Diego and Orange County. Other counties coming soon.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 24, 2021, 08:30:36 PM
I heard there are a few hospitals in Los Angeles that have limited unused supplies of the vaccine at the end of the day that they give out to people not on the priority list (20, 30 and 40 somethings for example).  But this means you have to show up at the crack of dawn and wait in an unofficial or impromptu line.  Just like waiting for a Hall H panel two days in advance.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-23/standby-lines-backdoor-vaccine-access
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on January 24, 2021, 09:34:23 PM
 https://twitter.com/zavalaa/status/1353569666212401152?s=21 (https://twitter.com/zavalaa/status/1353569666212401152?s=21)

Hmmmmm, looks like CA’s stay-at-home order is getting lifted tomorrow (Monday).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 25, 2021, 12:36:27 AM
How vaccinations have gone in San Diego is illustrative.  There's a big rush when a new criteria opens up like 75 and older but then it drops off precipitously.  There are an estimated 620,000 people in tier 1A and over 75.  There's no way that many people have been vaccinated.  Not even half that.  Yet a week after it was opened up to 75 and over, the county literally coudn't give away vaccination appts.  Let's see how long demand holds up with the people 65 and over.  Right now there are already unclaimed appts at some vaccination sites in San Diego County.  They happen to be in the neighborhoods that are hot spots.  Places where you see plenty of people that don't wear masks.  Which makes sense.  If they can't be bothered to wear a mask, why would they get vaccinated?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 25, 2021, 04:55:46 AM
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Right now there are already unclaimed appts at some test sites in San Diego County.  They happen to be in the neighborhoods that are hot spots.  Places where you see plenty of people that don't wear masks.  Which makes sense.  If they can't be bothered to wear a mask, why would they get vaccinated?
Thx for the tip. I've got a non-forum friend who's looking for apptments for her parents,

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https://twitter.com/zavalaa/status/1353569666212401152?s=21 (https://twitter.com/zavalaa/status/1353569666212401152?s=21)

Hmmmmm, looks like CA’s stay-at-home order is getting lifted tomorrow (Monday).

Ironically, most folks will stay hm due to the rain LOL
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 25, 2021, 07:54:32 AM
Petco is closed today, apartments are to be honored later on this week. do not reschedule

oh, one more thing, if anyone is interested in volunteering & getting inoculated, https://health.ucsd.edu/coronavirus/Pages/vaccine-volunteer.aspx
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 25, 2021, 09:37:25 AM
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Petco is closed today, apartments are to be honored later on this week. do not reschedule

oh, one more thing, if anyone is interested in volunteering & getting inoculated, https://health.ucsd.edu/coronavirus/Pages/vaccine-volunteer.aspx

Are you saying volunteers will get inoculated?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 25, 2021, 10:44:38 AM
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Are you saying volunteers will get inoculated?

I believe that is the case-  at least that is what i was told
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 25, 2021, 12:24:35 PM
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How vaccinations have gone in San Diego is illustrative.  There's a big rush when a new criteria opens up like 75 and older but then it drops off precipitously.  There are an estimated 620,000 people in tier 1A and over 75.  There's no way that many people have been vaccinated.  Not even half that.  Yet a week after it was opened up to 75 and over, the county literally coudn't give away vaccination appts.  Let's see how long demand holds up with the people 65 and over.  Right now there are already unclaimed appts at some test sites in San Diego County.  They happen to be in the neighborhoods that are hot spots.  Places where you see plenty of people that don't wear masks.  Which makes sense.  If they can't be bothered to wear a mask, why would they get vaccinated?
According to the SD county gov website 442k+ vaccination doses have shipped, with only 192k+ administered (including 31k+ being fully vaccinated).  That leads almost quarter of a million doses currently not administered (and almost 100k additional doses than needed for the 2nd does of those who've already received their first dose).
https://sdcounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/c0f4b16356b840478dfdd50d1630ff2a
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 25, 2021, 01:21:26 PM
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Thx for the tip. I've got a non-forum friend who's looking for apptments for her parents,

Oops.  I meant vaccination sites instead of test sites.  The hot spots in San Diego are in the East and South County.  Right now the super station in Chula Vista has appts as soon as tomorrow.  As of last night the county run sites in Chula Vista and El Cajon also had open appts on multiple days as soon as tomorrow.  Either National City or Imperial Beach did too.

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Are you saying volunteers will get inoculated?

I think volunteers would have to be.  They would be frontline medical workers at that point.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 25, 2021, 08:20:53 PM
This study released last October by the American Society of Hematology says there is no evidence that having a specific blood type will determine the severity of Covid-19 symptoms, but it suggests people with Type O blood may be less likely to be infected with Covid-19 than people with Type A blood.  The study is peer-reviewed.

http://www.hematology.org/newsroom/press-releases/2020/possible-link-between-blood-type-and-covid-19
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 25, 2021, 09:51:23 PM
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This study released last October by the American Society of Hematology says there is no evidence that having a specific blood type will determine the severity of Covid-19 symptoms, but it suggests people with Type O blood may be less likely to be infected with Covid-19 than people with Type A blood.  The study is peer-reviewed.

http://www.hematology.org/newsroom/press-releases/2020/possible-link-between-blood-type-and-covid-19

That study confirmed a Chinese study from last March.  Which has been the pattern during covid.  The Chinese publish a study.  We doubt the results.  We then conduct our own study that confirms it.

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/china-covid-19-study-blood-type-o-are-more-resistant-type-a-are-more-susceptible-to-infection/ar-BB11m7SA

The variant news is bad today.  As with it being more contagious, we are now starting to be on board with the British that the UK variant is also more virulent.  It's easier to get and more deadly.  But that's not the worst of the variant news.  The current vaccines seem to be just as effective against the UK variant.  Not so with the South African variant.  Which is as expected since the SA variant has more changes than the UK one.  Moderna said today that they will develop a booster shot.  So the Moderna vaccine will be 3 jabs, up from 2.  Considering that that BioNTech vaccine is in essence the same, I expect that will need a booster too.


Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 26, 2021, 10:18:05 AM
Petco closed again today due to storm damage.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 26, 2021, 11:13:36 AM
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Are you saying volunteers will get inoculated?

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I think volunteers would have to be.  They would be frontline medical workers at that point.

i applied to be a non-jab or med volunteer.  i will see what type of response i get. i'm totally willing to put in a timeslot a week.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 26, 2021, 01:16:38 PM
CA announced yesterday that vaccination eligibility will now be strictly by age, and no longer by profession.  So 65-older now, likely 50-older next, etc.
You can read about it in the SD Union Tribune: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/story/2021-01-26/new-covid-vaccine-eligibility-guidance-uses-age-based-list

As detailed in the article,
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The move comes as California still is struggling to get enough vaccine to meet demand. Last week, state officials said it could take until June to get vaccinations to all those 65 and older. Los Angeles County In Los Angeles County, 500,000 doses would be needed per week in order to vaccinate all adults by mid-summer, chief science officer Dr. Paul Simon said Friday...In Los Angeles County, 500,000 doses would be needed per week in order to vaccinate all adults by mid-summer, chief science officer Dr. Paul Simon said Friday.  But at the rate that current allocation is going, efforts would continue well into 2022.

Bad news: US vaccine dispersal is horrible.  The previous POTUS Administration had zero plan to get it out efficiently, we're woefully behind, and many of us could still be in a similar situation in a year waiting to get the vaccine.
Good news: Biden has seemingly put the right people in charge that _could_ turn this around and expedite the process.  While six months ago we were seemingly in a world of unknown for negative reasons, currently it feels like we're in an unknown of "_maybe_ things could improve now that experts are in charge.  Now that Biden has enacted the Defense Production Act, it's plausible vaccines can be producers and distributed more rapidly than the current pace.

I hate all of these unknowns, but such is our current life situation nowadays.  Current numbers don't seem like the path to plausibly believe Comic-Con in-person will happen, but Biden seems to be taking steps to give us a possibility that some sort of in-person/(likely) hybrid version _MIGHT_ occur. 
San Diego numbers are dropping, with lowest new case number in about a month yesterday.  We'll see deaths climb from the holiday peaks but it seems probably that San Diego has peaked and is stabilizing, if not dropping, in infection rates county-wide (with, of course, some zip codes being dangerously high still)


 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 26, 2021, 02:28:24 PM
wow,
i'm sorry to hear that teachers & grocery store workers won't get priority.
i have to admit tho, verifying those people would be a logistical nightmare - in a perfect world it wouldn't but in this environment #sigh
looking at an id for a birth year is so much easier


Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 26, 2021, 03:06:03 PM
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CA announced yesterday that vaccination eligibility will now be strictly by age, and no longer by profession.  So 65-older now, likely 50-older next, etc.

IMO, that's the way it should have been from the start.  Vaccinate based on vulnerability.  Especially since many front line health care workers are refusing the vaccine.  A couple of weeks ago, the CEO of a hospital group said that half his front line workers were refusing to take the vaccine.

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i'm sorry to hear that teachers & grocery store workers won't get priority.

It turns out teachers don't need it.  In a recent study, being in a well run school is substantially safer than being in the general population.  It's the ordered environment with mandatory mask wearing.  Grocery store workers, on the other hand, definitely do.  Grocery stores are probably one of the most dangerous places to be.  When the government released not just numbers, but where community outbreaks were happening, big box and grocery stores were up there.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 26, 2021, 03:34:42 PM
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IMO, that's the way it should have been from the start.  Vaccinate based on vulnerability.  Especially since many front line health care workers are refusing the vaccine.  A couple of weeks ago, the CEO of a hospital group said that half his front line workers were refusing to take the vaccine.

It turns out teachers don't need it.  In a recent study, being in a well run school is substantially safer than being in the general population.  It's the ordered environment with mandatory mask wearing.  Grocery store workers, on the other hand, definitely do.  Grocery stores are probably one of the most dangerous places to be.  When the government released not just numbers, but where community outbreaks were happening, big box and grocery stores were up there.
Ah, and therein lies the rub: a "well run school."  In my experience, my mom & pop-run martial arts studio is WAY more reliable as far as health standards than any school in the district I work for (FWIW I'm also a union leader so I know where A LOT of the skeletons are buried, so to speak; I also know it's incredibly easier to maintain high standards at a relatively tiny martial arts studio vs a 2,200+ student-populated HS).
That being said, I to pragmatically agree that the vaccine should indeed go to the most vulnerable first, which includes older folks who statistically have higher death rates than younger folks.  As a relatively healthy mid-40 year old, I'm OK with those more vulnerable than I getting dibs on a vaccine before me (just as I would celebrate if the government eliminated all student debt, even though all student debt in our family was just recently 100% paid off).

Of course, if we're going _that_ route, then the govt. REALLY needs to hit the low economic zip codes just as hard as retirement communities.  Of course, there needs to be a plethora of eduction for those folks, as our country has a myriad of incredibly awful history of the medical field doing unspeakably awful things to Native Americans and other POC (things such as forced sterilization, as one example).  I've read of the massive distrust in many of those communities that it may be incredibly difficult to convince large populations to trust in the vaccine; hopefully part of Biden's plan includes education about the vaccine to the masses.
But that's a whooooole other convo, I think  :-[
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 26, 2021, 03:59:03 PM
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Of course, if we're going _that_ route, then the govt. REALLY needs to hit the low economic zip codes just as hard as retirement communities.  Of course, there needs to be a plethora of eduction for those folks, as our country has a myriad of incredibly awful history of the medical field doing unspeakably awful things to Native Americans and other POC (things such as forced sterilization, as one example).  I've read of the massive distrust in many of those communities that it may be incredibly difficult to convince large populations to trust in the vaccine; hopefully part of Biden's plan includes education about the vaccine to the masses.
But that's a whooooole other convo, I think  :-[

Agreed.  Unfortunately that's going to be a tough problem to address especially with injections like a vaccine.  For centuries African Americans were used as unwitting test subjects including to test vaccines.  This wasn't just something that happened 200 years ago.  It went on in secret into the late 20th century.  And it only stopped then because it was exposed.  The distrust is justified.

The Biden administration said again today that they would address it.  Mobile vaccination and education are part of their plan in challenged neighborhoods.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 26, 2021, 05:18:55 PM
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CA announced yesterday that vaccination eligibility will now be strictly by age, and no longer by profession.  So 65-older now, likely 50-older next, etc.
You can read about it in the SD Union Tribune: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/story/2021-01-26/new-covid-vaccine-eligibility-guidance-uses-age-based-list

As detailed in the article,
Bad news: US vaccine dispersal is horrible.  The previous POTUS Administration had zero plan to get it out efficiently, we're woefully behind, and many of us could still be in a similar situation in a year waiting to get the vaccine.
Good news: Biden has seemingly put the right people in charge that _could_ turn this around and expedite the process.  While six months ago we were seemingly in a world of unknown for negative reasons, currently it feels like we're in an unknown of "_maybe_ things could improve now that experts are in charge.  Now that Biden has enacted the Defense Production Act, it's plausible vaccines can be producers and distributed more rapidly than the current pace.

I hate all of these unknowns, but such is our current life situation nowadays.  Current numbers don't seem like the path to plausibly believe Comic-Con in-person will happen, but Biden seems to be taking steps to give us a possibility that some sort of in-person/(likely) hybrid version _MIGHT_ occur. 
San Diego numbers are dropping, with lowest new case number in about a month yesterday.  We'll see deaths climb from the holiday peaks but it seems probably that San Diego has peaked and is stabilizing, if not dropping, in infection rates county-wide (with, of course, some zip codes being dangerously high still)
After re-reading that article, I may have (slightly) misspoken:
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The modifications announced Monday by Gov. Gavin Newsom leave unchanged the current priority list, which focuses on healthcare workers and residents 65 and older before expanding to teachers, farmworkers and first responders.

But there will be shift in who gets the vaccine after them. Under the original plan’s tier structure, Tier 2 workers in manufacturing, transportation and commercial and residential settings along with incarcerated people and the homeless would be prioritized.
That seems to be:
1A: healthcare providers
1B Tier 1:
* currently: 65+, in addition to healthcare providers who've seemingly/mostly already gotten vaccinations
* next: teachers, farmworkers, 1st responders
1B-Tier 2:
* from here seemingly by age; maybe 50 or 55+?

Man, things are soooooo fluid right now!  It's challenging enough to stay on top of things constantly changing/evolving in my school job, let alone all this other government bureaucracy.  The CA pandemic stuff (which I have to stay at least moderately on-top of for my job, at least as it pertains to education and whatnot) has already changed several times just since the school year started in September (for us - two weeks later than we were supposed to start).  Some days my head reeeallly hurts thinking of all this stuff  (luckily in 90 minutes I'll likely be doing kickboxing, albeit virtually, so I can take at least some frustrations out there  :P 8) )
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 26, 2021, 05:42:57 PM
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That study confirmed a Chinese study from last March.  Which has been the pattern during covid.  The Chinese publish a study.  We doubt the results.  We then conduct our own study that confirms it.

https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/world/china-covid-19-study-blood-type-o-are-more-resistant-type-a-are-more-susceptible-to-infection/ar-BB11m7SA

LOL!  I love the disclaimer at the end!

Disclaimer: Microsoft News is unable to verify the legitimacy of this study.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 26, 2021, 05:50:02 PM
back to daily updates from the science team at the white house. starting tomorrow
biden announced today
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 26, 2021, 08:14:58 PM
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LOL!  I love the disclaimer at the end!

Disclaimer: Microsoft News is unable to verify the legitimacy of this study.

It's just another example of "Not Done Here" syndrome.  That article was written for an audience in Singapore.  An article about the same study written on the same day by an American for an American audience has no such disclaimer from MSN.  Both articles quote the same sources with the same quotes from the same researcher.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/does-blood-type-matter-when-it-comes-to-coronavirus-a-chinese-study-says-yes/ar-BB11n8vT
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 27, 2021, 01:04:42 PM
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Ah, and therein lies the rub: a "well run school."  In my experience, my mom & pop-run martial arts studio is WAY more reliable as far as health standards than any school in the district I work for (FWIW I'm also a union leader so I know where A LOT of the skeletons are buried, so to speak; I also know it's incredibly easier to maintain high standards at a relatively tiny martial arts studio vs a 2,200+ student-populated HS).

I saw on the news this morning that some teachers are already getting vaccinated through their unions.  The unions arrange for it like employers did for their health care workers.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 27, 2021, 02:19:58 PM
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back to daily updates from the science team at the white house. starting tomorrow
biden announced today
the first coronavirus update was a bit rocky, it was virtual so wifi signal was a bit problematic.
next up date is Friday
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 27, 2021, 07:33:55 PM
Fauci has said how the booster shots for the new variants will be approved rapidly.  They will only go through Phase 1 clinical trials before being approved for emergency use.  Phase 1 is short.  It's Phase 3 that takes months.  Phase 1 is only about safety, that it won't kill you.

Europe and the WHO are moving away from cloth masks.  In Germany and other countries they are mandating medical masks out in public.  The WHO recommends medical masks for people over 60.  Germany is supplying it's people with the European equivalent of N95s.  As these things go, in a few months we should catch up and have the same recommendation.  Cloth masks were always a better than nothing option.  Now PPE supply has caught up so it's time to use real masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on January 28, 2021, 09:50:24 AM
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Fauci has said how the booster shots for the new variants will be approved rapidly.  They will only go through Phase 1 clinical trials before being approved for emergency use.  Phase 1 is short.  It's Phase 3 that takes months.  Phase 1 is only about safety, that it won't kill you.

Europe and the WHO are moving away from cloth masks.  In Germany and other countries they are mandating medical masks out in public.  The WHO recommends medical masks for people over 60.  Germany is supplying it's people with the European equivalent of N95s.  As these things go, in a few months we should catch up and have the same recommendation. Cloth masks were always a better than nothing option. Now PPE supply has caught up so it's time to use real masks.

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*Pal = those that are finally recommending better masks, even though it was obvious that many should be using better masks sooner. Again, the 'higher ups' are late to the game regardless of 'supply'.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 28, 2021, 12:17:14 PM
Riverside County has just opened up a ton of appointments for ages 85 and up. Everything is available.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 28, 2021, 01:23:08 PM
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*Pal = those that are finally recommending better masks, even though it was obvious that many should be using better masks sooner. Again, the 'higher ups' are late to the game regardless of 'supply'.

The "higher ups" knew what they were doing all along.  But there are realities.  10 months ago there wasn't enough PPE for everyone.  There is a big difference between acknowledging that and telling people to cover up the best they can versus telling them that they don't need to wear masks.  That's what we did here in the US.  The top public health officials told people that they didn't need to wear masks.  The press conference I found most laughable was when one of them said something like "there may even be evidence that wearing a mask protects the wearer".  No poop(family friendly site).  Study after study has shown that wearing a masks prevents spread of respiratory illnesses.  It was true 100 years ago, it's true today.  The first thing the Chinese CDC said to everyone including to us was "It's a respiratory illness.  Why aren't you wearing masks?"  Yet here we pretended all this was novel and that mask wearing helping to prevent infection needed to be discovered.

If you take notice, you'll see that many of the "higher ups" wear medical masks under their cloth masks.  So it looks like they are wearing cloth masks but in reality they are wearing more effective surgical masks.  Personally, I haven't been out of the house since March without a N95 on.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 28, 2021, 03:32:40 PM
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The "higher ups" knew what they were doing all along.  But there are realities.  10 months ago there wasn't enough PPE for everyone.  There is a big difference between acknowledging that and telling people to cover up the best they can versus telling them that they don't need to wear masks.  That's what we did here in the US.  The top public health officials told people that they didn't need to wear masks.  The press conference I found most laughable was when one of them said something like "there may even be evidence that wearing a mask protects the wearer".  No poop(family friendly site).  Study after study has shown that wearing a masks prevents spread of respiratory illnesses.  It was true 100 years ago, it's true today.  The first thing the Chinese CDC said to everyone including to us was "It's a respiratory illness.  Why aren't you wearing masks?"  Yet here we pretended all this was novel and that mask wearing helping to prevent infection needed to be discovered.

If you take notice, you'll see that many of the "higher ups" wear medical masks under their cloth masks.  So it looks like they are wearing cloth masks but in reality they are wearing more effective surgical masks.  Personally, I haven't been out of the house since March without a N95 on.

I feel like what they did in the beginning was lie to the public because they did not want us to make a run on the N95s. This came back to bite them in the butt because people don't easily unlearn what they initially learn. I have started wearing an N95 (with valve) underneath a cloth mask.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 28, 2021, 04:47:41 PM
There is good and bad vaccine news today.  The good news is that there's a new vaccine on the horizon.  It's the first clinical glimpse we have about vaccines and the new variants since the trials are being run in the UK and South Africa.  The Novavax vaccine is 96% effective against the strain dominant in the US.  The bad news is that it's much less effective against the new variants.  It's only 86% effective against the UK variant.  It's only 60% effective against the South African variant among HIV negative people.  It's only 49% effective against a mixed population of HIV + and -.

That's not good.  If the South African, or similar Brazilian, variant become the dominant strain then we are looking at vaccines that are only 60% effective.  I don't see why the BioNTech and Moderna vaccines would fare any better than the Novavax one.  I guess Moderna saw this coming and that's why they are developing a SA variant booster now.

I don't see why the South African variant won't become the dominant strain.  Just as the European strain out competed the Chinese strain.  Just as the UK strain is out competing the European strain.  There's nothing stopping the SA strain from out competing the UK strain.

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I feel like what they did in the beginning was lie to the public because they did not want us to make a run on the N95s. This came back to bite them in the butt because people don't easily unlearn what they initially learn. I have started wearing an N95 (with valve) underneath a cloth mask.

IMO, that's exactly what public health did in the US.  They misled.  That's why I don't have Fauci up on a pedestal.  He knew better.  If he didn't, then he should have.  Decades of science have shown that about masks.  Saying that this is a novel virus so we don't know doesn't cut it.  It's a respiratory illness like many others.  Covid is SARS 2 and like SARS 1, masks are a great way to fight it.  That was all known when they said the general public didn't need to wear masks.

It's good that you are wearing another mask over the valve.  That's what's done in health care when all they can get are industrial masks with a valve.  Since without that second mask over the valve, the mask does little in the way of preventing spread.  I shudder when I see health care professionals wearing masks like P100s.  The are too big to wear another mask over the exhaust valve.  Just today, PM Johnson was at a lab where the tech was wearing a mask with a valve.  In a research lab where preventing cross contamination is paramount, WTH?  I treat people wearing masks with a valve exactly as if they were wearing no mask at all.  I give them a wide berth.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 28, 2021, 05:14:09 PM
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There is good and bad vaccine news today.  The good news is that there's a new vaccine on the horizon.  It's the first clinical glimpse we have about vaccines and the new variants since the trials are being run in the UK and South Africa.  The Novavax vaccine is 96% effective against the strain dominant in the US.  The bad news is that it's much less effective against the new variants.  It's only 86% effective against the UK variant.  It's only 60% effective against the South African variant among HIV negative people.  It's only 49% effective against a mixed population of HIV + and -.

That's not good.  If the South African, or similar Brazilian, variant become the dominant strain then we are looking at vaccines that are only 60% effective.  I don't see why the BioNTech and Moderna vaccines would fare any better than the Novavax one.  I guess Moderna saw this coming and that's why they are developing a SA variant booster now.

I don't see why the South African variant won't become the dominant strain.  Just as the European strain out competed the Chinese strain.  Just as the UK strain is out competing the European strain.  There's nothing stopping the SA strain from out competing the UK strain.

IMO, that's exactly what public health did in the US.  They misled.  That's why I don't have Fauci up on a pedestal.  He knew better.  If he didn't, then he should have.  Decades of science have shown that about masks.  Saying that this is a novel virus so we don't know doesn't cut it.  It's a respiratory illness like many others.  Covid is SARS 2 and like SARS 1, masks are a great way to fight it.  That was all known when they said the general public didn't need to wear masks.

It's good that you are wearing another mask over the valve.  That's what's done in health care when all they can get are industrial masks with a valve.  Since without that second mask over the valve, the mask does little in the way of preventing spread.  I shudder when I see health care professionals wearing masks like P100s.  The are too big to wear another mask over the exhaust valve.  Just today, PM Johnson was at a lab where the tech was wearing a mask with a valve.  In a research lab where preventing cross contamination is paramount, WTH?  I treat people wearing masks with a valve exactly as if they were wearing no mask at all.  I give them a wide berth.

Exactly, they told the "truth," in that they had not studied the effectiveness of the masks against SARS-CoV-2; that part was true because it was a new virus. They misled by making people believe that it meant the masks weren't effective. They should have said that based on other viruses and the fact that it's a respiratory disease, they believe masks are effective but that there are not enough N95 masks, so please use a cloth mask.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 29, 2021, 10:21:02 AM
J&J released some results today.  They basically confirm Novavax's results on the variants.  It only re-emphasizes the importance of wearing masks.

San Diego has messed up it's vaccination appointment website.  I guess it was too clear and easy to use for a government site.  Now the site makes you jump through hoops that lead you to believe there are available appointments only to say that there really aren't.  Good thing the old links still work to bypass all that.  I hope they don't turn those off.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 29, 2021, 11:24:05 AM
Kaiser is vaccinating 75 and up now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 29, 2021, 01:19:21 PM
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San Diego has messed up it's vaccination appointment website.  I guess it was too clear and easy to use for a government site.  Now the site makes you jump through hoops that lead you to believe there are available appointments only to say that there really aren't.  Good thing the old links still work to bypass all that.  I hope they don't turn those off.


have you seen appointments pop up at petco using the old site?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 30, 2021, 12:58:33 PM
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have you seen appointments pop up at petco using the old site?

No.  No appointments just like through the new site.  It's just much faster to find that out.  I have to keep looking though.  Due to a hospitalization I had to skip an appt for an elderly relative.  Call off the funeral, she lives.  I was literally shopping for funeral packages a week ago when there were all those open appts right before they opened it up to 65 and over.  I'm still kicking myself for not making an appt a week out just in case.  But when you are trying to plan a funeral for someone, setting up a vaccination appt for that same person doesn't come to mind.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 30, 2021, 02:21:36 PM
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No.  No appointments just like through the new site.  It's just much faster to find that out.  I have to keep looking though.  Due to a hospitalization I had to skip an appt for an elderly relative.  Call off the funeral, she lives.  I was literally shopping for funeral packages a week ago when there were all those open appts right before they opened it up to 65 and over.  I'm still kicking myself for not making an appt a week out just in case.  But when you are trying to plan a funeral for someone, setting up a vaccination appt for that same person doesn't come to mind.
i actually did see some appointment at petco on the old site an hr or two ago.
so glad you're not planing/having a funeral!

oh in the continuing saga of fubar'ed Philly

A Scandal Erupts Over Vaccination Startup Led By 22-Year-Old

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/29/962143659/in-philadelphia-a-scandal-erupts-over-vaccination-start-up-led-by-22-year-old?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2ouvtOasZ6AxvSR2DnZH9mDG8UnUXEYvQLCPRKBRVRDFO5jZ8gbBSEPRw
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 30, 2021, 03:15:14 PM
Thanks.  Missed the appts.  Only thing to do is to keep trying.

I saw a story about that 22 year old and his quest to disrupt vaccinations last week.  I'm not sure that something like that at a time like this is the right time to bring in Silicon Valley type tactics.  Anyone that's been in a startup knows that it's messy and prone to failure.  It's one thing when it's a website selling lollipops.  It's another when lives are at stake.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on January 30, 2021, 04:51:55 PM
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Thanks.  Missed the appts.  Only thing to do is to keep trying.

I saw a story about that 22 year old and his quest to disrupt vaccinations last week.  I'm not sure that something like that at a time like this is the right time to bring in Silicon Valley type tactics.  Anyone that's been in a startup knows that it's messy and prone to failure.  It's one thing when it's a website selling lollipops.  It's another when lives are at stake.

Wow...read that report.  Good grief, Charlie Brown! ???
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 30, 2021, 11:15:17 PM
Far right anti-vaccine protesters shutdown vaccinations at Dodger Stadium for a time today.  They described it as a “SCAMDEMIC PROTEST/MARCH."

https://globalnews.ca/news/7610411/coronavirus-vaccine-anti-us-dodger-stadium/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 31, 2021, 05:56:00 AM
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Wow...read that report.  Good grief, Charlie Brown! ???
i am beyond upset,
me & my mom had to sit my dad down & remind him not to go out- with the more contagious varieties floating about.
With Philly as an example I appreciate the places that are actually getting shots in arms.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 31, 2021, 11:32:56 AM
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Far right anti-vaccine protesters shutdown vaccinations at Dodger Stadium for a time today.  They described it as a “SCAMDEMIC PROTEST/MARCH."

https://globalnews.ca/news/7610411/coronavirus-vaccine-anti-us-dodger-stadium/

I totally do not understand them. What is their beef? They are not being forced by the government to get vaccinated, so why do they care if others get it?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 31, 2021, 12:05:50 PM
Not to be outdone, we have or own variant here in California.  CAL.20C has been found in 36% of the samples in Los Angeles.  Which could explain how California went from being one of the states that best contained covid to being the national hotspot so quickly.

Herd immunity from having covid or even from vaccinations could be challenged by the variants.  Manaus is a cautionary tale.  They achieved herd immunity at great cost after 75% of the city was infected.  Now P.1 is infecting people that already had and recovered from the previous strain.

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I totally do not understand them. What is their beef? They are not being forced by the government to get vaccinated, so why do they care if others get it?

They are trying to save us from the "covid hoax".
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on January 31, 2021, 12:39:21 PM
I think there will be more of these protests...argh. What a mess. This whole thing is so disconcerting.  Listening to "Cruisin'" by Smokey Robinson.  Gotta fly away!  :D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 31, 2021, 01:47:22 PM
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I think there will be more of these protests...argh. What a mess. This whole thing is so disconcerting.  Listening to "Cruisin'" by Smokey Robinson.  Gotta fly away!  :D
Yeah, especially if the law enforcement response is slow and mostly "meh." >:(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on February 01, 2021, 08:26:54 AM
Good news time:

https://twitter.com/andrewromano/status/1356253179583713280?s=21 (https://twitter.com/andrewromano/status/1356253179583713280?s=21)

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Far right anti-vaccine protesters shutdown vaccinations at Dodger Stadium for a time today.  They described it as a “SCAMDEMIC PROTEST/MARCH."

https://globalnews.ca/news/7610411/coronavirus-vaccine-anti-us-dodger-stadium/
https://twitter.com/LAPDChiefMoore/status/1355689579563499524?s=20
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 01, 2021, 09:44:31 AM
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Good news time:

https://twitter.com/andrewromano/status/1356253179583713280?s=21 (https://twitter.com/andrewromano/status/1356253179583713280?s=21)
 https://twitter.com/LAPDChiefMoore/status/1355689579563499524?s=20
This is awesome news, and a great reminder that similar to the flu, we're likely going to be living w/COVID for a loooooong time.  I think a lot of us (me included at times) think "once I get the vaccine this nonsense is behind us & we can get back to 'normal!'" when in reality I think we'll be living with a 'new normal' that is radically different from pre-2020: neither better or worse, per say, just 'different.'  Heck, as a band teacher I wonder how radically different my world will be in the 'new normal.'
I too often lately have been getting really depressed at the thought of COVID mutations weakening the effects of the vaccine when in fact said "weakening" is really (so far) likely a "will have the effects of a mild flu rather than potentially causing hospitalization or death" which is still an awesome vaccine, even if it's no infallible.

I tend to have a great immune system, and I've never gotten a flu shot because I've never felt like I've needed it before; I've been teaching long enough to have built up a pretty great immune system to most junk (in 20 years of attending Comic-Con I've only gotten mildly sick once, which only caused me to 'sleep in' a bit one morning).  I wonder if we'll see a COVID 'booster' rolled into/in addition to the flu vaccine annually in the future: once the majority are vaccinated & the dust is settled into the 'new normal' and whatnot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 01, 2021, 09:46:00 AM
BTW Petco appointment open RIGHT NOW for Feb. 1 for anyone with retired parents or whatnot who is doing nothing currently and can immediately pick-up and get to Petco for a vaccination appointment: https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/vax-schedule-appointment.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 01, 2021, 10:39:50 AM
After play whack a mole with appts all day yesterday, filled out the application only to be denied at the end.  I was finally able to book an appt today for grandma after I realized something.  They weren't denying an appt because the slot was taken, it was because she had an appt before she couldn't make due to being in the hospital.  We ended up canceling that appt but that doesn't seem to matter.  As long as you signed up for appt, you've used up your one chance.  Fat fingers solved that problem and now we leave in about 20 mins.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on February 01, 2021, 10:48:41 AM
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After play whack a mole with appts all day yesterday, filled out the application only to be denied at the end.  I was finally able to book an appt today for grandma after I realized something.  They weren't denying an appt because the slot was taken, it was because she had an appt before she couldn't make due to being in the hospital.  We ended up canceling that appt but that doesn't seem to matter.  As long as you signed up for appt, you've used up your one chance.  Fat fingers solved that problem and now we leave in about 20 mins.

Wow...one chance at an appointment?  Even if cancelling?  Yikes.  :o  I will be sure to pass this along...thank you!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 01, 2021, 11:15:50 AM
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After play whack a mole with appts all day yesterday, filled out the application only to be denied at the end.  I was finally able to book an appt today for grandma after I realized something.  They weren't denying an appt because the slot was taken, it was because she had an appt before she couldn't make due to being in the hospital.  We ended up canceling that appt but that doesn't seem to matter.  As long as you signed up for appt, you've used up your one chance.  Fat fingers solved that problem and now we leave in about 20 mins.
How were you able to circumvent/solve the problem?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 01, 2021, 01:00:52 PM
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How were you able to circumvent/solve the problem?

Pray tell. I would like to know this answer, too.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 01, 2021, 01:48:16 PM
FABULOUS news,

my 87 year old mom is finally getting her first shot in Philadelphia on Wed. it's at a drive through super inoculation sit.
Oddly my 81 year old dad has not been given an appointment yet. we think it's due to being in a lower age bracket. He is planing to ask if they'll give him a shot when he takes my mom in.

i am so happy i am crying

eta; apparently they are just handing out appointments. There is no pretense of choice about a time. LOL
my mom got the email on monday to show up on wednesday at a specific time--


etaa
massive number of appointments just opened up at petco & i think at other vac. sites
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on February 01, 2021, 02:28:10 PM
(Long time no see, I've been super distracted this year by health issues sigh)

I was tested in early December after being exposed to someone who tested positive at my treatment center (don't worry, it's not something like... super serious?) Everyone was wearing masks, but I had to test negative before returning to be safe before returning. I also happened to be visiting my neurovascular surgeon for the three-year check-in the next week and they wanted a negative test. LUCKILY, my mum works at one of the urgent care facilities within our general health system of our doctors etc. So, once I got the test ordered/signed up for a test appt. online, she just did the swab with one of the kits for me and took it into work to go out for results. Tested negative, yay!

I've been completely quarantined since mid-March when the first mandate went out and I've only left the house for doctors appointments and one quick stop by work. It's a good thing that I'm not someone bothered by constantly being stuck inside lol

I believe my dad is getting vaccinated shortly (he's in a higher risk category,) and my mum has already been vaccinated due to her work in healthcare.

I'm just waiting on my county (San Diego) to open vaccination appointments to people younger than 65 with underlying conditions for vaccination for myself. I believe I'm up in 2 phases. I'm hoping that once I get vaccinated, I respond better than I did to the pneumococcal vaccine that I got last year (believe me, I said, "Wait, isn't that usually only given to people over 65?? I'm in my 20s!") Though that reaction only lasted an afternoon and evening. Now that I think about it, I had a very bad reaction, years ago, to the HINI vaccination. That one lasted days though... #fingerscrossed

I've been happy seeing so many peoples' parents etc. getting their vaccinations/or at least the first dose! Of course, it has brought out the anti-vaxxers in force again and I'm just sighing constantly.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 01, 2021, 06:21:56 PM
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How were you able to circumvent/solve the problem?

As per their instructions now, you can use 000-00-0000 as your SSN.

Today's experience at Petco was different than it was 2 weeks ago.  It was a breeze two weeks ago.  We drove right in.  Today I understand why people complain.  It took over an hour to get on the parking lot.  I could have gotten in right away but I saw the line all the way up 13th so went to the back of that.  I don't cut in line.  So much so that I rather miss out then cut in line.  Unfortunately others don't feel the same and at every intersection down, people would cut in from the sides.  Sometimes two cars in a row.  They didn't even respect the 4 way stop and zipper in like they should.  Which some people let them do.  I didn't, when my turn came at the intersection.  The closer we got to the entrance, the worse it got and the last intersection was gridlocked with a lot of honking.  30 mins in I thought about getting out of line and going back to the sneaky side entrance.  I just couldn't do it.  I'm a stickler about lines.  IDK why they decided to hold it at Petco.  They can't control the traffic.  They just need a big parking lot.  Why not hold it at Qualcomm or even Sea World?  There's enough space there to orderly control traffic.

For the lack of a better word, it wasn't as upbeat at the site as 2 weeks ago.  It was kind of festive then.  It's kind of dreary now.  It's still very professional but the vibe is different.  Check in was different.  2 weeks ago all they wanted was an ID.  They asked basic health questions to make sure you didn't already have covid or have allergy issues.  This time no health questions at all.  They did want proof of residency in San Diego County.  The way they put it, it's for San Diego residents only.  The ID we had doesn't have an address.  It was an issue.  Make sure your ID has your address or bring proof of San Diego residency like a bill.  Unless I missed it, they don't tell you to bring proof of residency in the instructions.  It made check in a much longer process.  2 weeks ago it took under a minute, today it was a few.

The actual jab process was about the same.  They did have twice as many jabbers as 2 weeks ago which sped it up.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on February 02, 2021, 08:38:25 AM
At this point I would welcome a two hour drive through line.  In Alameda County Kaiser is still just booking appointments for Health Care Workers and haven't even begun on the 75 and over group.  The local news reported that Kaiser has said they have the capability of administering 200,000 vaccinations a week but to date have only received a total of 300,000 doses.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 02, 2021, 10:54:56 AM
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At this point I would welcome a two hour drive through line.  In Alameda County Kaiser is still just booking appointments for Health Care Workers and haven't even begun on the 75 and over group.  The local news reported that Kaiser has said they have the capability of administering 200,000 vaccinations a week but to date have only received a total of 300,000 doses.  >:( >:( >:(
Similar to San Diego County; Kaiser is _only_ still in the process of vaccinating their healthcare workers and have not moved to vaccinate anyone else.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 02, 2021, 12:00:23 PM
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(Long time no see, I've been super distracted this year by health issues sigh)

I was tested in early December after being exposed to someone who tested positive at my treatment center (don't worry, it's not something like... super serious?) Everyone was wearing masks, but I had to test negative before returning to be safe before returning. I also happened to be visiting my neurovascular surgeon for the three-year check-in the next week and they wanted a negative test. LUCKILY, my mum works at one of the urgent care facilities within our general health system of our doctors etc. So, once I got the test ordered/signed up for a test appt. online, she just did the swab with one of the kits for me and took it into work to go out for results. Tested negative, yay!

I've been completely quarantined since mid-March when the first mandate went out and I've only left the house for doctors appointments and one quick stop by work. It's a good thing that I'm not someone bothered by constantly being stuck inside lol

I believe my dad is getting vaccinated shortly (he's in a higher risk category,) and my mum has already been vaccinated due to her work in healthcare.

I'm just waiting on my county (San Diego) to open vaccination appointments to people younger than 65 with underlying conditions for vaccination for myself. I believe I'm up in 2 phases. I'm hoping that once I get vaccinated, I respond better than I did to the pneumococcal vaccine that I got last year (believe me, I said, "Wait, isn't that usually only given to people over 65?? I'm in my 20s!") Though that reaction only lasted an afternoon and evening. Now that I think about it, I had a very bad reaction, years ago, to the HINI vaccination. That one lasted days though... #fingerscrossed

I've been happy seeing so many peoples' parents etc. getting their vaccinations/or at least the first dose! Of course, it has brought out the anti-vaxxers in force again and I'm just sighing constantly.
thanks for checking in, we haven't seen u in a while ;)

my sister is autoimmune so in the 'under 50 with pre existing condition' category in her state.
honestly, i am skeptical about how they're going to address this. In CA they made an announcement a week or two ago about discontinuing 'profession' grouping for the vac. tier placement.  Profession placement is easier to identify then 'pre-existing condition' tier.

Maybe 'special tokens' from 'pre-existing condition' folks ? Who would administer said tokens? maybe like a handicap placard?

I can see folks with mild asthma claiming 'pre-existing condition' ....

imho and without a medical licence, it doesn't make sense the mild asthmatic should get priority over the seriously compromised folks. BUT even with that, how does a super site verify a preexisting condition?
I am **hoping** vaccines are given to those doctors offices so they can administer the shots to their patients with a preexisting condition. But that could still be a nightmare. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 02, 2021, 12:28:45 PM
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At this point I would welcome a two hour drive through line.  In Alameda County Kaiser is still just booking appointments for Health Care Workers and haven't even begun on the 75 and over group.  The local news reported that Kaiser has said they have the capability of administering 200,000 vaccinations a week but to date have only received a total of 300,000 doses.  >:( >:( >:(
i feel your pain. This is similar to what i've been watching in Philly which abdicated from the state system. Why? because it's Philly ...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 02, 2021, 08:20:29 PM
San Diego opened it's 4th super station today.  This time in La Mesa.  The 5th is already in the works for Del Mar.  That's in addition to all the county run vaccination sites as well as smaller privately run sites including one that rotates between various locations.  I have to say that San Diego seems to be on top of things.  Except for Petco, the only drive thru site, the sites tend to have a lot of open appts.  All the Sharp run sites have a bunch of open appts right now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 02, 2021, 08:30:00 PM
yes, it's surprising how open things are.
I wonder when they'll be moving to the next tier....  ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 02, 2021, 08:55:03 PM
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At this point I would welcome a two hour drive through line.  In Alameda County Kaiser is still just booking appointments for Health Care Workers and haven't even begun on the 75 and over group.  The local news reported that Kaiser has said they have the capability of administering 200,000 vaccinations a week but to date have only received a total of 300,000 doses.  >:( >:( >:(

I'm not sure this is entirely the case for Kaiser. Kaiser has been incredibly uninformative about the vaccine situation but I find that if you're diligent about trying to get an appointment and you're qualified, you might be able to get one. One of my friends who is a caregiver called up Kaiser (she lives in Alameda) on Friday with their regular appointment line and was able to get an appointment for this morning. When she arrived they didn't seem to check her paperwork, just wanted her ID and made sure she had a legit appointment. I recommend you or your family members try calling the regular appt line and see if they can get an appt that way too.

Second thing I would advise is, don't be stuck to your regular provider. I have Kaiser myself but I got the vaccine last month at a calvax-organized site (healthcare worker). The vaccine is free, they don't care which insurance company you have. I tried to contact Kaiser for an appt but they took forever to get back to me that I gave up on them and luckily found a calvax registration link through my work association. It seems like Kaiser has improved now after I told my friend to call up the regular line.

My parents were able to get vaccinated this week, both under 75, in Santa Clara county and Alameda county, through random hospitals. My mom was able to get an appt through Stanford which has hospitals in multiple Bay area counties including Alameda:

https://stanfordhealthcare.org/content/shc/en/discover/covid-19-resource-center/patient-care/safety-health-vaccine-planning.html

I believe you have to make MyHealth account with them to make an appt. I think she ended up getting a faster appt through a Santa Clara county website later. I have links for Santa Clara county if anyone wants them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 02, 2021, 10:49:31 PM
I was doing a random calvax search for someone and found this link for San Bernardino county residents. It states: "Registrations and appointments are currently available for residents 65+ and front-line health care workers under Phase 1A, Tier 1-3 who live and work within San Bernardino County." It has calvax links with the registration codes and links for various clinics and pharmacies in the county.

https://sbcovid19.com/vaccine/locations/

For Alameda County residents, I found this signup sheet through the alamedaca.gov website:

https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/44974350ffd14f288b03b029f2486ba8

With the form, it will take them a few days to contact you to schedule an appt.

Contra Costa county:

https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=3tkgKC3cY0OGJvKwA0OMRRd1QfIVjtpAkM-cYiio35ZUM0hIWVpaOTJHSDBTM0ZLSU5SNUM3NEo0OCQlQCN0PWcu

One of my co-workers used the Contra Costa county form and got the website link for signup in a few days too. His appt was made just a week after he got the link.

Santa Clara county signups: https://vax.sccgov.org/home

LA county: http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/ncorona2019/vaccine/hcwsignup/?utm_content=&utm_medium=email&utm_name=&utm_source=govdelivery&utm_term=
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 03, 2021, 12:46:37 AM
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Far right anti-vaccine protesters shutdown vaccinations at Dodger Stadium for a time today.  They described it as a “SCAMDEMIC PROTEST/MARCH."

https://globalnews.ca/news/7610411/coronavirus-vaccine-anti-us-dodger-stadium/

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I totally do not understand them. What is their beef? They are not being forced by the government to get vaccinated, so why do they care if others get it?

Far-right people believe in individual choice unless it goes against their agenda and narrative.  Basically, if our choices make them look bad, then they will get in your face and interfere with your right to choose.

They remind me of the Wolverines in "The Walking Dead."
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 03, 2021, 12:58:15 AM
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Far-right people believe in individual choice unless it goes against their agenda and narrative.  Basically, if our choices make them look bad, then they will get in your face and interfere with your right to choose.

They remind me of the Wolverines in "The Walking Dead."

But vaccines don't make them look bad. If they don't want it, more for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 03, 2021, 10:24:36 AM
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But vaccines don't make them look bad. If they don't want it, more for the rest of us.

But it does make them look bad.  Why would you need a vaccine for a hoax?  Accepting the vaccine will mean they will have to accept that they are wrong about covid being a fake pandemic devised only to bring down their president.  That goes to the core of their identity.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 03, 2021, 11:08:21 PM
For those in San Diego looking for drive thru, Petco is wide open for tomorrow 2/4/21.  There are open appts from 7am all the way through 7pm.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 04, 2021, 06:49:26 AM
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For those in San Diego looking for drive thru, Petco is wide open for tomorrow 2/4/21.  There are open appts from 7am all the way through 7pm.

and this is why i'm thinking SD is getting ready to move into another tier. We seem to have vaccines & folks to jab.

according to the local fox station, we have the capacity to inoculate 20,000 people a day but are only doing 10,000 due to shortage. However we are doing very well in comparison to other counties.
Newsome indicated a 'partnership' with the fed. gov.- i'm not sure if that means a more transparent vaccine delivery system but that was the implication.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on February 04, 2021, 07:22:19 AM
My dad got his at Petco yesterday! Made the appointment the afternoon before and went first thing in the morning. He said it was really smooth and took about an hour all together.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 04, 2021, 06:23:07 PM
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and this is why i'm thinking SD is getting ready to move into another tier. We seem to have vaccines & folks to jab.

Just like today, tomorrow is wide open at Petco right now.  From 7am-7pm the appts are open.  There's a disconnect between what's reported on the news and what the websites say.  Tonight on the local news they had a story about how hard it is for 65 and overs to get an appt.  But if you look at the booking website, it's wide open.  Not just at Petco but everywhere.

We can't move to another tier unless we want to go rogue.  The way it works is that the CDC gives the go ahead the the state gives the go ahead then the county can open up the next tier.  It's unclear what the next tier will be.  Among others, teachers should be next.  But the CDC director herself says that teachers don't necessarily need to be vaccinated to open schools.  There's also growing calls to skip to 20-45 next since they are the super spreaders.  That irks me since it's like a reward for being bad.  One group that has been disrespected are the Police.  The still haven't been vaccinated.  They should have been in the same tier as the firefighters.  But they weren't.  If anything, they have more exposure.  No matter who else gets the green light, it's time for the Police to get vaccinated.

Just like with 75 and over before it, the lack of demand by 65 and overs is not good.  The vaccination sites should be booked out for weeks.  It's not even been 2 weeks since that tier opened up and the county literally can't give away vaccination appts.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 04, 2021, 07:43:55 PM
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Just like today, tomorrow is wide open at Petco right now.  From 7am-7pm the appts are open.  There's a disconnect between what's reported on the news and what the websites say.  Tonight on the local news they had a story about how hard it is for 65 and overs to get an appt.  But if you look at the booking website, it's wide open.  Not just at Petco but everywhere.

We can't move to another tier unless we want to go rogue.  The way it works is that the CDC gives the go ahead the the state gives the go ahead then the county can open up the next tier.  It's unclear what the next tier will be.  Among others, teachers should be next.  But the CDC director herself says that teachers don't necessarily need to be vaccinated to open schools.  There's also growing calls to skip to 20-45 next since they are the super spreaders.  That irks me since it's like a reward for being bad.  One group that has been disrespected are the Police.  The still haven't been vaccinated.  They should have been in the same tier as the firefighters.  But they weren't.  If anything, they have more exposure.  No matter who else gets the green light, it's time for the Police to get vaccinated.

Just like with 75 and over before it, the lack of demand by 65 and overs is not good.  The vaccination sites should be booked out for weeks.  It's not even been 2 weeks since that tier opened up and the county literally can't give away vaccination appts.

Riverside County decided they wanted to do 85 and up only. They have just lowered the bar to 80 and up. There are tons of slots open if you have family here. I'm guessing they must be going solely by age now, though if you go through one of the partner sites, you can get it if you are 1a-1bt2.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 05, 2021, 06:08:31 AM
Sorry for the late post, Mom got her first dose last week, she'll get her second at the end of this month.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on February 05, 2021, 08:11:10 AM
Even though Mother Nature wasn't cooperating, I was able to make it through the snow to the Mall this morning for my second dose. :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 05, 2021, 10:31:16 AM
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Even though Mother Nature wasn't cooperating, I was able to make it through the snow to the Mall this morning for my second dose. :)
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Sorry for the late post, Mom got her first dose last week, she'll get her second at the end of this month.

Yea to both!!
SteveD can you keep us updated on if you get side-effects?  I've heard from friends experiences that run the gamut from "nothing other than mild soreness on the arm" to "symptoms that were literally worse than when I actually had COVID-19."  I've heard the 2nd dose is the one for side-effects, and I'm curious to hear if the negatives are more the norm or anomalies. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on February 05, 2021, 10:37:03 AM
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SteveD can you keep us updated on if you get side-effects?  I've heard from friends experiences that run the gamut from "nothing other than mild soreness on the arm" to "symptoms that were literally worse than when I actually had COVID-19."  I've heard the 2nd dose is the one for side-effects, and I'm curious to hear if the negatives are more the norm or anomalies.

I was just going to ask about side effects, also. Would it be possible/appropriate for someone more adept than I to create poll questions about side effects? Realizing of course that this is far from scientific...more anecdotal?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on February 05, 2021, 10:52:28 AM
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Riverside County decided they wanted to do 85 and up only. They have just lowered the bar to 80 and up. There are tons of slots open if you have family here. I'm guessing they must be going solely by age now, though if you go through one of the partner sites, you can get it if you are 1a-1bt2.
65+ and approved essential workers can still make appointments, but they need to call the Riverside County Office on Aging. 951-867-3895

Though that may change as Riverside County is somewhat of a confused mess.  :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 05, 2021, 10:58:54 AM
Petco is wide open right now.  No waiting.  It's a shame that appts are expiring unused.  I hope they are vaccinating the people that wait outside everyday hoping to get leftover doses.  We should have waited a couple of days instead of going on Monday.  I think the only reason it was so busy on Monday was that there we backed up from the storm.  They were closed for a couple of days and thus were working off the delayed appts.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 05, 2021, 06:42:13 PM
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I was just going to ask about side effects, also. Would it be possible/appropriate for someone more adept than I to create poll questions about side effects? Realizing of course that this is far from scientific...more anecdotal?

I have several colleagues and my parents and myself have had the first dose so far. Everyone except for me had zero side effects except for the sore arm part. I had a strange dizziness a few minutes after I got the jab but I think I'm more sensitive than others. I had a mild headache the rest of the night but was completely fine the next day minus the sore arm which lasted 2 days. I keep hearing the second dose is a lot more intense. Basically it sounds like people should take at least one day off after they get the second dose because it sounds like most will experience flu-like symptoms at the minimum.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 06, 2021, 08:43:50 AM
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65+ and approved essential workers can still make appointments, but they need to call the Riverside County Office on Aging. 951-867-3895

Though that may change as Riverside County is somewhat of a confused mess.  :(

Thanks for the info. The site is down to age 75 and up now. Lots of slots open. I'm guessing they will go down to 70 and up soon. My husband said that he knows people who were in other qualified groups that scheduled by phone, so you're right, but the site itself appears to be age-based.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on February 06, 2021, 08:57:40 AM
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Yea to both!!
SteveD can you keep us updated on if you get side-effects?  I've heard from friends experiences that run the gamut from "nothing other than mild soreness on the arm" to "symptoms that were literally worse than when I actually had COVID-19."  I've heard the 2nd dose is the one for side-effects, and I'm curious to hear if the negatives are more the norm or anomalies.
24 Hours later and I have some pain in my arm at the injection site. No other noticeable symptoms that can be distinguished from the normal aches and pains of old age. ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 06, 2021, 09:31:58 AM
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Petco is wide open right now.  No waiting.  It's a shame that appts are expiring unused.  I hope they are vaccinating the people that wait outside everyday hoping to get leftover doses.  We should have waited a couple of days instead of going on Monday.  I think the only reason it was so busy on Monday was that there we backed up from the storm.  They were closed for a couple of days and thus were working off the delayed appts.
I dived into the recent announcement by Newsom regarding moving to age based tiers.. this is all i was able to find

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/california-vaccination-distribution/509-c828dd37-c25c-4c83-824b-afb00f989452

one of the things i saw alluded to was not allowing counties to progress through the tiers until **all** Counties were at that point. so, Even if SD does make it to the next tier, we will not recieve more vaccine until all counties are ready to move to a lower tier.
iow, we're well run counties are at the mercy of poorly run counties..
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 06, 2021, 10:15:12 AM
There is a loophole the county can use to vaccinate pretty much anyone.  Sites are allowed to vaccinate anyone with leftover doses instead of letting them go to waste.  Unfreeze doses and if appts go unfilled, start working their way through the vaccine hunter line.  Of course this all could go wrong and doses could be wasted.

There is definitely a disconnect with vaccine demand.  There are reports of people not being able to get appts and long lines to get vaccinated.  Leading to the conclusion that demand outpaces supply.  Then there are places like San Diego where many appts go unused.  In some places in the country there is so little demand that they are trying financial incentives to get people vaccinated.  Kroger is offering it's employees a $100 if they get vaccinated.  They are literally paying people to vaccinate.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 07, 2021, 09:37:40 AM
The age-based thing is moving rapidly. It's down to 70+ now in Riverside County. It seems to go down every few days. Lots of openings right now. And yes, if you are 65+ or in any categories down to phase 1B tier 2, you can get an appointment by calling.

I'm thinking when it falls to 60+, things will start to get crazy, as we've been in the 65+ range for awhile now. However, the new vaccines coming out should help.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 08, 2021, 01:40:45 AM
Found another new website source that is scheduling people in the qualified phases/tiers for vaccines in SF Bay Area, LA and San Diego counties:

https://myturn.ca.gov/

For the Bay Area appointments, it looks like there's plenty of slots available this week at the Moscone center in SF. I believe our local newspaper stated they will open a new mass-vaccination site at the Oakland Coliseum starting next week.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on February 08, 2021, 08:48:54 AM
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Found another new website source that is scheduling people in the qualified phases/tiers for vaccines in SF Bay Area, LA and San Diego counties:

https://myturn.ca.gov/

For the Bay Area appointments, it looks like there's plenty of slots available this week at the Moscone center in SF. I believe our local newspaper stated they will open a new mass-vaccination site at the Oakland Coliseum starting next week.



Thanks for the info!  Just got my appointments at Moscone Center for 1st and 2nd doses made!
1st dose is this Thursday. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 08, 2021, 08:54:21 AM
i may or may not have alerts set up for the SD county Tier & vac. sites.

#egerly awaiting a drop to the age group of 50+  :D ::)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 08, 2021, 09:30:57 AM
San Diego started an initiative to vaccinate home bound people today.  Call 211 to get on the waiting list and they'll call you when they can come by.

In vaccine news, a small study with the Oxford vaccine only demonstrated 10% effectiveness with the SA variant in mild to moderate cases.  So basically ineffective.  SA has suspended use of the Oxford vaccine for now.  Oxford says they are working on a SA version of the vaccine.  I expect all the vaccines will have the same problem since they track so well in all other ways.  This could be why Moderna was so proactive in creating a "booster dose" that's tailored to the SA variant.  BioNTech is now as well.

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Found another new website source that is scheduling people in the qualified phases/tiers for vaccines in SF Bay Area, LA and San Diego counties:

https://myturn.ca.gov/

For the Bay Area appointments, it looks like there's plenty of slots available this week at the Moscone center in SF. I believe our local newspaper stated they will open a new mass-vaccination site at the Oakland Coliseum starting next week.

That's the website that San Diego government run sites have been using for a few weeks.  We were the pilot program.  Note that, in San Diego at least, it's only for government run sites.  The privately run sites use their own systems.  In San Diego the privately run sites vaccinate far more people than the government sites.  So make sure to check those as well.  In San Diego the county website combines availability for both public and private sites.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 08, 2021, 07:25:31 PM
There's another website that I found that seems to list vaccination sites:

https://www.vaccinateca.com/

It seems to have listings of different local sites in each CA county and the links on how to sign up for each site.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 10, 2021, 04:15:23 PM
San Diego is opening another super site and the second drive thru site this Friday. It's going to be at the Del Mar fairgrounds.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 11, 2021, 08:49:16 AM
the  OC Register is reporting the OC county can vaccinate teachers like LongBeach is doing. However they don't have enough vaccine & still have a backlog of 65+ to get through.

https://www.ocregister.com/2021/02/09/oc-wont-start-vaccinating-teachers-food-workers-for-at-least-two-weeks/?campaign_id=49&emc=edit_ca_20210211&instance_id=27005&nl=california-today&regi_id=60842021&segment_id=51449&te=1&user_id=c40ed9b7ec900fc9ad829ac7adc4908e

The above implies counties can move at their own pace depending on vaccine supply.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 11, 2021, 09:32:36 AM
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the  OC Register is reporting the OC county can vaccinate teachers like LongBeach is doing. However they don't have enough vaccine & still have a backlog of 65+ to get through.

https://www.ocregister.com/2021/02/09/oc-wont-start-vaccinating-teachers-food-workers-for-at-least-two-weeks/?campaign_id=49&emc=edit_ca_20210211&instance_id=27005&nl=california-today&regi_id=60842021&segment_id=51449&te=1&user_id=c40ed9b7ec900fc9ad829ac7adc4908e

The above implies counties can move at their own pace depending on vaccine supply.

Riverside has been doing teachers for a long while already, ever since the state opened it up to 65+. My daughter's teachers and some of my husband's friends have been vaccinated. Riverside basically goes with the state recommendations, it seems. They don't hold back like other counties.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on February 11, 2021, 12:26:14 PM
Got my 1st dose at Moscone Center this morning.
It felt like I should have had my old Wondercon badge on :D
Well organized, I was in and out in 30 minutes, including the required 15 minute wait
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 11, 2021, 09:20:57 PM
I watched the sd county press conference today.
the most interesting point imho was the assertion that SD county would likely be moving into the next level within the next 2 or 3 weeks.
Teachers, food workers & police

I also received a response back from the volunteer dept at petco asking for permission to do a background check.
I filled out the form -we'll see

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 12, 2021, 10:40:03 AM
There were a couple of developments last weekend.  First, Fauci now says that everyone who wants one can get vaccinated by April.  Second, the CDC released a study showing that proper mask wearing is 96% effective if all parties involved do it.  It's 83% effective if only you do it.  96% is more effective than any vaccine and so far no variant has been able to defeat masks.  So the CDC has done a 180 on this.  They've gone from no need to wear masks, to wearing masks is the most effective thing to do.  Add a face shield to that and you should be well covered.  A previous study showed that a face shield is also 96% effective.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 12, 2021, 10:58:41 AM
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There were a couple of developments last weekend.  First, Fauci now says that everyone who wants one can get vaccinated by April.  Second, the CDC released a study showing that proper mask wearing is 96% effective if all parties involved do it.  It's 83% effective if only you do it.  96% is more effective than any vaccine and so far no variant has been able to defeat masks.  So the CDC has done a 180 on this.  They've gone from no need to wear masks, to wearing masks is the most effective thing to do.  Add a face shield to that and you should be well covered.  A previous study showed that a face shield is also 96% effective.
Add confirmation that Biden did indeed secure 200 million more vaccine doses to the mix (which would cover an additional 100 million of total vaccination).  It's nice to have a functional, competent Executive Branch of US Fed. Gov. again
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 12, 2021, 06:19:56 PM
San Diego is short a shipment of vaccine so Petco will be closed Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.  The 12,000 cancelled appts will be rescheduled.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 12, 2021, 09:20:08 PM
I had my 2nd dose a couple of days ago. It took about 8-9 hours for the mild symptoms to start (headache and body aches) and 1-2 hours after that for the more moderate to severe symptoms to kick in. I had the flu-like symptoms as previously reported. I had a real fever and major chills. I must not have had a more severe flu in awhile because the chills I experienced seemed worse than I remembered. My hands were so cold that I wished I had some gloves even under covers. No sore throat thankfully. I could not sleep well that night, I kept waking up every hour. After the more moderate to severe symptoms started to go away, I was able to sleep better. I would say the moderate to severe symptoms lasted about 12-14 hours and what was left was a mild headache and body aches that lasted for another 4-6 hours and then it was gone. Whew. I definitely recommend taking at least a day off once you get your 2nd shot. I know of people who worked the next day and had to leave early because it was that bad.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 13, 2021, 08:36:27 AM
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I had my 2nd dose a couple of days ago. It took about 8-9 hours for the mild symptoms to start (headache and body aches) and 1-2 hours after that for the more moderate to severe symptoms to kick in. I had the flu-like symptoms as previously reported. I had a real fever and major chills. I must not have had a more severe flu in awhile because the chills I experienced seemed worse than I remembered. My hands were so cold that I wished I had some gloves even under covers. No sore throat thankfully. I could not sleep well that night, I kept waking up every hour. After the more moderate to severe symptoms started to go away, I was able to sleep better. I would say the moderate to severe symptoms lasted about 12-14 hours and what was left was a mild headache and body aches that lasted for another 4-6 hours and then it was gone. Whew. I definitely recommend taking at least a day off once you get your 2nd shot. I know of people who worked the next day and had to leave early because it was that bad.
Thanks for the update!  It's going to be interesting when schools already opened start giving vaccines to teachers already teaching: they're gonna need a glut of subs, it sounds like (even more so than they already need).
I know someone who works in a hospital and when it came time for the 2nd dose they administered it when the shift was done & the employee had the next couple of days off, so they wouldn't miss work or anything while dealing with the symptoms (I also know someone different who got the vaccine after having COVID in the summer or fall, and they said the vaccine side effects were worse than when they had COVID)!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 13, 2021, 10:18:11 AM
@Iris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1256), California will open vaccinations up to 16-64 with underlying conditions on March 15th.

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I know someone who works in a hospital and when it came time for the 2nd dose they administered it when the shift was done & the employee had the next couple of days off, so they wouldn't miss work or anything while dealing with the symptoms (I also know someone different who got the vaccine after having COVID in the summer or fall, and they said the vaccine side effects were worse than when they had COVID)!

It's a marketing problem with vaccines.  They shouldn't be called side effects, they should be called simply effects or proof effects.  Since those symptoms are proof that the vaccine is working.  That your body is having an immune response.  It's a good thing.  As studies have shown with people that caught covid naturally, many of those that were asymptomatic have lower immunity to covid.  Those that got more serious illness have more.  So you want those symptoms, that's a sign that your immune system is mounting a protective response.  That's why those effects generally happen with the second dose.  The first dose primed, got your immune system ready, for that second dose where it then expresses a more vigorous response.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 13, 2021, 11:13:08 AM
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@Iris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1256), California will open vaccinations up to 16-64 with underlying conditions on March 15th.


anyone have any theory's/ideas how this may work?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 13, 2021, 11:51:46 AM
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San Diego is short a shipment of vaccine so Petco will be closed Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.  The 12,000 cancelled appts will be rescheduled.

Ugh my dad's 2nd dose is this Friday 2/18.  Hopefully they'll be back on track by then.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 13, 2021, 02:11:50 PM
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@Iris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1256), California will open vaccinations up to 16-64 with underlying conditions on March 15th.


I can't wait.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on February 13, 2021, 02:19:12 PM
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@Iris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1256), California will open vaccinations up to 16-64 with underlying conditions on March 15th.

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Oh great! Thanks for letting me know! I'll keep an eye on it now.

I have a feeling my UCSD MyChart will ping me when it's time for me to be vaccinated too unless they haven't added it into the system yet.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on February 13, 2021, 02:40:44 PM
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anyone have any theory's/ideas how this may work?


This is what I want to know, none of the organizations know my health history.  Do we need forms filled out, if so they should tell us now so we can make appointments with providers.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 13, 2021, 03:19:37 PM
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This is what I want to know, none of the organizations know my health history.  Do we need forms filled out, if so they should tell us now so we can make appointments with providers.

I have no idea but offhand I can think of a couple of ways.

It would not be hard for a vaccination site to be able to look up your health history.  If you have an acct at mychart with UCSD, you'll see there is health history there.

A simple way for them to do it is to have your PCP write a prescription like they do for a lot of vaccinations.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on February 13, 2021, 03:45:45 PM
Could be handled different ways. I think using MyChart should work the best.
In New Jersey, they used the honor system for all eligible chronic conditions.
New York is starting up next week vaccinating persons any age with an eligible chronic condition along as they have a doctor's note.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 14, 2021, 08:03:38 AM
update, my 81 year old dad will get his first shot on Monday

I am so relieved. My dad has been grumping around calling us 'jailers' (in an affectionate way) for placing him in 'house arrest' until he got his shots.
He loves to just get out and about to nitch coffee shops.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 14, 2021, 08:54:25 AM
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I have no idea but offhand I can think of a couple of ways.

It would not be hard for a vaccination site to be able to look up your health history.  If you have an acct at mychart with UCSD, you'll see there is health history there.

A simple way for them to do it is to have your PCP write a prescription like they do for a lot of vaccinations.
I reached out to my pcp today
fingers crossed
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: ocwankenobi on February 14, 2021, 11:44:44 AM
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Oh great! Thanks for letting me know! I'll keep an eye on it now.

I have a feeling my UCSD MyChart will ping me when it's time for me to be vaccinated too unless they haven't added it into the system yet.

I hope they do.  But my medical opinion is assume nothing.  You will likely need a letter from a PCP or friend in the medical field to be given clearance.  And this should definitely be done by telehealth if possible.  Or if the office plays nice just a letter request if you are an established patient.  I have had to write over 50 of these since January and I don't have the heart to charge for them more than the five dollar form filling out fee.  My personal and professional pet peeve is when offices make you come in and charge you a copay and insurance to be seen just for a letter and they don't need or do an exam.   
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on February 14, 2021, 12:38:29 PM
The thing about Mychart is that works if you see a doctor there, I don't have doctors anywhere that uses my chart.  So that alienates those of us that go to private care and not a large health organization.

I am fine if it's just a doctor's note or a prescription but they need to tell us so we can be ready when it opens for us.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 14, 2021, 01:44:41 PM
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The thing about Mychart is that works if you see a doctor there, I don't have doctors anywhere that uses my chart.  So that alienates those of us that go to private care and not a large health organization.

I am fine if it's just a doctor's note or a prescription but they need to tell us so we can be ready when it opens for us.

I highly doubt they are going to make it that hard. My guess is either you're in the system, it's an honor system, or you have to get a prescription.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 14, 2021, 02:06:49 PM
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I highly doubt they are going to make it that hard. My guess is either you're in the system, it's an honor system, or you have to get a prescription.
Seriously.  The District I work in sent out form letters to to front office school receptionists, bus drivers, and a slew of other non-teaching staff members as "medical professionals" so they can get vaccinated with the Tier 1 first-phase medical folks (they waited a month or so for actual hospital employees presumably were able to get it first).  But I literally know bus drivers who were able to get vaccinations before actual healthcare workers with a note from an upper level district administrator.

So yeah: undoubtedly it will be relatively easy for high risk folks to be able to get a vaccine with minimal documentation.  Also, kind of oddly, I saw smokers were on the list of 'high risk' people (but not, kind of oddly, people with asthma) so I wonder if all the CA potheads will be able to get vaccinated at that level  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 14, 2021, 02:15:10 PM
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Seriously.  The District I work in sent out form letters to to front office school receptionists, bus drivers, and a slew of other non-teaching staff members as "medical professionals" so they can get vaccinated with the Tier 1 first-phase medical folks (they waited a month or so for actual hospital employees presumably were able to get it first).  But I literally know bus drivers who were able to get vaccinations before actual healthcare workers with a note from an upper level district administrator.


That's just wrong. Considering they are not even a health care facility, how did they get away with that? Did they have to fake the letterhead, too?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: ocwankenobi on February 14, 2021, 02:29:29 PM
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That's just wrong. Considering they are not even a health care facility, how did they get away with that? Did they have to fake the letterhead, too?

Depending on how aggressive (but legit) you want to be.  My friend took her parents to get the vaccine and it was one of the last appointments for that day.  But they have to use what is left because of shelf life.  So she got the vaccine too as well as some others who were there on "stand by."  Not unlike those vaccines that were stuck on a snow highway and they just started to vaccinate anyone in a car because it was expiring. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 14, 2021, 03:52:51 PM
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Depending on how aggressive (but legit) you want to be.  My friend took her parents to get the vaccine and it was one of the last appointments for that day.  But they have to use what is left because of shelf life.  So she got the vaccine too as well as some others who were there on "stand by."  Not unlike those vaccines that were stuck on a snow highway and they just started to vaccinate anyone in a car because it was expiring.

That's different. I don't mind people trying to get it through that route.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 14, 2021, 06:12:07 PM
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Thanks for the update!  It's going to be interesting when schools already opened start giving vaccines to teachers already teaching: they're gonna need a glut of subs, it sounds like (even more so than they already need).
I know someone who works in a hospital and when it came time for the 2nd dose they administered it when the shift was done & the employee had the next couple of days off, so they wouldn't miss work or anything while dealing with the symptoms (I also know someone different who got the vaccine after having COVID in the summer or fall, and they said the vaccine side effects were worse than when they had COVID)!

Yes it's fascinating how Covid's severity can vary so much. As bad as those symptoms were from that second dose, I was still very thankful that those symptoms didn't come from a covid infection. At least with the vaccine-created symptoms, you know it would be over soon. With covid, you don't know if it's going to stay mild or get much much worse. I am a bit fearful though when we will inevitably have to get a 3rd dose in 6-12 months. I wonder if the vaccine symptoms will last more than those 24 hours I experienced.

I fully agree that teachers deserve to be in phase 1, they should be allowed to be vaccinated right now. If parents and government officials want schools to open, they need to prioritize the safety of teachers first.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 14, 2021, 06:30:02 PM
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Seriously.  The District I work in sent out form letters to to front office school receptionists, bus drivers, and a slew of other non-teaching staff members as "medical professionals" so they can get vaccinated with the Tier 1 first-phase medical folks (they waited a month or so for actual hospital employees presumably were able to get it first).  But I literally know bus drivers who were able to get vaccinations before actual healthcare workers with a note from an upper level district administrator.

So yeah: undoubtedly it will be relatively easy for high risk folks to be able to get a vaccine with minimal documentation.  Also, kind of oddly, I saw smokers were on the list of 'high risk' people (but not, kind of oddly, people with asthma) so I wonder if all the CA potheads will be able to get vaccinated at that level  :P

Wow that's messed up to forge credentials like this. But I have to say, each vaccination site had different criteria or restrictions on how they allowed in the people to be vaccinated. At my vaccination site that was run by Calvax specifically for health care workers, they required people to show copies of their license or employee badges. I'm not sure if a mere letter would be enough. For another colleague at a different site, they just made sure you had a scheduled appointment and they didn't check her credentials. But for a friend who is a caregiver, all she needed to show was a letter from a licensed employer that she is a caregiver.

As for proof of pre-existing health conditions, it's not going to be quite easy because of potential HIPAA violations. I'm not sure if these vaccination organizations are allowed to ask for health information like that. What they may have to do is tell people with pre-existing conditions to get a doctor's note from their primary care doctor that they have a pre-existing condition (but not what the condition is) so they'd be allowed in the next tier for vaccinations. Or they might just force these people to go through their hospital care systems and get vaccinated at their sites and not off-site.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on February 14, 2021, 10:08:22 PM
I'm lucky, in terms of MyChart, is currently my home medical system is UCSD Health, so all my doctors are on MyChart except my psychiatrist (who is private) and my surgery team up at Stanford. However, Stanford and UCSD are on Epic's system so my doctors from both sides are able to see my health history.

I've been getting emails from UCSD Health re: what phase they're vaccinating etc.

Like omraged9 said, I have a feeling it's going to be addressed like with disabilities, in which you can't ask the nature of the disability or for any particulars. If they ask for proof, and don't just go on the honor system, it'll probably be a doctor's note/prescription saying that the person in question qualifies with a pre-existing condition.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 14, 2021, 11:27:46 PM
For people in San Diego that get sick, we now have a regional antibody treatment facility.  It's at the old Palomar Hospital up in Escondido.  A doctor referral is required and the criteria are based on age and symptoms.

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As for proof of pre-existing health conditions, it's not going to be quite easy because of potential HIPAA violations. I'm not sure if these vaccination organizations are allowed to ask for health information like that. What they may have to do is tell people with pre-existing conditions to get a doctor's note from their primary care doctor that they have a pre-existing condition (but not what the condition is) so they'd be allowed in the next tier for vaccinations. Or they might just force these people to go through their hospital care systems and get vaccinated at their sites and not off-site.

Why do you think it would be a potential HIPAA violation?  HIPAA works off consent.  So part of the registration process would be giving consent like at a doctor, lab or imaging service.  I glance over it since I assume it's there, but I'm pretty sure I have to agree to HIPAA terms when I get my flu shot every year.

The government and their partners are allowed to access some PHI without consent.  Especially during a health crisis.  Testing and vaccination sites have been given extra latitude during covid.  Although they are still encouraged to operate as if HIPAA was fully in effect.  Which shouldn't be a problem.  It's not like they are making any of that information public.  Which is the point of HIPAA.  To keep PHI private.
 
In San Diego, the big vaccination sites are run by the county's big hospital/health care operators.  I think that's true in most places.

Having said that, the easiest thing for them to do is to require a doctor referral.  That way, the vaccination sites don't need to deal with it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 15, 2021, 08:22:14 AM
An update from the state next door (AZ): 
Maricopa County opened appointments to age 65+ starting today, and Arizona has requested an additional allotment of 300k vaccines for out of state winter visitors here from other states.  My in-laws are in Florida for 6 weeks (from Ohio) and initially FL was allowing out of state people to get vaccinated but now are limiting to in state people, but AZ is vaccinating everyone.   
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on February 15, 2021, 08:57:53 AM
In Florida, National Guard troops have been called in to help with vaccinations as jabbers.  I am a bit wary of this as they are not medical personnel.  For those who have been vaccinated or have been with someone who received one-- have they been administered by medical personnel?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 15, 2021, 10:06:23 AM
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In Florida, National Guard troops have been called in to help with vaccinations as jabbers.  I am a bit wary of this as they are not medical personnel.  For those who have been vaccinated or have been with someone who received one-- have they been administered by medical personnel?

The National Guard has been active in testing and vaccination sites all around the country.  That doesn't mean they are all jabbers.  There are a lot of supports jobs to enable the jabbers.  There's no reason a nurse or doctor has to do the checkin for example.  Which was the case both times I was at Petco.  Here in San Diego, firefighters do some of the jabbing.  They run the popup clinic.  There are a lot of people qualified to jab.

In an another example of how to take covid seriously, NZ has fully locked down Auckland and semi-locked down the rest of the country due to an outbreak in Auckland.  The outbreak is 3 people all in the same family.  In the US, 3 cases is less than noise in the torrent of cases we have here.  But that's how the countries that have controlled covid have done it.  It's not rocket science.  Whenever there are any cases at all, they act quickly and most importantly the population cooperates.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on February 15, 2021, 10:35:41 AM
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There are a lot of people qualified to jab.

Yes...Qualified to jab is the vital key.  Paperwork, line-control, etc is fine for those not qualified to perform the direct service...of course. 

Another thing-- At some of the larger centers, the restrooms have been closed to those being served.  Older people are in line for quite some time in many cases, with no restrooms available?  That is crappy service and we are trying to get that changed.  It is not that here are no restrooms on site---they have been shuttered.  Yes, I understand the hesitancy...yada, yada...but really?!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 16, 2021, 06:47:39 PM
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Ugh my dad's 2nd dose is this Friday 2/18.  Hopefully they'll be back on track by then.

The Moderna shipment arrived today.  So Petco will be back open tomorrow.

In other vaccine news, Fauci is back to saying that the vaccine will be widely available to anyone in May or June.  He moved it to April last week.  Biden says it will be at the end of July.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 16, 2021, 07:09:38 PM
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For people in San Diego that get sick, we now have a regional antibody treatment facility.  It's at the old Palomar Hospital up in Escondido.  A doctor referral is required and the criteria are based on age and symptoms.

Why do you think it would be a potential HIPAA violation?  HIPAA works off consent.  So part of the registration process would be giving consent like at a doctor, lab or imaging service.  I glance over it since I assume it's there, but I'm pretty sure I have to agree to HIPAA terms when I get my flu shot every year.

The government and their partners are allowed to access some PHI without consent.  Especially during a health crisis.  Testing and vaccination sites have been given extra latitude during covid.  Although they are still encouraged to operate as if HIPAA was fully in effect.  Which shouldn't be a problem.  It's not like they are making any of that information public.  Which is the point of HIPAA.  To keep PHI private.
 
In San Diego, the big vaccination sites are run by the county's big hospital/health care operators.  I think that's true in most places.

Having said that, the easiest thing for them to do is to require a doctor referral.  That way, the vaccination sites don't need to deal with it.

The HIPAA violation would be informing non-authorized people the medical history of the individual who needs to be vaccinated. Yes, theoretically the individuals with pre-existing conditions can sign a waiver for it but it's just not necessary. Not everyone with a pre-existing condition should have to reveal what their medical condition is to be a candidate. The people who look at these qualifications at the vaccination sites are also not doctors so they shouldn't be the ones making the decision on whether someone is medically qualified for the vaccination or not. Yes during flu shots you are asked certain medical history questions like allergies to medications but again, it's not the same as revealing your complete medical history to get the flu shot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 16, 2021, 07:35:08 PM
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The HIPAA violation would be informing non-authorized people the medical history of the individual who needs to be vaccinated. Yes, theoretically the individuals with pre-existing conditions can sign a waiver for it but it's just not necessary. Not everyone with a pre-existing condition should have to reveal what their medical condition is to be a candidate. The people who look at these qualifications at the vaccination sites are also not doctors so they shouldn't be the ones making the decision on whether someone is medically qualified for the vaccination or not. Yes during flu shots you are asked certain medical history questions like allergies to medications but again, it's not the same as revealing your complete medical history to get the flu shot.

By working at an HIPAA covered entity, then those people are authorized.  As part of employment, paid or volunteer, they should have to agree to be bound by HIPAA if they have access to any PHI.  Many facilities will require everyone, even those who don't and never will have access to any PHI, to sign that they agree to be bound by the HIPAA privacy rules.  The same as at any health care facility like a doctor's office or a hospital.

When I said I had to agree to HIPAA when getting a flu shot, I didn't mean by providing my medical history to them.  Anyone can ask for anyone's health history.  I meant I had to acknowledge that they are allowed to share my health history with other people involved in my care just like with any health provider.  Be that my PCP, the insurance company or the government.  Signing that acknowledgement/waiver is standard practice in health care.

The check in people should not be the ones making the call, it should be part of the registration process.  The check in people should only know if someone is a go or no go.  By the way, those check in people are also bound by HIPAA if that facility is a covered entity.  Since the mere fact that someone is getting a vaccination alone is PHI.  So if the concern is about potential HIPAA violations, then that concern has always been there regardless if the facility is a vaccination site, doctor's office, hospital or pharmacy.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 18, 2021, 10:54:11 AM
If anyone sees an update about Petco please let me know.  My dad is scheduled for his 2nd dose tomorrow, 2/19.  I've looked online for info but everything I find is a couple days old.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 18, 2021, 11:41:59 AM
@TardisMom (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=842), we were at Petco yesterday.  Everything is up and running.  It's all good.

This time, the experience was back to the breeze it was the first time.  It only took a couple of minutes of waiting to be able to get into the lot.  The check in people asked the basic health questions again.  They didn't require proof of San Diego residency like last time.  This time we got put into the park and the jabber will come to you lot instead of the chutes.  It's must faster since you leave when your 15 min wait is up instead of waiting for everyone else in your chute.  The jabber this time was a firefighter.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 18, 2021, 12:48:18 PM
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Wow that's messed up to forge credentials like this. But I have to say, each vaccination site had different criteria or restrictions on how they allowed in the people to be vaccinated. At my vaccination site that was run by Calvax specifically for health care workers, they required people to show copies of their license or employee badges. I'm not sure if a mere letter would be enough. For another colleague at a different site, they just made sure you had a scheduled appointment and they didn't check her credentials. But for a friend who is a caregiver, all she needed to show was a letter from a licensed employer that she is a caregiver.
I wouldn't say the credentials were forged, per say.  Bus Drivers deal with a bus full of children and are the sole caretaker for the kids' journey from 'home' to school: if a medical emergency arises the drivers have to do what they have to do.  In CA School Bus Drivers are required, by legal statute, to pass a CHP first aid exam or take an American Red Cross or EMSA-approved training course.  In our district many students riding a bus are special needs, and those are the students who are currently attending K-12 school in-person.
I mainly only brought that situation merely to point out that there is no arduous 'healthcare employee' check being done for current vaccinations so I doubt there will be an arduous medical history check for the next phase.  I've heard stories of plenty of people getting vaccinations not in the current tier for one reason or another (some I know personally literally were able to get vaccinated because the person administering didn't care and never checked credentials; similarly some people who may have gotten a vaccine in a situation like they were accompanying their elder parents whom they live with were shown a hard "no" due to current regulations).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: ocwankenobi on February 18, 2021, 04:18:12 PM
My understanding is Disneyland is closed until next week.  I think the weather impeded vaccine delivery. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 18, 2021, 04:51:54 PM
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@TardisMom (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=842), we were at Petco yesterday.  Everything is up and running.  It's all good.

Unfortunately my dad's appointment tomorrow has been postponed.  He got a text and an email this afternoon.  They will reschedule it for him so that's good.  Here's the text of the letter:

Dear Patient,
 
The County of San Diego has announced that the Petco Park Vaccination Super Station will be closed February 19 and 20 (Friday and Saturday) because of the delay of an expected vaccine shipment. 
We apologize and will reschedule your appointment automatically once the vaccine delivery has been confirmed.  You will soon receive a MyUCSDChart cancellation notice, but rest assured it will be followed by a new scheduling notice when more information becomes available. You do not have to take any action to be rescheduled.
 
Please be aware, the CDC has advised that people can wait up to 42 days between doses.  See more information on timing of second doses.
 
We appreciate your understanding.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 18, 2021, 06:59:35 PM
That's disappointing.  They are now saying that Petco may also be closed Sunday and Monday too.

We were lucky and got in between two delayed shipments.  So far no side effects.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 18, 2021, 07:15:02 PM
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That's disappointing.  They are now saying that Petco may also be closed Sunday and Monday too.

We were lucky and got in between two delayed shipments.  So far no side effects.

I'm glad you were able to get in!  Hopefully my dad will get in next week, fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 18, 2021, 11:55:24 PM
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I wouldn't say the credentials were forged, per say.  Bus Drivers deal with a bus full of children and are the sole caretaker for the kids' journey from 'home' to school: if a medical emergency arises the drivers have to do what they have to do.  In CA School Bus Drivers are required, by legal statute, to pass a CHP first aid exam or take an American Red Cross or EMSA-approved training course.  In our district many students riding a bus are special needs, and those are the students who are currently attending K-12 school in-person.
I mainly only brought that situation merely to point out that there is no arduous 'healthcare employee' check being done for current vaccinations so I doubt there will be an arduous medical history check for the next phase.  I've heard stories of plenty of people getting vaccinations not in the current tier for one reason or another (some I know personally literally were able to get vaccinated because the person administering didn't care and never checked credentials; similarly some people who may have gotten a vaccine in a situation like they were accompanying their elder parents whom they live with were shown a hard "no" due to current regulations).

I'm sorry, but bus driver is a health care provider is a total stretch for me. If a medical emergency happened when the bus driver was driving, s/he would not know more than anyone else with basic cpr/first aid training what to do. Seriously. In what other circumstances would you call a school bus driver a health care professional? Would you trust them to diagnose and treat your child? I call those documents forged. I agree that educational staff should be vaccinated, but not if they have to lie to do it.

Just because people are getting vaccinated who shouldn't be vaccinated doesn't make this right.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 19, 2021, 11:25:28 AM
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I'm glad you were able to get in!  Hopefully my dad will get in next week, fingers crossed.

I have my fingers crossed for you guys too.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Jasond878 on February 19, 2021, 11:41:57 AM
Thank you so much omraged9 for this link, and to Alyssa for telling me about the thread!!! I just got my mom an appointment for next week, which she hasn’t been able to do through Kaiser.

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There's another website that I found that seems to list vaccination sites:

https://www.vaccinateca.com/

It seems to have listings of different local sites in each CA county and the links on how to sign up for each site.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 20, 2021, 12:46:05 PM
Another study came out yesterday that shows that covid can have effects even if you initially have no symptoms.  Almost a third of all people that catch covid suffer at least one symptom for at least 3 months.  There's no difference between people that had mild symptoms versus people that were hospitalized.  Many people that were one of the lucky ones that initially had covid without any symptoms developed symptoms weeks or months later.  These long term symptoms can be ongoing.  The study cites up to 9 months duration since that's as long as they tracked people for the study but some people are going on 11 months with covid symptoms.

A study a few months ago out of the UK showed that 30% of all hospitalized people that recovered from covid were re-hospitalized within 5 months.  12% subsequently died.

We tend to think of covid in terms of two binary events.  Infected or not, recovered or not.  But it's more complicated than that.  It's not like the cold or flu where once it's over it's over.  Covid can stick with you long after you've "recovered".  It's unknown if vaccinations will help with this.  Until it is, even after I'm vaccinated, I'll still take the same precautions I am now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 20, 2021, 05:37:28 PM
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Another study came out yesterday that shows that covid can have effects even if you initially have no symptoms.  Almost a third of all people that catch covid suffer at least one symptom for at least 3 months.  There's no difference between people that had mild symptoms versus people that were hospitalized.  Many people that were one of the lucky ones that initially had covid without any symptoms developed symptoms weeks or months later.  These long term symptoms can be ongoing.  The study cites up to 9 months duration since that's as long as they tracked people for the study but some people are going on 11 months with covid symptoms.

A study a few months ago out of the UK showed that 30% of all hospitalized people that recovered from covid were re-hospitalized within 5 months.  12% subsequently died.

We tend to think of covid in terms of two binary events.  Infected or not, recovered or not.  But it's more complicated than that.  It's not like the cold or flu where once it's over it's over.  Covid can stick with you long after you've "recovered".  It's unknown if vaccinations will help with this.  Until it is, even after I'm vaccinated, I'll still take the same precautions I am now.
Adding to the seeming 'grey line'/non-binary COVID results:
I just read a twitter thread from a guy who's dad died of COVID, only the storyline wasn't the typical "got COVID, had to go to hospital, was intubated, died."  It was: got sick, had to go the the hospital, was released, lungs never quite healed and he continued to have breathing problems, died several months after being released from the hospital because of lung failure.

Add to that, a friend of mine up in LA got COVID early on: right before the mid-March shutdown.  To give you some background, he ran marathons, had run a small handful of Iron Man events and those super marathons (that were, like, running a marathon every day over very hilly terrain, over the course of a long weekend), and did some mountain climbing.  Like, IIRC he was exhibiting symptoms around the time everything was closing/canceling but before the March 13th date.  He was sending me (and others) updates of his conditions, in fairly graphic details: like, describing the color and thickness of fluid and whatnot he kept hacking up.  He was afraid to go to the hospital because 1) he doesn't have insurance (he's a freelance writer) and 2) he thought at that point going to the hospital was a death sentence.  He was in constant contact with his doctor, was able to get a test at that point (which was really rare) to confirm he did indeed have COVID-19, and was able to ride it out.  Sort of.
He didn't need to go to the hospital for advanced treatments, though he was sick in bed for just under a month.  For well over a month after he was breathing OK again, though, he was still exhausted and unable to do a lot of normal tasks that were no problems before.  He went to the doctor after testing negative a few times to make sure he was in the clear, where the doctor did a thorough examination of his lungs.  I got the impression because it was earlyish in the pandemic the doctor/hospital was doing all sorts of things because they didn't have a great understanding of the effects of COVID.  So my friend learned COVID did _MASSIVE_ damage to his lungs: it was bad enough that the doctor advised him he may never be able to run marathons every again.

Almost a full year later (he thinks this is right around the time he attended the function that was an early 'super spreader' where he got sick) he still has significant lung issues, and is still unable to do basic things.  He was saying he couldn't job up a light of stairs at his apartment complex at all: that even merely walking up them slowly, while grasping the handrail, takes all the energy away from him and makes him breathe heavy and feel like he's on the verge of having to gasp for air.  He attempts walking regularly for exercise, and he says he has to plan his day around going for walks: if he walks to early in the day he doesn't have any energy to do other stuff.  He used to occasionally smoke marijuana, as well as cigars, but he said the one time he's tried since last year (sometime early fall IIRC) was a nightmare for him: he half-joked that he got 'rookie lungs' all over again, but also confided smoking was not a good decisions and he wouldn't try it again anytime soon because he felt he couldn't breathe at all when smoking (he didn't smoke even half a joint, and ended up throwing the rest away).

So add that this to the in no way a binary 'sick/not sick; recovered/died' situation.  This is one of millions of Americans who got COVID, wasn't quite bad enough to have to check into the ER, but may have irreparable damage to his lungs from the disease.  Add the stuff we've heard about athletes having heart issues after COVID, as well as the fact this is new enough that we literally have zero idea what the long term impact of this is on anyone, and this is a scary, scary thing.

Stay safe out there: don't think that just because we're on the cusp of getting vaccinated, and that the holiday crush of infections is subsiding, that now is OK to let our guards down!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 20, 2021, 06:33:31 PM
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By working at an HIPAA covered entity, then those people are authorized.  As part of employment, paid or volunteer, they should have to agree to be bound by HIPAA if they have access to any PHI.  Many facilities will require everyone, even those who don't and never will have access to any PHI, to sign that they agree to be bound by the HIPAA privacy rules.  The same as at any health care facility like a doctor's office or a hospital.

When I said I had to agree to HIPAA when getting a flu shot, I didn't mean by providing my medical history to them.  Anyone can ask for anyone's health history.  I meant I had to acknowledge that they are allowed to share my health history with other people involved in my care just like with any health provider.  Be that my PCP, the insurance company or the government.  Signing that acknowledgement/waiver is standard practice in health care.

The check in people should not be the ones making the call, it should be part of the registration process.  The check in people should only know if someone is a go or no go.  By the way, those check in people are also bound by HIPAA if that facility is a covered entity.  Since the mere fact that someone is getting a vaccination alone is PHI.  So if the concern is about potential HIPAA violations, then that concern has always been there regardless if the facility is a vaccination site, doctor's office, hospital or pharmacy.

There's no general HIPAA covered entity. Every practice/hospital/clinic needs to have a HIPAA form signed by patients that are seen there and that HIPAA form is only specific for that particular practice/hospital/clinic. And even with a signed HIPAA, just to cover themselves, if they were to share any medical information for that particular patient with another office, they may still have the patient sign another informed consent form. I honestly don't know if you can get paid or volunteer vaccination workers to sign forms that make them covered for HIPAA compliance. From the offices I worked at, it doesn't work that way. Theoretically each health care-related office are supposed to have their employees undergo HIPAA training. The employees don't sign any HIPAA compliance forms. The compliance is really bound by lawsuits or HIPAA complaints and employees would only be punished theoretically by loss of employment. So none of this really fits temporary paid or volunteer workers. You can't really enforce HIPAA rules on temporary workers.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 21, 2021, 01:16:42 AM
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The compliance is really bound by lawsuits or HIPAA complaints and employees would only be punished theoretically by loss of employment. So none of this really fits temporary paid or volunteer workers. You can't really enforce HIPAA rules on temporary workers.

Yes you can.  Use the same method as with any confidential information.  Have the workers sign a NDA.  Confidentiality agreements are common for employment be that temporary or permanent and in volunteering.  That not only protects a company's IP but also the PI of their clients.  Such as the PHI of patients in a health care setting.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 22, 2021, 06:14:51 PM
Petco site down today again; WILL be open tomorrow.  1800 appointments behind; as of late this morning the county is still waiting for COVID-19 vaccine shipments that have been delayed by winter storms.  Here's the lates from the Trib: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2021-02-22/petco-park-vaccine-superstation-remains-closed-nearly-1-800-appointments-available-at-del-mar-fairgrounds

In other news, late last week my parents in AZ (moved from OH last April) got their first dose.  They're the type that've been kinda cautious but not exactly staying home: going to 'socially distant' church, out to eat, running errands, etc.  They're retired as of last April, and not the "sit at home and do nothing" type, so I feel slightly better that they're on top of getting the vaccine, at least.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on February 22, 2021, 11:11:15 PM
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Yes you can.  Use the same method as with any confidential information.  Have the workers sign a NDA.  Confidentiality agreements are common for employment be that temporary or permanent and in volunteering.  That not only protects a company's IP but also the PI of their clients.  Such as the PHI of patients in a health care setting.

To me, it just seems too messy. How do you force volunteers to sign a NDA? Also, a NDA is not the same as a HIPAA form. Again, employees and volunteers don't sign HIPAA forms. It's the patients who sign HIPAA forms-- these are informed consent forms telling them what their medical privacy rights are. Employees and volunteers can undergo HIPAA training but there are no forms for them to sign.

It's just way easier to have each person with a pre-existing condition that qualifies for them for vaccinations in the current phase/tier to have their primary care doctor sign a form that confirms that they qualify and they bring the form to the vaccination sites.. Simple and easy. No way of violating HIPAA.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 23, 2021, 12:38:28 AM
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To me, it just seems too messy. How do you force volunteers to sign a NDA? Also, a NDA is not the same as a HIPAA form. Again, employees and volunteers don't sign HIPAA forms. It's the patients who sign HIPAA forms-- these are informed consent forms telling them what their medical privacy rights are. Employees and volunteers can undergo HIPAA training but there are no forms for them to sign.

It's simple, if someone wants to be a volunteer then they have to sign the agreement.  If they don't want to sign the agreement, then they can't be a volunteer.  That's common.  You should see the forms you have to sign just to volunteer at an animal shelter.

At the completion of HIPAA training the employee, permanent or volunteer, should sign a form acknowledging they completed the training.  An organization should do this if for no other reason then to document that the employee has gone through training.  What's in that agreement?  There could be confidentiality clauses.  Which can be redundant since there's probably confidentially clauses in the employment agreement.  Here are some examples of those clauses.

https://www.lawinsider.com/clause/hipaa-compliance

NDAs are common.  People sign a lot more of them then they realize.  Ever visit a friend for lunch at a big company?  Ever wonder why they make you sign in as a visitor?  In many cases, you are signing a NDA.  Ever sign in when you went to an early screening of a movie?  Chances are you signed a NDA.

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It's just way easier to have each person with a pre-existing condition that qualifies for them for vaccinations in the current phase/tier to have their primary care doctor sign a form that confirms that they qualify and they bring the form to the vaccination sites.. Simple and easy. No way of violating HIPAA.

Spreading information that someone has a pre-existing condition, even if unspecified, is a possible HIPAA violation.  Just knowing someone is there getting a vaccination is a possible HIPAA violation.  I don't see how a doctor's note removes all HIPAA privacy concerns.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 23, 2021, 09:09:53 AM
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Petco site down today again; WILL be open tomorrow.  1800 appointments behind; as of late this morning the county is still waiting for COVID-19 vaccine shipments that have been delayed by winter storms.  Here's the lates from the Trib: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2021-02-22/petco-park-vaccine-superstation-remains-closed-nearly-1-800-appointments-available-at-del-mar-fairgrounds

My dad checked MyChart this morning and he isn't rescheduled yet.  His appointment was last Friday, 2/19.  Hopefully he'll hear soon.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 23, 2021, 10:37:27 AM
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My dad checked MyChart this morning and he isn't rescheduled yet.  His appointment was last Friday, 2/19.  Hopefully he'll hear soon.

The Administration said yesterday that they plan to be all caught up with vaccine shipments by the end of the week.  Petco can't schedule until they have vaccine.  So hopefully things will get sorted soon.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 23, 2021, 02:38:01 PM
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The Administration said yesterday that they plan to be all caught up with vaccine shipments by the end of the week.  Petco can't schedule until they have vaccine.  So hopefully things will get sorted soon.
Add to that news that educators will begin being eligible for vaccines Monday May 1.

There's a huge bottleneck/supply issue is what I'm getting at...  :-\ :-[
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: ocwankenobi on February 23, 2021, 04:00:09 PM
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My dad checked MyChart this morning and he isn't rescheduled yet.  His appointment was last Friday, 2/19.  Hopefully he'll hear soon.

I found this helpful if it hasnt been posted. 
https://abc7news.com/covid-vaccine-california-tracker-ca-newsom-update/9567632/

What I did not find helpful is that 40% of prison inmates in California are vaccinated already ?  I personally think every single teacher in the state should receive the vaccine before any prison sniffs one dose.  Just me.  Sorry if that offends anyone. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 24, 2021, 08:47:57 AM
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Add to that news that educators will begin being eligible for vaccines Monday May 1.

There's a huge bottleneck/supply issue is what I'm getting at...  :-\ :-[

I am hopeful that new vaccines and ramped up production will be able to meet that demand.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 24, 2021, 09:14:45 AM
Interesting article from the Trib front page today about COVID in the county in context of sports: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2021-02-23/san-diego-just-misses-resumption-of-high-school-youth-sports-friday
Essentially 33 CA counties improved enough to (finally) start ramping up scholastic sports, while San Diego missed out.  This factoid kind of took me aback:
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“Los Angeles, Orange and San Francisco counties came out on the better side of the ledger with case rates of 12.3, 11.9 and 5.2 respectively.”
. SD is at 15 per 100,000 and needs to be at 14 for sports to be a go (last week we were around 22 so it'll likely happen next week).  I never would've guessed San Diego was in a slightly worse place than LA or Orange counties.

On the bad/even-worse news (personally: I don't care about sports and think they should cancel fall sports at this point instead of trying to cram a year's worth of sports into a 15ish week period): https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/science/story/2021-02-23/california-homegrown-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-transmissible-and-dangeroushttps://twitter.com/AspyrMedia/status/1364597497033854978?s=20
CA now has its own strand of COVID-19 that is more transmissible and potentially more dangerous (and vaccines may be less effective against).  It's similar to the UK variant, but even now slightly more than 50% of the COVID cases in the state have the vaccine; that's going to rise to 90% of CA cases by the end of next month.  In that article:
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The U.K. and California variants are each armed with enhanced capabilities, and the likelihood that they could circulate in the same population raises the specter of a return to spiking infections and deaths, Chiu said. It also opens the door to a “nightmare scenario”: That the two viruses will meet in a single person, swap their mutations, and create an even more dangerous strain of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
The new evidence that the California variant could make people sicker, and vaccines less effective, should spur more intensive efforts to drive down infections, Chiu said. Those should include both public health measures, such as masking and limits on public activities, and a campaign of rapid vaccinations, he added.

The pandemic rollercoaster continues its disturbing ride...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 24, 2021, 09:40:59 AM
When I get fully vaccinated, I plan to continue masking and social distancing, but I would like to eat in outdoor restaurants again. What do you all plan to do after vaccination?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 24, 2021, 10:17:41 AM
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When I get fully vaccinated, I plan to continue masking and social distancing, but I would like to eat in outdoor restaurants again. What do you all plan to do after vaccination?

Good question; it's been difficult for me to think too far ahead at this point.  I feel like spring 2020 when so much was unknown, I was making a lot of plans as far as teaching and whatnot, only to see most quickly upended.  I feel like one major thing I've learned throughout the last 12 months (and counting  :( ) is not to set too many plans too far in advanced.  I think because of that mindset I haven't dared think much about what I'll do post-vaccination rather than 1) teach in person w/little anxiety 2) continue to wear masks, social distance, and likely not shake many hands ever again.
I guess I'll get some restaurant food.  Since before March 13th 2020 we haven't eaten any restaurant food: everything we've eaten has been cooked by us (plus, of course, tons of junk food).  There have been a ton of restaurant food lately I've been craving (even simple stuff: like KFC).  Our favorite local (probably a few 100 yards away) Tai restaurant closed over the summer so that was a bit heartbreaking: that would've been the #1 meal (and we likely would've broken down before now had it been open in the fall).
I'll probably also be excited to see movies again in theaters.  I've been saying for a year that I will not go to a theater for a movie w/out the vaccine, so that's likely another thing high on my To-Do list post-vaccination.  Right now it's looking good BLACK WIDOW may be the triumphant return (of me going) to theaters
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on February 24, 2021, 10:27:46 AM
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When I get fully vaccinated, I plan to continue masking and social distancing, but I would like to eat in outdoor restaurants again. What do you all plan to do after vaccination?
Now that I'm fully vaccinated, I'm thinking of getting a haircut and doing my own grocery shopping.
Not sure when I may start traveling again, though, but that would be next.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 24, 2021, 10:33:31 AM
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Good question; it's been difficult for me to think too far ahead at this point.  I feel like spring 2020 when so much was unknown, I was making a lot of plans as far as teaching and whatnot, only to see most quickly upended.  I feel like one major thing I've learned throughout the last 12 months (and counting  :( ) is not to set too many plans too far in advanced.  I think because of that mindset I haven't dared think much about what I'll do post-vaccination rather than 1) teach in person w/little anxiety 2) continue to wear masks, social distance, and likely not shake many hands ever again.
I guess I'll get some restaurant food.  Since before March 13th 2020 we haven't eaten any restaurant food: everything we've eaten has been cooked by us (plus, of course, tons of junk food).  There have been a ton of restaurant food lately I've been craving (even simple stuff: like KFC).  Our favorite local (probably a few 100 yards away) Tai restaurant closed over the summer so that was a bit heartbreaking: that would've been the #1 meal (and we likely would've broken down before now had it been open in the fall).
I'll probably also be excited to see movies again in theaters.  I've been saying for a year that I will not go to a theater for a movie w/out the vaccine, so that's likely another thing high on my To-Do list post-vaccination.  Right now it's looking good BLACK WIDOW may be the triumphant return (of me going) to theaters

We have been doing lots of take-out. If I was ever to get COVID, that and the supermarket would be where I got it. I really don't want my favorite restaurants to go out of business, so we are doing what we can to keep them alive.

I'm very happy not to have to shake hands anymore. It was something I was never able to do comfortably. I find that women tend to hug, which I will miss. Not sure when I will do that without worrying.

I can't wait for the movies. Hopefully, they will hold onto Black Widow for the big screen. I will wear my mask to that, but will try to pick a time and place that helps me to social distance. Maybe a matinee on a weekday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 24, 2021, 10:44:17 AM
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CA now has its own strand of COVID-19 that is more transmissible and potentially more dangerous (and vaccines may be less effective against).  It's similar to the UK variant, but even now slightly more than 50% of the COVID cases in the state have the vaccine; that's going to rise to 90% of CA cases by the end of next month.  In that article:
The pandemic rollercoaster continues its disturbing ride...

We've had our own strain for a while.  Unless that's yet another one.  I'm thinking it might be a factor in how California went from a state that was one of the best in handling covid to being the national hotspot so quickly.

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I guess I'll get some restaurant food.  Since before March 13th 2020 we haven't eaten any restaurant food: everything we've eaten has been cooked by us (plus, of course, tons of junk food).  There have been a ton of restaurant food lately I've been craving (even simple stuff: like KFC).

That's the one thing I have done a handful of times in the last year.  Including getting a $20 fill up from KFC.  I take everything out of the restaurant packaging and nuke it before I bring it into the house.  I installed a microwave out in the garage specifically for this purpose.

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When I get fully vaccinated, I plan to continue masking and social distancing, but I would like to eat in outdoor restaurants again. What do you all plan to do after vaccination?

I plan on continuing on pretty much the same as I am now until the community prevalence of covid drops to a very low level.  I will go into stores again.  I've only been in a store a handful of times, mainly to access the pharmacy.  I haven't been able to do a toy hunt in a year.

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I'm very happy not to have to shake hands anymore. It was something I was never able to do comfortably.

Even before covid, I didn't shake hands.  It's a disgusting custom.  Some people took my refusal graciously.  Other did not.  Now, I think most people would not have a problem with my refusal.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 24, 2021, 10:49:19 AM
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When I get fully vaccinated, I plan to continue masking and social distancing, but I would like to eat in outdoor restaurants again. What do you all plan to do after vaccination?

Movies!!  Restaurants!!  And once more and more people are vaccinated, travel!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 24, 2021, 11:14:16 AM
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We've had our own strain for a while.  Unless that's yet another one.  I'm thinking it might be a factor in how California went from a state that was one of the best in handling covid to being the national hotspot so quickly.
That's the one: it's getting more and more prevalent over the last few months.

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Even before covid, I didn't shake hands.  It's a disgusting custom.  Some people took my refusal graciously.  Other did not.  Now, I think most people would not have a problem with my refusal.
Yeah I was never a big hand-shaker pre-COVID.  I'm not a germaphobe or anything, I just mostly don't want to get in people's personal space.  I mostly tried to avoid handshakes in the old days, but in my job that gets difficult at times (as a music teacher, it's not uncommon to be a large events with peers where if one doesn't want to shake hands one is deemed unsocial and potentially shunned); I think I can parlay the pandemic into "yeah I'm done touching other human beings not my family" - maybe a fist bump will suffice
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 24, 2021, 06:14:30 PM
@perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380), San Diego opens up to teachers on Saturday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 24, 2021, 09:29:05 PM
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@perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380), San Diego opens up to teachers on Saturday.
Just heard that today!
Now onto "constantly checking in to see if I can get an appointment through the educators-only portal" (I'm told reservations through the traditional process, even though a mild 'hack' method I could implement right now to schedule an appointment for Sat. pm, will not be honored and we can only go through a specific educator-only website).

All the years of scoring SDCCI tix, before the "random cheerio" way they've had for years (back when it was first come/first served online) may FINALLY payoff in a real world scenario!

Oddly, a colleague in the Performing Arts Department was telling us this afternoon that there's a vaccination site in Carlsbad that is having daily line-ups of teachers and cops; they get there when they open for business at/before 7am and wait all day, and at the end of the day whatever doses are unclaimed get distributed in order of line.  While I have literally stood in Hall H lines from Thursday evening-Saturday afternoon (with a large group in shifts), and I think I've waited in line for roughly 30 hours straight a few years before joining a line group, for some reason I don't have it in me to wait, like, 8ish hours for a vaccination shot.  Maybe if they said they'd show some exclusive Marvel footage from an upcoming project...  :P

Thanks a lot for the head's up!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 24, 2021, 09:46:49 PM
Here's the website of the SD County Office of Ed that details the process for educators: https://www.sdcoe.net/news/Pages/San-Diego-County-School-Employees-to-Be-Vaccinated-Against-COVID-19.aspx

According to that site,
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Employees assigned to the 242 district, charter, and private schools located in the areas whose score on the state's Healthy Places Index (HPI) places them in the 4th quartile are eligible for vaccination at this time
My school (and the nearly 40 schools in my district), are all in the 1st quartile HPI.  So I guess I'm looking at quite a wait (with our district going back in-person in less than 3 weeks)

Oh well...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 25, 2021, 12:32:02 AM
Well that explains why there are open appts on Saturday.  I was surprised they didn't get taken right away.  I guess they are running it this way since 10% of the vaccine supply is being set aside for teachers.  So they are managing it separately.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 25, 2021, 11:51:02 AM
A spokesperson was just on the local news about the process for educators.  One reason they are running it this way is to verify eligibility since they are working with the employers.  Which is a different process then for 1A where you just need to show a badge or paystub.  Which makes me wonder if there were problems with that process.

I tried to get to make an appt this morning to get in front of 1B opening up on Saturday, but all the appts are gone now.  I should have made one last night.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 25, 2021, 01:52:56 PM
and it looks like age group 50-65 is completely elbowed out of line despite making up 10-15% of the deaths. The death rate drops dramatically at age 50
#great
 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 25, 2021, 05:26:38 PM
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A spokesperson was just on the local news about the process for educators. One reason they are running it this way is to verify eligibility since they are working with the employers.  Which is a different process then for 1A where you just need to show a badge or paystub. Which makes me wonder if there were problems with that process.

I tried to get to make an appt this morning to get in front of 1B opening up on Saturday, but all the appts are gone now.  I should have made one last night.

I suspect when school district bus drivers were authorized to get vaccinations as 'health care workers,' that might've raised eyebrows
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 26, 2021, 09:56:50 AM
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and it looks like age group 50-65 is completely elbowed out of line despite making up 10-15% of the deaths. The death rate drops dramatically at age 50
#great

Looks like it since the talk has been to move up the superspreader group, 16-49 year olds.  People 50-65 don't spread enough and don't get sick enough to draw attention.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

On another note, San Diego is setting aside 20% of the vaccine allocation for educators instead of the state guideline of 10%.  So hopefully they will get vaccinated shortly.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 26, 2021, 12:35:18 PM
Update:  My dad is re-scheduled for his 2nd dose for tomorrow at Petco.  Yay!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 26, 2021, 12:38:16 PM
OK, BIG update for any educators:
Family Health Centers of San Diego is making vaccine appointments for school personnel now.  Call 619-515-2300 to schedule an appointment.  You will need to present proof that you are a current school employee, such as an ID badge or a paystub (if you didn't get an ID badge for this school year because you've been virtual - I got one, on a day I was on campus before school started, not expecting to get a pic taken but I will absolutely have THE worst yearbook picture this year than any other of the 20+ years of teaching  :P ).

The Health Center will be busy but keep hitting redial; they'll talk of abnormal wait times but in my (and my colleagues) experience it was brisk.  It said 60+ minutes, as I was #111 in the virtual queue, but the entire process was maybe 20 mins tops from "I got through/on hold - hanging up w/appointments."  I scheduled both vaccine appointments at a centrally located Health Center (downtownish, I think).  Say you're scheduling an appointment, and followup with "I was referred by _ (insert your district or education employer here)" and it was incredibly smooth/easy.

Good luck, San Diego County teachers out there: it's a process to hit redial constantly on the phone, and then waiting to hear a human, but NOTHING like waiting to buy a badge or waiting for a seat in Hall H for a Marvel panel :-P

I gotta say: getting this schedule is a _HUGE_ load off of my mind.  W/out SDCCI the last year, all of my "try to get badges/try to help get hotels for friends/try to get parking" energies have been channeled into stalking vaccine availability for teachers; I now feel the sense of accomplishment/elation I do after scoring 4 Day w/PN badges for the upcoming SDCCI
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 26, 2021, 06:58:36 PM
Petco will be closed again from tomorrow, Saturday, through Tuesday due to another vaccine shortage.  They seem to be doing something new this time.  Even appts after Tuesday are being rescheduled.  They didn't do that last time.  They just rescheduled people who's appts fell on the days where it's closed.  Now they are pushing back appts between 2/27 and 3/13.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 27, 2021, 06:52:58 AM
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Looks like it since the talk has been to move up the superspreader group, 16-49 year olds.  People 50-65 don't spread enough and don't get sick enough to draw attention.  The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Just to be clear, I am all for Teacher/grocery store/pre-existing condition/emergency personal getting jabbed before the 50-65 age group. I AM NOT FOR lumping the 50-65 age group in with the 16 -49 people. The 50-65 age group make up 15% of the total deaths. Unlike the 16-49 who make up a small fraction of that.
i don't care if they're the superSpreader group. They are being rewarded for bad behavior. I am beyond livid at being elbowed out of my place in line.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 27, 2021, 11:08:31 AM
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They are being rewarded for bad behavior. I am beyond livid at being elbowed out of my place in line.

That was exactly my sentiment when it was first proposed.  Nothing has changed yet.  That was a proposal about a month ago.  Right now, as far as I know, the plan is still that 50-64 year olds will go at the same time as 16-49 year olds with underlying conditions.  Then the rest of the 16-49 year olds will go last.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 27, 2021, 11:37:10 AM
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Petco will be closed again from tomorrow, Saturday, through Tuesday due to another vaccine shortage.  They seem to be doing something new this time.  Even appts after Tuesday are being rescheduled.  They didn't do that last time.  They just rescheduled people who's appts fell on the days where it's closed.  Now they are pushing back appts between 2/27 and 3/13.


Yeh, my dad has been postponed again.  This time he already has received his rescheduled appointment time, which is this coming Wednesday.  This is for the 2nd dose, so maybe they're prioritizing getting the 2nd does to people within a certain timeframe?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 27, 2021, 11:38:44 AM
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Just to be clear, I am all for Teacher/grocery store/pre-existing condition/emergency personal getting jabbed before the 50-65 age group. I AM NOT FOR lumping the 50-65 age group in with the 16 -49 people. The 50-65 age group make up 15% of the total deaths. Unlike the 16-49 who make up a small fraction of that.
i don't care if they're the superSpreader group. They are being rewarded for bad behavior. I am beyond livid at being elbowed out of my place in line.
I thought I had heard (in San Diego) that the 50-65 age group was going to be starting up within the next few weeks as well; like the county/state or whatever is pushing "Tier 1 B teachers/PD/essential workers" Feb. 27 and 50-65 mid-March.

Can't recall where I read/heard that within the last few days; I def. heard it before I scheduled a vaccination appointment, because I thought it felt odd to open up so many categories at once.  For example, I know there are about 85k education employees in San Diego County (and I don't think that number counts daycare employees), another 2500 SDPD + 4k SD Sheriff department alone (not including the myriad of municipal PD & sheriff departments), and who knows how many 'essential workers' (and I don't know the explicit definition of essential workers).  Feels odd to push so many folks in one category.

Add to that the story in the Trib yesterday about college campuses getting their students vaccinated (which feels INCREDIBLY wrong, IMO, to vaccinate them before most teachers, PD, 50-65 year olds, etc) and it's hard not to feel like there are a lot of ways distributing the vaccination are not going 'smoothly'.

And, as we've learned the last few weekends, just because one has an appointment for a vaccine doesn't mean they'll be able to get it on their appointment anyway  :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 27, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
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A spokesperson was just on the local news about the process for educators.  One reason they are running it this way is to verify eligibility since they are working with the employers.  Which is a different process then for 1A where you just need to show a badge or paystub.  Which makes me wonder if there were problems with that process.

I tried to get to make an appt this morning to get in front of 1B opening up on Saturday, but all the appts are gone now.  I should have made one last night.
What's kinda odd is this seems completely not how this is going: less than 48 hours after the county issued their guidance on how to vaccinate educators.  I know teachers who 'worked' the system and got their first vaccination today (they put in their demo as 65+ to get into the system, schedule an appointment for today knowing Feb. 27 marks first day of education vaccination, and put correct information in the form for the appointment); and also districts not in the "4 quartile" (i.e. districts not top priority for vaccination) have given out numbers to specific Centers for vaccinations (I know of two districts that have given two DIFFERENT numbers for their employees).  I don't think we're _quite_ in the Wild West scenario of vaccinations, but it feels like we're only a step or two below that
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 27, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
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Yeh, my dad has been postponed again.  This time he already has received his rescheduled appointment time, which is this coming Wednesday.  This is for the 2nd dose, so maybe they're prioritizing getting the 2nd does to people within a certain timeframe?

I think they are just pushing back all appts by 4 days.  My grandma's appt also has been rescheduled, exactly 4 days later.  Which makes sense.  The way they were doing it before was trying to play catch up with the cancelled appts and fitting them in where they could.  Now by pushing back everything for 2 weeks, it's more consistent.

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I thought I had heard (in San Diego) that the 50-65 age group was going to be starting up within the next few weeks as well; like the county/state or whatever is pushing "Tier 1 B teachers/PD/essential workers" Feb. 27 and 50-65 mid-March.

It was announced that 16-49 year olds with underlying conditions would go on March 15th.  It's also been the plan that 50-64 would be at the same time as those 16-49 year olds.  So by that reasoning, 50-64 should also been allowed at the same time.  But I've heard nothing specifically about it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 27, 2021, 05:41:59 PM
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That was exactly my sentiment when it was first proposed.  Nothing has changed yet.  That was a proposal about a month ago.  Right now, as far as I know, the plan is still that 50-64 year olds will go at the same time as 16-49 year olds with underlying conditions.  Then the rest of the 16-49 year olds will go last.

They changed it
50-64 are no longer listed in the 1C catagory

they only list general population over 16 in phase 2.

50-64 is **gone** from the list
https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/phases.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 27, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
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Yeh, my dad has been postponed again.  This time he already has received his rescheduled appointment time, which is this coming Wednesday.  This is for the 2nd dose, so maybe they're prioritizing getting the 2nd does to people within a certain timeframe?
according to the news they are prioritizing the second doses

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I thought I had heard (in San Diego) that the 50-65 age group was going to be starting up within the next few weeks as well; like the county/state or whatever is pushing "Tier 1 B teachers/PD/essential workers" Feb. 27 and 50-65 mid-March.
as of 2 or 3 days ago the 50-64 age group was listed in the 1C category. Now, poof, we've been disappeared

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 27, 2021, 07:40:18 PM
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They changed it
50-64 are no longer listed in the 1C catagory

they only list general population over 16 in phase 2.

50-64 is **gone** from the list
https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/vaccines/phases.html

You're right.  It seems 50-64 has been pushed into phase 2 since that's the only category that fits now, which is everyone else.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 27, 2021, 08:30:02 PM
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You're right.  It seems 50-64 has been pushed into phase 2 since that's the only category that fits now, which is everyone else.

This if from a friend on FB who is also on this board but i dont want to cross post without his permision

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I know exactly how you feel. I'm 63, soon to be 64 and feel like I've been pushed to the end of the line. My wife is already 64 and feels like she'll have to wait until she turns 65 in September. Happy to let higher priority people go first, but a lot less happy about being lumped in with the general population.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 28, 2021, 03:47:05 PM
I got my first shot today.  Since Petco is closed, I went to one of the Sharp supersites.  I'm impressed.  They are a model of efficient mass vaccinations.  They want you to show up 15 mins before your appt. I was done with the vaccination, including the 15 minute wait about 5 mins after my schedule appt time.  While I had to wait in line for about a minute out front, that was more of a line management issue.  Since when I got inside and was checking in, there were some check in desks waiting for people to show up.  So effectively, there was no line.  I think from walking in the front door to stepping into the 15 minute waiting area took about 5 mins.  That's so much faster than Petco.  I don't think I've ever seen any numbers from Sharp, but I have to believe they at least do the same volume as Petco if not more.

There was a separate process for teachers.  At least they were segregated out.  At the front door, teachers to the right and everyone else to the left.  I'd say that about half the people getting vaccinated were younger than 65.  Many much younger.

I wanted to get vaccinated now before the J&J vaccine hit.  I will echo that everyone should get any vaccine they can whenever they can, but I wanted a 2 dose vaccine because of the variants.  That second dose really boosts immune response which compensates for the lower response to the SA variant.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 01, 2021, 11:14:00 AM
Update from County Office of Ed:
* there are 19,000 (out of 28kish) education employees who are in Quartile 4 (schools in zip codes with at-risk demos + high infection rates)
* 8,000/19,000 have made vaccine appointments so far through the county Ed. vaccine system

Unofficial Ed. Vaccination news:
* every educator I personally know already has an appointment(s) for their vaccination doses
* nearly every educator I personally know bypassed the County Office of Ed. system and went to a non-county run site (within the state guidance)
* some people I know went to local drug stores (Rite Aid maybe?) over the weekend w/zero waiting: the places were practically _begging_ for people to come down ASAP so doses wouldn't go to waste

While Petco had issues w/Moderna doses, other non-county run sites seemed to not have any issues receiving doses.  CDC and CDPH officials have been stating not to worry about 2nd doses: sites will have them as needed, and the supply change seems to generally be consistent for the most part (individual sites may vary, obviously, but overall things seem to be in a good place).
As of a week or so ago, San Diego County was the #2 county in CA for vaccine distribution.

So those of us waiting our turn, it feels like things are improving rapidly (especially with Johnson and Johnson being ramped up in the system within the next few weeks) and we _MIGHT_ get through this sooner than later.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 01, 2021, 12:48:36 PM
Mom just got her second dose of Moderna at Kaiser in Anaheim this morning.   :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on March 01, 2021, 02:41:07 PM
My dad got his 2nd shot today.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on March 01, 2021, 08:01:06 PM
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I wanted to get vaccinated now before the J&J vaccine hit.  I will echo that everyone should get any vaccine they can whenever they can, but I wanted a 2 dose vaccine because of the variants.  That second dose really boosts immune response which compensates for the lower response to the SA variant.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/jj-vaccine-game-changer-matters-rcna322

“An analysis by the Food and Drug Administration found that the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was 85 percent effective at preventing severe Covid-19 and 100 percent effective at preventing death. In the U.S., the single dose was 72 percent effective at preventing moderate to severe disease.”

“In South Africa, where a strain of the virus thought to be more contagious is widespread, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine was found to be 64 percent effective at preventing moderate to severe disease.

In early analyses, both the Moderna and the Pfizer vaccines were found to be less protective against the South African variant, although neutralizing antibodies for both remained above protective levels.”

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/single-dose-johnson-johnson-vaccine-effective-variants-data/story?id=76084549

“J&J also released preliminary data indicating the vaccine likely helps prevent asymptomatic infections, and that the Brazil variant doesn't appear to have as much of an impact on vaccine efficacy as the South African variant.” If anyone was wondering about the Brazil variant and asymptomatic infections.

Btw, J&J is testing out a two shot regimen. Overall, Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines are all good. No one should worry about which shot to get. Also, boosters will be released later.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 01, 2021, 08:48:35 PM
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Btw, J&J is testing out a two shot regimen. Overall, Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J vaccines are all good. No one should worry about which shot to get. Also, boosters will be released later.

Yes, J&J has only completed it's one dose arm.  The two dose trial is ongoing.  The data for the one dose vaccines matches the data from one dose of the two dose vaccines.  So it's to be expected that 2 doses of J&J will match 2 doses of the BioNTech and Moderna vaccines.  These vaccines all do the same thing, they introduce the spike protein so that your body can have a immune response.  They just take different routes to get there.  They all get to the same place in the end.  So their efficacy should all be about the same.

The issue is that the J&J vaccine, as it's given now, is in one dose.  Not two doses.  So it's not the brand of vaccine that I was concerned about, it's the number of doses.  Here's why.

"Moderna published a correspondence in NEJM on Wednesday with similar data previously disclosed elsewhere that showed a sixfold drop antibody levels versus the South African variant."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pfizer-says-south-african-variant-could-significantly-reduce-vaccine-protection-n1258198

"He[Fauci] pointed out that a second dose boosts by 10-fold the number of neutralizing antibodies made in response to the vaccine."

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210219/fauci-us-sticking-with-2-dose-regimen

So the SA variant elicits 6x less response than the prototype.  That second dose allows your immune system to have 10x more response.  That second dose compensates for the lower response for the SA variant.  The response with that second dose for the SA variant is as good as the response for the common variant with one dose.  So given the opportunity, I want that second dose.  Again, if I didn't have that opportunity I would gladly take a one dose vaccine.  One dose is better than no doses.  I would just plan on getting a second dose later.  But I had the opportunity to get 2 doses instead of 1.  I took it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on March 01, 2021, 09:53:44 PM
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My dad got his 2nd shot today.

I gotta admit.  My dad getting his 2nd shot post getting 7 likes is pretty heart warming.

Thanks, homies!  :)
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Post by: alyssa on March 02, 2021, 07:12:23 AM
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I gotta admit.  My dad getting his 2nd shot post getting 7 likes is pretty heart warming.

Thanks, homies!  :)

i (we) get it
we're all worried about our parents. Seeing someone else's folks protected by the vaccine is palpable.
**hugs**
my mom's second shot is on Wed & my Dad's is the following monday -

They should be fully protected by the time i visit on the 18th
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on March 02, 2021, 08:19:04 AM
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Yes, J&J has only completed it's one dose arm.  The two dose trial is ongoing.  The data for the one dose vaccines matches the data from one dose of the two dose vaccines.  So it's to be expected that 2 doses of J&J will match 2 doses of the BioNTech and Moderna vaccines.  These vaccines all do the same thing, they introduce the spike protein so that your body can have a immune response.  They just take different routes to get there.  They all get to the same place in the end.  So their efficacy should all be about the same.

The issue is that the J&J vaccine, as it's given now, is in one dose.  Not two doses.  So it's not the brand of vaccine that I was concerned about, it's the number of doses.  Here's why.

"Moderna published a correspondence in NEJM on Wednesday with similar data previously disclosed elsewhere that showed a sixfold drop antibody levels versus the South African variant."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pfizer-says-south-african-variant-could-significantly-reduce-vaccine-protection-n1258198

"He[Fauci] pointed out that a second dose boosts by 10-fold the number of neutralizing antibodies made in response to the vaccine."

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210219/fauci-us-sticking-with-2-dose-regimen

So the SA variant elicits 6x less response than the prototype.  That second dose allows your immune system to have 10x more response.  That second dose compensates for the lower response for the SA variant.  The response with that second dose for the SA variant is as good as the response for the common variant with one dose.  So given the opportunity, I want that second dose.  Again, if I didn't have that opportunity I would gladly take a one dose vaccine.  One dose is better than no doses.  I would just plan on getting a second dose later.  But I had the opportunity to get 2 doses instead of 1.  I took it.
True, but I still recommend to anyone to not really worry about which vaccine to get. Also, J&J did test their vaccine against the SA variant more so during testing, than the other 2 did until after vaccine approval. So, J&J vaccine is more ‘battle tested’ against the SA variant. Regardless, the main thing is that all 3 prevented death during testing. That is very important. No matter which variant it was.

And I would have done the same if presented with that same scenario; any vaccine is better than none like you said. :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 02, 2021, 08:43:01 AM
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True, but I still recommend to anyone to not really worry about which vaccine to get. Also, J&J did test their vaccine against the SA variant more so during testing, than the other 2 did until after vaccine approval. So, J&J vaccine is more ‘battle tested’ against the SA variant. Regardless, the main thing is that all 3 prevented death during testing. That is very important. No matter which variant it was.

And I would have done the same if presented with that same scenario; any vaccine is better than none like you said. :)
I read an article this am somewhere on my phone that said the J&J has a high rate of efficacy after 6-8 weeks: like, after the 4 week efficacy it's in the 65% or whatever while the other two are 90-95%, but after the 6-8 weeks J&J is at that same 90-95%
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 02, 2021, 10:20:30 AM
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I read an article this am somewhere on my phone that said the J&J has a high rate of efficacy after 6-8 weeks: like, after the 4 week efficacy it's in the 65% or whatever while the other two are 90-95%, but after the 6-8 weeks J&J is at that same 90-95%

Would you send me a link to that article?  I would be interested in seeing it.

Looking at the briefing document for the J&J vaccine, it's efficacy is 67% after 14 days and 66% after 28 days.  As with all these vaccines, 2 weeks after the first injection the bulk of immunity is reached.  It's really remarkable how well the studies of the various vaccines track.  All the studies could have been of the same vaccine.  One dose of BioNTech or Moderna is the same 85% effectiveness against serious illness as one dose of J&J.  Dose for dose, effectively, all the vaccines are the same.  The only difference is really getting one dose or two doses.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 02, 2021, 10:23:06 AM
Got shot #1 for me today.  Per the record card: Moderna.  Rite-Aid will actually auto-schedule #2 so I get to wait for 28ish days for them to reach out.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 02, 2021, 10:38:42 AM
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Would you send me a link to that article?  I would be interested in seeing it.

Looking at the briefing document for the J&J vaccine, it's efficacy is 67% after 14 days and 66% after 28 days.  As with all these vaccines, 2 weeks after the first injection the bulk of immunity is reached.  It's really remarkable how well the studies of the various vaccines track.  All the studies could have been of the same vaccine.  One dose of BioNTech or Moderna is the same 85% effectiveness against serious illness as one dose of J&J.  Dose for dose, effectively, all the vaccines are the same.  The only difference is really getting one dose or two doses.
I'll look for that; I read it first thing this morning before getting up so I was 1) groggy (and very well could be mistaken here) and 2) don't recall where I saw this (as a new update on my phone or maybe an article or something someone posted on Twitter?)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 02, 2021, 10:45:54 AM
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Would you send me a link to that article?  I would be interested in seeing it.

Looking at the briefing document for the J&J vaccine, it's efficacy is 67% after 14 days and 66% after 28 days.  As with all these vaccines, 2 weeks after the first injection the bulk of immunity is reached.  It's really remarkable how well the studies of the various vaccines track.  All the studies could have been of the same vaccine.  One dose of BioNTech or Moderna is the same 85% effectiveness against serious illness as one dose of J&J.  Dose for dose, effectively, all the vaccines are the same.  The only difference is really getting one dose or two doses.
Also interesting, is the testing variables for the 3 vaccines.  The Johnson & Johnson testing was done partially in Africa, where the dominant strain seems to be more potent than what the other vaccines were tested against (in the spring/summer mostly in the US and/or Europe; one of the other two vaccines was only tested in the US).  So it's also possible that the J&J vaccine is closer in efficacy to the other two when it comes to the stronger variants (this is me, a HS music teacher, guesstimating and may have zero basis in reality)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 02, 2021, 11:05:39 AM
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Also interesting, is the testing variables for the 3 vaccines.  The Johnson & Johnson testing was done partially in Africa, where the dominant strain seems to be more potent than what the other vaccines were tested against (in the spring/summer mostly in the US and/or Europe; one of the other two vaccines was only tested in the US).  So it's also possible that the J&J vaccine is closer in efficacy to the other two when it comes to the stronger variants (this is me, a HS music teacher, guesstimating and may have zero basis in reality)

I think they are all the same when matching apples to apples.  So they are all the same against the common variant in the US.  They are all the same against the UK variant.  They are all the same against the SA variant.  Which is to be expected since the goal of all these vaccines is to introduce the same protein into you so that you can have an immune response.

The J&J results broke it out by variant.  For the common variant in the US, J&J was 72% effective with one dose.  Moderna is 75% effective with one dose.  Effectively, the same.  In time, I think this will all be clear.  This process has been rushed.  There wasn't the years to do studies that the approval process normally takes to shake this all out.  But now all of us that have gotten a shot are all part of a really really big study.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 02, 2021, 11:16:37 AM
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But now all of us that have gotten a shot are all part of a really really big study.
Exactly, and once I get my second shot in early April I intend to really test that study by going back to licking door nobs and kissing strangers again*



*not really

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 02, 2021, 05:59:39 PM
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I gotta admit.  My dad getting his 2nd shot post getting 7 likes is pretty heart warming.

Thanks, homies!  :)

Same for me!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 02, 2021, 06:02:40 PM
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I think they are all the same when matching apples to apples.  So they are all the same against the common variant in the US.  They are all the same against the UK variant.  They are all the same against the SA variant.  Which is to be expected since the goal of all these vaccines is to introduce the same protein into you so that you can have an immune response.

The J&J results broke it out by variant.  For the common variant in the US, J&J was 72% effective with one dose.  Moderna is 75% effective with one dose.  Effectively, the same.  In time, I think this will all be clear.  This process has been rushed.  There wasn't the years to do studies that the approval process normally takes to shake this all out.  But now all of us that have gotten a shot are all part of a really really big study.

Yes, I signed my Mom up for VSafe where I give daily reports on her progress, any side effects etc.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 03, 2021, 01:03:19 PM
Petco is having problems again.  I don't see a mention of another closure on the news but they just canceled my grandma's previously canceled and rescheduled appt.  This time they don't have a new appt date.  Also this time they suggest that we might want to look into getting her second dose somewhere else.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 03, 2021, 02:35:48 PM
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Petco is having problems again.  I don't see a mention of another closure on the news but they just canceled my grandma's previously canceled and rescheduled appt.  This time they don't have a new appt date.  Also this time they suggest that we might want to look into getting her second dose somewhere else.
I saw online it was closed for a short bit because of lightning (yes, non-San Diegans: we _DO_ get thunder & lightening sometimes  :P )
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on March 03, 2021, 02:54:13 PM
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Petco is having problems again.  I don't see a mention of another closure on the news but they just canceled my grandma's previously canceled and rescheduled appt.  This time they don't have a new appt date.  Also this time they suggest that we might want to look into getting her second dose somewhere else.

Because of the forecast of rain my dad went early this morning at 8am (though his appt was at 2:45pm).  He said there was traffic stopped everywhere and a 2 block walk-in line.  He stood in the line for 90 minutes and got his second dose.  And then the rain started.  I'm glad he went early!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on March 03, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
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I saw online it was closed for a short bit because of lightning (yes, non-San Diegans: we _DO_ get thunder & lightening sometimes  :P )

Thunderbolt and lightning... Very very frightening.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 03, 2021, 03:38:40 PM
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I saw online it was closed for a short bit because of lightning (yes, non-San Diegans: we _DO_ get thunder & lightening sometimes  :P )

I didn't even think of that.  Of course, the storm.  Went right over my head.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on March 03, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
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Thunderbolt and lightning... Very very frightening.

Havarti!

(Does anyone get this reference??)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 03, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
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Because of the forecast of rain my dad went early this morning at 8am (though his appt was at 2:45pm).  He said there was traffic stopped everywhere and a 2 block walk-in line.  He stood in the line for 90 minutes and got his second dose.  And then the rain started.  I'm glad he went early!
I am so glad to hear he got his second shot!
according to the local news, walking into Petco is the way to go- the traffic seemed to be a mess
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on March 04, 2021, 06:39:27 AM
My Son,was on the wait list in Dallas waiting for his group to open up. While visiting his GF in Austin, he got the text to schedule an appointment.
The only times available were for the next day back in Dallas, so he ended up driving the 3 hours from Austin to Dallas in the morning, and then waiting in line at Fair Park for 2 hours just to get his first dose.
That's determination!

He's got his second appointment scheduled already so at least he knows where he needs to be now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 04, 2021, 07:14:13 AM
294 slots available in Palm Springs today.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 04, 2021, 08:01:36 AM
i've got an appointment with my gp to see if my medical issues and age enable my inclusion into the 'pre-existing condition' tier.
otherwise I'll have to wait for the general tier of age 16-64 in a couple of months.  I feel like I was kicked out of pre-reg into open reg when they disallowed the 50-64 age group. #sigh
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 04, 2021, 10:51:01 AM
Vaccine update:
* San Diego County is now already on Quartile 2: reminder that they started on Quartile 4, and have moved three quartiles in 6 days.
* For those in the current tiers, there seem to be a TON of open appointments throughout the county.  This is the info provided to employees in my district:

•   CVS: https://www.cvs.com/immunizations/covid-19-vaccine?icid=cvs-home-hero1-link2-coronavirus-vaccine   (https://www.cvs.com/immunizations/covid-19-vaccine?icid=cvs-home-hero1-link2-coronavirus-vaccine)
•   Rite Aid: https://www.riteaid.com/pharmacy/covid-qualifier?utm_source=state&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=Covid19&utm_content=Covid19scheduler_CA_2_12_21  (https://www.riteaid.com/pharmacy/covid-qualifier?utm_source=state&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=Covid19&utm_content=Covid19scheduler_CA_2_12_21)
•   Walgreens: https://www.walgreens.com/findcare/vaccination/covid-19?ban=covid_vaccine_landing_schedule (https://www.walgreens.com/findcare/vaccination/covid-19?ban=covid_vaccine_landing_schedule)
•   Albertsons: https://www.mhealthappointments.com/covidappt  (https://www.mhealthappointments.com/covidappt)

* there are so many open appointments currently myself and many colleagues have changed appointments 'on a whim' for sooner.  Just a half hour ago I changed to an appointment to tomorrow late afternoon/early evening (since it was open, I figured I might as well get an earlier appointment so my 2nd appointment is 8 days earlier to get a jump on all of the spring break travelers we'll inevitably have). 

I say this to maybe help calm folks who are patiently waiting their 'turn' to be vaccinated: it feels like things are drastically improving and will only et BETTER as the J&J goes into mass production this month (also to maybe subtly illustrated the vast ocean of "process" between the 'official' county distribution method and the private companies distribution method)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 04, 2021, 11:21:29 AM
The country is so uneven on availability of appts.  Here in San Diego, it's been pretty easy.  Appts are plentiful.  I know someone on the East Coast that's been trying and can't get one.  Whether waking up early or staying up late at night and checking all day long, there's no availability.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 04, 2021, 11:50:33 AM
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The country is so uneven on availability of appts.  Here in San Diego, it's been pretty easy.  Appts are plentiful.  I know someone on the East Coast that's been trying and can't get one.  Whether waking up early or staying up late at night and checking all day long, there's no availability.
Yeah I know people in TX & Georgia who also seem to be struggling finding appointments (conversely, I know people who are younger than me who are professional writers who have started getting vaccination).  Feels like a step or two removed from 'the wild west' right now
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 04, 2021, 12:32:15 PM
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Yeah I know people in TX & Georgia who also seem to be struggling finding appointments (conversely, I know people who are younger than me who are professional writers who have started getting vaccination).  Feels like a step or two removed from 'the wild west' right now

Media are essential workers in tier 1C.  Some states have already moved to that tier.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on March 04, 2021, 02:48:39 PM
I got a text today that #2 happens on 3/30 @ 10:45a. No need to reach out, call, whatever, they just texted and I'm set up.

The disparate experiences that people are having getting shots is just freakin' crazy.  Keep trying to help folks get theirs but it's such a crapshoot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on March 04, 2021, 05:32:32 PM
Just received my first dose. Second scheduled for 4/1. I’m so relieved, but I won’t be letting my guard down yet.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on March 05, 2021, 09:30:48 AM
I got my second dose yesterday at Moscone Center, same quick in and out in less than 30 minutes.
The only side effect to the second dose (Pfizer) for me was the sore arm. 
I read that the older you are the less severe your side effects might be because your immune system isn't as "robust" as a younger person.
Not too many benefits for being and oldie but glad this was one of them!
Best of luck to all of you and your families in the vaccination process.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 05, 2021, 10:09:09 AM
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Media are essential workers in tier 1C.  Some states have already moved to that tier.
I guess I'm talking movie critics and TV critics, which seems like an incredibly dubious stretch of "essential worker" IMO
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 05, 2021, 11:25:57 AM
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I guess I'm talking movie critics and TV critics, which seems like an incredibly dubious stretch of "essential worker" IMO

since i don't want to cause myself stress, i choose not to think about who is going before me in the tiers. It's way way to upsetting and it will not do a d* bit of good.
I repeat in montra like fashion, 'they're going the best they can'

it's the only way i can get over being kicked out of pre-reg.

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I got my second dose yesterday at Moscone Center, same quick in and out in less than 30 minutes.
The only side effect to the second dose (Pfizer) for me was the sore arm. 
I read that the older you are the less severe your side effects might be because your immune system isn't as "robust" as a younger person.
Not too many benefits for being and oldie but glad this was one of them!
Best of luck to all of you and your families in the vaccination process.


my 87 year old mom got kicked fairly hard by the second dose. She's doing a lot better today, the second day but yesterday, a day after the shot, she was wanting to die. Her words, not mine. She's up painting & chatting on the phone haunting the mail box for a package ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on March 05, 2021, 11:51:12 AM

Yikes, so sorry she had to go through that and really glad to hear she's doing better!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 05, 2021, 12:04:51 PM
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Yikes, so sorry she had to go through that and really glad to hear she's doing better!
thank you. I'm just glad to hear there's folks out there who are having a 'easy-ish' time with the shots
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on March 05, 2021, 02:34:26 PM
Our rural Minnesota county was expecting 190 doses in its latest shipment of vaccine. Instead they were surprised to find out that the state added a 0, and we received 1900 doses. The county really stepped up its program into FTL drive and got all the shots into people’s arms faster than I thought possible. Our paramedics worked some long shifts to get it done.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on March 05, 2021, 03:08:21 PM
California easing restrictions on theme parks, outdoor sports stadiums and outdoor concert venues--

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-03-05/california-theme-parks-stadiums-can-amid-covid

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on March 05, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
I had a pretty bad experience with the 2nd dose. I already deal with chronic fatigue, and the vaccine just made me feel terrible. I had almost no energy and went into that depressive state that I try to avoid at all costs.

But I'm OK now.  ;D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 05, 2021, 03:40:46 PM
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I had a pretty bad experience with the 2nd dose. I already deal with chronic fatigue, and the vaccine just made me feel terrible. I had almost no energy and went into that depressive state that I try to avoid at all costs.

But I'm OK now.  ;D
Out of curiosity for how long were you in that bad state?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on March 05, 2021, 03:57:26 PM
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Out of curiosity for how long were you in that bad state?

About five days. I had to take a few extra days off from work. But still down in the dumps somewhat. That's a feeling that's harder to get rid of.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 05, 2021, 06:12:05 PM
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Vaccine update:
* San Diego County is now already on Quartile 2: reminder that they started on Quartile 4, and have moved three quartiles in 6 days.
* For those in the current tiers, there seem to be a TON of open appointments throughout the county.  This is the info provided to employees in my district:

•   CVS: https://www.cvs.com/immunizations/covid-19-vaccine?icid=cvs-home-hero1-link2-coronavirus-vaccine   (https://www.cvs.com/immunizations/covid-19-vaccine?icid=cvs-home-hero1-link2-coronavirus-vaccine)
•   Rite Aid: https://www.riteaid.com/pharmacy/covid-qualifier?utm_source=state&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=Covid19&utm_content=Covid19scheduler_CA_2_12_21  (https://www.riteaid.com/pharmacy/covid-qualifier?utm_source=state&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=Covid19&utm_content=Covid19scheduler_CA_2_12_21)
•   Walgreens: https://www.walgreens.com/findcare/vaccination/covid-19?ban=covid_vaccine_landing_schedule (https://www.walgreens.com/findcare/vaccination/covid-19?ban=covid_vaccine_landing_schedule)
•   Albertsons: https://www.mhealthappointments.com/covidappt  (https://www.mhealthappointments.com/covidappt)

* there are so many open appointments currently myself and many colleagues have changed appointments 'on a whim' for sooner.  Just a half hour ago I changed to an appointment to tomorrow late afternoon/early evening (since it was open, I figured I might as well get an earlier appointment so my 2nd appointment is 8 days earlier to get a jump on all of the spring break travelers we'll inevitably have). 

I say this to maybe help calm folks who are patiently waiting their 'turn' to be vaccinated: it feels like things are drastically improving and will only et BETTER as the J&J goes into mass production this month (also to maybe subtly illustrated the vast ocean of "process" between the 'official' county distribution method and the private companies distribution method)
Make that Quartile 1.  This afternoon, about 24 hours after SD county moved to Quartile 2, they are now taking appointments for Quartile 1: now ALL education employees in the county can schedule their vaccination appointments with the county (though many, including myself, scheduled appointments outside of the county's system).  That means San Diego County has cycled through education employees in less than 7 days!
This feels like good news for the county, and good news for the folks next in line.  Johnson & Johnson will likely get to the county within the next couple weeks, which will only help expedite vaccinations.

My wife, who as an employee for the County Office of Ed. and eligible for a vaccine as of yesterday w/Quartile 2 folks, was able to move our appointments up by 8 days so we both got our first shots this afternoon.  I've never been so excited to get a shot in my life!  It was incredibly simple for me: I walked in about 10 mins early & they took me immediately; administered the shot which didn't really hurt at all (yet; I can kinda feel a bit of soreness creeping in); I waited 15 mins to observation, and then I came home.  It took an equal amount of drive-time as it did for my actual appointment, I think (which feels like another good sign of how quickly things are moving).
My wife and I went to different places, and ended up with different vaccines: she got Pfizer, and I got Moderna.  We'll see if one of us has worse side effects than the other  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 06, 2021, 12:45:58 AM
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That means San Diego County has cycled through education employees in less than 7 days!

A story on the local news tonight seems to say that's not the case.  As with the general population, there seems to be vaccine reluctance with teachers.  They said there were long lines when it first opened to teachers but since it's dropped off to about half the expected amount per day.  At one site, they planned to inoculate 600 teachers a day but only 350 showed up.  So they have the doses and the jabbers ready, they just don't have the teachers to jab.  Which is pretty much what has been happening with vaccinations in San Diego.  There's an initial rush for a couple of days whenever they open it up to a new group and then it falls off precipitously.  So the county then opens it up to more people since appts are going unclaimed.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on March 06, 2021, 02:38:39 AM
From what I can see, at least four of the clinics scheduled for next week here in Riverside County will have the J+J vaccine. Probably more.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 06, 2021, 12:27:04 PM
The vaccination pace keeps going up.  It was 3 million vaccinations a week the first month, now it's almost 3 million vaccinations a day.  That's 90 million vaccinations a month.  At this rate, Biden's 100 million doses in the first 100 days goal should be reached ahead of schedule next week.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 06, 2021, 01:09:54 PM
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A story on the local news tonight seems to say that's not the case.  As with the general population, there seems to be vaccine reluctance with teachers.  They said there were long lines when it first opened to teachers but since it's dropped off to about half the expected amount per day.  At one site, they planned to inoculate 600 teachers a day but only 350 showed up.  So they have the doses and the jabbers ready, they just don't have the teachers to jab.  Which is pretty much what has been happening with vaccinations in San Diego.  There's an initial rush for a couple of days whenever they open it up to a new group and then it falls off precipitously.  So the county then opens it up to more people since appts are going unclaimed.
Conversely, of the educators in the county that I know (which is a fair amount), nearly _ALL_ of them got vaccinations/appoints through means outside the official County system (VEBA): the one dependent on the 'Quartile' system.  I got my first shot outside of the VEBA system so I likely wasn't counted in that official count: as were literally all of my school site co-workers so far who got their vaccinations or appointments outside the VEBA system (my wife, on the other hand, DID get her first shot from the system, as did several of her colleagues yesterday: she did this ONLY because she got an appointment time a few days earlier than her scheduled appointments outside the system that she secured before her official Quartile became eligible).
I think at this point it will be difficult to figure out educator vaccination numbers w/out a legit polling system: using just the official VEBA numbers only isn't going to be reliable.

FWIW, at my school site, the only teachers planning on not getting the vaccine are a very small handful that (say they) can't due to medical conditions; I don't know enough about their personal situations, or medical science, to know the validity of that argument but int if 162 staffers at my HS almost all are (or already have started the process of) getting vaccinated
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 06, 2021, 01:11:51 PM
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About five days. I had to take a few extra days off from work. But still down in the dumps somewhat. That's a feeling that's harder to get rid of.
Thanks for the update; I'm trying to keep track of as many stories as possible to try to gauge if I'll need to worry about taking a day or two off of work after my second dose.  I seem fine after the first (just a mildly sore arm), but from anecdotal evidence if feels close to 50/50 I'll have moderate side effects.  I know one person who said their effects from the 2nd dose were WORSE than when they actually got COVID-19!
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Post by: perc2100 on March 06, 2021, 01:13:12 PM
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From what I can see, at least four of the clinics scheduled for next week here in Riverside County will have the J+J vaccine. Probably more.
Yeah, it seems many in San Diego will be getting them in the next week or so: including CVS Pharmacies, were I got my first dose yesterday (which makes sense since it seems 1) needing to schedule only one appointment feels easier and 2) the much easier to store aspect of J&J)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 07, 2021, 01:47:02 AM
My mother’s 2nd dose experience was not as bad as expected.  Only the day of and the day after she had a light fever and some pain in her vaccination arm.  Two days after her appointment, she was perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 07, 2021, 09:48:18 AM
Both my parents didn't have any side effects after the second dose.  Not even redness at the injection site.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 07, 2021, 10:54:17 AM
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Both my parents didn't have any side effects after the second dose.  Not even redness at the injection site.
Yeah 36+ hours from my 1st dose is pretty EZPZ for me.  Very mild 'pain' in my arm (at this point I'd call it more an 'irritation' than pain).  I can't tell if it's made me drowsy, as I slept a lot longer Sat & Sun than I typically do, but I've realized the last several months that the pandemic has seemingly exhausted me in general so I don't want to be quick to 'blame' the vaccination on my sleeping until 9:30 on a Sunday.
I'm of course more worried about the 2nd dose, but my 2nd appointment is on an early Fri. afternoon which will hopefully give me plenty of time to ride it out over the rest of the weekend before going back to teach Monday am (though I'll call in sick if I have to Monday)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 07, 2021, 08:47:15 PM
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Yeah 36+ hours from my 1st dose is pretty EZPZ for me.  Very mild 'pain' in my arm (at this point I'd call it more an 'irritation' than pain).  I can't tell if it's made me drowsy, as I slept a lot longer Sat & Sun than I typically do, but I've realized the last several months that the pandemic has seemingly exhausted me in general so I don't want to be quick to 'blame' the vaccination on my sleeping until 9:30 on a Sunday.
I'm of course more worried about the 2nd dose, but my 2nd appointment is on an early Fri. afternoon which will hopefully give me plenty of time to ride it out over the rest of the weekend before going back to teach Monday am (though I'll call in sick if I have to Monday)

Both grandma and I haven't had any side effects to our first dose.  Which I expected since I never have any reaction to vaccines.  I hope I do have some side effects to the 2nd dose.  That's evidence of a immune response.  The more robust the better.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 07, 2021, 08:56:44 PM
Now I'm on the hunt to find the J&J shot for Onion #2. She could be leaving for work in a week (she finds out tomorrow). For sure leaving before she would need a second shot. So far, no luck. If you guys see anything in San Diego, let me know!

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Post by: puppy on March 07, 2021, 11:22:08 PM
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Now I'm on the hunt to find the J&J shot for Onion #2. She could be leaving for work in a week (she finds out tomorrow). For sure leaving before she would need a second shot. So far, no luck. If you guys see anything in San Diego, let me know!

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Once she gets her first shot, I believe she will be able to get the second shot whether or not she is in an eligible group at the time of the second shot. That's how people who get the leftovers get their second shot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on March 08, 2021, 02:49:40 AM
CVS has waiting lists for unused doses. Kind of a crap shoot, but might be worth looking into if you aren't in one of the approved vaccination groups.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 08, 2021, 06:04:07 AM
She's in approved, so that's good. And she's leaving too soon and can't get the 2 dose...she will be in another state for at least a month.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 08, 2021, 07:04:26 AM
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She's in approved, so that's good. And she's leaving too soon and can't get the 2 dose...she will be in another state for at least a month.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 08, 2021, 08:06:18 AM
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She's in approved, so that's good. And she's leaving too soon and can't get the 2 dose...she will be in another state for at least a month.

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I recommend getting the first shot no matter what it is.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 08, 2021, 10:32:11 AM
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I recommend getting the first shot no matter what it is.

I second this.  One dose is better than no doses.  Look at the results of the trials.  One dose of J&J has about the same results as one dose of the two dose vaccines.  I anticipate once the two dose arm of the J&J clinical is done, that people who got one dose of J&J will be advised to go get a "booster".

Also, getting a second dose 1 month later has latitude.  In the US, the CDC says it's up to 6 weeks later.  In the UK, it's up to 12 weeks later.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 08, 2021, 12:45:59 PM
Great info! Thank you!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 08, 2021, 01:40:08 PM
Philly continues to be FUBAR.
My dad arrived for his second shot to a closed clinic, no call, email, nothing

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Post by: puppy on March 08, 2021, 01:48:06 PM
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Did you get the appointment?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 08, 2021, 01:54:47 PM
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CVS has waiting lists for unused doses. Kind of a crap shoot, but might be worth looking into if you aren't in one of the approved vaccination groups.
Yeah, I know someone (spouse of a teacher) who got a vaccine via the CVS 'waitlist;' she didn't have to wait much longer than her teacher husband on the day of his appointment
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Post by: TardisMom on March 08, 2021, 02:02:44 PM
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Philly continues to be FUBAR.
My dad arrived for his second shot to a closed clinic, no call, email, nothing

Aaarghhhh!!!
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Post by: alyssa on March 08, 2021, 02:58:56 PM
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Yeah, I know someone (spouse of a teacher) who got a vaccine via the CVS 'waitlist;' she didn't have to wait much longer than her teacher husband on the day of his appointment
How does this work? @perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380)
basically go & just wait? for a no show
i can wait in line with the best of them ;)
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Post by: SteveD on March 08, 2021, 03:03:06 PM
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How does this work? @perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380)
basically go & just wait? for a no show
i can wait in line with the best of them ;)
Also check with Walgreens as they may be offering 2nd dose Pfizer at some locations in Philly.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 08, 2021, 03:06:51 PM
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Also check with Walgreens as they may be offering 2nd dose Pfizer at some locations in Philly.

I dont' know what my Dad's first shot was. I think he's going to give it a day or 3 for them to answer his email.

I was thinking about doing the cvs stand by for myself here in CA. I've got to get on a plane in 2 weeks & i'd love something in my arm prior
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 08, 2021, 04:03:46 PM
Did you ever hear back about volunteering?  Volunteers do get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 08, 2021, 04:17:22 PM
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Did you ever hear back about volunteering?  Volunteers do get vaccinated.
no
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 09, 2021, 08:54:09 AM
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How does this work? @perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380)
basically go & just wait? for a no show
i can wait in line with the best of them ;)
Yeah, they went in mid-afternoon for the husband's appointment and apparently on that day that had already had enough cancelations or no-shows that she didn't even have to wait long for the vaccination.  This was at a CVS Pharmacy: they had a separate check-in process for appointments & wait-list (there was someone behind me at 5ish pm on Friday who was a wait-list person, and she got her shot right after I did).
There's a place in Carlsbad as well that I had heard about a few weeks ago, before teachers went live that had an all-day wait kind of thing for waitlist/waiting for extra at the end of the day.  From what I was told, it felt like a Comic-Con esque wait, with folks in folding chairs, some w/pop-up type tents, etc: from, like, 7am-5pmish.  I personally wasn't interested in that, oddly: I guess if they said there would be exclusive Marvel footage _then_ maybe I'd be into it?  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 09, 2021, 09:31:45 AM
One of my San Diego (teaches in Poway, lives in Vista) friends did that too. Her mother in law (already vaccinated bc she's over 65) waited in line at a CVS for about 5 hours while the friend was teaching online, then when my friend was done she rushed over and waited the last hour or two herself. She said it was still easier/faster than going through the County.

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Post by: alyssa on March 09, 2021, 09:37:08 AM
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Yeah, they went in mid-afternoon for the husband's appointment and apparently on that day that had already had enough cancelations or no-shows that she didn't even have to wait long for the vaccination.  This was at a CVS Pharmacy: they had a separate check-in process for appointments & wait-list (there was someone behind me at 5ish pm on Friday who was a wait-list person, and she got her shot right after I did).
There's a place in Carlsbad as well that I had heard about a few weeks ago, before teachers went live that had an all-day wait kind of thing for waitlist/waiting for extra at the end of the day.  From what I was told, it felt like a Comic-Con esque wait, with folks in folding chairs, some w/pop-up type tents, etc: from, like, 7am-5pmish.  I personally wasn't interested in that, oddly: I guess if they said there would be exclusive Marvel footage _then_ maybe I'd be into it?  :P
thx,
i'm going to visit a cvs in mission valley & check it out. I'll report back.
id rather have the 2 dose type, but i'll take anything at this point. I'm considering not flying back east at the end of the month due to covid

the Doc is not able to request putting me into the pre-existing tier.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2021, 10:33:40 AM
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There's a place in Carlsbad as well that I had heard about a few weeks ago, before teachers went live that had an all-day wait kind of thing for waitlist/waiting for extra at the end of the day.  From what I was told, it felt like a Comic-Con esque wait, with folks in folding chairs, some w/pop-up type tents, etc: from, like, 7am-5pmish.  I personally wasn't interested in that, oddly: I guess if they said there would be exclusive Marvel footage _then_ maybe I'd be into it?  :P

They do that at Petco too.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 09, 2021, 10:32:48 PM
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Thanks for the update; I'm trying to keep track of as many stories as possible to try to gauge if I'll need to worry about taking a day or two off of work after my second dose.  I seem fine after the first (just a mildly sore arm), but from anecdotal evidence if feels close to 50/50 I'll have moderate side effects.  I know one person who said their effects from the 2nd dose were WORSE than when they actually got COVID-19!

I recommend taking a day off after your 2nd dose just in case you do have symptoms. I wrote about mine earlier. It was about a 24 hour process. If you can't take a day off, I'd try to get the jab very early in the morning so that hopefully by the next morning, you'll be fine to work.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 10, 2021, 06:52:21 AM
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Thanks for the update; I'm trying to keep track of as many stories as possible to try to gauge if I'll need to worry about taking a day or two off of work after my second dose.  I seem fine after the first (just a mildly sore arm), but from anecdotal evidence if feels close to 50/50 I'll have moderate side effects.  I know one person who said their effects from the 2nd dose were WORSE than when they actually got COVID-19!

Second shot yesterday morning. First one: sore arm. Second one: sore arm soon after; fever and chills started last night. Fever went up overnight. Headache this morning. I feel sick.
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Post by: TardisMom on March 10, 2021, 07:48:55 AM
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Second shot yesterday morning. First one: sore arm. Second one: sore arm soon after; fever and chills started last night. Fever went up overnight. Headache this morning. I feel sick.

Hopefully it will be over soon!  I had a similar experience after the second dose and felt better by the end of the day after.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on March 10, 2021, 07:50:49 AM
So a friend of my on-laws didn't disclose she wasn't feeling well when she got the 2nd dose, turns out she had covid and is now in hospice.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 10, 2021, 07:51:32 AM
My work is offering paid day off the following day of getting the shot. So that's nice.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 10, 2021, 10:13:19 AM
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My work is offering paid day off the following day of getting the shot. So that's nice.

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That's awesome!
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Post by: alyssa on March 10, 2021, 02:50:22 PM
i was finally approved to do volunteer work for petco &  have signed up for a shift on Sunday. i guess at that point i'll see what the hoops will be to get a jab.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 10, 2021, 07:03:30 PM
Grandma got her 2nd dose at Petco today.  I was worried about the weather but it turned out to be a non-event even with the lightning and thunder advisory.  Petco feels like it's spinning down.  It was pretty empty.  There was little or no waiting.  Some of the open check in lines didn't have any cars to check in.  The only wait we had was after check in to get directed into a chute.  That wait was only a couple of minutes at most.  They only do second doses now.  They are also only vaccinating at half capacity so that they can stay open everyday instead of shutting down some days due to vaccine shortages.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 10, 2021, 11:09:28 PM
A friend read that you can call up some pharmacies like CVS, etc. right after lunch and see if they have any extras for the day.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 11, 2021, 05:23:25 PM
Biden to direct states to make all adults eligible for vaccines by May 1! https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/11/biden-states-make-adults-eligible-covid-vaccine-may-1/4655548001/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 11, 2021, 05:58:23 PM
There's at least one town in Arizona that has already done that.  Not enough people were coming in to get vaccinated so they lowered the criteria to 18 and over, no other requirement.

Grandma is over 24 hours since her 2nd dose.  No side effects at all.  Not even redness or soreness at the injection site.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 12, 2021, 08:20:21 AM
Saw this comment on twitter:

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I asked my 85 year old mom if she had any side effects from the 2nd dose of the vaccine, and she said "Only an acute appreciation of science."

LOVE that answer!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: frgx on March 12, 2021, 09:08:37 AM
I just got an appointment at Walgreens for my sister. She's in the group who have underlying medical conditions.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 12, 2021, 09:00:53 PM
I just got an automated message from UCSD's mychart saying that on March 15th I'll be eligible for the vaccine under the underlying conditions category. Apparently the message itself will work as eligibility documentation if I go elsewhere to get it done quicker than UCSD can do it. So, I'll go ahead and schedule myself for next week.

My closest pharmacy has the moderna vaccine in stock but I'll have to check on that next week. There are stocks of the other vaccines in my area as well. The message also linked me to https://vaccinefinder.org/ (https://vaccinefinder.org/) so I can see what's in stock in my area.

So that was handy and Rite Aid at least (my pharmacy a mile or less away) is automatically scheduling second shots to ensure they'll have stock for it. So that will be a relief to get my vaccine over with. My mum, dad, and stepdad have all been vaccinated already, but I am uncertain as to the status of my stepmum's vaccination (she's a bit younger than my dad and I don't know if she has any underlying conditions that would bump her up.) I'll have to send a message out tomorrow when it's not midnight there.
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Post by: dolphina on March 13, 2021, 07:51:35 AM
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Saw this comment on twitter:

LOVE that answer!!
That is a great response.
Last Friday, I received my 2nd vaccine, I did it on a Friday in case I had a reaction. I did mine through Kaiser ( am an employee). I developed a very low grade temperature and very mild body aches that one otc Tylenol was able to knock out within an hour. The only thing I’ve noticed is that even though it’s been a week the injection site still itches, lol not going to complain. I’ve talked to coworkers and found I’m not the only one who has had that.
In my department I would say about 80% have been vaccinated and about 25% had reactions.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 13, 2021, 08:53:25 AM
as of 9am on saturday, i have not been confirmed for a volunteer shift at the La Jolla uc rimac superVac site on Sunday at 12:30 pm

at this point i really appreciate the cci volunteer system.
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Post by: dolphina on March 13, 2021, 09:00:09 AM
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as of 9am on saturday, i have not been confirmed for a volunteer shift at the La Jolla uc rimac superVac site on Sunday at 12:30 pm

at this point i really appreciate the cci volunteer system.
Keeping my fingers crossed for you


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 13, 2021, 12:54:39 PM
My little brother and my sister-in-law in San Diego will be getting their first dose next week.
Update:  I'll be getting my first dose next Thursday.
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Post by: alyssa on March 13, 2021, 12:59:43 PM
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Keeping my fingers crossed for you
and I was just canceled out of tomorrows shift.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 13, 2021, 01:13:00 PM
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and I was just canceled out of tomorrows shift.

I'm very sorry to hear that. 
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Post by: Transmute Jun on March 13, 2021, 01:35:19 PM
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In my department I would say about 80% have been vaccinated and about 25% had reactions.

What kind of reactions have they had?
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 13, 2021, 03:12:23 PM
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and I was just canceled out of tomorrows shift.

That sucks.  Maybe it has something to do with Del Mar being closed this weekend so they have an excess of volunteers.  Volunteering at a Sharp site might be more reliable.  I don't think they've had to close one yet.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 13, 2021, 08:58:40 PM
Yeah UCSD health has been having shortages and needing to close early/for a day or so at a time. I was basically told it'll be better for me to go elsewhere for my vaccine once I'm eligible on the 15th.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 13, 2021, 10:59:48 PM
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A friend read that you can call up some pharmacies like CVS, etc. right after lunch and see if they have any extras for the day.

That’s also what my friend in Huntington Beach told me.
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Post by: alyssa on March 14, 2021, 08:39:59 AM
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That’s also what my friend in Huntington Beach told me.
From my travels to a bunch of cvs's around SD county, I've found that each has their own process. It varys between, 'NO', 'we report it to the web site distribution list' to a hand written list of locals (iow, it helps if you live close to the CVS or better yet use it to fill your 'scripts) wait list folks.
I've found it pays to be friendly when asking to be put on the list. Being sympathetic to the pharmacy's being overwhelmed by folks wanting the vaccine helps too.
 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 14, 2021, 07:04:50 PM
According to the local news, San Diego is running the underlying conditions criteria by the honor system.  A doctor's note or any other proof is not asked for.  A declaration by the person seeking vaccination is all that's required.
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Post by: Iris on March 14, 2021, 07:11:19 PM
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According to the local news, San Diego is running the underlying conditions criteria by the honor system.  A doctor's note or any other proof is not asked for.  A declaration by the person seeking vaccination is all that's required.

Oh interesting. I can imagine it might be rough for people to get confirmation from their doctor for a note quickly, so there's that.

I have a message from UCSD stating that I'm eligible. I'll bring it just in case, but I know that people are always suspicious that there's something going on with someone so young  :-\
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 14, 2021, 07:56:40 PM
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That is a great response.
Last Friday, I received my 2nd vaccine, I did it on a Friday in case I had a reaction. I did mine through Kaiser ( am an employee). I developed a very low grade temperature and very mild body aches that one otc Tylenol was able to knock out within an hour. The only thing I’ve noticed is that even though it’s been a week the injection site still itches, lol not going to complain. I’ve talked to coworkers and found I’m not the only one who has had that.
In my department I would say about 80% have been vaccinated and about 25% had reactions.

Yes, the injection site on my arm also itched for several days after my 2nd dose. I was puzzled by it since I had no itchiness from the first dose. But all in all, the side effects weren't too bad. I do wonder how the side effects will be with the booster shots that's probably coming next year.
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Post by: omraged9 on March 14, 2021, 08:54:36 PM
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According to the local news, San Diego is running the underlying conditions criteria by the honor system.  A doctor's note or any other proof is not asked for.  A declaration by the person seeking vaccination is all that's required.

Interesting. Sounds like they really didn't want to deal with any HIPAA violation issues.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 14, 2021, 10:10:56 PM
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Interesting. Sounds like they really didn't want to deal with any HIPAA violation issues.

How's that?  HIPAA information release is based on consent.  By providing a doctor's script or authorizing someone to look up health history, a patient is providing that consent.  Where would be the HIPAA violation?  Unauthorized release of the fact that someone claims to have an underlying condition if they are subject to HIPAA would be a violation.  So I don't see how doing it this way would relieve them of HIPAA responsibilities.

I think it's more likely that San Diego wants to vaccinate as many people as possible.  This eases that.  As has been discussed in this thread, San Diego has had a glut of unclaimed appts for the last few weeks.  Last week, there were open appts everyday I checked.  Now they are all booked because it's the start of opening up a new tier.  Which is what always happens.  There's an initial rush and then things drop off quickly.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 14, 2021, 10:26:33 PM
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Oh interesting. I can imagine it might be rough for people to get confirmation from their doctor for a note quickly, so there's that.

I have a message from UCSD stating that I'm eligible. I'll bring it just in case, but I know that people are always suspicious that there's something going on with someone so young  :-\

I think that's a good idea.  I always bring a folder of documentation even though they never ask to see it.  They only want to see ID.  Except with grandma they wanted proof of San Diego residency.  Which is what I think it says on one of the vaccination sites now.  So bring something with your address on it if your ID doesn't have an address.

Here's the story I saw earlier.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/vaccine-eligibility-to-expand-to-those-ages-16-64-with-underlying-health-conditions

"People who qualify will not have to show documentation as proof. Instead, the state says they'll be asked to sign a self-attestation that they meet the criteria. "
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 14, 2021, 11:21:33 PM
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From my travels to a bunch of cvs's around SD county, I've found that each has their own process. It varys between, 'NO', 'we report it to the web site distribution list' to a hand written list of locals (iow, it helps if you live close to the CVS or better yet use it to fill your 'scripts) wait list folks.
I've found it pays to be friendly when asking to be put on the list. Being sympathetic to the pharmacy's being overwhelmed by folks wanting the vaccine helps too.

Yeah I hesitated to go that route because the person in question was actually friends with one of the CVS employees and I am not “friends” with anybody at my local CVS pharmacy.  This is where you need the personality of a schmoozer and I am anything but!  I suppose I could put on a friendly act if necessary.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 15, 2021, 05:44:26 PM
Tomorrow both Alaska and Mississippi will open up vaccinations to anyone over 16.  No more tier restrictions.  One town in Arizona already did it last week.  Some other states have announced they will go there in April.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 15, 2021, 07:08:57 PM
I happen to be in a cvs that does vaccinations. There was a table for check-in. There did not seem to be **any** verification happening at all. Aside from insuring the person checking in is on the list.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 16, 2021, 12:46:08 AM
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I happen to be in a cvs that does vaccinations. There was a table for check-in. There did not seem to be **any** verification happening at all. Aside from insuring the person checking in is on the list.

Which is not that different from when I took my parents to get vaccinated or when I went to get vaccinated.  All they wanted was ID, they never asked how we qualified.  In the instructions they said we had to bring documentation like the confirmation email.  No one asked for any of that.  The first time I tried showing them the confirmation email to prove we had an appt and the person said they didn't need to see it.

I saw a couple of people on the news today talking about why it's the honor system for the new tier.  They both said it's because they want to remove any obstacles in the way of getting vaccinated.  Specifically they pointed out that not everyone has a printer at home to printout a doctor's note or even have had health care to have records to show.  So they decided on not requiring documentation.  They acknowledge that people will get vaccinated that don't have underlying conditions.  They didn't seem that bothered by it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 16, 2021, 08:24:19 AM
i just spoke to my sister in WI about her state. Apparently the lack of restrictions are not consistent across the states
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 16, 2021, 01:23:46 PM
Ohio joins the states that are opening up to everyone soon.  This Friday they open it up to anyone 40 and older.  On the 29th it's open to anyone over 16.

Vaccination availability is so variable across the country.  Some states have a glut of available appts.  In other states, it's impossible to get an appt.  I've been trying to make an appt back east for a relative.  I've been trying for weeks and have failed.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on March 16, 2021, 02:03:23 PM
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Ohio joins the states that are opening up to everyone soon.  This Friday they open it up to anyone 40 and older.  On the 29th it's open to anyone over 16.

Vaccination availability is so variable across the country.  Some states have a glut of available appts.  In other states, it's impossible to get an appt.  I've been trying to make an appt back east for a relative.  I've been trying for weeks and have failed.

what state back east.  if NY, I might be able to forward some info.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on March 16, 2021, 04:07:16 PM
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Ohio joins the states that are opening up to everyone soon.  This Friday they open it up to anyone 40 and older.  On the 29th it's open to anyone over 16.

Vaccination availability is so variable across the country.  Some states have a glut of available appts.  In other states, it's impossible to get an appt.  I've been trying to make an appt back east for a relative.  I've been trying for weeks and have failed.

Ohio is driving me crazy. I've been working in person with no safeguards since May 4th (we wear masks, but that's it. I share an office. We have in person meetings. Literally any member of the public can just waltz up to my desk at any given moment. It's insane. Also, yes, I sit at a computer all day, but apparently it has to be a very specific computer in a very specific location). But Ohio has barely done any occupation-based eligibility groups. And they've hardly done any medical condition-based things either. Cancer patients are only becoming eligible in this next phase on 3/19. They've mostly stuck to age groupings. And I'm sorry but there is no reason a 40 year old with no risk factors who works from home should be eligible while a 39 year old grocery store worker with asthma isn't. And meanwhile ALL healthcare workers were able to get it including admins working remotely. It has been so frustrating. I cannot believe that they are doing 40+ before doing essential workers.

In the meantime I'm terrified they're going to announce an April end to the mask mandate. So all the anti-maskers (who overwhelmingly tend to also be anti-vax) will go around spreading Covid to all the nonvaccinated essential workers who've been told they aren't important enough to be protected. And my parents will be 2 of those spreaders because I tried to get them appts and they said no (and they haven't worn masks at all except when retailers have forced them to)

So yeah. I've been really lucky with finding vaccine appts for my older coworkers. Hopefully when it's my turn on 3/29 I will stay lucky while competing with 5 million other people. At least by then everyone in my wing will be at least partially vaccinated even if I'm not. And hopefully the mask mandate goes through end of May at least to get people time to get both doses before we have to just live with other people's droplets again.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: lliving on March 16, 2021, 05:21:08 PM
After a health dept. vaccine fiasco in Memphis where ~2000 doses were allowed to expire(without offering to the public before they had to be tossed) and a volunteer shot giver(a medical professional) who stole about 12 doses by stuffing them in a bag and running out...Vaccine is now available through Walgreens, CVS, etc for everyone over age 16 with certain underlying medical conditions or caregivers for the "medically fragile".  No proof is required.  The screening process involves completing an online questionnaire, which just asks "Do you meet current vaccine eligibility requirements for your region?", honor system in effect.
 In Memphis, we  are still under a mask mandate issued by LOCAL government officials.   Our governor never issued a statewide mandate for masks for TN. Since the beginning of the pandemic he has refused to follow health officials recommendations.   "Citizens of our great state should be able to make the right choice without being forced to do it from a government order."  Needless to say, I live in a "red"  southern state.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 17, 2021, 12:48:14 AM
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what state back east.  if NY, I might be able to forward some info.

Mass, thanks for the offer though.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 17, 2021, 09:10:08 AM
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I happen to be in a cvs that does vaccinations. There was a table for check-in. There did not seem to be **any** verification happening at all. Aside from insuring the person checking in is on the list.
That was the case for myself and my colleagues when we got our vaccinations at the start of education vax.  All they checked was photo ID, and my Insurance card (because, I think, there was a typo when my appointment was made).  I had my school ID badge on, but purposefully had it facing 'away' from the viewer (i.e. the picture ID part was against my chest) just as a pseudo social experiment.  This was also a similar to my wife's process at a Sharp hospital when she went through the VEBA system.
I've gotten the impression SD County mostly wants to get as many vaccinated as possible, and with the exception of the first Tier hospital workers I think things have gotten more and more lax as the process has gone on.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 17, 2021, 09:55:08 AM
Got an email from our District Communications Director this am.  She says this:
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Currently, there are many appointments available for educators through VEBA, however, this will not be the case much longer. We have been notified by the County that if educators are no longer taking advantage of the VEBA appointments, they are planning to open up vaccination appointments to the general population, which would include ages 16 and older.
As I've said, most education people I know went through different means to get vaccination appointments, and there are a myriad of open VEBA appointments (reminder that's the county-run system for educators only).  This is a great sign for the 'general population' folks and a sign that San Diego County is moving quickly through the vaccination 'pecking order!'
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 17, 2021, 11:07:37 AM
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Got an email from our District Communications Director this am.  She says this: As I've said, most education people I know went through different means to get vaccination appointments, and there are a myriad of open VEBA appointments (reminder that's the county-run system for educators only).  This is a great sign for the 'general population' folks and a sign that San Diego County is moving quickly through the vaccination 'pecking order!'

That's good news.  I don't see why we woudn't move on if there are unclaimed appts.  It's been this way in San Diego for weeks.  Most of the time, there's been more supply than demand.

There's a disconnect between what's reported on the news and what I've found personally.  The news focuses on closings at Moderna sites due to lack of supply.  But at the same time the Pfizer sites aren't having any problems.  So while Petco(Moderna) has been closed a lot due to vaccine shortages, the Sharp(Pfizer) sites have not closed and had plenty of appts available.  It's just not Sharp with available slots.  Just yesterday they had an interview with a teacher who said she was able to walk into CVS without an appt and get vaccinated after not being able to get an appt on the Educator website for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 17, 2021, 12:24:37 PM
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That's good news.  I don't see why we woudn't move on if there are unclaimed appts.  It's been this way in San Diego for weeks.  Most of the time, there's been more supply than demand.

There's a disconnect between what's reported on the news and what I've found personally. The news focuses on closings at Moderna sites due to lack of supply.  But at the same time the Pfizer sites aren't having any problems.  So while Petco(Moderna) has been closed a lot due to vaccine shortages, the Sharp(Pfizer) sites have not closed and had plenty of appts available. It's just not Sharp with available slots.  Just yesterday they had an interview with a teacher who said she was able to walk into CVS without an appt and get vaccinated after not being able to get an appt on the Educator website for a couple of weeks.
Even odder: one weekend when Petco was closed due to lack-of-supply, I got the Moderna vax at a CVS & on the same day I know a colleague whose wife also got a vax via 'alternate.'  I wonder if there is a subset of folks who see, for example, the Petco site having to close on multiple weekends in a row, and then doesn't bother trying to get a vaccination appointment assuming SD doesn't have enough supply.

FWIW, on the educator website, a kinda funny story:
My wife, is a consummate "rules follower."  If there is a "no U-turns" sign at an intersection, it doesn't matter that its 1am w/zero cars anywhere in site: she is following that rule!  So she was incredibly hesitant to get a vaccination appointment outside of the VEBA quartile system: she works for the County Office of Education, who were on one of the lowest 'quartile' tiers for educators (my school site was on the lowest).  I scheduled an appointment with her the first day we could via a 3rd party and she felt REALLY uneasy about that: felt like she's not teaching or working in-person and didn't want to "take" an appointment from a teacher working in front of kids.  But she went with the flow anyway.  By Thursday of the first week educators were available, her office's quartile became available, and on Friday am of that week she went to check-out appointment availability.  She found an appointment first later that same morning that was too early for her, then she found one a little after noon the same day: earlier than either of the two appointments she had scheduled outside of the VEBA system!  So, going by "the rules," she was able to get an appointment really quick, convenient and sooner than outside the system.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on March 17, 2021, 05:25:20 PM
I'm one of those "rule followers" too. There are times I really wish I wasn't but I can't break my conditioning. :D
Glad your wife got her appointment "her way". :D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 17, 2021, 05:29:43 PM
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Even odder: one weekend when Petco was closed due to lack-of-supply, I got the Moderna vax at a CVS & on the same day I know a colleague whose wife also got a vax via 'alternate.'  I wonder if there is a subset of folks who see, for example, the Petco site having to close on multiple weekends in a row, and then doesn't bother trying to get a vaccination appointment assuming SD doesn't have enough supply.



Absolutely. There are people who park themselves on MyTurn and then get upset because there are no spots, but there are plenty of spots available. They just don't know to look.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2021, 06:39:22 AM
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Mass, thanks for the offer though.
Have you seen this site? https://www.vaccinespotter.org/MA/?fbclid=IwAR1erFUh1xfbpfdRsvBkzi0jv0p2sQuAzgfjEshx3jRabcIOmHU9i-U41is

apparently there was a re-tiering of requirements yesterday <shrugs>
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: debster on March 18, 2021, 08:25:01 AM
Someone just told me one supermarket chain was offering vaccines so I decided to check it out to see if there are any around me (I’m not eligible yet but soon!). I came across our old friend Green Walking Man!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 18, 2021, 11:03:23 AM
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Have you seen this site? https://www.vaccinespotter.org/MA/?fbclid=IwAR1erFUh1xfbpfdRsvBkzi0jv0p2sQuAzgfjEshx3jRabcIOmHU9i-U41is

apparently there was a re-tiering of requirements yesterday <shrugs>
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Thanks for the link.  Unfortunately it also says there are no available appts in Mass.  :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2021, 11:35:57 AM
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Thanks for the link.  Unfortunately it also says there are no available appts in Mass.  :(
Yes but it's place to start ;)
Someone said they got an appointment through walgreens. I know it's possible to get appointments through cvs.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 18, 2021, 12:43:40 PM
CVS and Walgreens do vaccinate in Mass.  The government site covers them in Mass but it can't confirm availability for Walgreens.  They can with CVS but I have never seen anything but "currently full".  They provide a link to make a appt with Walgreens but whenever I try all I've seen is that there are no appts.  It's so different from San Diego where it hasn't been hard at all to get an appt.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2021, 02:49:45 PM
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2021, 08:18:42 PM
@chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) there was an appointment in Greenfield (in north western ma)
remember tho, the state is pretty small in the scope of things- iirc, it's 3 hr from boston to the western boarder (long wise)

the greenfield appt seemed to be still available, it's 2 hr's from boston
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 18, 2021, 09:19:31 PM
UCSD Mychart just sent me my ticket to go ahead and schedule my first vaccine dose. I was expecting it to take much longer before they sent me one and was fully anticipating needing to get it elsewhere for it to happen anytime soon. It's nice though since they have all my info already. I'll be going on Monday and luckily don't have to go all the way down to Petco.

Edit: My mum is checking tomorrow at work, she works for UCSD health, to see what vaccine it will be. It does say first dose, so it'll be pfizer or moderna, but I was curious as to which it will be.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 18, 2021, 09:32:30 PM
So I got my first dose (Moderna) this morning at a Kaiser pop-up in Westminster.  They already scheduled my second dose for mid-April.  Other than a slight feeling on my injection arm, I didn’t notice any other side effects.  I probably will tomorrow, will let you know.

My brother and sister in law got theirs (Pfizer) through Sharp in SD this week, their next ones in early April.  She felt the effects.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 18, 2021, 11:14:58 PM
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@chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) there was an appointment in Greenfield (in north western ma)
remember tho, the state is pretty small in the scope of things- iirc, it's 3 hr from boston to the western boarder (long wise)

the greenfield appt seemed to be still available, it's 2 hr's from boston

Thanks for finding that.  This is for someone in their mid 80's who is vaccine ambivalent.  So anything that's not in the neighborhood or a short cab ride away will be beyond their motivation range.  I'll just have to keep trying until I can get something local.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 19, 2021, 11:54:04 AM
24 hours later, the feeling in my injection arm (which was never painful) is gone and I don’t feel any other side effects.  My little brother’s side effects were like mine, nothing to write home about but my sister-in-law was out of it for 48 hours after her first dose.  They had Pfizer.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on March 19, 2021, 08:30:15 PM
My mum checked and it looks like at UCSD RIMAC will be using the pfizer vaccine. She also mentioned that so far there aren't tons of people signed up for Monday yet. That might change of course.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 19, 2021, 10:53:53 PM
Gov. Gavin Newsom anticipates every Californian should be able to make a vaccine appointment by the end of April.

http://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/California-vaccine-eligibility-when-my-turn-Newsom-16039960.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-CP-Spotlight
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 21, 2021, 05:01:55 PM
Petco had it's last day yesterday.  It's now closed for good.  They did their part.  I got my parents and grandma vaccinated there.  I'm grateful.  O7
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on March 21, 2021, 10:20:28 PM
We just signed a new lease and will be moving to San Francisco (from San Jose) later this spring. We weren’t really planning to, but I noticed that the rental market has completely crashed in SF city — literally everything is down 30-40% from a year ago. They’re at the point where SF rents are basically the same as anywhere else in the inner Bay Area. So we jumped on it.

If I’m not able to get the vaccine by the time we move, I may just be able to walk over to the Moscone Center since it’s only four blocks away.  :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on March 22, 2021, 06:53:46 AM
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Petco had it's last day yesterday.  It's now closed for good.  They did their part.  I got my parents and grandma vaccinated there.  I'm grateful.  O7
Glad that your parents and grandma got theirs, hopefully you will get yours soon.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2021, 10:32:03 AM
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Glad that your parents and grandma got theirs, hopefully you will get yours soon.

Thanks.  I actually got my second shot yesterday.  So far, the only effect I have is a slightly sore arm.  That's only when I'm lying on my side.  I didn't notice it at all before going to bed.  Now that I'm up, I don't notice it again.

Once again, a big shout out to Sharp.  Those guys know how to run a vaccination site.  There was absolutely no line and thus no waiting anywhere.  Of the 7 open check in desks, only 2 had people checking in including myself.  The other 5 desks had workers siting there waiting.  Once through check in, I didn't even have to slow down walking until I hit a jab desk.  Similarly, there were a lot more workers waiting to jab people than there were people to jab.  The only place there was a crowd was in the after jab waiting area.  That was pretty full and socially distanced with chairs stationed a safe distance apart.  From walking in the front door to exiting to the waiting area was 5 minutes if that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on March 22, 2021, 11:43:19 AM
In Arizona, Maricopa, Pima and Yuma counties will open to ages 16+ as of this Wednesday, March 24th.  Progress!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 22, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
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In Arizona, Maricopa, Pima and Yuma counties will open to ages 16+ as of this Wednesday, March 24th.  Progress!!
My parents recently moved to AZ Spring 2020 (got their 2nd shot last week!) and they were telling me how quickly AZ (or at least where they live, in Maricopa County) has been able to get through the 'tiers.'  They went through the state (or county?) process & got their shot at the stadium where the Cardinals play; it sounded like a relatively quick/easy process
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Post by: TardisMom on March 22, 2021, 01:37:39 PM
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My parents recently moved to AZ Spring 2020 (got their 2nd shot last week!) and they were telling me how quickly AZ (or at least where they live, in Maricopa County) has been able to get through the 'tiers.'  They went through the state (or county?) process & got their shot at the stadium where the Cardinals play; it sounded like a relatively quick/easy process

Yes, it's been handled pretty well here.  None of us went to State Farm Stadium but from what I've heard it was well run.  AZ has been vaccinating snow birds as well as residents, which is fine with me as the visitors are out and about at restaurants and all and possibly infecting the staff.  I really feel for Florida residents and the mess there. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 22, 2021, 03:07:42 PM
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Yes, it's been handled pretty well here.  None of us went to State Farm Stadium but from what I've heard it was well run.  AZ has been vaccinating snow birds as well as residents, which is fine with me as the visitors are out and about at restaurants and all and possibly infecting the staff.  I really feel for Florida residents and the mess there.
Yeah it feels like a fundamental failure of decision meeting to NOT include snowbirds: I mean, if they're in the state at this point of time, why not vaccinate them?!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 22, 2021, 05:49:41 PM
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Yeah it feels like a fundamental failure of decision meeting to NOT include snowbirds: I mean, if they're in the state at this point of time, why not vaccinate them?!

There have been some high profile cases of people doing vaccine tourism.  The first one that comes to my mind is that woman who flew up from Argentina to get vaccinated in Florida then bragged on social media about how she got the US to pay for her vaccination.  That wasn't the only case.  Canadians have been known to come down south of the border to get vaccinated.  In India, travel agents sell vaccination travel packages to get vaccinated in the US.  Let's just say this really doesn't sit well with a large portion of the population.  That's why many vaccination sites have residency requirements.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on March 22, 2021, 07:27:32 PM
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There have been some high profile cases of people doing vaccine tourism.  The first one that comes to my mind is that woman who flew up from Argentina to get vaccinated in Florida then bragged on social media about how she got the US to pay for her vaccination.  That wasn't the only case.  Canadians have been known to come down south of the border to get vaccinated.  In India, travel agents sell vaccination travel packages to get vaccinated in the US.  Let's just say this really doesn't sit well with a large portion of the population.  That's why many vaccination sites have residency requirements.

Yeh I get it, I don't like hearing those stories either and I understand the frustration.  I'm saying that specifically for AZ and the high number of winter visitors we get, I'm glad they're not getting covid and infecting restaurant workers, resort employees, etc.  There's no easy answer.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 23, 2021, 02:30:29 AM
I talked to someone earlier today who got the J&J vaccine last week. I was surprised to hear she had the more significant side effects like body aches, fever, major chills, etc. from the one dose (on par with the side effects usually heard of from the Moderna or Pfizer 2nd dose). She's in her mid-20s, essential worker. Maybe being young really kicks those side effects up a gear. She was thankful that she had the whole weekend to recover because the symptoms were severe enough to not allow her to sleep properly that first night.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on March 23, 2021, 05:18:18 AM
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There have been some high profile cases of people doing vaccine tourism.  The first one that comes to my mind is that woman who flew up from Argentina to get vaccinated in Florida then bragged on social media about how she got the US to pay for her vaccination.  That wasn't the only case.  Canadians have been known to come down south of the border to get vaccinated.  In India, travel agents sell vaccination travel packages to get vaccinated in the US.  Let's just say this really doesn't sit well with a large portion of the population.  That's why many vaccination sites have residency requirements.
Yes, when you hear about those instances, it’s understandable why people push to keep it to that state or county’s residents, but as Tardis Mom mentioned, you also want to get those people who are traveling from one state to the next so they don’t bring it back and infect others. I’m praying that a lot of those Spring Breakers that were at Miami Beach weren’t from California. At my hospital, we just got our surgery center opened again after being closed for 2 1/2 months so the staff could open a unit at the hospital to help handle the surge of patients we had and just yesterday the hospital was finally able to ease the restriction of having family accompany a patient or visiting a patient in the hospital.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 23, 2021, 05:39:02 AM
in a lot of places, residency is proved by a local bill. I may be nieve but don't snow birds have bills to pay in the winter residence?
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Post by: puppy on March 23, 2021, 08:25:48 AM
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Yes, when you hear about those instances, it’s understandable why people push to keep it to that state or county’s residents, but as Tardis Mom mentioned, you also want to get those people who are traveling from one state to the next so they don’t bring it back and infect others. I’m praying that a lot of those Spring Breakers that were at Miami Beach weren’t from California. At my hospital, we just got our surgery center opened again after being closed for 2 1/2 months so the staff could open a unit at the hospital to help handle the surge of patients we had and just yesterday the hospital was finally able to ease the restriction of having family accompany a patient or visiting a patient in the hospital.

I would like to think that the spring breakers were from the eastern half of the states. 
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Post by: TardisMom on March 23, 2021, 09:51:14 AM
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in a lot of places, residency is proved by a local bill. I may be nieve but don't snow birds have bills to pay in the winter residence?

We do have a lot of people with a second home in Phoenix, but there are also a good number who rent a place for 3-5 months and return year after year.  Plus the tourists at the resorts.  Here they're requesting a photo ID most place, I think.
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Post by: perc2100 on March 23, 2021, 10:11:22 AM
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We do have a lot of people with a second home in Phoenix, but there are also a good number who rent a place for 3-5 months and return year after year.  Plus the tourists at the resorts.  Here they're requesting a photo ID most place, I think.
My parents said all they were required to show was photo ID matching the appointment names.  They're obviously thrilled that snowbirds, and even Spring Training baseball tourists can get vaccinated (they live in Goodyear, where Cleveland & Cinci MLB clubs do their spring training, and are only about 20 mins from Peoria where San Diego & Seattle train) so, theoretically, everyone around them at least has the opportunity to be vaccinated.

In Jan. I _LOATHED_ the thought of rich people cutting in line and getting vaccinated 'out-of-turn;' nowadays, at least in CA and where my parents live (i.e. places I have information about), it seems a bit easier for folks to get vaccinated.  At this point I kind of think we're need to be in "vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible" mode.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 23, 2021, 11:42:17 AM
Side effect report 2 days after my 2nd shot.  None.  Even the ever so slight soreness at the injection side when I laid on my side was gone last night.  So in my little pod, it's 0 for 4 for side effects worth mentioning.

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I talked to someone earlier today who got the J&J vaccine last week. I was surprised to hear she had the more significant side effects like body aches, fever, major chills, etc. from the one dose (on par with the side effects usually heard of from the Moderna or Pfizer 2nd dose). She's in her mid-20s, essential worker. Maybe being young really kicks those side effects up a gear. She was thankful that she had the whole weekend to recover because the symptoms were severe enough to not allow her to sleep properly that first night.

That's probably because she already had covid, whether she knew it or not.  Some people that have had covid report side effects associated with the second dose, since for them the first dose is effectively their second dose.  That's why it's been proposed that people who have had covid only need to get 1 dose.

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At this point I kind of think we're need to be in "vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible" mode.

I think that really depends on what the local conditions are.  The first place to open it up to all with no restrictions, a town in Arizona, was quite clear why they did it.  They had vaccine.  They had the people to administer the vaccine.  They didn't have enough people willing to be vaccinated.  So they opened it up to all.  There's a large portion of the population that has vowed never to get vaccinated.  The states that have opened it up to all tend to be where a lot of those people live.  So yes, in those areas why not open it up to all instead of letting vaccine expire on the shelf.  In other areas, people that have been eligible for weeks or months still can't get an appt.  In those areas it still makes sense to have residency requirements.

Moving through tiers quickly isn't necessarily good news.  It would be if everyone in the previously tiers had gotten vaccinated.  But that isn't the case.  If it were the percentage of the population vaccinated so far should be at least double of what it currently is.  The reason some areas have moved through the tiers so quickly and are now open to all is that a large portion of their population have chosen not to get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 23, 2021, 01:47:17 PM
has anyone had an itchy bump where they were vaccinated 8 days later?

I react to everything with bumps and itches- so it's not an uncommon thing. However, it is on the exact jab spot - and it's just a little bit larger then my normal itchy bumps
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 24, 2021, 04:55:54 PM
Here are a list of businesses in Los Angeles, Orange and San Diego Counties that will have to remain completely closed even if we move up to the orange tier next week:

Concert venues
Convention centers
Festivals
Live theaters
Nightclubs
Saunas and steam rooms

Everything else not listed can be open with modifications/capacity limits.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on March 25, 2021, 12:04:02 AM
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has anyone had an itchy bump where they were vaccinated 8 days later?

I react to everything with bumps and itches- so it's not an uncommon thing. However, it is on the exact jab spot - and it's just a little bit larger then my normal itchy bumps

Yeah it's normal. I had it too with my 2nd shot. From this article:

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-arm-rash-moderna

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The newly identified side effect has been dubbed "COVID arm," but medical experts have given it a slightly more professional label: delayed cutaneous hypersensitivity, which essentially means a delayed reaction on the skin....What makes this side effect a little unusual is that it doesn't appear straight away. "Typically, it shows up 5-9 days after the first shot," Dr. Jaliman says.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 25, 2021, 06:36:56 AM
Thanks, it was just odd. I'll expect it on shot 2

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Post by: semigeekgirl on March 25, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
CA says 50+ eligible on 4/1, everyone else 4/15
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/03/25/state-expands-vaccine-eligibility-to-50-californians-starting-april-1-and-all-individuals-16-on-april-15-based-on-expected-supply-increases/

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Post by: Miss Kitty on March 25, 2021, 09:46:48 PM
Onion #2 got her shot today. Says it's a little sore, but that's it. I get mine tomorrow.

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Post by: MickeyJack on March 25, 2021, 09:51:11 PM
My state, Minnesota, just went from only 65+ to 16+ overnight. My family all are scheduled and will be able to be together for the first time in over a year in six weeks. I’m a very happy dad.


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Post by: Miss Kitty on March 25, 2021, 09:53:10 PM
That's fantastic news!!!!!

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Post by: perc2100 on March 26, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
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My state, Minnesota, just went from only 65+ to 16+ overnight. My family all are scheduled and will be able to be together for the first time in over a year in six weeks. I’m a very happy dad.


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Yea!

I've been bummed at the thought of my parents.  They moved from Columbus, OH (where both were born/raised/lived most their lives with the exception of a few years when I was first born when we lived outside of Cleveland) to AZ last spring after retiring: cross-country away from all of their life-long friends & family and the only community they've ever really known.  Their options for retiring were AZ or FL (where both sets of my grandparents retired to), and they chose AZ because it's "only" a 6 or so hour drive to/from San Diego where I live with their only grandkids (I'm an only child).  Of course, they moved only a few weeks after the world shutdown for the pandemic, and not only haven't been able to see us since moving, but had to cancel plans to go back to OH for first Thanksgiving and then Christmas.  They've made the most of it, and haven't acted too sad/disappointed the entire time, but I've been really bummed at the thought of them essentially moving to be closer to my family and then having to not only NOT see the grandkids since moving but also being away from all of their OH friends & family.
They're very excited about CA vaccinating all in a few weeks (my wife got her 2nd shot this am, and I'm getting my 2nd next Friday; our oldest, a 19 year old, will hopefully be fully vaccinated by mid-May).  They have passes to see the US Open Major golf tournament in San Diego in late June, and are anxious to see us; I'm hyped at the thought we should all be vaccinated (minus our 6 year old, of course) and be able to enjoy company again! 

Of course, I'm also kinda bummed because they live less than 10 minutes from Cleveland Indians (my original hometown MLB team), and about 20 mins from San Diego Padres (current 20+ year hometown team) Spring Training sights and I couldn't take advantage this spring.  They're house/guest rooms will likely be annual destinations for us & me + friends for future Spring Training vacations, though not this year  :(
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Post by: alyssa on March 26, 2021, 01:07:26 PM
I got to hug my mom and dad yesterday


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 26, 2021, 08:38:13 PM
UT released numbers for covid infections at one of their medical centers.  They looked at how many people got infected in not vaccinated, partially vaccinated and fully vaccinated popuations.  234 out of 8969 of the non vaccinated employees tested positive for covid, 112 out of 6144 of the partially vaccinated tested positive and 4 out of 8121 of the fully vaccinated tested positive.  1 dose helps, 2 doses help a whole lot.  A second dose is a really really good idea.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2102153
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Post by: Chris on March 27, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
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I think the last time my parents hugged me was 1982 or so.  Pretty sure that wasn't covid related.  :)
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 27, 2021, 07:00:32 PM
The only living being on this planet I have hugged during the pandemic is my little brother’s dog.  I last hugged a human on March 5, 2020.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 27, 2021, 07:02:41 PM
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I think the last time my parents hugged me was 1982 or so.  Pretty sure that wasn't covid related.  :)

Over the last year I had opportunities every day to hug my mom except our relationship is complicated.  I did give her a back rub when she got her second dose.
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Post by: perc2100 on March 27, 2021, 07:52:38 PM
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Over the last year I had opportunities every day to hug my mom except our relationship is complicated.  I did give her a back rub when she got her second dose.
I had a similar relationship w/my parents until I moved across the country shortly after getting married.  Odd how moving 2,250 miles away can do for a relationship (having grandkids also radically changed the dynamic: like, they kinda became totally different people when grand babies entered the picture, Bill Cosby was 100% correct about that one)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 31, 2021, 12:45:19 PM
Contra Costa county up in the Bay Area expanded eligibility to 16 and over yesterday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 02, 2021, 01:51:14 PM
California will allow indoor live events and performances to resume with limitations this month, the latest rules to be relaxed amid declining COVID-19 case rates and continuing vaccinations.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-02/california-indoor-events-return-covid-vaccines-tests?utm_id=26594&sfmc_id=2389486
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Post by: perc2100 on April 02, 2021, 04:06:19 PM
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California will allow indoor live events and performances to resume with limitations this month, the latest rules to be relaxed amid declining COVID-19 case rates and continuing vaccinations.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-02/california-indoor-events-return-covid-vaccines-tests?utm_id=26594&sfmc_id=2389486
I mostly really like these guidelines (though they do still seem more on the conservative side), especially the incentives for businesses to prioritize vaccinations.  I honestly think if big, popular places/events require vaccinations (not so much testing, because all that means is you didn't have COVID at that moment of testing) more of the 25% who say they're against vaccinating would get on board.  Like, say, The Padres/MLB announced that they would go to full capacity BUT would only allow attendees who have been fully vaccinated: I think that type of policy, applied broadly nationwide, would help the country. 
I get that's a slippery slope, but at this point I don't care: in CA kids need proof of vaccination to enroll in school, and as a teacher I have to get TB tests every couple years, so I don't see much of a problem.

I'll be curious to see what these guidelines look like heading into summer, presuming CA continues to kick ass with vaccination distribution & keep cases down
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 02, 2021, 04:10:01 PM
CA Governor Newsome said today (or yesterday?) that San Diego is the best county in the state for vaccinations!

I got my 2nd shot this afternoon.  It was MUCH more crowded for vaccinations than it was a month ago, though that's not too surprising.  I was about 15 minutes early this time, and after waiting a bit to check-in I was still called about 5 minutes earlier than my scheduled appointment (at the CVS in Poway once you check-in and get your card updated, you don't have to wait in a line for your shot: you merely just have to wait to get your name called, so sit down instead of waiting in a 2nd line  ;) ).  This time I was a bit more nervous, though the nurse was amazing and the shot was LESS painful to administer than the 1st.  It's taken about an hour before my arm started feeling a little sore, but now I'm off to the races.
Luckily I have a laid back weekend, so I'm not missing anything if I crash for a day or two.

Two more weeks and I'm back at the movie theater and baseball park again!!!
(and also, a MUCH needed haircut, as I'm moving into month 14 since my last)
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Post by: hikanteki on April 03, 2021, 01:57:20 AM
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CA Governor Newsome said today

No second "e" in "Newsom." (No offense, I just see an extra "e" so often that it has become a pet peeve of mine.)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 03, 2021, 08:38:56 AM
I just got back from my trip back east.
The comparison between flying over thanksgiving and last week was palpable, just night and day. Over Thanksgiving it was scary, there was a sense of dread in the air. This week it was almost joyful. Everyone was wearing masks both times.

Oddly, my mom is still reluctant to leave the house despite being fully vaccinated. I had to make a concerted effort to get her to just walk to the Doc's (a block away) or come with me & my dad to drop me off at the airport.

i get my second shot in 10 days.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on April 03, 2021, 09:27:16 AM
Make sure you've scheduled some downtime the day after...I didn't think it'd affect me that much, but whoa.
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Post by: MickeyJack on April 03, 2021, 09:28:27 AM
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Make sure you've scheduled some downtime the day after...I didn't think it'd affect me that much, but whoa.
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Post by: alyssa on April 03, 2021, 09:50:03 AM
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Make sure you've scheduled some downtime the day after...I didn't think it'd affect me that much, but whoa.
yeah, i'm doing classes from home so will be in PJ mode ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Iris on April 03, 2021, 11:01:52 AM
Got my first pfizer dose on March 26th and surprisingly (considering my vaccine reactions from the past) only had a bad headache. My second dose has been automatically scheduled for April 16th and we'll see if I get heavier side-effects then. My friend spiked a really high fever after her second pfizer dose and felt awful for a full weekend after. So, I'm just fingers-crossed at the moment.

My mum who's worked shifts at RIMAC UCSD recommended that I go early even though I could go just about anytime on my appointment day (according to her.) I nearly walked straight through, though there were a ton of people though. Apparently, it starts getting very busy around 1:30pm-2:00pm. It was very efficient with a self-timed 15 minute observation period. I stayed a bit longer to spin Pokestops because it was right in the middle of three lol.

I hope everyone gets to have their vaccines completed soon!
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 03, 2021, 01:38:27 PM
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Oddly, my mom is still reluctant to leave the house despite being fully vaccinated. I had to make a concerted effort to get her to just walk to the Doc's (a block away) or come with me & my dad to drop me off at the airport.

I think it's smart.  Even though I, and people that I commonly come in contact with are fully vaccinated with 2 doses, I still have't changed my routine much.  Really the only thing I do now that I rarely did before is go in to stores.  Somethings just can't be picked up through curbside.  I still wear a N95 mask, I still mostly wear a face shield and I still go through hand sanitizer.

Manaus is the cautionary tale.  They hit 76% of the population infected/recovered last October.  They declared themselves the first city in the world to hit herd immunity.  They dropped what little precautions they had and opened up.  It was back to business as usual.  That worked well for a few months.  Then P.1 hit.  Now Manaus is worse than it ever was.  People who believed they were immune since they already had covid weren't against P.1.  This is what that dude up at UCSF says about them and us.

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“Manaus got hit really hard because they dropped all of their mitigations, and they didn’t have an adequate state of herd immunity,” says Warner Greene, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, and founding director of Gladstone Institute of Virology and Immunology. “This false sense of security, it’s kind of like right now [in the U.S.],” he says. “I think we're gonna get hit really hard.”

I'm going to keep up with precautions until community prevalence drops.  Right now, even as more people have gotten vaccinated, cases are still high.  The holiday super surge went though but instead of continuing to decline we leveled off at the summer surge and have even risen back up a bit.
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Post by: perc2100 on April 04, 2021, 09:35:57 AM
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Oddly, my mom is still reluctant to leave the house despite being fully vaccinated. I had to make a concerted effort to get her to just walk to the Doc's (a block away) or come with me & my dad to drop me off at the airport.

I get that; I know a few folks that have massive anxiety about getting back to "normal."  My wife was told recently that her office will be starting to go back to work in-person at some point in the not-too-distant future and she is REALLY freaking out about it (even though she's 8 days post her 2nd dose and will have full vaccine efficacy by the time she has to go back in-person).  I think I felt that way too for a bit, before our students started coming back in-person, but I realized all I can do is control my little corner of the school world and try not to worry too much about the (myriad of) things outside of my own control.
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Post by: perc2100 on April 04, 2021, 09:41:54 AM
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Make sure you've scheduled some downtime the day after...I didn't think it'd affect me that much, but whoa.
Seriously!  The 1st dose for me was pretty much EZPZ, with nothing more than "a slightly sore arm."  The 2nd dose kinda kicked my butt for 36 hours or so.  I didn't have a fever, but I was exhausted and quite nauseous most of the day after (the first day, getting the shot at 3:15ish, I was just kind of tired).  I legit felt like I had a flu.

Luckily, I kind of forced myself to eat and drink a bit of gatoraid and by about 9:30/10pm I felt fine.  This am I feel great: not even much of a sore arm, to be honest.  I got hit a bit harder than my wife did, who was mostly just drowsy for the weekend she got her shot.  I was very glad I didn't have any work to catch up on and I could just crash for the weekend (though today I'm catching up on house work I likely would've done yesterday - oddly, I'm so happy to feel better I _almost_ enjoy being able to do the work).

So now I have 12 days until I feel like I can maybe go to a ballgame or go to a movie theater again!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2021, 11:22:11 AM
California to fully reopen on June 15.  Gavin just announced it.  Although, of course, they reserve the right to change that date depending on how things go.
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Post by: perc2100 on April 06, 2021, 12:51:53 PM
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California to fully reopen on June 15.  Gavin just announced it.  Although, of course, they reserve the right to change that date depending on how things go.
True! https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2021-04-06/state-tier-system-is-on-borrowed-time-should-end-june-15
Still some caveat/restrictions for large events (like conventions), but this is definitely great news.  CA currently has the lowest transmission rate in the country, and one of the highest vaccination rates in the country so I'm hoping this is a legit "light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter by the day" situation.  It's such a juxtaposition to read about how other parts of the country are going downhill and getting worse with COVID while CA (and San Diego where I live) are rocking; I sincerely hope CA can maintain all of these great trends!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2021, 01:34:05 PM
June 15th is ambitious.  That would mean that everyone would have to have their first shot, unless they are one shotting, by the end of the month.

Coming off the super surge, the positivity rate in San Diego plummeted from up high to as low as 1%.  I think currently it's around 2%.  So we are in good shape.  So good that I went against my stay at home mantra and I was out and about for about 3 hours yesterday.  I'm still wearing my mask and liberally using hand sanitizer but otherwise it was a pre-covid shopping trip.  I even got and ate food.  The one very good thing I noticed is how many more people wear masks.  Indoors, I didn't see a single person not wearing a mask.  Which is in distinct contrast to what I saw last year.  Even outdoors there seems to be high compliance now.  What a difference a different administration makes.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 06, 2021, 02:54:46 PM
Call me cynical, but I suspect that the June 15 date is not coincidental. Isn't that about the time of the gubernatorial recall election?
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 06, 2021, 07:00:49 PM
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Call me cynical, but I suspect that the June 15 date is not coincidental. Isn't that about the time of the gubernatorial recall election?

I think it will be no earlier than November but I’m sure the recall is on the back of his mind, hence June 15.  If so, that is a bad reason to announce reopening.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 07, 2021, 10:23:32 AM
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Call me cynical, but I suspect that the June 15 date is not coincidental. Isn't that about the time of the gubernatorial recall election?
I think it would be naive to think this decision (happening near the start of summer - technically 5 days before the start of summer) wasn't at least partially driven around the recall.

Don't get me wrong: CA as of a few days ago had the lowest positivity rate in the country AND the highest vaccination rate.  We're kicking butt on both of those fronts, and it's exciting to feel like the light at the end of the tunnel is indeed getting brighter by the week.

But yeah, while I don't think this is TOTALLY driven by the recall, I think there's no way it's not at least slightly driven by the recall campaign.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 07, 2021, 05:26:10 PM
Both my little brother and my sister-in-law got their second Pfizer doses this week through Sharp.  I’ll get my second Moderna dose next week.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 07, 2021, 05:55:56 PM
Finally got my first dose! Pfizer at CSU Bakersfield. They're taking anyone 16 and up for walk-ins, nothing required but an ID.
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 07, 2021, 06:01:40 PM
Just saw Costco is giving vaccines.  I picture it now: "wait...why am I scheduled for 9 separate doses?!"
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 07, 2021, 07:13:14 PM
Now that I'm fully vaccinated, I was able to go to the DMV.  It wasn't as bad as I imagined.  Except for a couple of people, everyone was very good about wearing masks.  At the back of the line everyone was social distancing at least 6 feet apart.  But the closer to the front of the line, the closer people stood to each other.  The whole process took 3.5 hours.  They really should allow the elderly to skip to the front.  One older person passed out while waiting in line outside.

I really don't understand why the DMV has the policies it has.  Instead of making it walk ins only, except for driving tests, during the pandemic it should be appts only and no walk ins.  The reason I went in was to pay my yearly registration fee.  I wasn't allowed to do it online or by phone or using the kiosk.  I had to do it in person at a field office.  But there was nothing special that happened.  The rep took my notice and my payment and that was it.  Why couldn't I have done that online?
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Post by: dolphina on April 07, 2021, 08:40:57 PM
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Finally got my first dose! Pfizer at CSU Bakersfield. They're taking anyone 16 and up for walk-ins, nothing required but an ID.
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Wow, I didn’t think they had started that demographic yet, still thought it was 50 and above, although I did hear that LA County had a lot of open appointments that weren’t being booked, maybe the counties that have unused appointments decided, what the heck, let’s just get people vaccinated


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 07, 2021, 09:49:14 PM
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Wow, I didn’t think they had started that demographic yet, still thought it was 50 and above, although I did hear that LA County had a lot of open appointments that weren’t being booked, maybe the counties that have unused appointments decided, what the heck, let’s just get people vaccinated


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Yeah, LA County (where I live) is still 50+ for eligibility, which is why I drove to Bakersfield. Apparently CSUB is has capacity for 5200 doses a day but have consistently only had about 1300 appointments. They've said that as long as that continues they'll continue to take all adult walk-ins.

Riverside County has also opened up to 16+ at all their sites, but most of them require you to be a County resident.

I mean, the flip side of this is that Kern County (where CSUB is) has a high level of vaccine hesitancy and a lower percentage of the resident population vaccinated, which sucks. But I will happily take a shot if no one wants it in Kern.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 08, 2021, 08:18:31 AM
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Now that I'm fully vaccinated, I was able to go to the DMV.  It wasn't as bad as I imagined.  Except for a couple of people, everyone was very good about wearing masks.  At the back of the line everyone was social distancing at least 6 feet apart.  But the closer to the front of the line, the closer people stood to each other.  The whole process took 3.5 hours.  They really should allow the elderly to skip to the front.  One older person passed out while waiting in line outside.

I really don't understand why the DMV has the policies it has.  Instead of making it walk ins only, except for driving tests, during the pandemic it should be appts only and no walk ins.  The reason I went in was to pay my yearly registration fee.  I wasn't allowed to do it online or by phone or using the kiosk.  I had to do it in person at a field office.  But there was nothing special that happened.  The rep took my notice and my payment and that was it.  Why couldn't I have done that online?
I had to go April 2020, and while it did indeed suck because it was a super long line, it was all masks + social distancing (and yeah, I stopped trying to find logic in DMV procedures a loooooong time ago  :P ).  Last spring, where things kept opening & closing frequently, things were way screwed up as they were still trying to reschedule stuff that had to be canceled in March when the state shut down.
Glad it wasn't too bad for ya!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 08, 2021, 09:22:52 AM
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I mean, the flip side of this is that Kern County (where CSUB is) has a high level of vaccine hesitancy and a lower percentage of the resident population vaccinated, which sucks. But I will happily take a shot if no one wants it in Kern.

That's how it works.  The areas where there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy are the areas that opened up each tier early.  Because they did have all those doses with no takers.  That is a problem with the distribution.  It isn't based on demand, it's based on population.  So even in a town where no one is wiling to get vaccinated, they still get allocations based on their population.

I'm glad you were able to get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 09, 2021, 11:17:22 AM
REALLY exciting news: https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-and-biontech-request-regulatory-agencies-expand-emergency

Pfizer is asking the FDA for EAU for the COVID vaccine for 12-15 year olds.  This could be approved in 3-4 weeks, with that age children getting the vaccine by late spring/early summer!!
As a HS teacher, this is VERY MUCH exciting news!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 10, 2021, 02:42:16 PM
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Now that I'm fully vaccinated, I was able to go to the DMV.  It wasn't as bad as I imagined.  Except for a couple of people, everyone was very good about wearing masks.  At the back of the line everyone was social distancing at least 6 feet apart.  But the closer to the front of the line, the closer people stood to each other.  The whole process took 3.5 hours.  They really should allow the elderly to skip to the front.  One older person passed out while waiting in line outside.

I really don't understand why the DMV has the policies it has.  Instead of making it walk ins only, except for driving tests, during the pandemic it should be appts only and no walk ins.  The reason I went in was to pay my yearly registration fee.  I wasn't allowed to do it online or by phone or using the kiosk.  I had to do it in person at a field office.  But there was nothing special that happened.  The rep took my notice and my payment and that was it.  Why couldn't I have done that online?

That’s weird, I’m always allowed to use the kiosk to renew my registration or go to AAA provided I bring cash.  I’ve been to my local DMV twice on unrelated matters and the longest I waited was half an hour and both times they were walk-ins.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on April 10, 2021, 10:49:08 PM
I was able to pay my annual car registration fee online. The CA DMV has an online portal at: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-registration/vehicle-registration-renewal/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 11, 2021, 10:00:38 AM
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That’s weird, I’m always allowed to use the kiosk to renew my registration or go to AAA provided I bring cash.  I’ve been to my local DMV twice on unrelated matters and the longest I waited was half an hour and both times they were walk-ins.

Normally I do pay it online.  This time though, it woudn't let me.  I talked to the DMV desk at AAA and ask if I could renew it there.  They said I would have to go to a DMV field office.  I called up the DMV and asked if I could use the kiosk.  They said I would have to pay it in person with an agent.  Thus I expected the process to be special somehow.  But it wasn't.  They asked for the notice to get the info then they asked how I wanted to pay.  That was it.  Why couldn't I have paid that online?

That's definitely not my DMV.  It's a series of lines.  The longest is the line just to talk to someone to check you in to a virtual line.  Then you go sit in your car until they text you to come back back and wait in the waiting area.  So at my DMV, a cell phone is a requirement for an office visit.  The 3.5 hour break down was 2 hours in the check in line, 1 hour in the virtual line and then finally 30 minutes in the waiting area.  I consider myself lucky that it was only 3.5 hours.  Reading the yelp reviews before I went, I expected more.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 12, 2021, 06:21:09 PM
I got my 2nd dose 5 hr's ago and so far i have not noticed any effects.

I'll post if and at what time i started feeling and reaction to the jab
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on April 12, 2021, 07:37:06 PM
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I got my 2nd dose 5 hr's ago and so far i have not noticed any effects.

I'll post if and at what time i started feeling and reaction to the jab
Tomorrow!


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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 13, 2021, 01:12:55 AM
From my brother and sister-in-law who had the second doses of Pfizer:  “ ... I felt tired, feverish, achey, almost thought I caught Covid or something, but no cough or sore throat, then the day after I felt better than normal.”  My brother said his side effects lasted a day, but his wife’s effects lasted two days.

My turn at the second Moderna dose is Thursday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 13, 2021, 08:35:37 AM
fyi
12 hrs later the arm started hurting, about a level 2
19 hrs later fog like an allergy attack, slight head ach (level 1), arm is a level 4 pain, body feels like a dead weight. No stomach or digestive involvement.
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Post by: Miclpea on April 13, 2021, 12:24:36 PM
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fyi
12 hrs later the arm started hurting, about a level 2
19 hrs later fog like an allergy attack, slight head ach (level 1), arm is a level 4 pain, body feels like a dead weight. No stomach or digestive involvement.
Sounds about right.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 13, 2021, 01:28:03 PM
21-22  hrs: fever 100, no Tylenol is being used so far.
Desire: soup and cold liquid acquired

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on April 13, 2021, 03:04:09 PM
Water, water, water.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 13, 2021, 05:03:33 PM
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Water, water, water.
I suspect had I taken this advice (which my wife gave a myriad of times during my "next day" issues), I would've had a much more OK day.  It wasn't until I...self-mediated...and then properly ate water & gatorade + ate some toast and dry cereal that I felt fine (great, actually, if I'm being honest  8) )
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 13, 2021, 08:45:24 PM
I was  able to nap this afternoon
about 31 hrs after the jab, i still had a fever of 101 & the headach was intensifying.
2 Tylenol, soup, liquids & some frozen rice
temp falling & pain receding- It's hard to say if i turned the corner or will fall back into headach&fever

does this time line sound about right to folks? obviously all our systems are different but I always find it comforting to know where i am in the process.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on April 13, 2021, 08:50:12 PM
@alyssa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) I had the 2nd dose around 10am on a Saturday and felt crummy all day Sunday until I went to bed.  I slept well that night (unlike the previous night, the night of the shot) and felt fine Monday morning. So 36 hours of ickiness, then sleep, then back to normal.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 13, 2021, 08:55:42 PM
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@alyssa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) I had the 2nd dose around 10am on a Saturday and felt crummy all day Sunday until I went to bed.  I slept well that night (unlike the previous night, the night of the shot) and felt fine Monday morning. So 36 hours of ickiness, then sleep, then back to normal.
thx, that seems to be the basic time line
I hope to sleep well tonight!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 14, 2021, 09:31:40 AM
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I was  able to nap this afternoon
about 31 hrs after the jab, i still had a fever of 101 & the headach was intensifying.
2 Tylenol, soup, liquids & some frozen rice
temp falling & pain receding- It's hard to say if i turned the corner or will fall back into headach&fever

does this time line sound about right to folks? obviously all our systems are different but I always find it comforting to know where i am in the process.
Minus the fever this sounds pretty similar to my experience last week.  Got shot #2 earlyish Friday afternoon and had the headache and nausea though Saturday evening: until around 9/9:30pm.  Took some Tylenol (and maybe threw it up) during the day and it wasn't until Saturday night that I felt like I could eat normally again.  By Sunday morning I was in the clear & my arm didn't even really bother me.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 14, 2021, 10:03:49 AM
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Minus the fever this sounds pretty similar to my experience last week.  Got shot #2 earlyish Friday afternoon and had the headache and nausea though Saturday evening: until around 9/9:30pm.  Took some Tylenol (and maybe threw it up) during the day and it wasn't until Saturday night that I felt like I could eat normally again.  By Sunday morning I was in the clear & my arm didn't even really bother me.
that's interesting. I'm at the 2day -6 hour space & still feel sluggish - not sick, Kinda like a bad allergy day

i posted my specific info so folks who haven't gone through it could have an idea of the time line and what to expect. it's nice to know i'm in the norm for reactions.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 15, 2021, 10:02:32 AM
I just got my second Moderna dose, I’m all done!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 15, 2021, 10:16:30 AM
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I just got my second Moderna dose, I’m all done!

For now.  The third dose trials have started for the 2 dose vaccines.  I expect to get an email asking us to come in for a third dose sometime this year.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 15, 2021, 11:05:45 AM
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For now.  The third dose trials have started for the 2 dose vaccines.  I expect to get an email asking us to come in for a third dose sometime this year.

Yeah, both the Brazilian and South African variants are pretty bad.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 15, 2021, 12:57:56 PM
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Yeah, both the Brazilian and South African variants are pretty bad.

Let's not forget about our own home grown variant, B.1.427.  It's a match for those.  Of course there's always something that comes along trying to one up everything else.  The Indian variant has both the UK and the California mutations.  It's known as the double mutant.

The Wuhan variant never really took hold in the US.  What did was an earlier variant from Europe.  It was that European variant that made New York the first big hot spot in the US.  That has been replaced by the UK variant in the US.  The Californian variant is the force in California.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 16, 2021, 10:34:38 AM
Overnight I had a slight fever and mild aches and just feel lousy. I took a Tylenol. I am proud to be a member of the "Mod" squad, lol. 😃
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 17, 2021, 11:43:03 AM
It’s now two days, I feel much better now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 17, 2021, 04:07:42 PM
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For now.  The third dose trials have started for the 2 dose vaccines.  I expect to get an email asking us to come in for a third dose sometime this year.
Yeah I read last week to expect that 'booster' ready by Fall sometime.
As a HS band teacher (i.e. a slightly-more-dangerous-than-most-in-the-age-of-COVID school subject), I'll gladly get a third 'poke' (and I'll be hyped if the majority of my students are also vaxxed).  I've never gotten the flu vaccine, as I generally have a pretty amazing immune system (I've been teaching now for 20+ years), and figure I'm still at an age where I don't have to seriously worry about the flu knocking me out too bad - as I get older that'll change, for sure.  But I've known folks younger and in better health than me who may have permanent damage from COVID so I have zero problems getting a booster shot annually if need-be.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Old Man Grey on April 18, 2021, 10:36:57 AM
I got 2 Pfiser shots with no side effects except the usual sore arm.  The only time I ever had a reaction was when I had 4 shots at once, flu, shingles, tetanus and pneumonia. Sick for a day.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 18, 2021, 01:18:11 PM
I guess we've returned to a semblance of normalcy.  Covid is no longer news.  It's not that it's no longer the lead but 15 minutes into the top of the hour news, covid hasn't been mentioned once.  The lead is back to mass shootings.  Which have returned to pre-covid levels, 4(reported) so far today.  While the past year was bad on some many levels, in terms of that it was the best year we've had in decades if not ever.  Which puts the hold on the J&J vaccine into perspective.  There's a greater chance that someone will be shot and killed in the US than have a bad outcome from the J&J vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on April 22, 2021, 01:17:09 PM
I had my second Moderna shot yesterday around 4pm. Arm pain started immediately. Exhaustion set in pretty quickly, and I ended up in bed by 10pm (very early for me). Woke up this morning and felt a little nauseated, with some intermittent chills, but headed off to work. Left at 11am when the nausea became overwhelming. By 11:30 I was violently shivering and didn't stop for about 3 hours. I could NOT get warm. Now it's a little after 4pm, 24 hours post-shot, and I'm back to just being exhausted. Hoping to turn in early tonight and would love to wake up feeling normal.
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Post by: Devorah on April 22, 2021, 01:29:42 PM
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I had my second Moderna shot yesterday around 4pm. Arm pain started immediately. Exhaustion set in pretty quickly, and I ended up in bed by 10pm (very early for me). Woke up this morning and felt a little nauseated, with some intermittent chills, but headed off to work. Left at 11am when the nausea became overwhelming. By 11:30 I was violently shivering and didn't stop for about 3 hours. I could NOT get warm. Now it's a little after 4pm, 24 hours post-shot, and I'm back to just being exhausted. Hoping to turn in early tonight and would love to wake up feeling normal.

Sorry to hear that...hope you feel better soon!
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Post by: iramcon on April 22, 2021, 02:01:09 PM
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I had my second Moderna shot yesterday around 4pm. Arm pain started immediately. Exhaustion set in pretty quickly, and I ended up in bed by 10pm (very early for me). Woke up this morning and felt a little nauseated, with some intermittent chills, but headed off to work. Left at 11am when the nausea became overwhelming. By 11:30 I was violently shivering and didn't stop for about 3 hours. I could NOT get warm. Now it's a little after 4pm, 24 hours post-shot, and I'm back to just being exhausted. Hoping to turn in early tonight and would love to wake up feeling normal.

I too had chills after my second Moderna shot, lasted the entire evening, however next morning felt better.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 22, 2021, 02:42:16 PM
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I had my second Moderna shot yesterday around 4pm. Arm pain started immediately. Exhaustion set in pretty quickly, and I ended up in bed by 10pm (very early for me). Woke up this morning and felt a little nauseated, with some intermittent chills, but headed off to work. Left at 11am when the nausea became overwhelming. By 11:30 I was violently shivering and didn't stop for about 3 hours. I could NOT get warm. Now it's a little after 4pm, 24 hours post-shot, and I'm back to just being exhausted. Hoping to turn in early tonight and would love to wake up feeling normal.

in my experience, when you start thinking that it might be getting better, it is ;)
it took 48 hr's from shot to feeling 95% better for me. Moderna too
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 26, 2021, 03:24:50 PM
West Virginia is giving a $100 savings bond to anyone 16-35 who get's vaccinated.  It pays to wait.  Private companies have been doing this for a while.  I wonder how big the bid will go as time goes on.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 28, 2021, 04:25:43 PM
Today, half of all San Diegans are now fully vaccinated.  70% have at least 1 dose.  The cases and positivity rate continue to drop.  We are in pretty good shape.
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Post by: perc2100 on April 28, 2021, 05:25:25 PM
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Today, half of all San Diegans are now fully vaccinated.  70% have at least 1 dose.  The cases and positivity rate continue to drop.  We are in pretty good shape.
Right on!  Up in LA they're a week away from likely going into the lowest/least restrictive tier.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on April 28, 2021, 06:13:12 PM
Getting my first dose of Super Solider Serum tomorrow.

If I do not get an adamantium/vibranium alloy shield upon my exit, I shall riot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 28, 2021, 08:19:09 PM
Got my second Pfizer dose today! Two weeks until I can hug friends again.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 29, 2021, 01:47:19 AM
Today marks exactly 14 days since I got my second dose!   :D
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 29, 2021, 01:49:43 AM
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West Virginia is giving a $100 savings bond to anyone 16-35 who get's vaccinated.  It pays to wait.  Private companies have been doing this for a while.  I wonder how big the bid will go as time goes on.

That’s a hell of a lot better and a lot more rewarding than free donuts from Krispy Kreme.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 29, 2021, 08:22:45 AM
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Getting my first dose of Super Solider Serum tomorrow.

If I do not get an adamantium/vibranium alloy shield upon my exit, I shall riot.
I think those are passed out after the SECOND dose, IIRC
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Post by: Chris on April 29, 2021, 08:55:33 AM
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I think those are passed out after the SECOND dose, IIRC

Roger that.  I probably get the crappy USAgent shield with the first shot.
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Post by: alyssa on April 29, 2021, 09:50:32 AM
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I think those are passed out after the SECOND dose, IIRC
drat, i missed that line! #grumble
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 29, 2021, 11:42:46 AM
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That’s a hell of a lot better and a lot more rewarding than free donuts from Krispy Kreme.

You got donuts?  I didn't even get that "I've been vaccinated" sticker
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on April 29, 2021, 12:06:28 PM
T-minus 1 minute since got the shot.

No super powers yet.  If I don't manifest, I'm going to throw a hissy fit.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on April 29, 2021, 12:21:48 PM
I didn’t get a $100 bond, a donut, or a shield, but I do get to live. Have to admit to being bitter about the donuts.


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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 29, 2021, 12:47:15 PM
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T-minus 1 minute since got the shot.

No super powers yet.  If I don't manifest, I'm going to throw a hissy fit.

And if they do manifest, you'll be destroying buildings when you throw that hissy fit. ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on April 29, 2021, 04:17:51 PM
Oh yeah.  I'm TOTALLY turning to a life of petty crime as soon as I manifest.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 30, 2021, 12:08:17 PM
San Diego peeps: Sharp HealthCare now taking vaccine walk-ups; 3,100 slots available Friday, Saturday https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/biotech/story/2021-04-30/sharp-healthcare-vaccine-walk-ups?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Post by: dolphina on April 30, 2021, 03:09:41 PM
I’m glad that walk up appointments seem to be available everywhere right now.


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Post by: puppy on April 30, 2021, 03:37:23 PM
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I’m glad that walk up appointments seem to be available everywhere right now.


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San Diego is amazing. They are like 70% vaccinated with one vaccine or some crazy number like that, and about 50% fully vaccinated.
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 30, 2021, 11:12:09 PM
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San Diego is amazing. They are like 70% vaccinated with one vaccine or some crazy number like that, and about 50% fully vaccinated.

Yes we are.  As a whole, San Diego County is 20% ahead of the country as a whole in terms of partially and fully vaccinated people.  But as with the country, it varies considerably depending where you are in the county.  Some cities in San Diego County are only 25% vaccinated.

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San Diego peeps: Sharp HealthCare now taking vaccine walk-ups; 3,100 slots available Friday, Saturday https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/biotech/story/2021-04-30/sharp-healthcare-vaccine-walk-ups?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I was shocked a couple of weeks ago when I was at a Sharp supersite.  I had never seen this place have a line more than 2-3 people deep.  That day they ran out of dots for people to stand on.  They put dots on the ground for people to socially distance while in line.  Until that day they were mostly unused.  That day, they ran out of dots.  The line of people just kept wrapping around.  They said their plan was to vaccinate 2400 people that day.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Pyramid on May 01, 2021, 04:55:25 AM
Fully vaccinated.  Moderna. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on May 03, 2021, 08:57:35 PM
By the way, when the vaccine took exactly one second my first thought was:  "Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing?"
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 04, 2021, 10:23:40 AM
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By the way, when the vaccine took exactly one second my first thought was:  "Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing?"
Ha; for me I was _SO_ excited to finally get that first shot, with the nurse asking all the prep questions while I was waiting, I literally said "wait, is that it?!" when she was done!  :P
The 2nd one I had some anxiety because I was worried about side-effects; I had some, but I think I mostly compounded them by not eating or drinking enough
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 04, 2021, 04:21:09 PM
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You got donuts?  I didn't even get that "I've been vaccinated" sticker

Actually, I’m like you, I didn’t get anything either.  The Krispy Kreme donuts giveaway was something I heard on the news.  It was pretty controversial. Not everybody was approving of giving the vaccinated a free sugar rush.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 04, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
L.A. and O.C. are offering walk-ins now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on May 04, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
apparently Philly is doing well, we were able to get a 21 year old a cvs appointment for tomorrow
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on May 04, 2021, 06:08:43 PM
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apparently Philly is doing well, we were able to get a 21 year old a cvs appointment for tomorrow
Yeah, it's like the floodgates opened here...all my friends that weren't part of the original group 1 (A, B, etc.) are all now signed up for their first, if not second shots.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on May 05, 2021, 09:15:51 AM
Had my first jab today. Went into London for it at the Excel centre. Normally this place hosts huge Comic-cons and such events. Weird being there for something very different. Funny to see the chutes though (which apparently are still used). (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210505/df267ffbce5df5ccff212fa2b71bc11d.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210505/d6ec525754b645788a345a4fdfea4fbd.jpg)

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 05, 2021, 11:00:36 AM
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Yeah, it's like the floodgates opened here...all my friends that weren't part of the original group 1 (A, B, etc.) are all now signed up for their first, if not second shots.

It's because pretty much everyone who wants a shot, has already gotten it.  Demand has halved since 4/11.  Now some states are no longer taking their allocation of vaccine, they just don't know what to do with it.  Supply exceeds demand.  What's left is the 30% of the population who will be hard to vaccinate.  A large portion of which have vowed not to be vaccinated.  So now there are incentives.  Target is doing the same as they do with the flu vaccine.  They'll give a $5 coupon to get vaccinated.  Considering that most people during a normal year don't get the flu vaccine, I don't think that will cut it.  We are in the carrot phase.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 05, 2021, 12:22:19 PM
You also have to consider that people who have not yet had the vaccine are those who have health concerns about it. You may not have those same concerns, but they are real to the people who have them. They won't give up their long-term health for the sake of a free donut.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on May 05, 2021, 12:39:17 PM
And even though the pace is slowing, it still is forward progress.  The more than get vaccinated the risk becomes lower.  Every little bit helps.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 05, 2021, 01:34:46 PM
Preliminary studies from Moderna show booster shots have proven to be effective against both the Brazilian and South African variants.  The test subjects were given the boosters six to eight months after their second doses.  The subjects were given either the original Moderna dose or an adjusted Moderna dose targeted against the variants.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-booster-shows-promise-against-variants-in-early-study-moderna-says-11620245114?mod=djemalertNEWS
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on May 05, 2021, 01:37:31 PM
Is anyone else concerned about probable variants from India?


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 05, 2021, 01:39:02 PM
Hospitalizations in California are at its lowest level since the pandemic started 14 months ago.  Currently, there are 1,608 Californians hospitalized, lower than the 1,617 hospitalized on March 30, 2020.  This is a big contrast to the 21,936 hospitalized at its peak on January 6, 2021.
http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-05/california-covid-19-hospitalizations-hit-promising-new-low?utm_id=28568&sfmc_id=2389486
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on May 05, 2021, 01:56:36 PM
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Is anyone else concerned about probable variants from India?


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on May 05, 2021, 02:03:05 PM
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It's because pretty much everyone who wants a shot, has already gotten it.  Demand has halved since 4/11.  Now some states are no longer taking their allocation of vaccine, they just don't know what to do with it.  Supply exceeds demand.  What's left is the 30% of the population who will be hard to vaccinate.  A large portion of which have vowed not to be vaccinated.  So now there are incentives.  Target is doing the same as they do with the flu vaccine.  They'll give a $5 coupon to get vaccinated.  Considering that most people during a normal year don't get the flu vaccine, I don't think that will cut it.  We are in the carrot phase.

If people won't be allowed to fly out of the country or cruise without a vaccine, that might help motivate some people.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on May 05, 2021, 04:22:44 PM
Kids are also included in that unvaccinated stat. Pfizer might get authorization for 12-15 year olds next week, and they said they might be ready ask for authorization down to 5 year olds by September. Every little bit helps!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 05, 2021, 09:37:15 PM
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You also have to consider that people who have not yet had the vaccine are those who have health concerns about it. You may not have those same concerns, but they are real to the people who have them. They won't give up their long-term health for the sake of a free donut.

But it's not just one free donut.  It's a free donut a day for the rest of the year!

Seriously though, what health concerns?  I'm not being judgemental, I'm genuinely curious.  There are some people who are at peril with the covid vaccine.  It's the same peril they share with most vaccines.  They are allergic to some component used to make vaccines.  That's rare.  There is that blood clot issue with one of the vaccines, but that is exceedingly rare.  Just walking on a street in the US is more dangerous to your health.  The people with these issues would be so small as to not even register on the overall numbers.

The larger populations with concerns would be people with compromised immune systems.  The concern is that there isn't enough data on those populations.  There's no reason to believe it's not safe.  There's just not enough data to definitively declare it.

Overall, the covid vaccine is very safe.  The only people I know of that are recommended not to get it are people that have severe allergies to vaccine components.

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If people won't be allowed to fly out of the country or cruise without a vaccine, that might help motivate some people.

That's the stick phase.  We are currently in the carrot phase.  The government strategy is carrot first, then stick.  But they have hinted that the stick will come if the carrot doesn't work.  Things like preferential treatment at the airport is one thing.  It doesn't even have to be an outright ban.  It can be that if you are vaccinated you slide through security quickly.  If you aren't vaccinated, you have to show up to the airport 5 hours early to get a covid test before you can fly.

Private companies will probably use the stick first.  They will limit who they serve based on vaccination status.  That strategy has been quite effective in other countries with other precautions.  No mask, no service.  If you have positive covid test, come back later.  Other countries have or are making digital vaccine passports for this purpose.  We are sticking with a piece of paper with some scribbles on it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 06, 2021, 08:30:58 PM
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Seriously though, what health concerns?  I'm not being judgemental, I'm genuinely curious.  There are some people who are at peril with the covid vaccine.  It's the same peril they share with most vaccines.  They are allergic to some component used to make vaccines.  That's rare.  There is that blood clot issue with one of the vaccines, but that is exceedingly rare.  Just walking on a street in the US is more dangerous to your health.  The people with these issues would be so small as to not even register on the overall numbers.

Those are not the health concerns. The health concerns are twofold. First of all, more people have died as a result of taking the COVID vaccine (all types) than have died from all other vaccines combined over the past 15 years. And those stats are from the VAERS database, which is known for being a poor source because it undercounts deaths and adverse reactions. The real issue though is that this vaccine was rushed. The people who don't want the vaccine are for the most part NOT anti-vaxxers. Most of them have gotten other vaccines. But those vaccines were tested for 2-4 years before being approved, which gave enough data to measure long-term side effects. There are studies out there (which are being suppressed in the US) showing that there are likely to be long-term adverse health effects, including significant increased susceptibility to future SARS-type diseases (and you know that these will come... COVID is hardly the first disease to come from a SARS virus). Now all of this is so far unknown, because obviously we haven't been through a proper flu season with a bunch of vaccinated people. But that's the point: we don't know. Maybe there isn't a problem. If so, then the majority of people who don't want the vaccine now will voluntarily take it in a couple of years, after this has been shown. But if there is a possible problem, these people don't want to be the guinea pigs in what is essentially the largest vaccine test in history.

I understand that you do not agree with this point of view, but this is the way the vaccine resistors think. The sad thing is, many of these people might be convinced with a proper scientific debate, where medical personnel on both sides (and there are actually many respected doctors and scientists who do not want the vaccine) go through data and studies. But two-sided debate does not exist in this country any longer. Anyone who speaks out about potential problems with the vaccine is silenced or canceled. This makes those who are already hesitant MORE scared. Lack of free speech is the real disconnect here. People think that if those with differing information are being canceled, then there is something being hidden. That's the biggest fear: what is the government hiding? And if they're not hiding anything, why won't they address those who are not eager to take the vaccine? (And no, Obama making a PSA assuring everyone that the vaccine is 'safe' does not assuage any of their fears.)

So there's your answer. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I do think it helps in any situation to understand how the other side thinks, and why they hold their opposing viewpoint. That's how productive discussions (and ultimately, productive resolutions) are reached.

If you want people to take the vaccine, the answer is not the carrot or the stick. The answer is to have a free and open discussion where there is actual proof that the vaccine is 'harmless', and all points of view and all medical studies are discussed and evaluated equally.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 07, 2021, 12:29:28 AM
Thanks for your response.  You've aptly characterized the challenge with the vaccine hesitant.  I am familiar with those arguments.  When polled the reasons the hesitant gave were mostly based on misinformation.  The one reason that wasn't was they didn't want to experience vaccine side effects.  Even there, I think too much has been made of possibly trading a couple of days of feeling under the weather for protection against a potentially fatal disease.  Otherwise their reasons were based on falsehoods that have always been common about vaccines such as the vaccine might give you covid.  That's impossible.

Some people look at raw data, the VAERS database for example, and draw erroneous conclusions.  That's a database anyone can report into.  That data has to be vetted and analyzed to be meaningful.  Just because someone died who was vaccinated, doesn't mean that the vaccine was the cause of their death.  Eventually we will all die, does that mean the vaccine caused it?  The CDC has looked at those reports and to date have found no link.  When they do find a link, even if it's exceeding rare, they take action.  That's exactly the case with clotting and the J&J vaccine.  Even with a 1 in a 1,000,000 chance of a problem, they paused the vaccine.  In lieu of posting more on this particular issue, I will simply post a video of Dr. Gupta answering this very question.  The look on his face says more than anything I can say here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os6b8LnoUSE

I do disagree that there hasn't been proper scientific debate.  There has.  The majority of people in science are on the same page.  As with climate change, there are dissenters.  Some people use the views of the few to cancel the views of the many.

Misinformation is the struggle of our time.  It's not a recent development.  We have been sliding down this path for decades.  The challenge with the covid vaccine hesitant is the same anti-vaxxer struggle that's been happening and growing for a long time.  Diseases which were once effectively eliminated are making a comeback because people refuse to get vaccinated.  I don't think it will be any different with covid.  I've had far too many conversations that end when someone says that even if everything I say is true, they don't care.  They won't be won over.  Faith doesn't fall easily to facts.

I think all the talk about herd immunity and ridding ourselves of covid were and are unrealistic here in the US.  I've been of the opinion that covid, in the US, will be with us for the foreseeable future.  Which will have consequences that will go beyond the disease.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 07, 2021, 09:50:52 AM
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But it's not just one free donut.  It's a free donut a day for the rest of the year!

Seriously though, what health concerns?  I'm not being judgemental, I'm genuinely curious.  There are some people who are at peril with the covid vaccine.  It's the same peril they share with most vaccines.  They are allergic to some component used to make vaccines.  That's rare.  There is that blood clot issue with one of the vaccines, but that is exceedingly rare.  Just walking on a street in the US is more dangerous to your health.  The people with these issues would be so small as to not even register on the overall numbers.

The larger populations with concerns would be people with compromised immune systems.  The concern is that there isn't enough data on those populations.  There's no reason to believe it's not safe.  There's just not enough data to definitively declare it.

Overall, the covid vaccine is very safe.  The only people I know of that are recommended not to get it are people that have severe allergies to vaccine components.

That's the stick phase.  We are currently in the carrot phase.  The government strategy is carrot first, then stick.  But they have hinted that the stick will come if the carrot doesn't work.  Things like preferential treatment at the airport is one thing.  It doesn't even have to be an outright ban.  It can be that if you are vaccinated you slide through security quickly.  If you aren't vaccinated, you have to show up to the airport 5 hours early to get a covid test before you can fly.

Private companies will probably use the stick first.  They will limit who they serve based on vaccination status.  That strategy has been quite effective in other countries with other precautions.  No mask, no service.  If you have positive covid test, come back later.  Other countries have or are making digital vaccine passports for this purpose.  We are sticking with a piece of paper with some scribbles on it.
I literally had a 'discussion' with a gentleman idiot who said he wasn't getting vaccinated because he was careful about what he put in his body.  While he was smoking a cigarette; and holding a bottle of Diet Coke.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 07, 2021, 11:45:31 AM
If some people feel uncomfortable getting a Covid-19 vaccine because it only has emergency authorization and not full authorization, I’m not going to begrudge them.  What I didn’t appreciate was when a bunch of anti-vaccine protestors tried to block people from getting the vaccine at Dodger Stadium a couple of months ago.

The FDA normally does not rush through vaccine approval.  Just that we are dealing with a disease that has already killed 580,000 Americans in 14 months.  This is the second-worst worldwide pandemic in recent memory just after the 1918-19 flu pandemic.  With that in mind and speaking for myself, I did not have an issue getting the vaccine because the alternative would be to stay home and stay away from people which I have already done for 14 months and I don’t want to continue living like that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on May 07, 2021, 12:16:25 PM
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Those are not the health concerns. The health concerns are twofold. First of all, more people have died as a result of taking the COVID vaccine (all types) than have died from all other vaccines combined over the past 15 years. And those stats are from the VAERS database, which is known for being a poor source because it undercounts deaths and adverse reactions. The real issue though is that this vaccine was rushed. The people who don't want the vaccine are for the most part NOT anti-vaxxers. Most of them have gotten other vaccines. But those vaccines were tested for 2-4 years before being approved, which gave enough data to measure long-term side effects. There are studies out there (which are being suppressed in the US) showing that there are likely to be long-term adverse health effects, including significant increased susceptibility to future SARS-type diseases (and you know that these will come... COVID is hardly the first disease to come from a SARS virus). Now all of this is so far unknown, because obviously we haven't been through a proper flu season with a bunch of vaccinated people. But that's the point: we don't know. Maybe there isn't a problem. If so, then the majority of people who don't want the vaccine now will voluntarily take it in a couple of years, after this has been shown. But if there is a possible problem, these people don't want to be the guinea pigs in what is essentially the largest vaccine test in history.

I understand that you do not agree with this point of view, but this is the way the vaccine resistors think. The sad thing is, many of these people might be convinced with a proper scientific debate, where medical personnel on both sides (and there are actually many respected doctors and scientists who do not want the vaccine) go through data and studies. But two-sided debate does not exist in this country any longer. Anyone who speaks out about potential problems with the vaccine is silenced or canceled. This makes those who are already hesitant MORE scared. Lack of free speech is the real disconnect here. People think that if those with differing information are being canceled, then there is something being hidden. That's the biggest fear: what is the government hiding? And if they're not hiding anything, why won't they address those who are not eager to take the vaccine? (And no, Obama making a PSA assuring everyone that the vaccine is 'safe' does not assuage any of their fears.)

So there's your answer. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I do think it helps in any situation to understand how the other side thinks, and why they hold their opposing viewpoint. That's how productive discussions (and ultimately, productive resolutions) are reached.

If you want people to take the vaccine, the answer is not the carrot or the stick. The answer is to have a free and open discussion where there is actual proof that the vaccine is 'harmless', and all points of view and all medical studies are discussed and evaluated equally.

you are not starting an argument ;)

The problem with scientific studies is that they are not created equal, some scientists develop the premise of their study & the logic is flawed. Yet it seems logical to the layperson. Those studies don't carry the same weight as a more rigorous logic & methodology. I'm not saying all the contradictory studies are this way but it bares keeping in mind. For example, a study with 100,000 people vs one with 100 produces better statistical numbers. 
But that 100 person study gets promoted even tho it's not valid. This happens on both sides. Climate change deniers/anti-child hood vacers/BigFoot believers/Area 51, etc all

i understand not wanting to be a guinea pig for the new vaxx technology. However, each passing day is one step on the road for that study. The general population started to get vaxxed on 12/14/20, that's 6 months ago. I've heard about a couple of blood clots & a handful of reactions. Are they're more? if so That perhaps a doz deaths per 1,000,000 (in the US) - does that sound right to folks?

I literally can not stand spin artists on either side - they both drive me crazy with their selective truth.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on May 07, 2021, 12:19:20 PM
Wait, what? There's no Bigfoot??
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 07, 2021, 08:03:10 PM
Pfizer announced today they will apply to the FDA for full authorization and Moderna is expected to follow suit in a few weeks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/world/pfizer-vaccine.html?searchResultPosition=3
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 08, 2021, 02:05:32 PM
This is really cool:
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San Diego schools offer COVID vaccine clinics to get students, teenagers vaccinated
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/education/story/2021-05-08/san-diego-schools-offer-covid-vaccine-clinics-in-push-to-get-students-teenagers-vaccinated
Bravo to Sweetwater Unified HS District & SD Unified School District setting up vaccine clinics for their students/community!

(note: neither are the districts I work for so no self-promotion here - as an instrumental music teacher I would love for ALL of my students to get vaccinated and sincerely hope my district does this too  :P )
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on May 10, 2021, 09:21:39 AM
My Granddaughter got her second Pfizer dose on Saturday ;D
Only side effects were the sore arm and Sunday morning a very low fever which was gone by noon.
I'm a very happy Grandma :D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 10, 2021, 02:31:21 PM
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) just authorized emergency use of the Pfizer vaccine for adolescents between 12-15.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/10/coronavirus-vaccine-for-kids
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 10, 2021, 06:03:07 PM
In a surprise today, Governor Newsom announced that California ran a $76 billion dollar budget surplus this last year.  It was projected to run a $50 billion deficit due to the costs of fighting the pandemic, fighting history wildfires and dealing with historic protests.  Some of the money will be returned to taxpayers and some of it will be used to help people hit hard by the pandemic to pay off expenses like back rent.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on May 11, 2021, 09:41:46 AM
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In a surprise today, Governor Newsom announced that California ran a $76 billion dollar budget surplus this last year.  It was projected to run a $50 billion deficit due to the costs of fighting the pandemic, fighting history wildfires and dealing with historic protests.  Some of the money will be returned to taxpayers and some of it will be used to help people hit hard by the pandemic to pay off expenses like back rent.

hmmm...

Who's doing the accounting here...Forrest Gump?  I'm always suspicious of government book keeping.  How does a projected $50 billion deficit 'magically' turn into a $76 billion dollar surplus when you've shut down revenue generators (small businesses, conventions, disney land, tourism, etc).  I wish it were all true, but I'm not buying it.   
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 11, 2021, 10:50:43 AM
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hmmm...

Who's doing the accounting here...Forrest Gump?  I'm always suspicious of government book keeping.  How does a projected $50 billion deficit 'magically' turn into a $76 billion dollar surplus when you've shut down revenue generators (small businesses, conventions, disney land, tourism, etc).  I wish it were all true, but I'm not buying it.
I thought this too for a minute, but it's not as simple as just a "we have a surplus!"  last spring/early summer when the state did their budget, they had to literally prepare two budgets: the "doomsday scenario" of Trump winning with the thought of cut spending, and the 'we're saved!" scenario of Biden winning with the _hope_ that he would quickly enact more COVID relief.
Because the state had to submit their final budget well before the election (summer 2020), they went with the doomsday scenario budget of lots of cuts and wracking-up a deficit.
But then...
1) Biden won and quickly got the state significantly more money (about $25 billion was from Federal COVID relief money)
2) taxes (especially business taxes) FAR exceeded what they originally planned for (about $50 billion more)

So really, CA state Gov. planned for the absolute worst-case scenario on paper and the absolute best-case scenario played out: Federal relief money + far better state tax revenue than they thought.  Remember that CA makes a significant amount of money from the Entertainment Industry + Tech companies.  We all know tech companies thrived throughout the pandemic, and looking at streaming services we also know the film/TV industry mostly didn't shut down anywhere near as long as, say, restaurants or amusement parks (remember the many social media vids last summer/early fall of restaurant owners upset that film and TV productions had setup locations near their businesses while they were closed).

Of course, if you're a bit cynical (as I am) you can also add in "Newsome is trying to save his butt from being recalled in the fall," which absolutely plays a part in the "we're giving away a lot of money to Californians!" into this mix.  This isn't necessarily the _full_ story but it seems unlikely the recall isn't at least a part of this financial spending.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 11, 2021, 10:53:53 AM
My 19 year old got their 2nd shot this am; everyone in our family currently eligible for vaccines is now fully vaccinated (or to be precise the 19 year old will be fully vaccinated w/full efficacy two weeks from today)!!

Now we just have to wait for our 6 year old: we're hoping by the start of the school year...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 11, 2021, 11:27:14 AM
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Of course, if you're a bit cynical (as I am) you can also add in "Newsome is trying to save his butt from being recalled in the fall," which absolutely plays a part in the "we're giving away a lot of money to Californians!" into this mix.  This isn't necessarily the _full_ story but it seems unlikely the recall isn't at least a part of this financial spending.

It doesn't have anything to do with the recall.  It's California law.  The state has had to do this before.  By law, once a surplus breaches a certain point, the state has to return those funds to the citizens.  Newsom literally has no choice in the matter.

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hmmm...

Who's doing the accounting here...Forrest Gump?  I'm always suspicious of government book keeping.  How does a projected $50 billion deficit 'magically' turn into a $76 billion dollar surplus when you've shut down revenue generators (small businesses, conventions, disney land, tourism, etc).  I wish it were all true, but I'm not buying it.

It's all public record.  There's no nefarious ploy at play.  How can there be?  Where is California getting money to return back to the citizens?  California can't print dollars.  It doesn't have a big stash of money somewhere.  The law prohibits that.  That's why it has to return the money to it's citizens once the surplus goes above a certain point.  It comes from tax revenue.

The explanation is simple.  The economy didn't shut down nearly as much as anticipated.  While it's tragic that a local restaurant has been closed for a year, that doesn't represent the entire economy.  Much of the economy didn't just stay open, it thrived during the last year.  The digital stay at home economy did just that.  The innovation economy makes up a large part of the California economy.  More than just about any other economy in the world.  More than countries that are synonymous with technology like China and Japan.

This last year showed that a digital stay at home economy does work.  Well established blockbuster companies like Apple and Facebook are based in California.  Upstarts like Zoom are based in California.  Older pedestrian companies like Adobe and Ebay are based in California.  All did really well during the pandemic.  They generated a lot of tax revenue for the state both directly or indirectly.  They pay their employees high wages.  California has high taxes.  High wages plus high taxes means a lot of tax revenue.

It's not only tech, many other parts of the California economy also boomed.  For example, real estate and construction had a really good year.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 11, 2021, 05:58:31 PM
California will begin administering the Pfizer vaccine to adolescents 12-15 starting this Thursday, May 13.
http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-11/covid-19-vaccine-appointments-for-adolescents-could-become-available-by-thursday-in-california?utm_id=28943&sfmc_id=2389486
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 12, 2021, 06:31:58 PM
San Diego dropped under 1% positivity rate today.  Only 94 new positive tests.  So low that I celebrated by getting ice cream for the first time in over a year.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 12, 2021, 09:30:32 PM
The State of Ohio is offering five adults a million dollars each and five teenagers college scholarships if they get vaccinated.  The lucky people will be selected in a lottery.

http://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/05/12/ohio-vax-million-covid-19-vaccinations-cash-college-scholarships/5059433001
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 13, 2021, 11:21:02 AM
Does no mask outdoors plus no mask indoors mean no masks anymore?  That's the recommendation for people that are fully vaccinated.  This has been the call for the ultimate carrot.  Tell the mask resistant that if they vaccinate then they won't be hassled about wearing a mask anymore.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on May 13, 2021, 12:13:48 PM
This is happening even faster than we at Microsoft introduce new stuff to the cloud! :D

I wonder how these quick changes will affect those already-announced cons, and/or, those that had planned in-person.  For example: I bet NYCC was already thinking about rules and such for social distancing and all that.  With these newest changes, I wonder how that'll change con organizers plans...

Good news tho...to the earlier point...get vaccinated, no mask required. Crazy times.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 13, 2021, 12:31:02 PM
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Does no mask outdoors plus no mask indoors mean no masks anymore?  That's the recommendation for people that are fully vaccinated.  This has been the call for the ultimate carrot.  Tell the mask resistant that if they vaccinate then they won't be hassled about wearing a mask anymore.
Remember, that's a CDC RECOMMENDATION and ultimately states set their own mandates.  States are technically allowed to have stricter guidelines than the CDC (and we've seen some states thumb their nose at the CDC and enact loser mandates anyway).  For example, CA has slightly stricter mandates for schools than the CDC.

Also, remember that private businesses can make their own rules (like, I can sit in my yard without a shirt and shoes but can't go into Target that way).  Some businesses can still keep mask mandates if they feel that's what's best for their staff & customers.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 13, 2021, 01:01:40 PM
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This is happening even faster than we at Microsoft introduce new stuff to the cloud! :D

I wonder how these quick changes will affect those already-announced cons, and/or, those that had planned in-person.  For example: I bet NYCC was already thinking about rules and such for social distancing and all that.  With these newest changes, I wonder how that'll change con organizers plans...

Good news tho...to the earlier point...get vaccinated, no mask required. Crazy times.
Yeah businesses and sports teams are already making vaccination a requirement, or at least, opening up more possibilities if vaccinated.  That may be the next step in easing organizational burden (i.e. organizers of large events) + giving better access to attendees.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 13, 2021, 01:43:31 PM
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Also, remember that private businesses can make their own rules (like, I can sit in my yard without a shirt and shoes but can't go into Target that way).  Some businesses can still keep mask mandates if they feel that's what's best for their staff & customers.

Not just businesses, the government mask ban is still on for public transportation.  So people will still need to mask up to fly through September.  They've already said that this can lead to even more fights on planes.  People will be embolden to not wear masks.

The recommendation is good on an individual level.  It's a nightmare for any organization.  How will they be able to tell who is vaccinated?  Now anyone who doesn't want to wear a mask can just say they are vaccinated whether they are or not.  I don't think businesses want to require and check vaccination cards at the door.  I really wish the US had kept up with parts of the world that have implemented automated checks at the door.  There are places where when someone enters any business, their temperature and status is checked.

The easiest thing for most businesses to do right now is to keep requiring masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on May 13, 2021, 02:55:08 PM
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The State of Ohio is offering five adults a million dollars each and five teenagers college scholarships if they get vaccinated.  The lucky people will be selected in a lottery.

http://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/05/12/ohio-vax-million-covid-19-vaccinations-cash-college-scholarships/5059433001
As someone who lives in Ohio, I hope this has the desired effect of incentivizing getting the vaccine. At this point everyone who wants it has gotten it. You can get an appt anytime and anywhere. We just have such a large portion of the population that refuses.

I’ll let you all know if I win the lotto, though! One in a million chance at the moment, almost SDCC odds ;)


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on May 13, 2021, 11:48:29 PM
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Remember, that's a CDC RECOMMENDATION and ultimately states set their own mandates.  States are technically allowed to have stricter guidelines than the CDC (and we've seen some states thumb their nose at the CDC and enact loser mandates anyway).  For example, CA has slightly stricter mandates for schools than the CDC.

Also, remember that private businesses can make their own rules (like, I can sit in my yard without a shirt and shoes but can't go into Target that way).  Some businesses can still keep mask mandates if they feel that's what's best for their staff & customers.

I think the concern for some small businesses is that if they still require masks in their stores, you'll have more anti-mask people refusing to patronize these businesses and they'll lose money. Once these stores give in on enforcing mask wear, you'll then have the more paranoid or pro-mask people also refuse to patronize the stores too since they don't want to be stuck in small spaces with non-maskers. It's going to be a no-win situation for small businesses.

I'm also a little puzzled by the new CDC stance on not needing to wear masks, in particular public indoor settings. I understand there are exceptions but did we suddenly figure out that the current vaccines protect against the variants now? All the news articles about the Brazilian variant or the South African variant were just paranoia and we don't need to worry about them anymore? I don't recall any definitive studies showing any conclusions yet.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 14, 2021, 12:49:02 AM
Los Angeles County will not be following the CDC’s relaxed guidelines on masks.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-13/fully-vaccinated-people-can-stop-wearing-masks-inside-most-places-except-in-crowds-cdc-says
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 14, 2021, 12:51:39 AM
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As someone who lives in Ohio, I hope this has the desired effect of incentivizing getting the vaccine. At this point everyone who wants it has gotten it. You can get an appt anytime and anywhere. We just have such a large portion of the population that refuses.

I’ll let you all know if I win the lotto, though! One in a million chance at the moment, almost SDCC odds ;)

Good luck!  I wish California offered this at the beginning!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: ebear on May 14, 2021, 09:43:40 AM
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Good luck!  I wish California offered this at the beginning!

Same here!  It’s better than the taxpayer funded handout Newsom is giving to everyone  to stay in power.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on May 14, 2021, 10:05:47 AM
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Good luck!  I wish California offered this at the beginning!
I have a friend who lives in Ohio and was upset since she got her vaccine a couple months ago, said she could use a million dollars
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on May 14, 2021, 10:28:39 AM
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Los Angeles County will not be following the CDC’s relaxed guidelines on masks.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-13/fully-vaccinated-people-can-stop-wearing-masks-inside-most-places-except-in-crowds-cdc-says

For Now...   :)

This time last year they were 'projecting' it would take 18 months just to develop a vaccine.

Two months ago in my state, people were struggling to schedule an appointment for a vaccine.  Now you can pretty much just walk into a site without an appointment.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 14, 2021, 11:37:18 AM
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Los Angeles County will not be following the CDC’s relaxed guidelines on masks.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-05-13/fully-vaccinated-people-can-stop-wearing-masks-inside-most-places-except-in-crowds-cdc-says

Which is the same pretty much everywhere right now.  The exception being federal land.  The way it works is the states consider the federal recommendations and then issue their own.  Then counties issue theirs based on the state's.  Normally this takes a few days.  In California though, we may just wait until June 15th since the state was already scheduled to drop pretty much all restrictions on that date anyways. Businesses would appreciate it since many have already expressed concern about the quickness of the policy change.  Many have said that they will continue to have their own mask requirements for a while.  They could use the cover.  Although at my Target the big public safety notice posted out front now is about the prohibition on Pokemon cards.

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I'm also a little puzzled by the new CDC stance on not needing to wear masks, in particular public indoor settings. I understand there are exceptions but did we suddenly figure out that the current vaccines protect against the variants now? All the news articles about the Brazilian variant or the South African variant were just paranoia and we don't need to worry about them anymore? I don't recall any definitive studies showing any conclusions yet.

The study came out a while ago.  I've talked about it before.  It was a study following thousands of vaccinated health care workers.

The irony is that yesterday when the CDC announced this new policy, the Yankees announced that 8 members of the team who had been vaccinated tested positive for covid.  Breakthroughs are thought to be rare.  But having so many people in a small bubble taking precautions seem to show otherwise.  My guess is that breakthroughs are common.  It's just that testing is down overall but testing is pretty non-existent among vaccinated people so we don't know.  The Yankees routinely test so that's why they found it.  Even though they test positive, they either have no symptoms or very mild symptoms so their viral load is probably not enough for them to be spreaders.  Which is what the CDC concluded yesterday.  Even if someone vaccinated catches covid, they probably won't be able to spread it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on May 14, 2021, 02:50:40 PM
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I have a friend who lives in Ohio and was upset since she got her vaccine a couple months ago, said she could use a million dollars
Any adult in Ohio who gets their first shot prior to the drawing can win, whether they got the shot the day before or in January. The pool is just all adults (well, registered voters plus non voters who register for the drawing), they will draw a winner, and if that person is vaccinated, they win. So your friend can still win


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 14, 2021, 03:26:11 PM
Wal-Mart will no longer require associates and shoppers to wear masks.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-businesses-arent-budging-on-face-masks-for-now-11621013596?mod=djemalertNEWS
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 14, 2021, 06:39:04 PM
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Wal-Mart will no longer require associates and shoppers to wear masks.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-businesses-arent-budging-on-face-masks-for-now-11621013596?mod=djemalertNEWS

Only if they are vaccinated.  Unvaccinated associates and shoppers are still being asked to wear a mask.  Also it's dependent on local rules.  Federal > state > county > city > business.  Any rule in that chain takes precedence.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on May 14, 2021, 11:41:26 PM
It's laughable to think that non-vaccinated people will continue wearing masks if vaccinated people don't have to. Most of the anti-vaxxers are anti-mask anyway. If the CDC thinks the variants are harmless for the vaccinated, I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 15, 2021, 01:08:10 AM
I don't think anyone really thinks that the anti-maskers will suddenly become vaxxers.  If they think it's a hoax and thus they don't wear a mask, why would they get a shot?  There are also no plans to enforce masking for the unvaccinated.  Walmart flat out says that it's not even going to ask.  It's the honor system.  The anti-maskers have already shown they aren't honorable.  They didn't wear a mask when they got flack for it, why would they wear a mask now that they've won?

Which is the point.  We've been working up to this for a while now.  The talk of herd immunity has faded.  It's been replaced with covid being endemic.  What the CDC did yesterday was not a declaration of victory.  It was giving up.  For the most part, the people who are willing to get vaccinated have been vaccinated.  Most of the remaining aren't willing.  Nothing's going to change that.  There have been enough studies done, including on the variants, to conclude that the vaccines work well enough.  The vaccinated have a high degree of protection.  So we'll have two populations in the US.  The vaccinated and the infected.  It's up to each person to decide which group they want to be in.  Personally, I'm going to keep masking in public for the foreseeable future.  No variant has yet to reduce the effectiveness of that.  Which is as effective as any vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on May 15, 2021, 02:33:55 PM
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I don't think anyone really thinks that the anti-maskers will suddenly become vaxxers.  If they think it's a hoax and thus they don't wear a mask, why would they get a shot?  There are also no plans to enforce masking for the unvaccinated.  Walmart flat out says that it's not even going to ask.  It's the honor system.  The anti-maskers have already shown they aren't honorable.  They didn't wear a mask when they got flack for it, why would they wear a mask now that they've won?

Which is the point.  We've been working up to this for a while now.  The talk of herd immunity has faded.  It's been replaced with covid being endemic.  What the CDC did yesterday was not a declaration of victory.  It was giving up.  For the most part, the people who are willing to get vaccinated have been vaccinated.  Most of the remaining aren't willing.  Nothing's going to change that.  There have been enough studies done, including on the variants, to conclude that the vaccines work well enough.  The vaccinated have a high degree of protection.  So we'll have two populations in the US.  The vaccinated and the infected.  It's up to each person to decide which group they want to be in.  Personally, I'm going to keep masking in public for the foreseeable future.  No variant has yet to reduce the effectiveness of that.  Which is as effective as any vaccine.

Three populations: vaccinated, infected, and dead.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on May 15, 2021, 02:35:04 PM
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It's laughable to think that non-vaccinated people will continue wearing masks if vaccinated people don't have to. Most of the anti-vaxxers are anti-mask anyway. If the CDC thinks the variants are harmless for the vaccinated, I guess we'll see.

I'll keep masking indoors. Don't want to be among the first vaccinated people here to catch a variant.

I don't know who at the CDC is dreaming that this new announcement will encourage anyone to get a vaccine. My only hope is that some of those people are contrarians. Maybe if the CDC says they have to stop wearing masks, they'll start wearing them to protect their right to wear them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 15, 2021, 03:08:45 PM
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Which is the same pretty much everywhere right now.  The exception being federal land.  The way it works is the states consider the federal recommendations and then issue their own.  Then counties issue theirs based on the state's.  Normally this takes a few days.  In California though, we may just wait until June 15th since the state was already scheduled to drop pretty much all restrictions on that date anyways. Businesses would appreciate it since many have already expressed concern about the quickness of the policy change.  Many have said that they will continue to have their own mask requirements for a while.  They could use the cover.  Although at my Target the big public safety notice posted out front now is about the prohibition on Pokemon cards.

The study came out a while ago.  I've talked about it before.  It was a study following thousands of vaccinated health care workers.

The irony is that yesterday when the CDC announced this new policy, the Yankees announced that 8 members of the team who had been vaccinated tested positive for covid.  Breakthroughs are thought to be rare.  But having so many people in a small bubble taking precautions seem to show otherwise.  My guess is that breakthroughs are common.  It's just that testing is down overall but testing is pretty non-existent among vaccinated people so we don't know.  The Yankees routinely test so that's why they found it.  Even though they test positive, they either have no symptoms or very mild symptoms so their viral load is probably not enough for them to be spreaders.  Which is what the CDC concluded yesterday.  Even if someone vaccinated catches covid, they probably won't be able to spread it.
About the Yankees thing:
* 1/8 had (mild) symptoms, the rest asymptomatic.
* 50ish are on the Yankees travel staff
* they all had the J&J vaccine which has LESS efficacy than the Moderna & Phizer (about 66% vs 94-95%)
* most of those who tested positive were staff or coaches, and spent quite a bit of time together in a tiny, poorly ventilated indoor office during a rain delay
* Yankees have 85%ish of their travel staff (players, coaches, support staff) vaccinated

So, one could make the conclusions:
* the vaccine 100% did its job here: minimal to zero symptoms w/0 hospitalization or fatalities
* roughly 16% of the travel staff became infected even though anyone who watches an MLB game knows how close the players & coaches are in a dugout throughout a game
* this would've likely been MUCH worse a year ago, or if more folks were unvaccinated

Even crazier than the amount of 'breakthrough' infections is one of them, a player, was vaccinated AND infected w/COVID last season!

As you said, the lack of positive test rates in vaccinated folks is likely because testing is still not great throughout US + lack of symptoms.  I read that study, as well as other data CDC has collected, and many of those that tested positive did so because they HAD to take the test, not because they were sick and got tested.  For example, my wife has to get tested every 2 weeks to go to her office in person.  It seems entirely plausible that given all evidence so far the vaccines are AMAZING and working as expected
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 15, 2021, 03:15:18 PM
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It's laughable to think that non-vaccinated people will continue wearing masks if vaccinated people don't have to. Most of the anti-vaxxers are anti-mask anyway. If the CDC thinks the variants are harmless for the vaccinated, I guess we'll see.
BUT, here's the thing:
it's been said all along that masks aren't for the wearer to not get sick, they're mainly for the wearer to protect those they come in contact with from getting germs.  As someone fully vaccinated that knows it's a statistical anomaly that I'll get COVID, I have no problem if some idiot anti-vaxxer/anti-masker takes the risks and gets COVID.  I'll wear a mask indoors when I can't socially distance (and as per CA Department of Public Health orders every moment I'm on my campus at work) mostly because I enjoyed not getting a cold the last 14 months & out of respect for immunosuppressant folks & under 12 kids.  But I'm personally not going to lose sleep at this point over anti-science yahoos who don't want to get a vaccine.  I've had convos with some in public (one telling me they refuse to get a vaccine because they don't trust it and are careful about what they put in their body: as they smoked unfiltered cigarettes) and they're mostly flat-out dumb - a lot of the same idiots who are hoarding gas and not understanding that the gas prices are rising NOT because of any shortage, but because of demand - because people are stocking up on gas just as stupidly as they stocked up on toilet paper last spring! 

The science currently is pretty clear about how awesome the vaccine protects us from getting seriously ill & there's no reason for vaccinated people to likely need to wear mask at all times in public.  Those who want to risk their health out of stubbornness have the right to be stupid and will act accordingly
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on May 16, 2021, 06:14:40 AM
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I don't think anyone really thinks that the anti-maskers will suddenly become vaxxers.  If they think it's a hoax and thus they don't wear a mask, why would they get a shot?  There are also no plans to enforce masking for the unvaccinated.  Walmart flat out says that it's not even going to ask.  It's the honor system.  The anti-maskers have already shown they aren't honorable.  They didn't wear a mask when they got flack for it, why would they wear a mask now that they've won?

Which is the point.  We've been working up to this for a while now.  The talk of herd immunity has faded.  It's been replaced with covid being endemic.  What the CDC did yesterday was not a declaration of victory.  It was giving up.  For the most part, the people who are willing to get vaccinated have been vaccinated.  Most of the remaining aren't willing.  Nothing's going to change that.  There have been enough studies done, including on the variants, to conclude that the vaccines work well enough.  The vaccinated have a high degree of protection.  So we'll have two populations in the US.  The vaccinated and the infected.  It's up to each person to decide which group they want to be in.  Personally, I'm going to keep masking in public for the foreseeable future.  No variant has yet to reduce the effectiveness of that.  Which is as effective as any vaccine.
I agree.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on May 16, 2021, 09:19:57 AM
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BUT, here's the thing:
it's been said all along that masks aren't for the wearer to not get sick,

This part has been proven wrong. Masks do provide some protection to wearers.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on May 16, 2021, 09:21:04 AM
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BUT, here's the thing:
it's been said all along that masks aren't for the wearer to not get sick, they're mainly for the wearer to protect those they come in contact with from getting germs.  As someone fully vaccinated that knows it's a statistical anomaly that I'll get COVID, I have no problem if some idiot anti-vaxxer/anti-masker takes the risks and gets COVID.  I'll wear a mask indoors when I can't socially distance (and as per CA Department of Public Health orders every moment I'm on my campus at work) mostly because I enjoyed not getting a cold the last 14 months & out of respect for immunosuppressant folks & under 12 kids.  But I'm personally not going to lose sleep at this point over anti-science yahoos who don't want to get a vaccine.  I've had convos with some in public (one telling me they refuse to get a vaccine because they don't trust it and are careful about what they put in their body: as they smoked unfiltered cigarettes) and they're mostly flat-out dumb - a lot of the same idiots who are hoarding gas and not understanding that the gas prices are rising NOT because of any shortage, but because of demand - because people are stocking up on gas just as stupidly as they stocked up on toilet paper last spring! 

The science currently is pretty clear about how awesome the vaccine protects us from getting seriously ill & there's no reason for vaccinated people to likely need to wear mask at all times in public.  Those who want to risk their health out of stubbornness have the right to be stupid and will act accordingly

But here's the thing: I don't worry about myself because I'm vaccinated. I don't worry about the anti-vaxxer/anti-maskers because they don't care about themselves. I want to continue enforcing a a mask ordinance because I worry about the people who can't get vaccinated--the people who will be infected by those loonies.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 16, 2021, 12:00:45 PM
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BUT, here's the thing:
it's been said all along that masks aren't for the wearer to not get sick, they're mainly for the wearer to protect those they come in contact with from getting germs.

Unfortunately that's some of the disinformation from US public health that has stuck.  Masks protect both the wearer and everyone else around them.  Yes it may be better at preventing an infected person from spreading than keep someone from becoming infected, but one doesn't preclude the other.  There's a 100 years of science about that.  The 1918 pandemic was the big real world example.  There were people that wore masks in 1918 and those who didn't.  The flu rampaged through the people that didn't wear masks.

When the US recommended that the general public not wear masks, it was in contradiction to pretty much all other public health organizations in the rest of the world.  Many of who said "Why aren't you wearing masks?  This is a respiratory illness."  The countries that took that advice to heart have been effectively covid free for a year.  All without a vaccine.  Those countries still haven't been vaccinated that much.  Their populations don't see the point.  They don't have a covid problem.

There's a reason healthcare workers in a covid ward wear masks even though they are fully vaccinated.  Masks when worn properly are about 90%+ effective.  The same as the covid vaccines.  Years of study about masking wearing and respiratory illnesses show that.  The recent covid specific study confirmed it.  So why did the CDC and others in the US say that the general public didn't need to wear masks.  I think it's because of 2 reasons.  First, we had a serious mask shortage.  They wanted to keep the supply for the people that really needed it, the frontline healthcare workers.  Instead of telling people that it wasn't necessary for the general public to wear masks, they could have said to wear anything you can.  If you can't get a N95 wear a surgical masks or wrap a t-shirt up over your mouth and nose.  Do something.  Instead they told us to skip the mask and just wash our hands.  In the end surface contact transmission is what is rare and respiratory transmission is the main route.  Which is the opposite of the recommendation they gave us.

The second reason that public health took the stance it took is political.  Contrary to the claims otherwise, politics play into what they do.  As has been proven by the emails that have been released, they were under a lot of pressure by the last administration to downplay the pandemic.  Telling everyone to wear masks doesn't help to downplay it.  Politics played into their decision to recommend no mask.  They went from it's not time yet, to let's pull the mask recommendation all within a couple of days.  What happened during that time was a serious grilling about their mask policy on the hill.  Then their was that abrupt announcement.  Followed a day later by the head of the CDC saying they would work toward policy to implement it.  Generally it's a good idea to make the policy first so that's it's ready to go when you make the announcement.  It all has the appearance of a knee jerk decision.

That healthcare worker study that showed that fully vaccinated people have a very low chance of catching covid is legit.  But the CDC is leaving out one big factor.  Those healthcare workers were fully vaccinated AND they religiously wore masks.  I'm keeping my mask on for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on May 16, 2021, 07:41:21 PM
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I'll keep masking indoors. Don't want to be among the first vaccinated people here to catch a variant.

I don't know who at the CDC is dreaming that this new announcement will encourage anyone to get a vaccine. My only hope is that some of those people are contrarians. Maybe if the CDC says they have to stop wearing masks, they'll start wearing them to protect their right to wear them.

I'm going to keep masking indoors too. Outdoors even it's socially distanced, I'm not as worried about unless I'm attending some sports game.

Yeah I'm disappointed in CDC's new stance. It feels like they jumped the gun. If the newest studies showed that the variants aren't a concern at all, then I'd be ok with their stance. But we haven't seen that data yet. It almost seems like the CDC gave in too quickly because they wanted to reward people who got vaccinated with no-mask requirements anymore. They didn't think seem to think about the anti-mask/anti-vaxxer side who'd dump their masks in a second now with the new mandate. I don't see how this will lead to herd immunity if most people aren't wearing masks anymore.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on May 16, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
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BUT, here's the thing:
it's been said all along that masks aren't for the wearer to not get sick, they're mainly for the wearer to protect those they come in contact with from getting germs.  As someone fully vaccinated that knows it's a statistical anomaly that I'll get COVID, I have no problem if some idiot anti-vaxxer/anti-masker takes the risks and gets COVID.  I'll wear a mask indoors when I can't socially distance (and as per CA Department of Public Health orders every moment I'm on my campus at work) mostly because I enjoyed not getting a cold the last 14 months & out of respect for immunosuppressant folks & under 12 kids.  But I'm personally not going to lose sleep at this point over anti-science yahoos who don't want to get a vaccine.  I've had convos with some in public (one telling me they refuse to get a vaccine because they don't trust it and are careful about what they put in their body: as they smoked unfiltered cigarettes) and they're mostly flat-out dumb - a lot of the same idiots who are hoarding gas and not understanding that the gas prices are rising NOT because of any shortage, but because of demand - because people are stocking up on gas just as stupidly as they stocked up on toilet paper last spring! 

The science currently is pretty clear about how awesome the vaccine protects us from getting seriously ill & there's no reason for vaccinated people to likely need to wear mask at all times in public.  Those who want to risk their health out of stubbornness have the right to be stupid and will act accordingly

I feel we need to look at the bigger picture in all of this. Yes the majority of vaccinated people won't be hurt by the change in mandate but our immunity will not last forever. Covid will continue mutating and it can mutate to a point where our current vaccine may not be as protective anymore. We need to reach herd immunity to stop the pandemic completely and the only way to cut down the number of covid infections drastically. We should also respect that there are some who legitimately for health reasons cannot get the vaccine (immunocompromised, allergic to the vaccine ingredients, etc.) and the mask mandate change is putting their lives in danger too. The thing that puzzles me with the whole anti-mask craze is that wearing a mask is such a harmless, minorly inconvenient thing to wear. It barely costs anything especially if you wear a cloth mask and it can protect your life and protect other people's lives. What's the harm in continuing to wear one for the next several months until we get more info about the variants?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 17, 2021, 01:59:14 PM
In another example of dropping precautions too early, the Seychelles reports are worrying.  The Seychelles is the world's most vaccinated country.  More than 60% of their population has been fully vaccinated with 2 doses.  So much that their government decided to drop their guard.  The WHO warned them, and others, that vaccinations alone are not enough to defeat covid.  It's just one tool in the toolbox.  Masking, social distancing and other precautions need to be maintained.  They didn't listen.  Now they are experiencing a surge.  The worrying part is that 37% of the people testing positive are the fully vaccinated.  The Seychelles used both Chinese and Indian vaccines.  So of course, some people brought up that those vaccines must not work.  But the data shows otherwise.  None of the vaccinated have died.  Only a few of the vaccinated have been hospitalized with relatively mild symptoms.  The vaccines did complete phase III trials which showed they are effective against serious illness.  The real world data seems to confirm that.

What the concern is, as with the 8 vaccinated members of the Yankees, is that breakthroughs are common.  We just don't know because we don't test the vaccinated.  Where they do, they find that the vaccinated can and do get infected.  So now the Seychelles is doing what Chile had to do.  Which is to re-institute precautions.  We aren't even as vaccinated as the other countries that dropped masking early.  Let's hope things work out better here.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 17, 2021, 09:02:02 PM
I found this quiz really interesting.

https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on May 17, 2021, 10:06:36 PM
I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but some general thoughts:

--I'm concerned that some people will treat the vaccine as something that makes them invulnerable which it won't. It reduces odds but people will still get the virus

--We don't know how long vaccines will work or if new variants might not be covered

--Masks are an inconvenience, but in the light of a global viral pandemic, its a small inconvenience

--We're all tired of this new norm but a virus doesn't get tired or care that we're tired

--While the odds are reduced by the vaccine, there is still a risk of death, hospitalization, huge hospital bills, or long term covid impacts.  While the vaccine seems to be doing well against current variants its efficacy against new variants is not known.

All that being said, I'm wearing a mask until it is definitely safe to not to.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on May 19, 2021, 05:54:29 AM
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I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but some general thoughts:

--I'm concerned that some people will treat the vaccine as something that makes them invulnerable which it won't. It reduces odds but people will still get the virus

--We don't know how long vaccines will work or if new variants might not be covered

--Masks are an inconvenience, but in the light of a global viral pandemic, its a small inconvenience

--We're all tired of this new norm but a virus doesn't get tired or care that we're tired

--While the odds are reduced by the vaccine, there is still a risk of death, hospitalization, huge hospital bills, or long term covid impacts.  While the vaccine seems to be doing well against current variants its efficacy against new variants is not known.

All that being said, I'm wearing a mask until it is definitely safe to not to.
I totally agree with you. There is still so much that is not known that I prefer to go on the side of caution.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 19, 2021, 07:05:49 PM
In San Diego, 87% have gotten at least 1 shot.  We're there.  The measles vaccine is as effective as the covid vaccine.  At around 90% compliance with that vaccine, measles is kept under control.  Hopefully that model holds for covid.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on May 19, 2021, 07:56:40 PM
Congrats, that's great! 

Here in Arizona we're stuck at about 44%. We've stagnated.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on May 21, 2021, 08:57:37 AM
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In San Diego, 87% have gotten at least 1 shot.  We're there.  The measles vaccine is as effective as the covid vaccine.  At around 90% compliance with that vaccine, measles is kept under control.  Hopefully that model holds for covid.

That's a great number, but I can't find it anywhere. The closest I could find was a statement that they are "87% of the way toward reaching the county's goal of vaccinating 75% of San Diego County residents 16 and older." https://www.kpbs.org/news/2021/may/17/coronavirus-san-diego-live-updates-covid-19/.

Can you show me the link? Not doubting you. Just want to find updated numbers.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on May 21, 2021, 10:04:18 AM
Getting my 2nd shot today.  :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 21, 2021, 11:49:17 AM
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That's a great number, but I can't find it anywhere. The closest I could find was a statement that they are "87% of the way toward reaching the county's goal of vaccinating 75% of San Diego County residents 16 and older." https://www.kpbs.org/news/2021/may/17/coronavirus-san-diego-live-updates-covid-19/.

Can you show me the link? Not doubting you. Just want to find updated numbers.

I saw it on the news but they left out the fine print.  You're right it is 88% of the goal population of 75%.  According to the daily slides it's actually 12 and up as of a few days ago.  Although it still says 16 and up and the bottom of the slide, the fine print under the number itself says 12 and up.

https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/dam/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/Epidemiology/covid19/MediaBriefingSlides/mediaBriefingSlides.pdf

It's a funny way for San Diego to provide the stats.  Since at some point it could go above 100%.  Unless the goal population accounts for all the people that can't get the vaccine for some reason.  I guess they could up the goal to keep that from happening.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on May 21, 2021, 12:26:20 PM
2nd shot trophy unlocked.  I can feel the adamantium bonding to my skeleton.  If I don't wake up with claws, I'm going to throwing a hissy fit.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 22, 2021, 11:03:39 PM
About 40.7% of Californians are fully vaccinated, which is also similar to the percentage in Orange County.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 23, 2021, 03:21:52 PM
San Francisco General Hospital reported they didn't have any covid patients a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 25, 2021, 05:34:12 PM
Moderna reports their vaccine is 100% effective in adolescents 12-17 and that they plan to ask the FDA for emergency authorization in early June.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/05/25/nation/moderna-says-its-vaccine-prevented-100-covid-19-cases-study-teens-age-12-17
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 25, 2021, 08:28:30 PM
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/health/story/2021-05-25/san-diegos-coronavirus-numbers-hit-new-lows?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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San Diego’s coronavirus numbers hit new lows
San Diego hits lowest COVID hospital numbers since April 2020: below 100!  Tuesday was the fifth-straight day with a new-case number below 100, a pattern not seen since mid-April 2020

San Diego County has the 2nd highest population of CA counties (second to the 10+ million in LA county) w/3,316,073 which is good for the 5th highest populated county in the US.  This is exciting (though we're still teaching band classes concurrently outside in our parking lot, something that is neither easy nor fun but it beats teaching it 100% virtually at least  :P )
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 25, 2021, 09:07:54 PM
Money and alcohol are working to incentivized the reluctant to get vaccinated.  Since announcing the million dollar lottery in Ohio, their vaccination rate is up 45%.  Several other states have also now enacted vaccine lotteries.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on May 25, 2021, 09:13:23 PM
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Money and alcohol are working to incentivized the reluctant to get vaccinated.  Since announcing the million dollar lottery in Ohio, their vaccination rate is up 45%.  Several other states have also now enacted vaccine lotteries.
Colorado has one now.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 26, 2021, 12:20:47 AM
Maybe California will enact a lottery if we have booster shots available next fall.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 27, 2021, 11:18:09 AM
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Maybe California will enact a lottery if we have booster shots available next fall.
Maybe, but we're doing pretty well so far.  I suspect we'll hit a plateau and the state will need to do something to close the gap (like more mobile vaccination stations or something)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 27, 2021, 11:41:45 AM
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Maybe California will enact a lottery if we have booster shots available next fall.
Or I'm wrong and Newsome is going to announce something TODAY as an incentive for CA to get vaccinated  :P
https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1397984846861856768?s=20
From that tweet:
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HUGE announcement today on vaccine incentives. Californians -- you’re definitely going to want to tune in for this one!!

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Office of the Governor of California
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Today at 2pm: Governor Newsom announces major efforts to encourage more Californians – especially those hit hardest by COVID-19 – to get vaccinated as CA works to fully reopen on June 15.

Watch live:
YT: https://youtu.be/0f6Dy13iUb8
FB: http://bit.ly/CAcomeback527
Twitter: @CAgovernor
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 27, 2021, 03:19:30 PM
Californians who got at least one shot of the Covid-19 vaccine will be entered in a lottery where ten lucky winners will each get $1.5M. Those who earlier got their shots are already automatically entered.  The winners will be announced June 15, the day California opens up.

http://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/05/27/governor-newsom-announces-historic-vax-for-the-win-program-to-get-more-californians-vaccinated-by-june-15

http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article251711088.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 27, 2021, 05:22:31 PM
Unlike MegaMillions and Powerball winners, vaccine lottery winners can be anonymous, so the world doesn’t have to know you won.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 27, 2021, 06:13:11 PM
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Unlike MegaMillions and Powerball winners, vaccine lottery winners can be anonymous, so the world doesn’t have to know you won.

I'm sure the IRS will know that you've won....
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on May 27, 2021, 06:14:28 PM
I could buy a lot of $1 comics with $1.5M.  I'll have to check the math...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 27, 2021, 08:45:31 PM
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I'm sure the IRS will know that you've won....
Gotta love the IRS!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 27, 2021, 11:46:07 PM
The first vaccine millionaire(pre tax) was minted in Ohio today.

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Unlike MegaMillions and Powerball winners, vaccine lottery winners can be anonymous, so the world doesn’t have to know you won.

It depends on the state.  Some will allow winners to stay anonymous.  Otherwise you can shield your identity by forming a LLC in a state that doesn't disclose a LLC's members to the public.  Then have the LLC claim the lottery win.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 28, 2021, 11:41:10 AM
Pfizer hopes to get results of their booster shot this July and, assuming the results are good, plan to seek FDA approval that same month.  Moderna is working on three booster candidates.  The boosters from both companies can either be a third shot or a vaccine that targets the variants out there now.  There is disagreement over how long their original vaccines are effective.  Both companies say their original vaccines are good for six to eight months, but other experts believe they can be effective for up to a year.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/will-we-need-covid-19-booster-shots-increasingly-the-expectation-is-yes-11621956459?mod=home-page
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 29, 2021, 11:03:57 AM
I didn't realize until his monologue last night that Bill Maher is a breakthrough case.  He was fully vaccinated yet got covid.  Fortunately with no symptoms.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 29, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
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I didn't realize until his monologue last night that Bill Maher is a breakthrough case.  He was fully vaccinated yet got covid.  Fortunately with no symptoms.

He announced it two weeks ago on Twitter and Instagram.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 29, 2021, 07:30:05 PM
There is a new coronavirus variant in Vietnam believed to be dangerous, but it is not clear how it reacts to vaccines.  This is in addition to Brazil, Britain, India and South Africa.  Vietnam was one of the few success stories in keeping the coronavirus at bay, similar to Australia and New Zealand.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/29/world/vietnam-new-covid-variant.html?searchResultPosition=1
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 30, 2021, 10:45:04 AM
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I didn't realize until his monologue last night that Bill Maher is a breakthrough case.  He was fully vaccinated yet got covid.  Fortunately with no symptoms.
and he's in an industry where they _have_ to periodically be tested which is the only reason why he found out (just like the majority of the 8 Yankees cases that were high profile news).  Many of the COVID positive breakthrough cases were because of non-symptomatic testing for other reasons (for example, my wife who works at the County Office of Ed has to get tested periodically to come to her office): meaning, the vaccine is doing its job of keeping people safe from symptoms, hospitalizations, and death with a virtual statistical anomaly when it doesn't.

Did Maher say which vaccine he had?  I found it interesting the Yankees cases were all J&J (which has a lower efficacy rate than Moderna or Pfizer)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 30, 2021, 07:18:59 PM
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Did Maher say which vaccine he had?  I found it interesting the Yankees cases were all J&J (which has a lower efficacy rate than Moderna or Pfizer)

He didn't say.  My speculation is that it's a MRNA vaccine.  J&J didn't come on the scene until late and then it was paused.  Maher is older so he qualified before the J&J vaccine was available.  Considering the production environment, they probably had to get vaccinated as soon as possible.

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meaning, the vaccine is doing its job of keeping people safe from symptoms, hospitalizations, and death with a virtual statistical anomaly when it doesn't.

Which is the endpoint of the vaccine trials.  To prevent death.  Unfortunately that messaging has been bungled.  So when people hear that it's 95% or even 100% effective.  They think it will prevent them from getting covid.  That was not a consideration for the trials.  Which leds to risky behavior since many vaccinated think they are invulnerable.  They aren't.  With dropping the mask mandates, we've set up a great environment to breed vaccine resistant covid.  The un-vaccinated will spread it freely.  Some vaccinated will catch covid.  As evolution goes, we've set up the environmental conditions for variants to see if they can defeat the vaccines.  There's a reason that you are supposed to take the entire course of antibiotics even after you feel better.  It's to try to kill the bacteria that have a predisposition to be antibiotic resistant.  Killing the normal bacteria and leaving the ones that are resistant just evolves more resistant bacteria.  Which is what we are dealing with now.  Knowing all that, we still decided to forego all those concerns with covid.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on May 30, 2021, 07:34:53 PM
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So when people hear that it's 95% or even 100% effective.  They think it will prevent them from getting covid.  That was not a consideration for the trials.  Which leds to risky behavior since many vaccinated think they are invulnerable.  They aren't.

I liked this post, unliked it, and liked it again so I could like it twice.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on May 30, 2021, 08:46:21 PM
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Which is the endpoint of the vaccine trials.  To prevent death.  Unfortunately that messaging has been bungled.  So when people hear that it's 95% or even 100% effective.  They think it will prevent them from getting covid.  That was not a consideration for the trials.  Which leds to risky behavior since many vaccinated think they are invulnerable.  They aren't.  With dropping the mask mandates, we've set up a great environment to breed vaccine resistant covid.  The un-vaccinated will spread it freely.  Some vaccinated will catch covid.  As evolution goes, we've set up the environmental conditions for variants to see if they can defeat the vaccines.  There's a reason that you are supposed to take the entire course of antibiotics even after you feel better.  It's to try to kill the bacteria that have a predisposition to be antibiotic resistant.  Killing the normal bacteria and leaving the ones that are resistant just evolves more resistant bacteria.  Which is what we are dealing with now.  Knowing all that, we still decided to forego all those concerns with covid.
1. I agree that messaging from the CDC and elsewhere has been bungled, and still is today. It’s one reason why we are seeing lotteries now to entice people to get vaccinated. As for masks requirements being relaxed, gotta show that vaccines are legit and do as advertised. So far, they are and the current numbers show it.

2. Trust the vaccines especially the good ones the US uses. You have been saying to trust science since last year, but not now? Regardless, stay positive. This pandemic will be beat.

3. Live. Wear a mask after being vaccinated if someone wants to, but live. Focus on yourself and use good judgement, but let others be. Overall, we all will get the virus, and we gotta accept that, but the main goal in getting vaccinated is to not play Russian roulette with the virus. Also, SARS-CoV-2 is not Ebola. It’s still a naughty virus, though.

4. Lastly, boosters will be out sooner than you think, the blueprint is there to fight the virus that causes COVID-19, which still mutants slowly. Heck, the NYT shared last week that immunity to COVID-19 may last longer than originally thought.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 30, 2021, 10:24:42 PM
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1. I agree that messaging from the CDC and elsewhere has been bungled, and still is today. It’s one reason why we are seeing lotteries now to entice people to get vaccinated. As for masks requirements being relaxed, gotta show that vaccines are legit and do as advertised. So far, they are and the current numbers show it.

Which is what other countries thought before they fell off a new covid cliff.  They thought they were in the clear through vaccination or had developed natural immunity after recovering from infection.  They weren't.  Their numbers were great until they weren't.  I believe the decision was political, not science based.  The CDC flipped from it's not time yet to let's drop everything over a couple of days.  What happened during those 2 days?  There was no new paper that changed the landscape.  What happened was a grilling on The Hill.  Dropping the masking recommendation has been widely criticized.

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2. Trust the vaccines especially the good ones the US uses. You have been saying to trust science since last year, but not now? Regardless, stay positive. This pandemic will be beat.

I do trust the science.  The science is telling us we aren't there yet.  The clinical trials aren't even done.  The Phase 3 clinical trial for the BioNTech vaccine is ongoing for example.  The science is still in progress.  Recently the WHO has started an investigation into why 37% of the people that test positive for covid in the most vaccinated country in the world are the fully vaccinated.  That country thought it beat the pandemic and dropped their guard.  They stopped wearing masks.  Now they are ramping up into another surge.

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3. Live. Wear a mask after being vaccinated if someone wants to, but live. Focus on yourself and use good judgement, but let others be. Overall, we all will get the virus, and we gotta accept that, but the main goal in getting vaccinated is to not play Russian roulette with the virus. Also, SARS-CoV-2 is not Ebola. It’s still a naughty virus, though.

That attitude is what has led to 600,000 covid deaths in the US.  Pandemics are not a time to focus on yourself.  Pandemics are a time to focus on society.  Think of others.  Don't think only on yourself.  The countries that have beat covid did exactly that.  People considered how their actions would effect others.  They didn't focus only on themselves.

Accepting that we all will get the virus is what is playing Russian Roulette.  That's not how you stop a pandemic.  You stop a pandemic by stopping transmission.  Not by providing a playground for it to mutate.  The more people that are infected, even when showing no symptoms, the more it will mutate.  The more vaccinated people that are infected, the more likely it will mutate to defeat the vaccines.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on May 31, 2021, 01:55:40 PM
Announced on Memorial Day by Gov Newsom that 70% of CA adults have at least one vaccination shot!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on May 31, 2021, 09:19:23 PM
Since having the common cold offered some immunity to covid, I'd hope that the opposite would also be true.  But that doesn't seem to be the case.  Now that most of the US has dropped mask mandates, other illness like the common cold are rising back up to pre-covid levels.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 01, 2021, 11:48:58 AM
The UK reported no covid deaths today for the first time since the pandemic started.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on June 03, 2021, 03:29:48 PM
I got an email for Eternal Con.  It's scheduled for 8/7 - 8/8 2021 in Long Island, NY.

I looked around the web site, but i don't see any mention of covid restrictions (face masks, social distancing).

https://eternalcon.com/

NY is opening pretty fast.  More and more stores are NOT requiring masks be worn.  Technically it's supposed to be for vaccinated individuals, but no one is checking.

Side Note:
The Big Bang Theory episode that turned me on to Comic Con is on tonight.  It's my favorite because it introduced me to this awesome event.   :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 03, 2021, 08:38:30 PM
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NY is opening pretty fast.  More and more stores are NOT requiring masks be worn.  Technically it's supposed to be for vaccinated individuals, but no one is checking.

A fair amount of people are not wearing masks here in California even though it's still the law.  There have always been a few people that didn't wear masks but they were at least low key about it.  Now they are defiant.  They walk past the sign out front saying that masks are required to enter without a care that they will be challenged.  So far I haven't seen anyone doing it.  In a big retailer I was in today, a mom and her daughter walked around and interacted with employees without masks on.  This same retailer had people at the front door offering free masks and enforcing the mask mandate last week.  Today that post was gone.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 05, 2021, 04:05:15 PM
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Since having the common cold offered some immunity to covid, I'd hope that the opposite would also be true.  But that doesn't seem to be the case.  Now that most of the US has dropped mask mandates, other illness like the common cold are rising back up to pre-covid levels.

Yeah, December 2019 and January 2020 were the last two times I got sick.  Now if I get sick I’m gonna freak out and say “oh s***, I think I got covid!”  Expect to see me get tested at CVS every time I get sick from now on!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on June 05, 2021, 04:45:25 PM
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Yeah, December 2019 and January 2020 were the last two times I got sick.  Now if I get sick I’m gonna freak out and say “oh s***, I think I got covid!”  Expect to see me get tested at CVS every time I get sick from now on!
I some how got MASSIVELY sick right around July 4th.  From March 13th 2020-late Aug. 2020 when I was going back to my classroom for the first time to get some prep done before start of the school year I went almost nowhere: the pharmacy around once a month for prescriptions, and that was it.  We still get groceries either delivered for pick-up at Target, and I still don't go many places even though I've had full efficacy from vaccination since early April.  In late June/first days of July I had to take care of some car issues (thanks CA smog checking  >:( ) and even though I wore a mask the handful of times I had to do that, and used hand sanitizer religiously throughout (upon immediately re-entering my car, wiping down surfaces of the car, driving w/windows open, and on those days upon turning the car off right before exiting knowing that others had touched the inside of the car) I still had massive projective vomiting for 3+ days: no fever, no coughing, no achey feelings, etc just puking non-stop for days.  I was worried I was going to have to go to the hospital since I couldn't keep any food of fluids down but I finally came out of it.  No one else in my family got sick (we live in a 2 bedroom/2 bathroom condo that isn't very big) so who knows WTF happened there.

I have awful allergies too, so COVID has def. made me super paranoid last summer/fall 2020 when I had to make sure I was up early and took allergy meds so my coughing symptoms would be suppressed by the time I went into school to not freak out my co-workers (I Zoomed class from my class room since as a band teacher I quickly surmised none of my condo neighbors wanted to hear band instruments being played early in the morning...or ever, really).  It was nice not having a legit cold, but as a teacher who's been in the same district now for 20 years/same school for 16 years my immune system is pretty awesome and I don't get sick often anyway
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 05, 2021, 07:05:41 PM
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Expect to see me get tested at CVS every time I get sick from now on!

There's BinaxNOW home testing.  $20 for two tests.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on June 05, 2021, 07:29:37 PM
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Yeah, December 2019 and January 2020 were the last two times I got sick.  Now if I get sick I’m gonna freak out and say “oh s***, I think I got covid!”  Expect to see me get tested at CVS every time I get sick from now on!

Last year a coworker got me sick at the end of Feb from dragging into a meeting.  In hindsight I should have been more scared.  As soon as I realized that I might have been sick I went home and took sick leave.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on June 05, 2021, 10:49:38 PM
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I some how got MASSIVELY sick right around July 4th.  From March 13th 2020-late Aug. 2020 when I was going back to my classroom for the first time to get some prep done before start of the school year I went almost nowhere: the pharmacy around once a month for prescriptions, and that was it.  We still get groceries either delivered for pick-up at Target, and I still don't go many places even though I've had full efficacy from vaccination since early April.  In late June/first days of July I had to take care of some car issues (thanks CA smog checking  >:( ) and even though I wore a mask the handful of times I had to do that, and used hand sanitizer religiously throughout (upon immediately re-entering my car, wiping down surfaces of the car, driving w/windows open, and on those days upon turning the car off right before exiting knowing that others had touched the inside of the car) I still had massive projective vomiting for 3+ days: no fever, no coughing, no achey feelings, etc just puking non-stop for days.  I was worried I was going to have to go to the hospital since I couldn't keep any food of fluids down but I finally came out of it.  No one else in my family got sick (we live in a 2 bedroom/2 bathroom condo that isn't very big) so who knows WTF happened there.

Could it have been food poisoning? It seems like it could be a possibility for something not contagious that involved lots of vomiting.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 09, 2021, 06:24:07 PM
A while back the UK released the results from a study into the effectiveness of vaccines against the delta variant.  It emphasizes how getting 2 doses is so much better than getting 1 dose.  With 2 doses, the Pfizer vaccine is up to 88% effective against symptomatic illness.  With 1 dose it's only 33%.  I would not feel comfortable walking around with only 33% effectiveness.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 10, 2021, 12:45:07 AM
The California Department of Public Health released these five guidelines on where you must still wear a mask starting on June 15.

1.) Public transit
2.) Secondary school
3.) Healthcare (including long-term care facilities)
4.) Prison/jail
5.) Homeless shelters, emergency shelters and cooling centers

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/guidance-for-face-coverings.aspx#June15guidance

Masks are not required anywhere else, but might be required by certain private establishments at their own discretion, like movie theaters, plays, sports stadiums, rock concerts, conventions (like our own Comic-Con!), etc.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 10, 2021, 01:53:44 AM
I don't think many people will put much effort into enforcing any masking rules.  They already don't.  I was at Costco today and there were quite a few people not wearing masks even though it's still the law in California and San Diego.  Same at Walmart and Target over the last week.  I think the stores have already shifted into following company policy and not government rules.  Many companies have already dropped their masking policies.  They should still abide by local laws but they don't seem to be.

I was surprised to find out today that Costco now requires a membership to eat at the food court.  I'm not sure it's Costco wide.  My local Costco's food court is different in that it's semi automated. Food ordering and payment is done at kiosks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on June 10, 2021, 09:09:43 AM
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I don't think many people will put much effort into enforcing any masking rules.  They already don't.  I was at Costco today and there were quite a few people not wearing masks even though it's still the law in California and San Diego.  Same at Walmart and Target over the last week.  I think the stores have already shifted into following company policy and not government rules.  Many companies have already dropped their masking policies.  They should still abide by local laws but they don't seem to be.

I was surprised to find out today that Costco now requires a membership to eat at the food court.  I'm not sure it's Costco wide.  My local Costco's food court is different in that it's semi automated. Food ordering and payment is done at kiosks.
Especially since CA Gov. is putting all of the onus on retail workers to "police" who's vaccinated/who's not.  Those poor employees went through ENOUGH garbage from awful customers when the Gov. had an explicit mandate/order to wear masks: now that it's just "businesses can do what they want," I can't imagine many keeping masks mandated, checking vaccination cards, etc.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on June 10, 2021, 09:21:26 AM
Technically in CA we're still waiting on the revised CAL-OSHA rules, which apply to most workplaces. They wanted to recommend continued masking unless your employer has proof everyone in a given space is vaccinated, but that got overruled last night. They haven't released a full updated guidance yet, but my office at least has told us to expect to continue masking through June at least.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on June 10, 2021, 09:37:42 AM
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I was surprised to find out today that Costco now requires a membership to eat at the food court.  I'm not sure it's Costco wide.  My local Costco's food court is different in that it's semi automated. Food ordering and payment is done at kiosks.

We're from Phoenix and the Costco food court is indoors and requires a membership, always has.  I was surprised when we went to the Burbank location and it was outdoors and EVERYONE and their brother was there with their kids and grandparents and neighbors. So I'm glad they're requiring a membership now in CA.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 10, 2021, 11:23:59 AM
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We're from Phoenix and the Costco food court is indoors and requires a membership, always has.  I was surprised when we went to the Burbank location and it was outdoors and EVERYONE and their brother was there with their kids and grandparents and neighbors. So I'm glad they're requiring a membership now in CA.

I can't think of any indoor Costco food courts in San Diego, but up in the Bay Area they have some.  Having it indoors is only a minor impediment without a membership.  I sometimes forgot to bring my membership card so I would just tell them I was going to the food court at the door.  There are a bunch of things that don't require a membership at Costco such as the pharmacy, buying legal recreational drugs and until now the food court.  I always thought it was that way due to law.  The real membership check is at checkout from the register.  Even though they ask for membership during pharmacy checkout, you can tell them you don't want to give it or you aren't a member.  That's why there's a dummy membership card taped to the register for them to scan.  Why would I want my pharmacy purchases listed in my Costco purchase history?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on June 10, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
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Technically in CA we're still waiting on the revised CAL-OSHA rules, which apply to most workplaces. They wanted to recommend continued masking unless your employer has proof everyone in a given space is vaccinated, but that got overruled last night. They haven't released a full updated guidance yet, but my office at least has told us to expect to continue masking through June at least.
Yeah my wife informed me she too is 'stuck' with the CAL-OSHA rules (meaning even though she's been fully vaccinated since late March she still has to get regular COVID testing in order to go physically into her office - while working remotely 3/5 days a week).  I'll be incredibly curious to see what the school guidances are for next fall.  Word on the street (read: from a district Administrator I talked to yesterday) is that they'll be pretty close to the same for now but _might_ be a bit more flexible when school starts in the fall.

Note: I'm all for safety, but the schools rules as they pertain to my content area (instrumental music) are incredibly outdated and currently broad and succinct.  For example, extensive scientific testing has shown that 30 mins of indoor band can occur if the room as sufficient time for the air to circulate out post-playing.  We have two rooms (which HUGE ceilings and additional air purifiers to go with our updated-for COVID HVAC system) meaning we obviously have a relatively easy way to implement indoor playing while adhering to what science says best mitigates COVID spread.  In CA the guidances state "band and choir can only happen indoors (and is strongly discouraged)" essentially because a church choir rehearsal became a COVID super-spreading event in March or April 2020 & our state Department of Health seems to refuse to listen to actual content experts when making their guidances  >:(

Sorry for venting (if you haven't guessed I'm mostly _REALLY_ looking forward to the end of the school year next week  8) )
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on June 14, 2021, 10:14:06 AM
“Delta coronavirus variant doubles risk of hospitalization: Scottish study“: https://www.politico.eu/article/delta-coronavirus-variant-doubles-risk-of-hospitalization-scottish-study/amp/#click=https://t.co/s0NZl2nXLG

Basically, don’t play with fire. Just get vaccinated if you haven’t. Unless there is a valid reason like health, the vaccines are still effective against the Delta variant. Like I said before, we (humans) have the blueprint to fighting the virus. The ride to victory will be bumpy at times.

Now to good news:

“Novavax Offers U.S. a Fourth Strong Covid-19 Vaccine”: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/health/covid-vaccine-novavax.html

Lastly, since June 15th “reopening” is tomorrow for CA, here’s this June 7th LAT article:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-07/california-among-lowest-covid-19-transmission-rates-us
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on June 14, 2021, 01:35:41 PM
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“Delta coronavirus variant doubles risk of hospitalization: Scottish study“: https://www.politico.eu/article/delta-coronavirus-variant-doubles-risk-of-hospitalization-scottish-study/amp/#click=https://t.co/s0NZl2nXLG

This is what makes me nervous about the office reopening again so soon.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on June 14, 2021, 05:10:47 PM
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This is what makes me nervous about the office reopening again so soon.

does it double it for non-vax'ed or vax'ed?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 14, 2021, 05:53:07 PM
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does it double it for non-vax'ed or vax'ed?

From the article in the Lancet.

"The corresponding hazard ratio for risk of hospital admission for S gene-positive cases was 0·38 (95% CI 0·24–0·58), with an interaction test p value of 0·19, suggesting that there was no evidence of a differential vaccine effect on hospital admissions among those first testing positive"

Also consider that this study is observational, it's basically a compilation and summary of reported previously.  So heed the authors warning.

"Given the observational nature of these data, estimates of vaccine effectiveness need to be interpreted with caution."

The vaccines do greatly lower the infection rate and hospitalizations.  So even if it doubled it for the vaccinated, you are still much better off than the non-vaccinated.  The vaccines do work against the Delta variant.  But as noted earlier in this thread, not as well as against the Alpha variant.  With only done dose, much worse in fact.  So low in efficacy that I personally would feel non-vaccinated against the Delta variant if I only had 1 dose of a vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 14, 2021, 06:08:41 PM
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“Delta coronavirus variant doubles risk of hospitalization: Scottish study“: https://www.politico.eu/article/delta-coronavirus-variant-doubles-risk-of-hospitalization-scottish-study/amp/#click=https://t.co/s0NZl2nXLG

Basically, don’t play with fire. Just get vaccinated if you haven’t. Unless there is a valid reason like health, the vaccines are still effective against the Delta variant. Like I said before, we (humans) have the blueprint to fighting the virus. The ride to victory will be bumpy at times.

The UK has a comparable vaccination rate to the US.  Because of the Delta variant they decided today to delay their reopening for 4 weeks.  It was originally schedule to happen in a week.  This is from Boris who has been extremely pro dropping of precautions like masking.  It was so refreshing to hear the UK experts arguing about whether to reopen or not.  They didn't really disagree about the facts.  It was not partisan political like it is here in the US. They all agreed that continuing to wear masks would be good.  They just disagreed about the consequences.  So it wasn't that masks are good versus masks are bad, it was whether the economic and social costs were worth continuing to wear masks.  In the end, they decided it was.  One big case for that was even though the vaccines do still work, with reduced efficacy, against Delta people still get infected.  The more people infected the more variants.  So they decided to keep things at a heighten state to reduce transmission.

Also, it's easy to loose track since we've had so many variants.  But when they say that the Delta(Indian) variant is 60% more contagious, it's 60% more contagious than the Alpha(UK) variant.  Remember how people used to worry about that?  Even in the UK now that seems like a gentler kinder covid.  The Delta variant has taken over there.  The Alpha variant is dominate in the US.  The Alpha is about 50% more contagious than the "original" variant.  Which in the US means the first European variant that was dominant here before the Alpha variant.  That first European variant was more contagious than the virus that from Wuhan which was never a factor in the US.  So we are 4 variants in with each one being about 50% more contagious than the last.  Like compound interest, it adds up.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on June 14, 2021, 06:49:45 PM
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does it double it for non-vax'ed or vax'ed?

Vax's will be on the honor system which doesn't help my nervousness
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on June 14, 2021, 08:39:45 PM
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Also, it's easy to loose track since we've had so many variants.  But when they say that the Delta(Indian) variant is 60% more contagious, it's 60% more contagious than the Alpha(UK) variant.  Remember how people used to worry about that?  Even in the UK now that seems like a gentler kinder covid.  The Delta variant has taken over there.  The Alpha variant is dominate in the US.  The Alpha is about 50% more contagious than the "original" variant.  Which in the US means the first European variant that was dominant here before the Alpha variant.  That first European variant was more contagious than the virus that from Wuhan which was never a factor in the US.  So we are 4 variants in with each one being about 50% more contagious than the last.  Like compound interest, it adds up.
Interesting from this article (which as of last week has the Delta variant making up 6% of USA COVID cases) https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/06/delta-variant-makes-6-us-covid-19-cases:
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Fauci said the transmissibility of the Delta variant should prompt any eligible American who has not done so yet to get vaccinated as quickly as possible, as preliminary data show the Pfizer vaccines is 88% effective against the Delta strain.
W/Pfizer & Moderna vaccines being 94-95% effective for Alpha variant, that minor reduction in efficacy helps me sleep at night.  What's disconcerting as chocolateshake mentions is that each variant becomes more contagious, severe, and (likely) deadly than the last: meaning, the longer so many idiots people eligible for the vaccine that ignore science and skip it make the situation that much more dangerous for everyone.  I pound my head on a concrete wall at the sheer stupidity of people ignoring science and trusting nonsense they see on the internet instead of well-proven scientific (and anecdotal) data for...reasons (I'm actually not clear on why people are being stupid about not taking the vaccine to be honest - I've heard the lame excuses, unrelated to younger kids & folks w/legit medical reasons that can't get the vaccine, and absolutely zero of them make sense)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on June 14, 2021, 10:52:16 PM
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Interesting from this article (which as of last week has the Delta variant making up 6% of USA COVID cases) https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/06/delta-variant-makes-6-us-covid-19-cases: W/Pfizer & Moderna vaccines being 94-95% effective for Alpha variant, that minor reduction in efficacy helps me sleep at night.  What's disconcerting as chocolateshake mentions is that each variant becomes more contagious, severe, and (likely) deadly than the last: meaning, the longer so many idiots people eligible for the vaccine that ignore science and skip it make the situation that much more dangerous for everyone.  I pound my head on a concrete wall at the sheer stupidity of people ignoring science and trusting nonsense they see on the internet instead of well-proven scientific (and anecdotal) data for...reasons (I'm actually not clear on why people are being stupid about not taking the vaccine to be honest - I've heard the lame excuses, unrelated to younger kids & folks w/legit medical reasons that can't get the vaccine, and absolutely zero of them make sense)
The heart inflammation/mRNA investigation won’t help the cause in getting more people vaccinated. (226 cases are being investigated by the CDC if anyone wanted to know the case numbers.) Anyway, just look at J&J after that brief pause it had earlier this year, due to the investigation of blood clotting.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 15, 2021, 12:14:18 AM
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Interesting from this article (which as of last week has the Delta variant making up 6% of USA COVID cases) https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/06/delta-variant-makes-6-us-covid-19-cases:
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Fauci said the transmissibility of the Delta variant should prompt any eligible American who has not done so yet to get vaccinated as quickly as possible, as preliminary data show the Pfizer vaccines is 88% effective against the Delta strain.

That number came from the UK study I've mentioned before.  That same study found that 1 dose, even of Pfizer, is only 33% effective against Delta.  The UK studies are what convinced Britain to postpone full re-opening for another month, so far.

I fully expect that Delta will become dominant in the US just as Alpha and the original European variant did before it.  The UK has comparable vaccination rates to the US and that didn't prevent Delta from taking over there.  That was one issue that some UK experts talked about.  Having infection without serious illness or even symptoms is not enough.  Transmission has to be stopped.  Since infection in someone vaccinated provides a great petri dish for a variant to figure out how to defeat a vaccine.  So things like social distancing and wearing masks have to maintained even after vaccination.  There was a time that Fauci said the same.

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What's disconcerting as chocolateshake mentions is that each variant becomes more contagious, severe, and (likely) deadly than the last: meaning, the longer so many idiots people eligible for the vaccine that ignore science and skip it make the situation that much more dangerous for everyone.

Delta seems to more infectious and harmful to the young instead of the old.  Considering that the vaccination rate is high and it was done early in the old, the virus seems to be adapting to a new target rich demographic.

The variants are coming fast and furious.  A booster is not even available for the Alpha(UK) variant.  Now Alpha is commonplace and Delta is the variant we are worried about.  Does it make sense to make boosters targeting one variant since long before we can administer it a different variant is the problem?  Maybe would should just administer another dose of what we already have and hope that like a no longer as potent antibiotic we can make up for it with quantity.  Which is what the UK is considering.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 15, 2021, 12:28:55 AM
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The heart inflammation/mRNA investigation won’t help the cause in getting more people vaccinated. (226 cases are being investigated by the CDC if anyone wanted to know the case numbers.) Anyway, just look at J&J after that brief pause it had earlier this year, due to the investigation of blood clotting.

No it won't.  I don't think the J&J pause should have happened.  It is so rare.  There should have been an advisory not a pause.  The J&J vaccine has never recovered from the stigma.  I don't think it ever will.

This issue is also rare.  To put that 226 cases into perspective.  There have been more than twice that number of known breakthrough cases, fully vaccinated people catching covid, in San Diego alone.  Considering that the vast majority of people that are vaccinated don't get tested, that's probably a big undercount.  Breakthroughs are considered so rare as to not matter.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on June 15, 2021, 08:16:43 AM
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Breakthroughs are considered so rare as to not matter.
Also because they are generally relatively "harmless," in the sense of no serious symptoms, hospitalizations, deaths, etc.  I suspect many of the COVID+ test results from breakthroughs occur because people had to get tested for other reasons (for example, CalOSHA currently requires office workers to test regularly, even when vaccinated).  There are serious ailments in the breakthrough cases, but from what I've read they seem to be incredibly rare (and anecdotally the ones I've explicitly read about, like Phil Nevin from the NY Yankees as one example, have come from the less-effective J&J vaccine)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on June 15, 2021, 08:59:13 AM
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Also because they are generally relatively "harmless," in the sense of no serious symptoms, hospitalizations, deaths, etc.  I suspect many of the COVID+ test results from breakthroughs occur because people had to get tested for other reasons (for example, CalOSHA currently requires office workers to test regularly, even when vaccinated).  There are serious ailments in the breakthrough cases, but from what I've read they seem to be incredibly rare (and anecdotally the ones I've explicitly read about, like Phil Nevin from the NY Yankees as one example, have come from the less-effective J&J vaccine)
yeah, this is why i'm not worried about breakthroughs. Vax'ed people won't die even if they get the UK variant. right?
The un-vax'ed made the decision to not get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on June 15, 2021, 09:56:58 AM
This is where travel restrictions will become interesting. 

I'm going to Iceland in September, and they currently require a negative test upon arrival.  I'm fully vaccinated (and will get the booster if I can before then).  But I could still test positive upon arrival, with symptoms, and have to quarantine.  But I'm not contagious to others (right? isn't that what they say?).  So it it worth it to take the risk of going somewhere just to have to quarantine once there?  Or will there be different rules for the fully vaccinated?  And can they trust my word that I'm fully vaxed, or will there be a *voluntary* tracking for those of us who want to use it?

So many questions.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on June 15, 2021, 12:45:29 PM
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This is where travel restrictions will become interesting. 

I'm going to Iceland in September, and they currently require a negative test upon arrival.  I'm fully vaccinated (and will get the booster if I can before then).  But I could still test positive upon arrival, with symptoms, and have to quarantine.  But I'm not contagious to others (right? isn't that what they say?).  So it it worth it to take the risk of going somewhere just to have to quarantine once there?  Or will there be different rules for the fully vaccinated?  And can they trust my work that I'm fully vaxed, or will there be a *voluntary* tracking for those of us who want to use it?

So many questions.
The EU states have just announced an agreement between them all that will allow travel restrictions to be lifted based on vaccination status. Basically, double jabbed and travel in Europe is fine.
I think it is due to start from beginning of July.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 15, 2021, 01:02:18 PM
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The EU states have just announced an agreement between them all that will allow travel restrictions to be lifted based on vaccination status. Basically, double jabbed and travel in Europe is fine.
I think it is due to start from beginning of July.

That's all dependent on someone holding a digital vaccine passport, either on a digital device(phone) or printed on paper(QR code).  Europe will accept other countries digital vaccine passports, but it's up to each country to issue their own.  So far the United States has stated it's intentions to not join any of these digital efforts.  We are sticking with scribbles on a card.  European countries are still debating whether that will be good enough.  Some want the evidence to be verifiable.  Others say a vaccination card is too easy to forge.  You can buy them online for example.  California is working on a digital (do not call it a passport) vaccine certification.  It looks like a digital vaccine passport, it works like a digital vaccine passport but probably for PC reasons it will not be called a digital vaccine passport.  Hopefully that will be accepted by other countries.

These digital passports aren't just to get pass the border.  They will be used to allow or deny entry into places like stores and hotels.  All in all, this is the model that China used to such good effect this entire last year.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 15, 2021, 01:16:32 PM
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Also because they are generally relatively "harmless," in the sense of no serious symptoms, hospitalizations, deaths, etc.

That's true, until it's not.  That is how covid moved from bats to humans after all.  Rightly so, it was not considered a big deal at first.  It happens all the time.  Recently there have been multiple cases of a dog coronavirus infecting humans.  When these things happen, the human has little or no symptoms.  More importantly, the virus isn't able to replicate and infected other humans.  So it's considered "harmless".  That is until it mutates to be able to infect other people then it's off to the races.  Which is why the only way to reduce this happening is to reduce people getting infected by viruses that happen in other species.  Which is why there have been the calls to stop consuming wild meat.  Since the more virus that jump from animals to humans, the more chances that it will mutate into being a virus that can infect other humans which means we have another pandemic.

For the same reason, we need to limit if not entirely stop transmission between humans whether vaccinated or not.  Even if a vaccinated person doesn't get or feel sick, the fact that they caught it means that the infected vaccinated person becomes a petri dish for covid to maybe mutate into something that can defeat the vaccines.

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Vax'ed people won't die even if they get the UK variant. right?

Unfortunately no, fully vaccinated people have died from covid.  No UK variant needed.  It's just very rare.  It's happened from the start of vaccinations.  There have been breakthrough cases from the start and some of them have died.  That's why I wish the government would stop saying it's 100% effective against death.  It was in the trial.  But comparatively the trial had very few people.  In the real world there have been deaths.  It is a possibility.  Saying it's 100% effective explicitly says it's not possible.  How many people note the qualifier?  What's wrong with saying it's over 99% effective?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on June 15, 2021, 11:26:29 PM
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This is where travel restrictions will become interesting. 

I'm going to Iceland in September, and they currently require a negative test upon arrival.  I'm fully vaccinated (and will get the booster if I can before then).  But I could still test positive upon arrival, with symptoms, and have to quarantine.  But I'm not contagious to others (right? isn't that what they say?).  So it it worth it to take the risk of going somewhere just to have to quarantine once there?  Or will there be different rules for the fully vaccinated?  And can they trust my work that I'm fully vaxed, or will there be a *voluntary* tracking for those of us who want to use it?

So many questions.

No if you are positive for covid even if you're vaxxed, you can still pass covid to others even if they're vaxxed too. The risk is lower for vaccinated people but it still exists. It's why I'm still going to wear a mask when I go out and for work. I'm a little concerned that some of the elderly may not have gotten enough antibodies even from the 2-dose vaccines and I don't want to risk the chance of getting my parents sick when I visit them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on June 17, 2021, 11:05:22 AM
https://twitter.com/usatoday/status/1405155702818082817?s=21

One article that isn’t behind a paywall that pretty much says the same thing from June 11th: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/virtually-all-hospitalized-covid-patients-have-one-thing-common-they-n1270482
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on June 17, 2021, 07:00:29 PM
https://twitter.com/the_fineman/status/1405671477958131712?s=21

It is about a recent study focusing on COVID-19 and brain damage. Overall, nasty and evil virus.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on June 18, 2021, 08:49:51 AM
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https://twitter.com/the_fineman/status/1405671477958131712?s=21

It is about a recent study focusing on COVID-19 and brain damage. Overall, nasty and evil virus.

This virus is weird ib that it basically can screw up the body in any way.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 18, 2021, 02:29:10 PM
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https://twitter.com/the_fineman/status/1405671477958131712?s=21

It is about a recent study focusing on COVID-19 and brain damage. Overall, nasty and evil virus.

I block social media, such as Twitter, so I can't read that.  I'm assuming it's about the MRI study.  Covid and brain damage has been talked about since the Chinese warned about it last year.  Since then researchers in the rest of the world have confirmed it.  As I've brought up a few times in the last year, covid isn't just a respiratory illness, it's a whole body illness.  Just because someone has no symptoms doesn't mean they got through it without consequences.  Many people that had asymptomatic infections are now long haulers.  Their problems showed up later.  Problems including brain damage.  That's another reason why when I hear from some that it's not a problem for the fully vaccinated to get infected with covid since they have no little or no symptoms, I take it with a grain of salt.  Time will tell.  There have been fully vaccinated people that have been infected and are now long haulers.  So it's being studied.  Personally, even though I'm fully vaccinated, I'm doing my best not to catch it.

We tend to only think about covid in terms of dying or surviving.  But there are a lot of steps between the two.  I'd like to avoid feeling like I have a cold for who knows how long.  For some, it's been months.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 18, 2021, 03:48:48 PM
California has unveiled a system where Californians can digitally access their Covid-19 vaccine cards.  The state insists it's not a passport.  It will ask for your first and your last name and your date of birth.  It will then ask you to pick a four-digit PIN number.  Finally, depending on how you want to receive your link, put either your cell number or your E-mail address.  If the records match, you’ll get a link right away and remember your PIN number. 

http://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 18, 2021, 11:35:48 PM
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California has unveiled a system where Californians can digitally access their Covid-19 vaccine cards.  The state insists it's not a passport.  It will ask for your first and your last name and your date of birth.  It will then ask you to pick a four-digit PIN number.  Finally, depending on how you want to receive your link, put either your cell number or your E-mail address.  If the records match, you’ll get a link right away and remember your PIN number. 

http://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov

I don't like it.  It isn't a secure way to do it at all.  All that information you can find out about me by googling.  So if someone beats me to it, then they can pick a pin and lock me out of my own record.  I sense thousands of bots spinning up in the dark web to take on the challenge.

California already had a process to get your vaccination record.  The difference is that this way at least tried to validate it was someone authorized to get it by requiring government ID of the requester.

https://cairforms.cairweb.org/AuthorizationToRelease/AuthorizationToRelease
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on June 20, 2021, 09:22:08 AM
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California has unveiled a system where Californians can digitally access their Covid-19 vaccine cards.  The state insists it's not a passport.  It will ask for your first and your last name and your date of birth.  It will then ask you to pick a four-digit PIN number.  Finally, depending on how you want to receive your link, put either your cell number or your E-mail address.  If the records match, you’ll get a link right away and remember your PIN number. 

http://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov

Arizona has something similar.  I just registered and it has all my flu vaccine going back to 2013 along with my COVID vaccine info, all on a nice official looking page I can download and print.  I like it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on June 21, 2021, 08:36:58 AM
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Arizona has something similar.  I just registered and it has all my flu vaccine going back to 2013 along with my COVID vaccine info, all on a nice official looking page I can download and print.  I like it.



Wow, I didn't realize that the state tracked our Flu vaccinations!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on June 21, 2021, 09:39:25 AM
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Wow, I didn't realize that the state tracked our Flu vaccinations!

I didn't either!  It also has the vaccines I got before a trip to Peru.  My husband got his flu shots at work so they don't show up, but mine were at CVS or my doctor's office.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on June 21, 2021, 10:22:05 AM
Random quote of the day from a work meeting:

"Sorry if I sound funny.  First week without a mask and I caught a cold."

Sigh
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 21, 2021, 11:53:26 AM
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Wow, I didn't realize that the state tracked our Flu vaccinations!

The state knows all.  When I made online accounts as part of getting my parents vaccinated, their vaccinations going back to the '50s were populated.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 26, 2021, 10:59:32 AM
Israel announced that 40-50% of the people who tested positive for delta are fully vaccinated.  This correlates with the 38% number reported by another country with a high rate of vaccination.  Some dismissed that earlier report because they didn't use the MRNA vaccines even though the vaccine they used did protect from hospitalization and death.  So they must be effective.  Israel vaccinated with Pfizer.  They were among the first to report the heart problem with the Pfizer vaccine back in April.

Admittedly the number of cases in Israel is small.  But even taking that into account, such a high percentage of breakthroughs is concerning.  So much so that Israel has reinstated it's mask mandate.  Also, fully vaccinated people that are exposed to delta will need to self quarantine.

In the UK, a third of the people that die from delta are fully vaccinated.

The US is about a month away from the delta variant becoming just covid, it will be the dominant strain in the US.  I'm fully vaccinated and I'm keeping my mask on.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on June 26, 2021, 11:39:51 AM
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Israel announced that 40-50% of the people who tested positive for delta are fully vaccinated.  This correlates with the 38% number reported by another country with a high rate of vaccination.  Some dismissed that earlier report because they didn't use the MRNA vaccines even though the vaccine they used did protect from hospitalization and death.  So they must be effective.  Israel vaccinated with Pfizer.  They were among the first to report the heart problem with the Pfizer vaccine back in April.

Admittedly the number of cases in Israel is small.  But even taking that into account, such a high percentage of breakthroughs is concerning.  So much so that Israel has reinstated it's mask mandate.  Also, fully vaccinated people that are exposed to delta will need to self quarantine.

In the UK, a third of the people that die from delta are fully vaccinated.

The US is about a month away from the delta variant becoming just covid, it will be the dominant strain in the US.  I'm fully vaccinated and I'm keeping my mask on.

Me too. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on June 26, 2021, 12:51:03 PM
Sharing time, hehe!

First:

https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/status/1408860711749554177?s=21

And:

https://twitter.com/cnbcclosingbell/status/1408530350813466627?s=21

And:

https://twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1407725774916837381?s=20

And:

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/virus-that-causes-covid-19-can-find-alternate-route-to-infect-cells/

Lastly, for CA folks:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-24/covid-19-delta-variant-spread-california-how-bad-is-it

Overall, the vaccines work still. Anyone can go after me on this, but (again) we gotta accept that one day the virus will find us who are trying everything possible to not get it, with our shots included. Still do whatever you want to protect yourself, and continue to do so later if you want, but it will happen eventually. But also know that more treatments are being made as we speak, current vaccines work, and boosters are getting made too.

Long-haul issues even after getting vaccinated? I know someone will mention it on here. According to the scientific community, it’s rare even though the data in knowing anything regarding this topic is still very light. (Same regarding mixing certain COVID-19 vaccines to boost your immunity.) Here’s one article about a nurse and long-haulers; dissect the information as you see fit: https://www.businessinsider.com/nurse-coronavirus-long-hauler-fully-vaccinated-breakthrough-infection-2021-6

Let’s not forget about this vaccine: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/06/novavax-now-best-covid-19-vaccine/619276/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 26, 2021, 04:00:51 PM
Here are some articles that might be of interest.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6?op=1
https://news.yahoo.com/reviewing-seychelles-covid-19-data-134637551.html
https://news.yahoo.com/revealed-fully-vaccinated-died-delta-indian-variant-coronavirus-102623618.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccinated-people-to-continue-to-wear-masks-as-variant-spreads.html

Lastly, in a bit of irony considering the CDC's other statements, this warning.

"Because of the current situation in Seychelles, even fully vaccinated travelers may be at risk for getting and spreading COVID-19 variants."

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/covid-4/coronavirus-seychelles

It's been very disappointing that US public health has been skeptical of reports from the rest of the world.  We suffer from a severe case of NDH.  This entire pandemic we've been dismissive of reports only to then announce it as if it was a new finding when we can duplicate it many months later.  For example the recent announcement about covid and brain damage.  That was first reported almost a year ago.  Time and time again this has happened.  From denying mask wearing while others in the rest of the world were screaming wear a mask to doubts that the UK(Alpha) variant was indeed a thing.  We used to lead in pandemics like this.  Now we follow.

Israel has lead in this pandemic.  They handled everything well.  Including keeping precautions up even though they had such a high vaccination rate.  They pulled that back 10 days ago.  Yesterday they realized that was a mistake in light of delta so they reversed course.  The UK did the same by postponing their reopening.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on June 26, 2021, 05:04:17 PM
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It's been very disappointing that US public health has been skeptical of reports from the rest of the world.  We suffer from a severe case of NDH.  This entire pandemic we've been dismissive of reports only to then announce it as if it was a new finding when we can duplicate it many months later.  For example the recent announcement about covid and brain damage.  That was first reported almost a year ago.  Time and time again this has happened.  From denying mask wearing while others in the rest of the world were screaming wear a mask to doubts that the UK(Alpha) variant was indeed a thing.  We used to lead in pandemics like this.  Now we follow.
And even saying "now we follow" seems like a stretch, unfortunately...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on June 28, 2021, 11:16:39 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/06/coronavirus-evolution-virulence/619301/

“Why No One Is Sure If Delta Is Deadlier”

And:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/health/coronavirus-vaccines-immunity.html

“Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines Are Likely to Produce Long-Lasting Immunity, Study Suggests” 

Interesting articles. Have a great Monday, everyone!

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 28, 2021, 01:33:30 PM
Delta?  That's so last week.  Delta+ is the buzz this week.

"A consortium of Indian labs involved in genome sequencing to identify and track the spread of various coronavirus variants told the government that Delta Plus appears to have three worrying characteristics: Increased transmissibility; more capacity to attack lung cells; and a potential reduction in monoclonal antibody response — or, put simply, possible resistance to vaccines and immunity gained through previous infection."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/delta-plus-covid-variant-india-strain/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-28/delta-plus-coronavirus-variant-identified

Time will tell.  We need more data.  India, which is shell shocked from Delta, is taking it very seriously.  Others have pointed out that this additional mutation was also on other variants that were out competed by Delta.  There's a limit to how contagious it can get.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 28, 2021, 06:13:24 PM
The Delta variant is spreading in California and now makes up 14.5% of all Covid-19 positive cases in California.  However, vaccinated people are well protected against infection and illness from the Delta variant.  Los Angeles County, the nation’s most populous, has confirmed 123 Delta variant cases.  Of those, 89% of them occurred among people who were not vaccinated against Covid-19, and 2% among those who were partially vaccinated.  No one has died from the Delta variant in L.A. County.  The few fully vaccinated people who have been infected with the Delta variant “experienced relatively mild illness,” L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said.  Almost everyone who has died in L.A. County of Covid-19 in the last six months have not been vaccinated.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-27/highly-contagious-delta-coronavirus-variant-spreading-in-california
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 28, 2021, 07:58:09 PM
Los Angeles County is urging everybody, vaccinated people included, to wear masks when indoors in public places to curb the spread of the Delta variant.  Officials still insist vaccinated people are protected.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-28/as-delta-variant-spreads-l-a-county-recommends-everyone-mask-indoors
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on June 28, 2021, 08:49:20 PM
I am still alive
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on June 29, 2021, 05:58:20 AM
No to jump on your bandwagon, but so am I!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on June 29, 2021, 08:54:17 AM
Red 5 standing by.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on June 29, 2021, 09:02:23 AM
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Delta?  That's so last week.  Delta+ is the buzz this week.

"A consortium of Indian labs involved in genome sequencing to identify and track the spread of various coronavirus variants told the government that Delta Plus appears to have three worrying characteristics: Increased transmissibility; more capacity to attack lung cells; and a potential reduction in monoclonal antibody response — or, put simply, possible resistance to vaccines and immunity gained through previous infection."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/delta-plus-covid-variant-india-strain/

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-28/delta-plus-coronavirus-variant-identified

Time will tell.  We need more data.  India, which is shell shocked from Delta, is taking it very seriously.  Others have pointed out that this additional mutation was also on other variants that were out competed by Delta.  There's a limit to how contagious it can get.
Well, there is Paramount+, Apple TV+, and Disney+. Perhaps the virus wants to be part of the + club? A new streaming service?  ;)

Sorry, I had to do it.  :D Overall, yeah, it’s wait and see. It looks like it won’t change anything currently.

From one Time’s article about the +: https://time.com/6075858/delta-plus-variant/
“The So-Called Delta Plus Variant of COVID-19 Is Dangerous But Appears Unlikely to Be a Game-Changer”
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on June 29, 2021, 09:27:35 AM
There is always going to be another variant. This will never end. We have to learn how to live with it, rather than hide from it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on June 29, 2021, 09:54:57 AM
Had to :D
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on June 29, 2021, 12:04:49 PM
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Los Angeles County is urging everybody, vaccinated people included, to wear masks when indoors in public places to curb the spread of the Delta variant.  Officials still insist vaccinated people are protected.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-06-28/as-delta-variant-spreads-l-a-county-recommends-everyone-mask-indoors

Also wear a good mask.  Now that N95s are readily available again, that's the mask to wear if you are in a high prevalence area.  It matters.  A hankie wrapped around your face doesn't cut it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636360

I wore a N95 up until I got vaccinated.  Now I wear a KN95.  Which considering that San Diego has low prevalence seems reasonable.  I'm saving my N95s just in case.

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There is always going to be another variant. This will never end. We have to learn how to live with it, rather than hide from it.

So true.  Covid is here to stay.  There's no changing that now.  But by curbing transmission we can curb the number of variants.  So part of learning to live with it is to take simple measures to curb transmission.  I've noticed that even though many people have stopped masking, almost all of them still social distance in line.  People don't stand right up against each other like they used to.  Sometimes I used to be able to feel the person behind me breathing on my neck.

It would help if CDC messaging was consistent.  It isn't.  They say that if you are fully vaccinated that you can pretty much drop all precautions and go back to normal in the US.  At the same time they warn that even if fully vaccinated that you can contract and spread covid while traveling overseas.  Furthermore you are required to test negative before being allowed back in the US even if fully vaccinated.  Either the fully vaccinate are reasonably safe or not.  The CDC is currently saying you are but you aren't.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 29, 2021, 01:02:18 PM
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Well, there is Paramount+, Apple TV+, and Disney+. Perhaps the virus wants to be part of the + club? A new streaming service?  ;)

The next variant will be Delta Supreme, lol. 😂
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 29, 2021, 08:08:53 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/health/coronavirus-vaccines-immunity.html

“Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines Are Likely to Produce Long-Lasting Immunity, Study Suggests” 

From the article:

The findings add to growing evidence that most people immunized with the mRNA vaccines may not need boosters, so long as the virus and its variants do not evolve much beyond their current forms — which is not guaranteed.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on June 29, 2021, 10:59:19 PM
Moderna says a small laboratory test suggested its Covid-19 vaccine was effective against worrisome viral variants, including the highly transmissible Delta strain.  The test, however, was not peer-reviewed and doesn’t necessarily reflect how the vaccine will work against the variants in a real-world setting, in contrast to larger trials involving vaccinated people who have been exposed to variants in their communities.  Moderna’s announcement wasn’t surprising. A much larger Public Health England study published in May found that two doses of Pfizer’s similar mRNA coronavirus vaccine were 88% effective against the Delta variant among people who had received the shots and went about their lives.  Meanwhile, Moderna was just approved today for emergency use in India.  The vaccine is already authorized for use in 50 countries, including the U.S.  On Wall Street, Moderna’s stock jumped 6% today.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/06/29/business/moderna-said-its-covid-19-vaccine-should-work-against-emerging-virus-variants-including-delta/?event=event12
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 01, 2021, 05:32:20 PM
Preliminary tests show the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine is effective against the Delta variant.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/j-j-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promising-preliminary-signs-of-protecting-against-delta-variant-11625184011?mod=djemalertNEWS
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on July 01, 2021, 07:23:45 PM
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Preliminary tests show the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine is effective against the Delta variant.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/j-j-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promising-preliminary-signs-of-protecting-against-delta-variant-11625184011?mod=djemalertNEWS
J&J vaccine vs the virus be like:

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 01, 2021, 08:55:11 PM
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Preliminary tests show the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine is effective against the Delta variant.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/j-j-covid-19-vaccine-shows-promising-preliminary-signs-of-protecting-against-delta-variant-11625184011?mod=djemalertNEWS

That was a laboratory study of blood from very few people.  The ABC story has more details that aren't in the WSJ article.  In particular a warning from the researcher to not confuse lab results with real world results.

Quote
Barouch cautioned there are limitations to this research, which offers researchers helpful clues from laboratory experiments rather than real-world evidence from thousands of people.

"Our findings show that a single shot of the J&J vaccine raises robust neutralizing antibody levels against the delta variant. Our study does not show clinical protection," he said.

A lot of things work in test tubes that don't work in real life.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/jj-vaccine-stand-delta-variant-preliminary-research-suggests/story?id=78612193
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on July 01, 2021, 09:02:49 PM
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That was a laboratory study of blood from very few people.  The ABC story has more details that aren't in the WSJ article.  In particular a warning from the researcher to not confuse lab results with real world results.

A lot of things work in test tubes that don't work in real life.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/jj-vaccine-stand-delta-variant-preliminary-research-suggests/story?id=78612193
Also from the ABC article, “But for those who were vaccinated with the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine, this study is a reassuring indication that the vaccine is likely to work just as well against the delta variant as it does for other circulating variants.”

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyway…for the heck of it for all, here is a link from one recent NYT article that has a little bit more to say regarding the J&J topic, and a section about “boosting up”: 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/01/health/coronavirus-johnson-vaccine-delta.html

And CNN’s that may also have more info: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/01/health/johnson-vaccine-delta-variant/index.html

Digest the information as you see fit. Looks like more J&J data will be coming out soon.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 02, 2021, 02:31:45 PM
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That was a laboratory study of blood from very few people.  The ABC story has more details that aren't in the WSJ article.  In particular a warning from the researcher to not confuse lab results with real world results.

A lot of things work in test tubes that don't work in real life.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/jj-vaccine-stand-delta-variant-preliminary-research-suggests/story?id=78612193

I figured this was similar to the Boston Globe article about the limited study of Moderna.  Both vaccines have not been scrutinized like Pfizer already has.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 04, 2021, 11:19:15 AM
The masking message is being nuanced from the sudden recommendation to drop masking a few weeks ago.  When asked if the fully vaccinated should wear a mask today, Fauci replied that if you are in a high prevalence area then you should.

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"As we’ve said so often, vaccines, even as good as they are and they are highly effective, nothing is 100%,” Dr. Fauci said. “If you put yourself in an environment in which you have a high level of viral dynamics and a very low level of vaccine, you might want to go the extra step … go the extra mile, to be cautious enough to make sure I get the extra added level of protection even though the vaccines themselves are highly effective.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jul/4/fauci-urges-vaccinated-americans-wear-masks-areas-/

Which is what people that have criticized the CDC decision have said.  It's about how much virus is in your area.  That should drive the precautions you take.  Even if you are fully vaccinated.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 06, 2021, 12:32:42 PM
So Israel finished crunching the numbers concerning the BioNTech(Pfizer) vaccine vs Delta and the news is not good, but there's a silver lining.

First the silver lining, the vaccine is still very protective against serious illness including death.  Which was the goal after all.

Now the bad, it's much less effective against infection and mild illness.  It's dropped 30%.

"The vaccine protected 64% of people against the illness between June 6 and early July, down from a previous 94%. The drop was observed as the delta variant was spreading in Israel, the Health Ministry said. It also coincided with the lifting of virus restrictions at the start of June."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/israel-sees-decline-in-pfizer-vaccine-efficacy-rate-ynet-says/ar-AALMyjQ

Over the weekend I saw more and more immunologists say that masking is a good idea even if fully vaccinated.  Which has been the WHO recommendation in contrast to the CDC.  Many of them couch it in terms of that personally, they wear masks out in public.  A chair of immunology in Australia put it best last week.  In terms of transmission, she said that Delta to a fully vaccinated person is comparable to the original covid virus.  So Delta to a fully vaccinated person is as transmissible as the original Wuhan strain is to an unvaccinated person.

In June, Delta rocketed up and is now the most prevalent strain in California.  I'm fully vaccinated and I will continue to wear a mask.  If not for my sake, then my parents'.  What's been lost over the last few months is that the elderly are less robust.  A fully vaccinated 80 year old is not nearly as protected as a fully vaccinated 40 year old.  A third of the elderly don't have much of a response to the vaccine.  It would be tragic to catch covid, even with no symptoms, and pass it on to my parents with serious consequences.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 08, 2021, 02:22:50 PM
Although Covid-19 cases are rising in California again, the jury is still out as to whether this is a trend, or a blip.  The article noted that statistics for infections, hospitalizations and death are still only a fraction of what it was during the Winter surge.  Experts still believe it is highly unlikely we will see numbers similar to what we saw last Winter.
The Los Angeles Times posted a reaction to the Israeli report that suggested that the Pfizer vaccine is only 64% effective against symptomatic illness from the Delta variant:
"Invariably, there have been scattered reports that have occasionally raised questions about whether vaccines have lowered effectiveness against the Delta variant, including one that emerged out of Israel suggesting that the effectiveness of vaccines available there to protect against symptomatic illness had fallen to 64%, although they remained 93% effective in preventing hospitalization.
"There are many more robust studies that consistently point to strong protection afforded by the vaccines against Delta, and officials have urged the public not to overreact to a single report. In studies cited by Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease expert, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was found to be 88% effective against symptomatic disease from the Delta variant and 96% effective against hospitalization.
"The differing results of the Israeli report may be due to different methodologies, such as rigorously testing vaccinated people for a coronavirus infection even though they had no symptoms, while other studies might only test people who are visibly ill, said UCLA epidemiologist and infectious diseases expert Dr. Robert Kim-Farley.
“'Bottom line, however, is that all these studies continue to show very good efficacy against severe disease and death,' Kim-Farley said. 'The vaccines continue to do what we need them to do most.'
"In addition, the Israeli report reviewed just 300 patients, and small studies can be inaccurate, Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious diseases expert at UC San Francisco, wrote in an email. Studies from Britain, Canada, and Singapore — reviewing records of many more people — showed 80% to 90% vaccine effectiveness against any symptomatic infection and 93% to 96% effectiveness against severe disease.
"Some experts say there is good reason to have full confidence in the vaccines’ effectiveness.
“'Please, no more cries of wolf on variants/vaccine efficacy,' tweeted Deepta Bhattacharya, an associate professor of immunology at the University of Arizona College of Medicine. 'The vaccines still work fine in the real world.'
“'Let’s be perfectly clear about the Delta variant ... this strain is not spreading like wildfire across the U.S. This strain is spreading in highly unvaccinated regions without natural immunity,' added Gandhi in a tweet."

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-08/coronavirus-cases-in-california-rise-for-first-time-in-months-as-delta-variant-spreads
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 08, 2021, 03:55:12 PM
Pfizer plans to ask the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for emergency authorization of a third shot to fight against the latest Covid-19 variants in August.

http://apnews.com/article/europe-coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-34c3f2536747a7c08980d7359a8de70c
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 08, 2021, 06:00:19 PM
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Pfizer plans to ask the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for emergency authorization of a third shot to fight against the latest Covid-19 variants in August.

That matches what's been reported as Israel's intention to fight Delta.  They want to give everyone over 50 a third dose to boost antibody levels.  Since older people already have lower antibody levels in response to the vaccines, waning antibody levels is a concern.  A 5-10x increase from a third dose would make up for it.

As far as I know, Israel hasn't published the data from it's study.  Only a few organizations have seen it.  One of those is Pfizer.  They say the Israeli data is solid and it correlates with their own data.  There are a lot of opinions about the reliability of that study, but I tend to go with BioNTech/Pfizer since they have seen all the data including data that isn't public and I would hope they know the most about their own vaccine.

Here's what the Pfizer CSO says about it.

"It's a small data set, but I think the trend is accurate: six months out, given that Delta is the most contagious variant we have seen, it can cause infections and mild disease," Dolsten said.

Pfizer's own data from the United States showed an erosion of the vaccine efficacy to the mid-80s after six months, Dolsten said, against the variants that were circulating there in the spring."

That 6 month number matches the data from Israel that most of those breakthrough infections are in people who got vaccinated in Jan/Feb.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-pfizer-ask-fda-authorize-221014008.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 09, 2021, 04:50:29 PM
Was Israel ahead of the U.S. in vaccinations?  I thought the U.K. was first before us.  Me and my family were vaccinated in March/April.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 09, 2021, 11:29:32 PM
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Was Israel ahead of the U.S. in vaccinations?  I thought the U.K. was first before us.  Me and my family were vaccinated in March/April.

Israel, the UK and the US all started effectively at the same time.  Within a couple of weeks of one another.  The UK is also planning on a 3rd dose for the fully vaccinated over 50.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on July 10, 2021, 11:39:10 PM
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Israel, the UK and the US all started effectively at the same time.  Within a couple of weeks of one another.  The UK is also planning on a 3rd dose for the fully vaccinated over 50.
The UK is to start a trial on 3rd doses in all approved vaccinations. It will be for a small selected group of individuals. Not a full scale roll out.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 11, 2021, 10:38:37 AM
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The UK is to start a trial on 3rd doses in all approved vaccinations. It will be for a small selected group of individuals. Not a full scale roll out.

That's different from what I was referring to.  There are all sorts of clinical trials with the vaccines going on all around the world.  Not least of which are the clinical trials which were used for the EUAs.  Those trials haven't completed yet.  The new ones that have gotten the most press are the ones looking into mixing the different vaccines.  So first dose from one maker and then the second dose from another.

The NHS is planning for a large scale roll out of a third dose for anyone 50 and over as well as other immunosuppressed people of other ages.  It's estimated that will be 30 million people in the UK.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57667987
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 11, 2021, 01:28:59 PM
Pfizer will meet with U.S. health officials as soon as Monday to discuss the possibility of boosters.  Pfizer says boosters need to be administered within 6-12 months of the initial two-shot regimen to fight against the variants, Dr. Anthony Fauci disagrees saying the two-shot regimen is sufficient and that boosters are not needed now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/10/covid-booster-shot-pfizer
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 11, 2021, 03:32:33 PM
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Pfizer will meet with U.S. health officials as soon as Monday to discuss the possibility of boosters.  Pfizer says boosters need to be administered within 6-12 months of the initial two-shot regimen to fight against the variants, Dr. Anthony Fauci disagrees saying the two-shot regimen is sufficient and that boosters are not needed now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/10/covid-booster-shot-pfizer
Yeah, this feels like "Pfizer trying to stay ahead of the curve," and especially with the older population with lower immunity systems anyway, this doesn't seem like a bad thing.  Like, I think at this moment with the data we have, BOTH of the sides are right
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 11, 2021, 11:51:11 PM
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Yeah, this feels like "Pfizer trying to stay ahead of the curve," and especially with the older population with lower immunity systems anyway, this doesn't seem like a bad thing.  Like, I think at this moment with the data we have, BOTH of the sides are right

In a pandemic, you want to stay ahead of the curve.  We were perpetually behind the curve last year.  That didn't work out well for us.  It wasn't until last week that I heard Fauci give a solid answer to the question of whether fully vaccinated people can catch and spread covid.  Previously he gave a round about answer that concluded it was extremely unlikely.  This even though there have been documented cases of breakthroughs since the start of vaccinations.  Last week I heard him give a straightforward "Yes" when asked that question before continuing on with his normal answer.

My thoughts on the spat at the end of last week are two fold.  First and foremost, the CDC and FDA want to make sure that everyone knows who's the boss.  They seem upset that Pfizer/BioNTech didn't get approval from them to announce that they intend to ask for approval from them.  Which makes no sense.  Drug companies announce they are going to seek approval all the time.  Pfizer/BioNTech didn't say they were going to jab people.  They don't do that.  They said they were going to seek approval for a third dose.  So they got dinged for not seeking approval to ask for approval.

Two, the powers that be are upset about the messaging.  It's hard enough to get about 40% of the US population to get even 1 shot.  Now you are telling them they need to get 3.

So the government seems to be falling back on it has to be an existing problem before proceeding.  Isn't that what we did about a year and a half ago?  That would mean people getting sick and dying.  Since the government is also falling back on it's end point that the vaccines are only about preventing serious illness and death.  Nothing else.  Which hinders our ability to judge the situation.  Since we don't care we don't track breakthrough infections with no or mild symptoms.

If we wait for the problem to happen before acting, we'll be behind the curve again.  I don't see how Pfizer/BioNTech trying to seek approval, which is going to take a while, isn't a good thing.  If we do need it, we'll be prepared.  If we don't need it, what did we lose?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 12, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Israel started their 3rd dose vaccinations yesterday.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-begins-pfizer-booster-shots-for-at-risk-adults-as-delta-cases-rise-11626110100

Also, it turns out you can get one covid strain and then catch another covid strain at the same time.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/12/belgian-woman-infected-with-two-covid-variants-at-the-same-time.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 14, 2021, 11:17:24 AM
Many experts interviewed by The New York Times agree the current Covid-19 vaccines are effective against the Delta variant and that some have felt it was irresponsible for Pfizer to insist that booster shots are needed saying they have caused people to have unnecessary serious doubts about the shots they got.

Speaking for myself, I know that pharmaceutical companies may say things with their bottom line in mind.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/12/well/live/covid-booster-shot.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20210714&instance_id=35294&nl=updates-from-the-newsroom&regi_id=31101109&segment_id=63452&te=1&user_id=ff5fb3dc230c29de893de883c93d6284
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 14, 2021, 02:37:37 PM
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Many experts interviewed by The New York Times agree the current Covid-19 vaccines are effective against the Delta variant and that some have felt it was irresponsible for Pfizer to insist that booster shots are needed saying they have caused people to have unnecessary serious doubts about the shots they got.

Speaking for myself, I know that pharmaceutical companies may say things with their bottom line in mind.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/12/well/live/covid-booster-shot.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20210714&instance_id=35294&nl=updates-from-the-newsroom&regi_id=31101109&segment_id=63452&te=1&user_id=ff5fb3dc230c29de893de883c93d6284
I think one thing both the pro-vaccine/science folks and the anti-vaccine folks can agree with is the Federal messaging for 16 months has been bad: or at best "inconsistent."  I fancy myself somewhat of a logic-minded fellow, and I'll admit it's been incredibly difficult to balance the lines of "Pfizer is acting to stay ahead of the impending disaster that we'll ABSOLUTELY be headed for due to so many idiots who refuse to take the vaccine because of partisan politics" and "of course a billion dollar a year industry like pharmaceuticals, one I loathe for its price gouging, is pushing booster shots for billions of more in profit."
I do think, however, a good bottom line to remember is this:
COVID, similar to the flu, is a constantly mutating virus.  The _ONLY_ way to truly beat this is for the vast majority of folks to get vaccinated so the virus has virtually zero humans to gestate and mutate within.  With that clearly not happening anytime soon, the next-best-thing might be to think of this like the annual flu vaccine (something I have admittedly never gotten, since as a not-elderly or infirm teacher with a typically awesome immune system from being around wind instrument-playing band kids all the time) that needs constant updates to keep us safe.  Right now data suggests the RNA vaccines at least are holding strong against the Delta variant, but that could change as 1) more US cases are reported and studied and 2) COVID mutates in a way that is stronger to fight against the current vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 14, 2021, 04:14:38 PM
My perspective on boosters is:

--The virus is literally evolving.  There will be variants after delta of varying resistance to the vaccines.

--They developed the vaccines at ludacris speed so we didn't get the benefits of all the things they do in a normal development cycle.

--It is only very recently that a decent chunk of the population has been vaccinated so they are still gathering data.

--There's another chunk of the population that is never going to get the vaccine so that will add a wildcard.

All of this combined means that scientists are still learning about the virus and what will be safe in this new world.  I hope boosters aren't required but I will gladly get them if needed.

Just my perspective.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 15, 2021, 04:54:41 PM
On the 1 month anniversary of California lifting it's mask mandate, LA announced that it will be reinstating an indoor mask mandate for both the unvaccinated and the fully vaccinated.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/Los-Angeles-County-to-reinstate-mask-mandate-for-16317998.php

The number of cases are up about 500% in LA.  Unfortunately we aren't that far behind in San Diego.  After hovering at around 100 new cases a day for a long time, we're up to about 300 new cases a day since the mask mandate was lifted.  Public health in SD started having daily covid briefings again this week.

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Speaking for myself, I know that pharmaceutical companies may say things with their bottom line in mind.

I understand that.  Some experts have brought up the same point.  But in this case Pfizer will sell every single dose they can make.  There's no extra money to be made, third dose or not they will sell whatever they can make.  While we have a glut of vaccines in the US, the world is still desperately short of vaccine.  Which is another reason many experts are against a third dose.  Most of the world still has not received a first dose, how can we justify giving some people a third.

If Pfizer was that motivated by the bottom line, they would have taken money from the US government to develop the covid vaccine.  Who turns down free money?  They didn't.  Operation Warp Speed is often credited for making covid vaccines a reality so quickly.  But the first covid vaccine, BioNTech/Pfizer, was developed with no help from that program.  Operation Warp Speed was involved in the distribution of it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on July 15, 2021, 08:02:10 PM
I agree with Dr. Fauci's position that the 3rd booster shot is probably not needed yet for majority of the vaccinated people. Studies have shown the neutralizing antibodies seem like they can last for a few years. They should definitely provide a 3rd jab for immunocompromised people and the elderly in case their antibodies aren't as long-lasting or as strong.

I'm a big pro-vax and pro-mask person but I don't understand the point of needing to purchase a new booster when our fed gov't still has 200 million+ original vaccines. As far as I know, the new booster formula is focused only on the beta variant which isn't prevalent in our country or other countries except maybe South Africa. I haven't seen studies showing that this booster shot will be more effective against the delta variant compared to the original vaccine. I'm sure all vaccinated will need a booster shot in the future but we need to improve our vaccine tech first, meaning we need to see if we can catch up with the right formula towards the right variant and also understand the side effects better so we can treat those who experience bad side effects from the vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on July 16, 2021, 09:01:37 AM
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On the 1 month anniversary of California lifting it's mask mandate, LA announced that it will be reinstating an indoor mask mandate for both the unvaccinated and the fully vaccinated.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/Los-Angeles-County-to-reinstate-mask-mandate-for-16317998.php

The number of cases are up about 500% in LA.
Welp, there goes in trying to get more people vaccinated now.




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Hi Forum! Checking in after a long time away. Went to SDCC 2012-2019. Taking baby steps back into SDCC world - like many of you it's been a helluva pandemic. I was laid off April 2020, haven't been working since.  A few of you may remember my son Will, he attended SDCC with Kelly and I in 2015. Last Nov. he was diagnosed with Stage IV kidney cancer.  They removed a large bump from the back of his head which had broken through his skull - it was a cancer tumor which contained kidney cells. Now has a plate as the back of his head but the little bit of hair he has covers it.  Large tumor on kidney, tumors in liver and spine. He is 28yrs old and is not expected to live past this year but we all keep hoping he has more time. Thank you to all the Forum members who were so kind to him when you met him. SDCC was an amazing experience for him.
I'm trying to reconnect with others but I'm living in such a dark vortex it's hard to remember how to be with people so I'll just say Hello and I guess I'm hoping to rejoin the community...Awkwardly, which is how I do most things.
I am so sorry to hear that about your son. Like others have said on here, I will keep him in my thoughts and prayers too.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 16, 2021, 09:27:01 AM
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Welp, there goes in trying to get more people vaccinated now.
To be fair, I think the stubborn cusses who refuse to get vaccinated weren't going to suddenly do it just to not wear a mask: these were the same fools protesting wearing masks last summer.  I think _maybe_ a way to get more stubborn people vaccinated is to make it incredibly difficult to do 'fun' stuff w/out vaccinations: bars & nightclubs; sporting events; concerts, etc. requiring proof of vaccination.  Newsom isn't going to do that w/the recall looming in September.

We have to face facts that we live in a country where roughly half of the political spectrum is pro-COVID (or so in denial) and hope they don't screw it up for the rest of us by continuing to let COVID mutate so much the vaccine is meaningless and we're back to square one. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on July 16, 2021, 10:36:43 AM
Agreed. People who never intended to get vaccinated didn't change their minds just so they could stop wearing masks. They mostly just stopped wearing masks anyway and were glad nobody yelled at them anymore.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 16, 2021, 11:36:38 AM
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Agreed. People who never intended to get vaccinated didn't change their minds just so they could stop wearing masks. They mostly just stopped wearing masks anyway and were glad nobody yelled at them anymore.

Agreed.  I never thought dropping the mask mandate was a good idea.  The WHO didn't think so either.  It was a political gambit.  The big carrot.  Give people the option of either wearing a mask or getting vaccinated.  I don't know why they thought it would have any impact on people who openly ignored mask mandates already.  Now we've spent that mandate for no real gain.  It was hard enough to get 50-75% of the population to wear masks to begin with, there's no way we are going back to that at a national level.  To their credit, some cities never dropped the mask mandate.

At first I was surprised that so many people still wore masks after the mandate ended.  That's gone now.  I was in Walmart the other day and including myself, there were only 3 of us wearing masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 16, 2021, 12:38:26 PM
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At first I was surprised that so many people still wore masks after the mandate ended.  That's gone now.  I was in Walmart the other day and including myself, there were only 3 of us wearing masks.
We have an almost seven year old, who obviously is unable to get the vaccine at this time.  My wife and I have been extremely cautious over the last 16+ months, and I hate the thought that so many idiots are putting him in danger by not getting vaccinated.  Luckily he hasn't not worn a mask outside since mid-March, and we still mostly wear masks in public.  While the rest of us (wife, myself, 19 year old oldest kid) have been vaccinated for months and are almost certainly statistically not going to get seriously sick if we catch the Delta variant, we're incredibly anxious/worried at the thought of him getting sick.  As an instrumental music teacher, I'm almost livid at the thought that right when it felt like our state/county was getting this thing under control and we could look forward to a fall that was relatively normal in our world, things are continuing to worsen which will likely bring similar guidances that have crippled music programs.

Of course, in principal I'm livid that at this point USA is in a willful dangerous pandemic: one that could easily be contained now, but so many morons are bucking science for no good reason.  Pre-teen kids, immunosuppressive folks, and others who CANNOT get the vaccine are of course placed in higher danger because of Karen who thinks there is a microchip in the vaccine due to the video she saw from a rando on YouTube (that she tweets about from her iPhone or Android that is absolutely tracking everything she does already)  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on July 16, 2021, 01:43:16 PM
True. So, my question is this: how would you get more people vaccinated without going to the extremes to do so? We can all complain all we want, but what is the best course of action to take? Lastly, here’s a counterargument to what LA County is doing to get the brain juices flowing: https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1416023948769341443?s=21

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Speaking of the WHO and something different: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-world-news-health-science-coronavirus-pandemic-c0c594f9060f676c0ea48c2d1c69daec

“WHO chief says it was ‘premature’ to rule out COVID lab leak“

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 16, 2021, 05:55:41 PM
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True. So, my question is this: how would you get more people vaccinated without going to the extremes to do so? We can all complain all we want, but what is the best course of action to take?
France's president announced proof of vaccination would be a requirement for restaurants, airports, and other public events and over 1 million folks (about 1.5%) signed up for vaccination appointments by the end of the day.
https://www.newsy.com/stories/new-covid-19-requirements-in-france-spark-vaccination-rush/
That article from 3 days ago

This is something I was hoping more businesses and organizations (MLB, NBA, MLS, etc) would take but no body has the guts to do.  Given how radically selfish roughly 40% of the population seems to be, I think the government or whomever NEED to be a bit strict here.  To be honest, I'm not patronizing most businesses still because I have a kid too young to be able to get a vaccination & I don't want to risk it.  I've been to some baseball games (though 2/3 were in a vaccinated-only section before CA opened up completely), but that's pretty much it.  I'm not eating in restaurants or going to bars; still not going to movie theaters; or most other businesses (and the ones I've gone to, like Target once for some groceries, I wore a mask).  I think we've seen over the last 16 months we have willfully selfish and willfully ignorant people prolonging this: this is now a willful deadly pandemic that a large swath of the population refuses to control because.... cult-like tendencies, I guess.  Attending ANY public business is more of a privilege than a right, and there can be any number of requirements necessary for customers: this is likely the only thing/hope we have at this point given the stupidity of tens of millions
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: omraged9 on July 16, 2021, 10:23:32 PM
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True. So, my question is this: how would you get more people vaccinated without going to the extremes to do so? We can all complain all we want, but what is the best course of action to take? Lastly, here’s a counterargument to what LA County is doing to get the brain juices flowing: https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1416023948769341443?s=21

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Speaking of the WHO and something different: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-world-news-health-science-coronavirus-pandemic-c0c594f9060f676c0ea48c2d1c69daec

“WHO chief says it was ‘premature’ to rule out COVID lab leak“

To get more people vaccinated, it might be something that's partially up to us as individuals. There are going to be some extremist anti-vax people out there and you probably can't reach them. But there's going to be some people on the fence who aren't sure and they're not fully educated about the importance of vaccination (the idea that it's not just to protect them but also to protect their parents and other family members). You can have personal discussions with them about it. Or if you belong to an online community, you can discuss it there. I find that most people are generally open-minded enough if they're not super political or religious, they're willing to hear you out.

As for the Covid lab leak theory, I was doing some reading on that a month ago and it's fascinating stuff. I was one of those who didn't believe in the lab leak theory but I'm more open to the theory now. I think last year when it was super politicized, people who were the "believers" really believed that China released covid intentionally as a biological weapon, not that it was a lab leak accident. Now that there's more information out there and China is still refusing to cooperate with the investigation into the origins of covid, the lab leak theory is a lot more plausible. I was following some twitter threads by a Chinese Canadian scientist who discussed the idea of "gain of function" research, how dangerous it can be if lab researchers are too brash or aren't careful enough in following protective protocols.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 17, 2021, 12:16:27 AM
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True. So, my question is this: how would you get more people vaccinated without going to the extremes to do so? We can all complain all we want, but what is the best course of action to take? Lastly, here’s a counterargument to what LA County is doing to get the brain juices flowing: https://twitter.com/cnbc/status/1416023948769341443?s=21

Why is switching to a stick an "extreme"?  Living in society has rules.  Violating those rules have consequences.  Why should masking and vaccinations be any different?  Both in terms of masking and vaccinations, we have been treating the unwilling with kid gloves.  I think it's time for that to stop.  It hasn't worked.  Even though there is precedent in the US for the government requiring everyone to be vaccinated.  Personally, I would shy away from that.  At an employer-employee level, it's common.  There are all types of jobs where people are required to be vaccinated.  At the last place I worked during flu season, everyone had two choices.  Get vaccinated or wear a mask.  I guess they had a third choice of finding somewhere else to work.  In schools, that's how polio and measles were defeated.  Every student was required to be vaccinated.  Unfortunately we have pulled back from that and now measles is making a come back.

Other countries have dealt with it to good effect by using vaccine passports.  Unless you are vaccinated or otherwise have immunity you can't stay at hotels, you can't shop at stores, you can't go to the movies, you can't eat at restaurants.  In some places it's mandated by the government, in others it's being required by individual businesses.  It's worked.

As for masking, there are laws people abide by everyday that have the same level of personal freedom taken away.  Some people don't like to wear clothes.  If they walked around naked in public in much of the US, I don't think it would go over very well.  People are required to wear seat belts in most areas.  There are helmet laws for people riding bikes and motorcycles.  Living in any society is about having your personal freedom governed.  Why is masking any different?

The largest union of nurses in the US is openly calling for the CDC to reinstate universal mask wearing.

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/nurses-urge-cdc-to-reinstate-universal-masking

Every country so far that thought they had reached herd immunity, declared victory and dropped precautions has regretted it when their cases spiked again.  I don't know why we thought we would be any different.  Those countries have acknowledged their mistake, reversed course and reinstated precautions.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 17, 2021, 11:51:27 AM
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Why is switching to a stick an "extreme"?  Living in society has rules.  Violating those rules have consequences.  Why should masking and vaccinations be any different?  Both in terms of masking and vaccinations, we have been treating the unwilling with kid gloves.  I think it's time for that to stop.  It hasn't worked.  Even though there is precedent in the US for the government requiring everyone to be vaccinated.  Personally, I would shy away from that.  At an employer-employee level, it's common.  There are all types of jobs where people are required to be vaccinated.  At the last place I worked during flu season, everyone had two choices.  Get vaccinated or wear a mask.  I guess they had a third choice of finding somewhere else to work.  In schools, that's how polio and measles were defeated.  Every student was required to be vaccinated.  Unfortunately we have pulled back from that and now measles is making a come back.

Other countries have dealt with it to good effect by using vaccine passports.  Unless you are vaccinated or otherwise have immunity you can't stay at hotels, you can't shop at stores, you can't go to the movies, you can't eat at restaurants.  In some places it's mandated by the government, in others it's being required by individual businesses.  It's worked.

As for masking, there are laws people abide by everyday that have the same level of personal freedom taken away.  Some people don't like to wear clothes.  If they walked around naked in public in much of the US, I don't think it would go over very well.  People are required to wear seat belts in most areas.  There are helmet laws for people riding bikes and motorcycles.  Living in any society is about having your personal freedom governed.  Why is masking any different?

The largest union of nurses in the US is openly calling for the CDC to reinstate universal mask wearing.

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/nurses-urge-cdc-to-reinstate-universal-masking

Every country so far that thought they had reached herd immunity, declared victory and dropped precautions has regretted it when their cases spiked again.  I don't know why we thought we would be any different.  Those countries have acknowledged their mistake, reversed course and reinstated precautions.
The problem with masking mandates, IMO, is that people didn't wear them anyway.  We already had the LA Sheriff this am say he wouldn't enforce the mandate because he didn't believe in the science of it.  Mandates are only as strong as their enforcement, and in the mask mandates, many municipalities in my neck of the woods in SoCA did not enforce them and left them up to the minimum wage employees to deal with the insufferable Karens.

I'm 100% with you that we need to take the kid gloves off & the vaccination passports are the only logical step.  Want to go to a restaurant?  Vaccination passport required.  Want to go see the Dodgers?  Vaccination passport.  Want to enter an airport?  Vaccination passport.  Foo Fighters concert at the Forum (which was postponed because a member of the FF team has COVID BTW)?  Vaccination passport.  Like, literally make everything fun that people want to do require a Vaccination Passport. 

Of course, I have no idea the legalities of that.  Unfortunately, I suspect COVID will follow the all-too-familiar course of American preventable tragedies: massive gun violence, opioid OD's, homelessness, climate crisis, etc.  It'll just become normalized until it spins wildly out of control and then...I actually dunno what the end game is with this one.  We've failed as a species caring about our planet, I don't see us doing much better with COVID
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 18, 2021, 11:27:51 AM
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The problem with masking mandates, IMO, is that people didn't wear them anyway.  We already had the LA Sheriff this am say he wouldn't enforce the mandate because he didn't believe in the science of it.  Mandates are only as strong as their enforcement, and in the mask mandates, many municipalities in my neck of the woods in SoCA did not enforce them and left them up to the minimum wage employees to deal with the insufferable Karens.
with COVID

Yes, many anti-maskers ignored the mask mandate.  But many of them did wear masks because of the mask mandate.  I've heard enough anti-maskers complaining about it in stores while wearing masks.  The wiling did.  The CDC prematurely ending the mask mandate gave everyone the message that covid is over.  Stop wearing those masks.  The number of cases going back up instead of continuing down clearly testify to the result of that move.

In the US, law enforcement is at the discretion of each officer.  In the end it's up to each officer to decide what is illegal or not and who to enforce a law against.  The police are under no obligation to enforce any law.  Even if they are present while someone is being murdered, they are under no requirement to help.  Ironically, in most of the US, the public are legally required to help the police when asked.  California repealed the penal code requiring citizens to help the police a couple of years ago.  If an officer has a superior, then that person can make them enforce a law.  In the case of a elected sheriff, they have no superior.  Other than limiting their funding, there is nothing that be done other than voting them out of office at the next election.

There are other tools that the government can use to enforce laws that don't involve law enforcement.  How the FAA enforces drone laws is a prime example of that.  The FAA doesn't need law enforcement to enforce it's rules.  After a few people got $100,000 fines for just flying a drone without checking all the boxes, most people got the message.

Mask mandates work.  They send a message.  They set an expectation.  Many people do abide by them.  They give cover for businesses to require masks.  Without that, many business will not do so.  Even while it was still the law, many businesses in California gave up that requirement when the CDC dropped the mask mandate.

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I'm 100% with you that we need to take the kid gloves off & the vaccination passports are the only logical step.  Want to go to a restaurant?  Vaccination passport required.  Want to go see the Dodgers?  Vaccination passport.  Want to enter an airport?  Vaccination passport.  Foo Fighters concert at the Forum (which was postponed because a member of the FF team has COVID BTW)?  Vaccination passport.  Like, literally make everything fun that people want to do require a Vaccination Passport. 

Of course, I have no idea the legalities of that.  Unfortunately, I suspect COVID will follow the all-too-familiar course of American preventable tragedies: massive gun violence, opioid OD's, homelessness, climate crisis, etc.  It'll just become normalized until it spins wildly out of control and then...I actually dunno what the end game is with this one.  We've failed as a species caring about our planet, I don't see us doing much better with COVID

A private business can refuse service to anyone.  Unless required by law, they can make anything a requirement for entry.  They can make you wear a shirt, shoes or a mask.  Failure to do so and pushing their way through like a lot of entitled anti-maskers do is then trespassing.  Which is something that people can be arrested for.  But that brings us back to whether the police will do their job. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on July 18, 2021, 08:36:55 PM
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Why is switching to a stick an "extreme"?  Living in society has rules.  Violating those rules have consequences.  Why should masking and vaccinations be any different?  Both in terms of masking and vaccinations, we have been treating the unwilling with kid gloves.  I think it's time for that to stop.  It hasn't worked.  Even though there is precedent in the US for the government requiring everyone to be vaccinated.  Personally, I would shy away from that.  At an employer-employee level, it's common.  There are all types of jobs where people are required to be vaccinated.  At the last place I worked during flu season, everyone had two choices.  Get vaccinated or wear a mask.  I guess they had a third choice of finding somewhere else to work.  In schools, that's how polio and measles were defeated.  Every student was required to be vaccinated.  Unfortunately we have pulled back from that and now measles is making a come back.

Other countries have dealt with it to good effect by using vaccine passports.  Unless you are vaccinated or otherwise have immunity you can't stay at hotels, you can't shop at stores, you can't go to the movies, you can't eat at restaurants.  In some places it's mandated by the government, in others it's being required by individual businesses.  It's worked.

As for masking, there are laws people abide by everyday that have the same level of personal freedom taken away.  Some people don't like to wear clothes.  If they walked around naked in public in much of the US, I don't think it would go over very well.  People are required to wear seat belts in most areas.  There are helmet laws for people riding bikes and motorcycles.  Living in any society is about having your personal freedom governed.  Why is masking any different?

The largest union of nurses in the US is openly calling for the CDC to reinstate universal mask wearing.

https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/nurses-urge-cdc-to-reinstate-universal-masking

Every country so far that thought they had reached herd immunity, declared victory and dropped precautions has regretted it when their cases spiked again.  I don't know why we thought we would be any different.  Those countries have acknowledged their mistake, reversed course and reinstated precautions.
“Why is switching to a stick an ‘extreme’?  Living in society has rules.  Violating those rules have consequences.  Why should masking and vaccinations be any different?  Both in terms of masking and vaccinations, we have been treating the unwilling with kid gloves.  I think it's time for that to stop.  It hasn't worked.” The problem is, the more you go hardcore in whatever you are trying to enforce, the more likely people will become more defiant. Think like having a teenager who will rebel the more you try to discipline them. Overall, we humans just love breaking rules and will do whatever it takes to be defiant. It is not just in the US. Perhaps sharing more stories of those who were against vaccines 24/7 to later regret not getting vaccinated before getting COVID-19 might help the campaign in getting more vaccinated? Try to make it hit home better?

“Unless you are vaccinated or otherwise have immunity you can't stay at hotels, you can't shop at stores, you can't go to the movies, you can't eat at restaurants.  In some places it's mandated by the government, in others it's being required by individual businesses.  It's worked.“ I think this part fits well in the ‘extreme’ topic. What you listed there probably wouldn’t do well in court, and the unvaccinated wouldn’t be able to get groceries which means another new problem and chaos, too. Remember, what works well in one place doesn’t mean it will in others. Same with vaccine passports. Also, about other countries, Spain's Constitutional Court ruled a few days ago that last year’s COVID-19 home confinement was unconstitutional. This opens the door to challenge other mandates over there.

“Living in any society is about having your personal freedom governed. Why is masking any different?“
I think the inconsistency on mask use when the pandemic got going probably didn’t help. Even now it is still not good. Also, some probably think masking is a way Big Brother controls you. Plus, pandemic fatigue.

“Those countries have acknowledged their mistake, reversed course and reinstated precautions.“
We wouldn’t be humans if we didn’t. But if needed, is forcing people to stay indoors, shut businesses down, and hurting an economy once another variant is spreading everywhere (regardless of vaccines and treatments) the only way to fight the virus? Lastly, on the nurses union topic, I think no one is shocked they are asking the CDC to do that. I expect the CDC to again recommend putting on a mask when indoors for all soon.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 18, 2021, 10:28:04 PM
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The problem is, the more you go hardcore in whatever you are trying to enforce, the more likely people will become more defiant. Think like having a teenager who will rebel the more you try to discipline them. Overall, we humans just love breaking rules and will do whatever it takes to be defiant. It is not just in the US.

That can be said of any law.  I have a car that can go 140MPH, why shouldn't I have the personal freedom to drive 140MPH?  Are traffic laws extreme?  Should we drop all traffic laws and just ask people to be good?  Why are mask laws any different?

I found it ironic that so many people that always professed how they are pro law and order all of a sudden weren't willing to follow the law.  I guess they meant they are pro law and order as long as the law is not applied to them.

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Perhaps sharing more stories of those who were against vaccines 24/7 to later regret not getting vaccinated before getting COVID-19 might help the campaign in getting more vaccinated? Try to make it hit home better?

I agree, that would be a better way to go.  Unfortunately that's been happening for the last year and half with masking, social distancing, stay at home and vaccinations.  So many people that were anti all that stuff and then caught covid testified that they should have taken it seriously.  It hasn't worked.

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I think this part fits well in the ‘extreme’ topic. What you listed there probably wouldn’t do well in court

Then all laws are "extreme".

It would do fine in the courts.  Except for certain things mandated by law, private businesses can refuse service to anyone.  Contrary to how some people feel, seeing a movie or eating in a restaurant is not an entitlement guaranteed by the Constitution.  Businesses can have all sorts of requirements to enter like the common shirts and shoes policy.  A business can deny you service just because they don't feel like serving you.  This was famously decided recently by the Supreme Court.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/supreme-court-tosses-ruling-against-bakers-who-refused-cake-for-gay-couple

Requiring vaccinations for service should not be a problem.  What wouldn't do well in court are things like the executive order in Florida that has banned private businesses from requiring vaccinations for service.  In most likelihood, that governor has exceeded this authority.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/can-businesses-require-vaccination-proof-experts-say-yes/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 22, 2021, 06:59:42 AM
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Hi Forum! Checking in after a long time away. Went to SDCC 2012-2019. Taking baby steps back into SDCC world - like many of you it's been a helluva pandemic. I was laid off April 2020, haven't been working since.  A few of you may remember my son Will, he attended SDCC with Kelly and I in 2015. Last Nov. he was diagnosed with Stage IV kidney cancer.  They removed a large bump from the back of his head which had broken through his skull - it was a cancer tumor which contained kidney cells. Now has a plate as the back of his head but the little bit of hair he has covers it.  Large tumor on kidney, tumors in liver and spine. He is 28yrs old and is not expected to live past this year but we all keep hoping he has more time. Thank you to all the Forum members who were so kind to him when you met him. SDCC was an amazing experience for him.
I'm trying to reconnect with others but I'm living in such a dark vortex it's hard to remember how to be with people so I'll just say Hello and I guess I'm hoping to rejoin the community...Awkwardly, which is how I do most things. 


first @AlaskaRainbow (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=525) I am devastated to hear this news. And yes, it helps to reconnect with friends. I've been going through some family issues and have not been as attentive as i should to this thread.

i think i'm going to prune this line off into another thread so we can give it the attention it deserves.

thank you @Andrew Costa Mesa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=460) for the suggestion.

Here is the new topic link https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?topic=11874.0

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 22, 2021, 07:39:50 AM
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That can be said of any law.  I have a car that can go 140MPH, why shouldn't I have the personal freedom to drive 140MPH?  Are traffic laws extreme?  Should we drop all traffic laws and just ask people to be good?  Why are mask laws any different?
Seriously; mandatory seatbelts to me always felt like a repressive mandate against my right to chose what _I_ want to do in a way that impacts only _me_.  Same with helmet laws for motorcyclists.

And yet it's been the law of the land since I was in elementary school, and I put my seatbelt on every time I get in the car w/out thinking about it.  When I rode a motorcycle I _always_ wore a helmet (and a full one that covered/protected by face).  Why?  Partially because I'm mature enough to know what's good to do; partially because the fines for getting pulled over w/out a seatbelt = an expensive fine (or at least, more expensive than I care to pay).

Actual laws that are enforced are great deterrents for most.  "Extreme" measures for those stupid enough to deny science and endanger the rest of society would likely be a deterrent for many of those folks as well; the alternative is they're screwing the rest of us by not letting us return to a sense of normal.  I'm tired of catering to the stubborn a-hole variants of society who have shown they have no interests in wearing a mask nor vaccinating: I'm all for turning the screw on them and bringing many of them up to speed with the rest of intelligent society.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 22, 2021, 10:36:11 AM
Reports are coming in about a memo the NFL sent its member teams regarding consequences of the 2021 season that IMO are the type of substantial rules that should be implemented everywhere possible:
* a team that has to postpone a game due to unvaccinated COVID infection of their players/coaches, but cannot reschedule during the regular 18-week season, will FORFEIT the game, and be credited with an official loss
* any team that has to forfeit/cancel a match due to team/player COVID outbreak will be responsible for financial losses and subject to potential discipline from the commissioner
* from the memo: "we do not anticipate adding a '19th week' to accommodate games the cannot be rescheduled w/in the current 18 weeks of the regular season."  Essentially, play on time, or don't play and reap the consequences
* some harsh verbiage: "every club is obligated under the Constitution and Bylaws (of the league) to have its team ready to play at the scheduled time and place.  A failure to do so is deemed conduct detrimental.  There is no right to postpone a game."
Conversely (also in the memo):
* vaccinated players who test positive and are asymptomatic can return to duty after 2 negative tests 24 hours apart; unvaccinated will be subject to mandatory 10-day isolation (which could be missing 2 games)

Now if only the NFL would hold similar responsibilities to its attendees (vaccinated only allowed admittance)...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 22, 2021, 11:06:14 AM
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Seriously; mandatory seatbelts to me always felt like a repressive mandate against my right to chose what _I_ want to do in a way that impacts only _me_.  Same with helmet laws for motorcyclists.

And yet it's been the law of the land since I was in elementary school, and I put my seatbelt on every time I get in the car w/out thinking about it.  When I rode a motorcycle I _always_ wore a helmet (and a full one that covered/protected by face).  Why?  Partially because I'm mature enough to know what's good to do; partially because the fines for getting pulled over w/out a seatbelt = an expensive fine (or at least, more expensive than I care to pay).

Actual laws that are enforced are great deterrents for most.  "Extreme" measures for those stupid enough to deny science and endanger the rest of society would likely be a deterrent for many of those folks as well; the alternative is they're screwing the rest of us by not letting us return to a sense of normal.  I'm tired of catering to the stubborn a-hole variants of society who have shown they have no interests in wearing a mask nor vaccinating: I'm all for turning the screw on them and bringing many of them up to speed with the rest of intelligent society.

I was thinking about seatbelts the other day and how back in the 80s a lot of people didn't wear them.  Now it's just habit and feels weird not to wear one.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 22, 2021, 11:32:06 AM
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I was thinking about seatbelts the other day and how back in the 80s a lot of people didn't wear them.  Now it's just habit and feels weird not to wear one.
I was dopey as a youngin' (HS & college).  After hearing a story from George Lucas about how as a kid he was in a serious car accident that threw him from the car before it smashed into a tree or something, and my (dumb) takeaway was "if he'd been wearing a seatbelt there would be no Star Wars!"  But I did comply back then because I didn't want to add $$ to whatever ticket I'd be getting when pulled over (in OH growing up, cops couldn't pull you over JUST for not wearing a seatbelt; my dad, who worked with law enforcement is career, once said that if one was polite and compliant w/cops when pulled over for speeding you'd have a decent shot of getting out of a ticket but if you also were not wearing a seatbelt it would give the cops more reason to throw the book at ya).  I remember when those laws went into effect, and hearing adults complain about seatbelts as if it were some monumental hardship; for a time in the late 80's, "automatic seatbelts" were a thing in cars, to make it even easier for people to be legally compliant/safe(r), though I suspect they did little in an impact and that's why you don't see em anymore
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 22, 2021, 07:26:03 PM
Israel released updated numbers this week.  The news is getting worse as they get more data.  The efficacy rate of fully vaccinated, 2 dose of BioNTech/Pfizer, is down to "39% effective against infection, while being only 41% effective in preventing symptomatic COVID."  That's 20% lower than it was 2 weeks ago.  Importantly, that's an average.  The efficacy rate is much lower for people that were vaccinated early, "People vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, effectiveness was at 75%."  Their data is showing a convincing argument for waning immunity.  This is why Pfizer says we should get a third dose.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-uk-data-offer-mixed-signals-on-vaccines-potency-against-delta-strain/

Also, LA says now that 20% of new covid cases are vaccinated.  That's a pretty high number considering those people should be symptomatic.  Since the policy in the US is if you are vaccinated and don't have symptoms then you shouldn't be tested.  The infection rate has to be higher.

https://www.newsweek.com/20-new-los-angeles-covid-cases-are-vaccinated-people-delta-variant-spikes-1612405

This is so frustrating.  Last year we saw covid coming and did not much of anything.  We doubted it would be that bad.  A couple of months we saw Delta coming on like a freight train and we did less than nothing.  We again doubted it would be that bad.  This time instead of preparing for it, we gave up our most effective countermeasure.  We gave up masking.  We don't learn.  The last Surgeon General has admitted it was a mistake for him and others to tell people they didn't need to wear masks last year.  He says it was a mistake for the CDC to tell people to stop wearing masks this year.

I'm fully vaccinated.  I never stopped wearing my mask.  I'm seriously considering going back into self imposed lockdown.  I won't risk my parents and my grandmother.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 23, 2021, 02:48:53 PM
A staggering new number of covid cases will be published this afternoon for San Diego.  A month ago when CA dropped the mask requirement, we were hovering at around 100 new cases a day.  By a week ago, we were hovering at around 500 new cases a day.  Today there are 1,264 new cases for the last 24 hour period.  That's back to the number of cases we had during the back end of the winter surge.  Importantly we aren't testing nearly as much as we were 6 months ago.  So there are probably many cases going undetected.  Of these known cases, 11% are the fully vaccinated.  I think I'll switch back to a N95.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 23, 2021, 03:24:33 PM
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A staggering new number of covid cases will be published this afternoon for San Diego.  A month ago when CA dropped the mask requirement, we were hovering at around 100 new cases a day.  By a week ago, we were hovering at around 500 new cases a day.  Today there are 1,264 new cases for the last 24 hour period.  That's back to the number of cases we had during the back end of the winter surge.  Importantly we aren't testing nearly as much as we were 6 months ago.  So there are probably many cases going undetected.  Of these known cases, 11% are the fully vaccinated.  I think I'll switch back to a N95.

Aww geez.  We basically only have 4 months to get things under control before turkey day and it goes defcon 1 again.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SDcomics on July 23, 2021, 04:04:25 PM
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Aww geez.  We basically only have 4 months to get things under control before turkey day and it goes defcon 1 again.

I don't want to sound like a Negative Nancy, but I'm not even really thinking about Comic-Con Special Edition anymore.  Realistically I think there's very little chance of that happening.

I'm worried about WonderCon and Comic-Con 2022. 

Wow.  This sucks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 23, 2021, 05:19:36 PM
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I don't want to sound like a Negative Nancy, but I'm not even really thinking about Comic-Con Special Edition anymore.  Realistically I think there's very little chance of that happening.

I'm worried about WonderCon and Comic-Con 2022. 

Wow.  This sucks.

Yeah, my concern is when everyone starts travelling for the holidays all hell is going to break loose.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 23, 2021, 08:10:33 PM
It seems that even as the Biden administration was publicly rebuking Pfizer for bringing up a third dose, it was working behind the scenes to follow Pfizer's recommendation.  The US has already exercised an option to buy another 200 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine.  Now the leaks coming out of the administration are that it's preparing to give a third dose to the vulnerable including people 65 and over.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/us/covid-vaccine-boosters.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SDcomics on July 23, 2021, 09:31:28 PM
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Yeah, my concern is when everyone starts traveling for the holidays all hell is going to break loose.

The New York Comic-Con is going to be another test (If they even have it).  That has the potential to be a mother of a super-spreader.

Wow.  This really, really sucks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 25, 2021, 05:38:33 PM
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"People vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, effectiveness was at 75%."

This time instead of preparing for it, we gave up our most effective countermeasure.  We gave up masking.  We don't learn.  The last Surgeon General has admitted it was a mistake for him and others to tell people they didn't need to wear masks last year.  He says it was a mistake for the CDC to tell people to stop wearing masks this year.

I guess it was a good thing me and my family were not among the first people and that we didn’t get ours until Spring.

I blame the anti-maskers and people who were against lockdowns for us opening before we were ready.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on July 25, 2021, 09:04:32 PM
I read the worst place to be is in a plane, followed by a bar.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 26, 2021, 02:04:53 AM
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I don't want to sound like a Negative Nancy, but I'm not even really thinking about Comic-Con Special Edition anymore.  Realistically I think there's very little chance of that happening.

It‘s not going to happen and even if it does, I’m not going.  I agree even 2022 is now in doubt.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 26, 2021, 02:06:23 AM
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The New York Comic-Con is going to be another test (If they even have it).  That has the potential to be a mother of a super-spreader.

Glad I didn’t get my ticket.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 26, 2021, 02:07:35 AM
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Yeah, my concern is when everyone starts travelling for the holidays all hell is going to break loose.

I’m staying home for Thanksgiving and Christmas like last year.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on July 26, 2021, 06:03:09 AM
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I read the worst place to be is in a plane, followed by a bar.

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That hasn't been my experience.  I've traveled a few times on a plane.  You have to wear a mask, and the cleaning crews barely let you get off the plane before they scrub it down.  The bathrooms are cleaner than i've ever seen them. Newark Airport, which I usually fly out of is cleaner than I've ever seen it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on July 26, 2021, 06:10:26 AM
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Yeah, my concern is when everyone starts travelling for the holidays all hell is going to break loose.

Traveling is already increased.  The challenge the airports are having is getting the crowds thru security in a timely fashion.  I'm hearing stories of it's taking up to 2 hours.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SDcomics on July 26, 2021, 07:20:33 AM
And if Comic-Con 2022 does get cancelled (And God, I hope it doesn't because I miss SDCC so much) that means we will be looking at FOUR YEARS between shows at least.

Hokey smokes, Bullwinkle. 

I don't know how much longer the organizers of this show can survive without income.  I realize they're a non profit, but they still have expenses.  They have full time paid employees and they need office space.  I don't know if the sales from the "Comic-Con @ Home" tee shirts is bringing in a lot of cash.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 26, 2021, 07:33:26 AM
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I don't know how much longer the organizers of this show can survive without income.  I realize they're a non profit, but they still have expenses.  They have full time paid employees and they need office space.  I don't know if the sales from the "Comic-Con @ Home" tee shirts is bringing in a lot of cash.
FWIW CCI received a few rounds of the Federal loan money (that doesn't have to be paid back if they don't lay off any employees) so they at least have that going for 'em
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SDcomics on July 26, 2021, 07:52:08 AM
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FWIW CCI received a few rounds of the Federal loan money (that doesn't have to be paid back if they don't lay off any employees) so they at least have that going for 'em

That's good to know.  Thank you for that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on July 26, 2021, 10:59:52 AM
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FWIW CCI received a few rounds of the Federal loan money (that doesn't have to be paid back if they don't lay off any employees) so they at least have that going for 'em

Can you point to where you got that information.  I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 26, 2021, 12:48:05 PM
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Traveling is already increased.  The challenge the airports are having is getting the crowds thru security in a timely fashion.  I'm hearing stories of it's taking up to 2 hours.

i have been traveling a fair amout & have encountered no delays but i have tsa pre-check

i will say i landed in philly last week at 11pm (2 hr's late) and walked by 2 or 3 packed gates for Spirt airlines

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 26, 2021, 02:18:29 PM
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Can you point to where you got that information.  I'm just curious.
They received two rounds of PPP loans.  Their official non-profit entity name is 'SAN DIEGO COMIC CONVENTION'

* May 2020,  $1,279,356 https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/san-diego-comic-convention-1089987703 (https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/san-diego-comic-convention-1089987703) which has been forgiven (meaning, they laid off 0 employees and don't have to pay back)
* April 2021, $1,279,355 https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/san-diego-comic-convention-1240478910 (https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/san-diego-comic-convention-1240478910) (status unknown since it's a "new" loan)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 26, 2021, 03:10:58 PM
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They received two rounds of PPP loans.  Their official non-profit entity name is 'SAN DIEGO COMIC CONVENTION'

* May 2020,  $1,279,356 https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/san-diego-comic-convention-1089987703 (https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/san-diego-comic-convention-1089987703) which has been forgiven (meaning, they laid off 0 employees and don't have to pay back)
* April 2021, $1,279,355 https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/san-diego-comic-convention-1240478910 (https://projects.propublica.org/coronavirus/bailouts/loans/san-diego-comic-convention-1240478910) (status unknown since it's a "new" loan)

I wonder why the 2nd loan was for $1 dollar less.   :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 26, 2021, 03:39:59 PM
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I wonder why the 2nd loan was for $1 dollar less.   :)
That amused me too.  The website has an itemized accounting for CCI's expenses, while the 2nd just has one lump-sum for "payroll" + $1 for "utilities"

Also, I was slightly mistaken on my last post; CCI had $1,292,033/$1,279,356 forgiven; that being said the "jobs reported" figure is the same for both the 2020 paperwork & 2021, so they didn't appear to let anyone go.

*note, not only am I 'just' a teacher; and not only am I 'just' a music teacher.  My main instrument is percussion (fancy word for "drummer"  :P though I can indeed rock a marimba concerto as well as I rock drum set and yes: I've performed both over the years  8) ).  I am in no way a banker, nor do I have much more knowledge of this stuff than the average person.  I have some broad knowledge as my mom was a bank VP, and right before she retired in April 2020 she was working HARD processing her customers' PPP loan apps before she retired; I did hear a little bit of info/some (really, mostly irrelevant) 'inside baseball' about the program.  I'm in no way an expert on ANY of this financial stuff (or, if I'm being honest, most financial stuff - DRUMMER, HERE!), and likely won't comment further on any of this.  I was incredibly happy to see CCI was able to get PPP loans via both rounds, and I sincerely hope it helps them stay financially secure during these awful years of zero/little revenue (dunno how selling merch impacts their bottom line, other than a lot that they sold from back-stock likely helped them).  I do know some small local businesses who were unable to secure PPP loan in the first round, as there was a processing error: so yea Comic-Con!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 26, 2021, 06:33:09 PM
At the urging of federal regulators, both Pfizer and Moderna will expand vaccine studies on children 5-11.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/26/nation/pfizer-biontech-moderna-expand-covid-19-vaccine-studies-children-5-11/?event=event12
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 27, 2021, 12:23:02 PM
The CDC has reinstated the mask recommendation for fully vaccinated people in high transmission areas.  Based on the map I saw, San Diego(as is all of Southern California) is a high transmission area.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guidelines-mask-wearing-vaccinated-indoors/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on July 27, 2021, 12:32:11 PM
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The CDC has reinstated the mask recommendation for fully vaccinated people in high transmission areas.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cdc-guidelines-mask-wearing-vaccinated-indoors/
Being honest here, this news is not really shocking to see. The writing was on the wall for sometime. Heck, I did say it would happen eventually, targeted or not.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 27, 2021, 02:50:16 PM
On a lighter note, I saw a reaction video where someone was in all ahegao clothes and the reactors said:  "That's really smart for social distancing.  You wear that and people will stay the [bad word] away from you."

It was a great point--I was dying.  :)  That's one way to achieve 6 foot separation.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 27, 2021, 04:53:07 PM
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Being honest here, this news is not really shocking to see. The writing was on the wall for sometime. Heck, I did say it would happen eventually, targeted or not.
Seriously: it's more of a "maybe a bit too late?" announcement IMO.  I'm actually a bit bummed that it was (seemingly: heard from a colleague with a MUCH higher pay grade in the San Diego education industry than I) that public school teachers were NOT part of the mandatory vaccination plan in CA.  I suspect it's because we have such a MASSIVE teacher shortage as it is, and the gov was advised not to potentially push more educators away.
But as the parent of a seven year old, it scares me to think his teacher may not be vaccinated.  There are still no changes in education guidance from when we had the tiered system, so I don't know at this point IF anything will change; masks are still required on all preK-12 campuses so at least there's that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 27, 2021, 07:42:01 PM
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Seriously: it's more of a "maybe a bit too late?" announcement IMO.

The CDC is slow, but it gets there.  Eventually.  Most of the time.  I remember a comment from someone like "The CDC is a great peace time organization".  Meaning that the CDC is great when there's no crisis but when there is they are too slow.  It seems like the CDC is always fighting the last battle.  Until this last week, they seem like they were basing their decisions on the alpha variant.  Finally, they have caught up with delta.  Now they recommend masks again and are on the verge of recommending a booster shot.  Unfortunately, in a pandemic, that is way too slow.  You want to be on top of the curve, if not in front.  Not standing off to the side as the curve goes right by you.  We need someone in charge of pandemic response.  In both the current and the last administration, the CDC has shown it shouldn't be them.  It's time to reform the pandemic response team that the Trump administration disbanded.

US public health constantly gets masking wrong.  The last Surgeon General said in an interview over the weekend that they were trying to save N95 masks for healthcare workers when they told the public that we didn't need to wear masks and to instead wash our hands.  They hadn't intended to start the anti-mask movement.  Why couldn't they have just been upfront about it?  Wearing a masks is critical but we don't have enough N95 masks to go around.  The frontline health workers need those.  Please do your best with what you can get.  Wrap a t-shirt around your face.  Make a mask out of a paper towel.  Do the best you can.  Instead they told people that they didn't need to mask up.  That message has stuck with about half of America.

Masking should be just about the last thing we stop doing, when it's clear the pandemic is well under control.  Instead we put it away it at the drop of a hat.  We don't learn.  It's not too late.  Masking is still the most effective tool we have.  The CDC reversing course gives local governments and businesses the cover again to enforce masking.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on July 28, 2021, 10:13:38 AM
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On a lighter note, I saw a reaction video where someone was in all ahegao clothes and the reactors said:  "That's really smart for social distancing.  You wear that and people will stay the [bad word] away from you."

It was a great point--I was dying.  :)  That's one way to achieve 6 foot separation.

yepers- #backingSlowlyAway
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 28, 2021, 10:20:30 AM
Today Pfizer released the data from their ongoing study that persuaded them to recommend a third dose.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on July 28, 2021, 05:00:50 PM
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Today Pfizer released the data from their ongoing study that persuaded them to recommend a third dose.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1

OK, me and my family are sold on a booster.  I hope Moderna gets on the bandwagon because that’s what me and my mother got, although my brother and sister-in-law got Pfizer.

I belong to a pro-mask/pro-vaccine group on Facebook and this is what someone said in response:

“I'd like to see someone besides Pfizer recommend this.  Pfizer obviously would like people to get boosters so they can sell more vaccines and make more money.”
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 28, 2021, 07:33:21 PM
Yeah, if we need boosters that is not a big deal to me even if we need annual boosters.  The time it takes now to get the vaccine is the roundtrip from the parking lot to go in and get a shot that takes 2 seconds with a 15 minute wait at CVS and back out to the car.

It's not really a inconvenience from my perspective.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 28, 2021, 08:32:44 PM
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OK, me and my family are sold on a booster.  I hope Moderna gets on the bandwagon because that’s what me and my mother got, although my brother and sister-in-law got Pfizer.

I belong to a pro-mask/pro-vaccine group on Facebook and this is what someone said in response:

“I'd like to see someone besides Pfizer recommend this.  Pfizer obviously would like people to get boosters so they can sell more vaccines and make more money.”

The person that said that hasn't been paying attention.  As I said a couple of weeks ago, both the NHS and the Health Ministry in Israel recommended a booster before Pfizer came out publicly.  If money is motivation then they have every motivation to not recommend boosters since it'll cost them money.  I've also said this before, Pfizer will sell every single dose it can make booster or not.  There's no extra money to be made.  So that's an erroneous argument.

The world is not as that person thinks.  It's not like it's portrayed in the movies.  I've worked in government, industry and academia.  I've encountered the most people willing to do the right thing in industry.  Pure science is not the altruistic paragon of virtue that people believe.  It's a cage match knife fight.  In the end, it's about getting grants.  It's about money.  You do what can be funded.  That's often not what's best.  In industry it's all about getting it right.  It's all about making something useful.  Since that's what sells.  Getting it wrong has serious consequences.

Pfizer's most valuable asset is it's reputation.  It's brand.  That's worth far more than any doses of a covid vaccine.  Doses that will sell anyways.

My 2 doses were Pfizer.  I'd like Moderna for my third dose.  Mixing vaccines has it's advantages.  Moderna has more mcg per shot. :)

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Yeah, if we need boosters that is not a big deal to me even if we need annual boosters.  The time it takes now to get the vaccine is the roundtrip from the parking lot to go in and get a shot that takes 2 seconds with a 15 minute wait at CVS and back out to the car.

It's not really a inconvenience from my perspective.

If it becomes an annual thing, it'll probably be just another addition to the yearly flu vaccine.  Work on that has already been underway.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on July 29, 2021, 08:52:32 AM
For those paying lots of attention to the info:  At one point they were saying the Moderna vaccine could last for years.  Does the Pfizer data impact that?  Are they thinking Pfizer and Moderna will have similar efficacy long term?  I'm really asking because I'm traveling overseas in September and was vaccinated in February, do I need a 3rd shot?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on July 29, 2021, 01:22:27 PM
Great question! There is a study I just read that says one of them recommended a booster. But honestly it looks like different info

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on July 29, 2021, 01:45:12 PM
One month ago, NY Times on June 28... Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines Likely to Produce Lasting Immunity, Study Finds (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/health/coronavirus-vaccines-immunity.html).

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The vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna set off a persistent immune reaction in the body that may protect against the coronavirus for years, scientists reported on Monday.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on July 29, 2021, 02:59:52 PM
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One month ago, NY Times on June 28... Pfizer and Moderna Vaccines Likely to Produce Lasting Immunity, Study Finds (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/health/coronavirus-vaccines-immunity.html).

Yes, thanks, that's the article I'm remembering.  But now the Israeli data is indicating the Pfizer immunity is wearing off fairly quickly? I hope the Israelis are wrong on this.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on July 29, 2021, 03:54:26 PM
As far as I can tell, it's not that the vaccines are "wearing off", it's just that they are less protective against Delta than they were against the previous strains. So as Delta becomes the dominant variant they become less effective. Right now between 20-25% of the positive case in LA County are fully vaccinated people, according to our public heath department. Most of those people have no or very mild symptoms, but they still contracted covid. Delta is just that much more virulent.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on July 29, 2021, 05:29:16 PM
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As far as I can tell, it's not that the vaccines are "wearing off", it's just that they are less protective against Delta than they were against the previous strains. So as Delta becomes the dominant variant they become less effective. Right now between 20-25% of the positive case in LA County are fully vaccinated people, according to our public heath department. Most of those people have no or very mild symptoms, but they still contracted covid. Delta is just that much more virulent.

That makes a lot of sense.  Come on, dang it people, get vaccinated!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 29, 2021, 10:19:42 PM
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As far as I can tell, it's not that the vaccines are "wearing off", it's just that they are less protective against Delta than they were against the previous strains. So as Delta becomes the dominant variant they become less effective. Right now between 20-25% of the positive case in LA County are fully vaccinated people, according to our public heath department. Most of those people have no or very mild symptoms, but they still contracted covid. Delta is just that much more virulent.

Unfortunately, that's not the case.  Delta does make it even worse, but the vaccines were already "wearing off" before delta became a factor.  That paper from the ongoing study that was released a couple of days ago had a data cutoff date in mid March.  That was before delta was a significant factor in that population.  So the vaccines are wearing off, delta or not.  Which was expected all along.

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For those paying lots of attention to the info:  At one point they were saying the Moderna vaccine could last for years.  Does the Pfizer data impact that? 

That's the guess.  We'll know in a few years. :)

Both that guess and the more recent Pfizer data can be right at the same time.  They are fundamentally addressing different things.  One is protection against infection and the other is protection against serious illness and death.  That durable protection for years is against serious illness and death.  The latest data is more about protection against infection.  That has dramatically fallen.  Protection against serious illness and death is still high.  So what seems to be happening is that antibody levels are waning and thus protection against infection.  Due to the vaccines, your body still recognizes covid so once infected it will produce new antibodies to stave off serious illness and death.  But that means while your body is working on that, you can still get pretty sick.

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Are they thinking Pfizer and Moderna will have similar efficacy long term?  I'm really asking because I'm traveling overseas in September and was vaccinated in February, do I need a 3rd shot?

In general Pfizer and Moderna are very similar.  AZ and J&J are very similar.  There's a tiny bit of data out of LA comparing infection rates in the fully vaccinated between Pfizer, Moderna and J&J.  The infection rates are tiny but there does seem to be a difference.  Moderna is better than Pfizer which is better than J&J.

We still have to look at overseas data for the most part.  The US still doesn't test very much.  We do a small fraction of testing that the UK does.  Importantly, until a couple of days ago, we specifically didn't care if the fully vaccinated got infected.  We were only concerned with hospitalization and death.  So the recommendation was that if you were fully vaccinated you should only get tested if you had symptoms.  That changed at the same time as the masking recommendation.  Now the fully vaccinated should get a test and self isolate if they think they've been exposed to covid.  So hopefully we should have our own data to work with in a few weeks to months.

That's why all the talk is about Pfizer.  The UK and Israel also went big with Pfizer.  They are also good at testing and contact tracing so there is data to talk about.  Not so with Moderna.  The US is where that was widely used.  But we don't really test or contact trace that much so there's not much data to talk about.

I think it's inevitable we will get a booster recommendation at some point.  But as we have all pandemic long, we lag.  Israel just expanded their third dose program to anyone 60 and over.  I think the NHS is planning to start their third dose effort shortly.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 29, 2021, 11:55:18 PM
So this reporting on an internal presentation at the CDC is why the CDC reversed the mask recommendation and changed testing policy a couple of days ago.  To sum up, delta is much more contagious and leads to more severe illness.  Based on the reporting, the CDC publicly is still sugar coating what they know internally.  There's a mismatch.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

What appears new to the CDC, the rest of the world had already known that for a while.  A while back I posted how an overseas immunologist said that delta to a fully vaccinated person is like the original strain to an unvaccinated person in terms of infection and transmission.  Based on this reporting, the CDC acknowledges that now.  It's embarrassing to hear how experts outside the US talk about the CDC now.  A once revered organization is now mocked.  One reviewed the CDC changes from a couple of days ago point by point and said that all that has been known for a while.  They said it's great that the CDC has finally caught up.  But they also pointed out that the CDC website that was updated just 2 days ago still says that the level of protection against infection in Israel is still 90%.  Even though Israel publicly reported a couple of weeks ago that it's much lower.  They concluded that the CDC is just out of date.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on July 30, 2021, 08:14:39 AM
@chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) thanks for all the info!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on July 30, 2021, 11:37:36 AM
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So this reporting on an internal presentation at the CDC is why the CDC reversed the mask recommendation and changed testing policy a couple of days ago.  To sum up, delta is much more contagious and leads to more severe illness.  Based on the reporting, the CDC publicly is still sugar coating what they know internally.  There's a mismatch.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

What appears new to the CDC, the rest of the world had already known that for a while.  A while back I posted how an overseas immunologist said that delta to a fully vaccinated person is like the original strain to an unvaccinated person in terms of infection and transmission.  Based on this reporting, the CDC acknowledges that now.  It's embarrassing to hear how experts outside the US talk about the CDC now.  A once revered organization is now mocked.  One reviewed the CDC changes from a couple of days ago point by point and said that all that has been known for a while.  They said it's great that the CDC has finally caught up.  But they also pointed out that the CDC website that was updated just 2 days ago still says that the level of protection against infection in Israel is still 90%.  Even though Israel publicly reported a couple of weeks ago that it's much lower.  They concluded that the CDC is just out of date.
The CDC's website is obviously problematic if its outdated.  But CDC can only report/make decisions based on their own findings.  Science, and scientists/doctors, are incredibly methodologists when it comes to their work: especially published work.  They're not going to jump all-in on another agency's report before doing their own studies that either correlate or refute others' findings.  While I agree CDC throughout this pandemic has dropped many balls along the way, criticizing the agency for not embracing other countries' findings w/out conducting their own thorough research sounds like something someone who doesn't know a ton about science methodology (or is taking a lot for granted).  I'm speaking to whom you're referring to here
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One reviewed the CDC changes from a couple of days ago point by point and said that all that has been known for a while.  They said it's great that the CDC has finally caught up.
which is interesting since essentially they mean "it's great the US has caught up w/Delta that the rest of the world was ravaged by first."

Don't get me wrong: there is a plethora of blame and finger-pointing and whatnot to go around with this pandemic mess, and specifically the mess in our country; &  the CDC is not blameless.  But piling on them in this instance (again, not saying _you_ are, just folks in general) seems like misplaced ire IMO.  I'm glad they're finally sharing this data, and I question why this was released concurrently when they changed their masking recommendations (ie "we're chasing our masking guidance because of this current study which found...").  It's bad enough we have sheer stupidity within the US Federal Government publicly bashing the CDC's credibility in one of the most blatant cases of "lacking self awareness" I've seen in awhile: causing even more trust issues at a time when people need to just get their damn shots so we can move on.  Vermont's data for hospitalizations (incredibly minimal) and deaths (zero) for the last week while looking at their vaccination rate (80%+ - the highest vaccination rate of any state) is pretty damned great proof that science works.  And that includes (broadly/generally) CDC's role in it
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 30, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
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The CDC's website is obviously problematic if its outdated.  But CDC can only report/make decisions based on their own findings.  Science, and scientists/doctors, are incredibly methodologists when it comes to their work: especially published work.  They're not going to jump all-in on another agency's report before doing their own studies that either correlate or refute others' findings.  While I agree CDC throughout this pandemic has dropped many balls along the way, criticizing the agency for not embracing other countries' findings w/out conducting their own thorough research sounds like something someone who doesn't know a ton about science methodology (or is taking a lot for granted).

The CDC doesn't do their own studies about how infectious covid is in Israel among Israelis.  They can only report what Israel reports about the situation there.  Right now Israel is reporting that to be about 40%.  The CDC is saying that it's 90%.

What you are taking about is a NDH attitude.  That would be great if we led the world.  We don't.  We lag.  This entire pandemic, many times the rest of the world has conducted studies earlier.  They state findings, we are openly dubious about them.  Then a few months later we find the same thing with great fanfare about our new discovery.  This has happened time and time again during this pandemic.  The CDC did it again this week when they said they made these new conclusions based on new data.  New to us.  Old news to the rest of the world.  But we can't know for sure since unlike other countries that did show the data they used to make their decisions, the CDC simply said it's based on “CDC COVID-19 Response Team, unpublished data, 2021.”  Which has led researchers from around the world, including in the US, to ask "Where's the beef?"

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I'm speaking to whom you're referring to here  which is interesting since essentially they mean "it's great the US has caught up w/Delta that the rest of the world was ravaged by first."

What they are saying is that we gave you the heads up about delta.  We hoped you wouldn't make the same mistakes we did.  Why didn't you listen?

Along those lines, there was a US based study that was released today that confirms what has been previously reported overseas.  This study found that 74% of the infected in this incidence were fully vaccinated.  This matches what was reported out of Singapore earlier.  Also they found that the viral load is similar between the fully vaccinated and the unvaccinated.  Which effects how infectious someone is.  It was hoped that the viral load would be lower in the fully vaccinated and thus transmission would be rare.  As has been reported all over the world for the last few months, the fully vaccinated can be infectious.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on July 30, 2021, 03:58:12 PM
No group knows what they are doing since this pandemic began. That’s how I see it.

I think lockdowns are coming back next month. I could be wrong but if right, expect some states to follow while others will not.

Anyway, somethings to see for today:

https://twitter.com/benwakana46/status/1421182153224818694?s=21

And

https://twitter.com/jamessurowiecki/status/1421212371167719425?s=21

And:

https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1420323197967294466?s=21

Digest the info as you see fit.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 30, 2021, 06:06:51 PM
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I think lockdowns are coming back next month. I could be wrong but if right, expect some states to follow while others will not.

So, same as always. :)

I was out of the house for the first time since the new mask guidance to get food.  Today Walmart announced that all employees are now required to wear masks again immediately.  The employees were but among customers I didn't see any difference from last week.  The majority weren't wearing masks.  Social distancing has been gone for a while.  Today at checkout, the woman behind me was only about a foot away.  They did change the sign out front concerning masks.  It was a big sign that used to say that the fully vaccinated didn't need to mask.  They changed it to a little sign that said that they recommend that all people wear masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 30, 2021, 07:00:10 PM
More people that I work with are getting normal colds in the past month or so.  Looks like they are dropping their guard on COVID.

There was one frankly reckless person who got COVID who said that "it wasn't that bad".  I found this frustrating as different people have different levels of reactions and they didn't think COVID was a big deal since it didn't hit them hard.  They were only thinking of themselves and not others.  Very frustrating to hear.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 30, 2021, 08:30:13 PM
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More people that I work with are getting normal colds in the past month or so.

Cold or covid?  There's no way to know without a test.  That's another thing about delta.  The symptoms are different from the previous strains.  They are much more like a common cold.  Things that people used to be on the lookout for like loss of taste and smell have dropped down the list.  The top symptoms associated with delta are the same as the common cold.  Headache, runny nose, sore throat, cough and a fever.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on July 31, 2021, 08:19:59 AM
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Cold or covid?  There's no way to know without a test.  That's another thing about delta.  The symptoms are different from the previous strains.  They are much more like a common cold.  Things that people used to be on the lookout for like loss of taste and smell have dropped down the list.  The top symptoms associated with delta are the same as the common cold.  Headache, runny nose, sore throat, cough and a fever.

They say cold, but who knows.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on July 31, 2021, 09:13:33 AM
Hmmmm…the 7-day average of vaccine shots administered here in the US was up 26% (652,084) over 3 weeks ago. Hopefully, this number continues to go up. One stat we all want high. Looking at the UK, looks like the vaccines there are doing their job so far. According to Reuters, cases in Britain are down 33%. Let’s see how things are in 3 weeks, but good to see.


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So, same as always. :)

Lol Pretty much. Now, it will be interesting to see if Gov. Newsom will do anything in CA between now and September 14th, due to the recall election coming up. One recent Berkeley poll didn’t say good news for him in some categories. Overall, grab that popcorn and watch the drama unfold. I’m doing it for the SJ vs Disney lawsuit!

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on July 31, 2021, 10:11:18 AM
It's turning into Terrible Thursday.  Last week San Diego announced a staggering jump in new daily covid cases to 1243.  I was braced for some big weekend numbers on Monday.  But Monday came and there were "only" around 700 cases each day over the weekend.  That's where it sat all week.  Yesterday they announced this week's Thursday number and it is 1273.  What is it about Thursdays?

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Hmmmm…the 7-day average of vaccine shots administered here in the US was up 26% (652,084) over 3 weeks ago. Hopefully, this number continues to go up. One stat we all want high. Looking at the UK, looks like the vaccines there are doing their job so far. According to Reuters, cases in Britain are down 33%. Let’s see how things are in 3 weeks, but good to see.

Any increase in the vaccination rate is great news.  Now if we can get that back up to 3 million vaccinations a day then the unvaccinated half of American can be protected in the next few months.

The UK is an anomaly.  The other high vaccination rate countries have not fared as well.  The UK went "rogue" with how it administered the vaccines.  Despite the consternation and criticism by US public health, the UK delayed the second dose by weeks.  Instead of following the clinical trial and giving the second dose of Pfizer in 3 weeks, they went out as far as 12 weeks.  Most people in the UK got their second dose between 8 and 12 weeks.  That's the thing about vaccines.  That second dose date is not the maximum amount of time you have to get the second dose.  It's not even the optimal time.  Many times the longer you wait, within reason, the better the immune response.  That recommended time until the second dose is the minimum time to wait.  The UK was blasted for veering from the protocol in the clinical trials and that it was dangerous.  In hind sight, it looks like it was the smart move.  It worked so well that the Pfizer CEO brought it up.  It explains why the numbers among the fully vaccinated between the UK and Israel are so different.  The Israeli numbers for the fully vaccinated are more in line with the numbers from other highly vaccinated countries.  Israel is a better model for the US than the UK.  Israel and the US both used Pfizer and both administered it in the same way.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on July 31, 2021, 03:01:17 PM
Yesterday, Broadway announced it was requiring vaccines for all audience members 12 and over. Masks required for everyone as well. Proof of vaccine plus a valid ID must be presented upon entry. Under-12s will have to show proof of a negative test (PCR taken within 72 hours or rapid test taken within 6 hours).

The overlap between Broadway patrons and anti-vaxxers is probably pretty small, especially outside the heavy tourist shows like Phantom, Wicked, and Lion King, but I cheered out loud when I saw the announcement. I have a trip planned for September (fingers crossed!) and this made me feel a lot better about sitting shoulder to shoulder with a stranger.

I live in a state that is currently trying to ban vaccine passports and also make it illegal for schools to require masks (while also encouraging all schools to drop their remote options), so it's refreshing to see other places take proactive, intelligent, sane steps.

I'll admit I had stopped wearing a mask in public over the last few weeks. But my county has a "substantial" transmission rate, and will likely remain so since our vax rate is below 50% (let's just say there are a lot of political signs still in yards 9 months after the election, and you can draw your own conclusions). So I'm masking up again. I'm not yet wearing one at work since everyone I work closely with is vaccinated and we can maintain social distancing easily, but I have a few meetings scheduled for August and will likely wear a mask for those - and I 100% will be the only one in the room doing so. My employer will only do what is required of them by the state or federal government, and the Ohio legislature has made it impossible for the governor to issue health orders, so Ohio will not have another mask mandate, which means my employer will not have one either.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 01, 2021, 06:28:45 PM
After hearing that there are some vaccinated asymtomatic people getting infected, I took a covid test at CVS this afternoon.  I’ll get the results in 24-48 hours.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 02, 2021, 08:35:21 AM
My parents were in town from AZ this weekend, and we were out getting stuff for our oldest kid who's moving to college in a few weeks (FINALLY, after 3 semesters of at-home college via zoom).  We went to the Carlsbad outlet mall, which is huge, on Sunday around lunchtime and it was packed.  This was the first time I've been in a mall environment since Feb. 2020.  My wife, parents, and I all wore masks, and almost surprisingly: so did the majority of folks at the packed mall.  It was nice to see, and gave me a little hope for humanity (or at least humanity in my county)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on August 02, 2021, 09:12:25 AM
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After hearing that there are some vaccinated asymtomatic people getting infected, I took a covid test at CVS this afternoon.  I’ll get the results in 24-48 hours.

You were lucky. Testing capacity here (Los Angeles) is atrocious. I got notified I'd been exposed (8 days prior) yesterday afternoon (I'm fully vaccinated), and I spent the next two hours trying to find anywhere that could give me a test appointment or even a guarantee they'd be taking walk-ins within 15 miles. The earliest I could get anything was TUESDAY AFTERNOON. I tried RiteAid, CVS, Walgreens, Ralphs/Kroger, the State, the County, and my health insurance company.

It's ridiculous. I did finally manage to pick up a cancellation for this afternoon, and I took an at-home rapid test in the meantime (negative), but the fact that you can't reliably get a test when you need one here is appalling.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 02, 2021, 02:14:34 PM
With all this breakthrough stuff going on, on a lark, I took a Covid-19 test yesterday, I’m happy to say it came back negative, yay!  :)

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You were lucky. Testing capacity here (Los Angeles) is atrocious. I got notified I'd been exposed (8 days prior) yesterday afternoon (I'm fully vaccinated), and I spent the next two hours trying to find anywhere that could give me a test appointment or even a guarantee they'd be taking walk-ins within 15 miles. The earliest I could get anything was TUESDAY AFTERNOON. I tried RiteAid, CVS, Walgreens, Ralphs/Kroger, the State, the County, and my health insurance company.

It's ridiculous. I did finally manage to pick up a cancellation for this afternoon, and I took an at-home rapid test in the meantime (negative), but the fact that you can't reliably get a test when you need one here is appalling.

Yeah, I suspected there might be longer lines for covid testing as well as longer lines for vaccines.  It was on Saturday when I checked CVS, they only had one slot open on Sunday, I grabbed it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 02, 2021, 07:08:30 PM
Germany announced that they will be offering a third dose to at risk adults including the elderly.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-health-officials-recommend-vaccine-boosters-as-well-as-jabs-for-teens/a-58733149
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 03, 2021, 12:19:12 AM
Pfizer had announced last month that they would apply to the FDA for emergency authorization of a booster shot by mid-August, so hopefully we’ll get our boosters by Fall.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 03, 2021, 11:42:00 AM
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Pfizer had announced last month that they would apply to the FDA for emergency authorization of a booster shot by mid-August, so hopefully we’ll get our boosters by Fall.

That announcement was quickly met by a strongly worded public rebuke by the FDA and CDC.  The CEO of Pfizer subsequently apologized.  But it seems that the government's public words don't match it's internal actions.  The US has ordered the vaccines to enable a third dose.

I wish the CDC allowed for more doses in arms.  Hundreds of thousands of doses will shortly expire.  There's not enough demand in the US for people getting first or second doses.  I think those doses would be better used as third doses in the willing or first doses for people outside the US.  Insteading of insisting those doses be put in the trash, I think there are plenty of people willing to take them as third doses.  While we have a glut of vaccine in the US, the world as a whole is desperate for doses.  The people holding doses about to expire want to give them away.  The countries that are desperate for doses what to get them.  The CDC won't allow it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 03, 2021, 09:30:06 PM
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is now targeting early September to grant full approval of the Pfizer vaccine.  Currently they only have emergency approval.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/us/politics/pfizer-vaccine-approval.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 04, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is now targeting early September to grant full approval of the Pfizer vaccine.  Currently they only have emergency approval.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/us/politics/pfizer-vaccine-approval.html

It's looking like September is the month for Americans to start getting a third dose.  The stars are lining up.  That's also when the WHO moratorium on boosters ends.  I think I heard a director of some US health agency say yesterday on the BBC that September is when things will get going.  Regardless, once the vaccine has full FDA approval then nothing stops anyone from getting a third dose.  Any doctor can write a script for it at that point.

Speaking of boosters.  San Francisco announced that it is "accommodating" a dose of BioNTech or Moderna for people who got the J&J vaccine.  Which is something that people have been doing for sometime now.  Some high profile doctors have been recommending it and even Fauci acknowledged it was happening.  This just formalizes it.  There's nothing wrong with the J&J vaccine.  I don't discriminate between the various vaccines. They may take different routes to get there but they all do the same thing in the end, introduce the spike protein.  The difference is 1 or 2 doses.  The evidence is clear that 2 doses is much better than 1.  For delta, it's a necessity.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 05, 2021, 10:00:27 AM
Here's an interesting update in the local paper this week: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/local/story/2021-08-03/san-diego-zoo-races-to-vaccinate-lions-tigers-and-other-vulnerable-species-as-covid-surges
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San Diego Zoo races to vaccinate lions, tigers and other vulnerable species as COVID surges

This is interesting in a couple of different ways:
1) COVID is a problem not just for humans, but animals as well.  In Jan. SD Zoo & Safari Park had gorillas get COVID, now tigers & snow leopards are getting sick
2) SD Zoo officials think they animals got infected by human employees who were asymptomatic, meaning humans can not only infect each other w/COVID but also animals
3) this feels kinda odd in a sense that we're racing to vaccinate zoo animals when there are so many countries still woefully unable to get vaccination for their human residents (I know we're talking about the US, as well as endangered species SD Zoo is trying to protect - still seems kinda odd, though)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on August 05, 2021, 10:04:57 AM
I know someone that got a call to schedule his booster. Now it may be because he's a senior and/or because he's well known. Either way, very interesting.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on August 05, 2021, 10:08:12 AM
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Here's an interesting update in the local paper this week: https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/local/story/2021-08-03/san-diego-zoo-races-to-vaccinate-lions-tigers-and-other-vulnerable-species-as-covid-surges
This is interesting in a couple of different ways:
1) COVID is a problem not just for humans, but animals as well.  In Jan. SD Zoo & Safari Park had gorillas get COVID, now tigers & snow leopards are getting sick
2) SD Zoo officials think they animals got infected by human employees who were asymptomatic, meaning humans can not only infect each other w/COVID but also animals
3) this feels kinda odd in a sense that we're racing to vaccinate zoo animals when there are so many countries still woefully unable to get vaccination for their human residents (I know we're talking about the US, as well as endangered species SD Zoo is trying to protect - still seems kinda odd, though)

It does seem odd - and it's definitely still sort of a first-world privilege thing that we're able to vaccinate these animals - but the shots they're getting are totally separate (like, not even development/manufacturing overlap) from the human vaccines, so I'm glad we can do it.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/verify/verify-zoo-animal-vaccines-different-from-people/507-91e7da1a-7af1-4be4-9f46-e29baf23acd2
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 05, 2021, 12:19:05 PM
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I know someone that got a call to schedule his booster. Now it may be because he's a senior and/or because he's well known. Either way, very interesting.

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Did he get J&J or is he immunocompromised?  Merely being old makes someone immunocompromised but generally it's someone like a cancer patient that gets the call for a booster.  The thing is certain people have been getting additional doses all along, 3 in total if they got Pfizer or Moderna or 2 if they got J&J.  Immunocompromised people need them since they don't have enough of a response from a normal dose.  The CDC/FDA knows this.  Which is why that quick and very public rebuke of Pfizer suggesting a third dose was strange.  The CDC/FDA continue with poor messaging.  Since when the booster is recommended I can guarantee there will be plenty of people that will refer back to that statement and say "But you told us we don't need a booster!"

On the bright side today, Moderna had it's earnings and it contained some encouraging news about it's vaccine.

"Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine mRNA-1273: Final blinded analysis of Phase 3 COVE study shows 93% efficacy; Efficacy remains durable through six months after second dose ​ "

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-reports-second-quarter-fiscal-year-2021-financial/

They don't specify whether that's against infection or severe illness and death, but considering that is the original ongoing study then it's probably against severe illness and death.  That was the criteria for those studies.  Something else they didn't mention is which variants.  Considering the age of that data, I doubt it includes delta.

Update, the president of Moderna was seemingly on every news program yesterday saying that Moderna believes a third dose would be a good idea before winter.  He did confirm that their results don't include data for the delta variant.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 06, 2021, 09:42:46 AM
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It does seem odd - and it's definitely still sort of a first-world privilege thing that we're able to vaccinate these animals - but the shots they're getting are totally separate (like, not even development/manufacturing overlap) from the human vaccines, so I'm glad we can do it.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/verify/verify-zoo-animal-vaccines-different-from-people/507-91e7da1a-7af1-4be4-9f46-e29baf23acd2
It's definitely very cool that scientists are looking out for the animals too
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 06, 2021, 12:24:58 PM
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It's definitely very cool that scientists are looking out for the animals too

It is.  But the motivation is to look out for us.  These animal vaccines are developed for livestock.  Since if livestock gets sick then chances are they will make us sick.  17 million mink were destroyed since there were coronavirus outbreaks in their population.  The mink variant did make the jump from mink back to humans.  Vaccine donations to zoos is just an act of good will by the manufacturer.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 08, 2021, 09:26:41 PM
I’m back to double-masking.  I just got a supply of the white KN95 masks, as well as the blue hospital surgeons’ masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on August 09, 2021, 03:29:06 AM
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I’m back to double-masking.  I just got a supply of the white KN95 masks, as well as the blue hospital surgeons’ masks.

Yeah, the new statistics are disheartening.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 09, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
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Yeah, the new statistics are disheartening.

They are.  Here in San Diego, Thursday numbers are still high but what's more terrible is that the numbers are high every day now.  Before the Thursday number was twice what any other day was.  Now it's only a little bit higher.  San Diego has moved from twice a week covid reports back to daily on weekdays and now back to daily every day including the weekends.  As a country as a whole, I think we stand a good chance of having a new peak number of daily infections.

Fauci did the tour of Sunday news programs yesterday.  He said a couple of interesting things.  He acknowledged that the US policy of not tracking no or mild symptom breakthrough infections was problematic.  Because of that we didn't have the data to see that the infection rate among the fully vaccinated was higher than theorized and that the fully vaccinated can be infectious.  What other countries were able to see because they did test for and track asymptomatic infections among the vaccinated.  If we had our own data or believed other countries, I don't think we would have dropped the mask mandate.  Which I think is the strategic blunder of the covid campaign so far this year.

Fauci also talked about boosters.  He pretty much said that it's not if, it's when.  He reiterated that they will wait until there solid data that it's a problem.  Which IMO is like your neighbor on the next street over suggesting that you hose down your roof because her house burned down because of a wildfire.  Then you responding that you'll wait until your house catches fire.  At least the government didn't "slap down" Moderna like it did Pfizer a few weeks earlier for daring to suggest a third dose.

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I’m back to double-masking.  I just got a supply of the white KN95 masks, as well as the blue hospital surgeons’ masks.

Remember to wear your mask in a public place even if there's no one in the immediate area.  Where they do contact trace, they have found fleeting infections.  Forget that 15 minute rule that we were touting.  They have found people getting infected just by walking by one another.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 09, 2021, 11:49:22 AM
Moderna got provisional approval in Australia.  On Wall Street, their stock jumped 15%.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/moderna-vaccine-gets-provisional-approval-in-australia-20210809-p58h9p.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 09, 2021, 11:57:19 AM
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Moderna got provisional approval in Australia.  On Wall Street, their stock jumped 15%.

http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/moderna-vaccine-gets-provisional-approval-in-australia-20210809-p58h9p.html

And among 12-17 year olds in Switzerland.  But considering that all covid vaccine stocks are up big today, I think the pop is more about Fauci talking boosters yesterday.  Both Australia and Switzerland are tiny markets.  If the US goes for a third dose, it's more than just the US market since much of the world will follow.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 09, 2021, 12:33:49 PM
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And among 12-17 year olds in Switzerland.  But considering that all covid vaccine stocks are up big today, I think the pop is more about Fauci talking boosters yesterday. Both Australia and Switzerland are tiny markets.  If the US goes for a third dose, it's more than just the US market since much of the world will follow.
Fauci talking boosters + word in the press that full FDA approval of the vaccines (not just the current "emergency approval" we have now).  Full approval means more business can require employees, and school districts can require students to get vaccinated.  I work in education, and talking internally w/in our district recently we are currently NOT being required to get vaccinated; however, once FDA approval is granted on a 'regular'/non-emergency-only basis the district was looking at requiring both staff & appropriate-aged students to become vaccinated.  Obviously in CA many state and local government agencies are already requiring vaccination, so I suspect it's only a matter of time before school employees are required (students are trickier, currently, since HS students could easily be required, but below 7th grade the age-range gets murky).  As a HS band teacher I of course would be _ELATED_ for ALL people on campus to be vaccinated, so IMO the sooner/the better!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 09, 2021, 01:07:03 PM
Moderna says boosters will be needed about six to eight months after the second dose.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/05/business/moderna-says-its-covid-vaccine-remains-effective-after-six-months/?p1=BGSearch_Overlay_Results
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 09, 2021, 01:13:47 PM
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Full approval means more business can require employees, and school districts can require students to get vaccinated.

Fauci said that as well.  Once it's fully FDA'd that we'll see a tsunami of companies requiring vaccinations.  He supports it.  Many companies already have.  Even before this spurt this last couple of weeks.  Some companies have been doing it for a while.  As one CEO put it a while back, get vaccinated or leave.  He did say that some of his employees said he coudn't do that and that they would sue.  He told them to go ahead, he'll see them in court.  He said a private business can do that.  Which it can.  This isn't anything new.  Businesses have been requiring things like vaccinations forever.

There some recent news about Moderna compared to Pfizer.  To sum up, Moderna is better.  A paper came out a couple of days ago that backs up the tiny bit of data out of LA.  First let me say that in terms of death, both Moderna and Pfizer are comparable.  It's in terms of breakthrough infections and breakthrough hospitalizations that Moderna differentiates itself.  Overall the breakthrough rates are low, very low.  Even so, there is a distinct difference.  You are half as likely to have a breakthrough infection or hospitalization with Moderna compared to Pfizer.  I think it comes down to two reasons.  First, the Moderna dose is big.  Over 3 times bigger than the Pfizer dose.  No wonder they've found that half a Moderna dose is still effective.  That's still 50% bigger than a full Pfizer dose.  Second, it's the time between doses.  4 weeks for Moderna versus 3 weeks for Pfizer.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on August 09, 2021, 07:08:21 PM
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Remember to wear your mask in a public place even if there's no one in the immediate area.  Where they do contact trace, they have found fleeting infections.  Forget that 15 minute rule that we were touting.  They have found people getting infected just by walking by one another.

I put my mask on before I leave the house.  I was wondering if i should drop that and then...  A dude hit my car while I was sitting at a light. 

He walked over with no mask on and had to get close since he was hard of hearing.  I thought about asking him to put a mask on while we were exchanging information, but I honestly didn't think he had one and I didn't have a spare.

Im glad I was wearing my mask.

I know transmission outside is less likely and Im fully vaccinated, but the mask made me feel more comfortable.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on August 10, 2021, 10:28:00 AM
@Chris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3) Oh no!!  Are you okay?  What a hassle!

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There some recent news about Moderna compared to Pfizer.  To sum up, Moderna is better.  A paper came out a couple of days ago that backs up the tiny bit of data out of LA.  First let me say that in terms of death, both Moderna and Pfizer are comparable.  It's in terms of breakthrough infections and breakthrough hospitalizations that Moderna differentiates itself.  Overall the breakthrough rates are low, very low.  Even so, there is a distinct difference.  You are half as likely to have a breakthrough infection or hospitalization with Moderna compared to Pfizer.  I think it comes down to two reasons.  First, the Moderna dose is big.  Over 3 times bigger than the Pfizer dose.  No wonder they've found that half a Moderna dose is still effective.  That's still 50% bigger than a full Pfizer dose.  Second, it's the time between doses.  4 weeks for Moderna versus 3 weeks for Pfizer.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on August 10, 2021, 10:55:57 AM
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@Chris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3) Oh no!!  Are you okay?  What a hassle!

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I had some aches for a couple days, but I think i may be out of the woods.  My cars bumper has some damage and im hoping that there is no internal damage.  The guy is not calling his insurance back which has me worried.  It scared the hell out of me-- I'm surprised that the airbags didn't deploy since he hit me pretty hard.

Thanks for asking.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on August 10, 2021, 11:57:06 AM
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I had some aches for a couple days, but I think i may be out of the woods.  My cars bumper has some damage and im hoping that there is no internal damage.  The guy is not calling his insurance back which has me worried.  It scared the hell out of me-- I'm surprised that the airbags didn't deploy since he hit me pretty hard.

Thanks for asking.

@Chris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3)   Fingers crossed the insurance will get sorted out quickly.  And I'm glad you're feeling okay! 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on August 10, 2021, 01:17:39 PM
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@Chris (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3)   Fingers crossed the insurance will get sorted out quickly.  And I'm glad you're feeling okay!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 10, 2021, 01:20:06 PM
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I had some aches for a couple days, but I think i may be out of the woods.  My cars bumper has some damage and im hoping that there is no internal damage.  The guy is not calling his insurance back which has me worried.  It scared the hell out of me-- I'm surprised that the airbags didn't deploy since he hit me pretty hard.

Thanks for asking.
I had a similar incident happen to me awhile back (pre-COVID).  I was stopped on a freeway on ramp during rush hour at a traffic light (in CA a lot of on-ramps have red & green lights, so they regulate merging...sort of).  Some one came flying out of nowhere and rammed into me, sending my car ramming into the car in front of me.  CHiP car came after a bit, sited the driver that hit me/absolving me of any wrongdoing.  My car ended up being totaled out, and my insurance company was AMAZING handling my end of it.  They knew it wasn't my fault, and I think the guy who hit me had either bad or lapsed insurance; there was some oddity involved on their end.  I ended up getting a new car (and got a larger insurance check for my totaled car than I thought I would), and it didn't impact my insurance costs at all.

Hopefully that's how it works out for you: that things go smoothly from an insurance standpoint.  Glad you're not too hurt, and hopefully you're not without a car for too long!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 10, 2021, 09:37:34 PM
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There some recent news about Moderna compared to Pfizer.  To sum up, Moderna is better.  A paper came out a couple of days ago that backs up the tiny bit of data out of LA.  First let me say that in terms of death, both Moderna and Pfizer are comparable.  It's in terms of breakthrough infections and breakthrough hospitalizations that Moderna differentiates itself.  Overall the breakthrough rates are low, very low.  Even so, there is a distinct difference.  You are half as likely to have a breakthrough infection or hospitalization with Moderna compared to Pfizer.  I think it comes down to two reasons.  First, the Moderna dose is big.  Over 3 times bigger than the Pfizer dose.  No wonder they've found that half a Moderna dose is still effective.  That's still 50% bigger than a full Pfizer dose.  Second, it's the time between doses.  4 weeks for Moderna versus 3 weeks for Pfizer.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

And I wanted to get the Pfizer vaccine, but I’m glad I got Moderna!  Keep in mind the paper is not peer-reviewed.

Plus I’m getting a 175% return on Moderna stock!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 10, 2021, 09:44:40 PM
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I put my mask on before I leave the house.  I was wondering if i should drop that and then...  A dude hit my car while I was sitting at a light. 

Oh no, glad you’re OK.  Hopefully your insurance will sort this out.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 11, 2021, 11:52:48 AM
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And I wanted to get the Pfizer vaccine, but I’m glad I got Moderna!  Keep in mind the paper is not peer-reviewed.

Plus I’m getting a 175% return on Moderna stock!

I got Pfizer. :(

I take peer review with a huge grain of salt.  Accepted or rejected, it's just an opinion.  It's subjective.  Leaving out the politics of it all, it also tends to maintain the status quo.  If you are a researcher reviewing a paper that totally disproves everything you've done in the last 40 years it's hard to go along with it.  Papers that got accepted have turned out to be bogus.  Papers that got rejected have turned out to be right.  That tends to happen with real innovation.  Papers that change the view of everything.  Case in point, the paper about Prions was rejected by one journal before being later accepted by another.  Even after that research won the Nobie, it was still rejected by much of the scientific community.

In ways, peer review is a relic.  It used to be hard to publish.  Very few journals were the gatekeepers.  Now post a paper and it'll get slammed or lauded by the entire community.  It gets peer reviewed by the many, instead of the very few.

I consider each paper on it's own merits.  It's one thing if it was authored by 1 or 2 people based on data gathered using blood samples from 8 people in test tubes.  I'll be skeptical of that.  It's another when it's authored by a group of people from a well respected institution using data from 10's of thousands of people in the real world.  Institutions have their own processes.  Peer reviewed by a journal or not, they don't put their reputation on the line lightly.

I trimmed some of my Moderna when I got over a 300% gain.  That was before this last run up.  I've been kicking myself for missing out on the last $100 gain.  Until today.  Now it's lower than what I sold it at.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 11, 2021, 11:58:09 AM
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I had some aches for a couple days, but I think i may be out of the woods.  My cars bumper has some damage and im hoping that there is no internal damage.  The guy is not calling his insurance back which has me worried.  It scared the hell out of me-- I'm surprised that the airbags didn't deploy since he hit me pretty hard.

Thanks for asking.

I hope everything works out.  The only major accident I was in was decades ago.  A truck sheered off the passenger side of my car from rear bumper to front bumper.  Back then I just called my insurance agent and he took care of everything.  I didn't hear anything about it until he refunded my deductible after a few months and said that everything was resolved in our favor.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on August 11, 2021, 01:41:09 PM
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I hope everything works out.  The only major accident I was in was decades ago.  A truck sheered off the passenger side of my car from rear bumper to front bumper.  Back then I just called my insurance agent and he took care of everything.  I didn't hear anything about it until he refunded my deductible after a few months and said that everything was resolved in our favor.

Thanks everyone for the good thoughts.  I just beard back from the guys insurance and he finally called them back and confirmed my account so it looks like im covered now.

Sorry to hijack the tread, but my initial comment was mask related.  :)  I'll reprimand myself for the hijacking
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 11, 2021, 03:33:52 PM
The rumor today is that the FDA will authorize a third dose starting with the immunocompromised within 48 hours.  Also, according to another one of those leaked internal CDC documents, the government estimates that at least 1.1 million people have already gotten a third dose.  It's at least since the CDC calls out that it's an undercount.

As for comparisons between the delta surge in the US versus the UK.  The UK had a high number of infections but a low number of hospitalizations.  The US unfortunately has high numbers of both.  Some areas are breaking their hospitalization records.  I think those looking for us to have a quick peak and then a rapid decline in the surge like the UK will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 11, 2021, 04:16:59 PM
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Thanks everyone for the good thoughts.  I just beard back from the guys insurance and he finally called them back and confirmed my account so it looks like im covered now.

Sorry to hijack the tread, but my initial comment was mask related.  :)  I'll reprimand myself for the hijacking
Ha; no worries "hijacking" anything.  This is technically a "check in" thread, so I know I at least appreciate someone checking in legit (and not _just_ COVID policy updates and whatnot  :P ).

Glad the insurance stuff is working out for you!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 11, 2021, 04:26:05 PM
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As for comparisons between the delta surge in the US versus the UK.  The UK had a high number of infections but a low number of hospitalizations.  The US unfortunately has high numbers of both.  Some areas are breaking their hospitalization records.  I think those looking for us to have a quick peak and then a rapid decline in the surge like the UK will be disappointed.
Yeah, the UK has almost 10% higher vaccination rate than USA, and the states being hit the hardest in the US w/the Delta variant are the states with sub 50% vaccination rates (with some of the southern states hovering around the 35% mark.

On the flip side, CA becomes the first state where school employees will be required to get vaccinated or weekly COVID testing by mid-October: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/11/california-mandates-covid-vaccines-testing-teachers-school-workers/8094400002/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on August 12, 2021, 01:29:58 PM
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There some recent news about Moderna compared to Pfizer.  To sum up, Moderna is better.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

For now!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 12, 2021, 02:29:37 PM
https://deadline.com/2021/08/los-angeles-city-requires-vaccination-vaccine-indoors-1234813086/?fbclid=IwAR1PDLYGiAgMPHTohiu2zLLRI3bA61x2O3Lhxr2zlHJP7ADAHpG1_F8WdLI

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The Los Angeles City Council voted 13-0 today to have the city attorney prepare an ordinance requiring people to show proof of at least partial vaccination against Covid to enter most public indoor spaces in the city, including restaurants, bars, gyms, concert venues, movie theaters and even “retail establishments.”
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 12, 2021, 04:04:47 PM
Wed: Gov. Newsom announced all school employees must be vaccinated by Oct. 15, or go through weekly COVID testing
Thurs: my district already has everything set up for employees to submit verification

Things happen quickly sometimes!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on August 12, 2021, 04:42:27 PM
Have not heard much lately about the Novavax vaccine.  This one has been more traditionally "grown" it appears.  From what I have read, the effectiveness results are good--even for the Delta variant- and the side effects milder than those seen in the current ones used in the US. Approval may come in the fourth quarter of this year, according to reports.  Novavax may encourage some who have mistrust for the fast track vaccines, to get vaccinated.  Outside of the US will get the first batches of Novavax.

Here is one resource on the Novavax vaccine:
 https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/us-clinical-trial-results-show-novavax-vaccine-safe-prevents-covid-19  (https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/us-clinical-trial-results-show-novavax-vaccine-safe-prevents-covid-19)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 12, 2021, 05:56:09 PM
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https://deadline.com/2021/08/los-angeles-city-requires-vaccination-vaccine-indoors-1234813086/?fbclid=IwAR1PDLYGiAgMPHTohiu2zLLRI3bA61x2O3Lhxr2zlHJP7ADAHpG1_F8WdLI

San Francisco is going a step further and requiring full vaccination to enter public places like bars and restaurants.  That's what finally got the French motivated.  The government required it for cafes.  Which spurred a lot of people in France to get vaccinated.  Where the carrot hasn't worked the stick seems to.  In the US we started switching from the carrot to the stick over the last couple of weeks.  I think once FDA approval happens that it'll come on like a freight train.  So far it's pretty light.  At a local hospital chain here in San Diego, they've implemented a proof of full vaccination or a recent official negative test requirement for visitors.

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For now!

That study is vindication for Israel.  When they announced that they found such a large reduction in efficacy for Pfizer, they were met with a "who knows what's going on over there" response by US public health.  Well, what's going on over there is the same thing that's going on here.  They just saw it earlier.

Today, Israel made those 50 and over eligible for a third dose.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 12, 2021, 08:37:16 PM
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) just authorized third shots of both Pfizer and Moderna for immunocompromised patients.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/12/booster-shot-coronavirus
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 12, 2021, 11:50:13 PM
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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) just authorized third shots of both Pfizer and Moderna for immunocompromised patients.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/08/12/booster-shot-coronavirus

It begins.  Sooner than I expected considering how much resistance they put up a month ago.  I'm just happy they came around.

More good news about Moderna.  In a paper in Science, Moderna maintains over 90% efficacy against a variety of variants including delta for at least 6 months.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/08/11/science.abj4176

I can't wait until the third dose tier moves down so I can get a dose of Moderna.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on August 13, 2021, 11:48:34 AM
I'm personally all for boosters - give me ALL the shots - but I worry that we should really be focusing on sending more doses to the rest of the world first. So many poorer countries have incredibly low vaccination rates, and it's probably those places that the next, possibly-worse-than-Delta, variant will emerge. I don't want anyone else in the US to get sick, but I'm much more worried that the virus will find a way to improve against our current shots and we'll be back to square one.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 13, 2021, 12:13:10 PM
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I'm personally all for boosters - give me ALL the shots - but I worry that we should really be focusing on sending more doses to the rest of the world first. So many poorer countries have incredibly low vaccination rates, and it's probably those places that the next, possibly-worse-than-Delta, variant will emerge. I don't want anyone else in the US to get sick, but I'm much more worried that the virus will find a way to improve against our current shots and we'll be back to square one.

I agree.  Even though I would love to have a third dose, I would rather someone else got a first dose then I a third.  Unfortunately those aren't the only two options.  The third option is to throw away doses.  Which is what happens to a lot of doses in the US due to lack of demand.  They are simply trashed.  Between a dose going into the trash and a third dose going into an arm, I rather it go into an arm.

These trashed doses aren't the end of the day leftovers.  These are brand new sealed vials going from the deep freeze into the trash.  They expired.  Before they expired the health care providers want to give them away to countries that are desperate for them.  The countries themselves want them.  The Federal Government won't allow it.  It rather they be disposed of.

10's of thousands of doses have been thrown away recently.  About another million are set to expire soon.  The estimate is that there will be millions of doses that will be thrown away.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/10/1025463260/alabama-just-tossed-65-000-vaccines-turns-out-its-not-easy-to-donate-unused-dose

On another note, as proof that boosters don't mean more money for the vaccine makers and thus isn't motivation for them to recommend them.  The FDC/CDC have approved the start of third doses here in the US but the vaccines makers are flat on the day.  They would have popped if it meant more revenue.  The fact is they will sell every single dose they can make booster or not.  There's no extra money to be made.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 13, 2021, 12:39:11 PM
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I'm personally all for boosters - give me ALL the shots - but I worry that we should really be focusing on sending more doses to the rest of the world first. So many poorer countries have incredibly low vaccination rates, and it's probably those places that the next, possibly-worse-than-Delta, variant will emerge. I don't want anyone else in the US to get sick, but I'm much more worried that the virus will find a way to improve against our current shots and we'll be back to square one.
Ha, seriously!  As a completist part of me back when I was fully vaccinated by mid-April was saying "OK, I've collected both editions of Moderna, now I need to get both editions of Pfizer!"  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 14, 2021, 09:03:49 AM
Terrible Thursday continues here in San Diego.  Another big jump in new cases this last Thursday, up to 1700.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 14, 2021, 06:06:04 PM
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More good news about Moderna.  In a paper in Science, Moderna maintains over 90% efficacy against a variety of variants including delta for at least 6 months.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/08/11/science.abj4176

Not going to do much good for my brother and sister-in-law, but it is good news for me and my mother.  I remember my brother made it his goal to get Pfizer and not Johnson&Johnson.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 14, 2021, 06:19:57 PM
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Terrible Thursday continues here in San Diego.  Another big jump in new cases this last Thursday, up to 1700.

Sorry to hear that.  Just yesterday (Friday), Orange County had their first slight decrease in infections since June 11, 2021 from 8.4% to 8.3%.  This comes after two months of steady increases.  On June 11, our infection rate dropped from 0.7% to 0.6%.  It was as high as 15% in July 2020 and 20% in January 2021.  Eight percent was roughly where we were at when the World Health Organization declared a pandemic in March 2020.  Los Angeles County has been seeing a drop over the last week, at last check, it was below 6%.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 15, 2021, 02:07:21 AM
The Biden administration plans to start giving boosters perhaps as early as October.  The first ones will be healthcare workers and nursing home residents, followed by elderly people.  They already have 100M doses at the ready.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/14/us/covid-vaccine-third-shot-booster.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 15, 2021, 07:33:14 AM
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Not going to do much good for my brother and sister-in-law, but it is good news for me and my mother.  I remember my brother made it his goal to get Pfizer and not Johnson&Johnson.
Well, I think Pfizer & Moderna are both significantly stronger than J&J.  A friend of the family is a scientist that has forgotten more about this mRNA technology than I'll ever understand, and she has been adamant that if while all vaccines are absolutely substantially better than not getting a vaccine, if one could get either Pfizer or Moderna and no J&J, they'd likely be better off.  She was saying that around Christmas 2020.
My wife got Pfizer & I got Moderna, so the "rivalry" has gotten silly at times around our place  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on August 15, 2021, 08:06:15 AM
Of course, AstraZeneca top trumps Pfizer and Moderna ;)
Well, it seems to over here.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 15, 2021, 01:44:52 PM
According to the Washington Post, California is just one of four states where the seven-day average number of infections went down.  It was down by -17%. The other three states were Arkansas (-7%), Missouri (-3%) and Utah (-2%). The infection rate in Los Angeles County is now below 5%.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 16, 2021, 12:17:11 AM
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Well, I think Pfizer & Moderna are both significantly stronger than J&J.  A friend of the family is a scientist that has forgotten more about this mRNA technology than I'll ever understand, and she has been adamant that if while all vaccines are absolutely substantially better than not getting a vaccine, if one could get either Pfizer or Moderna and no J&J, they'd likely be better off.  She was saying that around Christmas 2020.
My wife got Pfizer & I got Moderna, so the "rivalry" has gotten silly at times around our place  :P

There's nothing wrong with J&J, it's basically the same as the AZ vaccine.  The problem is that they sold it as one and done.  One dose doesn't do it.  What happened to the two dose arm of the J&J trial?  That seems to have vanished.  The J&J vaccine has fallen out of favor in the US.  The way the relatively minor issues with it were dealt with, the halt for the blood clots for example, did it in even before covid.  The data on the poor efficacy of one shot of any vaccine against delta pretty much knocked it out.  I really don't get why they didn't follow through on the two dose schedule.

Durability was on Moderna's mind when it choose to make it a 100mcg dose.  They were concerned it would wan after a few months so they choose a big dose.  That and the extra week between the first and second dose is probably why it's efficacy is holding up so well by comparison.  Like there's a high dose version of flu vaccines, Moderna is a high dose covid vaccine.

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According to the Washington Post, California is just one of four states where the seven-day average number of infections went down.  It was down by -17%. The other three states were Arkansas (-7%), Missouri (-3%) and Utah (-2%). The infection rate in Los Angeles County is now below 5%.

The 7 day average positivity rate in San Diego is greater than 8%.  On Saturday though, there were only a little over 600 new cases.  Which is about a third of what it was on Thursday.  We'll see if that's a trend.  As Thursday tends to be high, the weekends tend to be low.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 16, 2021, 09:48:28 AM
As I sit in our band room office this morning, prepping for school to start, I wanted to wish all the teachers, school employees, parents, and students good luck on what will hopefully be a happy, healthy, bad event-free school year.  In Southern CA I feel pretty good about our mandates of masks on always while in doors, though I feel it's a bad idea to not require outside as well.  During band camp, seeing students eat lunch outside they absolutely looked like 2019: no social distancing, no masks, kids being kids, etc.  Not to mention the difficulties of them getting in the habit of masking when entering the band room, even if just to pick up/drop off an instrument before immediately going back outside. 

While the policies aren't 100% ideal IMO, they're at least better than other states & I hope we can keep incidents to a minimum.  I hope all of you have a great start to the year, and for my fellow parents I sincerely hope your anxiety is at least manageable!  I'm a parent of a 19.5 year old moving to college this week (for their sophomore year, after a year of virtual school), and a 7 year old starting 2nd grade.  With a kid at home too young to get the vaccine, I'm obviously both overly cautious + a bit scared for their safety.  But, as always, all we can do is parent the best we can, teach our kids best safety practices, and hope they and their teachers/school staff all do their jobs well.

Good luck all my school peeps!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on August 16, 2021, 02:39:33 PM
rumor has it elective surgery's are going to be canceled by the end of the week.
according to a friend who works at a surgery center in SoCal

 :( :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 16, 2021, 08:53:53 PM
Reports are coming out tonight that the Biden Administration will recommend that everyone get a third dose 8 months after their 2nd dose.  What does that mean for people who only got the one and done J&J vaccine?  I hope they will be addressed instead of left wondering.

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In Southern CA I feel pretty good about our mandates of masks on always while in doors

I'm glad that schools are taking steps to ensure everyone's safety.  I wish San Diego wasn't a hold out for the general public.  San Diego is the largest county in California that hasn't reinstated a mask mandate.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 16, 2021, 09:12:20 PM
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Reports are coming out tonight that the Biden Administration will recommend that everyone get a third dose 8 months after their 2nd dose.  What does that mean for people who only got the one and done J&J vaccine?  I hope they will be addressed instead of left wondering.

I’m pretty sure they will be included.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on August 16, 2021, 11:26:11 PM
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Reports are coming out tonight that the Biden Administration will recommend that everyone get a third dose 8 months after their 2nd dose.  What does that mean for people who only got the one and done J&J vaccine?  I hope they will be addressed instead of left wondering.

I'm glad that schools are taking steps to ensure everyone's safety.  I wish San Diego wasn't a hold out for the general public.  San Diego is the largest county in California that hasn't reinstated a mask mandate.
In my opinion, probably waiting for more real world data and the second J&J shot trial results. According to the NYT, results coming later this month. Of course, this came out on August 6th: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/science/johnson-delta-vaccine-booster.html In the Sisonke trial, there were nearly 500,000 health care workers in it that showed promising results regarding the single J&J shot, and particularly vs Delta.

So, there’s that for now? Anyway, no one should be surprised about the booster news, it was coming eventually. I see this as nothing news.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 17, 2021, 12:16:38 PM
This is how New Zealand has been able to live pretty much as they did before covid all pandemic long.  They had 1 case of community transmission in 170 days and they've done a snap lockdown of the entire country.  Can you imagine anyone even batting an eye anywhere in the US over 1 case?  In NZ they've traded the rare full lockdown for otherwise living life as normal.  It's worked.  The population takes it seriously and cooperates.

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In my opinion, probably waiting for more real world data and the second J&J shot trial results. According to the NYT, results coming later this month. Of course, this came out on August 6th: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/06/science/johnson-delta-vaccine-booster.html In the Sisonke trial, there were nearly 500,000 health care workers in it that showed promising results regarding the single J&J shot, and particularly vs Delta.

So, there’s that for now? Anyway, no one should be surprised about the booster news, it was coming eventually. I see this as nothing news.

The 2 dose trial started 2 months after the 1 dose trial.  The 1 dose EUA was applied for in Feb.  Considering that the 2 dose trial started 2 months later and they waited 2 months between doses, that would imply that it should have been a go or no go 4 months after the 1 dose arm.  We should have heard something in June.  What happened to it?

That study in South Africa started dosing in Feb.  They've found that the efficacy against hospitalization is 71%.  Which is comparable to the similar AZ vaccine after 1 dose.  The 2nd dose of AZ adds another 20% which makes it comparable to the other 2 dose vaccines.  I would expect the same of J&J.  At 71%, that's lower than even the waning efficacy of any 2 dose vaccine.  Considering they started dosing in Feb and generally the cutoff date before crunching data is a month or two earlier, the data they are using is from people who's vaccinations were still pretty fresh.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on August 17, 2021, 01:08:46 PM
LA County just announced mandatory masking at all OUTDOOR events with over 10K attendees.
https://abc7.com/la-county-mask-mandate-requires-masks-outdoors-at-major-outdoor-mega-events-los-angeles-rules/10957503/

Sigh. I'm glad we're taking it seriously, but it puts a bit of a damper on my Hollywood Bowl plans next month. Definitely better than cancellation though.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 18, 2021, 09:52:06 AM
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LA County just announced mandatory masking at all OUTDOOR events with over 10K attendees.
https://abc7.com/la-county-mask-mandate-requires-masks-outdoors-at-major-outdoor-mega-events-los-angeles-rules/10957503/

Sigh. I'm glad we're taking it seriously, but it puts a bit of a damper on my Hollywood Bowl plans next month. Definitely better than cancellation though.

I wish San Diego would reinstate a mask mandate.  I really don't understand why the powers that be won't.  Our 7 day positivity rate is double that of LA.  Yesterday, they reported the highest number of cases since the winter surge.  The one day positivity rate was 13%.  San Diego public health has done a great job all pandemic long, until now.  They seem to be missing in action for this latest surge.  Our numbers show it.

I drove by the closest testing site to my house yesterday.  I have never seen a line so long for it.  Even during the height of the pandemic, I never saw more than 2 cars in line.  Many times, there wasn't even anyone there being tested.  When it was first established, it took up two adjacent parking lots.  Then it shrank to one.  When I drove by two weeks ago, it had shrunken to one stall in the remaining parking lot.  There was no one there.  By yesterday, it had expanded back out to the entire parking lot with a line of cars waiting.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 18, 2021, 12:29:22 PM
Happy to report that through the first 3/5ths of the day at least, the students have been surprisingly on top of COVID protocols.  CA guidance says faculty & students must be masked indoors at all times, but outdoors its optional.  Our band office has a window overlooking a quad where the students hang out during breaks & lunch, and it's always fun to observe them in their 'natural habitat' outside the classroom.  I'd say maybe 50% of the students I saw on campus outside today were wearing masks: even during lunch (after they were done eating, obviously).  I teach in a fairly conservative corner of the county: one that had weekly MAGA 'protests' outside a local Target for well over a year.  I wasn't sure how students would react to a policy that has clearly been (stupidly) politicized, so I was satisfied to see so many of them adhering to best safety practices.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on August 18, 2021, 03:54:11 PM
California will now require proof of vaccination or a negative test for all indoor events with more than 1,000 people in attendance. (Apparently this was already a requirement for indoor events > 5K... I missed that announcement when it happened.) The mandate takes effect 9/20 and currently goes through 11/1, but I can't imagine it won't be extended.

This will apply to Comic-Con:Special Edition if it gets extended, so everyone might want to plan accordingly.

https://www.abc10.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccination-negative-covid-test-required-large-events/103-bd5b1dcb-975c-4478-b6b5-ad9307add748
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 18, 2021, 08:03:41 PM
The third dose is official for people who got the Pfizer and Moderna shots.  Biden proclaimed it to be.  The messaging is all messed up again.  The dust up between the government and Pfizer a couple of months ago was totally unnecessary.  Since now, the government is doing exactly what Pfizer proposed.  They are even justifying it with the same data that Pfizer used.  Data at the time they summarily dismissed.  Today Fauci was on CNN and when asked why now, the first thing he brought up was the Israeli data that 2 months earlier he had downplayed.  Unfortunately the damage has been done.  I've already heard people say that they said we didn't need boosters and now they say we do.  That they don't know what they are doing.  The mix messaging continues.  Just yesterday CDC doctors were openly saying they didn't see a need for a booster at this time.  Yesterday.  It would help the vaccination effort if different parts of the effort got on the same page.

On another note, people who got the J&J vaccine are once again left out in the cold.  No recommendation for them.  J&J continues to say to expect something soon.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 19, 2021, 09:37:16 AM
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The third dose is official for people who got the Pfizer and Moderna shots.  Biden proclaimed it to be.  The messaging is all messed up again.  The dust up between the government and Pfizer a couple of months ago was totally unnecessary.  Since now, the government is doing exactly what Pfizer proposed.  They are even justifying it with the same data that Pfizer used.  Data at the time they summarily dismissed.  Today Fauci was on CNN and when asked why now, the first thing he brought up was the Israeli data that 2 months earlier he had downplayed.  Unfortunately the damage has been done.  I've already heard people say that they said we didn't need boosters and now they say we do.  That they don't know what they are doing.  The mix messaging continues.  Just yesterday CDC doctors were openly saying they didn't see a need for a booster at this time.  Yesterday.  It would help the vaccination effort if different parts of the effort got on the same page.

On another note, people who got the J&J vaccine are once again left out in the cold.  No recommendation for them.  J&J continues to say to expect something soon.
It's also unfortunate that so many folks either don't understand science in general, or choose to ignore its most basic tenets.  Science absolutely changes: frequently.  I am by no means a scientist, or a science expert...ologist...whatever (remember: I'm a drummer/music teacher  :P ), but one thing I love about scientists is they are not only constantly seeking the truth, they're constantly seeking to either verify or disprove truths.  The pathways and work product of discovering, verifying, and solidifying said 'truths' is an evolving and changing process.  What a scientific organization may say one week is their absolute best opinion may be radically different a month later after more data from studies is correlated and digested by a community of peer reviewers.

Of course, when we mix science with psuedo-politics, as the CDC and "scientists who are paid by a billion dollar company" can get, messaging gets even more confusing.  Was Pfizer looking to "rush" into things to continue seeing stock prices rise due to massive demand/need?  Was CDC looking to hedge their bets slightly to not muddy the messaging of "the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines are absolutely doing what they're designed to do so far!" by adding "but we also want to get boosters out at the 8 month mark of shot #2." 
Hard to say.

After talking to a friend of mine who's a scientist that spent much of 2020 in a lab studying COVID and working on aspects of a vaccine, it's also plausible that CDC didn't want to rush into something until they felt they had irrefutable data.  Or maybe certain Administrators or lead-scientists could have substantial egos and didn't want to be "lead" by a drug company, waiting until they felt THEY were satisfied with the data.  It's hard telling.

But the message is scientific 'facts' can change with more data that collected from research.  Especially in a pandemic of a viral disease, where so many variables are rapidly changing, scientific opinions and whatnot will be constantly changing
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on August 19, 2021, 10:01:10 AM
That's absolutely true - science is always changing, improving what we know, and we should follow the science. But I think @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) is absolutely right about the messaging; it continues to be a terrible mess. The CDC/US government/Fauci haven't been saying things like "we're aware of those studies but we're still analyzing the results" (re:boosters), or "we think masks will have tremendous protective value, but we need to save the N95s for our frontline workers until we can ramp up production". Instead of laying out the facts and proposing a course of action, they just keep denying things, then whipsawing back the other way. I understand their reasoning at the time of each decision, but when it keeps happening it just completely undermines people's trust in government agencies (which was not all that high even pre-pandemic).

Also, I think they underestimate how many people have absolutely no desire/capacity to follow the science. They just want to be told the simplest things they can do to keep their families safe without having to wade through pages and pages of Covid information every day. Those people would be much happier hearing "get a cloth mask for now, then consider upgrading to N95s when they're more widely available" and "we're not sure if we'll need boosters or not, but we'll keep you posted" than this endless back and forth.
 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 19, 2021, 01:07:32 PM
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Of course, when we mix science with psuedo-politics, as the CDC and "scientists who are paid by a billion dollar company" can get, messaging gets even more confusing.  Was Pfizer looking to "rush" into things to continue seeing stock prices rise due to massive demand/need?  Was CDC looking to hedge their bets slightly to not muddy the messaging of "the Pfizer & Moderna vaccines are absolutely doing what they're designed to do so far!" by adding "but we also want to get boosters out at the 8 month mark of shot #2." 
Hard to say.

The CDC is about politics.  Not everyone in the CDC is political.  Most aren't.  The actual researchers aren't.  But the end product of the CDC is policy.  The job of the director of the CDC is to turn science into policy and then convince people to follow it.  That's literally politics.  That's why I smirk when the top echelon of US public health says they are all about the science and not politics.  Their job is literally political.

I don't think Pfizer's recommendation was based on greed.  Their science is solid.  That's what their decision was based on.  The CDC's own science now has vindicated them.  More on this later.

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After talking to a friend of mine who's a scientist that spent much of 2020 in a lab studying COVID and working on aspects of a vaccine, it's also plausible that CDC didn't want to rush into something until they felt they had irrefutable data.  Or maybe certain Administrators or lead-scientists could have substantial egos and didn't want to be "lead" by a drug company, waiting until they felt THEY were satisfied with the data.  It's hard telling.

I said this when it was happening, IMO that's it.  They wanted Pfizer to know who's the boss.  My belief has been reinforced by what we have found out since.  While the government was giving Pfizer a public "slap down", behind they scenes they were implementing Pfizer's recommendation.  They were preparing to give the third dose.  They were ordering additional doses from Pfizer for the third dose while publicly rebuking them for suggesting it.

It's not just Pfizer that's been vindicated.  It's Israel.  Implicitly, at the least, Israel's competence was called into question.  The top echelon of US public rebutted Israel's data by saying we weren't seeing the same thing here.  Yesterday, that was shown to be untrue.  The CDC released data that showed that we had data that corroborated Israel's data even as we dismissed it.  It's possible that the very top of US pubic health only has access to the same data that you and I have.  That's frightening.  You would think they would have the data before it's made pretty for public consumption.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e1.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e3.htm

Ironically now, Israel has become the canary in the coal mine for us.  We cite them as being 1-2 months ahead of us so what happens there is what we should expect to happen here.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on August 19, 2021, 05:14:56 PM
It was disheartening to me when I was dealing with a rental car that they "apologized for the delay, but they had 5 people out with COVID" and half of them weren't wearing masks and all of the ones that were were wearing them incorrectly with their nose exposed, not bending the nose bar so it was straight, etc.

The 5 people really stood out to me because this was a small site that my guess would be 15 employees absolute max.  My wild guess was 10 people worked there.

It was a bit ironic since their hold music reiterated over and over how safe their disinfected cars were and they couldn't even keep their employees safe from COVID.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on August 19, 2021, 05:50:48 PM
every body is masked indoors in Philly
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 20, 2021, 04:03:05 PM
Just read (in NYT) that FDA will move Mon. to approve to give full approval to the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine.  :)
Bring on:
1. mandates now requiring the vaccine (I'm looking at you, High Schools)
2. new BS excuses to not take the vaccine from the moron-squad (YES, I personally know some good friends/co-workers w/legit medical reasons for not being able to get this vaccine but I also know FAR more who are just being stubbornly dopey about not getting it)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on August 20, 2021, 06:02:38 PM
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every body is masked indoors in Philly
Majority of folks here that I've seen walking in Philly are masked, and most are the same when in shops.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 23, 2021, 07:07:23 AM
FDA has now fully approved the Pfizer vaccine: no longer “just” for emergency status!!
This vaccine has received more vetting than any vaccine in history prior to full authorization.
This should be obvious, but they don’t usually get data on literally tens of millions of people before authorization.

Bring on the employment and school vaccine mandates now!!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on August 23, 2021, 07:11:27 AM
Now that it's ok'd, do you think that will change the mind of those saying it was rushed and it hasn't been authorized? I believe they still won't and come up with some other reason.

I heard when trump said to get the vaccine, people booed him.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 23, 2021, 08:47:23 AM
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Now that it's ok'd, do you think that will change the mind of those saying it was rushed and it hasn't been authorized? I believe they still won't and come up with some other reason.

I heard when trump said to get the vaccine, people booed him.
While I don't think it will change the mind of already admitted science-deniers, meaning they'll once again move the goalposts further back and come up with some other dopey excuse why they shouldn't get the _FREE_ COVID vaccine that is abundantly available in the US (and, oddly, rush out to ingest horse anti-worm medicine), it WILL mean more businesses and public education institutions (ie school districts) can mandate/require vaccinations for employment or to enroll into school.  It's currently 'only' approved for 16 years old and older, so we're not quite at the mandate for school students yet (though some HS districts in SoCA absolutely ARE adding that to the list of vaccinations required for student enrollment).  This also gives businesses more leeway for required vaccinations for service: many businesses are already doing this (for example, if one wants to attend a Los Vegas Raiders game they have to be vaccinated or provided negative COVID test), but now they can do so knowing Pfizer is no longer 'emergency use only,' meaning zero excuses to not receive it (short of the obvious legit medical reasoning, for example people who have allergies).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 23, 2021, 09:53:34 AM
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Now that it's ok'd, do you think that will change the mind of those saying it was rushed and it hasn't been authorized? I believe they still won't and come up with some other reason.

I heard when trump said to get the vaccine, people booed him.

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I agree with you about the hardcore 15-20%.  This will just make them ratchet up the next excuse.  Look at their behavior on so many issues over the last few years.  When confronted with facts that disprove a belief, they just move on to the next excuse.  When they run out of excuses then they just say "I don't care.  I'm never going to believe you."  They are truly lost.  Look at the people that have been hospitalized, some twice, for covid and still won't get vaccinated.

But this does remove the last perceived impediment to vaccine mandates.  It was never a barrier, plenty of companies already have vaccine mandates.  It's just removes a talking point arguing against it.  A vaccine mandate will persuade a lot of people.  Given the choice of losing your job or getting a jab that you don't think works, why not just go along and get the jab?

The group I think this approval will have the most impact on are vaccinated parents with children.  Many vaccinated parents have not vaccinated their eligible children.  The vaccination rate for eligible children is about half the adult rate.  Clearly the vaccinated parents aren't anti-vax.  Yet something kept them from vaccinating their kids.  Hopefully the approval will be enough to convince them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on August 23, 2021, 12:39:40 PM
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Now that it's ok'd, do you think that will change the mind of those saying it was rushed and it hasn't been authorized? I believe they still won't and come up with some other reason.

I heard when trump said to get the vaccine, people booed him.

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I hate to say it, but i think that it won't change many minds.  This has become a political/badge of honor thing more than the science.

I hope that I am wrong.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on August 23, 2021, 02:13:31 PM
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I hate to say it, but i think that it won't change many minds.  This has become a political/badge of honor thing more than the science.

I hope that I am wrong.

Ditto
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 24, 2021, 01:52:31 PM
Today the CDC released another paper showing what other countries have been saying for months.  Delta is bad.  Efficacy for the vaccinated to prevent infection has dropped from 91% BD to 66% AD.  They do note that this decline may also be because of waning efficacy.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e4a.htm?s_cid=mm7034e4_w
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on August 24, 2021, 05:01:54 PM
I remember at the very beginning when everyone was all on board, staying indoors, being friendly with neighbors....and then it became political. That was really sad.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 25, 2021, 09:52:38 AM
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I hate to say it, but i think that it won't change many minds.  This has become a political/badge of honor thing more than the science.

I hope that I am wrong.
This is likely true, BUT full FDA approval means businesses can take a harder line mandating vaccination: for employment & extra curricular (bars, restaurants, concerts, movies, sporting events hopefully, etc).  The Ohio Stat University, for example, had been waiting for full FDA approval before mandating student & faculty be vaccinated and then wasted little time rolling out their policy upon FDA approval the other day.  Businesses mandating vaccination will help move the needle.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on August 25, 2021, 09:59:20 AM
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This is likely true, BUT full FDA approval means businesses can take a harder line mandating vaccination: for employment & extra curricular (bars, restaurants, concerts, movies, sporting events hopefully, etc).  The Ohio Stat University, for example, had been waiting for full FDA approval before mandating student & faculty be vaccinated and then wasted little time rolling out their policy upon FDA approval the other day.  Businesses mandating vaccination will help move the needle.

Yay, Go Bucks!! 

(practicing for next week's season opener  ;D)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 25, 2021, 10:37:02 AM
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This is likely true, BUT full FDA approval means businesses can take a harder line mandating vaccination: for employment & extra curricular (bars, restaurants, concerts, movies, sporting events hopefully, etc).  The Ohio Stat University, for example, had been waiting for full FDA approval before mandating student & faculty be vaccinated and then wasted little time rolling out their policy upon FDA approval the other day.  Businesses mandating vaccination will help move the needle.

Not just vaccine mandates, but with financial penalties.  Hit people where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  Treat it like smoking.  Refusing vaccination can be used to justify higher health insurance premiums.  Which makes sense since an unvaccinated person has a higher risk of having increased healthcare costs.  I think losing $200/month might persuade some of the unwilling.

In the news today, J&J now hopes for a "booster" for it's 1 shot vaccine.  This isn't even a result of it's 2 dose clinical trial.  What's taking that so long?  It's based on a small, 17 person, study of a second dose of J&J.  This is expected.  There was nothing special about the J&J vaccine that made it one and done compared to the 2 dose vaccines.  Especially since it's similar to the AZ vaccine.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/booster-shot-jj-vaccine-raises-antibody-levels-company-says
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 25, 2021, 11:35:06 AM
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Yay, Go Bucks!! 

(practicing for next week's season opener  ;D)
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on August 25, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
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Not just vaccine mandates, but with financial penalties.  Hit people where it hurts, in the pocketbook.  Treat it like smoking.  Refusing vaccination can be used to justify higher health insurance premiums.  Which makes sense since an unvaccinated person has a higher risk of having increased healthcare costs.  I think losing $200/month might persuade some of the unwilling.
Here we go with that: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2021/08/25/delta-air-lines-covid-vaccine-surcharge-health-care-insurance/5585217001/
Delta Airlines charging unvaccinated employees an extra $200 a month in insurance costs. 
Quote
From the article:The average Delta employee hospitalized for COVID-19 has cost the company $50,000, CEO Ed Bastian said in a memo to employees released by the airline.
"This surcharge will be necessary to address the financial risk the decision to not vaccinate is creating for our company," he wrote.


AFAIK Delta Airlines (ironic/unfortunate coincidence of a name for the times  :P ) is the first business to not only (tacitly) mandate the vaccination but to also attach a financial penalty for NOT getting vaccinated
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 25, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
The Biden administration plans Covid-19 boosters at six months after full vaccination instead of eight.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-plans-covid-19-vaccine-boosters-at-six-months-instead-of-eight-11629919356?mod=djemalertNEWS
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 25, 2021, 01:30:55 PM
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The Biden administration plans Covid-19 boosters at six months after full vaccination instead of eight.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-plans-covid-19-vaccine-boosters-at-six-months-instead-of-eight-11629919356?mod=djemalertNEWS

Oh man, we're already late.  Time to pile the parents into the car!  I really wish there was still drive through vaccination.

I think the only reason that it was 8 months to begin with was so that the FDA would have time to approve it.  The FDA has done that.  So there's no longer any reason to wait.  6 or 8 months, now that it's FDA approved a doctor can go off label and prescribe it anyways.  So why not make it 6 and match what Israel has done?

Good news from Israel.  They are reporting that after the third dose efficacy rises back up to 95% against infection, 97% against serious symptoms.  They are now giving the third dose to those 30 and older.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/coronavirus-in-israel-9891-new-cases-second-day-in-a-row-nearing-10k-677664
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on August 26, 2021, 01:11:10 PM
New J&J data: https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1430979888643678208?s=21 (another link for those that don’t use Twitter: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262569v1 )


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In the news today, J&J now hopes for a "booster" for it's 1 shot vaccine.  This isn't even a result of it's 2 dose clinical trial.  What's taking that so long?  It's based on a small, 17 person, study of a second dose of J&J.  This is expected.  There was nothing special about the J&J vaccine that made it one and done compared to the 2 dose vaccines.  Especially since it's similar to the AZ vaccine.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/booster-shot-jj-vaccine-raises-antibody-levels-company-says
Like Obi-Wan always says, patience.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 27, 2021, 11:25:02 PM
Mom got her third Moderna shot from CVS this past Monday of this week six months after she was fully vaccinated due to her age (she’s pushing 90).  Two of her close friends her age also got third shots.

My six months will be in October.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on August 28, 2021, 08:27:17 AM
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Mom got her third Moderna shot from CVS this past Monday of this week six months after she was fully vaccinated due to her age (she’s pushing 90).  Two of her close friends her age also got third shots.

My six months will be in October.
thx for the heads up andrew, my folks are in their upper 80's #sigh
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 28, 2021, 10:16:48 AM
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Mom got her third Moderna shot from CVS this past Monday of this week six months after she was fully vaccinated due to her age (she’s pushing 90).  Two of her close friends her age also got third shots.

My six months will be in October.

I think that's great.  Was it as easy as walking in and asking for another dose of Moderna for them.  As far as I know the booster shot, other than for immunocompromised, isn't official in the US yet.  The CDC has yet to sign off.  Did CVS just put them into the immunocompromised category due to age?  Or they did they just give them the shot with no questions asked.  A lot of people have been doing that for months.

I'd love to get my parents and grandmother a third shot.  I think anyone over 100 should just get able to get a shot whenever.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on August 28, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
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I think that's great.  Was it as easy as walking in and asking for another dose of Moderna for them.  As far as I know the booster shot, other than for immunocompromised, isn't official in the US yet.  The CDC has yet to sign off.  Did CVS just put them into the immunocompromised category due to age?  Or they did they just give them the shot with no questions asked.  A lot of people have been doing that for months.

I'd love to get my parents and grandmother a third shot.  I think anyone over 100 should just get able to get a shot whenever.
https://abc7news.com/cvs-pharmacy-walgreens-third-covid19-vaccine-dose-booster-shots/10951365/

I haven' tried to make an appointment yet
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on August 30, 2021, 12:54:05 PM
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https://abc7news.com/cvs-pharmacy-walgreens-third-covid19-vaccine-dose-booster-shots/10951365/

I haven' tried to make an appointment yet

I think I'll call up a pharmacy and ask about those over 100.  Someone that age is immunocompromised.  There is no firm guidance on what qualifies and how to enforce it.  So I think it's up to each provider's discretion.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on August 30, 2021, 03:21:23 PM
Actually it was a third shot, I guess “booster” was the wrong word.  Pharmacies are taking appointments for third shots due to compromised immunity I believe six months after the second dose.  I did tell them she got her second dose six months ago.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 03, 2021, 12:00:12 AM
Here's a heads up about hospital diversions.  Make sure they send you to an in-network hospital.  That's not something that's a priority when sending the ambulance to another hospital.  That can get expensive if your insurance doesn't cover or only partially covers it.

I recently had to call 911 for a family member.  I didn't realize that the hospitals in San Diego were impacted due to covid.  The local hospital we go to was under diversion so they told the ambulance to go to another hospital.  The 2nd hospital in turn wanted to divert us to a 3rd hospital.  I objected since that 3rd hospital was not part of our insurance group.  After a dialog between the paramedic and the 2nd hospital about my concerns, they accepted the assignment.  There was a wait for an available bed in the ED but I've experienced worse.

Hopefully things will get better in a few weeks.  It does seem like new cases have peaked in San Diego.  The positivity rate continues to trend down.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on September 03, 2021, 05:57:41 AM
My friend and I had a discussion last night. He said in 2019, people died from the cold/flu. In 2020/2021, nobody has died. He says they are lumping every death to covid to make it look worse.
We went back and forth and he said he won't let anyone visit his dad that isn't vaccinated.

Finally, he said his problem is that COVID-19 was man made.

That logic doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter if it's man made or not, it's still horrible and we ALL need to do something to keep from having more millions of people dying and having after effects of Covid. I mean, don't get me wrong, it could be. Don't get me going down that worm hole. The nurse in the emergency room said it had markings similar to AIDS, and she said it had to be reproduced. But again...rabbit hole....

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on September 03, 2021, 07:23:08 AM
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My friend and I had a discussion last night. He said in 2019, people died from the cold/flu. In 2020/2021, nobody has died. He says they are lumping every death to covid to make it look worse.
Your friend can go to the CDC website and see the weekly stats for 'flu' (influenza) for the 2020/2021 'season.'  Obviously their data is currently preliminary, but you can see the stats broken down weekly from late Sept. 2020 - late August 2021.  Numbers were indeed "unusually low" but that's mostly because the majority of Americans were shut down for a chunk of that and/or masked up; also according to the CDC there were a record number of influenza vaccine doses administered.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 03, 2021, 12:28:41 PM
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My friend and I had a discussion last night. He said in 2019, people died from the cold/flu. In 2020/2021, nobody has died. He says they are lumping every death to covid to make it look worse.

Your friend is wrong.  I'll leave the cold out of this discussion for obvious reasons.  As for the flu, people still died from it in 2020/2021.  Just very few compared to normal.  That's because of record breaking flu vaccinations, the lockdowns and mask wearing.

Not only are they not attributing every death to covid, the opposite is happening.  In many states that think that covid is a hoax, they are doing everything they can to downplay covid.  People have been fired from their government jobs for telling the truth.  One former government employee in Florida who got fired for telling the truth and then continued to do so as a private citizen, had her house raided.  No charges have been filed.  All they did in the raid was take the computer and phone she was using to run the website that told the truth.  By all reports, Florida is still playing games with their covid numbers to downplay covid there.  Even with that game playing, it's bad.

Even in New York, they've found they had been undercounting the deaths.  I believe they just attributed another 12,000 to covid.  By many reports, covid deaths are undercounted worldwide.  An easy way to see this is by looking at excess deaths.  The number of deaths every year is pretty reliable.  Last year there was a spike in deaths.  A spike that isn't fully covered by the official number of reported covid deaths pretty much anywhere in the world.  Including here in the US.

Excess deaths is also a great way to track the origins of covid and it's spread.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on September 03, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
It seems to me, logically, that lots of flu cases went undiagnosed in the last year+ because people would go get a COVID test, wait for the results, and if it was negative they just rode out whatever illness they had rather than go get a flu swab.  So the flu wasn't being diagnosed unless people took the extra step of going in again for that test.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 09, 2021, 12:48:59 PM
Moderna stock is up 8% after they announced they are working on a single-shot combo vaccine that takes care of both Covid-19 AND the flu at the same time and that the new vaccine will be updated seasonally.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chachime45 on September 09, 2021, 09:06:17 PM
I’m an RN in Florida … I don’t post here much but I lurk quite a bit. So here’s my checkin.

This surge sucks. I thought the second one (last summer) was bad but this one took it to a new level. My hospital is still packed to overflowing but a few weeks ago we had to open a field hospital on a storage floor. I worked a few shifts up there. Some of the most exciting and terrible nights of my life … I’m proud of the work we did and I’m also depressed with how terrible it was.

About 95 percent of our patients were unvaccinated and almost all of the deaths were (last summer I thought it was bad when eight people passed on our unit in two weeks … this time four passed on a single shift and five on a shift when I wasn’t there). Meanwhile few people around town here bother to wear a mask.

This time very few intubated patients make it out of here (my unit is the last stop before the vent). Covid patients are younger and healthier than last year. But after a couple of vaccinated patients also died there is a loud voice in the community saying “See, masks and vaccines don’t work!”

Meanwhile the staff is burned out and the main thing keeping us going are the outrageous bonuses they have to pay to convince us to pick up shifts. We have a lot of travel nurses now so that helps a lot. And it’s finally starting to let up … our total Covid patient load is about half of the peak although the hospital is still jammed full (only a handful left in the field hospital, vented patients that keep ticking along).

I was really looking forward to SD this year. I have a hotel for November but not sure if I’ll go.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 10, 2021, 01:17:03 AM
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Moderna stock is up 8% after they announced they are working on a single-shot combo vaccine that takes care of both Covid-19 AND the flu at the same time and that the new vaccine will be updated seasonally.

More significantly, it's also a RSV vaccine.  If successful it would be the first.  People have tried unsuccessfully for decades to make a RSV vaccine.  There are already covid and flu vaccines.  So there are already options for those.  There's nothing for RSV.

Remember to get a flu shot.  I'll get mine when I get my third dose if they let me get it at the same time.  There's a danger that this could be a rebound year for the flu since it was so low last year.  A bad flu season combined with a seasonal surge in covid would be catastrophic for hospitals.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on September 10, 2021, 10:37:56 AM
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I’m an RN in Florida … I don’t post here much but I lurk quite a bit. So here’s my checkin.

This surge sucks. I thought the second one (last summer) was bad but this one took it to a new level. My hospital is still packed to overflowing but a few weeks ago we had to open a field hospital on a storage floor. I worked a few shifts up there. Some of the most exciting and terrible nights of my life … I’m proud of the work we did and I’m also depressed with how terrible it was.

About 95 percent of our patients were unvaccinated and almost all of the deaths were (last summer I thought it was bad when eight people passed on our unit in two weeks … this time four passed on a single shift and five on a shift when I wasn’t there). Meanwhile few people around town here bother to wear a mask.

This time very few intubated patients make it out of here (my unit is the last stop before the vent). Covid patients are younger and healthier than last year. But after a couple of vaccinated patients also died there is a loud voice in the community saying “See, masks and vaccines don’t work!”

Meanwhile the staff is burned out and the main thing keeping us going are the outrageous bonuses they have to pay to convince us to pick up shifts. We have a lot of travel nurses now so that helps a lot. And it’s finally starting to let up … our total Covid patient load is about half of the peak although the hospital is still jammed full (only a handful left in the field hospital, vented patients that keep ticking along).

I was really looking forward to SD this year. I have a hotel for November but not sure if I’ll go.

Thanks for sharing your story.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 17, 2021, 12:48:26 PM
The FDA advisory committee just voted against boosters for those 16 and up.  Now they are discussing whether they will advise boosters at another age, if any.  No real surprise for me.  Since an outspoken member of the committee has been saying for weeks that we don't need boosters.

The administration is already starting to walk back that booster announcement.  Fauci is saying that they never said that boosters would start on Sep 20th.  They said that they would be ready to offer boosters during the week of the 20th.  Ready doesn't mean it will start.

For me, I think I'll have to do it the old fashion way.  Have my doctor prescribe it off label.  2 million Amercians have already done that or simply walked into a vaccination site and got another shot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on September 17, 2021, 12:53:18 PM
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The FDA advisory committee just voted against boosters for those 16 and up.  Now they are discussing whether they will advise boosters at another age, if any.  No real surprise for me.  Since an outspoken member of the committee has been saying for weeks that we don't need boosters.

The administration is already starting to walk back that booster announcement.  Fauci is saying that they never said that boosters would start on Sep 20th.  They said that they would be ready to offer boosters during the week of the 20th.  Ready doesn't mean it will start.

For me, I think I'll have to do it the old fashion way.  Have my doctor prescribe it off label.  2 million Amercians have already done that or simply walked into a vaccination site and got another shot.

I wonder if my doctor will do the same.  I am fine if they say you don't have to as long as I can have it as an option.  From what I have read it's a good idea.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 17, 2021, 01:03:47 PM
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I wonder if my doctor will do the same.  I am fine if they say you don't have to as long as I can have it as an option.  From what I have read it's a good idea.

I don't see why not.  If doctors are happy to write script for snake oil like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, why wouldn't they write one for something that works?  Even if you doctor doesn't, it's not hard at all to get a third shot.  People have been doing it for months.  That 2 million number is a conservative estimate.  Others put it at 16% of the fully vaccinated.  Vaccination sites don't really challenge you when you ask for a jab.  The federal government is aware this is happening and they don't seem bothered by it at all.  They just ask that people wait 6 months.  Don't do it a week after your second shot.

Update: They are now recommending a Pfizer booster for those 65 and older.  They kept rephrasing the question to the committee in hopes of getting a yes.  65 and older was the magic number.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 17, 2021, 01:57:27 PM
FDA panel backs boosters for elderly people and those with health issues.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/17/covid-booster-shots-fda-recommendation
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 17, 2021, 10:13:22 PM
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FDA panel backs boosters for elderly people and those with health issues.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/17/covid-booster-shots-fda-recommendation

Let's see what the FDA does.  It was just the advisory committee voting today.  The FDA is not bound by that vote.  The vaccine regulator at the FDA explicitly said that today.  While the FDA does overwhelmingly follow their recommendations, they don't always.  Recently they didn't with a alzheimer drug.  The panel rejected it.  The FDA approved it.  The FDA also reserved the right after the vote to "tweak" their recommendation as they see fit.  Which happened today when they brought up including healthcare workers.

The disagreement comes down to what people consider the goal of the vaccines.  Should we prevent infection or only hospitalization/death?  A outspoken member of the advisory committee gave an interview after the vote and he only considers it a breakthrough if it's a serious illness.  Others want to prevent infection and thus spread.  The UK explicitly states they want to prevent infection to prevent variants evolving in a vaccinated population which may thus escape the vaccines.  Some in the US feel the same.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on September 17, 2021, 10:37:44 PM
“Explainer: The case for, and against, COVID-19 vaccine boosters”

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/case-against-covid-19-vaccine-boosters-2021-09-17/

Sharing because the vaccine boosters topic is being talked about.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on September 18, 2021, 12:39:24 AM
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It seems to me, logically, that lots of flu cases went undiagnosed in the last year+ because people would go get a COVID test, wait for the results, and if it was negative they just rode out whatever illness they had rather than go get a flu swab.  So the flu wasn't being diagnosed unless people took the extra step of going in again for that test.

My husband said there was no flu. Remember back when they didn't have many COVID tests to spare? His facility was testing everyone for flu first so they could minimize use of the COVID tests. He said no one had the flu. Later, they tested everyone for both. No one had the flu.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on September 18, 2021, 12:44:16 AM
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Your friend is wrong.  I'll leave the cold out of this discussion for obvious reasons.  As for the flu, people still died from it in 2020/2021.  Just very few compared to normal.  That's because of record breaking flu vaccinations, the lockdowns and mask wearing.

Not only are they not attributing every death to covid, the opposite is happening.  In many states that think that covid is a hoax, they are doing everything they can to downplay covid.  People have been fired from their government jobs for telling the truth.  One former government employee in Florida who got fired for telling the truth and then continued to do so as a private citizen, had her house raided.  No charges have been filed.  All they did in the raid was take the computer and phone she was using to run the website that told the truth.  By all reports, Florida is still playing games with their covid numbers to downplay covid there.  Even with that game playing, it's bad.

Even in New York, they've found they had been undercounting the deaths.  I believe they just attributed another 12,000 to covid.  By many reports, covid deaths are undercounted worldwide.  An easy way to see this is by looking at excess deaths.  The number of deaths every year is pretty reliable.  Last year there was a spike in deaths.  A spike that isn't fully covered by the official number of reported covid deaths pretty much anywhere in the world.  Including here in the US.

Excess deaths is also a great way to track the origins of covid and it's spread.

I agree with you. If there is an error in the count, it is that many COVID deaths were not counted, not the other way around.

In red states, when people got COVID pneumonia, the cause of death was listed as pneumonia. My husband says that's like saying the guy didn't die of a gunshot; he died from bleeding to death.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on September 18, 2021, 12:45:03 AM
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It seems to me, logically, that lots of flu cases went undiagnosed in the last year+ because people would go get a COVID test, wait for the results, and if it was negative they just rode out whatever illness they had rather than go get a flu swab.  So the flu wasn't being diagnosed unless people took the extra step of going in again for that test.

More likely, they had COVID and rode it out, so their COVID was not counted.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 20, 2021, 04:43:46 AM
Pfizer reports their vaccine is safe with children 5-11.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/health/covid-children-vaccine-pfizer.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on September 20, 2021, 09:15:01 AM
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Pfizer reports their vaccine is safe with children 5-11.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/health/covid-children-vaccine-pfizer.html
My 7 year old has _never_ been this excited to get a shot! :P
(I was the same way, as I presume millions of others were)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 21, 2021, 11:13:01 AM
As expected, J&J says a "booster" on top of the one and done shot will raise efficacy to the same level as the MRNA vaccines.  As I've said all along, I don't make a distinction between the various vaccines.  They may take different routes to get there, but they all do the same thing.  The difference is 1 or 2 doses. At 1 dose, they pretty much all do the same.  At 2 doses, they pretty much all do the same.  They did confirm that waiting longer after the prime is better.  Getting a second shot 6 months after the first is better than getting it after 2 months.  Understandably, we were in a rush to get the second shot this year.  But long term, it's better to space them out by 6 months.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/21/jj-covid-vaccine-booster-shot-is-94percent-effective-when-given-at-two-months.html

The bewildering thing is what happened to the long promised and long delayed results from the 2 dose trial of the J&J vaccine.  That started months before the study on a "booster".  Yet the "booster" results are out with not a peep from the 2 dose trial.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 22, 2021, 12:57:57 AM
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My 7 year old has _never_ been this excited to get a shot! :P
(I was the same way, as I presume millions of others were)

Unlike you and your 7-year-old, I was a big baby with shots!!!

Contrast to today, I was as excited as your 7-year-old when I got my two doses earlier this year!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 22, 2021, 04:41:32 PM
It’s official, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized Pfizer booster shots for those 65 and up as well as for those with health issues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/us/politics/pfizer-boosters-fda-authorize.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 22, 2021, 08:02:00 PM
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It’s official, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized Pfizer booster shots for those 65 and up as well as for those with health issues.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/22/us/politics/pfizer-boosters-fda-authorize.html

It's also for those at a high risk of exposure.  Isn't that pretty much everyone in a high transmission area?  Which is pretty much the entire United States.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on September 23, 2021, 09:13:38 AM
When will CDC provide guidance on administering the booster shots?


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 23, 2021, 10:11:09 AM
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They are meeting right now.  So as soon as today.
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 23, 2021, 03:14:51 PM
The CDC advisory panel has voted.  They pretty much matched the recommendation of the FDA advisory panel.  They rejected the add-on that the FDA introduced afterwards to include people at high risk of getting infected like nursing home staff and frontline healthcare workers.  As with the FDA, it's up to the CDC to decide whether to follow that advice or tweak it as they see fit.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on September 23, 2021, 04:37:13 PM
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As with the FDA, it's up to the CDC to decide whether to follow that advice or tweak it as they see fit.
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 23, 2021, 10:39:23 PM
The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has authorized Pfizer boosters to those 65 and up, as well as to those with health issues.  However, in a rare move, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky partially overruled her panel, saying the boosters should also go to people age 18-64 at risk because of their jobs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/23/covid-booster-shots-cdc
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 24, 2021, 11:46:25 AM
As the FDA did with their advisory committee, the CDC did with theirs.  The CDC tweaked it by adding in those at high risk of getting infected say due to their job.  Unlike the FDA committee that didn't specifically vote that down, the CDC panel did.  None of which was that necessary since the policy that people with underlying medical conditions qualify pretty much covers everyone.  Since the policy is that each person assess their own risk and then decide for themselves whether to get a booster or not.  If someone chooses to get a booster then they qualify via self attestation.  If you say you are eligible, then you are eligible.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 24, 2021, 12:34:06 PM
Los Angeles County begins administering Covid-19 Pfizer boosters to those 65 and older, residents in long-term care settings, and those age 50 to 64 with underlying medical conditions.  The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) also said younger adults with underlying medical conditions may get a booster, as well as adults age 18 to 64 at increased risk for coronavirus exposure because of occupational or institutional settings.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-24/l-a-county-begins-covid-19-booster-shots
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 24, 2021, 03:01:54 PM
As per the CDC press release.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0924-booster-recommendations-.html

The list of qualifying underlying conditions.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

Includes being a minority.

"Long-standing systemic health and social inequities have put various groups of people at increased risk of getting sick and dying from COVID-19, including many racial and ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities."

The list of qualifying medical conditions is quite broad.  I think if you add up all the people that qualify there is a majority.  They should have made it less confusing and just said to go get a booster if it's been more than 6 months since your second shot.  Instead, the confusing messaging continues.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on September 24, 2021, 04:40:46 PM
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As per the CDC press release.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0924-booster-recommendations-.html

The list of qualifying underlying conditions.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

Includes being a minority.

"Long-standing systemic health and social inequities have put various groups of people at increased risk of getting sick and dying from COVID-19, including many racial and ethnic minority groups and people with disabilities."

The list of qualifying medical conditions is quite broad.  I think if you add up all the people that qualify there is a majority.  They should have made it less confusing and just said to go get a booster if it's been more than 6 months since your second shot.  Instead, the confusing messaging continues.

My husband would love to get a booster this weekend. I checked Albertsons, but they want to wait for corporate to come out with their policy. Anyone know a place we can get it this weekend without having to fib and say we are immunocompromised? He doesn't like to lie.

___________

Never mind. We booked an appointment at CVS for tonight!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on September 24, 2021, 06:45:12 PM
Vaccine update for here in New Jersey: https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/announcements/all-announcements/statement-from-new-jersey-department-of-health-commissioner-judith-persichilli-on-cdc-approval-of-pfizer-booster-dose (https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/announcements/all-announcements/statement-from-new-jersey-department-of-health-commissioner-judith-persichilli-on-cdc-approval-of-pfizer-booster-dose)

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The New Jersey Department of Health is directing our vaccination partners in the state to begin administering booster doses to eligible individuals immediately. Individuals will self-identify according to the categories above and will not be required by vaccination providers to provide proof of a medical condition or a note from a medical provider in order to receive a booster dose in New Jersey.

I have my booster dose scheduled for Thursday.  Now thinking I may come out to California for Thanksgiving. :)

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 24, 2021, 08:01:33 PM
The Western States Scientific Safety Review Workgroup, kind of like a CDC for a group of Western States, also issued their recommendation for a booster today.  They specifically called out social inequalities in the assessment of eligibility.

"The Workgroup strongly endorsed the CDC’s recognition that long-standing health and social inequities have increased the risk of severe illness from COVID-19 and recommended that social determinants of vulnerability be included in the assessment of medical conditions that qualify individuals for booster doses."

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/09/24/western-states-scientific-safety-review-workgroup-recommends-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-booster-shot-after-6-months/

The hard qualifications are 18+ and 6 months since the second shot.  The rest of the qualifications are pretty flexible.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on September 25, 2021, 03:37:28 PM
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Anyone know a place we can get it this weekend without having to fib and say we are immunocompromised? He doesn't like to lie.

___________

Never mind. We booked an appointment at CVS for tonight!

I seriously thought of doing that but like your husband (and like my late father), I too have a conscience. One expert on MSNBC said if you got Moderna or J&J and you are either a front line worker or a resident of a nursing home, you may have to consider getting the Pfizer booster.  So far, I’m not willing to mix my vaccines.

For now, I will wait until the Moderna booster comes out.  The end of October will mark six months since I’ve been fully vaccinated.  However, if we get to the first week of November and Thanksgiving is the time the Special Edition event takes place (and I did get a badge), then I might need to make some hard decisions.

Either way, I hope Delta doesn’t find me first.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on September 25, 2021, 11:48:59 PM
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I seriously thought of doing that but like your husband (and like my late father), I too have a conscience. One expert on MSNBC said if you got Moderna or J&J and you are either a front line worker or a resident of a nursing home, you may have to consider getting the Pfizer booster.  So far, I’m not willing to mix my vaccines.

For now, I will wait until the Moderna booster comes out.  The end of October will mark six months since I’ve been fully vaccinated.  However, if we get to the first week of November and Thanksgiving is the time the Special Edition event takes place (and I did get a badge), then I might need to make some hard decisions.

Either way, I hope Delta doesn’t find me first.

I have Moderna, too. If you have Modserna, you are well protected at 6 months. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-says-covid-19-vaccine-protection-wanes-makes-case-booster-2021-09-15/

I'm going to wait, but like you, I might reconsider if the number start to look bad later (like for 8 months or a year). I am patient at the moment.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 26, 2021, 12:06:07 AM
The people that got moderna are still well protected.  That triple sized dose is doing it's job.  They had durability in mind when they picked such a large dose.  If I had gotten the J&J one and done, I would have gotten a second dose long ago.

I got pfizer.  I'm already over 6 months.  I'm getting the third dose as soon as possible.  I hope that I can get a flu shot at the same time.  The new qualifications are so soft that a lot of people should be eligible.  High blood pressure alone qualifies about half of all adults.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on September 26, 2021, 09:01:38 AM
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The people that got moderna are still well protected.  That triple sized dose is doing it's job.  They had durability in mind when they picked such a large dose.  If I had gotten the J&J one and done, I would have gotten a second dose long ago.

I got pfizer.  I'm already over 6 months.  I'm getting the third dose as soon as possible.  I hope that I can get a flu shot at the same time.  The new qualifications are so soft that a lot of people should be eligible.  High blood pressure alone qualifies about half of all adults.

The new qualifications were intentionally soft. Basically, it says if you're worried that you are at risk, you can get the shot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 26, 2021, 12:23:43 PM
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The new qualifications were intentionally soft. Basically, it says if you're worried that you are at risk, you can get the shot.

That they were.  It was instructive to see how the FDA kept massaging the question presented to the committee in hopes of making it as broad as possible.  In the end, they didn't get there so the FDA and the CDC tweaked the policy to broaden it.

I will disagree with the powers that be that what we saw this week was transparency in science.  I don't think anyone disagrees with the science.  A third dose helps.  What they disagreed on was policy.  It was transparency in politics.  Some only care about hospitalizations and deaths.  Others want to prevent infections outright.  Others were concerned about the message a third dose would give to the people who haven't even gotten a first dose.  We can't even convince them to get 1 dose, what are the chances if now they are suppose to get 3?  Then there were the people that were all for boosters.  All this is politics, not science.

Yes, two doses still offers good protection against hospitalization and death.  In the last 30 day numbers I saw in San Diego, there were 12 vaccinated people hospitalized and 11 vaccinated deaths.  Which is great in that it's such a low number.  Which is bad in that if you are vaccinated and are sick enough to be hospitalized then things don't look good.

But due to the brain damage concern alone even among mild cases, I'm getting myself and all my family members a third dose.  I need to keep whatever brains I have left.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on September 26, 2021, 04:22:02 PM
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I need to keep whatever brains I have left.

LOL. Me, too.

I wish my daughter qualified. She got Pfizer and is at 6 months right now, but she's 17. What do you think? I could always say she's immunocompromised.


Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 27, 2021, 11:03:14 PM
California really is the golden state.  At least the CDC thinks so.  It's the only state that doesn't have a high level of community transmission and so is colored yellow instead of red.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_community

The administration in California has done a great job dealing with covid.  I'm lucky to live here.  San Diego is also doing awesome.  Today's numbers had a dramatic drop down.  The positivity rate is under 1.5%.  The number of cases were so low that I thought it was a low testing day.  Then I saw the number of tests which is at high end of the recent range.  A lot of tests with a low number of positives is what I want to see.

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I wish my daughter qualified. She got Pfizer and is at 6 months right now, but she's 17. What do you think? I could always say she's immunocompromised.

Another way to go is to have her doctor write a prescription for her.  Since Pfizer is FDA approved, a doctor can prescribe it off label.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on September 28, 2021, 07:43:28 AM
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California really is the golden state.  At least the CDC thinks so.  It's the only state that doesn't have a high level of community transmission and so is colored yellow instead of red.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_community

The administration in California has done a great job dealing with covid.  I'm lucky to live here.  San Diego is also doing awesome.  Today's numbers had a dramatic drop down.  The positivity rate is under 1.5%.  The number of cases were so low that I thought it was a low testing day.  Then I saw the number of tests which is at high end of the recent range.  A lot of tests with a low number of positives is what I want to see.

Another way to go is to have her doctor write a prescription for her.  Since Pfizer is FDA approved, a doctor can prescribe it off label.

Yeah, but it's a group, not a private practice. They tend to follow the policy of the group, which follows government guidelines.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on September 28, 2021, 09:25:08 AM
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Yeah, but it's a group, not a private practice. They tend to follow the policy of the group, which follows government guidelines.
I wonder if the "qualifying underlying conditions" will be handled the same as they were during general vaccine rollout last spring: via 'honor system.'  Meaning, if someone scheduled an appointment via, say, Albertsons, no one was checking to see "oooh: I see on your medical record you have asthma + high blood pressure so you healthy-looking teenager def. needs to get their booster shot ahead of other teenagers."  I'm not saying lie, but as pointed out the incredibly soft, broad conditions could apply to likely most folks in some way.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 28, 2021, 09:51:52 AM
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I wonder if the "qualifying underlying conditions" will be handled the same as they were during general vaccine rollout last spring: via 'honor system.'  Meaning, if someone scheduled an appointment via, say, Albertsons, no one was checking to see "oooh: I see on your medical record you have asthma + high blood pressure so you healthy-looking teenager def. needs to get their booster shot ahead of other teenagers."  I'm not saying lie, but as pointed out the incredibly soft, broad conditions could apply to likely most folks in some way.

That's exactly how it's supposed to work.  By the federal guidelines, if you say you are eligible then you are eligible.  That's based on your own personal risk assessment.  They are not supposed to ask why or ask you to prove it.  When I got my third dose, basically there was one question that grouped all the qualifications into one.  There wasn't a separate question about immunocompromised and another about high risk setting or another about your BMI.  It was one long broad question that grouped all the qualifications together.  When I went into get the shot, the only thing they asked me was whether it was my 1st or 2nd shot.  What they were really asking was do we issue you a vaccination card or do you already have one.  When I said 3rd, they asked for my vaccination card.  There was one other question they asked, do you want them both in one arm or in separate arms?  I also got my flu shot at the same time.  I was wondering if it would be possible.  I didn't even have to ask.  It was offered.  Would you like a flu shot with that?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on September 29, 2021, 07:49:14 PM
My parents in AZ got their booster shot today; said it was incredibly easy to schedule an appointment (FWIW they also said it was easy to schedule their original appointments: the first was at the NFL stadium outside Phoenix).  I know my only reference to this is my parents at this point, but I'm glad that it sounds very easy to accomplish and hope all who want/need it here have similar success!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 29, 2021, 09:00:53 PM
We got an email about the booster from one of the large healthcare operators in San Diego.  They are the people I got my first two shots from.  They said "You do not need a doctor’s note or need to attest to your underlying health condition."  They are trying to make it as easy as possible.

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My parents in AZ got their booster shot today; said it was incredibly easy to schedule an appointment (FWIW they also said it was easy to schedule their original appointments: the first was at the NFL stadium outside Phoenix).  I know my only reference to this is my parents at this point, but I'm glad that it sounds very easy to accomplish and hope all who want/need it here have similar success!

When I scheduled mine, there was literally no waiting.  For my own reasons, I scheduled one for a couple of hours later.  They could have fit me in earlier.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on September 30, 2021, 08:00:13 AM
I was able to schedule my booster shot appointment at a pharmacy near my home through myturn.ca.gov very easily.
No more vaxapocalypse! :D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on September 30, 2021, 07:22:57 PM
Here in San Diego, the positivity rate for the covid tests reported today is 1.17%.  That's almost back down to pre-delta levels.  There are an unusually high number of reported tests though.  I hope it's not some sort of clerical error.  It's really good news.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 01, 2021, 10:24:18 AM
Merck announced last night that they stopped enrollment early in a phase 3 trial for Emory's antiviral because the results are so good against covid.  It's a pill that cuts hospitalization risk by 50% with no deaths in the people who took it.  That's great news.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/01/merck-to-seek-emergency-authorization-for-oral-covid-19-treatment.html

It will be interesting to see how the FDA approval process goes for this.  If this was normal times, it would take years.  It's a novel approach.  New approaches generally take a long time to be approved since they are so unknown.  This drug works by introducing errors into RNA replication.  I wonder how it only targets covid.  They have been concerns in the past over mutagenic dangers with this approach.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on October 01, 2021, 05:01:18 PM
CA because first state in nation to announce COVID-19 vaccine requirements for schools!
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/10/01/california-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-announce-covid-19-vaccine-requirements-for-schools/

* state public AND private schools (meaning, ALL schools in the state)
* will go into effect the semester immediately following FDA approval of vaccinations 12-over (for most districts, that will mean either early/mid-January 2022, or July 2022 when the fiscal year begins for all districts).  That's typically grades 7-12
* all school site state will be REQUIRED to be vaccinated: the weekly testing as an option will no longer be an option
* when approval comes for 5-over they will be required the next semester

This is all outstanding news, IMO.  We've done a great job mitigating the Delta variant in CA, and I sincerely hope these mandates (not just education, but other large businesses and public professions) continue to help knocking COVID out.  It was confirmed publicly today that my school district (the one I work in/the one my youngest child attends) has 90% school site vaccination rate, and I suspect this mandate will drive that number up over the next months.  I'm not 100% sure what will happen to anyone that has a legit medical reason not to receive the vaccination, but I presume there are exemptions they can apply for.  The vast majority will be vaccinated, and as an on-site school employee & a parent, I couldn't be happier about that!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 01, 2021, 08:34:40 PM
FDA will hold meetings regarding boosters for Moderna (October 14th) and J&J (October 15th) and Pfizer's vaccine for kids 5-11 (October 26th).

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-hold-advisory-committee-meetings-discuss-emergency-use-authorization-booster-doses-and-covid-19/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 02, 2021, 10:18:40 AM
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This is all outstanding news, IMO.  We've done a great job mitigating the Delta variant in CA, and I sincerely hope these mandates (not just education, but other large businesses and public professions) continue to help knocking COVID out.

Yes we have.  The opposition made the recall a referendum on covid policy.  They thought that Californians would rebel against the restrictions.  Instead of getting defensive and shying away from action, Newsom leaned into it.  He played up his covid policies and promised more.  Which the voters overwhelming voted for.  Now Newsom has a mandate.  About a third of Californians are satisfied, but another third want more done.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on October 04, 2021, 08:39:13 AM
Just learned our district (or at least the school I teach at) is getting a bit aggressive with their COVID protocols.  I have a student who has cold symptoms, but as those symptoms are also COVID symptoms, the students is not allowed to return on campus until he furnishes a negative COVID test.
So year for student safety; bummer for student learning.  I had another student earlier in a similar situation, and it took him 3 days to get the test results back.  We don't do concurrent teaching anymore, and while some students are good at reaching out to teachers when they missed (as the previous one did), many do not; we post assignments and reminders online but for some students that's not the same as being in-person to learn/improve.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on October 04, 2021, 10:39:38 AM
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Just learned our district (or at least the school I teach at) is getting a bit aggressive with their COVID protocols.  I have a student who has cold symptoms, but as those symptoms are also COVID symptoms, the students is not allowed to return on campus until he furnishes a negative COVID test.
So year for student safety; bummer for student learning.  I had another student earlier in a similar situation, and it took him 3 days to get the test results back.  We don't do concurrent teaching anymore, and while some students are good at reaching out to teachers when they missed (as the previous one did), many do not; we post assignments and reminders online but for some students that's not the same as being in-person to learn/improve.

With all the football games and such, I was expecting massive breakouts, but so far, it's been good (knock wood). We were on a bus trip for extracurricular and the bus driver pulled over near our destination. She either had diarrhea or vomiting. Not sure which, as she had left the bus to do her thing. There were five busses and the other bus drivers knew she was sick. I'm hoping it's not COVID.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 05, 2021, 11:24:56 AM
In the last few days, two homegrown studies came out that confirmed what Israel, Pfizer and others have been saying for months.  Efficacy against infection wanes after 6 months with the Pfizer vaccine.  Efficacy against hospitalization remains strong.  This isn't unique to Pfizer, all these vaccines are waning.  One of these studies made it clear that it's not because of delta being more contagious.  The efficacy is waning regardless.  A troubling part is that one of the studies found that it's just not antibodies that are diminishing, it's t cells too.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.30.462488v1
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 05, 2021, 09:11:40 PM
It just means the vaccines will need to be updated seasonally just like the flu shot.  The threat of a variant being resistant to vaccines is out there.  Hopefully it isn't Mu.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 06, 2021, 11:53:34 AM
One of the studies found that the efficacy against hospitalization doesn't vary with the variant.  That was the same study that found that the diminishing efficacy against infection isn't due to the delta variant, the waning is happening regardless.

I think what these studies have shown is that the 2 doses were given too close together.  In the rush to have as much immunity as fast as possible, they were scheduled too close together.  For many 2 dose vaccines, the time between shots is much longer.  So the third dose might just be enough to offer long term, possibly lifetime, protection.  That will probably be the new accepted schedule.  2 doses in short order to get as much immunity as fast as possible.  Then a 3rd dose 6-8 months later for long term durability.  When things settle down and covid is endemic, it may just be a 2 dose schedule with a decent period of time between doses.  Like with the measles.  It will just be one of the vaccinations everyone gets.  Of course, with the caveat that there not be a variant that changes the game.  But there's only so much a virus can mutate.  Long term, viruses tend to settle into a less deadly form.  Long term, it doesn't pay off to keep killing the hosts.  That's what happened with the 1918 flu virus.  It evolved into a less deadly variant that's still with us every flu season.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 08, 2021, 11:54:01 PM
Lately, many Russians, not trusting their own Russian-made vaccine, have been flying to Serbia in order to access Western-based vaccines like Pfizer.  The Russia-based vaccine, called Sputnik V, has not been endorsed by the World Health Organization (WHO) or the European Medicines Agency, leading many Western countries to not recognize it as proof of vaccination for overseas travel.  Sputnik V, which came into existence in Russia in August 2020, has also been authorized for use in 70 other countries, Serbia being among them, along with Mexico and Venezuela.  Serbia, which is not a member of the European Union, is a convenient choice for vaccine-seeking Russians because they can enter the allied Balkan nation without visas and because it offers a wide choice of Western-made shots. Organized tours for Russians have soared, and they can be spotted in the capital, Belgrade, at hotels, restaurants, bars and vaccination clinics.

http://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-lifestyle-serbia-europe-02aa2bc49d00299493aa46c1af5e15a2
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on October 11, 2021, 10:28:57 AM
I find it very interesting Denver Fan Expo is not requiring vaccinations or negative tests.  Just masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on October 11, 2021, 11:28:05 AM
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I find it very interesting Denver Fan Expo is not requiring vaccinations or negative tests.  Just masks.
Taking the lax approach; dunno what the state or city mandates are (if any).  NYC and San Diego have specific state and city mandates to follow in addition to whatever the organizers want to do above & beyond said mandates.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on October 11, 2021, 12:39:32 PM
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I find it very interesting Denver Fan Expo is not requiring vaccinations or negative tests.  Just masks.

SiliCon was the same, and so was Gen Con.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on October 11, 2021, 02:42:07 PM
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I find it very interesting Denver Fan Expo is not requiring vaccinations or negative tests.  Just masks.

This was the same at Salt Lake FanX. It seems that the conventions are largely just following whatever the state requires.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on October 11, 2021, 06:56:53 PM
LOL, well we might as well be Florida now. 

I do think it's based on state regulations.  I guess our state is run by a bunch of idiots  :D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on October 11, 2021, 08:06:27 PM
Maybe, but your state (and Utah too, for that matter) has also had one of the lowest death rates this entire time.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 14, 2021, 12:32:16 PM
The FDC advisory committee has unanimously voted to recommend a Moderna booster under the same qualifications as the BioNTech booster.  Now they are discussing whether to expand that to all.  Which I don't think they will do since Moderna's durability has held up better than Pfizer's.

The CDC advisory committee meets next week to vote on the same thing.  I expect them to do the same.  So as soon as a week from today, Moderna boosters could be authorized.  I plan to take my parents as soon as it happens to get a third dose and a flu shot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 18, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
The FDA will allow people to get a booster from a vaccine different from the one they got from their first two shots.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/politics/fda-mix-and-match-boosters.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on October 19, 2021, 09:36:43 AM
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The FDA will allow people to get a booster from a vaccine different from the one they got from their first two shots.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/politics/fda-mix-and-match-boosters.html
Interesting, as the completist in me feels like "well, I have Moderna I think I need Pfizer to complete my collection (sorry J&J but I'm not interested in you)."
But as someone who doesn't like to even mix the food on my plate (lord help me if my mashed potatoes are too close to my steak!), I feel like I probably won't mix vaccines.

I have an incredibly weird brain, is maybe what I'm saying here... :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 19, 2021, 10:46:31 AM
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The FDA will allow people to get a booster from a vaccine different from the one they got from their first two shots.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/18/us/politics/fda-mix-and-match-boosters.html

Finally.  Other countries, including Canada, have been doing this for months.  It's not only that it's safe, you can get a better immune response.  For example, it's better for someone that got the J&J one and done to get Pfizer or Moderna as their second shot instead of another shot of J&J. 

Speaking of which, the FDA advisory panel, also voted unanimously for a second shot for those who got J&J.  This isn't really a "booster" like for the MRNA vaccines.  It's a second shot.  There are no restrictions on anyone 18 and over to get it.  They also recommend it 2 months after the first shot instead of waiting 6 months like with a real "booster".  One and done should never had been a thing.  Curiously there has been no news out of J&J about the two dose arm of it's clinical trial.  Those results should have come out months ago.  The "booster" trial that started later has already had results released.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 19, 2021, 02:44:01 PM
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Interesting, as the completist in me feels like "well, I have Moderna I think I need Pfizer to complete my collection (sorry J&J but I'm not interested in you)."
But as someone who doesn't like to even mix the food on my plate (lord help me if my mashed potatoes are too close to my steak!), I feel like I probably won't mix vaccines.

I have an incredibly weird brain, is maybe what I'm saying here... :P

I’m with you, I’m not a mix-and-matcher.  Hopefully we’ll know by tomorrow if Moderna boosters gets the go-ahead.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on October 20, 2021, 08:55:13 AM
Sounds like kids 5-11 can get fully vaccinated by the winter Holiday break (presuming 2 shots; by Thanksgiving if only 1 shot)!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/10/20/covid-transmission-cases-deaths-vaccinations-transmission-mandates/8530204002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/10/20/covid-transmission-cases-deaths-vaccinations-transmission-mandates/8530204002/)
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Vaccines for youths will be the focus of the Food and Drug Administration’s independent advisory committee meeting Oct. 26 and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s independent panel meeting Nov. 2-3.

"Our planning efforts mean that we will be ready to begin getting shots in arms in the days following a final CDC recommendation," the White House said in a statement.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on October 20, 2021, 09:51:21 AM
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Interesting, as the completist in me feels like "well, I have Moderna I think I need Pfizer to complete my collection (sorry J&J but I'm not interested in you)."
But as someone who doesn't like to even mix the food on my plate (lord help me if my mashed potatoes are too close to my steak!), I feel like I probably won't mix vaccines.

I have an incredibly weird brain, is maybe what I'm saying here... :P
Get whatever makes you feel comfortable. In my opinion, there’s nothing weird about that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 20, 2021, 11:59:20 AM
I really wanted a Moderna third shot to go with my first two Pfizers.  I really wanted the 100mcg.  But I went ahead and got Pfizer as my third shot a couple of weeks ago.  And now the third shot will be cut to 50mcg.  So it's not as much of a loss.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 20, 2021, 02:10:34 PM
The FDA officially authorizes booster shots for Moderna and Johnson & Johnson.

The Johnson & Johnson booster was authorized for anyone 18 and over — a broad eligibility criteria reflecting the lower protection of the initial single-shot regimen when compared with other coronavirus vaccines. The Moderna booster, a half-dose of the original shot, was authorized for people 65 and older, or adults at risk of severe illness or complications because of underlying medical conditions or exposure on the job.

That means someone who received the Johnson & Johnson product can get a booster dose with Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech, as long as the person is 18 or older, meeting the criteria to get a booster. And someone who has been fully vaccinated with Moderna could get a booster with Johnson & Johnson or Pfizer, if they are older than 65 or older, or at high risk.

Before more people roll up their sleeves, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will consult an expert panel later this week before finalizing official recommendations for who should get boosters and when.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/20/fda-authorizes-moderna-johnson-and-johnson-vaccines
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 21, 2021, 05:40:27 PM
The CDC has officially signed off on the boosters, the eligible public can get them as soon as tomorrow (Friday).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/21/cdc-moderna-jj-booster-recommendation
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 22, 2021, 12:27:41 PM
Just scheduled my Moderna booster at CVS this weekend.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 22, 2021, 01:39:52 PM
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Just scheduled my Moderna booster at CVS this weekend.

I scheduled it for my dad this morning.  What's up with CVS?  When I scheduled mine a few weeks ago it was super easy, it only took a couple of minutes.  I had to spend 2 hours this morning to schedule dad's.  There were a variety of technical errors and information not available.  The availability also kept changing.  At first today was wide open, later the first available appointment was tomorrow but then it changed back to today being wide open.  When I scheduled mine I didn't need to upload my insurance card, today they wanted front and back picts of dad's.  It was also browser picky.  I lock down my browsers for privacy and security.  In the end, I had to use a fresh install of a browser at default settings(thus wide open) for it to complete the schedule.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 22, 2021, 03:13:27 PM
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I scheduled it for my dad this morning.  What's up with CVS?  When I scheduled mine a few weeks ago it was super easy, it only took a couple of minutes.  I had to spend 2 hours this morning to schedule dad's.  There were a variety of technical errors and information not available.  The availability also kept changing.  At first today was wide open, later the first available appointment was tomorrow but then it changed back to today being wide open.  When I scheduled mine I didn't need to upload my insurance card, today they wanted front and back picts of dad's.  It was also browser picky.  I lock down my browsers for privacy and security.  In the end, I had to use a fresh install of a browser at default settings(thus wide open) for it to complete the schedule.

Mine was easy, they didn’t ask for a photocopy of my insurance card.  However my Chrome browser is known to act unpredictably so it could be an issue with the browser.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 22, 2021, 07:28:06 PM
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Mine was easy, they didn’t ask for a photocopy of my insurance card.  However my Chrome browser is known to act unpredictably so it could be an issue with the browser.

The CVS covid vaccination system is messed up.  The problems continued at the pharmacy.  We made an appointment for a Moderna booster.  The pharmacy we signed up for didn't have any Moderna vaccine.  It's not that they ran out, they never had any to begin with.  They are a Pfizer only pharmacy.  The pharmacist said we weren't the only ones that had that problem.  Why is CVS having people sign up for a Moderna shot at a pharmacy that doesn't offer Moderna shots?  Shouldn't CVS know what it's own pharmacies offer?  I asked if there was another CVS pharmacy that offered Moderna.  The pharmacist said he spoke to a pharmacy manager and they didn't know of any.  I asked how I could find a CVS that offered Moderna.  They suggested I check the website.  Which is how we got where we were.  It's circular.

So we decided a Pfizer in the arm is better than a wild goose hunt for a CVS with Moderna.  I asked if my dad could get a shot of Pfizer instead.  He said that we are allowed to mix and match.  So that's what my dad got.  I rather my dad got 50mcg of Moderna, but it's better to have 30mcg of Pfizer than nothing.

That wasn't the only problem.  Billing was an issue.  Even though we had uploaded photos of his insurance card, we had to go through billing all over again at the pharmacy.  Then we had to fill out the health questionaire again even though we had already filled it out online.  Other than getting a time for an appt, everything we did online seemmed to have been for naught.

So, I would call the CVS you have an appt for tomorrow and see if they really do have any Moderna vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 22, 2021, 07:37:17 PM
Well that sucks.  My mother got her third Moderna dose at a CVS inside a Target store in Westminster in early September.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 22, 2021, 07:38:34 PM
The FDA appears set on Tuesday (October 26) to approve the Pfizer vaccine for children 5-11.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/22/pfizer-children-vaccine-5-to-11
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on October 22, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
given that i had a reaction to the second shot, I'm blocking off between 20 hours and 40 hours for the post jab reaction. As a result i can't get the booster for 10 days due to flying / exams and obligations i can not get out of.

tbh, i don't care which jab i get.
 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 22, 2021, 09:42:45 PM
I anticipate (I hope) it will be like my second shot in which I had to take an entire day after off.  I'll have the Tylonol ready.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 23, 2021, 12:08:42 AM
For my third shot, I had my standard sore arm for a few hours.  That's mechanical since there's a big blob of fluid in my muscle.  The next day, I felt like I was on the verge of a cold.  But I think that was more psychosomatic than anything else.  My temperature never budged from 98.6 the several times I took it.  Then by that night I was over even that.
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Post by: alyssa on October 23, 2021, 07:41:47 AM
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For my third shot, I had my standard sore arm for a few hours.  That's mechanical since there's a big blob of fluid in my muscle.  The next day, I felt like I was on the verge of a cold.  But I think that was more psychosomatic than anything else.  My temperature never budged from 98.6 the several times I took it.  Then by that night I was over even that.

i think i got a temp of 101 but the worst was over in 12 hrs- I just need to be in a situation where i can't infect others and make myself as comfortable as possible
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Post by: chocolateshake on October 23, 2021, 10:23:58 AM
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i think i got a temp of 101 but the worst was over in 12 hrs- I just need to be in a situation where i can't infect others and make myself as comfortable as possible

You wouldn't be infectious.  You wouldn't be sick.  In general, there's no way to catch a disease by getting a jab of the vaccine to prevent that disease.  Particularly in this case.  It's not a weaken live virus or even a dead virus.  A MRNA vaccine is just the code that instructs your own cells to make the spike protein that's on the outside of the virus.  Your body then learns to recognize and neutralize that protein.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 23, 2021, 02:56:47 PM
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So, I would call the CVS you have an appt for tomorrow and see if they really do have any Moderna vaccine.

Just got off the phone with CVS on Baker in Costa Mesa, they say they have plenty of Moderna in stock, so we’ll see.  My appointment is tomorrow.

I should add when I was making my appointment, they say they have all three vaccines available (Moderna, Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on October 24, 2021, 08:42:02 AM
Got my third shot on Friday. My arms felt tingly/itchy, which I associate with hives (I've had hives several times before). I took Benadryl, which stopped the hives at 5 welts on one arm (the shot arm) and 1 welt on the second arm. The next day, no hives but I had a fever, sore arm, and fatigue.

If there are more boosters, I'm afraid they might not give it to me. I'm thinking, maybe I just won't tell them, because they will ask if I've ever had a serious reaction and I can say no (it was very limited). I can take some Benadryl to pre-medicate and switch from Moderna to Pfizer or something else. Pfizer might just be different enough to not cause problems.

Hopefully, they will come up with another type of vaccine (I heard they are working on non-mRNA vaccines). I have a feeling they are not working on Johnson and Johnson boosters for variants, but who knows.
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Post by: chocolateshake on October 24, 2021, 10:22:44 AM
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Hopefully, they will come up with another type of vaccine (I heard they are working on non-mRNA vaccines). I have a feeling they are not working on Johnson and Johnson boosters for variants, but who knows.

There are already a lot of vaccines that aren't mrna.  The 3 vaccines in use in the US are only a fraction of the vaccines being used in the rest of the world.  The two big ones are Sinovac and AZ.  Those two aren't available in the US.  But mrna vaccines have proven to be the most effective and thus they have become the gold standard.  The technology also makes it easy to adapt to variants.  So I think mrna is here to stay at the forefront of vaccines.  You may want to try the other brand of mrna vaccine if there's a next time.  The ingredients are different between the two brands.

The Japanese are working on a broad spectrum coronavirus vaccine.  It's early days but in lab research the technique is effective against SARS 1/2 and MERS among other coronaviruses.

Also, that silver lining I was hoping for last year may actually be a thing.  Since what causes the common cold is a coronavirus, I was hoping that the covid vaccine would offer some immunity against that.  Since having a common cold does offer some immunity against covid.  In the lab, using mice as living test tubes, it has been shown that plasma containing covid antibodies does neutralize a coronavirus that causes the common cold.
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Post by: puppy on October 24, 2021, 10:58:22 AM
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There are already a lot of vaccines that aren't mrna.  The 3 vaccines in use in the US are only a fraction of the vaccines being used in the rest of the world.  The two big ones are Sinovac and AZ.  Those two aren't available in the US.  But mrna vaccines have proven to be the most effective and thus they have become the gold standard.  The technology also makes it easy to adapt to variants.  So I think mrna is here to stay at the forefront of vaccines.  You may want to try the other brand of mrna vaccine if there's a next time.  The ingredients are different between the two brands.

The Japanese are working on a broad spectrum coronavirus vaccine.  It's early days but in lab research the technique is effective against SARS 1/2 and MERS among other coronaviruses.

Also, that silver lining I was hoping for last year may actually be a thing.  Since what causes the common cold is a coronavirus, I was hoping that the covid vaccine would offer some immunity against that.  Since having a common cold does offer some immunity against covid.  In the lab, using mice as living test tubes, it has been shown that plasma containing covid antibodies does neutralize a coronavirus that causes the common cold.

I've heard Novavax beats the mRNA vaccines we have, and it's effective against the variants.
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Post by: chocolateshake on October 24, 2021, 01:29:26 PM
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I've heard Novavax beats the mRNA vaccines we have, and it's effective against the variants.

In what way?  It is easier to make, has less stringent requirements for transport and is thus cheaper.  Which makes it a better fit for much of the world.

In terms of efficacy, they are very close to being the same.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 24, 2021, 03:34:57 PM
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So, I would call the CVS you have an appt for tomorrow and see if they really do have any Moderna vaccine.
All done, just got my Moderna booster.  The CVS on Baker in Costa Mesa had a supply.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on October 24, 2021, 10:57:52 PM
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In what way?  It is easier to make, has less stringent requirements for transport and is thus cheaper.  Which makes it a better fit for much of the world.

In terms of efficacy, they are very close to being the same.

I'm just hoping that whatever comes out as boosters for the variants in the future are not what I am allergic to.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 25, 2021, 12:21:25 PM
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All done, just got my Moderna booster.  The CVS on Baker in Costa Mesa had a supply.

Did they give you 50mcg or 100mcg?  The boost should be 50mcg but I've heard that some people are still getting 100mcg.  I think it's so new that some people doing the jabbing may still be thinking it should be 100mcg.  Also, did you ask them to aspirate?  If you did, did they even know what you were asking for and do it?  I'm curious.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 25, 2021, 12:27:42 PM
Moderna says their vaccine is safe and effective for children 6-11.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-25/moderna-says-covid-shot-for-younger-kids-shows-strong-results

As for myself, I’m feeling weak 24 after the shot, which was to be expected.  I have no headache, chills or fever though.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on October 27, 2021, 12:16:06 PM
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In what way?  It is easier to make, has less stringent requirements for transport and is thus cheaper.  Which makes it a better fit for much of the world.

In terms of efficacy, they are very close to being the same.
I read that the 5-11 Pfizer shot doesn't need any additional freezing than is already standard: easier than the adult vaccines at least were last spring.
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Moderna says their vaccine is safe and effective for children 6-11.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-25/moderna-says-covid-shot-for-younger-kids-shows-strong-results

As for myself, I’m feeling weak 24 after the shot, which was to be expected.  I have no headache, chills or fever though.
A co-worker of mine got the Moderna booster yesterday: scheduled at a CVS that morning for a mid-afternoon appointment.  He said it was incredibly easy, he had zero wait, and they didn't require he wait around 15 mins afterwards like the first two shots did.
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Post by: chocolateshake on October 27, 2021, 02:14:03 PM
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I read that the 5-11 Pfizer shot doesn't need any additional freezing than is already standard: easier than the adult vaccines at least were last spring.

Kind of.  For two weeks it can be kept in a normal freezer.  So at a pharmacy they can keep it in their normal freezer for 2 weeks.  Before that, at a warehouse or during shipping, it still needs to be kept ultra-cold.  It's been this way since late February.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 27, 2021, 03:17:03 PM
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I read that the 5-11 Pfizer shot doesn't need any additional freezing than is already standard: easier than the adult vaccines at least were last spring.A co-worker of mine got the Moderna booster yesterday: scheduled at a CVS that morning for a mid-afternoon appointment.  He said it was incredibly easy, he had zero wait, and they didn't require he wait around 15 mins afterwards like the first two shots did.

At the CVS in Costa Mesa, I had to wait 15 minutes before leaving.

Two days ago, the day after my booster, I was completely out of it.  I was very weak.  At times I thought I had breakthrough covid except I had no scratchy throat or anything like that, just a mild fever.  I partially recovered yesterday well enough to drive to do errands.  I’m completely recovered today.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on October 27, 2021, 03:39:36 PM
I've scheduled my Moderna booster (2nd Moderna shot was 4/21) for next week. I was already taking a week off work for a staycation, so it was good timing. I got my initial shots through my county's health department so for simplicity's sake I'm just getting the booster through them as well. My 2nd shot really kicked me in butt, I'm hoping the half-dose isn't as bad.

I live in a low-vax area so I hope they're so happy to see someone who wants a booster that they don't give me too much hassle about why I'm eligible (I'm in a "MAY get the shot" group, not a "SHOULD get the shot" group). My coworker, who was vaccinated within days of me, just had a breakthrough case earlier this month. I know the vaccine is more about preventing serious cases than about preventing ANY case, but still, I'd like all the protection I can get.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 28, 2021, 12:23:30 AM
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Did they give you 50mcg or 100mcg?  The boost should be 50mcg but I've heard that some people are still getting 100mcg.  I think it's so new that some people doing the jabbing may still be thinking it should be 100mcg.  Also, did you ask them to aspirate?  If you did, did they even know what you were asking for and do it?  I'm curious.

Sorry I missed your question.

Aspirate???  Why would I ask them that???  Is that something you recommend?

Without me asking, he voluntarily told me it would be a half dose.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on October 28, 2021, 12:13:11 PM
Wow the CVS appointment website is nutty: it's almost like playing with a slot machine!  I scheduled appointments first for Nov. 11, then my colleague said he tried a few different times, so I did to and came up with:

* Nov. 11
* Nov. 4
* Nov. 1
* this afternoon

So after several tries, I'm going in a few hours apparently!  They send you a text to confirm you appointment, so if you keep said text, then get another appointment it's easy to cancel.  Other than their seemingly goofy website bouncing around dates, it's an incredibly simple process (have your vaccine date info, and they ask for insurance information; I suspect it could've been easier if I went with "no insurance")
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on October 28, 2021, 07:50:59 PM
Got my Moderna booster at CVS in Target today.  I scheduled on Saturday, and there were lots of options earlier in the week but this worked with my schedule.  Now I wait for the achy arm, etc.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 29, 2021, 12:38:32 AM
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My coworker, who was vaccinated within days of me, just had a breakthrough case earlier this month. I know the vaccine is more about preventing serious cases than about preventing ANY case, but still, I'd like all the protection I can get.

Which is why even though I got my booster, I still wear a mask and avoid crowded areas because I don't want to get sick period.  I live with an 87-year-old mother and I heard even though she had her third shot a month ago, she has just as much chance of dying from Covid-19 as an unhealthy person in the 50-64 age range who ISN'T vaccinated.
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Post by: perc2100 on October 29, 2021, 08:27:12 AM
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At the CVS in Costa Mesa, I had to wait 15 minutes before leaving.

Two days ago, the day after my booster, I was completely out of it.  I was very weak.  At times I thought I had breakthrough covid except I had no scratchy throat or anything like that, just a mild fever.  I partially recovered yesterday well enough to drive to do errands.  I’m completely recovered today.
Yeah, a bit more than 12 hours since my booster shot I'm definitely feeling it.  Achy, going back and forth between hot & cold, feel weak and a bit nauseas.  In hind sight, getting the booster shot 24 hours before our last regular season home football game was not the best idea I came up with.  I was hoping "well, since it's only 1/2 the dose of the first shots, and I only had some fairly mild side effects last time, this should be a cake walk!"  I'm sitting here in my office wondering if I can get away with not leaving my chair for the foreseeable future...
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Post by: alyssa on October 29, 2021, 08:48:23 AM
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Yeah, a bit more than 12 hours since my booster shot I'm definitely feeling it.  Achy, going back and forth between hot & cold, feel weak and a bit nauseas.  In hind sight, getting the booster shot 24 hours before our last regular season home football game was not the best idea I came up with.  I was hoping "well, since it's only 1/2 the dose of the first shots, and I only had some fairly mild side effects last time, this should be a cake walk!"  I'm sitting here in my office wondering if I can get away with not leaving my chair for the foreseeable future...

Yeah, i thought hard about when to get the booster jab & decided to delay until I could clear a day or two for it's impact. My appointment is set for tuesday at noon.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 29, 2021, 12:12:44 PM
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In hind sight, getting the booster shot 24 hours before our last regular season home football game was not the best idea I came up with.  I was hoping "well, since it's only 1/2 the dose of the first shots, and I only had some fairly mild side effects last time, this should be a cake walk!"

I was scheduled to go to a social gathering late Monday afternoon also thinking what you were thinking.  Big mistake.  I did schedule my booster on Sunday because I wanted to be sure I would be well enough by Wednesday morning to see my dermatologist.  Even by Tuesday morning I was still partially weak.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 29, 2021, 12:29:24 PM
The FDA has just authorized the Pfizer vaccine for children 5-11.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/29/fda-approves-vaccine-for-kids
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Post by: chocolateshake on October 29, 2021, 02:18:30 PM
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Which is why even though I got my booster, I still wear a mask and avoid crowded areas because I don't want to get sick period.  I live with an 87-year-old mother and I heard even though she had her third shot a month ago, she has just as much chance of dying from Covid-19 as an unhealthy person in the 50-64 age range who ISN'T vaccinated.

Smart.  I also still wear a mask.  Other than no longer washing perishable groceries with soap, I just rinse now.  My routine hasn't changed since before being vaccinated.

The great UK experiment relying solely on vaccinations and dropping all other protocols like masking isn't going well.  Since they did that in July, their cases have taken a upturn back towards the Delta surge highs after having a dramatic dropoff.  In the UK 90% of the population has covid antibodies.  Either through vaccination or natural infection.  On the continent, Germany and France, where they have kept up masking.  There has been no upturn in cases.

I've notice here in San Diego, the number of infections has been creeping back up.  We bottomed out at 1-1.5%.  Now we are closing in on 3% again.

Vaccination alone is not enough.  We used to say this.  In the UK public health is starting to say this again.  We need to keep the other measures in addition to vaccination.
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 29, 2021, 02:24:24 PM
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The great UK experiment relying solely on vaccinations and dropping all other protocols like masking isn't going well.  Since they did that in July, their cases have taken a upturn back towards the Delta surge highs after having a dramatic dropoff.  In the UK 90% of the population has covid antibodies.  Either through vaccination or natural infection.  On the continent, Germany and France, where they have kept up masking.  There has been no upturn in cases.

Even though the U.K. has a per capita number of cases three times higher than the U.S., their deaths per capita are still lower than the U.S.  Of course they still need to bring back their safety protocols to bring their cases down.
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Post by: chocolateshake on October 29, 2021, 02:44:17 PM
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Sorry I missed your question.

Aspirate???  Why would I ask them that???  Is that something you recommend?

Without me asking, he voluntarily told me it would be a half dose.

You know that super rare heart inflammation issue with the mrna vaccines.  It turns out in mice, it only happens if the mrna vaccine is given IV and not IM.  As in as long as the vaccine is delivered IM, there is no heart inflammation.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/

So what could be causing that in people, is that the needle is being inserted into a blood vessel during the jab.  Aspiration is a technique to ensure that doesn't happen.  It used to be more common.  You see people doing it in old vaccination videos.  It's where they pull back on the plunger after inserting the needle.  There should be no blood.  If there is, then it's in a blood vessel.

Aspiration has fallen out of favor.  Public health in the US doesn't recommend it for vaccinations.  A big reason is that it takes longer and thus can cause more pain.  People are already needle phobic.  The goal is to get in, push the plunger and get out as fast as possible.  It's argued that hitting a blood vessel is rare where IM injections are given.  It's argued that those blood vessels tend to be small and thus will be blown out by the injection.  All that is true.  So it's super rare that an IM injection turns into an IV injection.  But so are cases of heart inflammation after a mrna vaccination.  Which begs the question, if it's so rare as to not be worth checking for, then why is it enough of a concern to warrant pausing mrna vaccinations?

So it's not a big deal.  I was just curious.  From what I've heard, even if you asked the chances of it happening aren't good at all.  Even if they know what you are asking for, people tend to follow what public health recommends.  In the US, they don't recommend it.  It's just not in the US, the WHO doesn't recommend it either.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 29, 2021, 06:31:47 PM
Interesting.  Well, I got mine in the left deltoid.
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Post by: puppy on October 29, 2021, 09:33:40 PM
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You know that super rare heart inflammation issue with the mrna vaccines.  It turns out in mice, it only happens if the mrna vaccine is given IV and not IM.  As in as long as the vaccine is delivered IM, there is no heart inflammation.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34406358/

So what could be causing that in people, is that the needle is being inserted into a blood vessel during the jab.  Aspiration is a technique to ensure that doesn't happen.  It used to be more common.  You see people doing it in old vaccination videos.  It's where they pull back on the plunger after inserting the needle.  There should be no blood.  If there is, then it's in a blood vessel.

Aspiration has fallen out of favor.  Public health in the US doesn't recommend it for vaccinations.  A big reason is that it takes longer and thus can cause more pain.  People are already needle phobic.  The goal is to get in, push the plunger and get out as fast as possible.  It's argued that hitting a blood vessel is rare where IM injections are given.  It's argued that those blood vessels tend to be small and thus will be blown out by the injection.  All that is true.  So it's super rare that an IM injection turns into an IV injection.  But so are cases of heart inflammation after a mrna vaccination.  Which begs the question, if it's so rare as to not be worth checking for, then why is it enough of a concern to warrant pausing mrna vaccinations?

So it's not a big deal.  I was just curious.  From what I've heard, even if you asked the chances of it happening aren't good at all.  Even if they know what you are asking for, people tend to follow what public health recommends.  In the US, they don't recommend it.  It's just not in the US, the WHO doesn't recommend it either.

People will do it the way they are taught. I don't think they will aspirate if you ask them to because they weren't taught that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on October 29, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
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Smart.  I also still wear a mask.  Other than no longer washing perishable groceries with soap, I just rinse now.  My routine hasn't changed since before being vaccinated.

The great UK experiment relying solely on vaccinations and dropping all other protocols like masking isn't going well.  Since they did that in July, their cases have taken a upturn back towards the Delta surge highs after having a dramatic dropoff.  In the UK 90% of the population has covid antibodies.  Either through vaccination or natural infection.  On the continent, Germany and France, where they have kept up masking.  There has been no upturn in cases.

I've notice here in San Diego, the number of infections has been creeping back up.  We bottomed out at 1-1.5%.  Now we are closing in on 3% again.

Vaccination alone is not enough.  We used to say this.  In the UK public health is starting to say this again.  We need to keep the other measures in addition to vaccination.

I really dislike it when people argue for getting rid of masks and vaccination mandates because the numbers are down. The numbers are down because of those measures. Time and again, they've gone up when we relaxed our guard.

I don't think we need to keep this up indefinitely, but people need a little more patience to ensure that our numbers really are down, so we can stop this yo-yo-ing. It's really not hard to vaccinate and wear a mask.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on October 30, 2021, 01:02:38 PM
CNN has done an analysis and has determined that "at least 89%" of vaccinated US adults qualify for a booster under the current requirements.  Weight alone covers a lot of people.  According to CNN, 75% of adults over 20 are overweight.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/29/health/booster-eligibility-analysis/index.html

All this makes it even more baffling that the advisory panels didn't recommend boosters for all.  Since what ended up happening, is effectively that.  Again, we are making things much more confusing than they should be.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on October 30, 2021, 07:01:12 PM
I checked out two CVS stores on University Ave. in Normal Heights in San Diego.  The stand-alone store has Pfizer and they have tons of appointment slots starting tomorrow (Sunday, Oct. 31).  The one in the Target store gives out Moderna and next week they are all booked.  They only have one slot a week from today (Saturday November 6), a few slots a week from tomorrow (Sunday November 7) and plenty of appointment slots starting a week from next Monday, November 8.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 01, 2021, 08:31:45 AM
Thought that'd I'd give a quick update post-Booster shot.
I went in a little early and the place was REALLY busy: not just w/COVID boosters and vaccination shots, but several folks also getting seasonal flu shots.  From my observation, at the time I went in, there was one pharmacist administering shots; there were several other employees behind the counter checking people in and prepping to make the pharmacist's job slightly easier.  Essentially there was one dude running around jabbing everyone!  I was warned when I checked in they were busy and running a little behind, but I didn't have a tight schedule so it wasn't a big deal.  I ended up getting called around 5:05, and the actual shot was of course incredibly short: the pharmacist was great, and professional, and I had zero problems other than I kinda felt bad for the guy who was doing awesome in a hectic environment!

I get the shot, hang out for 15 mins, and then went on my way.  My arm was a little tender from the shot, but I felt relatively normal and didn't have any issues the rest of the night.  The next morning, more than 12 hrs after the shot, I was feeling pretty funky: achy all over, really tired and sleepy, felt a little winded doing simple things (like walking to my car from my condo), and feeling nauseous.  After my 2nd regular shot in the spring, I felt similar the next day and just crashed on my couch: I didn't eat anything, didn't drink nearly enough, and ended up puking a few times.  While I had hoped I wouldn't have any big issues since this was only half the dosage of the regular vaccine, I had pretty much the same reaction: only problem was I had to go to work and had a football game/halftime performance to deal with.  So I decided to be proactive  and bulk up on water, eat more food in the morning than I typically would, etc.

So while I typically drink 2.5 full cups of espresso to start my mornings, then move on to water, the day after my booster I drank a full large bottle of water first, waiting on the espresso until around 8:30/8:40ish am (roughly 2 hours into my day).  I also ate a hardboiled egg & some carrots around 9:30 (I typically don't eat anything until between 12:30-1:30pm).  When I got home early afternoon I drank some Gatorade.  All of this helped me at least not puke, and I had peaks and valleys of nausea: I'd feel OK-but-really tired for a few hours, then nauseous so I'd drink more Gatorade, maybe eat some benign snack, etc.  My experience was much better w/this booster than w/the 2nd vaccine shot, but it was still a bit rough.  I think if I didn't have the added issues of a high school marching band/football game in the mix it would've been a much more laid back experience (add "took my 7 year old trick r treating before the football game" into that mix).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on November 01, 2021, 10:20:21 AM
Thanks for the update, @perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380) .

My update:  Got the shot on Thursday at 4pm at the CVS inside Target (and the $5 off coupon they give you is good at Target, much better than CVS for me!).  My husband went then, too.  There was no wait and no one else there, but a guy did arrive to check in as we were leaving after our 15 minutes.  I didn't sleep well AT ALL that night but felt okay in the morning.  Later in the day I got a headache and body aches, but that was the extent of it.  On Saturday I was okay in the morning but got a headache later in the day.  It was a much better experience than after shot #2.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on November 01, 2021, 10:40:12 AM
I was originally going to get my booster on 11/3, but I ended up getting it on 10/30

I got the shot around 3:20pm. By the evening I had a sore arm, but no other symptoms. Ended up staying up until 3am watching horror movies, so obviously no fatigue either. I hit the 24 hour mark on Sunday and thought I was going to get off easy.

Nope. Around 6pm the nausea hit. I was also really light-headed. Like Perc, I was getting winded doing normal things like folding towels and putting dishes away. I drank a lot of water, went to bed around 11pm, slept for 12 hours, and woke up feeling like my normal self.

So the booster wasn't as bad as shot 2, but the amount of time between the jab and and side effects was a lot longer (27 hours compared to about 18 hours)

My arm is still sore if I touch the injection site, but it doesn't hurt to move it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 01, 2021, 10:41:17 AM
thx for the listing of reactions to the booster jab.
My booster jab is at 12:30- I'll set up 'sick food' just in case.  I'm hoping to sleep through most yucky reactions ;)  <--- my preferred method of dealing with feeling yucky.

I'll do a comparison between shot 2 & boster once i'm through the worst of it
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 01, 2021, 11:21:48 AM
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thx for the listing of reactions to the booster jab.
My booster jab is at 12:30- I'll set up 'sick food' just in case.  I'm hoping to sleep through most yucky reactions ;)  <--- my preferred method of dealing with feeling yucky.

I'll do a comparison between shot 2 & boster once i'm through the worst of it

Good luck!  For me Gatorade + benign foods (nothing too salty or sugary or caffeinated) helped curb most of the worst side effects.  My side effects were slightly milder than my 2nd shot, and I'm pretty confident food + water/Gatorade helped that!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on November 01, 2021, 12:18:17 PM
My Pfizer booster was the same as shots 1 and 2,  just a sore arm for a couple of days.
In and out of my local pharmacy ( not a chain) in 7 minutes.  I asked why I didn't have to sit for 15 minutes and
the technician said it wasn't necessary because I had no previous reaction to the Pfizer vaccine.
Did anyone else not have to wait for 15 minutes after?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 01, 2021, 01:15:48 PM
My pharmacist asked me to wait even though it was my third shot of Pfizer.  That was weeks ago.  The same pharmacists ask my dad to wait and said it was because he never got a Pfizer shot before, his first two were Moderna.  I noticed he didn't ask anyone else to wait.  They just left when they were done.

I think the people who get side effects are lucky.  At least they get confirmation that they got something.  I never get any real side effects.  I just get a sore arm for a few hours.  For all I know, I just got a shot of water.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 01, 2021, 02:40:07 PM
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My Pfizer booster was the same as shots 1 and 2,  just a sore arm for a couple of days.
In and out of my local pharmacy ( not a chain) in 7 minutes.  I asked why I didn't have to sit for 15 minutes and
the technician said it wasn't necessary because I had no previous reaction to the Pfizer vaccine.
Did anyone else not have to wait for 15 minutes after?

I got 2 moderna's and a booster phizer. I was asked to wait 15 because they didn't know how i'd react.

in general they're curious about how the folks who are mixing & matching, reactions.

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Good luck!  For me Gatorade + benign foods (nothing too salty or sugary or caffeinated) helped curb most of the worst side effects.  My side effects were slightly milder than my 2nd shot, and I'm pretty confident food + water/Gatorade helped that!
I'm making up a mess of greens (collard greens with bacon & beans) for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 01, 2021, 04:04:14 PM
The FDA is delaying a decision on authorizing Moderna for adolescents 12-17 until January.  Three countries, Japan, Finland and Sweden, have raised concerns that the vaccine may increase myocarditis risk among young adults between 18-30.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/10/31/moderna-vaccine-adolescents-children-delayed
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 02, 2021, 10:41:14 AM
reports from cross type boster jab a day after.

I got the first two moderna & got the pfizer boster.

22 hr's post boster jab. 1 degree temp, sore arm and headache.

I do not remember a headache with the moderna jabs. The sore arm and fever track to the moderna tho.

the headache is akin to a sinus headache-
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 02, 2021, 05:08:49 PM
The CDC just signed off on authorizing Pfizer to children 5-11.  They could start going out possibly as soon as tomorrow (Wednesday Nov. 3).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/02/cdc-advisers-recommend-pfizer-biontech-childrens-vacccine
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 02, 2021, 05:53:10 PM
over all, the pfizer boster was easier then the second moderna

I did have a big pot of soup to eat on this time tho  ;) So my liquids were up
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 02, 2021, 11:45:55 PM
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reports from cross type boster jab a day after.

I got the first two moderna & got the pfizer boster.

22 hr's post boster jab. 1 degree temp, sore arm and headache.

I do not remember a headache with the moderna jabs. The sore arm and fever track to the moderna tho.

the headache is akin to a sinus headache-

So I guess regardless of what vaccine you get, you will always have side effects.   Not like getting a flu shot.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 03, 2021, 12:02:03 AM
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Thought that'd I'd give a quick update post-Booster shot.
I went in a little early and the place was REALLY busy: not just w/COVID boosters and vaccination shots, but several folks also getting seasonal flu shots.  From my observation, at the time I went in, there was one pharmacist administering shots; there were several other employees behind the counter checking people in and prepping to make the pharmacist's job slightly easier.  Essentially there was one dude running around jabbing everyone!  I was warned when I checked in they were busy and running a little behind, but I didn't have a tight schedule so it wasn't a big deal.  I ended up getting called around 5:05, and the actual shot was of course incredibly short: the pharmacist was great, and professional, and I had zero problems other than I kinda felt bad for the guy who was doing awesome in a hectic environment!

I get the shot, hang out for 15 mins, and then went on my way.  My arm was a little tender from the shot, but I felt relatively normal and didn't have any issues the rest of the night.  The next morning, more than 12 hrs after the shot, I was feeling pretty funky: achy all over, really tired and sleepy, felt a little winded doing simple things (like walking to my car from my condo), and feeling nauseous.  After my 2nd regular shot in the spring, I felt similar the next day and just crashed on my couch: I didn't eat anything, didn't drink nearly enough, and ended up puking a few times.  While I had hoped I wouldn't have any big issues since this was only half the dosage of the regular vaccine, I had pretty much the same reaction: only problem was I had to go to work and had a football game/halftime performance to deal with.  So I decided to be proactive  and bulk up on water, eat more food in the morning than I typically would, etc.

So while I typically drink 2.5 full cups of espresso to start my mornings, then move on to water, the day after my booster I drank a full large bottle of water first, waiting on the espresso until around 8:30/8:40ish am (roughly 2 hours into my day).  I also ate a hardboiled egg & some carrots around 9:30 (I typically don't eat anything until between 12:30-1:30pm).  When I got home early afternoon I drank some Gatorade.  All of this helped me at least not puke, and I had peaks and valleys of nausea: I'd feel OK-but-really tired for a few hours, then nauseous so I'd drink more Gatorade, maybe eat some benign snack, etc.  My experience was much better w/this booster than w/the 2nd vaccine shot, but it was still a bit rough.  I think if I didn't have the added issues of a high school marching band/football game in the mix it would've been a much more laid back experience (add "took my 7 year old trick r treating before the football game" into that mix).

Sorry about your puking experience.  I only know my HOA’s property manager who also vomited.  No one in my family had it that rough, although it hit my sister-in-law pretty hard.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 03, 2021, 12:04:28 AM
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Thanks for the update, @perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380) .

My update:  Got the shot on Thursday at 4pm at the CVS inside Target (and the $5 off coupon they give you is good at Target, much better than CVS for me!).  My husband went then, too.  There was no wait and no one else there, but a guy did arrive to check in as we were leaving after our 15 minutes.  I didn't sleep well AT ALL that night but felt okay in the morning.  Later in the day I got a headache and body aches, but that was the extent of it.  On Saturday I was okay in the morning but got a headache later in the day.  It was a much better experience than after shot #2.

I too slept miserably the overnight after the vaccine.  I had about a dozen brief sleep periods that night before waking up right away.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 04, 2021, 07:15:50 AM
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The CDC just signed off on authorizing Pfizer to children 5-11.  They could start going out possibly as soon as tomorrow (Wednesday Nov. 3).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/02/cdc-advisers-recommend-pfizer-biontech-childrens-vacccine
Yes!  And Wed. (really early) morning my healthcare provider sent an email with an easy way to sign my 7 year old up for his first shot: INCREDIBLY smooth/easy process!  When it was announced that the vaccine was authorized, mentally I went into "Comic-Con Mode" where I was prepared to scour the internet and wait for the quickest appointment I could get.  It was such a pleasant surprise to see how on top of it my healthcare provider was: literally woke up, saw the email was sent at, like, 3am, and made the appointment before I even brewed my first cup of espresso (note: I typically do _nothing_ before making my morning espresso  :P ).  When my kid woke up and we gave him the news, it was cute how excited he was: likely the first and last time he was celebrating getting a shot!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 04, 2021, 07:41:22 AM
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..... made the appointment before I even brewed my first cup of espresso (note: I typically do _nothing_ before making my morning espresso  :P ).  When my kid woke up and we gave him the news, it was cute how excited he was: likely the first and last time he was celebrating getting a shot!

my espresso machine broke yesterday. Fixing it became priority #1 yesterday, spent the afternoon & tore it apart, ordered the faulty part, it arrives on Sat.
back on topic,
i was surprised how smooth the roll out has been for the booster & now the kiddo jab.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 04, 2021, 08:44:41 AM
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my espresso machine broke yesterday. Fixing it became priority #1 yesterday, spent the afternoon & tore it apart, ordered the faulty part, it arrives on Sat.
back on topic,
i was surprised how smooth the roll out has been for the booster & now the kiddo jab.
Yeah our first espresso machine crapped out on us at the start of the school year (the milk frothing component, which is a necessity for my wife).  We kind of splurged and got a nicer machine (after I had major sticker shock that an upper-middle machine = thousands of dollars) and while I'm no cook I can say this espresso machine is the best appliance I've ever owned!!

It has been really nice how smooth the booster & kid vaccine roll-out seems.  A local school in SD County purchased thousands of vaccines to administer on-site to make it as easy as possible, and I sincerely hope other districts do similar.  My dad told me when he got the polio vaccine they did it at his school during the school day: they just had something like a school assembly where doctors and nurses just lined 'em up and jabbed em!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on November 04, 2021, 02:02:08 PM
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Yeah our first espresso machine crapped out on us at the start of the school year (the milk frothing component, which is a necessity for my wife).  We kind of splurged and got a nicer machine (after I had major sticker shock that an upper-middle machine = thousands of dollars) and while I'm no cook I can say this espresso machine is the best appliance I've ever owned!!

It has been really nice how smooth the booster & kid vaccine roll-out seems.  A local school in SD County purchased thousands of vaccines to administer on-site to make it as easy as possible, and I sincerely hope other districts do similar.  My dad told me when he got the polio vaccine they did it at his school during the school day: they just had something like a school assembly where doctors and nurses just lined 'em up and jabbed em!
yeah, i invested in an expensive machine around '10- best decision ever. My ex was fond of justifying an expensive toy with 'It's the last bike/XXX I'll ever own'. yeah, you better believe i used that when the machine was bought.

And the expensive machines, are fixable. I've got a Miss Silvia, just a single boiler but i can still get parts for it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on November 07, 2021, 09:58:41 PM
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So I guess regardless of what vaccine you get, you will always have side effects.   Not like getting a flu shot.

Although I had side effects, my husband did not, so I would not say that it's true the "you will always have side effects."

I tend to get side effects from vaccines, though, so it was not unexpected. When I was younger, vaccines were no problem. Now, I always at least get a fever.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on November 08, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
There is a rumor going around that Gavin Newsom has had bad side effects from his booster. The facts are that he got his booster shot on October 27 and hasn't been seen in public since, and had to cancel his appearance at the Climate Conference in Scotland. The potential connection between these two is supposition.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on November 08, 2021, 09:23:45 AM
Random story:  I got taunted yesterday for wearing a mask.  I was sitting at a stoplight with my mask on and the guy next to me honked a couple of times.  When I looked over he made a funny face and made gestures to his face with his hand where a mask would be if he was wearing one.

Love this brave new world we are in.  <--Sarcasm
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 08, 2021, 04:15:09 PM
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Although I had side effects, my husband did not, so I would not say that it's true the "you will always have side effects."

I tend to get side effects from vaccines, though, so it was not unexpected. When I was younger, vaccines were no problem. Now, I always at least get a fever.
My wife got her booster shot last Friday Nov. 5 late afternoon.  She got the Pfizer shots + booster, and thus went to a different CVS pharmacy than I did to get Moderna.  She had very minimal side effects: sore arm, mild sleepiness.  In fact, the day after her booster shot she went to a 60 min kickboxing class in the late morning, and a 90 min karate class in the early afternoon.  She made me look like a total sissy is what I'm getting at  :P
I think she said that these effects were pretty similar to her 2nd Pfizer shot, FWIW.

So while I'm not surprised my wife didn't seem too impacted by the vaccine booster (FWIW she also gave birth to both of our kids w/zero pain killer drugs and is generally a bad ass), I am happy to report her contrast to my mild nausea and feelings of exhaustion roughly 12 hours my booster shot, lasting for a total of about 16 hours before I was fine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 08, 2021, 04:17:21 PM
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Random story:  I got taunted yesterday for wearing a mask.  I was sitting at a stoplight with my mask on and the guy next to me honked a couple of times.  When I looked over he made a funny face and made gestures to his face with his hand where a mask would be if he was wearing one.

Love this brave new world we are in.  <--Sarcasm
I hate that stuff, and I've been taunted a few times over the last 20 or so months of the pandemic for simply wearing a mask in public.  To be honest, I can't imagine not wearing a mask on an airplane, public transportation, public bathroom, etc. forever at this point.  Heck, being a HS teacher, I only half-jokingly told one of my students who asked why I was wearing a mask outside during marching band practice "you know how funky HS boys smell?!"  I have noticed wearing a mask during marching band season has been MUCH more enjoyable smell-wise than in the past billion years of me not having to wear a mask!  :P :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 09, 2021, 02:23:05 AM
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Random story:  I got taunted yesterday for wearing a mask.  I was sitting at a stoplight with my mask on and the guy next to me honked a couple of times.  When I looked over he made a funny face and made gestures to his face with his hand where a mask would be if he was wearing one.

Love this brave new world we are in.  <--Sarcasm

I got taunted tonight for only wearing one mask.  I'm being serious.  So was the person taunting me.  I said I was already wearing a mask, a pretty good mask at that.  She said it wasn't the approved mask for the facility.  Policy.  So she made me put on a flimsy level 1 procedure mask over my KN95.  It was said to be clean.  I said it was dirty since she touched it with her bare hands.  So all it did was dirty my clean mask.  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 09, 2021, 02:33:07 AM
I've been cynical about the official covid numbers.  It's widely considered to be an under count.  If they are accurate, then why are some hospitals still under diversion?  Why do cemeteries still have weeks of back log?  Why are casket companies low on stock?  This is all in relatively low prevalence San Diego. The official numbers don't justify any of that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 09, 2021, 08:22:28 AM
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There is a rumor going around that Gavin Newsom has had bad side effects from his booster. The facts are that he got his booster shot on October 27 and hasn't been seen in public since, and had to cancel his appearance at the Climate Conference in Scotland. The potential connection between these two is supposition.
Ha; he was at a wedding in San Francisco Saturday (that Pelosi officiated).  I think people 'see what they want to see,' so to speak; I get Newsom hasn't exactly helped quell that dopey gossip by not jumping out in front publicly, though.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 11, 2021, 04:39:58 PM
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Random story:  I got taunted yesterday for wearing a mask.  I was sitting at a stoplight with my mask on and the guy next to me honked a couple of times.  When I looked over he made a funny face and made gestures to his face with his hand where a mask would be if he was wearing one.

Love this brave new world we are in.  <--Sarcasm

His life must be miserable for him to do all that.  He must emotionally be at the end of his rope.  It's a reminder I need to get my windows tinted.  I have no privacy in the car I'm driving now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on November 11, 2021, 08:26:52 PM
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His life must be miserable for him to do all that.  He must emotionally be at the end of his rope.  It's a reminder I need to get my windows tinted.  I have no privacy in the car I'm driving now.

Thanks.  Yeah, it's bugged me quite a bit as I was minding my own business not even looking at him and he went out of his way to do that.

It's a very ugly trend of behavior right now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 12, 2021, 10:27:08 AM
My 7 year old got his 1st vaccination shot yesterday (and then immediately to the movie theater to see ETERNALS!).  He's a bit sluggish, with a sore arm, but seems mostly OK.  He was great at the health clinic, and the nurse that administered the shot was GREAT!  At our healthcare provider where he got the shot, they do adults from open-2:30; then kids from 2:45-close.  He had a 2:45 appointment, and things were a bit frantic so his appointment was delayed a bit in the time transition.
So with different doses going to kids than teens-adult, be aware that vaccine administers likely doing both vaccines may have similar scheduling; I dunno if it's better to schedule a later appointment rather than an earlier one.  Also since these are relatively new to sites, they're obviously still kind of working out the kinks/details of it all.

Anyway, mostly great experience and so far/so good for the youngling.  If he's in a radically different place when I pick him up later this afternoon (ie if he has to go home w/a fever, gets really drowsy, etc) I'll update.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 12, 2021, 03:09:35 PM
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It's a very ugly trend of behavior right now.

It's been trending this way for years.  People used to never consider behaving in person like they do online.  Now that line is gone.  The way some people behave in person is the same as how they are online.  The last few years made unacceptable behavior acceptable.  It'll take a long time to reverse that, if ever.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 12, 2021, 08:16:02 PM
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Thanks.  Yeah, it's bugged me quite a bit as I was minding my own business not even looking at him and he went out of his way to do that.

It's a very ugly trend of behavior right now.

Chris I’ve been meaning to ask you.  I belong to a Facebook group that promotes covid safeguards (masks and vaccines).  Is it OK if I can share your story provided I keep you anonymous and not reveal what website I got your story from?  I would just refer to you as “someone that I know.”
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 12, 2021, 08:31:53 PM
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It's been trending this way for years.  People used to never consider behaving in person like they do online.  Now that line is gone.  The way some people behave in person is the same as how they are online.  The last few years made unacceptable behavior acceptable.  It'll take a long time to reverse that, if ever.

On both YouTube and TikTok, there is a myriad of videos showing people in their worst behavior.  It’s either men in road rage situations or women demanding to speak to the manager when they are told to put on a mask. There is a handle on Instagram called ochoods that has videos recorded in Orange County and Los Angeles of people involved in fistfights in public places like Knotts Berry Farm or Disneyland.  The point is this is a reflection of what you are saying with regard to bad online behavior being transferred to real life offline behavior.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on November 13, 2021, 05:20:39 PM
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Chris I’ve been meaning to ask you.  I belong to a Facebook group that promotes covid safeguards (masks and vaccines).  Is it OK if I can share your story provided I keep you anonymous and not reveal what website I got your story from?  I would just refer to you as “someone that I know.”

Sure.  The main point to stress was that I was sitting at a stoplight staring forward waiting for it to turn green and he honked 4-5 times to get me to look sideways to make the mocking gesture.

I could understand if i was confronting him about not wearing a mask, but i was literally sitting there minding my own business and he made it a point to get my attention.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 13, 2021, 06:34:48 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 15, 2021, 07:49:04 AM
7 year old vaccination shot #1 update: EZPZ

Besides a slightly sore arm the next day, my kid had zero issues.  It seems his grogginess the morning after was just a "he slept in a little too long" and nothing more; he was indeed a bundle of energy all weekend long (and unfortunately for my wife and I he absolutely did NOT sleep in Saturday or Sunday  :-[ ).

So at worst he took the first dose same as me: minor soreness and nothing else.  At best he wasn't as big of a wimp as maybe I was  :-\
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 16, 2021, 09:26:42 AM
It looks like we are heading into a Winter Surge.  Europe tends to lead us and countries there have started reinstating restrictions.  Germany has more active covid cases now than they have ever had.

Here in San Diego, we are closing in on 4% positivity again.  That's 3-4x higher than it was just a few weeks ago.  California is once again a high transmission zone.  I hate that we keep see sawing.  We declare it's over, again, and drop measures, again.  I noticed a couple of weeks ago that a lot of employees at places I visit stopped wearing masks, again.  Then the number of cases shoot up, again.  Why can't we stay focused?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 16, 2021, 11:02:56 AM
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It looks like we are heading into a Winter Surge.  Europe tends to lead us and countries there have started reinstating restrictions.  Germany has more active covid cases now than they have ever had.

Here in San Diego, we are closing in on 4% positivity again.  That's 3-4x higher than it was just a few weeks ago.  California is once again a high transmission zone.  I hate that we keep see sawing.  We declare it's over, again, and drop measures, again.  I noticed a couple of weeks ago that a lot of employees at places I visit stopped wearing masks, again.  Then the number of cases shoot up, again.  Why can't we stay focused?
I've noticed that too; places that always had employees wearing masks all along suddenly have most not wearing masks.  It's like humanity is so myopically dopey that we can only focus in-the-moment.  Like, we see "things are good: we're back to normal baby!" and we rush to get rid of masks in public, quick social distancing, etc.  It's like the stupid never-ending cycle of ignoring logic and reason.

I mean, couple that with a not-insignificant population of people who are all "no to vaccines!" "But also no to facemasks and social distancing; in fact, no to everything, lets continue to pretend everything is fine until I end up on a ventilator in an ICU!"  My perception of what regular folks would and would not do in a horror movie has been 100% blown out of the water experiencing life in a pandemic.  I dunno which archetype I would fall into in a horror movie, but I've definitely seen the gamut of "guy who doesn't believe in zombies but quickly gets eaten by zombie," "lady who hides the zombie bite from her colleagues," "group that makes the epically confounding decision of ignoring reason and investigating the shady place/people/whatever that ultimately leads to their demise."
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on November 16, 2021, 11:43:02 AM
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I've noticed that too; places that always had employees wearing masks all along suddenly have most not wearing masks.  It's like humanity is so myopically dopey that we can only focus in-the-moment.  Like, we see "things are good: we're back to normal baby!" and we rush to get rid of masks in public, quick social distancing, etc.  It's like the stupid never-ending cycle of ignoring logic and reason.

I mean, couple that with a not-insignificant population of people who are all "no to vaccines!" "But also no to facemasks and social distancing; in fact, no to everything, lets continue to pretend everything is fine until I end up on a ventilator in an ICU!"  My perception of what regular folks would and would not do in a horror movie has been 100% blown out of the water experiencing life in a pandemic.  I dunno which archetype I would fall into in a horror movie, but I've definitely seen the gamut of "guy who doesn't believe in zombies but quickly gets eaten by zombie," "lady who hides the zombie bite from her colleagues," "group that makes the epically confounding decision of ignoring reason and investigating the shady place/people/whatever that ultimately leads to their demise."

"It's working; let's stop doing what's working." Whatever happened to "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"?

They need to stay the course. We're not out of the woods.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on November 16, 2021, 11:44:35 AM
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I noticed a couple of weeks ago that a lot of employees at places I visit stopped wearing masks, again.  Then the number of cases shoot up, again.  Why can't we stay focused?

I mean, a lot of it is because staying 'focused' on COVID-prevention measures just kind of sucks. I'm all for protecting people: got my vaccine ASAP, getting my booster Thursday, wear a mask 100% of the time in indoor public spaces and sometimes in outdoor ones if they're crowded. And in general I don't complain about it bc I understand why it needs to be that way. But wearing a mask for 7+ hours in the office is getting really old. I hate wearing a mask in hard fitness classes. I miss seeing friends in close quarters and hugging without thinking about it. I miss going dancing! I miss crowds and casual touch and just NOT THINKING ABOUT GETTING SICK for more than 5 minutes at a time.

I'm not giving up on protective measures bc I know they're still necessary. But I understand why people start to falter.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on November 16, 2021, 11:49:16 AM
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I mean, a lot of it is because staying 'focused' on COVID-prevention measures just kind of sucks. I'm all for protecting people: got my vaccine ASAP, getting my booster Thursday, wear a mask 100% of the time in indoor public spaces and sometimes in outdoor ones if they're crowded. And in general I don't complain about it bc I understand why it needs to be that way. But wearing a mask for 7+ hours in the office is getting really old. I hate wearing a mask in hard fitness classes. I miss seeing friends in close quarters and hugging without thinking about it. I miss going dancing! I miss crowds and casual touch and just NOT THINKING ABOUT GETTING SICK for more than 5 minutes at a time.

I'm not giving up on protective measures bc I know they're still necessary. But I understand why people start to falter.

If I said I like wearing masks, I'd be lying. No one wants to wear a mask all day. However, we do what we have to do. It's not gonna kill me. In fact, it might save me.

Right now, I'm trying to see the bright side of things. Masks keep the sun off my face and save me from wrinkles and skin cancer. They keep my face warm when it's cold outside. They let me yawn if I feel like it and I can mouth expletives without anyone knowing. And, if I fail to brush my teeth, only I have to smell my own breath.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on November 16, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
Boostered as of today.  If I don't start walking up walls and having the proportional strength of a spider by tomorrow I will be *highly* disappointed...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on November 16, 2021, 12:49:36 PM
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I noticed a couple of weeks ago that a lot of employees at places I visit stopped wearing masks, again.  Then the number of cases shoot up, again. Why can't we stay focused?
Easy, pandemic fatigue and poor messaging continues to harm the fight. Plus, there will never be a zero COVID-19 world. There is nothing we or anyone else can do about it. Now, the tools are there to fight the virus, but do what you can control and continue living. For example, I went to Disneyland twice last month, and I felt safe going on the rides and eating near people. Common sense is all you need.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on November 16, 2021, 01:32:21 PM
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Easy, pandemic fatigue and poor messaging continues to harm the fight. Plus, there will never be a zero COVID-19 world. There is nothing we or anyone else can do about it. Now, the tools are there to fight the virus, but do what you can control and continue living. For example, I went to Disneyland twice last month, and I felt safe going on the rides and eating near people. Common sense is all you need.

We can't make it zero COVID, but we can do a lot to mitigate it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on November 16, 2021, 03:03:07 PM
Here's how I have framed covid in my mind.  Hope this helps someone else.

We're tired and covid is the enemy.  But this enemy is like The Terminator.  It doesn't get hungry or tired or feel pity or remorse so we have to stay strong.  So come with me if you want to live.

Hope this nerdy analogy helps. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 16, 2021, 03:50:17 PM
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Easy, pandemic fatigue and poor messaging continues to harm the fight. Plus, there will never be a zero COVID-19 world. There is nothing we or anyone else can do about it. Now, the tools are there to fight the virus, but do what you can control and continue living. For example, I went to Disneyland twice last month, and I felt safe going on the rides and eating near people. Common sense is all you need.

I absolutely agree about the poor messaging.  As for fatigue, it's been this way in the US since the start.  It's not fatigue, it's apathy.  As I said almost two years ago, we didn't really lock down.  Where I live, it just seemed like a pretty normal weekend day.  There's a reason we are number one in terms of cases and deaths.  The countries that took it seriously from the start, have been successful.  They had low cases, low deaths and were able to pretty much live the last couple of years normally.  They continue to take it seriously and they continue to reap the rewards.  Look at walk around footage in Hong Kong or Tokyo and it's like playing where's waldo to find anyone not wearing a mask.  Even in Japan where they didn't take it seriously for much of last year, they hit their stride and caught up.  They were and are able to live life pretty much like normal because they took and are taking it seriously.  If they can do it, why can't we?  There's a lot that can be done.  We don't lack the tools.  We never did.  We simply lack the will.

Pandemics are a matter of public safety.  Just like DUIs, red light runners or active shooters.  We don't leave any of those to only what any individual can do to protect themselves.  Body armor isn't normal daily wear for most people.  We rely on the government to keep us as safe as they can.  Why should a pandemic be any different?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 16, 2021, 08:08:00 PM
New York City is bringing back the ball-dropping New Year’s Eve event at Times Square “at full strength.”  Partiers will need to bring proof of vaccination.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/nyregion/new-years-eve-times-square.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on November 17, 2021, 08:38:41 AM
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We can't make it zero COVID, but we can do a lot to mitigate it.
It is like saying we are Dr. Strange and we can stop the multiverse from going nuts.  ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 18, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
US public health is now warning of rising hospitalizations among the "fully" vaccinated.  So they are pushing the need to get a booster.  The current situation is unclear since the CDC data looks like it hasn't been updated since Aug 28.  It's not the first time that the CDC has made recommendations using weeks old data.  If only we had listened to both Pfizer and Moderna when they recommended boosters.  Israel did.  Instead US public health responded to the Pfizer recommendation with a slap down and looked upon Israel taking action with doubt and disbelief.  Which makes it all the more pathetic that now they hold up Israel as leading the way.

"Fully" vaccinated elderly are once again hospitalized more than younger people.  Regardless of age, I think it's time to consider fully vaccinated to mean 3 shots and not just 2.  Get a booster.  Once again, the FDA is considering boosters for everyone over 18.  This time, they may forego the advisory committee process.  California had already moved ahead and authorized boosters for anyone over 18.  Other states and cities have as well.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/hospitalizations-rising-fully-vaccinated-us-fauci-says-rcna5907
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on November 18, 2021, 02:28:09 PM
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Boostered as of today.  If I don't start walking up walls and having the proportional strength of a spider by tomorrow I will be *highly* disappointed...

Yeah, I forgot that I didn't get my super soldier powers.  I need to riot about that.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 19, 2021, 11:36:21 AM
The FDA has authorized Pfizer and Moderna boosters for everyone over 18.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/19/fda-clears-modernas-covid-vaccine-booster-shots-for-all-us-adults.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on November 19, 2021, 02:15:53 PM
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Boostered as of today.  If I don't start walking up walls and having the proportional strength of a spider by tomorrow I will be *highly* disappointed...
Well, I didn't get those powers I wanted, but was down for the count until today. Started getting chills Tuesday night and then they came on hard all day Wednesday into Thursday. Combine that with aches and it was not a fun 2 days. I feel about 85% recovered now but holy shnikies, this particular shot knocked me down hard.

For those that can, make sure you build in ample recovery time when you get this.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 19, 2021, 03:27:43 PM
All adults are eligible for boosters effective now.  CDC just signed off on it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/19/cdc-advisers-pfizer-moderna-booster-shots-adults
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 26, 2021, 09:04:43 AM
Yesterday, the world seemed to go instantaneously crazy over the "nu" variant.  I think what triggered it was that European countries like the UK and Germany announced bans on travel from southern Africa.  Now the entire EU is considering following suit.  It was thus headline news on the BBC.  Starting late last night it became "breaking news" on CNN with multiple "breaking news" events in one news segment.  World markets traded down overnight.  The DOW is down 1000 pts right now.

The world is still very shaky.  This variant wasn't found until 2 weeks ago.  There have only been a 10's of cases found worldwide.  Delta was a concern for weeks and much more widespread before the world seem to respond this way.  This is so new that it hasn't even been assigned a name yet, it's just assumed that it will be "nu".  The reason the world is reacting this way is the number of mutations is large with this variant.  So the concern is that it may evade the vaccines at least to a degree.  But there's a reason that most people have only heard of alpha and delta although we are up to "nu".  It's because the other variants died out.  Hopefully this one will die out as well.

Update: The powers that be have met and have name this variant "omicron".  I guess "nu" was already taken.  Colloquially it's already being called the "Thanksgiving variant".  They also classified it as a VOC skipping over classifying it as a VOI first.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on November 26, 2021, 11:14:57 AM
The name should be Unicron.  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 26, 2021, 11:43:48 AM
The US is banning foreign nationals arriving from Southern Africa starting on Monday.  At least people have warning.  In the Netherlands overnight, flights that came in from South Africa were held in purgatory while they figured out what to do.  Held on the tarmac for hours with no contact.  Not even food and water.  Considering that we are 2 years into this pandemic, why aren't there plans in place for this?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on November 26, 2021, 03:36:25 PM
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Yesterday, the world seemed to go instantaneously crazy over the "nu" variant.  I think what triggered it was that European countries like the UK and Germany announced bans on travel from southern Africa.  Now the entire EU is considering following suit.  It was thus headline news on the BBC.  Starting late last night it became "breaking news" on CNN with multiple "breaking news" events in one news segment.  World markets traded down overnight.  The DOW is down 1000 pts right now.

The world is still very shaky.  This variant wasn't found until 2 weeks ago.  There have only been a 10's of cases found worldwide.  Delta was a concern for weeks and much more widespread before the world seem to respond this way.  This is so new that it hasn't even been assigned a name yet, it's just assumed that it will be "nu".  The reason the world is reacting this way is the number of mutations is large with this variant.  So the concern is that it may evade the vaccines at least to a degree.  But there's a reason that most people have only heard of alpha and delta although we are up to "nu".  It's because the other variants died out.  Hopefully this one will die out as well.

Update: The powers that be have met and have name this variant "omicron".  I guess "nu" was already taken.  Colloquially it's already being called the "Thanksgiving variant".  They also classified it as a VOC skipping over classifying it as a VOI first.
Omicron!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 26, 2021, 09:04:04 PM
So I guess this is two of the reasons so many countries are freaking out about the new variant.  Researchers on both sides of the Atlantic stress that it's early days but the indications are bad.  They are throwing out a big number for how infectious Omicron is.  Both an American researcher and an Austrian researcher said the same horrible number.  It would be interesting to know whether they came up with the same number independent of one another.

It turns out that the Netherlands had good reason to hold those fights from South Africa on the tarmac.  The last report I saw was that they had only tested 110 out of 600 passengers.  Out of those 110, 15 tested positive for coronavirus.  If that is representative, then 13.6% of the people on those planes are sick.  They don't know what variant it is yet but that's still pretty alarming.  Considering all the rules airlines and countries have for international travel, 13% of the people on a plane are actively infected?  That's not good news.

Update: After testing all 600 people, 61 have coronavirus.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 27, 2021, 07:53:05 PM
The Omicron variant is a reminder to all developed nations regarding vaccine inequities.  Developing nations have a much lower vaccination rate and that is where many of the variants are coming from.  This renews the debate over how much the developed world should help developing nations as far as getting people in poorer nations vaccinated.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/vaccine-omicron-varient-rich-poor/2021/11/27/b2da8fa4-4fa6-11ec-a7b8-9ed28bf23929_story.html?itid=hp-top-table-main
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 28, 2021, 10:57:23 AM
It's still very early days with omicron.  There's bad news and what may make that bad news into potentially good news.

As of the last report I saw, 16 out of the 61 people that tested positive on those flights that landed in Amsterdam have omicron.  Which is quite striking.  Since in order to even get on plane to the Netherlands you have to be fully vaccinated and, if departing from high risk areas, test negative.  So these people that are infected are fully vaccinated and tested negative before getting on the plane.  Yet by the time they landed in Amsterdam, 10% of the passengers tested positive.  Which also illustrates how travel bans only have a very limited utility.  By the time something is detected, a lot of people have already spread it all over the world.

So it seems that omicron is very infectious.  What makes that potentially good news is that anecdotally so far there have been no cases of serious illness from it.  The people that have been confirmed with it have had no symptoms or mild illness.  It's "good" news if a less deadly strain becomes dominant.  That's what happened with the flu. It didn't go away after 1918, a less deadly strain became dominant and is with us every year.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 28, 2021, 06:06:19 PM
Two cases of Omicron were detected in Ottawa.  It’s so far the only North American cases.  The two people had recently returned from a trip to Nigeria.

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/covid-19-964-new-cases-reported-in-ontario
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on November 29, 2021, 11:50:25 AM
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The Omicron variant is a reminder to all developed nations regarding vaccine inequities.  Developing nations have a much lower vaccination rate and that is where many of the variants are coming from.  This renews the debate over how much the developed world should help developing nations as far as getting people in poorer nations vaccinated.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/vaccine-omicron-varient-rich-poor/2021/11/27/b2da8fa4-4fa6-11ec-a7b8-9ed28bf23929_story.html?itid=hp-top-table-main
ABSOLUTELY!
We are seeing a serious, deadly issue being compounded significantly because of sheer capitalism.  Drug companies not wanting to share the formula for the vaccine w/underdeveloped companies means said countries don't have a robust vaccination system in place.  I read Africa has, like a 30ish% vaccination rate which only allows the virus to mutate more and more until it potentially out-powers the vaccination.

I honestly don't know what the solution is.  I know USA has sent vaccines to other countries, but statistically speaking that's just a drop in the bucket population density-wise. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 29, 2021, 02:52:21 PM
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ABSOLUTELY!
We are seeing a serious, deadly issue being compounded significantly because of sheer capitalism.  Drug companies not wanting to share the formula for the vaccine w/underdeveloped companies means said countries don't have a robust vaccination system in place.  I read Africa has, like a 30ish% vaccination rate which only allows the virus to mutate more and more until it potentially out-powers the vaccination.

I honestly don't know what the solution is.  I know USA has sent vaccines to other countries, but statistically speaking that's just a drop in the bucket population density-wise.

I agree about vaccine unfairness.  That is something that needs to be dealt with.  It's not just an ethical issue, it's pragmatic.  Pandemics are about everyone.  No country is safe unless all countries are safe.  Especially since some of the developing countries are being charged 2x as much as the US and other rich countries were for the same vaccine.  We paid about $17/dose.  They are being charged $29/dose.  That makes no sense.  Normally, it's the opposite.  We pay $100, they pay $10.

In this case, that's not the problem.  Africa has about a 3% vaccination rate.  South Africa the country has about a 30% vaccination rate.  South Africa does not have a shortage of vaccine.  In fact, they told Pfizer and J&J recently to stop sending them vaccine because they already have too much they can't use.  The problem in South Africa is the same problem we have here.  Vaccine hesitancy.  They have enough vaccine, but they don't have enough people willing to take it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 29, 2021, 05:26:00 PM
Moderna stock soared Friday and Monday after the pharmaceutical giant said they could have a vaccine tailored to Omicron by mid-Spring.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/11/29/business/moderna-surges-after-saying-omicron-vaccine-can-be-ready-by-early-2022/?p1=BGSearch_Advanced_Results
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on November 30, 2021, 06:25:28 PM
Israel is reporting four cases of people infected with Omicron, including two who were boosted but so far only suffering mild symptoms.  Israel also reported that with fully vaccinated people within six months with Pfizer, the Omicron variant is only 1.3 times stronger than Delta, but not as strong as initially feared.

South Africa is reporting an increase in hospitalizations, but not an increase in patients needing to be treated for severe disease.

http://m.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/covid-1st-data-about-vaccine-efficacy-against-omicron-expected-tuesday-687392
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on November 30, 2021, 11:19:01 PM
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Israel is reporting four cases of people infected with Omicron, including two who were boosted but so far only suffering mild symptoms.  Israel also reported that with fully vaccinated people within six months with Pfizer, the Omicron variant is only 1.3 times stronger than Delta, but not as strong as initially feared.

Other experts say initial indicators show vaccinated people infected with Omicron might get sick, but not sick enough to end up in the hospital.

http://m.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/covid-1st-data-about-vaccine-efficacy-against-omicron-expected-tuesday-687392

It's seems to be more nuanced than that.  It's still early days and Israel emphasizes it's preliminary data.  They key takeaway is if you are boosted then it seems that there's only a slight decrease in efficacy.  If you are "unvaccinated" then it's a different story.  Something that's not explicitly said in that article, although it's there implicitly, is that someone with 2 doses and is past due for a booster is now considered "unvaccinated" to them.  So it's bad news for people that haven't gotten their booster.  Which explains why the US abruptly changed it's messaging a few days ago.  For months, the US has prioritized people getting their first shot over a booster.  That's one of the main reasons that boosters were delayed in the US.  They didn't want to muddle the message by implying the first 2 doses wasn't enough and that's why we need a booster.  So boosting took a backseat.  Starting a few days ago, the messaging from Biden on down, has been to prioritize boosters first and then ask the people that haven't gotten a single shot to get vaccinated.  Which makes sense in light of this early data.  Get the willing protected.  Boosting is no longer a nice to have.  It's a must have.  The unwilling have shown they are stubbornly unwilling.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 01, 2021, 11:50:03 AM
The Omicron variant was detected in San Francisco.  The person was vaccinated and is experiencing mild symptoms and is quarantined.  People he was in contact with were tested and they were found to be negative.  The person in question had traveled to South Africa.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/First-U-S-omicron-case-found-in-San-Francisco-16666493.php
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 01, 2021, 01:18:49 PM
I'd like to emphasize how this person did the right thing.  They got tested when they felt sick and quarantined.  So many people wouldn't have.  They would have brushed it off as a cold and kept going to work or school.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 02, 2021, 10:10:55 AM
yikes an omachron positive person attended anime con in nyc
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1466442419755487237?s=25
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 02, 2021, 10:18:22 AM
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yikes an omachron positive person attended anime con in nyc
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1466442419755487237?s=25
It happens; luckily they were fully vaccinated and suffering only mild symptoms. 
Of course, if anyone here attended the Con, time to get COVID tested...

I felt pretty good about COVID logistics at Comic-Con SE: security was CONSTANTYL asking anyone in my fam to roll up their sleeves if wearing long-sleeves to show their COVID wristbands.  None of the policies are perfect (short of taking an instant COVID test before entering Convention Center, maybe?) but I felt CCI did the best possible job
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 02, 2021, 11:00:11 AM
IMO this case is more meaningful than the California case yesterday.  That was travel related.  He got infected in SA.  This NY case looks to be community spread.  He didn't do any international travel recently.

All this is to be expected.  By the time any respiratory virus is discovered in the modern world, it's already all over the place.  The concerning thing is how fast omicron seems to spread in a community.  In SA, they had 2000-3000 new covid cases in one day a week ago.  Today it broke 11,000 cases in one day.  That's in a population where 80% have antibodies to covid.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on December 02, 2021, 08:00:07 PM
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It happens; luckily they were fully vaccinated and suffering only mild symptoms. 
Of course, if anyone here attended the Con, time to get COVID tested...

I felt pretty good about COVID logistics at Comic-Con SE: security was CONSTANTYL asking anyone in my fam to roll up their sleeves if wearing long-sleeves to show their COVID wristbands.  None of the policies are perfect (short of taking an instant COVID test before entering Convention Center, maybe?) but I felt CCI did the best possible job

 Good to hear. Makes me more comfortable about going to SDCC next year.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on December 02, 2021, 08:02:42 PM
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Moderna stock soared Friday and Monday after the pharmaceutical giant said they could have a vaccine tailored to Omicron by mid-Spring.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/11/29/business/moderna-surges-after-saying-omicron-vaccine-can-be-ready-by-early-2022/?p1=BGSearch_Advanced_Results

I'm allergic to Moderna. :(

Hope someone else comes up with an Omicron vaccine, too. Or, maybe their Omicron vaccine will be different enough? Not sure if it's the drug or the other stuff in it that made me react.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 03, 2021, 10:05:29 AM
My 7 year old got his second shot yesterday afternoon, and he's incredibly excited to be fully vaccinated (for now) before the Holiday fun kicks in in a few weeks.  So far, about 18 hors after, he has zero side-effects except mild soreness in the arm.  With the holidays and the nutty fun in our house (TWO different Advent calendars - the LEGO Star Wars one as well as one my wife and put together; Elf on the Shelf; etc) he has his mind on bigger and better things and didn't seem phased by the shot at all.

I honestly haven't seen a ton about side effects for younger kids so I don't know if they're similar to what adults went through or not.  But our kid seems to have no problems so far
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 03, 2021, 11:09:45 AM
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I honestly haven't seen a ton about side effects for younger kids so I don't know if they're similar to what adults went through or not.  But our kid seems to have no problems so far

Side effects were studied with the clinical trials.  They compared people who got the vaccine to people who got the placebo.  The difference between adults and children aren't all that different.  The spread between the vaccinated and placebo groups does seem wider for children for some things.

For quantitative side effects, like vomiting and diarrhea, there is no difference between the vaccine and placebo groups.  The one exception is fever.  The vaccinated group did have much higher rate of fever than the placebo group.  But even then, the percentage of people who had a fever was less than 4%.  The commonly reported side effects, like fatigue and headache, are qualitative.  That was like 42% in the vaccinated group and 33% in the placebo group.  So a lot of people reported those side effects even if they didn't get the vaccine.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 03, 2021, 11:21:34 AM
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yikes an omachron positive person attended anime con in nyc
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1466442419755487237?s=25

I looks like it is community spread.  5 other cases in NYC as of last night.  I think it's the tip of the iceberg.  Norway has reported 50 cases as of yesterday.  13 of which, so far, have been traced back to the same party of 120 people where one person recently returned from SA.  Everyone that attended the party are fully vaccinated and tested negative before the party.  Which pretty much matches what happened on the planes that landed in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: SteveD on December 03, 2021, 12:50:11 PM
So now I need to know if anyone on my plane back to New Jersey had recently traveled or came in contact with anyone who recently traveled from South Africa.
Ugh!  :(
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 03, 2021, 08:07:23 PM
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yikes an omachron positive person attended anime con in nyc
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1466442419755487237?s=25

That’s why I cancelled CC for myself and got a refund.  I didn’t anticipate any variant coming before Omicron was announced, but it was good timing.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 04, 2021, 11:41:58 AM
An update on the Anime Con in NYC, that first person that tested positive saw 35 friends at the con.  About half of them have tested positive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/03/nyc-anime-covid-omicron
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on December 04, 2021, 01:30:00 PM
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An update on the Anime Con in NYC, that first person that tested positive saw 35 friends at the con.  About half of them have tested positive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/03/nyc-anime-covid-omicron

Wow.  Half.  That seems high.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 05, 2021, 11:09:18 AM
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Wow.  Half.  That seems high.

It may not be as bad as it seems.  It's not now known whether that one person infected half those people or whether half those people were already infected and they infected that one person.  That person in Minnesota was the first one that tested positive.  That's all that can be said right now.  He may not have brought it to con, but caught it at the con from someone else.  I think the only thing to conclude right now that it's already in the community in the US.  It already was before the travel ban.  That's why travel bans have limited utility.

For the same reason, that's why the variants are now named after greek letters instead of the place they were first detected.  Since where they are first found doesn't mean that's were they evolved.  Omicron was first found in SA.  That doesn't mean that it evolved there.  It could have came in from the other side of the world.  Consider how many cases have popped up all over the world once the world got the heads up to look.  It just means that SA has good virus surveillance.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 08, 2021, 01:52:31 PM
Keep your fingers crossed and knock on wood.  CDC Chief Dr. Rochelle Walensky told the Associated Press that so far, more than 40 people in the U.S. have been found to be infected with the Omicron variant and more than three-quarters of them had been vaccinated, but she also said nearly all of them were only mildly ill.  A third of them got boosted and only one person was hospitalized but nobody died.

http://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-rochelle-walensky-centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention-83c6607d1809a922ae0f892e22a5377f
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 08, 2021, 05:43:14 PM
Early studies suggest the initial two dose vaccine is only partially effective against Omicron, but someone who got the booster or recovered from Covid-19 and got the initial two doses have much fuller protection.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/12/08/omicron-pfizer-booster
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 08, 2021, 09:54:52 PM
It's still early days and much of the data comes from test tube experiments.  The falloff in efficacy against omicron is dramatic for someone with 2 doses.  A third dose brings it back up.  For someone with 3 doses efficacy against omicron is about the same as someone with 2 doses against the original covid strain.  That's why in some places, two doses is considered "unvaccinated".  In the US and elsewhere, there's consideration to redefine fully vaccinated as 3 doses.

I think people have gotten the message.  When I got my booster, there was no wait for an appointment at all.  Now, I know people who have to wait until the middle of January.  That's the first appointment that's available.

The UK has done a 180.  With great fanfare, they announced freedom day this summer when they dropped all precautions.  They decided that vaccination was enough.  As with every other country that's declared victory and let down their guard, it hasn't worked out.  Today they announced that it's back to masking in public and work from home if you can.  Some have projected that omicron will become the dominant strain in the UK by Christmas.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on December 08, 2021, 11:35:05 PM
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It's still early days and much of the data comes from test tube experiments.  The falloff in efficacy against omicron is dramatic for someone with 2 doses.  A third dose brings it back up.  For someone with 3 doses efficacy against omicron is about the same as someone with 2 doses against the original covid strain.  That's why in some places, two doses is considered "unvaccinated".  In the US and elsewhere, there's consideration to redefine fully vaccinated as 3 doses.

I think people have gotten the message.  When I got my booster, there was no wait for an appointment at all.  Now, I know people who have to wait until the middle of January.  That's the first appointment that's available.

The UK has done a 180.  With great fanfare, they announced freedom day this summer when they dropped all precautions.  They decided that vaccination was enough.  As with every other country that's declared victory and let down their guard, it hasn't worked out.  Today they announced that it's back to masking in public and work from home if you can.  Some have projected that omicron will become the dominant strain in the UK by Christmas.
Just a point on your mention of the return of some restrictions here in the UK.
They would not have returned if the government had not been exposed as holding Christmas parties last December when much of the country was in lockdown. Videos have surfaced of these parties and as such our OM has chosen to be a petty a**h*** and reimpose some restrictions not based on the science of virus spreading (which has actually been flat for quite a while) but instead because the whole country are pissed off with him and his cronies partying away while we weren't allowed to see family/friends.
It is the act of a petulant child.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on December 09, 2021, 09:24:20 AM
Thank you for your perspective, FBS. We hear about what is happening in other countries but we don't really know how the people there feel about it. For example, Australia's measures terrify me, but since I'm not there, perhaps I am misunderstanding their approach. I had heard that cases in the UK were flat, and it's good to have that confirmed by you.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on December 09, 2021, 09:31:17 AM
I’ve been keeping track at work and last Friday we had 21 Covid patients hospitalized with 4 in ICU, on Monday our numbers increased to 29 with 9 in ICU, and today we have 39 with 8 in ICU. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that our numbers go back down before they close my unit again
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 09, 2021, 11:52:04 AM
An update on that superspreader event in Norway.  81 out of 111 people at the party have now tested positive, that's 73%.  All but 1 were symptomatic.  In addition, 60 people that were in the same restaurant that night have also tested positive.  Everyone at the party had 2 jabs and had tested negative before the party.

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Just a point on your mention of the return of some restrictions here in the UK.
They would not have returned if the government had not been exposed as holding Christmas parties last December when much of the country was in lockdown. Videos have surfaced of these parties and as such our OM has chosen to be a petty a**h*** and reimpose some restrictions not based on the science of virus spreading (which has actually been flat for quite a while) but instead because the whole country are pissed off with him and his cronies partying away while we weren't allowed to see family/friends.
It is the act of a petulant child.

I'm aware of the scandal that broke yesterday.  But I don't think that had anything to do with reimposing restrictions.  Since they had already started doing that over a week ago.  That's when masking was brought back for public transit and stores.  That's when "plan B" started.  The science does support it.  Cases have not been flat in the UK.  They've been going up ever since the end of July.  Now they are pushing back towards the highs.  That's even without omicron as a major factor.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/177AD/production/_122037169_optimised-uk_daily_cases_with_ra_9dec-nc.png)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on December 09, 2021, 12:43:08 PM


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I'm aware of the scandal that broke yesterday.  But I don't think that had anything to do with reimposing restrictions.  Since they had already started doing that over a week ago.  That's when masking was brought back for public transit and stores.  That's when "plan B" started.  The science does support it.  Cases have not been flat in the UK.  They've been going up ever since the end of July.  Now they are pushing back towards the highs.  That's even without omicron as a major factor.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/177AD/production/_122037169_optimised-uk_daily_cases_with_ra_9dec-nc.png)

It has everything to do with the scandal. There was only a vague mention from the JCVI (our version of CDC) about moving to plan B. They hadn't even written up a full report to give to the Prime Minister.
His and his parties petulance at being caught out and being laughed at is why it was brought in.

Plan B starts tomorrow. Masks on tubes in London has always been there. But other transports couldn't enforce it from July so it became "advised and recommended". Which was unenforceable. We've had no real restrictions to speak of for months up until tomorrow, but even then its pretty vague stuff.

Hospitalizations have been slowly dropping. Deaths are pretty steady with minor drops. We test over a million people a day. The most in Europe. Kids are tested twice weekly for schooling. So that is where most of the uptick has been coming from for weeks.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 09, 2021, 01:41:32 PM
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It has everything to do with the scandal. There was only a vague mention from the JCVI (our version of CDC) about moving to plan B. They hadn't even written up a full report to give to the Prime Minister.
His and his parties petulance at being caught out and being laughed at is why it was brought in.

Plan B starts tomorrow. Masks on tubes in London has always been there. But other transports couldn't enforce it from July so it became "advised and recommended". Which was unenforceable. We've had no real restrictions to speak of for months up until tomorrow, but even then its pretty vague stuff.

Hospitalizations have been slowly dropping. Deaths are pretty steady with minor drops. We test over a million people a day. The most in Europe. Kids are tested twice weekly for schooling. So that is where most of the uptick has been coming from for weeks.

Masking on public transport was "advised and recommended" until the end of November.  That's when it changed to compulsory again.  It's been enforceable via fines since then.  The self isolation rules also changed back to what they were before July at the end of November.  Before July it was self isolate unless testing negative if contacted by trace.  Then it became don't self isolate unless testing positive.  Which has been hypothesized as the reason for the sudden drop in reported cases at that time.  The motivation inverted from getting tested to not getting tested.  So people stopped getting tested as much.  Less testing, less reported cases.  Now it's back to self isolation if notified.

At the end of November when all this was announced, they already said that back to working at home and extending vaccine passports were on the table.  They pulled the trigger on those yesterday.  Here's the reporting on the Nov 28th announcements.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/28/covid-new-rules-explained-as-omicron-variant-reaches-uk-15676766/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on December 09, 2021, 02:06:03 PM
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Masking on public transport was "advised and recommended" until the end of November.  That's when it changed to compulsory again.  It's been enforceable via fines since then.  The self isolation rules also changed back to what they were before July at the end of November.  Before July it was self isolate unless testing negative if contacted by trace.  Then it became don't self isolate unless testing positive.  Which has been hypothesized as the reason for the sudden drop in reported cases at that time.  The motivation inverted from getting tested to not getting tested.  So people stopped getting tested as much.  Less testing, less reported cases.  Now it's back to self isolation if notified.

At the end of November when all this was announced, they already said that back to working at home and extending vaccine passports were on the table.  They pulled the trigger on those yesterday.  Here's the reporting on the Nov 28th announcements.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/28/covid-new-rules-explained-as-omicron-variant-reaches-uk-15676766/
I was on a long train journey on Saturday. No suggestion of compulsory masks. Once again "advised and recommended".

Less testing in July/August was due to schools being off for 6-8 weeks. So no studenst were testing. Which is a huge chunk of our testing these days.

The article you quote does mention restrictions returning. But none of them were officially brought in until it was mentioned earlier this week and enforceable (whatever the heck that means here as no one is sure who is fining anyone anymore) from the 10th.
The article says a great many things, and reading it from the outside suggests all of it was brought in around that time. But being on the ground in & around London every day, and seeing it with my own two eyes, is very different.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 09, 2021, 07:50:21 PM
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I was on a long train journey on Saturday. No suggestion of compulsory masks. Once again "advised and recommended".

Less testing in July/August was due to schools being off for 6-8 weeks. So no studenst were testing. Which is a huge chunk of our testing these days.

The article you quote does mention restrictions returning. But none of them were officially brought in until it was mentioned earlier this week and enforceable (whatever the heck that means here as no one is sure who is fining anyone anymore) from the 10th.
The article says a great many things, and reading it from the outside suggests all of it was brought in around that time. But being on the ground in & around London every day, and seeing it with my own two eyes, is very different.

From a week ago.

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Fines up to £200 were issued to 152 people on Tuesday, the day masks became mandatory on public transport again, Transport for London (TfL) said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-59516804
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on December 10, 2021, 05:52:39 AM
I think that we have all learned over the past couple of years that what is reported on the news is often biased or not the entire story. It is so much more important to hear the actual experiences of people on the ground to know what is truly happening. I am grateful that @FBS (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1130) is able to do this for us so that we can understand what is really happening in the UK (and not just what is 'reported').
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 10, 2021, 10:12:28 AM
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I think that we have all learned over the past couple of years that what is reported on the news is often biased or not the entire story. It is so much more important to hear the actual experiences of people on the ground to know what is truly happening. I am grateful that @FBS (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1130) is able to do this for us so that we can understand what is really happening in the UK (and not just what is 'reported').

I recently subscribed to a newsletter 1440- I haven't detected spin yet- today's email has short blurbs on Debt Limit Maneuvers, Jobless Claims Drop Again, School Shooting Lawsuit. Then segments on Business, Science, Politics&World, Culture&Sports, etc
imho, it's great- But I'm very much a person who likes 'just the news, mama'. I have a reallyReally hard time with **all** the broadcast news shows.
www.join1440.com/?rh_ref=50d378fa

If anyone's interested i'll forward them an email- just lmk
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 10, 2021, 11:47:20 AM
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I think that we have all learned over the past couple of years that what is reported on the news is often biased or not the entire story. It is so much more important to hear the actual experiences of people on the ground to know what is truly happening. I am grateful that @FBS (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1130) is able to do this for us so that we can understand what is really happening in the UK (and not just what is 'reported').
This is so true.  Twelve years ago a student from our school (a band student no less) was out for an afternoon run and disappeared.  There was a TON of both local and national media attention on her disappearance (and eventually reporting on her murder), and there was so much wrong information in the press.  We'd have regular faculty meetings to hear our principal give us a head's up over "here's what the reporter said; here's what I actually said; here's the full _truth_ of the matter."  It was definitely a wake-up call for me at how wrong the media can be for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 11, 2021, 11:17:50 AM
I agree to a certain extent.  In various endeavors in my life, we have had a bit of press.  In the end when we read/watched the pieces we would ask each other "Is that what were doing?"  Eh, it's mostly right.

There's a fundamental difference between disagreeing about the spin and disagreeing about the facts.  People can differ about how to interpret facts.  That's happened as long as we could think.  But once we disagree that the facts exist at all, that's when society falls apart.  As we are so aptly demonstrating here in the US.  For that, I most definitely trust big media more than smaller outlets.  If for no reason other than due their size, they are constantly fact checked by others.  Watch them with a critical eye.  Watch many outlets to get various takes to form a more complete picture.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 13, 2021, 11:31:06 AM
A little over a week ago, the WHO said there had been no deaths attributed to omicron.  Unfortunately, that ends today.  The first official omicron death is in the UK.  I doubt that it is the first one, it's just the first official one.  The excess deaths in South Africa have increased a lot in the last few weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/britain-omicron-death-variant-coronavirus/2021/12/13/cd87da44-5c0a-11ec-b1ef-cb78be717f0e_story.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on December 13, 2021, 03:07:41 PM
Mask mandate back in CA: https://ktla.com/news/california/california-reimposing-indoor-mask-mandate-amid-sharp-increase-in-covid-cases/

It begins (again) on December 15th and “supposedly” ends on Jan. 15th, 2022. But I am sure it will be extended. I would be shocked if it wasn’t.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 13, 2021, 08:57:52 PM
It only effects half the people in the state.  The other half have already been under local mask mandates since delta.  The half that hasn't, the biggest county of which is San Diego, will just ignore it like they always have.  I anticipate statements from law enforcement in those counties to state they will not enforce the mandate.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on December 13, 2021, 09:26:39 PM
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It only effects half the people in the state.  The other half have already been under local mask mandates since delta.  The half that hasn't, the biggest county of which is San Diego, will just ignore it like they always have.  I anticipate statements from law enforcement in those counties to state they will not enforce the mandate.

My suburb is somewhat conservative, but businesses have obeyed previous mask mandates. Many people did not wear masks when the mandates were dropped. The mandates do work to some extent.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 15, 2021, 05:25:23 PM
Orange County is conservative and won’t enforce it.  Conservative activists in Huntington Beach won’t allow it.  Maybe they will in Costa Mesa, where I live.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 15, 2021, 07:25:47 PM
Today, on the first day of the reinstated mask mandate, the mayors of two cities(Coronado and El Cajon) in San Diego County said that they will not enforce the mask mandate.  This is even before the state issues enforcement guidelines.  They are long standing positions.  At least they are being upfront about it.  Mask mandates are not enforced in San Diego County regardless of the headlines.  Across the entire county, they've collected a grand total of $0 in fines for violating mandates over the entire pandemic.  Even the few high profile cases were subsequently dropped.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on December 16, 2021, 03:18:53 PM
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Today, on the first day of the reinstated mask mandate, the mayors of two cities(Coronado and El Cajon) in San Diego County said that they will not enforce the mask mandate.  This is even before the state issues enforcement guidelines.  They are long standing positions.  At least they are being upfront about it.  Mask mandates are not enforced in San Diego County regardless of the headlines.  Across the entire county, they've collected a grand total of $0 in fines for violating mandates over the entire pandemic.  Even the few high profile cases were subsequently dropped.

They don't seem to be enforcing it here, but the good news is that most people are complying.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 20, 2021, 02:46:22 AM
Moderna says preliminary findings not yet peer-reviewed showed that a Moderna booster provided 37 times more protection than pre-boost vaccines against the Omicron variant.  A third full dose is said to provide 83 times more protection than the two initial doses.  As of 5:30am EST/2:30am PST, pre-market stock futures show Moderna stock is up 6%.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/moderna-says-covid-19-booster-dose-works-against-omicron-variant-in-lab-tests-11639994403
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 20, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
I think it's long past time we stopped calling the third shot a booster.  Booster implies doing something more than needed, it's extra.  A third shot is needed.  It needs to be a three shot regimen.  2 jabs doesn't do the job.  1 J&J jab definitely doesn't do the job.  Get your booster if you haven't yet.

The omicron news has been decidedly bad.  It's taking over much faster than anticipated.  It's already the dominant strain in the UK as of a few days ago.  In Miami it went from 0% to 80% of positive cases in 2 weeks.  The Netherlands is back in full lockdown.  The one bright spot is what came out of HK.  They found that it replicates 70 times faster in the upper air way but 10 times slower in the lungs.  Which would explain why it's so transmissible but reported to cause less severe illness.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on December 20, 2021, 01:42:05 PM
Something possibly positive...

South Africa Hospitalization Rate Plunges in Omicron Wave

South Africa delivered some positive news on the omicron coronavirus variant on Friday, reporting a much lower rate of hospital admissions and signs that the wave of infections may be peaking.

Only 1.7% of identified Covid-19 cases were admitted to hospital in the second week of infections in the fourth wave, compared with 19% in the same week of the third delta-driven wave, South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla said at a press conference. 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/omicron-covid-19-hospital-admission-rate-plunges-in-south-africa/ar-AARVjLM
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 20, 2021, 07:34:29 PM
It took a month for omicron to go from 0% to 73% of new covid cases in the US.  It is now the dominant strain.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions

On another note, here in San Diego, the covid positivity rate jumped yesterday to 8.8%.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on December 21, 2021, 10:57:46 AM
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Something possibly positive...

South Africa Hospitalization Rate Plunges in Omicron Wave

South Africa delivered some positive news on the omicron coronavirus variant on Friday, reporting a much lower rate of hospital admissions and signs that the wave of infections may be peaking.

Only 1.7% of identified Covid-19 cases were admitted to hospital in the second week of infections in the fourth wave, compared with 19% in the same week of the third delta-driven wave, South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla said at a press conference.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/omicron-covid-19-hospital-admission-rate-plunges-in-south-africa/ar-AARVjLM

I really think that Omicron is COVID's Christmas present to us. It's very contagious, but also very mild. There has only been 1 death from Omicron worldwide, and that person died 'with COVID' (not 'from COVID'), meaning that there were other issues involved. If we all catch Omicron and develop natural immunity, then the pandemic is over.  The data from South Africa supports this. I'm remaining optimistic.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 21, 2021, 12:28:59 PM
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I really think that Omicron is COVID's Christmas present to us. It's very contagious, but also very mild. There has only been 1 death from Omicron worldwide, and that person died 'with COVID' (not 'from COVID'), meaning that there were other issues involved. If we all catch Omicron and develop natural immunity, then the pandemic is over.  The data from South Africa supports this. I'm remaining optimistic.

I hope so.  But it's still early days.  Omicron has just spread so far so soon that it feels much further along in it's progression than it is.  Generally hospitalizations lag infections by a couple of weeks.  Deaths lag hospitalizations by a few weeks after that.  There is actually more than 1 death due to omicron now worldwide.  14 so far in the UK alone.  I think it's 2 in the US as of yesterday.  Omicron still isn't a big factor in existing cases here yet.  We are still in the midst of delta.  Omicron is the dominant strain in new cases, but in existing cases it's still small.

I hope it plays as well in the UK, here and elsewhere as in South Africa.  But even there, the excess deaths have spiked.  Which generally means a lot of covid deaths aren't being acknowledged.  I think the HK data is promising.  Their research explains both why it would be more transmissible and less severe.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 22, 2021, 01:03:19 AM
I can’t say for sure this is a foretelling of what’s to come.   South Africa is apparently seeing a drop of new cases.  After hitting a high of nearly 27,000 new cases nationwide on Thursday, the numbers dropped to about 15,424 on Tuesday. In Gauteng province — South Africa’s most populous with 16 million people, including the largest city, Johannesburg, and the capital, Pretoria — the decrease started earlier and has continued.  In South Africa, experts worried that the sheer volume of new infections would overwhelm the country’s hospitals, even though omicron appears to cause milder disease, with significantly less hospitalizations, patients needing oxygen and deaths.  But then cases in Gauteng started falling. After reaching 16,000 new infections on Dec. 12, the province’s numbers have steadily dropped, to just over 3,300 cases Tuesday.  In another sign that South Africa’s omicron surge may be receding, a study of health care professionals who tested positive for COVID-19 at Chris Hani Baragwanath hospital in Soweto shows a rapid increase and then a quick decline in cases.

http://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-africa-johannesburg-south-africa-f4b59ecde3029295f7b96f2d0ff44042
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 22, 2021, 01:07:16 AM
Israel is on the verge of commencing the 4th shot for health workers, older people and other immunocompromised people.  The concern is waning immunity especially against omicron.  There's been some research that has indicated that efficacy reduces after 3 months and not 6 months.  A few weeks back the UK lowered the criteria to get a booster from 6 months to 3 months.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 22, 2021, 01:22:23 AM
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I can’t say for sure this is a foretelling of what’s to come

It's still early days.  The Imperial College says

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The study finds no evidence of Omicron having lower severity than Delta, judged by either the proportion of people testing positive who report symptoms, or by the proportion of cases seeking hospital care after infection. However, hospitalisation data remains very limited at this time.

The reinfection rate they found is frightening.  About 5 times higher than delta.  A previous natural covid infection only offers 19% protection against omicron.  Which is kind of like the protection the common cold is thought to offer against the original strain of covid.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/modelling-suggests-rapid-spread-omicron-england/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 22, 2021, 12:57:41 PM
The situation is fluid.  Today, the Imperial College has another release.  This time the indication is that omicron has a lower hospitalization risk than delta.

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Overall, we find evidence of a reduction in the risk of hospitalisation for Omicron relative to Delta infections, averaging over all cases in the study period.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/covid-19/report-50-severity-omicron/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 22, 2021, 01:17:48 PM
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Israel is on the verge of commencing the 4th shot for health workers, older people and other immunocompromised people.  The concern is waning immunity especially against omicron.  There's been some research that has indicated that efficacy reduces after 3 months and not 6 months.  A few weeks back the UK lowered the criteria to get a booster from 6 months to 3 months.

The rest of the world to follow.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on December 22, 2021, 01:25:09 PM
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Israel is on the verge of commencing the 4th shot for health workers, older people and other immunocompromised people.  The concern is waning immunity especially against omicron.  There's been some research that has indicated that efficacy reduces after 3 months and not 6 months.  A few weeks back the UK lowered the criteria to get a booster from 6 months to 3 months.
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on December 22, 2021, 04:50:53 PM
I'll be curious to see how this vaccine plays out: https://thehill.com/policy/defense/army/586890-army-to-announce-vaccine-that-protects-omicron-and-other-variants-report
Walter Reed Medical/The Army has been working on this vaccine since early 2020, and its equated to a 'soccer ball' in its design.  One shot needed to potentially fight off all mutations, with the vaccine having several 'panels' like a soccer ball; each "panel" can be programmed to be effective against different variations.  They started human testing in April, but haven't been able to test against Omicron yet.  Kind of humorously (I sorta have a dark sense of humor, I suppose), they had a difficult time finding volunteers who neither 1) had been vaccinated at all and 2) had not gotten COVID yet.  They'll now set to begin testing on vaccinated & previously-infected volunteers.

This could be an even bigger game changer than mRNA vaccine that has so far been pretty amazing vs COVID and its variations (reminder that they're now being named after Greek alphabet, and Omicron is letter #15)!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 22, 2021, 06:03:18 PM
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I'll be curious to see how this vaccine plays out: https://thehill.com/policy/defense/army/586890-army-to-announce-vaccine-that-protects-omicron-and-other-variants-report
Walter Reed Medical/The Army has been working on this vaccine since early 2020, and its equated to a 'soccer ball' in its design.  One shot needed to potentially fight off all mutations, with the vaccine having several 'panels' like a soccer ball; each "panel" can be programmed to be effective against different variations.  They started human testing in April, but haven't been able to test against Omicron yet.  Kind of humorously (I sorta have a dark sense of humor, I suppose), they had a difficult time finding volunteers who neither 1) had been vaccinated at all and 2) had not gotten COVID yet.  They'll now set to begin testing on vaccinated & previously-infected volunteers.

This could be an even bigger game changer than mRNA vaccine that has so far been pretty amazing vs COVID and its variations (reminder that they're now being named after Greek alphabet, and Omicron is letter #15)!

Unless I'm fundamentally missing it, this is just a mass way of introducing a variety of proteins for the immune system to have a response to.  They would still need for each variant to be discovered before they could adapt this vaccine to it.  I don't see how this is any different than mixing vaccines.  For example, a covid vaccine can be mixed with a flu vaccine and then you would have one shot that would be effective against covid and the flu.  Fundamentally, what is the advantage to this over existing vaccines that contains multiple strains?  Like the current flu vaccine that works for 4 strains.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 24, 2021, 03:28:05 PM
According to yesterday's tech brief from the UK, my booster shot is already substantially less effective against Omicron.  I got my 3rd shot of Pfizer over 10 weeks ago.  Just as cases are spiking here in San Diego.  2,300 cases on Wednesday.  Next time, I'm holding out for Moderna.  Again, the findings show that Moderna holds up the best.

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Repeated VE analysis continues to show lower VE for symptomatic Omicron disease compared to Delta. There is evidence of waning of protection against symptomatic disease with increasing time after dose 2, and by 10 weeks after the booster dose, with a 15 to 25% reduction in vaccine effectiveness after 10 weeks. This waning is faster for Omicron than for Delta infections.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043680/technical-briefing-33.pdf
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 24, 2021, 10:33:12 PM
Everyone in my family (except for Mom) took a Covid-19 test this week, all three of us came back negative.  Mom wasn’t tested but she is not exhibiting any symptoms.  For me, it was the fifth test.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on December 26, 2021, 10:04:08 AM
5? Rookie! ;)  I've been testing every week at work since September. And that's not counting the home tests I take when I travel.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on December 26, 2021, 09:56:38 PM
Just got back from visiting family. One person in the family got COVID while we were there. We all took the rapid test and are negative but will take the PCR test on Wednesday.

Two kids in the family had had 2 shots each. The rest were boosted, including the person who had gotten COVID.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on December 27, 2021, 10:27:57 AM
I haven't had to have a covid test yet.  Luckily I am still working from home and I am triple vaccinated at this time.  When they approve another booster I will be in line!   

I like the idea if you travel or do any gathering of friends/family getting the rapid tests. 

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on December 27, 2021, 10:47:52 AM
Before my surgery, I had to have a Covid test, the nasal swab, talk about uncomfortable, but I have coworkers ( healthcare) who did not get vaccinated, but have either medical or religious exemptions,and they have to test 2x/ week, but it’s just a spit test. My son who was in the nursing program had to be tested weekly, because they were doing clinicals and all hospitals required it
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Post by: semigeekgirl on December 27, 2021, 11:18:09 AM
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I like the idea if you travel or do any gathering of friends/family getting the rapid tests.

I like the idea too but unfortunately they're impossible to find most of the time (at least in the Los Angeles area). CVS and Walgreens won't even tell you which locations have them in stock on the websites any more, so unless you have time to drive to 3-8 locations you're probably out of luck. And even if you do find them some places will only let you buy one or two so unless your gathering is tiny it still won't work.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on December 27, 2021, 11:30:18 AM
I’m hoping maybe after the holidays are over they will be back in stock.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on December 27, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
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I like the idea too but unfortunately they're impossible to find most of the time (at least in the Los Angeles area). CVS and Walgreens won't even tell you which locations have them in stock on the websites any more, so unless you have time to drive to 3-8 locations you're probably out of luck. And even if you do find them some places will only let you buy one or two so unless your gathering is tiny it still won't work.

After NYCC I just quarantined for a week under the assumption I was exposed.  I guess that is the next best thing to a test, however, I don't think most people would do what I did.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 27, 2021, 08:14:46 PM
I really hope the San Diego County covid website is messed up again.  Otherwise, I'm putting on a bunny suit when I go get groceries tomorrow.  Today they reported 2681 positive tests out of 7227 given.  That's 37% positive.  That makes the rolling 7 day average of 11% look good instead of horrific.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on December 27, 2021, 10:41:40 PM
Well, the family member who did the rapid at-home test went to a testing site for a rapid test and it was negative. She then went for a PCR test and it was negative. Another relative is feeling sick but can't get tested. Hmm. I know everyone thinks the PCR test is the gold standard, but I'm guessing the family member should trust the results of her rapid at-home test.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: AlaskaRainbow on December 28, 2021, 10:21:52 AM
My son, Will (yes, the one with Stage IV kidney cancer) just got a second case of the Covid. He's fully vaxxed but he went to Miami last month and no surprise, he got a breakthrough case.  He got over it the 2nd time much better than the first, he said all the symptoms were less severe except for the fever.

We live in AK which is a very Red State so there are plenty of home testing kits available in the stores!  (haha - the virulent anti-vaxxers are strong here and rule our local Assembly). You're still only allowed to buy two tests at a time but my other son just went to a couple different stores (Walgreens and Fred Meyers) and bought four of them. We're mailing a couple to my sister in WA State who hasn't been able to find them in stores where she lives.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 28, 2021, 12:14:46 PM
It seems that the 37% positivity rate reported yesterday here in San Diego isn't that unusual.  The rate in Ireland is 49.7%.  So it could be right.  I think it's time to break out my emergency stash of the serious N95s and dust off the face shields.
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Post by: perc2100 on December 28, 2021, 06:56:11 PM
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I really hope the San Diego County covid website is messed up again.  Otherwise, I'm putting on a bunny suit when I go get groceries tomorrow.  Today they reported 2681 positive tests out of 7227 given.  That's 37% positive.  That makes the rolling 7 day average of 11% look good instead of horrific.
Can you post a link to that?
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Post by: chocolateshake on December 28, 2021, 07:43:47 PM
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Can you post a link to that?

It's here.  https://www.sandiegocounty.gov/content/sdc/hhsa/programs/phs/community_epidemiology/dc/2019-nCoV/status.html

It does seem like the number of tests reported yesterday was missing a digit.  It was just so low at around 7000.  Today the number testing positive was about the same but the number of tests is 19000.  So it's only a 12% positivity rate.  The 7 day rolling is up to 12.4%.

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Post by: chocolateshake on December 28, 2021, 08:15:16 PM
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I’m hoping maybe after the holidays are over they will be back in stock.

2 of the recently authorized tests are available for order on Amazon right now.  It'll take a couple of weeks to get them, but at least you can order them.

https://www.amazon.com/iHealth-COVID-19-Authorized-Non-invasive-Discomfort/dp/B09KZ6TBNY
https://www.amazon.com/at-Home-COVID-19-Antigen-Self-Test-Authorized/dp/B09FP6HWCV
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Post by: puppy on December 28, 2021, 10:43:33 PM
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2 of the recently authorized tests are available for order on Amazon right now.  It'll take a couple of weeks to get them, but at least you can order them.

https://www.amazon.com/iHealth-COVID-19-Authorized-Non-invasive-Discomfort/dp/B09KZ6TBNY
https://www.amazon.com/at-Home-COVID-19-Antigen-Self-Test-Authorized/dp/B09FP6HWCV

I bought the iHealth test yesterday, and even though it showed that the test was supposed to come next week, it arrived today.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 29, 2021, 04:11:03 PM
The San Diego County library branches are giving out the ihealth covid test kits for free.  First come, first served.  While supplies last.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 29, 2021, 08:23:52 PM
San Diego County sent out a covid alert about an hour ago.  It's because new cases jumped to 3,653 yesterday.  That's over 1000 more than the day before.  A sudden spike has been characteristic of omicron when it hits.  I looks like it's hit.  The US had 441,000 new cases on Monday.  That shattered the previous all time high from a year ago.  It was also a sudden big spike.  It's concerning to think how high it might go before we peak.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 30, 2021, 03:30:37 PM
South Africa says their Omicron wave has passed with “only” a few deaths.  Some scientists were quick to forecast the same pattern elsewhere, offering VERY CAUTIOUS hope for other countries dealing with the current wave.  “We’ll be in for a tough January, as cases will keep going up and peak, and then fall fast,” said Ali Mokdad, a University of Washington epidemiologist who is a former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention scientist. While cases will still overwhelm hospitals, he said, he expects that the proportion of hospitalized cases will be lower than in earlier waves.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/30/world/omicron-covid-vaccine-tests
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 30, 2021, 05:33:28 PM
CES (consumer electronic show) is suppose to start next monday in Vegas .

Microsoft, google, amazon and facebook have all canceled. Along with numerous smaller vendors


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Post by: Miss Kitty on December 30, 2021, 05:52:13 PM
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The San Diego County library branches are giving out the ihealth covid test kits for free.  First come, first served.  While supplies last.
Every branch is out.

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Post by: alyssa on December 30, 2021, 06:12:02 PM
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Every branch is out.

there's a testing tent in the parking lot behind the mission valley mall, by the entrance to the underground parking.
I have to visit it tomorrow, i'm feeling horrible today

ces is going to give out a rapid test to everyone when they pick up their badge
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 30, 2021, 06:24:01 PM
5976 new cases in San Diego today.  That's 64% more than yesterday.  I think it's a pandemic record.  So far.  We are starting our omicron run.  It's going to be a perilous few weeks.  I never got back to being out and about but I'm going back into self imposed lockdown.

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I have to visit it tomorrow, i'm feeling horrible today

I'm sorry to hear you are sick.
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Post by: Miss Kitty on December 30, 2021, 06:38:13 PM
I hear the rapid test isn't great at detecting the new strain.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on December 30, 2021, 11:26:54 PM
Sick.org (Irvine and NYC) will deliver PCR and rapid tests to your home. For a $25 delivery fee (test is free), they will stay there while you swab and then take the swabs back to the lab for PCR. https://sick.org/

Lots of availability from January 2 onward.

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If you don't mind paying for tests, TotalCare in the Inland Empire has lots of availability (either PCR or rapid test). We took the 15-minute test for $80. The appointments are wide open, even as I type.
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Post by: puppy on December 30, 2021, 11:36:51 PM
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This could be an even bigger game changer than mRNA vaccine that has so far been pretty amazing vs COVID and its variations (reminder that they're now being named after Greek alphabet, and Omicron is letter #15)!

There aren't 15 variants, because they skipped some Greek letters when naming the variants. But yeah, there are a lot of variants.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on December 31, 2021, 08:06:00 AM
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5976 new cases in San Diego today.  That's 64% more than yesterday.  I think it's a pandemic record.  So far.  We are starting our omicron run.  It's going to be a perilous few weeks.  I never got back to being out and about but I'm going back into self imposed lockdown.
Meanwhile, a certain NY Rep. was living it up yesterday in Miami. Likewise, with those elsewhere with the $$$$$. Hmmmm…

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on December 31, 2021, 10:47:37 AM
i canceled my trip to CES next week
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 31, 2021, 11:40:00 AM
Scientists are studying how the Omicron variant affects mice and hamsters.  According to the studies, it appears to do less damage to their lungs than previous variants.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/31/health/covid-omicron-lung-cells.html
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Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on December 31, 2021, 11:42:45 AM
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there's a testing tent in the parking lot behind the mission valley mall, by the entrance to the underground parking.
I have to visit it tomorrow, i'm feeling horrible today

I’m sorry.  Hope you do well soon.
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Post by: chocolateshake on December 31, 2021, 11:44:11 AM
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Scientists are studying how the Omicron variant affects mice and hamsters.  According to the studies, it appears to do less damage to their lungs than previous variants.

http://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/31/health/covid-omicron-lung-cells.html

Those recent studies have confirmed what Hong Kong reported earlier which was that it's more active in the upper as opposed to the lower compared to previous strains.  Here are a couple of those recent studies.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.24.474086v1
https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/embj.20105114
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on December 31, 2021, 11:53:11 AM
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I hear the rapid test isn't great at detecting the new strain.

The word out of Israel is that about 40% of children that test negative with a LFT test positive with a PCR.  IMO, a negative rapid test doesn't mean much.  A positive does.  It's just the nature of the tests.  PCR amplifies the sample.  There is an at home test that amplifies as well but that costs $70 a test.  I like to think of it in broad strokes that PCR tests whether you are infected, LFT tests whether you are infectious.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 02, 2022, 02:44:57 PM
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The word out of Israel is that about 40% of children that test negative with a LFT test positive with a PCR.  IMO, a negative rapid test doesn't mean much.  A positive does.  It's just the nature of the tests.  PCR amplifies the sample.  There is an at home test that amplifies as well but that costs $70 a test.  I like to think of it in broad strokes that PCR tests whether you are infected, LFT tests whether you are infectious.

I believe a lot of the PCR tests are giving false negatives for Omicron. For now, I would go with a positive is a positive, no matter which test picks it up. My SIL got one positive antigen at-home test, one negative rapid clinic test, two negative PCR tests. She was ill and I believe she had COVID. My MIL was also ill with symptoms that affected her body like no cold ever has. My husband is a physician and said her constellation of symptoms are not typical of a cold and she probably had COVID, but her PCR test was negative.

The FDA said, and I also believe, the part of the genome tested by some PCR tests have mutated in Omicron, making it harder for the PCR tests to pick up. Also, many centers do not swab the throat, which is where Omicron hides.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 02, 2022, 02:57:33 PM
The throat?!?! Oh dang.

I do not want to get sick. Working from home, I can work no matter what, even if I am sick.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 02, 2022, 07:10:02 PM
There's some good news out of SA about omicron.  While having delta doesn't help much to keep you from catching omicron, having omicron does seem to help you from catching delta.  Which is great news since in previous variants, being sick and recovering from one variant didn't do much to make you immune against another variant.  Omicron may offer at least some immunity against other variants.

https://www.ahri.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/MEDRXIV-2021-268439v1-Sigal_corr.pdf
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 03, 2022, 02:05:29 PM
So how is this coronavirus pandemic supposed to end?  When will it end?  Will it ever end?  According to The Associated Press Health & Science Department, supported by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education, pandemics do eventually end, even if Omicron is complicating the question of when this one will. But it won’t be like flipping a light switch: The world will have to learn to coexist with a virus that’s not going away.  So far, this variant doesn’t appear to be as deadly as some earlier variants. And those who survive it will have some refreshed protection against other forms of the virus that still are circulating — and maybe the next mutant to emerge, too.  At some point, the World Health Organization (WHO) will determine when enough countries have tamped down their Covid-19 cases sufficiently — or at least, hospitalizations and deaths — to declare the pandemic officially over. Exactly what that threshold will be isn’t clear.  Even when that happens, some parts of the world still will struggle — especially low-income countries that lack enough vaccines or treatments — while others more easily transition to what scientists call an “endemic” state, similar to what we are experiencing with the flu and the common cold now.

http://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-pandemics-591db0701abcb31c2459b7a98a46e2b7
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 03, 2022, 02:31:37 PM
My daughter has been invited to interview for a full ride scholarship. It involves flying across the country. We are both boosted. We could request Zoom, but there is a chance that could hurt her prospects as it was not offered as an option. What do you think? Would you fly with your kid for this? If she doesn't get the full ride after the interview, she still walks away with a smaller scholarship ($44000 over 4 years).
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Post by: alyssa on January 03, 2022, 02:44:15 PM
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My daughter has been invited to interview for a full ride scholarship. It involves flying across the country. We are both boosted. We could request Zoom, but there is a chance that could hurt her prospects as it was not offered as an option. What do you think? Would you fly with your kid for this? If she doesn't get the full ride after the interview, she still walks away with a smaller scholarship ($44000 over 4 years).
I would
no hesitation in my mind.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 03, 2022, 05:19:50 PM
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My daughter has been invited to interview for a full ride scholarship. It involves flying across the country. We are both boosted. We could request Zoom, but there is a chance that could hurt her prospects as it was not offered as an option. What do you think? Would you fly with your kid for this? If she doesn't get the full ride after the interview, she still walks away with a smaller scholarship ($44000 over 4 years).

If it was me, I would go.
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Post by: chocolateshake on January 03, 2022, 05:33:17 PM
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So how is this coronavirus pandemic supposed to end?  When will it end?  Will it ever end?  According to The Associated Press Health & Science Department, supported by the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education, pandemics do eventually end, even if Omicron is complicating the question of when this one will. But it won’t be like flipping a light switch: The world will have to learn to coexist with a virus that’s not going away.  So far, this variant doesn’t appear to be as deadly as some earlier variants. And those who survive it will have some refreshed protection against other forms of the virus that still are circulating — and maybe the next mutant to emerge, too.  At some point, the World Health Organization (WHO) will determine when enough countries have tamped down their Covid-19 cases sufficiently — or at least, hospitalizations and deaths — to declare the pandemic officially over. Exactly what that threshold will be isn’t clear.  Even when that happens, some parts of the world still will struggle — especially low-income countries that lack enough vaccines or treatments — while others more easily transition to what scientists call an “endemic” state, similar to what we are experiencing with the flu and the common cold now.

http://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-science-health-pandemics-591db0701abcb31c2459b7a98a46e2b7

Look to the 1918 flu for a model.  For the most part, we've been replaying that history.  The multiple surges and even the mask reluctance.  The 1918 flu ever went away.  It's here with us today.  We get vaccinated for it every year with the yearly flu shot.  It flares up occasionally.  The last big one was the swine flu breakout in 2009.  The 1918 flu pandemic ended when it became endemic.  It got there because a less virulent strain became dominant.  Sound familiar?  Hopefully omicron will be that for covid.  Then covid will join the cold and the flu as respiratory illnesses that we live with.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 03, 2022, 08:37:11 PM
The numbers reported by San Diego today are not good.  There is something funky about the number of tests reported on Mondays.  Again, they seem low.  But even overlooking that, the number of positive cases is large.  Really large.  Today the county reported that there were 8,313 positive cases yesterday.  Based on the number of tests reported, that's 61% positivity.  That's huge.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 04, 2022, 07:55:10 AM
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The numbers reported by San Diego today are not good.  There is something funky about the number of tests reported on Mondays.  Again, they seem low.  But even overlooking that, the number of positive cases is large.  Really large.  Today the county reported that there were 8,313 positive cases yesterday.  Based on the number of tests reported, that's 61% positivity.  That's huge.

The results today are from tests taken on Friday.
At least when i took my test on Friday, i was told i wouldn't get results until Tuesday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 04, 2022, 08:25:00 AM
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The numbers reported by San Diego today are not good.  There is something funky about the number of tests reported on Mondays.  Again, they seem low.  But even overlooking that, the number of positive cases is large.  Really large.  Today the county reported that there were 8,313 positive cases yesterday.  Based on the number of tests reported, that's 61% positivity.  That's huge.
I think testing is improving/getting broader in San Diego: partially because more people are getting sick, but for other reasons.  For example, my school district where I work just started weekly testing for Instrumental Music students along with winter athletes this week.  I've heard from friends and colleagues who were frantically trying to get tests scheduled/performed over the last several days (some out of caution, some because they traveled over the holidays, some because friends/family got COVID).  I think we're going to (we ARE) seeing a huge surge because Omicron is more transmissive.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 04, 2022, 09:52:35 AM
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The results today are from tests taken on Friday.
At least when i took my test on Friday, i was told i wouldn't get results until Tuesday.

Yes, there's slack in the reporting process.  The numbers the county releases today are for what was reported yesterday.  The yesterday date is just when the results were reported to the county, not when it was taken.  That is variable.  Some labs take many days to process a test.  Others can do it on the same day.  Also, people who test positive with a home test kit are supposed to report themselves to the county.  But who does that?  I think that also suppresses the reported numbers.  Those reported numbers have always been an undercount.  I wonder how much lower now because people can now easily test at home without going to a lab.  Not everyone will confirm with a PCR test.  Before home tests were widely available, some people estimated the real case count to be about 10 times higher than the reported case count.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: MickeyJack on January 04, 2022, 02:48:40 PM
My wife, daughter, and I are all teachers in the classroom. We test at home as often as once a week. Home tests are flying off the shelves here in Minnesota. It’s tempting to hoard them, but that would be wildly and irresponsibly selfish. Being in our profession, we would report a positive to the county immediately, but most people are not doing that.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 04, 2022, 07:01:21 PM
The numbers reported today by San Diego aren't much better than yesterday, 7786 positive cases out of 18903 tests.  That's 41% positive.  I was hoping yesterday was more of a fluke due to the holiday.

The hospitals in San Diego are impacted.  San Diego has had to drop the diversion policy twice in the last couple of days.  More than 80% of EDs in San Diego County were on diversion, thus it didn't make sense anymore.  There was no where to divert patients.  Ironically this is the first I've heard of that my closest hospital has not been on diversion in a year.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 05, 2022, 07:27:46 AM
i did not get results from a test I took on Friday

either they're slammed or my results are lost
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 05, 2022, 07:36:28 AM
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i did not get results from a test I took on Friday

either they're slammed or my results are lost
I heard to expect delays, they are really swamped


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 05, 2022, 12:56:48 PM
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i did not get results from a test I took on Friday

either they're slammed or my results are lost
Update on my school situation (reminder: I'm a band teacher):
* Monday early afternoon every student in band and orchestra was tested.  This will be a weekly thing for the foreseeable future.  They're tested in pools of max 10 students, min. of 6.  The tests are then run by the lab concurrently by pool, so if there is a "positive" test from a pool of ten kids, all ten kids take a 'rapid' test Wed.
* Wednesday early afternoon the pools that got a positive test have started retesting.  Looks more meticulous than Monday test: more thorough, done by the nurses rather than nurses heavily monitoring the students doing the swabs themselves Mon.  We had three pools (that I know of; we might've had more in Orchestra class that I'm unaware of, but as I don't teach that class I don't know) w/positive tests.

* my understanding is that if/when a student tests positive for the rapid test Wednesday they will be immediately sent home to quarantine, and can't come back until they furnish a negative test result, or a note from a healthcare working certifying the negative test.
* this is being done for performing arts music students (oddly, not choir at this time, or drama - we are scheduled to have our musical opening night in 3.5 weeks and choir teacher is REALLY starting to push for testing), as well as certain winter sports that are more contact-oriented such as basketball, wrestling, etc.
* testing is NOT being done on teachers.  The assumption is we're wearing our masks all-day/at all times while the band kids (students who play woodwind and brass instruments that cannot wear conventional masks in class) are in more danger of transmission.  Percussion and string students who wear masks at all times ARE being tested (though the majority of opt-outs are from percussion and string kids).
* communication to families of the positive tests is done solely through our Admin; I honestly have no idea which 'pools' of students are being retested today until they are pulled from class (a pool from a class is currently getting their rapid test as I type this - don't worry though: another teacher is on the podium teaching class as there are three of us  :P )
* weeks where there are no students on a Monday, such as MLK Jr. Day in a few weeks, will not have any testing, and testing will resume the following week (due to crazy difficult scheduling of the company/nurses who have assured us they are on an incredibly tight schedule).

FWIW this was pretty much sprung on us (and, way unfortunately, on students) way last min. Monday 20 mins before testing the first class began.  We knew this was coming, but were told as early as Monday morning  that it likely wouldn't start until next week.  SURPRISE!  I'm personally very happy about this, and most of the students didn't think it was a huge deal (several expressed gratitude about being tested regularly).  Other districts are requiring this for all winter athletes as well as extra curricular activities.

Anyway, thought I'd give a slight bit of insight to teaching band in the age of COVID  :-X
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 05, 2022, 01:22:59 PM
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i did not get results from a test I took on Friday

either they're slammed or my results are lost

Some labs are implementing a way for people to track their test like how you would track a package delivery.  The vials have barcodes on them that get scanned at each stage of the process.  So someone can look up where their test is in that process.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 05, 2022, 01:31:57 PM
The CDC seems to be repeating the same mistake they did 2 years ago.  Back then it was about masks.  We didn't have enough masks to go around so they told the public that we didn't need to wear them.  Now we don't have enough tests so the CDC is telling the public that we don't need to take them.  This latest mismessaging from the CDC concerning testing and isolation mirrors what they did around masking.  As they should have done back then, they should just be straightforward with us.  Again they are not.  I think its inexcusable that 2 years into this pandemic that the CDC still hasn't learned from it's mistakes.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on January 05, 2022, 01:43:26 PM
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The CDC seems to be repeating the same mistake they did 2 years ago.  Back then it was about masks.  We didn't have enough masks to go around so they told the public that we didn't need to wear them.  Now we don't have enough tests so the CDC is telling the public that we don't need to take them.  This latest mismessaging from the CDC concerning testing and isolation mirrors what they did around masking.  As they should have done back then, they should just be straightforward with us.  Again they are not.  I think its inexcusable that 2 years into this pandemic that the CDC still hasn't learned from it's mistakes.
Agreed


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 05, 2022, 06:50:05 PM
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Some labs are implementing a way for people to track their test like how you would track a package delivery.  The vials have barcodes on them that get scanned at each stage of the process.  So someone can look up where their test is in that process.
I'm going to go to the testing site tomorrow and find out who they are sponsored by. It's not a county site.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 05, 2022, 09:20:36 PM
I think the numbers reported in San Diego today are probably the most representative of the real overall situation.  That's because the number of tests reported is pretty much the 7 day average.  Out of 24,730 test 8,204 were positive.  That's a 33% positivity rate which is inline with other big cities.

So I've been hunkering in the house for about a week.  Today I had a weird experience.  I went outside briefly to do some yard work.  I wore a mask not because of covid, but because I always do when doing yard work due to the dust.  When I was done I threw away the mask and sat down to take off my boots.  Right then I hear a "Hello!".  It was someone selling meat door to door.  He wasn't just taking orders.  He had a truck of meat with him.  I haven't really been out and about in the last couple of years, is that a thing now?  Of course he wasn't wearing a mask.  He was also shouting to be heard.  Going door to door selling meat during a big surge in a pandemic without a mask on.  Why?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 05, 2022, 09:24:25 PM
This is what my friend said (who had Leucemia and is an organ transplant person)....and she just had COVID.

I actually think the whole thing is such a crock. And I am fully vaccinated. It's a cold at this point and it's stupid to keep shutting things down. And the fact that they all of a sudden changed the quarantine time from 10 days to 5 days because flights were getting canceled proves that they are making things up on a whim and have zero credibility.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 05, 2022, 09:42:06 PM
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 05, 2022, 09:45:30 PM
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I remember at the very beginning when everyone was all on board, staying indoors, being friendly with neighbors....and then it became political. That was really sad.

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Yeah. The we're in it together mentality really was a morale booster.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 05, 2022, 09:47:38 PM
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This is what my friend said (who had Leucemia and is an organ transplant person)....and she just had COVID.

I actually think the whole thing is such a crock. And I am fully vaccinated. It's a cold at this point and it's stupid to keep shutting things down. And the fact that they all of a sudden changed the quarantine time from 10 days to 5 days because flights were getting canceled proves that they are making things up on a whim and have zero credibility.

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Well, they do have zero credibility because they change rules for all the wrong reasons (like not enough tests, so let's not test; not enough masks, so let's not mask, etc.).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 05, 2022, 11:52:36 PM
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This is what my friend said (who had Leucemia and is an organ transplant person)....and she just had COVID.

I actually think the whole thing is such a crock. And I am fully vaccinated. It's a cold at this point and it's stupid to keep shutting things down. And the fact that they all of a sudden changed the quarantine time from 10 days to 5 days because flights were getting canceled proves that they are making things up on a whim and have zero credibility.

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Your friend is not off base about that.  I've been saying this all along.  Contrary to what the tops of public health say, their recommendations are not based solely on the science.  Their jobs are to turn science into public policy.  In the end, their jobs are political.  There was no clearer demonstration of that than the meetings about the boosters.  One clearly argued point against boosters was that it would send out the message that vaccines don't work.  This while they were trying to convince the unwilling to get vaccinated.  It was purely a political argument.  No science involved.  The same reasoning went into don't recommend masks since we don't have enough.  And now don't test since we don't have enough tests.

As for the specific case of lowering quarantine from 10 to 5 days with no negative test to end isolation, that was economic.  So many people have omicron now that the economy was in danger of shutting down.  There are so many people out that society might not be able to function.  The airline cancellations are an example of that.  It wasn't a recommendation based solely on science.  That's why they've gotten so much push back on the policy change.

I understand why they have to make these tough calls.  We can't allow society to stop working.  Not the least of which is that hospitals are one of those things that may collapse due to so many people not being able to work because they are infected.  But they should be honest about why they have to make those calls.  Don't try to snow us.  Some people have made the tough call and have been honest about it.  In some places, including at the state level in the United States, they have declared that infected and even symptomatic healthcare workers will not have to isolate and will stay on the job.  They have to.  There's no one to replace them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 06, 2022, 08:36:40 AM
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... It's a cold at this point and it's stupid to keep shutting things down. ....

it's a little more then a cold and less then the flu. I was laid up for 2-3 days. And really glad i didn't have to leave the house during those 6 days.
vax'ed and boosted.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 06, 2022, 10:30:35 AM
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This is what my friend said (who had Leucemia and is an organ transplant person)....and she just had COVID.

I actually think the whole thing is such a crock. And I am fully vaccinated. It's a cold at this point and it's stupid to keep shutting things down. And the fact that they all k
This is not entirely accurate.  My brother & sister-in-law got COVID sometime awhile back, fully vaccinated, and they've been REALLY sick for a little over 2 weeks: high fever, nausea, headaches, trouble breathing, etc.  It was never bad enough to have to seriously worry about going to the hospital, but it was definitely not "a cold," and from what by bro-in-law said to my wife "FAR worse than any flu I've ever had."

And of course, that's not saying anything about the serious long-COVID that is only slightly known.  I know someone who got COVID late Feb. 2020 who used to run marathons, Iron Man events, mountain climbing, etc.  Even now, nearly two years later, he struggles having the energy to walk a mile in his neighborhood & his doctor told him he may never be able to do any of those intensive activities ever again.  I personally have had my first "I know someone who died of COVID" experience this week.
So like nearly all aspects in life, this is obviously not a black-and-white issue: not an "I'm vaccinated so it'll be incredibly mild AND magically not be transmissible" or "I got COVID and died."  Obviously the science and statistics are on the side of vaccinated WITH booster shot to not have to go to the hospital or death (though there is a small statistic of folks that will happen to). 

Plus, we have more children in the hospital with COVID now than ever before: some of whom are too young to get a vaccination.  I know a teacher in the east/mid-west who's had a student in their district who died of COVID, and a relatively new parent that has a baby in the NICU struggling with COVID.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 06, 2022, 11:24:45 AM
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And of course, that's not saying anything about the serious long-COVID that is only slightly known.

Exactly so.  As I've said, I think we are making a mistake by making only serious illness and death the metric for success.  Especially since even there we are under considering it.  We are far enough into this pandemic that a study found that a little less than half the people that "recovered" from a serious bout of covid ended up dying in less than a year.  But that's beyond the time that it would be officially attributed to covid.

Long covid is a serious concern.  But it's being muddled in the popular messaging that omicron is the "covid cold".  People with even asymptomatic infection can develop long covid symptoms days, weeks or even months later.  Recent research has hinted at a possible mechanism.  It's not covid directly doing the damage.  Covid can cause autoimmune activation.  It may leave your immune system in a state where it attacks your own body.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 06, 2022, 02:12:48 PM
Our school district got the antigen tests in. Yay! will be picking one up tomorrow.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on January 06, 2022, 02:23:42 PM
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Exactly so.  As I've said, I think we are making a mistake by making only serious illness and death the metric for success.  Especially since even there we are under considering it.  We are far enough into this pandemic that a study found that a little less than half the people that "recovered" from a serious bout of covid ended up dying in less than a year.  But that's beyond the time that it would be officially attributed to covid.

Long covid is a serious concern.  But it's being muddled in the popular messaging that omicron is the "covid cold".  People with even asymptomatic infection can develop long covid symptoms days, weeks or even months later.  Recent research has hinted at a possible mechanism.  It's not covid directly doing the damage.  Covid can cause autoimmune activation.  It may leave your immune system in a state where it attacks your own body.

^^^^^^^ This.

I've heard stories from 2 people who had mild cases:

1.  The person hasn't been able to taste for months.
2.  The person feels terrible about every other week with what feels like a bad cold for months.

Needless to say it is wearing on them heavily.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 07, 2022, 08:24:27 AM
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Our school district got the antigen tests in. Yay! will be picking one up tomorrow.
Our district also just got the rapid tests in this week; each student will take the kit home today.  It's gonna be a long month, I suspect...  :-X
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on January 07, 2022, 09:34:42 AM
in stock
https://www.walmart.com/ip/BinaxNOW-COVID-19-Antigen-Self-Test-2-Count/142089281

and out of stock in less then 5 min's

and now it's back in stock --- yeah, the alert is going to be turned off soon LOL

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 07, 2022, 11:20:50 AM
Production on Picard seasons 2 and 3 was shutdown on Monday when 50+ members, including cast, of the production tested positive for covid after returning from winter break.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/star-trek-picard-positive-covid-production-omicron-1235070987/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on January 07, 2022, 11:51:33 AM
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Production on Picard seasons 2 and 3 was shutdown on Monday when 50+ members, including cast, of the production tested positive for covid after returning from winter break.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/star-trek-picard-positive-covid-production-omicron-1235070987/
Holy cow!! That is nuts!

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 07, 2022, 01:23:19 PM
My SIL, niece, nephew, and MIL have had COVID since the day after Christmas. This is quite a long, drawn-out illness. Not the flu. All adults had been vaccinated and boosted. Niece and nephew had 2 shots each.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 07, 2022, 05:48:47 PM
Fallon, Meyers and Corden all have covid.  I wonder if Kimmel will join the club.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/01/fallon-meyers-corden-covid-positive
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 08, 2022, 12:34:45 PM
Some stats courtesy of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health via the Los Angeles Times:

In L.A. County, 75% of residents of all ages have received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine, and 67% are fully vaccinated. About one-quarter of the county’s residents have received a booster dose.

The Omicron variant now accounts for more than 85% of analyzed cases in L.A. County.

While breakthrough infections among vaccinated and boosted people are becoming more common because of Omicron, unvaccinated people are still far more likely to be infected. During the week that ended Dec. 25, unvaccinated county residents were four times more likely to report a coronavirus infection than vaccinated people who had gotten a booster.

That week, out of every 100,000 unvaccinated people in L.A. County, 991 were confirmed to have the coronavirus. For every 100,000 people who were fully vaccinated, but not boosted, there were 588 new cases. And for every 100,000 who had gotten a booster shot, there were 254 new cases.

Unvaccinated L.A. County residents were 38 times more likely to need hospitalization than boosted people and nine times more likely than those who were vaccinated but not boosted.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 09, 2022, 11:03:50 PM
IMO, the new rules for healthcare workers in California are unnecessarily complicated.

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Healthcare workers who are exposed to COVID-19 and are asymptomatic may return to work immediately without quarantining and testing, and those who test positive and are asymptomatic may return to work immediately without isolation and without testing.

So as long as you feel good, just keep on working.  Why didn't they just say that?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 10, 2022, 12:08:33 PM
Pfizer says they hope to have human studies of their Omicron-tailored vaccine begin in January and have the vaccine ready by March.

“Pfizer Inc's (NYSE: PFE) CEO Albert Bourla said that the omicron-targeted vaccine of COVID-19 will be ready in March, and the Company has already begun manufacturing the doses.

“‘This vaccine will be ready in March," Bourla told CNBC's "Squawk Box." "We [are] already starting manufacturing some of these quantities at risk."
Bourla said the vaccine would also target the other variants that are circulating. He said it is still not clear whether or not an omicron vaccine is needed or how it would be used, but Pfizer will have some doses ready since some countries want it ready as soon as possible.”
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 10, 2022, 01:25:46 PM
Moderna also said earlier that it's omicron vaccine will be entering clinical trials soon.  Hopefully they will both be available at about the same time.  I'd prefer to get a Moderna vaccine next time.  There have been another set of numbers released that show that Moderna is best.  This time from Singapore.  The numbers are even more stark separating out Moderna.  It's basically Moderna on top and then everything else.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2245095/singapore-breaks-down-covid-deaths-by-vaccine-with-moderna-seeing-lowest-rate
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 10, 2022, 08:43:19 PM
Covid case reporting has been spotty these last few days.  There wasn't an update on Friday about Thursday cases.  San Diego is sticking to banker's hours even though we are in the biggest surge of the pandemic.  So there weren't reports over the weekend.  Tonight San Diego reported that there were 19,009 cases on Friday.  17,507 cases on Saturday.  Only 12,563 cases yesterday.  San Diego sent out a text alert tonight that reporting is delayed.  I guess they need the extra time to count up all those cases.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 11, 2022, 08:47:37 PM
It’s not enough to make variant-targeting vaccines.  You also have to target vaccines to developing countries as well.  That’s where 100% of the new variants are coming from.  What good is a variant-targeting vaccine if the world community doesn’t get the developing world vaccinated?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 12, 2022, 08:42:34 AM
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It’s not enough to make variant-targeting vaccines.  You also have to target vaccines to developing countries as well.  That’s where 100% of the new variants are coming from.  What good is a variant-targeting vaccine if the world community doesn’t get the developing world vaccinated?

Alpha came out of the UK.  The first strain of covid that swept the US was also from Europe.  The original Wuhan strain was never a factor in the US.  We banned flights from China but when covid first hit hard here, it came out of Europe.  That's why New York was the original big hotspot in the US.  That's also why flight bans have limited utility.

Variants can come out of anywhere.  I do agree that in a ideal world that developing countries would also have good vaccine access.  Unfortunately, this is the real world.  That doesn't happen.  Rich countries will continue to hoard vaccines.  Poor countries will continue to go wanting.  We will all continue to be at risk because of that.  That's one thing that's been lost in this omicron surge.  It does really seem more mild so people aren't as concerned that so many people are infected.  More infected people means more variants.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 12, 2022, 08:49:42 AM
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Alpha came out of the UK.  The first strain of covid that swept the US was also from Europe.  The original Wuhan strain was never a factor in the US.  We banned flights from China but when covid first hit hard here, it came out of Europe.  That's why New York was the original big hotspot in the US.  That's also why flight bans have limited utility.

Variants can come out of anywhere.  I do agree that in a ideal world that developing countries would also have good vaccine access.  Unfortunately, this is the real world.  That doesn't happen.  Rich countries will continue to hoard vaccines.  Poor countries will continue to go wanting.  We will all continue to be at risk because of that.  That's one thing that's been lost in this omicron surge.  It does really seem more mild so people aren't as concerned that so many people are infected.  More infected people means more variants.
Feels like we're headed towards an annual "COVID vaccine/booster" shot (which was predicted way back when) where scientists guesstimate what we'll need, and maybe do a mid-year booster if they need a 'hard correct' type of thing.  I've never gotten a flu vaccine, as I feel as a teacher of 20+ years my immune system ROCKS, but I will happily get an annual COVID booster/vaccine/shot
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 12, 2022, 12:09:54 PM
We get frequent emails updating 'us' (faculty & parents) regarding COVID numbers in our school.  These are broad public records w/out any details, just numbers.  We got:
* Tuesday 1/11 7am - "there are 23 COVID cases, 14 'school based' (student or faculty), 9 'community based' (parent/family member, younger sibling in the house, etc)
* Tuesday 1/11 2:25 - "there are 22 COVID cases, w/majority 'school based.'
Last Friday = 75 individuals (this was likely a compilation for the entire week).

Prior to last week, the most I saw in one email was 4.

On the positive note, in our instrumental music department the number of COVID cases is MUCH smaller right now than last week.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 13, 2022, 11:45:40 AM
According to the poop watchers, omicron may have already peaked at least in some parts of the United States.  It's showing that characteristic steep drop off.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 14, 2022, 12:27:57 PM
The government will start taking orders for free covid tests on the 19th.

https://www.covidtests.gov/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 14, 2022, 06:26:24 PM
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According to the poop watchers, omicron may have already peaked at least in some parts of the United States.  It's showing that characteristic steep drop off.

Our sewers and septic tanks don’t lie!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 14, 2022, 06:50:28 PM
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Alpha came out of the UK.  The first strain of covid that swept the US was also from Europe.  The original Wuhan strain was never a factor in the US.  We banned flights from China but when covid first hit hard here, it came out of Europe.  That's why New York was the original big hotspot in the US.  That's also why flight bans have limited utility.

Maybe I’m wrong but I think that was because the entire world was unvaccinated, so of course a variant can evolve anywhere.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 15, 2022, 12:47:54 PM
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Maybe I’m wrong but I think that was because the entire world was unvaccinated, so of course a variant can evolve anywhere.

You're right.  That was before vaccinations.  But so was every major variant until omicron.  Delta also emerged in 2020 before vaccinations were widely available.

That's the big difference with omicron.  Alpha and delta bubbled along for months before they took the world by storm.  It was pretty bad in India for months before the world press gave it the attention it deserved.

Omicron was first found in South Africa where over 90% of the population has covid antibodies.  So effectively they could be considered "vaccinated".  That didn't stop omicron.  Stopping serious illness and death isn't enough.  We have to stop infections.  Even an asymptomatic infection can lead to a variant.  Which is the thing that's been underplayed with omicron.  Yes it does look to be more mild but because it's so contagious a lot more people are getting infected.  Which increases the opportunities for variants to emerge.  Even in populations that are highly vaccinated.  Israel has already found 20 variants of omicron. One of which, BA.2, has already started it's spread around the world.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on January 16, 2022, 10:02:10 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/16/business/economy/china-supply-chain-covid-lockdowns.html

“Supply Chain Woes Could Worsen as China Imposes New Covid Lockdowns”

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We have to stop infections.  Even an asymptomatic infection can lead to a variant.
Until that miracle drug comes out, you are asking for the impossible.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 16, 2022, 11:38:15 PM
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Until that miracle drug comes out, you are asking for the impossible.

Hoping for that miracle drug has been the problem.  The best defense we have against covid has been with us all along.  Masks.  No variant has yet to defeat them.  Before they gave up on the vast majority of Americans wearing them, pubic health used to say that vaccines alone would not be enough.  As has been shown so far, they aren't.  Countries where the vast majority of the population, over 90%, reliably wear high quality masks tend to have low transmission, even before vaccines.  Combine high quality mask wearing with vaccines and the impossible is possible.  We can't stop transmission altogether at this point.  But cutting it down from 50% of the population getting infected to 5% greatly reduces the opportunity for variants.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on January 18, 2022, 08:56:33 AM
I checked out the US government site for ordering free rapid tests just now. It's supposed to go live tomorrow, but it seems to already be working. I was able to input an order and receive a confirmation from USPS. (Although no tests will ship for a couple weeks still. Seemed like I might as well get in line.)

It's here if anyone else wants to check it out: https://www.covidtests.gov/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on January 18, 2022, 09:08:23 AM
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I checked out the US government site for ordering free rapid tests just now. It's supposed to go live tomorrow, but it seems to already be working. I was able to input an order and receive a confirmation from USPS. (Although no tests will ship for a couple weeks still. Seemed like I might as well get in line.)

It's here if anyone else wants to check it out: https://www.covidtests.gov/

@semigeekgirl (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1291)  Where did you click on the site? I cannot find an ordering click thru.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on January 18, 2022, 09:25:21 AM
@marcia29 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=352) For me it's just a big blue button right on the front page that says "order free at home covid tests". Left side of the page, across from the picture of the USPS van.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on January 18, 2022, 09:33:45 AM
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@semigeekgirl (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1291)  Where did you click on the site? I cannot find an ordering click thru.

@semigeekgirl (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1291)  Went back and the button magically appeared. Ordered. Thank you!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 18, 2022, 09:48:53 AM
I ordered my free COVID test kits!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 18, 2022, 09:55:09 AM
This works too: https://special.usps.com/testkits
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on January 18, 2022, 11:27:31 AM
Placed my order too, thanks @semigeekgirl (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1291) !
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miclpea on January 18, 2022, 12:37:25 PM
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I checked out the US government site for ordering free rapid tests just now. It's supposed to go live tomorrow, but it seems to already be working. I was able to input an order and receive a confirmation from USPS. (Although no tests will ship for a couple weeks still. Seemed like I might as well get in line.)

It's here if anyone else wants to check it out: https://www.covidtests.gov/
Thank you!!!


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 18, 2022, 08:10:05 PM
Placed it this morning after a saw an article in the Washington Post that the site went live 24 hours sooner than expected.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 18, 2022, 08:22:37 PM
I think it's remarkable that not only did the site not crash, it didn't even slow down.  Considering past large government launches, I was expecting the worst.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 18, 2022, 10:13:31 PM
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I think it's remarkable that not only did the site not crash, it didn't even slow down.  Considering past large government launches, I was expecting the worst.

Same here.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on January 19, 2022, 07:08:21 AM
I also got notification the site went up early and was able to place my order, now just waiting for the ones I bought through Walmart to arrive so that I can get reimbursed through Kaiser for those.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 19, 2022, 07:57:37 AM
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I also got notification the site went up early and was able to place my order, now just waiting for the ones I bought through Walmart to arrive so that I can get reimbursed through Kaiser for those.


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How do we get reimbursed? I get the runaround from them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 19, 2022, 12:42:38 PM
The US government will start handing out N95 masks for free starting late next week.  3 masks per person available at pharmacies.  I don't know why they just don't ship them with the test kits.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on January 19, 2022, 01:09:36 PM
Over here in the UK all covid restrictions are coming off (again) from next week. No more work from home or vaccine passports or masks in public places (except London transport).

While our positive tests seem high (and they are), the positivity rate is dropping by 20% or so each day. Patients in hospital at its lowest since October.

Goodness knows how this will go. But here we are.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on January 19, 2022, 01:37:43 PM
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The US government will start handing out N95 masks for free starting late next week.  3 masks per person available at pharmacies.  I don't know why they just don't ship them with the test kits.

I'm particular about masks. Not all of them fit the way I like, so I prefer to buy my own masks. Maybe that's why.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on January 19, 2022, 02:17:35 PM
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How do we get reimbursed? I get the runaround from them.

You have to go through your health insurance company. For instance, here's how to do it if you have Blue Shield of California:
https://www.blueshieldca.com/bsca/bsc/wcm/connect/sites/sites_content_en/coronavirus/how-to-file-claim-covid-test-reimbursement

I found that by googling "[name of my insurance company]+ 'reimburse rapid test'", but YMMV.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 19, 2022, 03:02:35 PM
There are signs Omicron rises in California are starting to slow down.  Here in Orange Country, the positivity infection rate, although high, has remained flat over the last several days.
The rate at which California’s coronavirus tests are coming back positive has also started to decline. For the seven-day period that ended Jan. 10, California hit a record positive test rate of 23.1%. Since then, the rate fell to 21.5% for the seven-day period that ended Saturday. The rate is still very high; by comparison, in early December, it was around 2%.
A similar trend is holding for Los Angeles County. L.A. County’s seven-day positive result rate may have peaked at 22.7% for the seven-day period that ended Jan. 3; for the weekly period that ended Tuesday, the positivity rate was 16.3%. In the first week of December, it was around 1%.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-01-19/growing-signs-omicron-is-leveling-off-in-california
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 19, 2022, 09:09:52 PM
In San Diego too.   The rate is still really high but on consecutive days it's below the 7 day average of 29%.  Not much below but still below.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 20, 2022, 09:42:39 PM
I jinxed it.  Today the positivity rate is 34% with many more cases, 14000, compared to the last few days at around 10000.  I was hoping for a downturn so that I can make a grocery run.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on January 20, 2022, 11:56:39 PM
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I jinxed it.  Today the positivity rate is 34% with many more cases, 14000, compared to the last few days at around 10000.  I was hoping for a downturn so that I can make a grocery run.
If you need supplies very soon just go get the items, or find a way to get them.

I masked up and saw No Way Home 5 times in packed theaters last month. I recently saw Scream. I have also done many grocery runs since Omicron became a thing. My area is no better than yours. Like you said masks work, especially the right ones. I know you use the right ones.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on January 21, 2022, 09:21:33 AM
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I jinxed it.  Today the positivity rate is 34% with many more cases, 14000, compared to the last few days at around 10000.  I was hoping for a downturn so that I can make a grocery run.
FWIW Amazon Fresh, and Target pick-up, are amazing.  We've been doing that the entire pandemic, since March 2020 (though we go to our local Trader Joes a bit nowadays) and you can schedule specific day/deliver window times with minimal issues finding what we need.  My wife is vegan and my kids are uber picky eaters and  we've had relatively few issues over the last almost-two years of doing this at least weekly.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on January 21, 2022, 09:30:26 AM
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FWIW Amazon Fresh, and Target pick-up, are amazing.  We've been doing that the entire pandemic, since March 2020 (though we go to our local Trader Joes a bit nowadays) and you can schedule specific day/deliver window times with minimal issues finding what we need.  My wife is vegan and my kids are uber picky eaters and  we've had relatively few issues over the last almost-two years of doing this at least weekly.

Past few weeks my amazon fresh has been out of a lot of stuff so I haven't order, it has definitely been nice during the pandemic.  I was also doing pick-up for king Soopers but now I can't cross the picket line and Safeway is wiped out. 
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 21, 2022, 09:33:12 PM
My mainstay through most of the pandemic was Walmart drive up.  Drive up, pop the trunk and they would fill it with your order.  That worked great most of the time.  At the peak it took 2 or 3 different trips to Walmart to actually be able to pick up the order.  They were so backed up and the line of cars was so long.  A rep gave me the tip that I could drop by anytime after my reserved time.  I didn't need to be there at the scheduled time.  So I would go right before they stopped for the day when it wasn't busy.  I stopped once everyone was in the house was vaccinated and I've been shopping in store since.

San Diego stat reporting is so messed up now.  As of yesterday they will report positive case numbers 5 days a week.  But they will only report the number of tests 2 days a week.  Making it cumbersome to figure out what the positivity rate is.  The 7 day average is contradictory.  There's an up arrow saying it's trending up, but the number is dropping.  How can it be trending up if the rate is dropping?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on January 22, 2022, 07:49:37 PM
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My mainstay through most of the pandemic was Walmart drive up.  Drive up, pop the trunk and they would fill it with your order.  That worked great most of the time.  At the peak it took 2 or 3 different trips to Walmart to actually be able to pick up the order.  They were so backed up and the line of cars was so long.  A rep gave me the tip that I could drop by anytime after my reserved time.  I didn't need to be there at the scheduled time.  So I would go right before they stopped for the day when it wasn't busy.  I stopped once everyone was in the house was vaccinated and I've been shopping in store since.

San Diego stat reporting is so messed up now.  As of yesterday they will report positive case numbers 5 days a week.  But they will only report the number of tests 2 days a week.  Making it cumbersome to figure out what the positivity rate is.  The 7 day average is contradictory.  There's an up arrow saying it's trending up, but the number is dropping.  How can it be trending up if the rate is dropping?

Best thing ever.  I've been using Target and Vons drive up.  After the pandemic I'm going to use these forever.  Saves so much time.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 23, 2022, 03:55:26 PM
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I jinxed it.  Today the positivity rate is 34% with many more cases, 14000, compared to the last few days at around 10000.  I was hoping for a downturn so that I can make a grocery run.

The positivity infection rate in Orange County dropped from 27.4% on Thursday to 26.5% Friday.  In Los Angeles County, it's 17%.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: marcia29 on January 25, 2022, 01:08:36 PM
Our box of 4 free tests just arrived.  All in one small box. Placed in the mailbox.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 25, 2022, 01:21:32 PM
According to Dow Jones, both Pfizer and Moderna are working on a Omicron-tailored vaccine.

Pfizer Begins Study Testing Omicron Vaccine in People -- Update

12:27 pm ET January 25, 2022 (Dow Jones)
By Jared S. Hopkins
Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE have started a trial evaluating an adapted version of their Covid-19 vaccine that targets the Omicron variant of the coronavirus.

The drugmakers said Tuesday they began enrolling adults ages 18 to 55 in the U.S. and South Africa to examine the safety, tolerability and immune response generated by the vaccine if it is given either as a primary series or as a booster dose.

One subject has already received the shot, Pfizer said.

Initial study results are expected in the first half of the year, Pfizer said. The drugmaker could ask U.S. regulators for authorization and begin distribution in March, should the Omicron-targeted shot prove to work safely, Chief Executive Albert Bourla has said.

Should the vaccine be needed, Pfizer and BioNTech would still be able to manufacture 4 billion doses of the shot this year, the companies said.

Moderna Inc. plans to start a clinical trial of its Omicron-specific vaccine candidate within days, a company spokeswoman said.

Vaccine makers have been racing to tweak their Covid-19 shots to target Omicron since the variant began sweeping the globe and causing a surge in cases.

Laboratory studies have found that Covid-19 vaccines provide less protection against Omicron than previous strains. Yet a third dose of certain vaccines, administered as a booster, neutralized Omicron in lab tests.

U.S. health authorities have said that Omicron-targeted shots might not be needed, citing the activity of boosters found so far against Omicron in lab tests. Another variable: Future variants might not be descendants of Omicron.

Pfizer and BioNTech say they want to be prepared with an Omicron vaccine, should regulators and researchers determine one is needed.

"Staying vigilant against the virus requires us to identify new approaches for people to maintain a high level of protection, and we believe developing and investigating variant-based vaccines, like this one, are essential in our efforts to work towards this goal," said Dr. Kathrin Jansen, who leads vaccine R&D at Pfizer.

Pfizer and BioNTech have studied versions of their vaccines targeting the Beta and Delta variants, although they haven't been cleared for use by regulators.

In the new study, the companies said they would test how the vaccine performs in three groups of volunteers. Some of the subjects will come from the study that led to the current vaccine's clearance in 2020.

Researchers plan to enroll up to 615 people who received the two-dose primary series of the current vaccine three to six months before enrollment. The subjects will receive either one dose of the Omicron-based vaccine, two doses four weeks apart from each other, or a third dose of the current vaccine.

Additionally, researchers will enroll up to 600 people who received three doses of the current vaccine three to six months ago. These subjects will receive either one dose of the Omicron vaccine or a fourth dose of the current shot.

About 200 additional subjects who haven't received any vaccine will receive two doses of the Omicron-based vaccine three weeks apart, and a third dose six months later.

--Peter Loftus contributed to this article.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on January 25, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
By the time the vaccine is available, Omicron will already have gone through the vast majority of the world's population.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 25, 2022, 07:16:20 PM
It looks like San Diego may have peaked. For the last 5 days the case numbers have been 14K, 10K, 7K, 5K and 6K.  Positivity has gone from the low 30% range to the low 20% range.

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Our box of 4 free tests just arrived.  All in one small box. Placed in the mailbox.

Same for us.  Shipped from Kansas.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 26, 2022, 11:59:20 AM
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By the time the vaccine is available, Omicron will already have gone through the vast majority of the world's population.

A large portion at least.  But that doesn't mean an omicron vaccine isn't needed.  As the 4th dose data out of Israel indicates, we are at the point of diminishing returns getting a boost from vaccines based on the original strain.  Compared to omicron, it's sufficiently different.  Based on the high number of omicron infections, chances are the next variant may be a descendant of it's lineage and an omicron vaccine will be more effective than what we have now.

About omicron infections, a large study out of the UK, found that 65% of the people who got infected with omicron had covid before.  Most omicron infections are reinfections.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 27, 2022, 04:05:03 PM
If any of you don't believe the positivity infection rate in Orange County is going down because not everybody tests for Covid-19 and that home tests are not reported, according to local Orange County scientists, our poop don't lie!

http://www.ocregister.com/2022/01/27/what-our-poop-is-telling-us-about-the-omicron-surge
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 31, 2022, 01:15:40 AM
A mutated version of the Omicron variant called BA.2 or “Stealth Omicron,” could slow the steep decline in cases, but it is not likely to change the overall course of the pandemic, scientists said.  Currently it makes up 8% of all cases in the U.S.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/health/stealth-omicron-variant.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on January 31, 2022, 10:58:40 AM
There are always going to be new variants. This will never end. That's why this is endemic.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 31, 2022, 11:02:36 AM
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A mutated version of the Omicron variant called BA.2 or “Stealth Omicron,” could slow the steep decline in cases, but it is not likely to change the overall course of the pandemic, scientists said.  Currently it makes up 8% of all cases in the U.S.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/health/stealth-omicron-variant.html?action=click&module=RelatedLinks&pgtype=Article

I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago.  As with the other omicron, it's quickly sweeping the world.  If the initial data holds up it will replace BA.1, the omicron we all know today.  It appears to be more contagious than BA.1, possibly 50% more.  Back when alpha was 50% more contagious than the original strain, it was a big deal.  But as it is with the law of large numbers, 50% more than a lot is still a lot.

It's not really a mutated version of omicron, it's a sibling.  Both BA.1 and BA.2 evolved from a common ancestor, not one from the other.  A new study adds credence to the theory that omicron evolved in mice.  The theory is that a mouse population caught covid from people, it evolved and then they gave it back.  A few days ago a study out of Hong Kong discussed known cases of hamsters with covid infecting people.  That's why they are culling hamsters related to a pet store outbreak in HK.  So transmission between different species is not as rare as we thought.  Which also lends credence that China is right and that covid evolved naturally in bats.  Which makes covid impossible to stop.  Even if we could eradicated it completely in humans, it would still be circulating in animal populations.  In the US, covid is wide spread in deer.  So even if completely eliminated in humans, it can just leap back to us from animals.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 31, 2022, 01:19:01 PM
Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former FDA commissioner and CNBC contributor, told CNBC's “Squawk Box” that people who got sick from Omicron should have some degree of protection against the newer BA.2 variant.  He also said preliminary results not peer-reviewed in the U.K. showed that people who got boosted have slightly more protection against the newer BA.2 variant than the original Omicron variant.  He cautions it’s a small sample.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on January 31, 2022, 05:37:00 PM
Cases here in San Diego continue to drop.  Only a little over 2,000 cases yesterday.  That's a steep drop off in only a week.  It's about 1/10th of the cases from 3 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 31, 2022, 08:10:08 PM
A Pfizer shot for babies between six months and four years old could be available as soon as the end of February.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/31/coronavirus-vaccine-children-under-5
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on January 31, 2022, 08:24:05 PM
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Cases here in San Diego continue to drop.  Only a little over 2,000 cases yesterday.  That's a steep drop off in only a week.  It's about 1/10th of the cases from 3 weeks ago.

On January 29, Orange County’s infection rate dropped from 23.3% to 19.6%.  We’re now down to 18.2%, below our previous record high of 19.7% that we reached last year.  Earlier this month, we were as high as 27.9%.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 01, 2022, 01:10:11 PM
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Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former FDA commissioner and CNBC contributor, told CNBC's “Squawk Box” that people who got sick from Omicron should have some degree of protection against the newer BA.2 variant.  He also said preliminary results not peer-reviewed in the U.K. showed that people who got boosted have slightly more protection against the newer BA.2 variant than the original Omicron variant.  He cautions it’s a small sample.

The data out of Denmark shows the opposite of that.  BA.2 is more contagious than omicron across the board.  People fully vaccinated and boosted are 3 times more likely to be infected by BA.2 than omicron.  The good news is that people infected with BA.2 are less likely to spread it than omicron.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.28.22270044v1

Another issue is that the hope has been that omicron would enable natural heard immunity and thus end the pandemic.  That doesn't appear to be the case.  As having delta didn't confer much immunity against omicron.  Omicron may not infer that much immunity against BA.2.  Especially since omicron infections tend to be mild.  The milder the infection the lower the amount of immunity.  Many omicron cases are so mild that the concern is that they might not even confer much immunity against reinfection with omicron.  So getting vaccinated is still a very smart thing to do.

BA.2 is so different from omicron that it just may get it's own greek letter.  BA.1 and BA.2 are about as different as earlier variants were from one another.

BA.2 is quickly becoming dominate over omicron in many countries.  It's quickly becoming a large factor in the US.  I think I'll go out and about to run errands this week.  It seems like we are in the lull between omicron and BA.2.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on February 01, 2022, 07:24:42 PM
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

“A Literature Review and Meta-Analysis of the Effects of Lockdowns on COVID-19 Mortality”
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 09, 2022, 11:17:41 AM
CA is lifting its indoor mask mandate next week, Feb. 15th.  They've also raised the limits for large indoor groups.  School masking mandates are still in place, though CDPH is reviewing policy for a potential change down the road.  Some counties will maintain their own stricter guidance.

I suspect this type of thing is what CCI has been waiting for as far as WonderCon is planning is concerned; with the limitations in large indoor events expanding they can better gauge/prep for ticket sales and whatnot.  Orange County & San Diego County do not have any additional restrictions other than the CDPH state mandates
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on February 09, 2022, 12:14:24 PM
The question is, what are the convention center's requirements?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 09, 2022, 12:25:30 PM
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The question is, what are the convention center's requirements?
For San Diego: https://www.visitsandiego.com/reopening-faqs#:~:text=For%20events%20with%20500%2B%20attendees,days%20for%20a%20PCR%20test.

I'm not sure of Anaheim's at this time; their site is a little less easy to find the most up-to-date COVID info. I will say Anaheim as a whole has been a LOT more lax about CDPH guidelines in general, and will likely have the most basic requirements from the state.  CCI _could_ have their own stricter mandates for WonderCon if they so choose.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 09, 2022, 02:07:12 PM
I think the handwriting is on the wall.  While the CDC is putting up some token resistance, the world has decided it's over covid.  Other than China which is still trying to eradicate it.  Fauci said this yesterday in an interview with the FT, "‘Full blown’ pandemic phase of Covid nearly over in US".  He's preparing for the next pandemic, "Fauci said his agency is planning for the next pandemic, focusing on monitoring viruses and families of viruses that are known to create severe illness."

In a surprising tidbit, when I went to Walmart yesterday, they were handing out N95 masks at the door to people who didn't have masks.  Normally stores hand out cheap procedure masks.  Not Walmart yesterday, they were handing out 3M N95s.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on February 09, 2022, 02:58:00 PM
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I think the handwriting is on the wall.  While the CDC is putting up some token resistance, the world has decided it's over covid.  Other than China which is still trying to eradicate it.  Fauci said this yesterday in an interview with the FT, "‘Full blown’ pandemic phase of Covid nearly over in US".  He's preparing for the next pandemic, "Fauci said his agency is planning for the next pandemic, focusing on monitoring viruses and families of viruses that are known to create severe illness."

In a surprising tidbit, when I went to Walmart yesterday, they were handing out N95 masks at the door to people who didn't have masks.  Normally stores hand out cheap procedure masks.  Not Walmart yesterday, they were handing out 3M N95s.

This tracks the government sent out 400 Million N95's.  So it's not your Walmart that stepped up, you should have grabbed a few, they are for the public.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 09, 2022, 03:19:51 PM
They may be waiting for the mask mandate to lift indoors for vaxxed peeps. But that probably won't change for large crowds. I am going to guess that WC will still require masks for everyone. They will still require masks at CCM, so if the museum will require them, WC would surely ask everyone. Even if the convention center is a little more lax.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Old Man Grey on February 09, 2022, 03:31:20 PM
Why would Wonder Con require masks if the State doesn't? Enough is enough.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 09, 2022, 03:39:07 PM
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Why would Wonder Con require masks if the State doesn't? Enough is enough.
The mandate coming up will be maskless for vaccinated people. So let's be honest. How many non vaccinated people will go maskless? Like every single one. The ones wearing masks are the vaxxed peeps knowing everyone maskless are most likely not vaxxed.

I'd like to be able to not wear masks. But it's a thing. It's just a fact that non vaxxed people tend to get covid more often and spread it around because they don't want to wear masks or quarantine if they do find out they have it. So yeah, enough is enough.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on February 09, 2022, 03:45:33 PM
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The mandate coming up will be maskless for vaccinated people. So let's be honest. How many non vaccinated people will go maskless? Like every single one. The ones wearing masks are the vaxxed peeps knowing everyone maskless are most likely not vaxxed.

I'd like to be able to not wear masks. But it's a thing. It's just a fact that non vaxxed people tend to get covid more often and spread it around because they don't want to wear masks or quarantine if they do find out they have it. So yeah, enough is enough.

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100% If I see someone with a mask and it's not mandated I assume they are vaccinated! Let's stop holding the world hostage by not getting vaccinated and refusing to wear masks! 

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: dolphina on February 09, 2022, 05:54:45 PM
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The mandate coming up will be maskless for vaccinated people. So let's be honest. How many non vaccinated people will go maskless? Like every single one. The ones wearing masks are the vaxxed peeps knowing everyone maskless are most likely not vaxxed.

I'd like to be able to not wear masks. But it's a thing. It's just a fact that non vaxxed people tend to get covid more often and spread it around because they don't want to wear masks or quarantine if they do find out they have it. So yeah, enough is enough.

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I completely agree with you. Even though I am vaccinated when we didn’t have the state mandate I still went masked, why? Because I knew that a large percentage of unvaccinated people were not going to wear masks if they didn’t have to :(
The last thing CCI wants is any of their conventions being super spreader events.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on February 09, 2022, 06:02:47 PM
IMO, WCA and SDCC will most likely still require masks to enter this year. But I could be wrong.

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Other than China which is still trying to eradicate it.
Sure, locking people in their homes and/or silencing someone will do the trick.  ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 09, 2022, 07:14:46 PM
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This tracks the government sent out 400 Million N95's.  So it's not your Walmart that stepped up, you should have grabbed a few, they are for the public.

The ones that Walmart was handing out weren't those.  I haven't found a single place in San Diego that has them yet.  I've been trying.  Is there a website that lists which pharmacy's have them?  You don't have to ring the dinner bell twice for me to come get free Auras.

The ones that the government sends out are loose packs.  The ones Walmart was handing out were in a retail box.  They also weren't medical N95s but industrial.  They were the coolflows which have a valve.  I checked the store pharmacy to see if they did have any of the government N95s, they didn't.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 09, 2022, 07:17:27 PM
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... or silencing someone will do the trick.  ;)

Why didn't it work here?  Harassed, fired and then raided all because she dared to tell the truth about covid.

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-data-scientist-ousted-over-covid-controversy-raided-state-police-they-pointed-guns-my-1552989
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on February 09, 2022, 07:53:54 PM
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The ones that Walmart was handing out weren't those.  I haven't found a single place in San Diego that has them yet.  I've been trying.  Is there a website that lists which pharmacy's have them?  You don't have to ring the dinner bell twice for me to come get free Auras.

The ones that the government sends out are loose packs.  The ones Walmart was handing out were in a retail box.  They also weren't medical N95s but industrial.  They were the coolflows which have a valve.  I checked the store pharmacy to see if they did have any of the government N95s, they didn't.

Okay
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on February 09, 2022, 08:24:12 PM
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Why didn't it work here?  Harassed, fired and then raided all because she dared to tell the truth about covid.

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-data-scientist-ousted-over-covid-controversy-raided-state-police-they-pointed-guns-my-1552989
Are you saying Florida is like the Chinese government? Also, I respectfully recommend that you don’t trust with what she said there. For instance, body-cam showed no one pointed guns at anyone during that raid. Also, she got raided because employee personal information was accessed and stolen, and it was traced back to her. One FL judge signed off the search warrant while another one upheld the decision. If you are wondering, the governor had nothing to do with the raid. What she was saying about Florida and Covid was also disproven with actual facts.

Lastly, how come other states are now suddenly trying to copy Florida’s open playbook? Sure, the midterms are coming up. Maybe it was that one study saying lockdowns did nothing that got things going. But why have so many people from other “lockdown” states moved to or visited Florida during the pandemic?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 09, 2022, 09:53:18 PM
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Are you saying Florida is like the Chinese government? Also, I respectfully recommend that you don’t trust with what she said there. For instance, body-cam showed no one pointed guns at anyone during that raid. Also, she got raided because employee personal information was accessed and stolen, and it was traced back to her. One FL judge signed off the search warrant while another one upheld the decision. If you are wondering, the governor had nothing to do with the raid. What she was saying about Florida and Covid was also disproven with actual facts.

What facts are those?

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2020.306130

She's not the only public health official that was pressured into downplaying covid in the US.  It happened all over the country at every level.  From
federal to state to local.  Many public health officials found themselves looking for other jobs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/09/trump-officials-bragged-about-pressuring-cdc-to-alter-covid-reports-emails-reveal-.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/public-health-officials-face-political-pressures-in-navigating-communities-through-pandemic/ar-AATDh1W
https://news.wosu.org/coronavirus/2021-10-21/madison-county-health-officials-felt-pressured-by-prosecutor-to-change-school-quarantine-protocols
https://khn.org/news/public-health-officials-are-quitting-or-getting-fired-amid-pandemic/

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Lastly, how come other states are now suddenly trying to copy Florida’s open playbook? Sure, the midterms are coming up. Maybe it was that one study saying lockdowns did nothing that got things going. But why have so many people from other “lockdown” states moved to or visited Florida during the pandemic?

What study was that?  That working paper by economists based on reviewing other papers mostly written by other economists?  I don't take my investment advice from podiatrists and I tend not to take my medical advice from economists.  It wasn't even an unpublished paper that wasn't peer reviewed.  That would have been a big step up.  It's a working paper.  Here's an actual paper from people that work in medicine.

"Early-onset lockdown with gradual deconfinement allowed shortening the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic and reducing contaminations. Lockdown should be considered as an effective public health intervention to halt epidemic progression."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7806254/

It's happening all over the world.  It has nothing to do with the midterms.  Sweden declared the pandemic over today.  Do you honestly think they care at all about the US midterms?

It's happening now because of a confluence of things.  The number of people vaccinated, omicron and people are just over it.  The last happens during every pandemic.  People just give up.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on February 10, 2022, 01:46:08 AM
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What facts are those?

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2020.306130

She's not the only public health official that was pressured into downplaying covid in the US.  It happened all over the country at every level.  From
federal to state to local.  Many public health officials found themselves looking for other jobs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/09/trump-officials-bragged-about-pressuring-cdc-to-alter-covid-reports-emails-reveal-.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/public-health-officials-face-political-pressures-in-navigating-communities-through-pandemic/ar-AATDh1W
https://news.wosu.org/coronavirus/2021-10-21/madison-county-health-officials-felt-pressured-by-prosecutor-to-change-school-quarantine-protocols
https://khn.org/news/public-health-officials-are-quitting-or-getting-fired-amid-pandemic/

What study was that?  That working paper by economists based on reviewing other papers mostly written by other economists?  I don't take my investment advice from podiatrists and I tend not to take my medical advice from economists.  It wasn't even an unpublished paper that wasn't peer reviewed.  That would have been a big step up.  It's a working paper.  Here's an actual paper from people that work in medicine.

"Early-onset lockdown with gradual deconfinement allowed shortening the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic and reducing contaminations. Lockdown should be considered as an effective public health intervention to halt epidemic progression."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7806254/

It's happening all over the world.  It has nothing to do with the midterms.  Sweden declared the pandemic over today.  Do you honestly think they care at all about the US midterms?

It's happening now because of a confluence of things.  The number of people vaccinated, omicron and people are just over it.  The last happens during every pandemic.  People just give up.
Just look at her case to see how she got “her numbers” and how it was disproven. Again, she’s not a reliable source. Also, the last time I checked Florida uses a particular method to count Covid deaths, such as how/when, which other states do use. I remember the drama it created and how many weren’t familiar with the method at first. 

As for that analysis, it sounds like modeling was used to help determine their results. If I recall, forecasting wasn’t reliable after seeing real world data. For instance: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7447267/ Just wish the rest of the analysis you shared wasn’t behind a paywall. I would love to read everything it had.

Of course, just look at NY and its past Covid problems regarding deaths.

Apparently anything from John Hopkins is not legit now? Okay…I’m sorry but easily searched data says lockdowns do nothing but create more problems like mental health issues. It’s also not healthy staying inside a lot and not moving much. For instance: https://www.ctinsider.com/news/article/Lockdowns-remote-learning-contribute-to-surge-in-16840764.php

In the US it probably has something to do with the midterms. Just look at the polls for one party and it’s easy to see that people are tired of the pandemic. Tired of the school drama. And yes, once new data said zero Covid was not possible and that we should change course by opening up more, many places couldn’t keep pushing mandates anymore. The new data says you can’t. Lastly, no one has given up. The data again said to change course.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 10, 2022, 07:22:08 AM
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What facts are those?

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2020.306130

She's not the only public health official that was pressured into downplaying covid in the US.  It happened all over the country at every level.  From
federal to state to local.  Many public health officials found themselves looking for other jobs.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/09/trump-officials-bragged-about-pressuring-cdc-to-alter-covid-reports-emails-reveal-.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/public-health-officials-face-political-pressures-in-navigating-communities-through-pandemic/ar-AATDh1W
https://news.wosu.org/coronavirus/2021-10-21/madison-county-health-officials-felt-pressured-by-prosecutor-to-change-school-quarantine-protocols
https://khn.org/news/public-health-officials-are-quitting-or-getting-fired-amid-pandemic/

What study was that?  That working paper by economists based on reviewing other papers mostly written by other economists?  I don't take my investment advice from podiatrists and I tend not to take my medical advice from economists.  It wasn't even an unpublished paper that wasn't peer reviewed.  That would have been a big step up.  It's a working paper.  Here's an actual paper from people that work in medicine.

"Early-onset lockdown with gradual deconfinement allowed shortening the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic and reducing contaminations. Lockdown should be considered as an effective public health intervention to halt epidemic progression."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7806254/

It's happening all over the world.  It has nothing to do with the midterms.  Sweden declared the pandemic over today.  Do you honestly think they care at all about the US midterms?

It's happening now because of a confluence of things.  The number of people vaccinated, omicron and people are just over it.  The last happens during every pandemic.  People just give up.

I agree with you there. I noticed that, too, that the paper was written by economists, LOL. We have to keep in mind their perspective.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 10, 2022, 07:33:03 AM
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Are you saying Florida is like the Chinese government? Also, I respectfully recommend that you don’t trust with what she said there. For instance, body-cam showed no one pointed guns at anyone during that raid. Also, she got raided because employee personal information was accessed and stolen, and it was traced back to her. One FL judge signed off the search warrant while another one upheld the decision. If you are wondering, the governor had nothing to do with the raid. What she was saying about Florida and Covid was also disproven with actual facts.

Lastly, how come other states are now suddenly trying to copy Florida’s open playbook? Sure, the midterms are coming up. Maybe it was that one study saying lockdowns did nothing that got things going. But why have so many people from other “lockdown” states moved to or visited Florida during the pandemic?

Not Chocolateshake, but I believe Florida is increasingly becoming like the Chinese government (banning books, voting laws, militia, etc.). The only place they differ is in their handling of COVID.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on February 10, 2022, 09:19:08 AM
IMO people have definitely given up. CA is ending mandatory masking next week, at a time when case rates are roughly where they were around the 2020 holidays. At that time case rates that high had our public health officials advising us to cancel even small family Christmas gatherings. Now it's a reason to stop masking.

Yes, the Omicron surge seems to be ending, and yes, we have vaccines now. But about a thousand people (edit: actually 2-3K) are still dying of Covid every day in the US. The developing world is somewhere between 3-11% vaccinated, and ripe for new variants at any time. People say that we can go back to masking if other surges come along and it's needed, but lots of people just aren't going to do that. People are tired of Covid, and tired of restrictions, and yes, giving up. I see it in my city, in people I know, and even in myself. It's hard to care anymore.

We can say we're 'following the science' all we want, and it's true that right this second indicators are good. But there's no guarantee they'll stay that way. We're all just looking for excuses to do what we want to anyway.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 10, 2022, 09:51:58 AM
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IMO people have definitely given up. CA is ending mandatory masking next week, at a time when case rates are roughly where they were around the 2020 holidays. At that time case rates that high had our public health officials advising us to cancel even small family Christmas gatherings. Now it's a reason to stop masking.

Yes, the Omicron surge seems to be ending, and yes, we have vaccines now. But about a thousand people (edit: actually 2-3K) are still dying of Covid every day in the US. The developing world is somewhere between 3-11% vaccinated, and ripe for new variants at any time. People say that we can go back to masking if other surges come along and it's needed, but lots of people just aren't going to do that. People are tired of Covid, and tired of restrictions, and yes, giving up. I see it in my city, in people I know, and even in myself. It's hard to care anymore.

We can say we're 'following the science' all we want, and it's true that right this second indicators are good. But there's no guarantee they'll stay that way. We're all just looking for excuses to do what we want to anyway.

They had us cancelling during the holidays because the cases were climbing. Now, they are on the decline. However, every single time we drop masks, we get a surge, so I wish they would hold onto masks for just a little bit longer.


Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 10, 2022, 11:46:37 AM
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Apparently anything from John Hopkins is not legit now?

Not at all.  But even within an institution you have to consider the source.  While the John Hopkins literature department may often address broken hearts, I would not go to them in search of advice about heart transplants.  Not considering relevant factors in an analysis makes for a flawed analysis.  People have blindly looked at statistics to say lockdowns don't work.  For example, the deaths per capita in Florida is 0.79 and in New Jersey it's 0.84.  Florida didn't lockdown much and New Jersey did.  Thus lockdowns must not work, right?  No.  How people live in Florida is distinctly different than New Jersey.  NJ is far more population dense than Florida.  Many people live on top of one another, literally, in big cities.  Florida is a glorified suburb.  The density is lower.  People live spread out.  The population density in NJ is 1263 per square mile.  It's 402 in Florida.  For a contagious disease, the degree in which people are jammed together is a major factor.  California is a better fit to Florida.  It's also a glorified suburb, except for half of SF.  California locked down more than Florida.  The deaths per capita in CA is .50.  It's about 60% that of Florida.  So lockdowns must work, right?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 12, 2022, 12:32:19 AM
On another note, remember the day the federal government started taking orders for free Covid-19 tests?  I placed my order the moment they just started taking orders and just seconds ago, got the E-mail notice from USPS that they will arrive next Tuesday.  They are being shipped from City of Industry, California.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: FBS on February 12, 2022, 01:13:44 AM
It's all change over here in the UK.
Mask mandate has gone (although a lot are still wearing them). Positive tests, hospitalizations and deaths are dropping quickly.
The government have removed all testing when coming back into the UK from abroad. And also likely to go is the legal requirement to self isolate if you test positive.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on February 12, 2022, 09:02:20 AM
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It's all change over here in the UK.
Mask mandate has gone (although a lot are still wearing them). Positive tests, hospitalizations and deaths are dropping quickly.
The government have removed all testing when coming back into the UK from abroad. And also likely to go is the legal requirement to self isolate if you test positive.

Sounds wonderful! I wish it were like that here. Officially, the state dropped mask mandates but they're still required in the county and place where I work. And the state is trying to pass a vaccine mandate for all companies... if you want to work (even as an independent contractor) you have to be vaccinated. Many cities have just insitiuted vaccine requirements to go to restaurants, bars, theatres, etc. It's like they're trying to roll the clock backwards.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: stl_ben on February 12, 2022, 09:51:26 AM
requiring vaccines is rolling the clock forwards...not backwards.
It may be the only way to ever move on.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 12, 2022, 11:50:07 AM
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On another note, remember the day the federal government started taking orders for free Covid-19 tests?  I placed my order the moment they just started taking orders and just seconds ago, got the E-mail notice from USPS that they will arrive next Tuesday.  They are being shipped from City of Industry, California.

Now?  I got mine a couple of weeks ago.  I was able to finally get some of the free N95s.  I didn't have to ask if they had them.  The moment I rounded the corner I saw a big cardboard box with a 3M logo on it.  It was half filled with Auras.

All this seems too late.  It would have been really useful 2 months ago.  The government has been reactive instead of proactive the entire pandemic.  They wait for the house to catch on fire before clearing the overgrown brush.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: janray on February 13, 2022, 10:28:17 AM
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On another note, remember the day the federal government started taking orders for free Covid-19 tests?  I placed my order the moment they just started taking orders and just seconds ago, got the E-mail notice from USPS that they will arrive next Tuesday.  They are being shipped from City of Industry, California.


Same for me. I ordered on January 18th and got an email last Thursday that they would arrive Monday the 14th.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 13, 2022, 04:57:09 PM
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Now?  I got mine a couple of weeks ago.  I was able to finally get some of the free N95s.  I didn't have to ask if they had them.  The moment I rounded the corner I saw a big cardboard box with a 3M logo on it.  It was half filled with Auras.

All this seems too late.  It would have been really useful 2 months ago.  The government has been reactive instead of proactive the entire pandemic.  They wait for the house to catch on fire before clearing the overgrown brush.

I think part of the problem is they receive lots of pushback from people if the house isn't on fire. House not on fire = everything's fine. Why are you wasting our tax dollars, etc.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on February 15, 2022, 08:12:39 AM
“Study: Vitamin D Deficiency Linked to Severe COVID”

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220208/vitamin-d-deficiency-tied-to-severe-covid

Basically, stuff everyone everywhere already knew. But also important to see what is new about this one topic like many others. As the article states, this shouldn’t be the only thing to use to fight the virus, and the study was done before Omicron.

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requiring vaccines is rolling the clock forwards...not backwards.
It may be the only way to ever move on.
The rich and celebrities have moved on. I mean, they were sure having fun and not caring about Covid at Super Bowl LVI. As if the pandemic was never a thing. Yet I’m sure some haven’t gotten boosted or found ways to avoid any shot requirements using their power. Yet at many schools, kids must be masked still or get punished if don’t…We con fans probably must wear masks still to attend anything this year.

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Not Chocolateshake, but I believe Florida is increasingly becoming like the Chinese government (banning books, voting laws, militia, etc.). The only place they differ is in their handling of COVID.
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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: stl_ben on February 15, 2022, 10:48:12 AM
Oh I hope SDCC requires masks inside.  But Ill have one on either way as I assume most people will.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on February 15, 2022, 12:38:58 PM
Disneyland (basically next door to Wondercon) is dropping most of its indoor mask mandates for vaccinated people as of Thursday:

https://www.foxla.com/news/disneyland-mask-requirement-vaccinated-guests

CCI could still require masks, of course, but this is a pretty good indication that Orange County/City of Anaheim won't care.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on February 15, 2022, 12:43:56 PM
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Oh I hope SDCC requires masks inside.  But Ill have one on either way as I assume most people will.

No problem. I'll be wearing one, too.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on February 15, 2022, 01:10:32 PM
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No problem. I'll be wearing one, too.

I want on this wagon!  I will be wearing one also.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 15, 2022, 01:20:39 PM
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I want on this wagon!  I will be wearing one also.

I'll be wearing one too.

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CCI could still require masks, of course, but this is a pretty good indication that Orange County/City of Anaheim won't care.

I think CCI will do what the CC says to do.  CC will do what the county says to do.  The county will do what the state says to do.  The state is on track to drop everything.  Coachella is outdoors but they've updated their policies to have no covid restrictions.  No vaccination proof and of course no masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on February 15, 2022, 01:27:07 PM
Do we need to make FoCC masks? Mostly joking, but... https://www.customearthpromos.com/printed-kn95-face-masks.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Old Man Grey on February 15, 2022, 02:53:45 PM
No mask for me. 3 days at Comic Con Special Edition ::) was enough for me.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: TardisMom on February 15, 2022, 03:03:20 PM
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Do we need to make FoCC masks? Mostly joking, but... https://www.customearthpromos.com/printed-kn95-face-masks.html

Yes!!!  FOCC Cult masks for us all!!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 15, 2022, 05:56:07 PM
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Yes!!!  FOCC Cult masks for us all!!

I need an assistant
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on February 15, 2022, 06:07:52 PM
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Disneyland (basically next door to Wondercon) is dropping most of its indoor mask mandates for vaccinated people as of Thursday:

https://www.foxla.com/news/disneyland-mask-requirement-vaccinated-guests

CCI could still require masks, of course, but this is a pretty good indication that Orange County/City of Anaheim won't care.
As a San Diego resident, I can confirm that our neighbors to the north in Orange County in general have not really cared about mask mandates, social distancing, staying out of closed public parks, etc. since roughly May 2020
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on February 15, 2022, 07:34:51 PM
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Yes!!!  FOCC Cult masks for us all!!
Give me FoCC Mando helmets.  >:D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Chris on February 15, 2022, 08:31:38 PM
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Yes!!!  FOCC Cult masks for us all!!

Yeah, the cult part is a must.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 15, 2022, 09:45:54 PM
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I was able to finally get some of the free N95s.  I didn't have to ask if they had them.  The moment I rounded the corner I saw a big cardboard box with a 3M logo on it.  It was half filled with Auras.

We were at my local CVS a few days ago and without us asking, the clerk offered us six N95 masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 15, 2022, 09:49:00 PM
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“Study: Vitamin D Deficiency Linked to Severe COVID”

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220208/vitamin-d-deficiency-tied-to-severe-covid

Oh jeez, thank goodness I never got sick.  I have low Vitamin D.  Just three weeks ago, my doctor has me on a once a week Vitamin D regimen.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 15, 2022, 09:51:24 PM
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I need an assistant

Make sure they’re N95s!  Here’s your opportunity to make a buck!
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 15, 2022, 09:56:11 PM
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As a San Diego resident, I can confirm that our neighbors to the north in Orange County in general have not really cared about mask mandates, social distancing, staying out of closed public parks, etc. since roughly May 2020

I can verify that.  Huntington Beach is the worst.  Two filmmakers made a doc of them offering maskless strangers in Huntington Beach masks.  Everybody they ran into refused.  Most of them were rude.  The last one dropped F bombs and threatened to do violence on the filmmakers just for asking.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 16, 2022, 08:46:37 AM
Coachella and Stagecoach Festivals Drop All COVID-Related Restrictions, Including Negative Tests and Masks

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/coachella-and-stagecoach-festivals-drop-all-covid-related-restrictions-including-negative-tests-and-masks-1235182727/#recipient_hashed=59d6a9951cff4285087fbc1aa35d4394ef2d02737e8a1cf3089e456a02ba4d68

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Yes!!!  FOCC Cult masks for us all!!
In all seriousness, if anyone wants to do a project like that (masks, lanyards, etc) lmk & we'll see if we can make it work.
I am flat out with my apt/studys/getting a job  #ugg
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on February 17, 2022, 07:23:31 AM
I'm sure you saw WC will require masks at all times for everyone 2+ and fully vaccinated or a negative test within 48 hours.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on February 17, 2022, 09:23:34 AM
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I'm sure you saw WC will require masks at all times for everyone 2+ and fully vaccinated or a negative test within 48 hours.

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yeah, @Transmute Jun (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=314) published that early last night ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on February 17, 2022, 01:26:36 PM
Another event I attend every year, Labyrinth Masquerade, also just confirmed that as of now they're still requiring vax/negative tests and masks at all times (except while eating and drinking) for their event in August. So it seems like a lot of event organizers are being very cautious, at least for now.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 17, 2022, 06:22:32 PM
California state officials said that while the Omicron surge is fading, the state must be prepared for the emergence of new coronavirus variants and seasonal increases in transmission.
The plan calls for stockpiling a robust supply of masks, maintaining the capacity to administer hundreds of thousands of vaccine doses and coronavirus tests per day, and enhancing the ability to track Covid-19 trends.
It's now clear that there will need to be a years-long fight against Covid-19, officials said.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-02-17/california-offers-cautious-blueprint-for-living-with-covid-19-as-mask-orders-ease
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 19, 2022, 12:02:32 PM
To put how "mild" omicron is into perspective, more people have died from omicron than delta now.  The omicron deaths in many states have yet to peak.

Also, based on the CDC excess deaths numbers over the course of the pandemic, the number of covid deaths are about twice what the official numbers are. There are closer to 2 million deaths as opposed to 1 million.  One reason for this is that the official count only includes people that die within a brief window of time after catching covid.  But studies have shown that the effects of covid can be deadly for a year and counting.  One study found that about half the people that "recover" from serious illness die within a year.

https://news.yahoo.com/us-excess-deaths-during-pandemic-215337856.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 22, 2022, 02:31:04 AM
According to studies, if you already got your booster and, unless you’re elderly or are immune compromised, you may not need a fourth dose.  The CDC recently said unless another variant emerges, fourth doses may not be recommended until next Fall, when it is likely there will be another surge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/health/covid-vaccine-antibodies-t-cells.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on February 22, 2022, 05:44:49 AM
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To put how "mild" omicron is into perspective, more people have died from omicron than delta now.  The omicron deaths in many states have yet to peak.

That sounds terrible, but Omicron is highly contagious, much more so than Delta. The important number is the percentage of hospitalizations and deaths...i.e. the proportion of people with each variant who had issues. I believe that is much lower for Omicron.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 22, 2022, 12:30:07 PM
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That sounds terrible, but Omicron is highly contagious, much more so than Delta. The important number is the percentage of hospitalizations and deaths...i.e. the proportion of people with each variant who had issues. I believe that is much lower for Omicron.

Both are important.  After all, even with a disease that's 90% fatal if it's not very contagious then not many people will die.  On the other hand, if a disease is 1% fatal and is very contagious then a lot of people will die.

When researchers say omicron is milder, they mean it's milder than delta.  Delta unfortunately was more deadly than the variants that came before.  The numbers roughly cancel each other out.  The degree that omicron is milder than delta is about the same as the degree that delta was deadlier than the previous variants.  So omicron is about as lethal as the original strain.  Which makes sense since omicron branched off early on.  Unfortunately it's much more contagious than any earlier strain.  Which leads to more deaths overall.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 22, 2022, 12:41:38 PM
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According to studies, if you already got your booster and, unless you’re elderly or are immune compromised, you may not need a fourth dose.  The CDC recently said unless another variant emerges, fourth doses may not be recommended until next Fall, when it is likely there will be another surge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/health/covid-vaccine-antibodies-t-cells.html

Unfortunately, data out of the CDC doesn't present as rosy a picture.  My booster was so long ago, that I consider myself back to what I was before I was boosted if not a little worse.  Since back then it was still believed that even though efficacy against infection had waned, that protection against hospitalization and death were still in the 90% range.  Recent data from the CDC indicates otherwise.

"Vaccine effectiveness (VE) against COVID-19–associated emergency department/urgent care (ED/UC) visits and hospitalizations was higher after the third dose than after the second dose but waned with time since vaccination. During the Omicron-predominant period, VE against COVID-19–associated ED/UC visits and hospitalizations was 87% and 91%, respectively, during the 2 months after a third dose and decreased to 66% and 78% by the fourth month after a third dose. Protection against hospitalizations exceeded that against ED/UC visits."

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7107e2.htm

78% is still great protection.  But it's not over 90% which has been the expectation.  I'm anxious to see where it goes from here.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 22, 2022, 07:31:04 PM
Eric J. Topol, a professor of molecular medicine at Scripps Research and author of the newsletter Ground Truths, gives his forecast as to what the U.S. can expect from Covid-19 in 2022.  He believes we’re probably moving to a relatively quiescent phase, with low numbers of cases and limited severe disease, representing containment of the virus. That is not the same as the pandemic being over.  He also believes that getting prepared for worst-case scenarios is our best defense, with better genomic, wastewater and digital tracking of the virus, and bolstering protection with everything from better air filtration to accelerating efforts for a variant-proof, pan-coronavirus vaccine. Better to be smart against this formidable virus than lucky.  With regards to the latest one out there, Omicron Stealth or BA.2, the author has noted that it has spread rapidly in some countries such as Denmark, South Africa, India and Sweden.  However, all the data to date for BA.2 in people do not support any sign of worse disease or lack of protection from vaccines. BA.2 is not gaining legs in the U.S., but the explanations for this and for the rapid decline of the original Omicron in many countries remain elusive. At this moment, it does not look like BA.2 poses a threat as a major new variant, but it would not be surprising if we see another variant in future months that deserves a separate Greek letter designation or a “variant of concern” designation from the World Health Organization.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-02-21/omicron-variants-covid-pandemic-vaccines
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 23, 2022, 01:06:36 PM
The CDC has changed the interval between the first and second doses for the MRNA vaccines for most people, those between 12-64 years old and not immunocompromised.  It's now recommended to wait up to 8 weeks between the first and second doses.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/clinical-considerations/covid-19-vaccines-us.html#primary-series
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 24, 2022, 05:44:15 PM
The Biden administration will significantly loosen federal mask-wearing guidelines to protect against Covid-19 transmission on Friday (February 25), according to two people familiar with the matter, meaning most Americans will no longer be advised to wear masks in indoor public settings.

http://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-pandemics-centers-for-disease-control-and-prevention-64f411f3b8c91faa091332ada342ab19
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on February 25, 2022, 09:20:06 AM
The theory is that before the election this year, the Dems want to take credit for 'stopping COVID'. As such, they will remove nearly all restrictions before then, to prove that COVID is 'over'.

I have no idea if this is true, but it does sound like something from a politician's playbook.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on February 25, 2022, 09:41:51 AM
Los Angeles county dropped its indoor vax mandate for vaccinated people today. Businesses are supposed to either check vax status or still have everyone mask, but realistically almost nowhere will do that. Near me, some businesses had already mostly given up checking: we went to dinner and a movie on the Monday holiday and neither place checked our vax status even though they were still legally required to.

So I guess it's "over". Or at least people have completely given up now. I'm still wearing my KN-95 in my office this morning; I'm practically the only one.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 25, 2022, 10:08:56 AM
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The theory is that before the election this year, the Dems want to take credit for 'stopping COVID'. As such, they will remove nearly all restrictions before then, to prove that COVID is 'over'.

I have no idea if this is true, but it does sound like something from a politician's playbook.

The problem with that theory is dropping all restrictions started overseas.  They couldn't care less that's it's a US election year.  We are doing it for the same reason they did it.  We are giving up.

It happened during the 1918 flu pandemic as well.  At some point, everyone gave up even though the flu was still running rampant across much of the world.  For the most part, the covid pandemic is mirroring the flu pandemic.  Surges, mask hesitancy and finally giving up.  Back then they even did the mask, don't mask and then mask again double step when a more contagious variant caused a big surge.  Sound familiar?  You can take headlines from back then and change flu to covid and the headlines would fit today.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on February 25, 2022, 10:44:32 AM
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The theory is that before the election this year, the Dems want to take credit for 'stopping COVID'. As such, they will remove nearly all restrictions before then, to prove that COVID is 'over'.

I have no idea if this is true, but it does sound like something from a politician's playbook.

I am pretty sure party doesn't matter in this scenario, anyone sitting in a public seat wants to be able to say it.  And if you switch all the parties it would be the same. 

We all know it was me though  :D
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on February 25, 2022, 10:52:19 AM
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So I guess it's "over". Or at least people have completely given up now. I'm still wearing my KN-95 in my office this morning; I'm practically the only one.

For me, it's a matter of relativity.  Currently San Diego has about 800 new cases a day.  3 months ago, I would have stayed home since there's so much covid out there.  Now, it seems so low considering we were at 20,000 new cases a day a few weeks ago.  It's time to be out and about.  I think that's how most people, at least people in government, feel.  Since an often cited reason for dropping restrictions anywhere in the world is that we are 90% off the omicron peak.  It's more than a feel good move.  It's pragmatic.  People can't be on red alert all the time.  In case a new more dangerous variant pops up, people need to be willing to accept restrictions again.  That won't happen when people are so fatigue from being at a constant state of emergency.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on February 25, 2022, 11:39:29 AM
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The theory is that before the election this year, the Dems want to take credit for 'stopping COVID'. As such, they will remove nearly all restrictions before then, to prove that COVID is 'over'.

I have no idea if this is true, but it does sound like something from a politician's playbook.

Problem is it will backfire if a new variant evolves, especially if BA.2 or Omicron Stealth turns out to be more serious than first projected.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on February 25, 2022, 12:28:01 PM
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And if you switch all the parties it would be the same. 

Agreed. It's a politician move, not a political party move.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 02, 2022, 12:42:56 PM
Demand for the free government covid tests have been light.  There are 500 million unclaimed tests.  So the government is opening it back up to the willing next week.  Those who already ordered tests earlier will be able to order again.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on March 02, 2022, 01:32:12 PM
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Demand for the free government covid tests have been light.  There are 500 million unclaimed tests.  So the government is opening it back up to the willing next week.  Those who already ordered tests earlier will be able to order again.

That's good news to me! We've almost depleted our stash.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on March 02, 2022, 01:50:49 PM
USPS is also offering free tests right now.

https://special.usps.com/testkits
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: stl_ben on March 02, 2022, 02:56:15 PM
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USPS is also offering free tests right now.

https://special.usps.com/testkits
If you had ordered one last month you have to wait another week till you can order your second one (I just checked).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 04, 2022, 11:04:47 PM
Los Angeles County has officially exited the high coronavirus community level as calculated by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, meaning it is on track to lift its indoor mask order Friday.

So Los Angeles County is going to join the rest of California.  Currently, the county has a 1.4% positivity rate.

http://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-03/l-a-county-on-track-for-lifting-mask-order-friday?utm_id=49650&sfmc_id=2389486
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 05, 2022, 10:39:04 AM
That's great.  San Diego is still at 4-5% positivity.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 06, 2022, 12:35:48 AM
Last week, O.C. was as low as 3.7%, then it went up to 4.2% and now it’s down to 4.0%.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 07, 2022, 10:41:21 AM
The second round of free government covid tests is live.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on March 08, 2022, 07:51:40 AM
2nd order is in.  I would still just like to skip getting it though  :)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 08, 2022, 08:43:06 AM
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2nd order is in.  I would still just like to skip getting it though  :)
Getting the tests or getting covid?

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 08, 2022, 08:53:59 AM
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2nd order is in.  I would still just like to skip getting it though  :)
Same. I definitely have a bit of anxiety for next week when we can go maskless in schools.  Teaching band, I'm a bit nervous about being maskless in the classroom, and I suspect I'll still wear my mask for the foreseeable future (I accidentally left my mask on for our group picture, taken outside, last fall)  :-\
While I'm fully vaccinated, studies are starting to coming out about some of the long-term effects of folks who've had COVID: some of whom did not have severe enough COVID to have to go to the hospital.  I know someone who got COVID March 2020 (at one of the last events held before the world shut down, he suspects) who was a marathon runner, mountain climber, ran those Iron Man marathon things, etc.  He _STILL_ can't even take long walks around his neighborhood, and his doctor told him (quite awhile ago) that he may not be able to do any of that other stuff ever again.  This is a guy who's maybe ten years younger than me (I'm 45), and at least pre-pandemic was in great shape.

I definitely plan to do everything I can to both do what I want/can in public (go to movies, Comic-Con/WonderCon, etc) while avoiding COVID (trying my hardest to social distance, wearing masks when appropriate, etc).
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 08, 2022, 09:45:13 AM
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While I'm fully vaccinated, studies are starting to coming out about some of the long-term effects of folks who've had COVID: some of whom did not have severe enough COVID to have to go to the hospital.

That's why covid isn't like the cold or the flu.  A significant percentage of people who catch it, even with no symptoms, have long term damage.  A study I talked about earlier has been peer reviewed and published in Nature.  Covid can cause brain damage.  Especially in the area of the brain that handles smell.  That would explain the loss of smell and brain fog.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5

Even with not so much as a runny nose, I will do my best to avoid catching covid.  I need all the brain cells I have left.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 08, 2022, 10:26:23 AM
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That's why covid isn't like the cold or the flu.  A significant percentage of people who catch it, even with no symptoms, have long term damage.  A study I talked about earlier has been peer reviewed and published in Nature.  Covid can cause brain damage.  Especially in the area of the brain that handles smell.  That would explain the loss of smell and brain fog.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04569-5

Even with not so much as a runny nose, I will do my best to avoid catching covid.  I need all the brain cells I have left.
Seriously; I was a gigging/touring punk rock drummer in the mid-1990's so my brain cells may already be pretty limited as-is nowadays  :P
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Miss Kitty on March 08, 2022, 02:18:32 PM
I feel so bad for my friend that got covid late December of 2019, before vaccines were available. She's been out of work since Jan 3, 2020. She can barely breathe and move around. I'm just floored and relieved I didn't get it. I was around her when she was contagious. Visiting her, she could only communicate for about 10 mins and she was wiped out.

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on March 08, 2022, 08:48:23 PM
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Getting the tests or getting covid?

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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 08, 2022, 09:51:14 PM
Just placed my second order.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: debster on March 09, 2022, 06:03:48 AM
I still have my 4 original tests, so I might wait a little bit to place my second order so they won’t expire before I get a chance to use them.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on March 09, 2022, 09:35:25 AM
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I still have my 4 original tests, so I might wait a little bit to place my second order so they won’t expire before I get a chance to use them.
the only reason i got a set of tests was due to traveling.
I might use one after WonderCon tho ;)  Just proActivly ;)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 09, 2022, 11:03:30 AM
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I still have my 4 original tests, so I might wait a little bit to place my second order so they won’t expire before I get a chance to use them.

I don't think there's a point to that.  I don't think the government is ordering these piecemeal.  They ordered them all at once.  So they'll hit the expiration date whether at the warehouse or in your home.  Something to consider is that they may run out.  They will if everyone who ordered them the first time does so again.  Although, demand is probably much lower now then it was then.

In regards to the expiration date, that's a moving target.  There wasn't enough time to actually know how long these tests are shelf stable.  So they just picked a date.  As time goes on that expiration date is being updated.  For the Abbott test, the FDA has extended the expiration date twice.  Now the expiration is 15 months instead of the original 6 months.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: angoradebs on March 10, 2022, 04:52:42 PM
I got my second batch of tests today. My first batch were Binax, these are iHealth. They expire in August.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 10, 2022, 08:36:18 PM
Lots of masks available at pharmacies. They just leave them in baskets. I don't really like N95s because they have the straps behind the head. I like the ones with ear loops, but those N95s look like really high-quality masks.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: NCDS on March 11, 2022, 10:18:22 AM
Just looked and my tests expire in June and July, so those holding off to order I think are on to something.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 11, 2022, 10:48:23 AM
I also got my second batch of tests yesterday.  Once again shipped from Kansas.  This time I got Siemens which is a bonus since those are 5 tests instead of 4.  The expiration date is 12/22.

I think the expiration dates are a grab bag.  The BinaxNow tests I got from Walmart a month before the government announced they were going to offer free tests have a 10/22 expiration date.  The first batch of government tests I got were Ihealth which have a 6/22 expiration date.  The Ihealth tests I got on my own late last year also have a 6/22 expiration date.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on March 11, 2022, 04:26:13 PM
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I also got my second batch of tests yesterday.  Once again shipped from Kansas.  This time I got Siemens which is a bonus since those are 5 tests instead of 4.  The expiration date is 12/22.

I think the expiration dates are a grab bag.  The BinaxNow tests I got from Walmart a month before the government announced they were going to offer free tests have a 10/22 expiration date.  The first batch of government tests I got were Ihealth which have a 6/22 expiration date.  The Ihealth tests I got on my own late last year also have a 6/22 expiration date.
Our's also came yesterday, also Siemens 5 pack.  Expiration = December 2022
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 12, 2022, 04:51:03 PM
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Just placed my second order.

Wow!  Mine arrived yesterday (Friday).  In contrast to the last ones which took a month.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 12, 2022, 04:54:30 PM
This is the latest about BA.2 or “stealth” Omicron.  It is not yet causing a new surge in the United States, and probably won’t. Existing vaccines work against the BA.2 variant, and it’s vulnerable to antibodies made by the immune system after an earlier Omicron infection.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/science/until-recently-it-was-the-stealth-omicron-heres-what-we-know-about-the-ba2-variant.html

There is a new hybrid called “Deltacron,” which is a combination of both the Delta and Omicron variants.  However, there are a number of reasons not to panic.  “This is not a novel concern,” Dr. Simon-Loriere said.  For one thing, the recombinant is extremely rare. Although it has existed since at least January, it has not yet shown the ability to grow exponentially.  Scientists say it is unlikely to cause trouble in the United States.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/science/deltacron-coronavirus-variant.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 13, 2022, 10:35:38 AM
BA.2 is more contagious than BA.1.  It's slowly but steadily replacing BA.1.  It already has in South Africa.

Also, data out of the UK now shows that covid with vaccinations and therapeutics is less lethal than the flu.  That's the good news.  But the fact that BA.1 and BA.2 are more contagious means that more people will die of covid than the flu.  Then there's all the long covid problems which still aren't being taken as seriously.

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Existing vaccines work against the BA.2 variant

About that, early animal studies are showing no benefit for an omicron specific vaccine over the existing vaccines.  Since the data on waning is pretty clear at this point.  Pfizer is getting ready to request a 4th shot approval for the current vaccine.  My 3rd shot was so long ago that I'm pretty much no longer seeing much, if any, benefit from it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 14, 2022, 11:31:49 AM
It hasn't made much press here until today, but Asia is finally going through a big covid surge.  It only made news today because of the iphone.  South Korea is at 350,000 new cases a day.  Hong Kong which counted 1 case a day as too much for most of the last 2 years is now at 30,000 cases a day.  Even China which hasn't had much covid since Wuhan is at 2,000 cases a day.  Which brings us to the iphone and the news.  Shenzhen went into lockdown last night.  They are closed for business.  Shenzhen is where a large portion of the world's electronics is made.  Including the iphone.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 29, 2022, 01:44:26 PM
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorizes a second booster of Pfizer and Moderna for those 50 and up.  The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) needs to sign off on it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/03/29/fda-authorizes-second-booster-shot
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 29, 2022, 10:13:38 PM
Just a few hours after the Federal Drug Administration (FDA) authorized a fourth shot for those 50 and up who got boosters at least four months ago, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) “recommends” fourth doses.

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0328-covid-19-boosters.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 30, 2022, 02:13:06 PM
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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorizes a second booster of Pfizer and Moderna for those 50 and up.  The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) needs to sign off on it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/03/29/fda-authorizes-second-booster-shot

I think the CDC signed off already, except I can't find any pharmacies that will give the fourth dose to people who are not immunocompromised. Have you had any luck?
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 30, 2022, 06:35:31 PM
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I think the CDC signed off already, except I can't find any pharmacies that will give the fourth dose to people who are not immunocompromised. Have you had any luck?

I didn't have any luck with CVS.  Walgreens says they'll start taking online appointments this Friday (April 1).  Kaiser Permanente has to "update their records." I was able to book both my mother and myself at RiteAid this Saturday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on March 30, 2022, 11:06:07 PM
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I didn't have any luck with CVS.  Walgreens says they'll start taking online appointments this Friday (April 1).  Kaiser Permanente has to "update their records." I was able to book both my mother and myself at RiteAid this Saturday.

All the online appointment pages for all pharmacies still do not allow for 4th dose for 50+. However, I went to Sam's Club today. I asked if I could get it and they said yes. I told them about the problem scheduling online and they gave me the shot right away. That woman gave the most pain-free injection of them all.  Better yet, I have had the most mild reaction of all the shots.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on March 31, 2022, 01:21:55 PM
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I think the CDC signed off already, except I can't find any pharmacies that will give the fourth dose to people who are not immunocompromised. Have you had any luck?

I called CVS yesterday about the 4th shot.  The pharmacist said that they were offering it to anyone 50 and over.  I said that I would book an appointment online.  She told me not to bother and to just walk in.  I'm holding off for a week though.  The efficacy only holds up for 3-4 months.  I'm timing it to cover both comic fest and comic-con.

For those 50 and over and immunocompromised there will most likely be a 5th shot come this fall when another booster for all will probably be recommended for the winter surge.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on March 31, 2022, 01:39:34 PM
BA.2 made up 55% of new cases in the U.S. in the last week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/health/ba2-variant-covid-cases.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 01, 2022, 08:01:07 PM
Covid-19 hospitalizations in the U.S. are at a record low with 11,860 patients.  The previous record low was 12,041 last June before Delta took hold.  At it’s peak, it got as high as 145,000 last January when Omicron took hold.

http://apnews.com/article/covid-business-health-pandemics-norfolk-36714eb4a053fb658e4b58139f2dd9e3
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on April 03, 2022, 06:14:18 PM
So, I went to Wondercon 2 days after my 4th dose. The lady giving out vaccination wristbands said I couldn't attend because the rule is we need to have had the vaccine at least 2 weeks prior.

I said, "Oh, no. This is my FOURTH dose." She insisted that vaccines take 2 weeks to kick in, to which I responded, "Well, it's been a LONG time since my third dose," which seemed to give her pause. She had to go ask a superior to see what she should do. LOL.

Yes, I did finally get permission to enter.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on April 03, 2022, 09:16:56 PM
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So, I went to Wondercon 2 days after my 4th dose. The lady giving out vaccination wristbands said I couldn't attend because the rule is we need to have had the vaccine at least 2 weeks prior.

I said, "Oh, no. This is my FOURTH dose." She insisted that vaccines take 2 weeks to kick in, to which I responded, "Well, it's been a LONG time since my third dose," which seemed to give her pause. She had to go ask a superior to see what she should do. LOL.

Yes, I did finally get permission to enter.

For this exact reason, I kept the original photo with 2 doses on my phone and didn’t show places the updated with booster photo until two weeks after getting it.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 03, 2022, 09:41:43 PM
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So, I went to Wondercon 2 days after my 4th dose. The lady giving out vaccination wristbands said I couldn't attend because the rule is we need to have had the vaccine at least 2 weeks prior.

I said, "Oh, no. This is my FOURTH dose." She insisted that vaccines take 2 weeks to kick in, to which I responded, "Well, it's been a LONG time since my third dose," which seemed to give her pause. She had to go ask a superior to see what she should do. LOL.

Yes, I did finally get permission to enter.

I take it the criteria for hiring people in her position is very low.  I didn't go this year since I need to take care of Mom but if she gave me problems as she did with you, I would have made a stink.  It's a sad fact that many people are very disengaged in their jobs.  In retrospect I'm glad I didn't go, I would not have the patience for that.  Glad a superior overruled her.

Besides, they just started giving fourth shots last week.  How in the heck could you have gotten one two weeks ago?????

Speaking of customer service, I was on the phone with WalMart and my bank for assistance last week.  Both fell short of my expectations.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on April 03, 2022, 09:49:58 PM
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I take it the criteria for hiring people in her position is very low.  I didn't go this year since I need to take care of Mom but if she gave me problems as she did with you, I would have made a stink.  It's a sad fact that many people are very disengaged in their jobs.  In retrospect I'm glad I didn't go, I would not have the patience for that.  Glad a superior overruled her.

Speaking of customer service, I was on the phone with WalMart and my bank for assistance last week.  Both fell short of my expectations.

She was going by what they had told her, and Wondercon's official guidelines defined fully vaccinated as "14 days after your final vaccine dose." That could mean any dose. In fact, it could mean only one dose. I don't think she was disengaged; she was just being very literal. They didn't pay her to think.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 04, 2022, 06:42:53 AM
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So, I went to Wondercon 2 days after my 4th dose. The lady giving out vaccination wristbands said I couldn't attend because the rule is we need to have had the vaccine at least 2 weeks prior.

I said, "Oh, no. This is my FOURTH dose." She insisted that vaccines take 2 weeks to kick in, to which I responded, "Well, it's been a LONG time since my third dose," which seemed to give her pause. She had to go ask a superior to see what she should do. LOL.

Yes, I did finally get permission to enter.
I don't mean to make light of the situation, but that is hilarious
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 04, 2022, 12:23:02 PM
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I don't mean to make light of the situation, but that is hilarious
I agree.  My with is a literalist/rule-follower-to-the-letter type so sometimes the overthinking of a written rule hangs her up to.  I'm glad things were straightened out!
I personally didn't see any issues with the vaccine/testing check or verification to get in the 'perimeter'/doors.  At one point security was making a big deal to make sure I had the wristband to go from outside the convention center (by the fountain) to the food truck area: though that was a one-time thing and not consistent.
I did get asked many times to roll up my sleeve when wearing a sweatshirt so the door security can verify I'd been checked-off: I'd say throughout Sat & Sun that happened as much as security asked me to flip my badge over for them to see I wasn't a Friday only badge or something!

I did see people without badges either in hallways or in the Exhibit Hall, clearly not when they're taking a break for food or something (some by folks running booths).  I didn't see it a lot, and the vast majority of attendees, volunteers, and booth workers seemed to adhere to the 'rules' really well IMO, for what it's worth.  I don't know if CCI will continue the masking policy for SDCC, but I suspect they might since that will be one of the larger indoor events in SoCA, almost certainly in Sa Diego, since Feb. 2020
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 04, 2022, 11:26:41 PM
Senators from both parties reach a $10B deal to provide domestic aid to fight Covid-19 but also cuts off global aid.  Critics warn this will leave developing countries unprepared to fight against the next variant of concern that will dominate both the U.S. and the rest of the West like Omicron and Delta.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/04/04/covid-funding-congress-deal-cuts-global-aid
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on April 06, 2022, 04:44:12 AM
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She was going by what they had told her, and Wondercon's official guidelines defined fully vaccinated as "14 days after your final vaccine dose." That could mean any dose. In fact, it could mean only one dose. I don't think she was disengaged; she was just being very literal. They didn't pay her to think.
A funny but true situation, right? Folks in those roles are meant to "do the task assigned", and that's it.  That's why companies come up with all sorts of rules/T&Cs, and all that.

Can you imagine if this happened at SDCC? As people were trying to stream in and get super quick to the exhibit hall and get in line for that exclusive? That would not go well...

I wonder if they'd be considering leveraging one of the apps (like Clear that was used for NYCC last year) to get folks to upload their cards prior, so the badges when shipped have an indicator, based on that info.  Then the folks can just look at badges like normal. If you don't have the vaccine, but have proper test results, use a different entrance, so that the peeps manning it there have the proper instructions for that set of attendees. Assuming those rules are in affect for SDCC at the end of July.

That's all I can think of on half a cup of coffee this morning.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
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Can you imagine if this happened at SDCC? As people were trying to stream in and get super quick to the exhibit hall and get in line for that exclusive? That would not go well...

The way they did it at Turkeycon was that vaccination status was verified ahead of time.  People went to booths to get a wristband that signified their status.  It was a one time thing and not something people had to do everyday as long as the wristband stayed on.  The people that did my check weren't that thorough.  I just walked up with my vaccination card in my hand and the person waived me through to the people that put on the wristband.  The entire process only took a few seconds.  Once you had the wristband then you could come and go like normal.  I thought it was the same at Wondercon.  If it's still a thing, I think it'll work the same way at comic-con.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 06, 2022, 12:43:58 PM
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The way they did it at Turkeycon was that vaccination status was verified ahead of time.  People went to booths to get a wristband that signified their status.  It was a one time thing and not something people had to do everyday as long as the wristband stayed on.  The people that did my check weren't that thorough.  I just walked up with my vaccination card in my hand and the person waived me through to the people that put on the wristband.  The entire process only took a few seconds.  Once you had the wristband then you could come and go like normal.  I thought it was the same at Wondercon.  If it's still a thing, I think it'll work the same way at comic-con.

At turkey con the lines to pick up vax wrist bands was half way up the convention center- it took wayWay longer then a few seconds!

I also heard a story where a family was refused admittance because a 6 year old didn't have a vax card. Can I prove that, nope, it was hear-say but it illustrates the need for CCI to be on top of the situation.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2022, 01:02:51 PM
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At turkey con the lines to pick up vax wrist bands was half way up the convention center- it took wayWay longer then a few seconds!

There were actually 2 booths.  One at the end of the convention center and one in the middle.  At certain times the lines were long.  At other times they weren't.  When I went through there was not much of a line at all.  In fact it wasn't even happening in the booth.  The people doing the checking were just hanging around off to the side from the booth.  From the time I stepped up to the checker to when I popped out with a wristband was a few seconds.  The longest part of the process was putting on the wristband.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 07, 2022, 08:38:11 AM
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At turkey con the lines to pick up vax wrist bands was half way up the convention center- it took wayWay longer then a few seconds!

I also heard a story where a family was refused admittance because a 6 year old didn't have a vax card. Can I prove that, nope, it was hear-say but it illustrates the need for CCI to be on top of the situation.
Yeah, it took my fam. a bit of time: not significantly long, and we got their fairly early to plan on a long line.  For younger children if they weren't vaxxed (as my 7 year old wasn't fully at that time), or anyone unvaccinated, had to get a test within a certain number of days before Turkey Con.  It was more of a hassle to book a test in a very specific timeframe, but we managed OK.

For WonderCon the lines were longer but there were far more people working to check so the wait time was about the same as in November (at least on Saturday am around 11).  I agree that the crowds at SDCC in July will require more workers/better planning; I suspect they'll encourage folks to get their wristband on Monday or Tuesday or Wed. morning or something - that was an option for Turkey Con, and I think you could get vaccination verification on Thursday for WonderCon.  As a local, or for people who get into San Diego on Mon. or Tues. that will be really helpful to cut down the lines/surge when the Con is in full-swing
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Old Man Grey on April 07, 2022, 08:46:05 AM
I got my verification on Thursday and there was no line. Glad I did. when I got my bag, book and lanyard (::))they were giving out Comic Con pins. Didn't see the pins on Friday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on April 07, 2022, 09:58:20 AM
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I agree that the crowds at SDCC in July will require more workers/better planning; I suspect they'll encourage folks to get their wristband on Monday or Tuesday or Wed. morning or something - that was an option for Turkey Con, and I think you could get vaccination verification on Thursday for WonderCon.  As a local, or for people who get into San Diego on Mon. or Tues. that will be really helpful to cut down the lines/surge when the Con is in full-swing

I'm predicting (hoping) for July, we won't have to do any of this at all.  Things are continuing to loosen up.  I've seen a couple of Cons state specifically that they are NOT requiring any proof of vaccination or negative test.  I'm planning to go to the auto show in NYC.  Initial requirement for tickets was proof of vaccination.  In the last 2-3 weeks, they have removed that requirement altogether.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 07, 2022, 11:57:37 AM
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From the time I stepped up to the checker to when I popped out with a wristband was a few seconds.  The longest part of the process was putting on the wristband.
How long the actual process takes is not relevant to the actual time it takes when the line is long. In days gone by, badge pick up took a short amt of time yet when the line was long, the whole process took a while. Hence moving to shipping badges. The president is there.

Nor does it address the grey area's of young kiddos not allowed in due to no vax card/neg test OR the inconsistency of @perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380) 's length of time since the last vax shot. 

I am not faulting CCI, they are working with a moving target of state regulation that seems to change on a dime. Hard as He** to set policy for an event a month out when the state keeps changing the rules.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 07, 2022, 12:59:44 PM
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How long the actual process takes is not relevant to the actual time it takes when the line is long.

That's true if the line is long.  It's also true that it's completely relevant when the line is short or non-existent.  I described my experience.

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Nor does it address the grey area's of young kiddos not allowed in due to no vax card/neg test OR the inconsistency of @perc2100 (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=380) 's length of time since the last vax shot.

Rare exceptions are not the rule.  They are exceptions.  If any of that happened more than rarely, it would have gummed up the works.  I will go out on a limb and say that the majority of people didn't experience any of that.  If they did, there would be a large number of complaints about it everywhere.  There aren't.  Even in the best run process, there are glitches.  It happens.

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I am not faulting CCI, they are working with a moving target of state regulation that seems to change on a dime. Hard as He** to set policy for an event a month out when the state keeps changing the rules.

California dropped all vaccination proof requirements for indoor events effective the day that Wondercon started.  I don't know if CCI had to go on enforcing proof of vaccination because of local or maybe convention center rules.  Otherwise, it would seem to me it wouldn't be hard to tell people, "forget about all that vaccination stuff" even at the last second.  Or simply just tell the wristband people to stop checking vaccination cards and give everyone a wristband.  That's only a handful of people.  No one else had to know anything was different.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 07, 2022, 01:06:11 PM
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I'm predicting (hoping) for July, we won't have to do any of this at all.  Things are continuing to loosen up.  I've seen a couple of Cons state specifically that they are NOT requiring any proof of vaccination or negative test.  I'm planning to go to the auto show in NYC.  Initial requirement for tickets was proof of vaccination.  In the last 2-3 weeks, they have removed that requirement altogether.

I agree.  I said as much weeks ago.  We are in the "we give up" stage of the pandemic.  California already dropped the proof of vaccination requirement.  The county, the city and the convention center generally just does at most what the state says.  At most as in sometimes they don't even do what the state recommends.  I don't see any of this changing at this point.  The pandemic is "over".
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 07, 2022, 02:04:48 PM
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That's true if the line is long.  It's also true that it's completely relevant when the line is short or non-existent.  I described my experience.
and i described mine
nether one is absolute nor does it discount the others viewpoint. Both are valid. The line on Thursday night vax pick up at SE was long as was the Saturday vax pickup a WC. Regardless of the time it took to actually get the wristband.

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Rare exceptions are not the rule.  They are exceptions.  If any of that happened more than rarely, it would have gummed up the works.  I will go out on a limb and say that the majority of people didn't experience any of that.  If they did, there would be a large number of complaints about it everywhere.  There aren't.  Even in the best run process, there are glitches.  It happens.
  Exceptions are nonconsequential until they happen to you then they are a **real** problem. Turning away a 6 year old dressed up in costume IS a traumatic experience to kiddos and their family. That's not what CCI is about at all. Disabilities and discrimination are exceptions yet safeguards are in place to insure they are not repeated.

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California dropped all vaccination proof requirements for indoor events effective the day that Wondercon started.  I don't know if CCI had to go on enforcing proof of vaccination because of local or maybe convention center rules.  Otherwise, it would seem to me it wouldn't be hard to tell people, "forget about all that vaccination stuff" even at the last second.  Or simply just tell the wristband people to stop checking vaccination cards and give everyone a wristband.  That's only a handful of people.  No one else had to know anything was different.
Please listen to the talk back panel. I posted the link earlier, David Glanzer spoke to this issue, the time it takes to change a procedure. I don't remember where it was during the hour long panel.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on April 07, 2022, 02:14:11 PM
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I'm predicting (hoping) for July, we won't have to do any of this at all.  Things are continuing to loosen up.  I've seen a couple of Cons state specifically that they are NOT requiring any proof of vaccination or negative test.  I'm planning to go to the auto show in NYC.  Initial requirement for tickets was proof of vaccination.  In the last 2-3 weeks, they have removed that requirement altogether.
This is good to know, as I was entertaining the idea of going up for the auto show.  The Philly Auto Show had a lot of last year's models, so hoping to see something new.  Would love to hear what you think about the NYAS this year.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: CarrieD on April 07, 2022, 05:22:54 PM
I will be traveling to SD from Canada and currently we need to be vaccinated and a negative covid test to enter the US. I will be interesting to see if this changes by the summer.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Hgmaddhatter on April 07, 2022, 08:44:04 PM
I am also very curious to see what sort of guidelines survive to July. I'm in Florida and for the most part it's been up to individuals to wear a mask or not for about a year now. Disney was one of the last standouts and they've removed all of their restrictions now too. It still feels odd to me to be in a crowd, not sure when I'll be completely back to normal in that regard for a while. I think I'm more curious about how many outside  events will be modified or even non-existent. Without a few years con revenue I imagine some things might get scaled way back.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: hikanteki on April 07, 2022, 11:19:13 PM
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I will be traveling to SD from Canada and currently we need to be vaccinated and a negative covid test to enter the US. I will be interesting to see if this changes by the summer.

I had to travel international for work a few weeks back. Both the destination country and return to US required a negative covid test within 1 day of the flight, even if fully vaccinated. It was pretty nerve-wracking as I had to be prepared to reschedule my entire trip (or be stuck overseas) depending on the results.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 08, 2022, 09:20:55 AM
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I agree.  I said as much weeks ago.  We are in the "we give up" stage of the pandemic.  California already dropped the proof of vaccination requirement.  The county, the city and the convention center generally just does at most what the state says.  At most as in sometimes they don't even do what the state recommends.  I don't see any of this changing at this point.  The pandemic is "over".
I know this isn't you saying it, per say, but I _loathe_ that lazy sentiment.  Especially now that studies are just starting to get published regarding long COVID, with recent reports that COVID could also impact ocular/eyesight issues.  It's like we've given up and are just now hoping COVID will mutate enough to be relatively harmless.  I appreciated CCI going the extra mile for WonderCon w/mask mandates & vaccination/testing checks.  I sincerely hope they continue for SDCC in July, though I'm not counting on it at this point.  We currently have a new variant that seems like the worst of Delta & Omicron and it seems absolutely asinine to discontinue safety protocols: though clearly humans have short attention spans and have gotten "over" the simplicity of wearing masks indoors in crowded environments at the very least.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 08, 2022, 01:15:21 PM
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We currently have a new variant that seems like the worst of Delta & Omicron and it seems absolutely asinine to discontinue safety protocols: though clearly humans have short attention spans and have gotten "over" the simplicity of wearing masks indoors in crowded environments at the very least.

The variant du jour is Omicron XE.  Called jokingly the "Xpress Edition".  It's a recombinant of BA.1, original omicron, and BA.2, stealth omicron.  It's believed to be more infectious than either one.

I will continue to wear a mask.  Walking around the supermarket, I'm pretty much alone in that.  Even though case numbers are really low in San Diego, I'm continuing to wear N95s exclusively.  The low cases numbers look really good in San Diego until you realize why that is.  There's not much testing happening anymore.  The money ran out to pay for it.  So unless someone's insurance will, then people will have to pay hundreds to get tested.  People without health insurance generally aren't in the position to do that.  Test less, lower number of positive cases.  Funny how that works.  But poop tells the real story.  Wastewater results are showing rising cases all over the country.

They're already dealing with the consequences of dropping masking in Europe.  European airlines have had to cancel hundreds of flights because so many flight crews have gotten sick since Europe dropped the mask requirements for airlines.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: CarrieD on April 10, 2022, 07:00:48 PM
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I had to travel international for work a few weeks back. Both the destination country and return to US required a negative covid test within 1 day of the flight, even if fully vaccinated. It was pretty nerve-wracking as I had to be prepared to reschedule my entire trip (or be stuck overseas) depending on the results.

I've traveled twice and it was indeed nerve-wracking to think that if I tested positive I would be stuck for another 10 days. It would wipe out all my vacation. At least now I don't have to test to come home.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Hgmaddhatter on April 10, 2022, 08:00:32 PM
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I've traveled twice and it was indeed nerve-wracking to think that if I tested positive I would be stuck for another 10 days. It would wipe out all my vacation. At least now I don't have to test to come home.
My husband had to travel to Saudi Arabia for work and they required 24 hour testing and had to get approval to quarantine there a full 2 weeks. After his flight they installed an app that tracked you and sent him on his way with no quarantine. Seems like even countries with strict travel restrictions are beginning to loosen up so I'm sure we will see the effects soon. He wore a mask and was as careful as he could be so he was able to get more work done than expected, but it can be very nerve wracking thinking about quarantine and testing. We elected to have him tested on his return even though they didn't require it so we had peace of mind. Our toddler can't be vaccinated yet.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 11, 2022, 10:54:21 PM
Philadelphia is reimposing mandatory indoor mask use as Covid-19 cases are shooting up in some parts of the U.S., particularly the northeast.  Cases are still down in California.

http://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/indoor-mask-mandate-philadelphia-businesses-20220411.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: sessionka on April 16, 2022, 04:11:16 PM
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This is good to know, as I was entertaining the idea of going up for the auto show.  The Philly Auto Show had a lot of last year's models, so hoping to see something new.  Would love to hear what you think about the NYAS this year.

So went to NYAS today. 

No vaccine required and masks were optional.

I'm terrible when it comes to cars.  My interest was mainly Toyota and any manufacturer similar.  I have a Toyota, and I'm pretty sure I'll be looking for something next year, as my 'girl' is 14 years old.   :). Anyway, as I was heading toward the directory, I heard someone exclaim their disappointment that Mercedes, BMW, and Mazda were NOT there.  Walking around, I noticed a number of other manufacturers were also missing.  Definitely sparse when it came to international manufacturers.  No luxury vehicles.  There was actually a test drive track on the main floor.  I don't ever remember anything like that indoors.

I haven't been to the show in a few years, but I could tell it was light in terms of attendance.  It was not that difficult to get into the cars I was interested in.  The missing manufacturers might be one reason for the lighter crowd.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Michaelnaut on April 16, 2022, 04:45:25 PM
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So went to NYAS today. 

No vaccine required and masks were optional.

I'm terrible when it comes to cars.  My interest was mainly Toyota and any manufacturer similar.  I have a Toyota, and I'm pretty sure I'll be looking for something next year, as my 'girl' is 14 years old.   :) . Anyway, as I was heading toward the directory, I heard someone exclaim their disappointment that Mercedes, BMW, and Mazda were NOT there.  Walking around, I noticed a number of other manufacturers were also missing.  Definitely sparse when it came to international manufacturers.  No luxury vehicles.  There was actually a test drive track on the main floor.  I don't ever remember anything like that indoors.

I haven't been to the show in a few years, but I could tell it was light in terms of attendance.  It was not that difficult to get into the cars I was interested in.  The missing manufacturers might be one reason for the lighter crowd.
This was exactly why I was so disappointed with the Philly show.  The only cool thing was the indoor test ride for the EVs.  That F-150 Lightning...dayum.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 17, 2022, 09:47:42 PM
Both my brother and sister-in-law did not get the second booster.  My sister-in-law tested positive and has a sore throat.  My brother tested negative but has a scratchy throat and some aches.  My sister-in-law had an in-person get-together with a friend who later E-mailed her and told her he was positive.  Neither of them wore masks.  That’s a lesson for Mom and me to wear masks and not go out dining even if others don’t wear masks.  Both Mom and I got our second boosters two weeks ago.  Most likely they were infected with the BA.2 subvariant.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 18, 2022, 05:19:40 PM
Federal authorities are no longer enforcing a mask mandate on public transportation in the U.S. after a federal judge in Florida appointed by Donald Trump voided the mandate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/04/18/mask-mandate-transportation-airplanes
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 18, 2022, 06:42:36 PM
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Federal authorities are no longer enforcing a mask mandate on public transportation in the U.S. after a federal judge in Florida appointed by Donald Trump voided the mandate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2022/04/18/mask-mandate-transportation-airplanes
Sigh...
I'm def. not going to fly on a plane w/out everyone masking.
Which puts quite the problem on my family's plans to travel 2200+ miles across the county to visit family this summer.

We are such a stupid, stupid country
(and FWIW this is a judge with incredibly limited judicial experience that was rated "Unqualified" by a peer review upon nomination by our last idiot POTUS  >:( )
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Mario Wario on April 19, 2022, 07:02:51 AM
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Sigh...
I'm def. not going to fly on a plane w/out everyone masking.
Which puts quite the problem on my family's plans to travel 2200+ miles across the county to visit family this summer.

We are such a stupid, stupid country
(and FWIW this is a judge with incredibly limited judicial experience that was rated "Unqualified" by a peer review upon nomination by our last idiot POTUS  >:( )
Actually, planes have one of the best ventilation systems out there, and you are better off being in one rather than walking through an airport. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/17/travel/flying-plane-covid-19-safety.html

Overall, use the right mask, use good judgement, and travel. Lastly, on March 15th, 2022, the Senate voted to repeal the mask mandate 57-40. It was a hint of things to come. Currently, hospitalizations in the US have not gone up like seen in the past. Hopefully, that trend continues. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/briefing/covid-cases-up-hospitalizations-omicron.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: perc2100 on April 19, 2022, 09:32:45 AM
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Actually, planes have one of the best ventilation systems out there, and you are better off being in one rather than walking through an airport. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/17/travel/flying-plane-covid-19-safety.html

Overall, use the right mask, use good judgement, and travel. Lastly, on March 15th, 2022, the Senate voted to repeal the mask mandate 57-40. It was a hint of things to come. Currently, hospitalizations in the US have not gone up like seen in the past. Hopefully, that trend continues. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/19/briefing/covid-cases-up-hospitalizations-omicron.html
Yeah, I know the science on that; I also know a few people who have been extremely careful throughout this pandemic (masked always in public, worked from home, only went out if necessary, etc.) who still got COVID - one of which bad enough to have to go to the hospital for a few days.  I'm in a family if four, which means one of us (typically me) gets stuck next to a stranger (or multiple) and I hate the thought of being next to someone coughing and whatnot for 4-5 hours of a flight.  In my head there are too many unknowns.

Of course, the great thing about living in San Diego = this IS a destination/vacation town (as opposed to, say, OH in the summer) so maybe Plan B is "_you_ come visit _us_  :P )
FWIW my parents live in AZ, which isn't exactly a bastion of prudent pandemic behavior, and we've had no problems visiting them the last few years via drive so maybe a long road trip is in order...
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 19, 2022, 10:14:24 AM
I'm flying Friday. I was really happy when they extended the mask mandate until 5/3. Stupid Florida judge.

But I'm not going to cancel now. I'll probably just double mask and not eat/drink anything in the airport. Ugh. One more thing to worry about. (Or worry more about, I guess.)
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 19, 2022, 11:54:34 AM
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Sigh...
I'm def. not going to fly on a plane w/out everyone masking.
Which puts quite the problem on my family's plans to travel 2200+ miles across the county to visit family this summer.

We are such a stupid, stupid country
(and FWIW this is a judge with incredibly limited judicial experience that was rated "Unqualified" by a peer review upon nomination by our last idiot POTUS  >:( )

It's just not planes.  It's all transit.  Including local public transit.  I normally take the trolley to comic-con.  There's no way I'm doing that this year.  It would be bad enough on a normal day.  But during comic-con people are packed in their like sardines.  Multiple people can literally be breathing into your face from a foot away.

This judge's ruling doesn't even matter though.  Since the mask mandate would be over by then anyways.  It was supposed to end yesterday.  She really only axed the 15 day extension.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: stl_ben on April 19, 2022, 12:27:03 PM
Yeah at this point I do not think we will see any type of new nation wide mandate until another variant flares up.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 19, 2022, 02:31:54 PM
For those who are troubled by the lifting of the mask mandate, reading this summary of numerous scientific studies may help.

https://swprs.org/face-masks-and-covid-the-evidence/
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on April 19, 2022, 06:09:36 PM
I’m happy to report my brother and sister-in-law are getting better.  Sounds like covid only sidelined them for a couple of days.  Both only got the first booster six months ago in addition to the two full doses a year ago.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 20, 2022, 01:00:36 PM
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For those who are troubled by the lifting of the mask mandate, reading this summary of numerous scientific studies may help.

https://swprs.org/face-masks-and-covid-the-evidence/

While "Swiss Policy Research" sounds authoritative, they are anything but.

"The Swiss Policy Research site has been criticized for spreading conspiracy theories including claims that QAnon was a psyop of the FBI[4] and theories relating to the COVID-19 pandemic.[2][5] German public broadcaster Tagesschau calls SPR a propaganda tool.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Policy_Research

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I think it would be a good idea to instead refer to legitimate organizations like the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Here are some papers from scientific journals.

First, an overview of the type of masks.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8326209/

Second, how effective each type is.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7883189/

Lastly, why you should really on wear a N95 at this point.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34746923/

Masks work.  Cloth and surgical masks are only really worthwhile if everyone wears them.  While there is some limited protection for the wearer, their main effect is for exhalation, not inhalation.  A surgeon wears a mask not to protect themselves from the patient, but to protect the patient from them.  It's a spit guard to keep from spitting into someone that's being operated on.

Now that most people don't wear masks, it's only worthwhile to wear a N95 or a KN95.  Or maybe a P100 if you want to go crazy.  Those are effective for inhalation.  They protect you.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 27, 2022, 08:36:05 PM
anyone know how long the free covid tests take to arrive these days?

i used my last test today. it was positive

i would like a neg result before i venture out
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 27, 2022, 08:55:54 PM
If you have any form of health insurance, then it will pay for up to 8 at home tests a month.  The last to implement this requirement was medicare.  It joined medicaid and private health insurance which has been paying for it for months.  Depending on your health insurance provider, it will either be at no upfront cost or through reimbursement.  So you should be able to get 8 free tests a month including from online pharmacies for at home delivery.  Contact your health insurance provider to see what their process is including the pharmacies they may be partnered with for direct purchase.  Places like Walmart should have stock on hand for immediate purchase or shipping.

Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 27, 2022, 09:00:31 PM
Yes, @chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) is right. If you've already ordered 2 rounds of rapid tests through USPS you can't order more yet. But Amazon has the iHealth ones for $17.99 with next-day shipping. Check your health insurer's website to see what their process is, but most of them will reimburse you if you submit a receipt and claim form.

ETA: I hope you're feeling okay @alyssa (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) !
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 27, 2022, 09:06:43 PM
@chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) @semigeekgirl (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1291)

i haven't ordered any free tests prior to today, hence my question.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: lliving on April 27, 2022, 09:09:41 PM
I’ve ordered both sets. First set took 2 1/2 weeks.  Second set arrived in just over a week.


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Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 27, 2022, 09:16:30 PM
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@chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) @semigeekgirl (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1291)

i haven't ordered any free tests prior to today, hence my question.

In that case you're in luck! Order them here: https://www.covid.gov/tests

They do take 4-14 days to arrive, though.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: chocolateshake on April 27, 2022, 10:20:20 PM
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@chocolateshake (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=6586) @semigeekgirl (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1291)

i haven't ordered any free tests prior to today, hence my question.

The free test program run by the Post Office is a completely different program from the 8 free tests a month benefit.  They have nothing to do with one another.  You can go down to a Walmart right now and pickup your free 8 tests for the month paid by your health insurance.  Or you can have Walmart deliver them to your home in 2 days.  Which will probably be quicker than ordering tests through the Post Office.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: puppy on April 27, 2022, 10:44:55 PM
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anyone know how long the free covid tests take to arrive these days?

i used my last test today. it was positive

i would like a neg result before i venture out

I ordered them recently from USPS and it was quick.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 28, 2022, 05:49:30 AM
You can also call your doctor, let them know that you tested positive, and they can probably arrange for you to have a professional test (usually done outdoors, as a drive-through) pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: alyssa on April 29, 2022, 10:35:43 AM
Thx @Transmute Jun (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=314) & everyone,
i still spend most of my time in bed & driving is impossible

good news tho the USPO tests are to be delivered today. I think I ordered them on tues or wed & today is friday.
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 05, 2022, 10:50:07 PM
There is some evidence to suggest Covid-19 can cause erectile dysfunction in men.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/health/covid-impotence-erectile-dysfunction.html
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
Post by: Andrew Costa Mesa on May 06, 2022, 11:05:00 AM
A handful of the 2,600 guests who attended last weekend’s White House Correspondents’ Dinner tested positive for Covid-19.  It was the first event since the pandemic started two years ago.  So far, there are no reports of anybody ending up in the hospital.  Many of those who came back positive said they had no regrets about going and would do it again.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/05/05/covid-white-house-correspondents-dinner-guests-positive
Title: Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
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