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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2021, 11:29:13 AM »
"WandaVision" is Marvel Studios at its best (at lest through 6/9 episodes).  Not only is the series fun, and creative, it's a long-form exploration of Wanda dealing with grief of first losing her twin brother, and then losing her love (in just 3 years of film-release time, no less - devastating for ANYONE).  While we still have about 90ish mins of series left, and we're just cracking the surface of what's going on through 6 30ish min episodes, it seems obvious at this point that the series is centered around Wanda struggling with her personal grieving: add to that Monica and (to a lesser extent) SWORD Director Hayward dealing with their own grief (Monica the death of her mom, Howard potentially grieving internally the consequences of living through 'The Blip').  Framing grief around the comic book streaming medium is such a wonderful, fresh idea, and so far it's being handled very well!  Even what little bit has dealt with 'the blip,' taking serious what SPIDER-MAN: FAR FROM HOME only tangentially discussed (merely as a "yeah, this is a thing; we're kinda making light of it as a signal that we have a much larger story to tell and we want to wave our hands at this in order to not bog down the narrative/running time.  We're going to just move along from here and not really discuss it further: you too shouldn't dwell on the impacts of 'the blip' in any serious manner for the duration of this film!" which I have zero problem with; I mean, this is very comic-booky in its approach at the very least!).

Also, major props for dealing with grief under the guise of recreating the vibe of classic sitcoms.  Having fun and jokey on the surface of grief, not too unlike the famous Kübler-Ross model for the 5 stages of grief: one being "denial" which to an extent Wanda is doing w/her creation of an isolated 'hex' world.  The humor is legit, even if the first ep or two was more of a pastiche situation, having fun with 'classic' sitcoms.  As a mid-40's guy, I relate far more to 70's-00's sitcoms as that's what I grew up watching: I personally found a lot more humor in the Brady Bunch, Family Ties, and ep6 homage of Malcom in the Middle that I did in the Dick Van Dyke & Bewitched sitcoms of the first couple eps.  I really enjoy ep6 with the focus on the kids + Pietro.  The "nutty uncle visits to create mayhem" is a common sitcom trope (as Pietro even kinda references himself) and WOW does it feel like actor Evan Peters is having a blast in the role!  Not only that, but challenging Wanda's actions is a great vehicle for delivering a little bit of explanation to the audience.  Again, well done creatives (side-note: I was only barely aware of creator Jac Schaeffer before this series began, but DAMN is she amazing!).

I love that we're roughly 3 hours into this series, and I still don't feel like I have a good idea of where this is going: in the best of ways!  It feels rare when I can't give a really solid guesstimate of where narrative is headed, but with about 90 minutes to go I have no clue if Wanda will end up moving on to another stage of grief (the 5 stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance), if we'll end this series with Wanda as a "bad guy" moving forward, etc.  It feels like Agnes is indeed captive in the hex, so my initial thoughts that she _may_ be a part of Wanda's plans seem wrong at this point (or at the very least I'm at least far less confident that she's "Aunt Agatha" or some other being controlling or influencing Wanda). 

I haven't been quite this excited for a new episode to drop since fall 2019's "Watchmen" series on HBO.  I really look forward to starting my Friday w/"WandaVision" and I'm excited and intrigued to see where this is headed!  I have a friend who isn't really a big MCU fan (I literally had to explain what "the blip" was after he watched FAR FROM HOME w/out watching either of the last two Avengers films) and at least through the first 4 episodes he was really enjoying this.  I always felt like watching "WandaVision" w/out most of the other MCU films would be like watching RETURN OF THE JEDI as your introduction to Star Wars: fun maybe, but incomprehensible.  I wonder if there are many others out there who are having fun with this series w/out being up-to-date on the MCU films.

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2021, 08:18:13 PM »
Episode 6: SO. MANY. EASTEREGGS!


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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2021, 08:44:59 AM »
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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2021, 11:34:31 AM »
Dopey thought of the morning:

In the MCU there may be/may never have been no COVID pandemic (we are roughly 5 years in the future in the MCU thanks to that time jump in ENDGAME after all).  Maybe the bat that originally caused the pandemic was blipped out and never had a chance to spread the virus upon return.  :o
Or maybe the pandemic will occur in a future film/series; the pandemic might've been delayed 5 years in the MCU and we'll see it dealt with somewhere else.

Or, how much might it have sucked to have the MCU inhabitants get hit with the pandemic with 50% of the population gone: since the blip was random that might've adversely impacted doctors & nurses and other specialists (though with both Bruce AND Stark still around they could've scientifically still beat it back with technology or something a lot quicker maybe).

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2021, 12:32:53 PM »
Ep7 dropped and it was a doozy, albeit somewhat of a 'treading water' episode to set up the "final act" series twist.  It feels like we're coming to an end of "sitcom history," with WandaVision bringing us directly to "The Office"  + "Modern Family" territory (when Vision gives the camera a 'Jim Look' I literally lol'ed quite a bit - bravo, Paul Bettany!).  The balance of the season w/its sitcom homage/pastiche has been a bit awkward.  During the first few eps, when WandaVision did their "Dick Van Dyke Show" and "Bewitched" takes, the show was almost all about the sitcoms and the humor was more of the "oh, it's funny how old timey sitcoms used to be!"  Later episodes like the "Family Ties," "Malcom in the Middle" and this weeks "The Office" homages felt MUCH more natural for the writers to delve into, but the actual narrative was the focus.  It would have been fun to see the writers be able to really spend quality time in those sitcom styles, but the narrative rules the day.  Sometimes the writers almost seemed a bit schizophrenic trying to balance the main narrative w/the sitcom stuff: nonetheless, I've enjoyed it all.  I was kind of really looking forward to seeing sitcom veteran Kat Dennings in a sitcom environment, but the writers quickly skipped over that fun (and Darcy even makes a half-jokey reference to it when she mentions she secretly wanted a guest role on the series).
That's not a complaint, mind you, more like an observation: because luckily this is a well-written narrative that has successfully drawn-out its story without feeling like its spinning its wheels.

For a moment it seemed the writers seemed to be taking a subtle jab at the audienceWanda saying "I'm starting to believe that everything is meaningless.  You're welcome to draw your own conclusions, of course, but that's just where I'm at!"  It almost felt like they were telling us "this is all in good fun: don't overanalyze stuff" until they literally start giving the audience meaning and some answers.  I appreciate the writers' red herring last week with Agnes' encounter w/Vision: as if they knew all of the comic nerds would quickly deduce the Agnes/Agatha Harkness duality and wanted to mess with us before coming clean with the big reveal.  I of course had to stand up and take a bow in my living room since Agatha being the big bad was my guess from week 1 (though obviously last week threw me for a loop: bravo, writers). 
We also now have Vis being updated on his past history, and primed to jump into action to 'save the day' or something over the last 2 episodes.

Or maybe not: we still don't really know 100% what's going on with Vision, besides confirmation this week that SWORD was hoping to harness him as their own controllable weapon before Wanda stole the body.  We don't know how Vision will play into the big finale/showdown: as a tool of Agatha's or Wanda.  And maybe it'll be moot, since Marvel seems to have already established that Monica Rambeau is indeed already a superpowered hero.  They set that up by mentioned her molecular structure was altered by going through the Hex, and her return seems to have solidified and given her powers.  Marvel wisely set this up with their 'visual vocabulary' by having her land in the standard MCU Hero Landing Pose when Wanda tried to throw her and Monica ended up landing back on the ground.  You know the one: the pose first exhibited by Iron Man in the original film where he lands in a pseudo-crouch, hand/first on the ground and head tilting in a badass manner (I think maybe Deadpool even kind of mocked that in the movie).  Perhaps the big finale will be Monica as superhero.

In the comics, Rambeau gained powers after coming into contact after being bombarded by extra-dimensional energy (wielded via a weapon by a bad guy scientist), so that tracks with where we're at here.
For those not hip to the comics, her powers over the years have involved:
* Appearance Modulation (she can appear as other people, though she doesn't change her physical appearance: meaning if she's trying to mimic the Hulk she wouldn't automatically grow several feet)
* flight
* super speed
* phasing through solid matter & other energy barriers (similar to Vision)
* Energy Manipulations: can blast energy, absorb energy, 'sense' energy (like we already saw)

So while Ep7 revealed a lot, not a lot happened: it was a set-up episode that will lead us into the final 2 eps of the season (series?), and we still have several questions:
* is Agatha manipulating the situation or just taking advantage of Wanda's PTS?
* Pietro - (the mid-credits stinger was interesting painting him even more as a bad guy than the Halloween ep hinted at)
* is someone working with Agatha?  We already know at least one actor who was cast that we haven't seen yet
* is SWORD nefarious (or at least is Director Hayward bad, or merely another 'government is bad' metaphor)
* will Wanda maintain her Avenger philosophy ('good guy') or will she join Agatha as a 'bad guy?'
* what's up with Vision: does he have any power to really save the day or is he some sort of deeper construct (as Pietro said, "you can't kill him twice")

I still love that we're 3.5 hours into the series, with only 2 eps (presumably 60 minutes) left, and I still don't have a good idea where this is all headed.  Obviously a big confrontation is looming in our immediate future, but where this ends up feels like anyone's guess.
And I LOVE that: it's rare a kinda long-form story can be unpredictable enough to really keep me guessing all the way through to the end!

It feels like we're saying goodby to the sitcom pastiche: a shame, because it has been truly fun to watch Paul Bettany, Elizabeth Olson, Katherine Hahn, and the rest playing in the sitcom's-past sandbox.  I think the "It's Agatha All Along" end-credits theme is a perfectly apt sendoff to the sitcom homage of the series.  And the 'end credits' even gave us another "alternate viewpoint" of happenings showing us Agatha was indeed manipulating situations all along.
We'll see how this ends, but it's clear that Kevin Feigi in charge of Marvel streaming is a win for us fans.  Series creator Jac Schaeffer has _NAILED IT_ as far as bringing us a fairly fresh take on at least a few of MCU's heroes, and knowing she also wrote BLACK WIDOW I'm now more excited for that film than I was a few months ago.

What do you all think: where do you think this is ending?  Have you been digging this as much as me?!

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2021, 09:12:05 PM »
For a filler episode, this was great. Loved the commercial this time, so typical of the medication ads of the 2000’s. All the internet speculation about Monica’s aerospace engineer friend, the actual reveal was probably a let down for a lot of people. So many little nuggets in this episode. Was the book in basement the dark hold? Did we just see Photon’s origin story? Having an after credits scene was also a pleasant surprise.
On a less serious note, So was the “Agatha All Along” song like a riff on “The Munsters” theme?  Agatha’s statement about Sparky the dog at the end definitely had a Wizard of Oz “and your little dog Toto, too” vibe.


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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2021, 05:51:07 PM »
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For a filler episode, this was great. Loved the commercial this time, so typical of the medication ads of the 2000’s. All the internet speculation about Monica’s aerospace engineer friend, the actual reveal was probably a let down for a lot of people. So many little nuggets in this episode. Was the book in basement the dark hold? Did we just see Photon’s origin story? Having an after credits scene was also a pleasant surprise.
On a less serious note, So was the “Agatha All Along” song like a riff on “The Munsters” theme?  Agatha’s statement about Sparky the dog at the end definitely had a Wizard of Oz “and your little dog Toto, too” vibe.


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ABSOLUTELY a riff on the "Munster" theme!!  The killing of Sparky at the end made me crack up so many times: just a great stinger to a perfect gag!  Also, I'm _dying_ to see what Agatha's full-on witchy costume looks like (as well as what she looks like: is she a timeless witch? Does she really look like an old woman but the Agnes look is just part of the disguise?).

One thing I forgot to give a shout-out to is the aspect ratio change: early on in the episode, when we get back to Westview 'circus,' we see the bars disappear to full on 16:9 aspect ratio that modern widescreen TV's use!  As somewhat of a format nerd, when I saw those black bars start to 'disappear' as the ratio expanded, I literally stood up from my couch and applauded!
What I didn't notice, however, was when the ratio changed BACK to the more anamorphic/cinematic widescreen ratio (ie black bars) when Wanda enters Agatha's basement looking for the boys.  It's really subtle, since the environment is really dark down there (I didn't notice it until after someone else told me but when I rewatched it it became apparent).  I thought maybe that was to signify they were "in the real world" instead of the Hex construct; but the mid-credits scene on Agatha's law/opening up the cellar (which I would think is technically within the Hex construct) was still in the cinematic widescreen ratio as inside the cellar so I dunno about that one.

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2021, 11:54:38 AM »
Episode 8: "Previously On"

Well, the title of the episode pretty much tells the audience we're essentially in for an "info dump"/exposition episode.  For a penultimate episode it felt a little 'meh' to me: think of some of the absolute classic episodes of "The Sopranos," "Breaking Bad," etc. and most of them were the penultimate finales.
BUT, we did get a lot of pertinent information.

We first get the info showing us a bit of Agatha's background: an extremely powerful witch back in Salem who practiced the most dark magic.  We also early-on get a favorite throw-away line from Agatha, calling the fake Pietro 'Fietro.'  Yes, I lol'ed.  While there was necessarily any information that propelled the narrative forward, we did get some background info of Wanda's childhood, events in between ENDGAME & "WandaVision," and some 'filling in of the blanks' between AGE OF ULTRON and ENDGAME.  I won't go into a 'recap' or whatnot, as I'm not really into recapitulating stuff you either just saw or are about to see; but I will talk about some of my 'favorite' things.

I liked how the episode seems to mostly be framed with Agatha trying to figure out what's up with Wanda.  Wanda isn't a witch that Agatha is necessarily familiar with, and has enormous powers that may rival her own.  This series has been centered on pointing out just how powerful Wanda is and as a longtime comic nerd I appreciate the MCU _FINALLY_ delving into her powers the way the movies seemed to mostly gloss over.  The first 'flashback 'we get details Wanda's childhood, and I don't know if I like that there is an explainer as to why "WandaVision" had the sitcom pastiche.  I guess there are plenty of fans that would 'demand' or expect a reason why so many eps are framed as classic sitcoms through the years, but I personally dug it as a non-sequitur.  I 100% understand the reasoning though, and don't begrudge Marvel or fans who may be happy to get that reason 'why.'  Oddly, I'm more curious why such an old sitcom would appear to Wanda; she's a more than a decade younger than myself, and while I def. grew up watching 'classic' sitcoms in syndication as a kid I liked the stuff closer to my age and thought the really older stuff was a bit too corny as a kid.  Again, that's just me though.
I did like how as a child her family was killed in a bombing via Stark Industries bomb: reinforcing her & Pietro's hatred for Tony (and by extension The Avengers).  Maybe a bit of retconning, but generally done well.

I wonder if they utilized the same Hydra actors as we saw in ULTRON (and in the end-credits stinger of WINTER SOLDIER)?  I've had a super busy morning and haven't had time to look that up, but it did cross my mind. (the used different actors for Hydra experimenting on Wanda than previous MCU films).
One thing I DID like about the exposition-heavy flashbacks is they're all framed to further emphasize this series is all about Wanda's grieving process: it's even explicitly spelled out by Agatha as she mentions "lost your parents, lost your brother, lost Vision."  Before ep7's reveal of Agatha, it seemed many couldn't understand that the main 'big bad' of the series was Wanda's grief: her struggling with dealing with all of the loss of her shortish life is a big enough "bad guy."  Being a comic book series, though, adding Agatha into the mix makes sense of course, but this series is clearly about grief and coping.

It also may be interesting to go back and rewatch this paying attention to the color schemes.  We all know Agatha rocks the red most of the time, and her kids wear colors reminiscent of their comic character's Teen Avengers costumes.  Agatha/Agnes has often worn/been around purple.  I noticed in this episode the most monochromatic Wanda looks is when she goes to SWORD HQ to retrieve Vision: gray sweater with a very muted red shirt underneath (and of course she has a red car  :P ). 

As for the SWORD scenes...

Vision's (mutilated) body looked a bit more colorful than the shades of grey he was when we saw him last in the MCU: after Thanos kills him.  I like how at least in Wanda's mind (as the flashbacks were from her perspective) her goal was to retriever her body for burial.  We now know, of course SWORD had other plans and wasn't going to let that happen.  But framing the situation as "Wanda was trying to bury her love, likely as a healing process, and her hand was forced/she was manipulated by SWORD doing the wrong thing by her."  If I was more cynical, I might be slightly annoyed that they're going out of their way to paint Wanda as the grieving/manipulated good guy but framing it all as part of a grieving process is really well-handled IMO.  The general "SWORD as corporate/government bad guy" is underscored with Wanda grieving and hearing Director Hayward equate her loss with "we're not just going to let you take $3 billion in vibranium to bury in the ground" is devastating and is easily enough to set her over the edge to put everything for "WandaVision"/Westview into motion.

And how about Westview pre-Wanda's Hex?  Fun to see it as a worn-down sleepy town (all the townspeople she sees/we see in their natural pre-Hex habitat looked dour: further underscoring 'Wanda isn't necessarily doing bad by them, she's maybe thinking she's improving their lives as well as her own' thematically).  It was awesome to see Wanda full-on unleash (maybe not full-on: we dunno what she's capable yet in the MCU, huh?!) her powers to set up the Westview Hex.  And of course, near the end I _LOVED_ hearing Agatha FINALLY refer to Wanda as "Scarlet Witch!"  While it wouldn't have made a ton of sense in previous films to give her that name w/out some heavy exposition, in this context it makes sense and, again, for comics fans we have to smirk and get nerdy about that being stated aloud.  Couple that with Agatha mentioning "Chaos Magic" and exciting!!  Of course we get the mid-credits stinger of 'white' Vision ala the VisionQuest storyline (see West Coast Avengers #45 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ) which makes sense, though feels odd to interject that at the tail-end of the penultimate episode with minimal story time left (unless a future MCU film piggybacks on the storyline/picks it up narratively - which, I suppose, DOCTOR STRANGE IN THE MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS _might_?).

Looking forward to seeing how this wraps up next week!  Oh, and does Agatha feeding the giant fly to her rabbit put an end to the Mephisto theory? Or like the ep6 Agnes scene is this another red herring?  (said in best TV announcer voice) "tune in next week: same witchy time/same witchy channel!"

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2021, 11:56:29 AM »
Still loving this show!  I am notoriously critical of movies/TV and they keep making choices that I like.


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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2021, 12:53:17 PM »
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Still loving this show!  I am notoriously critical of movies/TV and they keep making choices that I like.
I agree; I can get really nitpicky with stuff I'm passionate about, but either I've mellowed a bit with age or this is really well done (or, likely, both)

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2021, 04:45:26 PM »
Out of curiosity, how many folks have knowledge of Scarlet Witch, The Vision, Monica Rambau, and Agatha Harkness from the comics/her history?

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2021, 04:50:12 PM »
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Out of curiosity, how many folks have knowledge of Scarlet Witch, The Vision, Monica Rambau, and Agatha Harkness from the comics/her history?

I know very little; It's very exciting to see where this is going.


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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2021, 05:37:18 PM »
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Out of curiosity, how many folks have knowledge of Scarlet Witch, The Vision, Monica Rambau, and Agatha Harkness from the comics/her history?

I have fairly strong knowledge of Viz, SW, and Monica (I call her Captain Marvel from the MSHRPG) from silver/bronze.  I recognize Agatha as Franklin Richards nanny and a baddie but that's about it.  I read House of M once. I tend to have to avoid previews as my time reading comics lets me figure out the twists.  Not not not bragging--I've just wasted a LOT of time reading comics for a few decades.

I do have to say its been weird that the general public now knows these characters.  Not bad, just weird.

Different topic:  A coworker asked me once 15 years ago "why comics?" as she made fun of me.  I said "why football?  And why not?"  I have to say I feel somewhat vindicated now.

To me the show captures a good comic story.  Once a week/month you watch/read a show/comic, think and talk about what you saw, and tune in/read another chapter in a week/month. 

I LOVE the fact that it stayed SW doing this and she wasn't manipulated into it.  Makes the story more complex.

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2021, 05:39:31 PM »
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Out of curiosity, how many folks have knowledge of Scarlet Witch, The Vision, Monica Rambau, and Agatha Harkness from the comics/her history?

I know nothing.  I found this episode really interesting and helpful! 

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Re: WandaVision - that weirdness just beneath the suburb's surface
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2021, 07:20:21 PM »
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Out of curiosity, how many folks have knowledge of Scarlet Witch, The Vision, Monica Rambau, and Agatha Harkness from the comics/her history?

I knew Wanda is the Scarlet Witch but I didn't know the backstory.