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Title: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on January 15, 2019, 03:38:26 PM
Ooooh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG7IbdM18MU
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: NCDS on January 16, 2019, 11:43:47 AM
I hate being right that there wouldn't be another SDCC panel, but I figured this would happen.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: DRWHO42 on January 16, 2019, 06:36:20 PM
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I hate being right that there wouldn't be another SDCC panel, but I figured this would happen.
There is a shot at one.

A panel in advance of the Blu-Ray release is the perfect boast for sales.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: TardisMom on January 17, 2019, 07:38:29 AM
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There is a shot at one.

A panel in advance of the Blu-Ray release is the perfect boast for sales.

Love your positive attitude!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: Transmute Jun on January 17, 2019, 09:10:30 AM
They had a cool Ready Player One offsite last year to promote the DVD. Deadpool 2 had a panel and screening to promote its DVD.

But I do find it unlikely that they will be promoting a GoT DVD at SDCC. It's a TV series, not a movie.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: perc2100 on January 17, 2019, 10:51:36 AM
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They had a cool Ready Player One offsite last year to promote the DVD. Deadpool 2 had a panel and screening to promote its DVD.

But I do find it unlikely that they will be promoting a GoT DVD at SDCC. It's a TV series, not a movie.

I could maybe see them doing an offsite: to maybe promote not only the Bluray set of the series ("now, with tons of bonus features and extra footage!"), but maybe also to start buzz on the prequel series.  I dunno how far out that series is, but maybe they'll be ready to drop to artwork, announce casting, etc.  A panel would likely be WAY too cost prohibitive for GoT, I would think.  Sometimes a series might have a panel as a sort-of "victory lap" or huge fan 'thank you,' so maybe there is at least a modicum of a sliver of a sliver of hope :P 

W/DEADPOOL 2 last summer, they were ALSO hyping the theatrical release of the PG-13, no?  Or at that time was it just the Super Duper Cut Blu they were selling to the crowd?  An offsite seems a lot more feasible as far as financial viability I would think
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: semigeekgirl on January 17, 2019, 11:39:16 AM
Something to promote the prequel, with maybe a small tie-in to honor GoT's last season, seems far more likely to me. But I think that will depend entirely on how far along they are on the prequel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: NCDS on January 17, 2019, 11:47:50 AM
I hope you are all right but I think you are going to have to wait for a reunion panel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: perc2100 on January 18, 2019, 10:44:59 AM
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I hope you are all right but I think you are going to have to wait for a reunion panel.
I agree
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: Chris on January 18, 2019, 09:24:24 PM
Lalalalalalalalala!  Not reading anything until after the season is over.  :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: AzT on February 25, 2019, 09:18:06 PM
https://www.mpaa.org/2019/02/hbo-reveals-actual-game-of-thrones-season-8-footage/

https://youtu.be/9FHYri6Y4oA
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: AzT on March 04, 2019, 09:43:47 AM
!!!!

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: AzT on March 05, 2019, 10:33:15 AM
https://youtu.be/rlR4PJn8b8I
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: ShannonCooper87 on March 05, 2019, 03:28:28 PM
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https://youtu.be/rlR4PJn8b8I

I am so looking forward to this and it can't come quick enough.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: jamiesugah on March 05, 2019, 05:10:09 PM
I just want a Gendry/Arya reunion. I don't care about anything else. They've killed off most of my favorites at this point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: vegasndn on March 05, 2019, 05:53:08 PM
Wow, I’ve have my schedule clear for that evening. Maybe grill some steaks and enjoy the return on 4/14


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: Transmute Jun on March 05, 2019, 06:17:55 PM
I want to see Dany have a 'Snow Baby'! ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: jazzyj on March 05, 2019, 10:40:43 PM
No matter how many times I watch this trailer/read Reddit theories, I will never ever be emotionally prepared for season 8. Jaime is my favorite character (alongside Brienne just because <3) and I'm 99.99% sure he's going to die so when that happens, I'm already planning to wear black to work the following day (or maybe take a sick day to recover)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: debster on March 06, 2019, 03:20:48 AM
I’m doing my best to stay spoiler free, but I did watch the trailer. I don’t know how they’re going to be able to cram everything in with so few episodes, so I’m preparing myself that there are going to be some loose ends. I just hope they’re not anything I really care about!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: rabbitwarren on March 24, 2019, 07:25:32 AM
I took a weekend trip to Iceland. I made it to north of the wall. Would definitely recommend doing a GoT tour.  Unlike TV show tours, the sites are impressive even without the show association.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: mlgagne on March 28, 2019, 10:47:32 AM
I'm equally excited and terrified for this final season, haha! I actually coordinated my trip home in May to coincide with the series finale, since my family and I watched all of the other seasons together. Plus, I feel like emotional support will definitely be a necessity when watching that last episode :'(

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Jaime is my favorite character (alongside Brienne just because <3) and I'm 99.99% sure he's going to die so when that happens, I'm already planning to wear black to work the following day (or maybe take a sick day to recover)

Seconded! He's also a favorite of both myself and my mom, and we are prepared from him to die - but we may both need a day of recovery. Though TBH, I'm actually just so grateful that he made it to the last season! LOL
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: Blubutterfly505 on April 01, 2019, 09:44:56 AM
I live in Santa Fe, NM where George R R Matin lives and owns a small movie theater. On Tuesdays he has free screenings of 2 episodes from season 7 leading up the to premier showing on April, 14th. At every showing he gives out 2 tickets for the April 14th event. So far my family and I have struck out but it doesn't matter, we have so much fun. There is nothing like watching the show on the big screen, with surround sound and 150 people who all love it as much as you. We gasp, cheer and laugh together. Plus the the theater has the best popcorn and a bar. We only have a couple more showings to win tickets so wish us luck.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: jazzyj on April 10, 2019, 07:23:16 PM
Head's up for any fellow Bay Area GoT fans:

The AT&T store in downtown SF (aka right by the Powell St. cable car turnaround) is hosting a mini-GoT exhibit again. They have the Iron Throne, costumes from the show, and a few interactive VR stations. They said that it will be there by the end of May so if you're ever in the City, please check it out (especially if you're a costume geek like me)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: mark on April 10, 2019, 07:30:02 PM
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Head's up for any fellow Bay Area GoT fans:

The AT&T store in downtown SF (aka right by the Powell St. cable car turnaround) is hosting a mini-GoT exhibit again. They have the Iron Throne, costumes from the show, and a few interactive VR stations. They said that it will be there by the end of May so if you're ever in the City, please check it out (especially if you're a costume geek like me)

Thanks! Will try to get up there and check it out.

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I live in Santa Fe, NM where George R R Matin lives and owns a small movie theater. On Tuesdays he has free screenings of 2 episodes from season 7 leading up the to premier showing on April, 14th. At every showing he gives out 2 tickets for the April 14th event. So far my family and I have struck out but it doesn't matter, we have so much fun. There is nothing like watching the show on the big screen, with surround sound and 150 people who all love it as much as you. We gasp, cheer and laugh together. Plus the the theater has the best popcorn and a bar. We only have a couple more showings to win tickets so wish us luck.

I am going back to NM this summer for a HS reunion and I really want to escape and go see whatever the Jean Cocteau happens to be showing.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: justboogie on April 11, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
https://www.foodandwine.com/news/shake-shack-game-of-thrones-menu-nationwide

Collaboration between Shake Shack and GoT. GoT themed menu items for a limited time.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 11, 2019, 01:02:23 PM
I'm honestly beyond meh on the show at this point, but I am LOVING all the tie-ins. :) I really love themed stuff.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: mark on April 11, 2019, 01:43:23 PM
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https://www.foodandwine.com/news/shake-shack-game-of-thrones-menu-nationwide

Collaboration between Shake Shack and GoT. GoT themed menu items for a limited time.

That's the last thing my diet needs, but it can't be coincidence that the first Shake Shack recently opened up in the Bay area.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: Blubutterfly505 on April 11, 2019, 02:18:26 PM
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I am going back to NM this summer for a HS reunion and I really want to escape and go see whatever the Jean Cocteau happens to be showing.

You wont be disappointed. Its a great little old theater. He shows a lot of indie films which I love plus he has book readings, musical acts, magicians and art shows that are always fun to catch. Plus, he has tones of GoT merchandise. Everything from books, graphic novels, Funko pops, other toys and games that are all signed with no extra fee. Enjoy :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: jazzyj on April 14, 2019, 10:30:20 AM
TODAY'S THE DAY! GAME OF THRONES IS FINALLY BACK!

What's everyone's plans for the premiere tonight? I feel like a lot of my friends are hosting viewing parties but I'm the type of person that doesn't want distractions so I'm soloing it. Maybe pick up some bread, meat, and cheese and just have a little party of one while wearing my northern cloak.

What else is everyone doing?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: TardisMom on April 14, 2019, 10:37:55 AM
Sounds like the perfect evening!

My younger daughter is having a watch party.  She is serving meat pie, lemon cakes, shortbread cookies with stamped sigils, and more.  My older daughter and I will be sitting in front of the our tv with GoT Oreos and White Walker whiskey drinks.  And I'm already wearing my House Stark tee shirt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: mark on April 14, 2019, 10:46:16 AM
We're keeping things low key. We've been rewatching key/fave episodes and have 5 left to get through before tonight. Figure we'll do something grander for the finale.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: jazzyj on April 14, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
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Sounds like the perfect evening!

My younger daughter is having a watch party.  She is serving meat pie, lemon cakes, shortbread cookies with stamped sigils, and more.  My older daughter and I will be sitting in front of the our tv with GoT Oreos and White Walker whiskey drinks.  And I'm already wearing my House Stark tee shirt.
Wow your daughter's watch party sounds delicious! I might have to do something like that at some point this season (maybe host a party the day before the series finale). Also your comment reminds me that I've still yet to open my White Walker whiskey xD

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We're keeping things low key. We've been rewatching key/fave episodes and have 5 left to get through before tonight. Figure we'll do something grander for the finale.
Good idea for going all out for the finale! I might just have to steal this idea
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 14, 2019, 11:36:31 AM
I definitely want to go all out for the finale, but for this first one we'll just stick with our Oreos and GoT wine.

I'm really torn about the whole thing - I love the world and the costumes and the characters but I think the plot/storytelling in the last two seasons was straight-up terrible and I really don't think it's possible to make it a good show again at this point. But I love the world so much that I can't not watch it, even though I'm pretty sure I'll hate it.

But I hope everyone else is getting to enjoy it less complicatedly!

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: alyssa on April 14, 2019, 03:49:53 PM
i gave in... & signed up for hbo now on amazon.....  yes, i'm a overTheAir (ota) type
watching the last episodes of season 7 now. ;)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: lborgia88 on April 14, 2019, 04:59:13 PM
A watch party sounds like a great idea! 
Me, I've been hiking today, so my plan (once I leave the pub where I stopped for a beer, or two) is a hot shower, yoga attire, wine, and some leg stretching when 9pm hits.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 14, 2019, 07:34:53 PM
Love the episode!

My favorite part was Jon, Dany and the dragons...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: debster on April 14, 2019, 07:39:17 PM
I liked how Jaime was so smug/happy to have made it to Winterfell undetected and then his look of dismay when he sees Bran basically waiting for him.

That pattern made of limbs and the Umber boy in the middle? So creepy.
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Post by: jazzyj on April 14, 2019, 07:53:20 PM
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I liked how Jaime was so smug/happy to have made it to Winterfell undetected and then his look of dismay when he sees Bran basically waiting for him.

Honestly this was my favorite reunion of the night. It's a nice parallel to the very first episode.

Also when Sam was asking Bran why he was waiting outside and he replied "just waiting for an old friend" I was like "IS IT JAIME?!?" And boom, Goldenboi rides into Winterfell and I'm so hyped for the next episode. Who knew waiting for another week is torturous?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 14, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
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That pattern made of limbs and the Umber boy in the middle? So creepy.

Also a parallel to the first episode, where the White Walkers left the corpses of the villagers in weird symbols.

In the nextie they showed Dany talking about the stories she had heard of the man who murdered her father, with Jamie looking uncomfortable...  >:D

As an aside, I added 'Spoilers' to the title of this thread.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on April 14, 2019, 10:22:32 PM
Watched it with about 10 people and we all thought for sure someone was going to die.  Filled out a prediction sheet with the prize being $11 and eternal bragging rights.

Really enjoyed the new intro!  I will be over analyzing it for sure.  I am wondering what Jon will do with the revelation.  Got super creeped out with the dead kid waking up.  Nicely done, GoT.  Can’t wait for next week!


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: debster on April 15, 2019, 07:41:18 AM
I keep thinking about Sam’s reaction when he finds out Dany killed his father and his brother for not bending the knee - it makes my heart hurt.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: jamiesugah on April 15, 2019, 08:23:08 AM
So many reunions! My Gendrya heart was happy.

I thought everyone was a little too chill about the fact that the Night King a) broke through the Wall and b) has a wight dragon.
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Post by: lborgia88 on April 15, 2019, 08:27:14 AM
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In the nextie they showed Dany talking about the stories she had heard of the man who murdered her father, with Jamie looking uncomfortable...  >:D

Yeah, and I can see her also getting some "you murdered my father," from Sam.  Granted, a case can easily be made that the mad king had it coming, and maybe even that Lord Tarly did too (Cersei doesn't respect mercy, Daenerys had to demonstrate she could be ruthless etc...)

I loved the scene at the end when Jaime saw Bran, and realized that Bran knows..   I'm really looking forward to seeing how the whole long redemption arc that Jaime has been on is resolved!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 15, 2019, 09:29:12 AM
The big difference between Cersei and Dany is that while they are both ruthless, and understand what they have to do to secure their positions, Dany is genuinely upset (and sometimes remorseful) when she has to do things like execute the Tarlys. Cersei never has any regrets and just has a cold heart.

Question:  I can't recall...  know Sansa's and Tyrion's marriage was annulled so she could marry Ramsay... but how 'official' is that annulment? Is there a possibility that they are still married?

Questions for discussion:

How long before Sam realizes that he is head of House Tarly?

Do you think Cersei is pregnant?

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: semigeekgirl on April 15, 2019, 09:38:13 AM
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The big difference between Cersei and Dany is that while they are both ruthless, and understand what they have to do to secure their positions, Dany is genuinely upset (and sometimes remorseful) when she has to do things like execute the Tarlys. Cersei never has any regrets and just has a cold heart.

Question:  I can't recall...  know Sansa's and Tyrion's marriage was annulled so she could marry Ramsay... but how 'official' is that annulment? Is there a possibility that they are still married?

Questions for discussion:

How long before Sam realizes that he is head of House Tarly?

Do you think Cersei is pregnant?

There's a possibility they're still married, but Tyrion would have to press his claim on her for it to matter, and unless a lot changes I can't imagine he would.

Sam is technically not the head of House Tarly unless he resigns his Watch, and at that point he's forsworn and a criminal punishable by death, so I think he's still not. He'd have to leave the Night's Watch and get a pardon from Jon or Dany or Cersei to become head of the house. Which is definitely possible but probably not a priority for him right away. So at the moment the head of House Tarly is Sam's sister (I think he had one?) or an uncle or cousin if not.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mark on April 15, 2019, 09:43:41 AM
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So many reunions! My Gendrya heart was happy.

I thought everyone was a little too chill about the fact that the Night King a) broke through the Wall and b) has a wight dragon.

I know right! Why aren't they asking Bran where they are every 20 minutes?

I think Cersei is actually pregnant, I can't imagine her lying to Jaime about it. Anybody else sure. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 15, 2019, 10:01:39 AM
Good point, Semigeekgirl, about Sam's Night's Watch vows.

I agree, I think Tyrion could press a claim on the marriage, but won't. It was never consummated anyway.

Cersei is acting pregnant, especially not drinking wine recently. And the look on her face when Euron said that he would get her pregnant... priceless!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: lborgia88 on April 15, 2019, 10:09:31 AM
I like the idea of Sam's sister becoming the head of House Tarly, though I anticipate that all the members of the Nights Watch are going to be released from their vows at some point, as the reason for their existence (the evil in the far north) will be gone.  But would Sam want to be Lord Tarly?  He seems, at heart, a maester.  But a chance to marry Gilly and have more children, I could see him wanting that too.

Thinking about it, I agree that Daenerys is no Cersei, but comes near to crossing the line sometimes.  But she came from an extreme "school of hard knocks," to be sure, so I can see where that comes from.  She'd be dead if she hadn't learned the hard lessons.  But she' often seems so very complacent and certain too that she is entitled/destined to rule the seven kingdoms, and that may be her justification for ruthlessness.  And now we've got Jon, the true Targaryen heir who keeps telling everyone how unimportant being king is to him, just saving Westeros, and I can't help but think that Danaerys made a fatal error there, with the Tarlys.  Sam, like Ser Davos, is one of those "moral compass" characters.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 15, 2019, 10:22:13 AM
I found this online and was amused.

(https://i.imgur.com/WEjjJzY.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: justboogie on April 15, 2019, 10:39:04 AM
We've waited nearly 2 years for GoT! Go big or go home. A very underwhelming episode for me. The only thing that made up for it were the reunions/tie-ins which were all quite satisfying. It's crazy how many of these characters haven't shared the same scene since season 1. From here on out I'm hoping each episode will have more death, blood, nudity, and someone sitting on the Iron Throne.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Virgo911 on April 15, 2019, 10:43:36 AM
Especially since there are only 5 more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: justboogie on April 15, 2019, 10:59:19 AM
Here's the run times for the episodes for this last season:

Winterfell – 54 mins
Episode two – 58 mins
Episode three – 82 minutes
Episode four – 78 minutes
Episode five – 79 minutes
Episode six – 79 minutes

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Virgo911 on April 15, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
They better come with it then. I want to be talking about this season for years to come. LOL
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: Virgo911 on April 15, 2019, 11:31:11 AM
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Sounds like the perfect evening!

My younger daughter is having a watch party.  She is serving meat pie, lemon cakes, shortbread cookies with stamped sigils, and more.  My older daughter and I will be sitting in front of the our tv with GoT Oreos and White Walker whiskey drinks.  And I'm already wearing my House Stark tee shirt.

So how did the watch party turn out? The spread sounded really good. i just watched with my bottle of vodka. Haha.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TravT77 on April 15, 2019, 12:59:46 PM
How long before one of those dragons turns that Iron Throne into a pile of molten metal? I see that happening. I am also of the opinion that Cersei is NOT pregnant. Basically because just about every word out of her mouth is a lie.

Overall, I was a little underwhelmed. All day I’ve been playing scenes back through my mind and then realizing they were from the last 3 episodes of last season(which I watched just before last nights premier).  So nothing especially interesting sticks out for me. But I have no doubt it will pick up the pace soon!


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on April 15, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
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We've waited nearly 2 years for GoT! Go big or go home. A very underwhelming episode for me. The only thing that made up for it were the reunions/tie-ins which were all quite satisfying. It's crazy how many of these characters haven't shared the same scene since season 1. From here on out I'm hoping each episode will have more death, blood, nudity, and someone sitting on the Iron Throne.

It was about as I expected. The first episode of a season is always a reintroduction episode. The thing that irritated me was the extended HBO it's coming in X minutes countdown. Then the first few minutes of the episode was a recap.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on April 15, 2019, 01:04:14 PM
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Cersei is acting pregnant, especially not drinking wine recently. And the look on her face when Euron said that he would get her pregnant... priceless!

During that scene Cersei was drinking wine. Anyways, I don't think that not drinking while pregnant in Westeros is a thing.
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 15, 2019, 01:06:12 PM
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I liked how Jaime was so smug/happy to have made it to Winterfell undetected and then his look of dismay when he sees Bran basically waiting for him.

I keep wondering what's happened to Jamie's hair.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on April 15, 2019, 01:09:25 PM
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How long before one of those dragons turns that Iron Throne into a pile of molten metal?

I'm firmly on Team Nobody Sits On The Throne.

How can you "break the wheel" and sit on the throne at the same time? Come on, Daenerys, burn the Red Keep to the ground. Break that wheel.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season
Post by: lborgia88 on April 16, 2019, 08:24:05 AM
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I keep wondering what's happened to Jamie's hair.

I was just rewatching episode 1 of season 1 last night (so many parallels with the new episode) and I think that Jaime wins the award for the most changed hair (2nd place to Arya). I'd forgotten how much blonder he and Tyrion used to be.  I guess over time, the show's creators stopped caring about the "Lannisters are all blond" thing, especially as it ceased to be a plot point.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on April 20, 2019, 09:29:09 AM
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How long before one of those dragons turns that Iron Throne into a pile of molten metal? I see that happening.

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Ohhhhhh ... I like that! Talk about “breaking the wheel.”


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mark on April 20, 2019, 09:50:06 AM
Last night we rewatched the season 8 premiere and then the first two episodes of season 1.  So much foreshadowing and dramatic irony in those first 2 episodes. Also parallels that I had missed, compare Jon and Arya's hug.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TravT77 on April 20, 2019, 12:11:49 PM
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Last night we rewatched the season 8 premiere and then the first two episodes of season 1.  So much foreshadowing and dramatic irony in those first 2 episodes. Also parallels that I had missed, compare Jon and Arya's hug.
Right? It really comes through, just how much they are thinking when they write the episodes. I was amazed how much they have all changed, especially Tyrion! Just doesn’t seem like it has been THAT long. Which is ironic considering how much I tend to gripe about the length of time between seasons.
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Post by: mark on April 20, 2019, 01:00:59 PM
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Right? It really comes through, just how much they are thinking when they write the episodes. I was amazed how much they have all changed, especially Tyrion! Just doesn’t seem like it has been THAT long. Which is ironic considering how much I tend to gripe about the length of time between seasons.
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We got a good laugh out of Tyrion's hairdo :)

Once scene that really plays differently now is the little picnic with Robert and Ned.
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Post by: AzT on April 21, 2019, 07:41:42 PM
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Post by: jazzyj on April 21, 2019, 07:50:39 PM
SER BRIENNE OF TARTH.

Guys, I legit started crying during that scene when Jaime knighted Brienne. It was so beautiful and her reaction in the end when you can see her smiling with tears in her eyes...GAHHH. All in all as a fan of both Jaime and Brienne, this episode was a GIFT (too bad one of them is probably going to die).

Also...BATTLE OF WINTERFELL IS NEXT WEEK. I can't believe I get to be emotionally traumatized the same weekend as Avengers: Endgame
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 21, 2019, 08:06:36 PM
I had forgotten that a knight could make another knight... that was a key plot point of the Hedge Knight stories!
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Post by: Blubutterfly505 on April 21, 2019, 08:26:34 PM
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SER BRIENNE OF TARTH.

Guys, I legit started crying during that scene when Jaime knighted Brienne. It was so beautiful and her reaction in the end when you can see her smiling with tears in her eyes...GAHHH. All in all as a fan of both Jaime and Brienne, this episode was a GIFT (too bad one of them is probably going to die).

Also...BATTLE OF WINTERFELL IS NEXT WEEK. I can't believe I get to be emotionally traumatized the same weekend as Avengers: Endgame
Me too!!! That was such an emotional scene

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Post by: Blubutterfly505 on April 21, 2019, 08:27:39 PM
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Post by: jamiesugah on April 21, 2019, 08:59:43 PM
Fandom is split on the Gendry/Arya scene and I'm just sitting here grinning because I've been waiting for that since season 2.

Sansa and Theon's reunion got to me way more than I thought it would.

Jon has, as usual, the worst timing in the world. "Hey we're about to die but it turns out I'm heir to the throne or some junk."
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Post by: jazzyj on April 21, 2019, 09:59:50 PM
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Sansa and Theon's reunion got to me way more than I thought it would.

SAME. I didn't know I needed that scene and BOOM, I get hit by the feels train.
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Post by: Pyramid on April 21, 2019, 10:02:05 PM
Daenerys is right, the dead are already here.  Looks like the Night King is going to raise the dead in Winterfell’s crypt next week.
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Post by: handelacruz on April 21, 2019, 11:44:56 PM
Oh boy, what a great episode. I also teared up just a little when Brienne was knighted. Probably my favorite part of the whole thing.

I'm not ready for the next episode, its about to get too crazy!
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 22, 2019, 12:02:24 AM
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Jon has, as usual, the worst timing in the world. "Hey we're about to die but it turns out I'm heir to the throne or some junk."

They teed it up last episode.  That scene brought it home.  Jon Snow will not be sitting on the Iron Throne.
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 22, 2019, 12:08:32 AM
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Daenerys is right, the dead are already here.  Looks like the Night King is going to raise the dead in Winterfell’s crypt next week.

I thought she was talking about Jon Snow.
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Post by: Pyramid on April 22, 2019, 12:09:38 AM
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I thought she was talking about Jon Snow.
How is that comment about Jon Snow?


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Post by: Mario Wario on April 22, 2019, 08:23:02 AM
Oh, Arya, where has the time gone? Btw, Arya is 18 now (and Maisie Williams is 22) so I find it silly that the internet is going crazy with her scene, yet don’t do that when incest happens? I guess there is a limit to things. Lol

Also, I think we might be getting a Jon/Dany fight later and the crypt is most likely not safe. I’m sorry, but it looks like the dead will be saying “Hello” soon.

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I had forgotten that a knight could make another knight... that was a key plot point of the Hedge Knight stories!
The knighting scene was so awesome to watch. Absolutely perfect!
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Post by: NCDS on April 22, 2019, 08:43:16 AM
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Oh, Arya, where has the time gone? Btw, Arya is 18 now (and Maisie Williams is 22) so I find it silly that the internet is going crazy with her scene, yet don’t do that when incest happens? I guess there is a limit to things. Lol


This makes sense to me, this isn't about her age in the scene or real life.  This is we all still see her as a child and we just didn't want to see her naked.  This is a good sign for our society that people are upset. 

I can't compare it to the incest, that was easy to know that wasn't real.  However, we were all watching a girl we watched grow up on screen get naked.

I wasn't upset by it but I did note that it was something I could have done without seeing.


 
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 22, 2019, 08:50:32 AM
I am wondering if the crypts have some form of protection on them. After all, Winterfell was built back when people knew about white walkers and other things like that. I am wondering if the dead in the crypts will rise to defend it, rather than being taken over by the Night King.
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Post by: NCDS on April 22, 2019, 08:55:52 AM
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I am wondering if the crypts have some form of protection on them. After all, Winterfell was built back when people knew about white walkers and other things like that. I am wondering if the dead in the crypts will rise to defend it, rather than being taken over by the Night King.

I have been wondering the same, something is going to have to save some of the characters for the final fight before the night king takes the throne.
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 22, 2019, 09:05:41 AM
I'm pretty sure that the Night King will be defeated (or at least in major retreat) next week, because then the final 3 episodes will be devoted to taking down Cersei.

Here's my prediction for the end of the series. You all saw it here, folks!

Jon will die. Pregnant Dany will sit on the Iron Throne (or whatever is left of it, because hey, the thing was forged with dragon fire and might end up being destroyed). But the baby won't be a bastard, because Jon and Dany will have a secret wedding ceremony just before he dies, echoing what Rhaegar and Lyanna did.
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Post by: NCDS on April 22, 2019, 09:11:19 AM
I really don't think he will take the throne either, I just like saying it for fun. 

I do feel either Daneary or Jon on the throne is too predictable though.  So I am hoping the final person on the seat is very unexpected. 


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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 22, 2019, 09:32:39 AM
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So I am hoping the final person on the seat is very unexpected.

The Night King?

Sansa as regent for Baby Dany/Jon?

Ser Davos, because what else has he got going on?

Tyrion, as payback for all of his suffering and as the only surviving Lannister?

Sam, just because I'd love to see the internet freak out about that one?

Grey Worm, because he was elected and cannot have children, so the leader is now democratically chosen?

Tormund, because who better than a Wildling on the throne?

Gendry, because he is Robert's son?

Lots of bizarro choices out there, with such a big cast...
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Post by: NCDS on April 22, 2019, 10:03:39 AM
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The Night King?

Sansa as regent for Baby Dany/Jon?

Ser Davos, because what else has he got going on?

Tyrion, as payback for all of his suffering and as the only surviving Lannister?

Sam, just because I'd love to see the internet freak out about that one?

Grey Worm, because he was elected and cannot have children, so the leader is now democratically chosen?

Tormund, because who better than a Wildling on the throne?

Gendry, because he is Robert's son?

Lots of bizarro choices out there, with such a big cast...

But then it turns out it's that character you never noticed and just thought it was an extra on set.
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Post by: Angel_ on April 22, 2019, 10:26:15 AM
No matter what happens, I'm gonna need Sam, Gilly, and baby Sam to live to the end.  At this point I've prepared for everyone else to die but those three might destroy me.
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 22, 2019, 10:40:40 AM
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But then it turns out it's that character you never noticed and just thought it was an extra on set.

Podrick!
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Post by: TardisMom on April 22, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Now I'm wishing Sam had kept his family's sword to have in the crypt.
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Post by: Mario Wario on April 22, 2019, 11:15:30 AM
I don’t know. I have feeling Winterfell will fall and our remaining heroes will have to retreat to another location. And the way episode 69 was hinting at the crypt, the whole “I will protect them” theme, I do have a bad feeling about that ‘safe’ place. Plus it has multiple entrances/exits; one White Walker (or even the Wight Walkers) will find a way in.

Also, I do know Jon doesn’t think of power but Dany does. Again, looking back at past episodes, when the show hints at something, it usually comes true. It sure feels like the show is presenting the next villain with Dany. But it could be a trick so we shall see.

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This makes sense to me, this isn't about her age in the scene or real life.  This is we all still see her as a child and we just didn't want to see her naked.  This is a good sign for our society that people are upset. 

I can't compare it to the incest, that was easy to know that wasn't real.  However, we were all watching a girl we watched grow up on screen get naked.

I wasn't upset by it but I did note that it was something I could have done without seeing.
Totally understandable! I absolutely get it, but this character as well as the actress is grown up now. Arya is not a kid anymore.  I also understand that we didn’t need to see what we saw, but it could have been worse...way worse. (Do note that the showrunners did let the actress pick on what to do with that scene.)
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Post by: NCDS on April 22, 2019, 11:27:00 AM
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Totally understandable! I absolutely get it, but this character as well as the actress is grown up now. Arya is not a kid anymore.  I also understand that we didn’t need to see what we saw, but it could have been worse...way worse. (Do note that the showrunners did let the actress pick on what to do with that scene.)

Don't threaten me with worse!  I also think this has a lot to do with age (older people tend to still think of 18-  20's as babies) and whether you have had a child.  I think non-breeders and younger viewers will handle the scene better. 

Like I said though I wasn't morally opposed or upset to the scene.  I just get why people had problems watching it, it's definitely not the first time they had something hard to watch. 
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Post by: Angel_ on April 22, 2019, 11:55:57 AM
Not to be too self promotional, but I rambled on for 1400 words about this episode over here (https://thegeekiary.com/8x2-knight-of-the-seven-kingdoms/63699).  A lot of things I want to respond with here I already rambled about for hundreds of words over there so... *shrug*  Anyway I won't make a habit of linking to my reviews haha.
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Post by: Darth_Primus on April 22, 2019, 12:24:40 PM
I've been savoring every minute of the last episodes as these might be the final interactions between these characters.   We finally see some reunions, but as usual, the show has been able to successfully subvert these expectations, such as "Bran, Not Bran" meeting an old friend in Jaime.  Ayra meeting the Hound again.

And the reunion between Jaime and Tyrion reminds the viewers where the characters started and where they are now. 

I don't think the plan to draw out the Night King is sound.  It's seem to basic and simplistic and destined to fail. If Tyrion becomes a White Walker, hopefully he does kill Cersei.
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Post by: Angel_ on April 22, 2019, 12:28:03 PM
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I don't think the plan to draw out the Night King is sound.  It's seem to basic and simplistic and destined to fail. If Tyrion becomes a White Walker, hopefully he does kill Cersei.

Wight, not White Walker.  White Walkers are what Crastor's children are.  It's what the Night King is after the Children of the Forest plunged dragonglass into his chest.  But Wights are the reanimated dead.

That said, I don't see Tyrion becoming a Wight.  But who knows.
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Post by: Darth_Primus on April 22, 2019, 12:39:03 PM
Yeah, who knows.

I was just thinking of "the prophecy of the valonqar" when Tyrion made that comment of being a Wight.   Which also reminds me of how many times Cersei went from a heel to a sympathetic character.   
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Post by: Angel_ on April 22, 2019, 12:41:22 PM
I'm thinking Jaime will kill Cersei in the throne room.  I think he'll be one of the few not to die at Winterfell.  I think both Brienne and Tormund are toast, though.
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Post by: NCDS on April 22, 2019, 12:49:09 PM
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I'm thinking Jaime will kill Cersei in the throne room.  I think he'll be one of the few not to die at Winterfell.  I think both Brienne and Tormund are toast, though.

That is how  I interpret the prophecy also.  So not everyone in the drinking room is about to die, just most of them.
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Post by: handelacruz on April 22, 2019, 12:52:38 PM
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I'm thinking Jaime will kill Cersei in the throne room.  I think he'll be one of the few not to die at Winterfell.  I think both Brienne and Tormund are toast, though.

Yep, I put down Jaime to kill Cersei in my GoT predictions bracket haha.

Brienne had a nice end to her arc so I’m thinking she’s a goner too as well as Grey Worm. You just don’t talk about a nice future before a battle! Death signs everywhere!
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Post by: janray on April 22, 2019, 12:53:57 PM
Arya's scene struck me as the stereotypical "we're going to die tomorrow, let's have sex" formula. Kind of out of character for her. I was glad they didn't make it more revealing, but it did have a sadness to it.
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Post by: jamiesugah on April 22, 2019, 01:23:48 PM
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I don't think the plan to draw out the Night King is sound.  It's seem to basic and simplistic and destined to fail.

If you say your plan out loud, it won't work. This is a heavily used trope. So I agree, I think it's going to fail.

Or Bran has a different plan that he isn't telling people.
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Post by: Angel_ on April 22, 2019, 01:25:02 PM
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If you say your plan out loud, it won't work. This is a heavily used trope. So I agree, I think it's going to fail.

Or Bran has a different plan that he isn't telling people.

He will stare them to death.  His awkward glare will make them so uncomfortable the Army of the Dead will fall where they stand.
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Post by: NCDS on April 22, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
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He will stare them to death.  His awkward glare will make them so uncomfortable the Army of the Dead will fall where they stand.

He's not Bruce Campbell
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 22, 2019, 01:33:58 PM
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He's not Bruce Campbell

Bruce Campbell would slapstick the Night King to death with Ash's dismembered hand.
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Post by: Mario Wario on April 22, 2019, 01:42:31 PM
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Bruce Campbell would slapstick the Night King to death with Ash's dismembered hand.
I would pay mad money just to see Bruce Campbell play as Ash in the GoT universe.   ;D
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Post by: NCDS on April 22, 2019, 02:18:27 PM
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I would pay mad money just to see Bruce Campbell play as Ash in the GoT universe.   ;D

Right, he just pops in through a portal, shows them hows it's done. and then sits on the iron throne.
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Post by: lborgia88 on April 22, 2019, 02:42:23 PM
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If you say your plan out loud, it won't work. This is a heavily used trope. So I agree, I think it's going to fail.

Or Bran has a different plan that he isn't telling people.

I think he might have told Tyrion, or at least imparted some information that Tyrion will be able to use.  We didn't get to hear their "Bran, tell me everything about being the Three-Eyed Raven, while we're stuck in a castle in winter" conversation, and Tyrion seems due for a brilliant strategem (like the wildfire and harbor chain at the battle of Blackwater) after being castigated by Daenerys.
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Post by: Mario Wario on April 22, 2019, 03:15:52 PM
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Right, he just pops in through a portal, shows them hows it's done. and then sits on the iron throne.
Army of Darkness Part II. ;)
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Post by: Angel_ on April 22, 2019, 03:24:30 PM
Someone plz write this crossover fanfic. Plz
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 22, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
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How is that comment about Jon Snow?


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In last week's episode.

Arya: "How did you survive a knife through the heart?"
Jon: "I didn't."

He's dead, rather he's the undead.  How can he be the last male heir to the throne if he's dead?
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Post by: TardisMom on April 22, 2019, 03:38:46 PM
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In last week's episode.

Arya: "How did you survive a knife through the heart?"
Jon: "I didn't."

He's dead, rather he's the undead.  How can he be the last male heir to the throne if he's dead?

Exactly.  That's why I don't think he'll be the "winner". 

Can an undead Targaryen father a child, though, that's my question.
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 22, 2019, 05:25:01 PM
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Someone plz write this crossover fanfic. Plz

Dany: I am the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Ash: Whatever. Get me some beer, will ya?

Tyrion: While I do appreciate your penchant for ale, you can't talk to her that way!

Ash: And who are you? One of the 7 dwarves? Sulky, isn't it?

Jon: My queen deserves respect. I will enforce that myself, if necessary.

Ash: Blow it out your ear, Snow. You already died once, how hard would it be to make it happen again?

Dany: You cannot just walk in here like you own the place!

Ash: Can't I? Tell 'em, Samwise.

Sam: Yes, well... Master Williams has brought us a book...

Tyrion: What kind of book is this? I've never seen something with this kind of... craftsmanship.

Ash: Bound in human skin, inked in human blood.

Tyrion: *lets go of book" All right then.

Sam: In any case, this book reveals many secrets about bringing the dead back to life, including the Night King.

Bran: I have been marked by the Night King.

Ash: You wanna see 'marked by evil'? Check this out! *pulls off hand*

Jamie: That's no big deal, I've got one of those. *pulls off hand*

Ash: Hey, cool! Stump brothers! *high fives Jamie with his wrist stump*

Dany: I've never met anyone as irritating as this man.

Ash: You know you love it. Give me some sugar baby! *bends her over his arm and plants one on her*

Ash: Groovy!


I think I'd better end it there...  >:D
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Post by: Pyramid on April 22, 2019, 07:38:43 PM
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In last week's episode.

Arya: "How did you survive a knife through the heart?"
Jon: "I didn't."

He's dead, rather he's the undead.  How can he be the last male heir to the throne if he's dead?

Ah.  Maybe the Night King’s power will not work on him since he has been risen.


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Post by: Mario Wario on April 22, 2019, 08:07:31 PM
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Dany: I am the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Ash: Whatever. Get me some beer, will ya?

Tyrion: While I do appreciate your penchant for ale, you can't talk to her that way!

Ash: And who are you? One of the 7 dwarves? Sulky, isn't it?

Jon: My queen deserves respect. I will enforce that myself, if necessary.

Ash: Blow it out your ear, Snow. You already died once, how hard would it be to make it happen again?

Dany: You cannot just walk in here like you own the place!

Ash: Can't I? Tell 'em, Samwise.

Sam: Yes, well... Master Williams has brought us a book...

Tyrion: What kind of book is this? I've never seen something with this kind of... craftsmanship.

Ash: Bound in human skin, inked in human blood.

Tyrion: *lets go of book" All right then.

Sam: In any case, this book reveals many secrets about bringing the dead back to life, including the Night King.

Bran: I have been marked by the Night King.

Ash: You wanna see 'marked by evil'? Check this out! *pulls off hand*

Jamie: That's no big deal, I've got one of those. *pulls off hand*

Ash: Hey, cool! Stump brothers! *high fives Jamie with his wrist stump*

Dany: I've never met anyone as irritating as this man.

Ash: You know you love it. Give me some sugar baby! *bends her over his arm and plants one on her*

Ash: Groovy!


I think I'd better end it there...  >:D
Nah, please continue!  ^-^
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 22, 2019, 10:55:46 PM
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Ah.  Maybe the Night King’s power will not work on him since he has been risen.


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I don't think Jon's going to turn.  He will be loyal until the end.  The Night King doesn't have to raise him.  He's already been raised, but dead is dead.  I might be confusing it with something else, but didn't both Jon and the other dead guy both say that things were different after being raised from the dead.  If any dead guy walking around can be an heir to the Iron Throne, there are probably other dead guys with a better claim coming down from the North.

I don't think that the Night King will raise anyone in the crypt.  There's no need.  I'm sure there will be plenty of candidates on the battlefield.  They also went on and on about how safe the crypt is.  It's where all the people that can't fight will be safe.  If the fight gets to the crypt then it's already game over.  I guess it could be misdirection talking about how safe the crypt is over and over again.
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Post by: NCDS on April 23, 2019, 08:46:14 AM
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Dany: I am the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

Ash: Whatever. Get me some beer, will ya?

Tyrion: While I do appreciate your penchant for ale, you can't talk to her that way!

Ash: And who are you? One of the 7 dwarves? Sulky, isn't it?

Jon: My queen deserves respect. I will enforce that myself, if necessary.

Ash: Blow it out your ear, Snow. You already died once, how hard would it be to make it happen again?

Dany: You cannot just walk in here like you own the place!

Ash: Can't I? Tell 'em, Samwise.

Sam: Yes, well... Master Williams has brought us a book...

Tyrion: What kind of book is this? I've never seen something with this kind of... craftsmanship.

Ash: Bound in human skin, inked in human blood.

Tyrion: *lets go of book" All right then.

Sam: In any case, this book reveals many secrets about bringing the dead back to life, including the Night King.

Bran: I have been marked by the Night King.

Ash: You wanna see 'marked by evil'? Check this out! *pulls off hand*

Jamie: That's no big deal, I've got one of those. *pulls off hand*

Ash: Hey, cool! Stump brothers! *high fives Jamie with his wrist stump*

Dany: I've never met anyone as irritating as this man.

Ash: You know you love it. Give me some sugar baby! *bends her over his arm and plants one on her*

Ash: Groovy!


I think I'd better end it there...  >:D

Clearly, after this, she will try to feed him to the dragons, which he will clumsily escape from while saving Daneary from a wight at the same time.
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 23, 2019, 12:31:13 PM
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Clearly, after this, she will try to feed him to the dragons, which he will clumsily escape from while saving Daneary from a wight at the same time.

Impressing them all with his chainsaw right before he drenches them all in white walker blood....
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Post by: NCDS on April 23, 2019, 05:26:39 PM
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Impressing them all with his chainsaw right before he drenches them all in white walker blood....


And that is how the Night King falls.

Does anyone have any questions?
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Post by: Pyramid on April 24, 2019, 07:08:24 AM
I can totally see Bruce making a chainsaw of dragon glass. 


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on April 24, 2019, 09:00:36 AM
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I can totally see Bruce making a chainsaw of dragon glass. 

Naw. Valyrian steel.
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Post by: NCDS on April 24, 2019, 09:33:37 AM
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Naw. Valyrian steel.

Agreed and dragon glass bullets for the Wights!
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Post by: TravT77 on April 24, 2019, 09:48:54 AM
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Agreed and dragon glass bullets for the Wights!
Dragon Glass shells in a sawed off shotgun! Yeah baby!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190424/e4317bc6e522d7f497985b1634b57763.jpg)
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 24, 2019, 11:25:38 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Darth_Primus on April 26, 2019, 12:02:33 PM
The crossover I want to see is King Ghidorah appear at the battle of Winterfell, probably as the deus ex machina.

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/aa9ce9339cdd6d4394ba47fca2e868aa/tenor.gif?itemid=12209322)


I mean, the sigil for House Targaryen is a three headed dragon.

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/123665848206_/HOUSE-TARGARYEN-SIGIL-Vinyl-Decal-Sticker-GoT.jpg)


Daenerys Targaryen, Mother of Ghidorah.
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Post by: jazzyj on April 28, 2019, 09:12:15 AM
Alright, today's the day folks. We survived the Endgame Battle and now we're onto the Battle of Winterfell. My predictions for tonight's episode:

I feel like they wouldn't kill off any of the main characters considering that we still have 3 episodes left and I'm banking that episode 5 is going to be the one where all hell breaks loose.What's everyone's predictions?
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Post by: Pyramid on April 28, 2019, 10:12:37 AM
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Alright, today's the day folks. We survived the Endgame Battle and now we're onto the Battle of Winterfell. My predictions for tonight's episode:
  • The living lose Winterfell and have to retreat (probably Dragonstone or the Iron Islands)
  • The deaths this episode will revolve around the side characters and not the main ones. That being said, my death predictions for this episode are Beric, Edd, Jorah, Theon, and Pod.

I feel like they wouldn't kill off any of the main characters considering that we still have 3 episodes left and I'm banking that episode 5 is going to be the one where all hell breaks loose.What's everyone's predictions?

I agree.  :).

Going to go out on a limb here and get really specific.  I fully expect to fall on my face here but predicting what will happen is fun so what the hell.  :). The White Wallers will not charge but rather stand waiting for the dead to be risen in the crypt.  The first to die in the crypt will be the little girl who reminded Davos of Sharene.  Once the dead have risen happens they will attack.  Viserion will take the Night King I to see Bran (I still don’t know how some are wondering how he will get into Winterfell).  The Unsullied will become White Walkers forcing everyone to retreat.  Sean Bean will die once again.  Oh and sadly Bruce doesn’t show up to save the day with his broomstick.


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Post by: Mario Wario on April 28, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
Still hiding spoilers regardless of the thread’s title. Playing it safe for all.

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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 28, 2019, 07:41:11 PM
I agree, it was way too dark, and difficult to tell who was fighting. I'm not even sure who survived, since it looked like a lot of people were 'going down', but you never saw them die.

I'll post this in spoiler tags since the episode hasn't yet aired in all of the US.

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Post by: debster on April 28, 2019, 08:12:31 PM
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Post by: rabbitwarren on April 28, 2019, 08:42:29 PM
I remember being at the GoT panel in 2011 when GRRM said he wanted a LOTR type ending and it seems this is heading in that direction

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Post by: jazzyj on April 28, 2019, 09:04:07 PM
I literally could not breathe during that whole entire episode. I'm just happy Brienne and Jaime are alive but I'm incredibly sad over House Mormont. Jorah and Lyanna put up a great fight (still shook over that giant wight scene) but man, what a way to go out.

I'm having mixed feelings about the end of the NK threat. They just made it seem like he was the ultimate baddie but in the end it's going to be a face off with Cersei? Idk, I feel like it could've gone longer. Also what the hell was Bran doing when he was warging? Like what was the point of the ravens?
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Post by: Pyramid on April 28, 2019, 10:14:02 PM
Wow, that was intense.  Like previous posts I also thought it was way too dark.  The music really amped up the tension! 


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Post by: alyssa on April 28, 2019, 11:16:58 PM
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the cat & mouse game with jon & the white walker dragon kept my interest through the 3/4 mark.
did his dragon fall? but i've got a beardie who has learned how to escape his tank - so i play hide and seek with a lizard almost everyday- just not with fire mixed in ;)

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I'm just happy Brienne and Jaime are alive but
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 29, 2019, 12:08:22 AM
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the cat & mouse game with jon & the white walker dragon kept my interest through the 3/4 mark.
did his dragon fall? but i've got a beardie who has learned how to escape his tank - so i play hide and seek with a lizard almost everyday- just not with fire mixed in ;)
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Spoilers if you haven't seen the last quarter yet.

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Post by: chocolateshake on April 29, 2019, 12:13:19 AM
Did anyone else notice that they killed off a character that's been in it since S1E1 without a bit of fanfare?  Well at least I think he's dead.  They showed him rushing off into battle at the start never to be seen again unless I missed it.  Would it have killed them to have a 2 second shot for a proper sendoff?
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 29, 2019, 04:34:24 AM
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Thanks, I added them! Also Gendry, whose fate is unknown.

[member=1]alyssa[/member] why do you think they are alive? Were they in a shot that I missed? Also, they weren't the only knights of the 7 kingdoms there. The knights present (that I know of... I am sure that there were more) were (no spoiler tags  since I think everyone has seen it now and we do have spoilers in the thread title):

Ser Jamie
Ser Brienne
Ser Davos
Ser Beric
Ser Sandor (the Hound)
Ser Jorah

Anyone remember others?

Also, I am awake and posting in the middle of the night because I woke up and one thought wouldn’t let me go. Does this mean that Arya was Azor Ahai? She didn’t even have a flaming sword! I am so confused!

Updated list:

Dead:
Edd
Melissandre
Beric Dondarrion (presumably?)
Lyanna Mormont
Viserion (again)
Night King and his lieutenants
Theon Greyjoy
Jorah

Uncertain fates:
Brienne
Podrick
Jamie
Gilly and Young Sam
Sam (although I think it likely he lived)
Grey Worm
Gendry
Rhaegal
Ghost

Alive:
Sansa
Arya
Tyrion
Dany
Varys
Tormund
The Hound
Davos
Bran
Jon
Missandei
Drogal
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Post by: NCDS on April 29, 2019, 06:48:05 AM
In the trailer
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Post by: alyssa on April 29, 2019, 06:49:58 AM
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Thanks, I added them! Also Gendry, whose fate is unknown.

[member=1]alyssa[/member] why do you think they are alive? Were they in a shot that I missed? Also, they weren't the only knights of the 7 kingdoms there. The knights present (that I know of... I am sure that there were more) were (no spoiler tags  since I think everyone has seen it now and we do have spoilers in the thread title):

Ser Jamie
Ser Brienne
Ser Davos
Ser Beric
Ser Sandor (the Hound)
Ser Jorah

Anyone remember others?


I thought i saw a shot of both Jamie & Brienne being overcome by the dead.  But...
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,,, I'm just happy Brienne and Jaime are alive but .....

i need to watch it again obviously LOL
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Post by: jazzyj on April 29, 2019, 06:55:36 AM
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Yeah when Arya kills the Night King and all the undead fall to the ground, there's a shot of Brienne, Jaime, and Pod standing with their backs against the wall seeing the wights fall.

Fortunately we adjusted the brightness of our TV screen so we can see the action unfold live but when I tried to rewatch it again on my laptop, I didn't realize how dark the shots were so I can totally see why people thought certain characters died.
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Post by: Pyramid on April 29, 2019, 06:57:54 AM
Sadly, I think Gilly and Little Sam died in the crypt.  This will further galvanize Sam to take on Euron and Cersei.


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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 29, 2019, 07:17:59 AM
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Yeah when Arya kills the Night King and all the undead fall to the ground, there's a shot of Brienne, Jaime, and Pod standing with their backs against the wall seeing the wights fall.

Good to know! I am glad that they survived!

Also, many people fell, but weren't dead when they fell. Theon took awhile to die, Jorah and Beric each took a 'fatal blow' a few times. We never actually *saw* Beric die, but it was presumed that he did?

I was wondering about Gilly and Little Sam. I didn't see them at the end of the crypts.
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Post by: jamiesugah on April 29, 2019, 08:22:25 AM
The list of the dead is accurate. Everyone listed under uncertain was shown alive at the end of the episode (or is shown in the trailer for next week's). Including Ghost.
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Post by: mark on April 29, 2019, 08:26:50 AM
Sad to see Lyanna go but what a way to go
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 29, 2019, 08:29:51 AM
I had a feeling Lyanna would go when she was insisting to Jorah that she fight with house Mormont. But when she stood up after the giant trampled her, I knew that she was going to kill it with her axe. And then when she woke up as a wight... Lyanna was badass, both in life and death.
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Post by: semigeekgirl on April 29, 2019, 08:31:18 AM
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Sadly, I think Gilly and Little Sam died in the crypt.  This will further galvanize Sam to take on Euron and Cersei.


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I need to watch it again but my husband and I were both 90% certain we saw Gilly alive in the last shot in the crypt after the dead all decomposed. I'm pretty sure she and little Sam are fine.
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 29, 2019, 08:32:41 AM
Good to know that the 'uncertain fate' people are alive! What about Rhaegal? I never saw him after he went down in the fight with Viserion.

Would Dany forgive Jon if he 'got her dragon killed'?
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Post by: NCDS on April 29, 2019, 08:37:13 AM
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Good to know that the 'uncertain fate' people are alive! What about Rhaegal? I never saw him after he went down in the fight with Viserion.

Would Dany forgive Jon if he 'got her dragon killed'?

I mean she can be naive but I don't think after that battle she will be petty about the dragon.  Now his birthright she will be.
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Post by: jamiesugah on April 29, 2019, 08:42:42 AM
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Good to know that the 'uncertain fate' people are alive! What about Rhaegal? I never saw him after he went down in the fight with Viserion.

Would Dany forgive Jon if he 'got her dragon killed'?

Rhaegal survived! There are two dragons flying in the promo for next week. I'll admit I was very surprised about him and Ghost, and I'm kind of annoyed that it wasn't obvious in the episode that they survived.

Also their battle tactics were garbage.
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Post by: Mario Wario on April 29, 2019, 09:19:17 AM
Rewatched the episode last night in HD, using my OLED TV. Verdict? I was able to see things better, and appreciate the battle more, but some scenes were still too dark. (Gotta watch this episode as if you are watching a movie; turn off the lights.) I also blame the digital video compression so the Blu-ray release should look better.

As for the episode itself, I thought it was good but the use of the dragons totally bugged me.

Seven seasons of hyping up the Knight King, and his army as this unstoppable force, did not meet my expectations. I wanted Yuuzhan Vong War, but got the lighter/harder to see version of World War Z meets Helm's Deep. Everything was done in one episode...

So, most of our main heroes are still alive even when things were dire. Don’t get me wrong, I am happy that most are alive but most of them should be dead. (Ghost is probably alive.)

And Bran the Bait did nothing helpful...I truly believe Theon’s death could have been prevented if Bran told him to wait. He was no threat to the Knight King and Ayra could have still done her thing against the Knight King, in my opinion.

I did love the episode’s musical score, the battle was intense, and the Arya ending was spectacular to watch! Onward to episode 4 which will most likely be a setup episode.
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Post by: mark on April 29, 2019, 09:22:20 AM
We need to watch it again without our dog. He slept through the whole thing and every time there was a quiet moment he would let out a big snore, kind of killed the tension,
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 29, 2019, 09:33:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/cAPrm0t.jpg)
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Post by: NCDS on April 29, 2019, 09:35:56 AM
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I agree.  :).

Going to go out on a limb here and get really specific.  I fully expect to fall on my face here but predicting what will happen is fun so what the hell.  :). The White Wallers will not charge but rather stand waiting for the dead to be risen in the crypt.  The first to die in the crypt will be the little girl who reminded Davos of Sharene.  Once the dead have risen happens they will attack.  Viserion will take the Night King I to see Bran (I still don’t know how some are wondering how he will get into Winterfell).  The Unsullied will become White Walkers forcing everyone to retreat.  Sean Bean will die once again.  Oh and sadly Bruce doesn’t show up to save the day with his broomstick.


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Broomstick?  We need to have a talk!
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 29, 2019, 09:42:53 AM
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Broomstick?  We need to have a talk!

My guess is that AutoIncorrect struck again...
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Post by: Mario Wario on April 29, 2019, 09:44:05 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/cAPrm0t.jpg)
To be fair, it was a last-minute add. ;)
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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 29, 2019, 09:45:51 AM
I loved this reaction video as well.

https://twitter.com/yogeshbhatm/status/1122798250380017664
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Post by: NCDS on April 29, 2019, 09:48:58 AM
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I loved this reaction video as well.

https://twitter.com/yogeshbhatm/status/1122798250380017664

That was me in my living room!  I love how it came down to Arya and was very happy with the episode.
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Post by: justboogie on April 29, 2019, 09:53:10 AM
Great episode! GoT always does a great job in switching character perspectives. I nearly forgot where Arya went after meeting up with Clegane and Melisandre.
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Post by: Pyramid on April 29, 2019, 05:14:16 PM
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Broomstick?  We need to have a talk!
Ha! There’s no way I would have actually typed broomstick.  I have that movie memorized!  Like TJ said, autocorrect.


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Post by: alyssa on April 29, 2019, 07:10:23 PM
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Great episode! GoT always does a great job in switching character perspectives. I nearly forgot where Arya went after meeting up with Clegane and Melisandre.
I know it's easy to say after the fact but i did wonder where she'd pop up during the white dragon & Jon cat&mouse game
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Post by: Chris on April 29, 2019, 07:48:32 PM
LOVED the fact that it was Arya who dispatched with the Night King.  I was screaming at the TV.  :)
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Post by: NCDS on April 29, 2019, 07:49:41 PM
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Ha! There’s no way I would have actually typed broomstick.  I have that movie memorized!  Like TJ said, autocorrect.


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I guess we will give you a pass, this time  :P
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Post by: debster on April 30, 2019, 03:33:08 AM
I really wanted Sean Bean to come back as Zombie Ned Stark and rise up to start killing people in the crypts... Maybe holding his own head? :)
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Post by: NCDS on April 30, 2019, 06:28:31 AM
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I really wanted Sean Bean to come back as Zombie Ned Stark and rise up to start killing people in the crypts... Maybe holding his own head? :)

While I love this idea, wasn't only the head returned?
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Post by: Pyramid on April 30, 2019, 06:29:50 AM
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I really wanted Sean Bean to come back as Zombie Ned Stark and rise up to start killing people in the crypts... Maybe holding his own head? :)
Ha!  I said the same thing!  I was rooting for a Nearly Headless Ned!


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Post by: Transmute Jun on April 30, 2019, 06:43:10 AM
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While I love this idea, wasn't only the head returned?

I recall that Ned's remains were sent back to Winterfell as a 'peace offering' when they 'couldn't' send back Arya and Sansa.
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Post by: Darth_Primus on April 30, 2019, 11:20:20 AM
Kind of felt like the NK ending was like how Snoke was dealt with in The Last Jedi; not complaining but just thought there would be more to it.

Anyway, on to King's Landing.
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Post by: Angel_ on April 30, 2019, 11:36:46 AM
I've been laughing at this meme I found on Reddit for the past hour.  Figured I'd share for fellow P&R people lmao

(https://thegeekiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/BB4350AC-C4FB-48AA-858A-BF2F791C574F.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris on April 30, 2019, 01:01:58 PM
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I really wanted Sean Bean to come back as Zombie Ned Stark and rise up to start killing people in the crypts... Maybe holding his own head? :)

I was totally expecting that to happen exactly like that with him holding his own head.
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Post by: AzT on April 30, 2019, 01:44:15 PM
From https://www.wired.co.uk/article/game-of-thrones-too-dark-to-see

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Such was the depth of gloom, in fact, that some viewers are up in arms about the darkness of the episode, with many saying they struggled to see anything at all. But Fabian Wagner, the cinematographer behind the episode, claims the problem lies not with the production team but with viewers’ own television setups. “A lot of the problem is that a lot of people don’t know how to tune their TVs properly,” he says. “A lot of people also unfortunately watch it on small iPads, which in no way can do justice to a show like that anyway.”
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Post by: jamiesugah on April 30, 2019, 01:54:58 PM
I'm terribly sorry, Fabian, that I'm too poor to afford a decent television so I can watch your poorly lit episode of a television show.
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Post by: Angel_ on April 30, 2019, 02:10:05 PM
That is so darn tone deaf.  Not everyone can afford a fancy TV susan fabian. 

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From https://www.wired.co.uk/article/game-of-thrones-too-dark-to-see
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Post by: Jim Watari on April 30, 2019, 07:21:17 PM
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Post by: Chris on April 30, 2019, 08:13:10 PM
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5ZH63-W0AAyL2t.jpg)

Yup.  Funny in this thread too.  :)

Pretty much exactly how I personally feel about the entertainment over the weekend.
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Post by: Angel_ on May 01, 2019, 11:53:56 AM
I LOLED

(https://thegeekiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/B3FC0CCF-A716-41E8-9916-60B81F0662DC.jpeg)
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Post by: Chris on May 01, 2019, 10:14:57 PM
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I LOLED

(https://thegeekiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/B3FC0CCF-A716-41E8-9916-60B81F0662DC.jpeg)

HBO should have charged by the used pixels. The cost would have been at 25%.  :)
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 03, 2019, 10:44:09 AM
I watched a youtube video last night that presented the idea that Bran is the mastermind of the Night King's downfall.  Contrary to people thinking he's useless other than Bait, he's the power behind the scenes pulling the strings and the people he's manipulating don't even know it.
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Post by: Pyramid on May 03, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
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I watched a youtube video last night that presented the idea that Bran is the mastermind of the Night King's downfall.  Contrary to people thinking he's useless other than Bait, he's the power behind the scenes pulling the strings and the people he's manipulating don't even know it.
Yeah, there are so many clues including giving the dagger to Arya in the exact spot where she killed the Night King.  My question, and I hope they answer this next episode, is where did Bran go when he wargged in the last episode.


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Post by: TardisMom on May 03, 2019, 10:48:48 AM
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Yeah, there are so many clues including giving the dagger to Arya in the exact spot where she killed the Night King.  My question, and I hope they answer this next episode, is where did Bran go when he wargged in the last episode.


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That's what I want to know, too. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: tsnyder on May 03, 2019, 12:28:56 PM
So what is actually left of the kingdom to rule? Seems like most castles have been abandoned. Almost every Male of fighting age is dead, the entire population has been decimated. Lannister army, dorne army, Tyrells, both baratheon armies, wildlings, northern army, knights watch, riverlands army, freys, all gone.

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Post by: Angel_ on May 03, 2019, 12:32:50 PM
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So what is actually left of the kingdom to rule? Seems like most castles have been abandoned. Almost every Male of fighting age is dead, the entire population has been decimated. Lannister army, dorne army, Tyrells, both baratheon armies, wildlings, northern army, knights watch, riverlands army, freys, all gone.

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Queen of the ashes...

But yeah no that's a good question.  And honestly I'm on Team Nobody Wins The Throne.  My ideal ending was the AotD mowing over Winterfell, then infecting King's Landing, and the only option being destroying the Red Keep with dragon fire/wildfire and smelting the throne.  Then maybe anyone left migrating to Essos as refugees.

But, well, that first part didn't happen.  The second part COULD still happen but it wouldn't be due to the AotD.  So my Team Nobody prediction is circling the drain it seems.  To my complete and utter surprise, the real ending might be happier than my dream ending.   ???
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 03, 2019, 08:24:12 PM
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My question, and I hope they answer this next episode, is where did Bran go when he wargged in the last episode.

He didn't go anywhere.  They showed what he did in the episode.  He went up to taunt the Night King.  The battle was stalled when they lit the trench.  The dead were just standing there.  Bran has a schedule to keep.  So he went up and buzzed the Night King, the Night King did the hand wave thing and the dead breached the trench.  Back on schedule.

People have posted why didn't he say something and save Theon.  I think he did the opposite.  Theon had to die to lull the NK and his entourage into complacency.  Theon was done.  He was scared.  He was frozen.  Bran told him he was a good man and thanked him.  That pep talk spurred Theon into action and he sacrificed himself.  With the NK mollified and guard lowered.  Ayra was able to sweep in at the last moment and kill him.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 03, 2019, 08:33:40 PM
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He didn't go anywhere.  They showed what he did in the episode.  He went up to taunt the Night King.  The battle was stalled when they lit the trench.  The dead were just standing there.  Bran has a schedule to keep.  So he went up and buzzed the Night King, the Night King did the hand wave thing and the dead breached the trench.  Back on schedule.

People have posted why didn't he say something and save Theon.  I think he did the opposite.  Theon had to die to lull the NK and his entourage into complacency.  Theon was done.  He was scared.  He was frozen.  Bran told him he was a good man and thanked him.  That pep talk spurred Theon into action and he sacrificed himself.  With the NK mollified and guard lowered.  Ayra was able to sweep in at the last moment and kill him.
When the NK reached out his hand I thought there would be more especially since we have already seen Bran warg into the past.  Either the simplicity of what Bran was doing was lost on me or I was expecting a big reveal instead of just a stall tactic.


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TravT77 on May 04, 2019, 09:30:54 AM
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To my complete and utter surprise, the real ending might be happier than my dream ending.   ???
I still believe we will see a major kill-off of main characters before the end. Not sure how, but just can’t see them finishing without a few more “oh no, not them!” moments. Oddly, I would almost be ok with Varys being the one who takes over. He may have allowed/accepted a few things most would consider abominable, but I like his “For the Realm” mentality. I think he is sincere in his wish for the betterment of the kingdom.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TravT77 on May 04, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
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That's what I want to know, too.
I’ve heard some speculation that he was simply acting as bait. The Night King could obviously tell when the ravens swarmed him that they were controlled by Bran. I think that opened the “link” between them to allow him to zero in on Bran. But I really wish there had been some sort of exchange between them. Had the Night King spoken only a few words, I would have been much more satisfied with the final scene.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 05, 2019, 08:26:30 PM
It’s about to be a mad, mad world for Dany.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: jamiesugah on May 05, 2019, 08:54:53 PM
GIVE GHOST HEAD PATS, HE FOUGHT THE ARMY OF THE DEAD FOR YOU.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 05, 2019, 10:11:01 PM
Um ... yeah.  Just one question, what are the writers thinking?!


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: vegasndn on May 05, 2019, 10:18:15 PM
So who’s gonna kill Cersei? I’m sure a couple of books in town and offshore taking action on this. Maybe Jaime? That’s my bet.


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 05, 2019, 10:19:09 PM
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So who’s gonna kill Cersei? I’m sure a couple of books in town and offshore taking action on this. Maybe Jaime? That’s my bet.


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My money was on Arya but who can tell now.


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Chris on May 05, 2019, 11:39:24 PM
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GIVE GHOST HEAD PATS, HE FOUGHT THE ARMY OF THE DEAD FOR YOU.

Agree.  I would want my dire wolf with me for thevupcimung battle.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 06, 2019, 12:33:06 AM
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My money was on Arya but who can tell now.


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I doubt it will be Arya.  She already killed the NK.  I doubt they want to make her some super hero.

My guess is that it will be someone unexpected.
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 06, 2019, 12:37:39 AM
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Post by: FBS on May 06, 2019, 01:21:45 AM
I thought this week's episode was the best of recent years.
So interesting to see the aftermath of the battle. Then the second half of the episode kicks into some brilliant oneupmanship and excellent dialogue.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Emerald_Mom on May 06, 2019, 06:00:02 AM
I'm probably in the minority here.... but, I think the episodes so far seem rushed and not properly "filled" out.  The one bright spot was Arya taking out the NK.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 06, 2019, 06:19:46 AM
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I'm probably in the minority here.... but, I think the episodes so far seem rushed and not properly "filled" out.  The one bright spot was Arya taking out the NK.
I am right there with you.  Once the newness factor wears off and I get my GoT fix the writing starts to lose its luster.  Fortunately, there are a couple of moments here and there shine through.


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: jazzyj on May 06, 2019, 06:50:52 AM
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I'm probably in the minority here.... but, I think the episodes so far seem rushed and not properly "filled" out.  The one bright spot was Arya taking out the NK.

You're not the only one. Due to the 6 ep. timeframe, I feel like the show sacrificed a lot of character development for the sake of plot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 06, 2019, 07:15:39 AM
I believe that Arya left Winterfell to go to King's Landing to kill Cercei . Whether or not she actually does is another story. But she could easily sneak in there with one of her faces. I'm betting that she even has Littlefinger's face in her bag (since she's the one who killed him). I felt badly that she turned down Gendry's proposal, but it makes sense that she did. It isn't the role she wants in life. Gendry needed to tell her that he accepts her the way she is and wants her to be his partner. That's something she might have been able to accept.

Armor for Drogon seems the right way to go. Dany is mad enough to make mistakes, which is what Cercei is counting on. This only increases the gulf between Jon and Dany in Varys' mind. It's interesting that he switched sides so quickly and completely, but it makes sense. Honestly though, I think Jon or Dany will die, making the choice moot (whatever it may be).

Yay on Gilly being pregnant!

WTF is wrong with Jamie? I don't get why he ran off. Is he really so weak that he's going back to Cercei because she seems to be on the winning side at the moment? Something stinks about this whole thing. But my heart breaks for Brienne. And poor Tormund too... *sniff*
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 06, 2019, 07:21:37 AM
Hmmmm, I didn’t know Starbucks coffee existed in this universe.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: jamiesugah on May 06, 2019, 07:22:17 AM
I seriously question many of the writing decisions they've made this season. I've been questioning the writing decisions for a while now but the reduced timeframe makes them stand out more.

"A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I am going home." Then she just peaces out without saying goodbye to her siblings. Okay.

Daenerys does realize that she just legitimized the heir to the throne, yes? I mean, technically Gendry has a better claim than either her or Jon. (Also, my Gendrya heart refuses to believe that he thought that promising to make Arya Lady of Storm's End was a good idea. He knows her better than that.)

Speaking of, thanks for cutting away without showing us how Arya and Sansa would react to the news of Jon's parentage.

Let's have two dragons but not do any recon. Okay. And sure, no one notices a fleet of ships. Okay. And Euron scores three direct hits on a moving target with a weapon he probably has little practice from around the corner. Okay. In the after the Thrones thing, they claim that Daenerys forgot about the Greyjoy fleet. FORGOT. ABOUT THE FLEET. THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR WAR COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY.

They want everything to be BIG and SHOCKING and I just want stuff to actually make sense.
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Post by: Emerald_Mom on May 06, 2019, 07:33:10 AM
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I seriously question many of the writing decisions they've made this season. I've been questioning the writing decisions for a while now but the reduced timeframe makes them stand out more.

"A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I am going home." Then she just peaces out without saying goodbye to her siblings. Okay.

Daenerys does realize that she just legitimized the heir to the throne, yes? I mean, technically Gendry has a better claim than either her or Jon. (Also, my Gendrya heart refuses to believe that he thought that promising to make Arya Lady of Storm's End was a good idea. He knows her better than that.)

Speaking of, thanks for cutting away without showing us how Arya and Sansa would react to the news of Jon's parentage.

Let's have two dragons but not do any recon. Okay. And sure, no one notices a fleet of ships. Okay. And Euron scores three direct hits on a moving target with a weapon he probably has little practice from around the corner. Okay. In the after the Thrones thing, they claim that Daenerys forgot about the Greyjoy fleet. FORGOT. ABOUT THE FLEET. THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR WAR COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY.

They want everything to be BIG and SHOCKING and I just want stuff to actually make sense.
This is what I'm talking about.... it is like let's have these shocking moments, but no story that makes sense behind it....... >:(
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Post by: rushfanyyz on May 06, 2019, 07:54:17 AM
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I seriously question many of the writing decisions they've made this season. I've been questioning the writing decisions for a while now but the reduced timeframe makes them stand out more.

"A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I am going home." Then she just peaces out without saying goodbye to her siblings. Okay.

Daenerys does realize that she just legitimized the heir to the throne, yes? I mean, technically Gendry has a better claim than either her or Jon. (Also, my Gendrya heart refuses to believe that he thought that promising to make Arya Lady of Storm's End was a good idea. He knows her better than that.)

Speaking of, thanks for cutting away without showing us how Arya and Sansa would react to the news of Jon's parentage.

Let's have two dragons but not do any recon. Okay. And sure, no one notices a fleet of ships. Okay. And Euron scores three direct hits on a moving target with a weapon he probably has little practice from around the corner. Okay. In the after the Thrones thing, they claim that Daenerys forgot about the Greyjoy fleet. FORGOT. ABOUT THE FLEET. THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR WAR COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY.

They want everything to be BIG and SHOCKING and I just want stuff to actually make sense.

I had silly hope the writers would be better this season, that was dumb of me.  Dany was on her dragon, she should have seen the fleet from up there. Yes, they were "hiding", but it wasn't that big of a rock to hide behind plus she was way up in the air.  If Jaime is heading to King's Landing to try and save Cersei or fight with her then his whole entire character arc was for nothing.  I'm hoping that maybe he mislead Brienne so she wouldn't follow him as he goes to actually take down Cersei-I could at least understand this even though it makes me sad for them. 

I also agree that Gendry should have told Arya that she can continue on being Arya and killing people and fighting and stuff and not have to be the traditional lady but still be with him.  I could see her going for that after she deals with Cersei or whatever her immediate mission is (and lets be real, he would totally wait for her).

Also-pet the dog!!!!!!! ugh.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 06, 2019, 08:28:27 AM
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I seriously question many of the writing decisions they've made this season. I've been questioning the writing decisions for a while now but the reduced timeframe makes them stand out more.

"A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell, and I am going home." Then she just peaces out without saying goodbye to her siblings. Okay.

Daenerys does realize that she just legitimized the heir to the throne, yes? I mean, technically Gendry has a better claim than either her or Jon. (Also, my Gendrya heart refuses to believe that he thought that promising to make Arya Lady of Storm's End was a good idea. He knows her better than that.)

Speaking of, thanks for cutting away without showing us how Arya and Sansa would react to the news of Jon's parentage.

Let's have two dragons but not do any recon. Okay. And sure, no one notices a fleet of ships. Okay. And Euron scores three direct hits on a moving target with a weapon he probably has little practice from around the corner. Okay. In the after the Thrones thing, they claim that Daenerys forgot about the Greyjoy fleet. FORGOT. ABOUT THE FLEET. THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THEIR WAR COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY.

They want everything to be BIG and SHOCKING and I just want stuff to actually make sense.

100% this.

I would also add Jon giving away Ghost to Tormund instead of Sansa - not even a five second goodbye?! And was Lady Mormont on a funeral pyre?  She should already be ashes since the NK raised her.

The mischaracterization and plot inconsistencies are sadly growing.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: semigeekgirl on May 06, 2019, 09:04:26 AM
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Daenerys does realize that she just legitimized the heir to the throne, yes? I mean, technically Gendry has a better claim than either her or Jon.


Not exactly... Robert Baratheon was 'legitimately' king because his mother was a Targaryen and all the actual Targaryens were dead or fled. Or at least that was the political reason at the time. Jon and Dany both have better claims than Gendry bc they would have inherited before Robert.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: tsnyder on May 06, 2019, 10:11:31 AM
Don't get me wrong, I have LOVED the season so far.  I understand the choices they are making for cinematic purposes as well but man they are making Dany's forces look like the worst military in the history of the world.  Lets just say they were outsmarted last season losing the dorne army and highgarden which could happen.  While episode 3 is one of my favorites of all time that military alignment and strategy was horrible.  Looked amazing but didn't make logical sense.  Then last night I will just say because of overconfidence her dragon was killed.  I don't think any type of armor is needed (probably slow the dragon way down).  She simply could have flown up over their range and either came at them from above (those weapons can't point straight up) or from behind (ships couldn't have turned in time plus were all bunched together).  I think the writers are making a point to have them keep making mistakes to hammer home her feelings that if she would have just flown to the red keep as soon as she arrived and burnt it to the ground like she wanted to this would have been all over. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 06, 2019, 11:08:52 AM
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WTF is wrong with Jamie? I don't get why he ran off. Is he really so weak that he's going back to Cercei because she seems to be on the winning side at the moment? Something stinks about this whole thing. But my heart breaks for Brienne. And poor Tormund too... *sniff*

He is running to Cercei because she's winning.  Not to go back to her, but to make sure she loses.  He was happy to say in the North when he thought she would lose.  Now with the setback he's going down to make sure she does lose.
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 06, 2019, 11:13:18 AM
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And was Lady Mormont on a funeral pyre?  She should already be ashes since the NK raised her.

She was but she wouldn't be in ashes already.  The amount of decay the dead have plays into whether they fall apart or just fall down.  They showed this in last week's episode.  The giant, who I presume has been long dead, fell apart.  But the soldiers freshly risen just fell down.
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 06, 2019, 11:16:57 AM
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I'm probably in the minority here.... but, I think the episodes so far seem rushed and not properly "filled" out.  The one bright spot was Arya taking out the NK.

They are definitely rushed compared to the other seasons which plodded along at a much slower pace.  Some of the previous seasons' episodes I would ask myself what happened?  The answer was nothing.  It does feel kind of rushed but I'm OK with that.  They are trying to wrap it all up.  I'm anxious for it to end.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 06, 2019, 11:18:15 AM
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He is running to Cercei because she's winning.  Not to go back to her, but to make sure she loses.  He was happy to say in the North when he thought she would lose.  Now with the setback he's going down to make sure she does lose.

Fair enough, but then why wouldn't he say anything to Brienne? Why would he sneak out in the middle of the night?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: accelerate on May 06, 2019, 11:26:17 AM
I just read about the Starbucks snafu from Vox, and I had not realized how much hate there has been for this season. I've avoided the thread here on FoCC until just now, and after reading the comments here, I've come to realize I am definitely in the minority who thinks this season has been good. At least much better than Season 7. To me, this past episode had more tension than the big battle last episode, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. I loved the Tyrion / Varys scenes, as well as every scene with the Hound. And I really did like how Jaime has reminded the audience he is not a good person. Well, he is not a good person who wants to do good things, but in the end, he will do the bad things willingly.

I will agree to some of the... lack of tactical decision making on the part of Dany. Her losses are all on her. But I see it as just plain arrogance and lack of any military training on her part. At least, that's what I tell myself.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: semigeekgirl on May 06, 2019, 11:35:23 AM
I try to be quiet about my hate around here because I don't want to spoil anyone else's enjoyment. But for the record I do not think this season is good and many things about it are making me actively angry.

I have enjoyed individual moments in each episode, though.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 06, 2019, 11:52:02 AM
So I missed the whole coffee cup thing. Here's a good screenshot for those who also missed it.

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18530917/game-of-thrones-got-season-8-hbo-final-last-of-the-starks-starbucks-coffee-cup-blooper

But they did get one thing wrong. It's not Starbucks. It's Starkbucks.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: AzT on May 06, 2019, 11:53:01 AM
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Hmmmm, I didn’t know Starbucks coffee existed in this universe.

 ;D

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sdcomicfest I can't believe that the barista still spelled her name wrong.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxIYNOAnLyZ/
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Post by: mark on May 06, 2019, 12:22:59 PM
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;D

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxIYNOAnLyZ/

Even the candle flames are drawn to Jon.

Now if we can just get some of the good coffee to whoever was supposed to be the lookouts on the Greyjoy ships.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 06, 2019, 12:36:41 PM
Starbucks stores are everywhere, even in Westeros.
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Post by: AzT on May 06, 2019, 12:43:34 PM
Pumpkin spice... mead ;)

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/game-of-thrones-coffee-cup-starbucks-twitter-trending-1203205879/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: DaveG on May 06, 2019, 02:23:58 PM
Love reading the comments.  I have to go somewhere to help process everything they throw at us.  Poor Ghost.  It just feels like he's been given very little screen time lately.  I just assume it's a money issue and they didn't want to invest much CGI in him.  But I was really disappointed in Jon not having a farewell scene with him.

Before I go into some of the things I wish they'd do better, I'm going to go on record saying I love this show and this season.  Yeah, plotwise they've been better, but they were left with so many plot threads to bring to closure that it's got to be a very difficult juggling act.  I just look at it this way.  Would I rather not have this show?

Stuff not making sense?  I get that.  Outside of being Night King bait and validating Jon's lineage, what good has Bran been this season.  I mean seriously, he can warg into other creatures.  Why isn't he in the middle of the war planning and doing recon in the form of a raven or hawk.  Or is the 3-eyed Raven just "above" all this mortal stuff?

Dany, you've already seen Drogon wounded once from this type of weapon.  You already commented that your enemies are preparing while the north tries to recover.  So why wouldn't you or someone think they would have an abundance of these weapons?  Did you learn your attack pattern from the school or Rickon (move in a straight line so an enemy can better gauge your position)?  As someone stated, attack from above and then veer off into whatever direction those weapons aren't pointing.  At least the trailer made it seem like she plans to use cloud cover next week.  And once you set something on fire you'll get the advantage of cover from the smoke.

I totally get why the north doesn't trust Dany, her being an outsider and all.  But a little more gratitude for helping them fight the Night King would have been nice.

After six plus seasons of watching Danyrius overcome adversity and develop into a queen the people love, it's very difficult to see her go down this current path that hints of nothing but tragedy.  I'm not sure I'm ready for that.  Jon's had adversity too, but all this leadership keeps getting handed to him.  Danyrius had to fight for her position.  So I also get why she's reluctant to give it up.

ok, I'm really looking forward to the last couple of episodes.  I still think the good far outweighs the bad.  I know more characters I love are going to die.  Let's hope they do so well.

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Post by: AzT on May 06, 2019, 03:10:22 PM
Captain Phasma Ser Brienne speaks, from: http://www.makinggameofthrones.com/production-diary/season-8-episode-4-gwendoline-christie-brienne-interview (bold = mine)

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I was very touched and very moved by the journey they decided to take the character on. And I felt privileged to be playing that part and to have that storyline because it felt as though they’d taken care with the character and that’s all I ever really wanted because I feel she’s such a unique character in mainstream television.

::applause::  ;D
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Post by: debster on May 06, 2019, 03:39:56 PM
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Fair enough, but then why wouldn't he say anything to Brienne? Why would he sneak out in the middle of the night?

I think Jaime thinks it might be a suicide mission and doesn't want Brienne come with him to die as well. I could be very wrong about this though. :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Chris on May 06, 2019, 05:17:46 PM
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Even the candle flames are drawn to Jon.

Now if we can just get some of the good coffee to whoever was supposed to be the lookouts on the Greyjoy ships.

Even the candles.   Funny. :)
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Post by: Mario Wario on May 06, 2019, 06:11:35 PM
https://twitter.com/coreycudney/status/1125566791835619328?s=21

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 07, 2019, 01:36:09 AM
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Fair enough, but then why wouldn't he say anything to Brienne? Why would he sneak out in the middle of the night?

To avoid the drama.  There's no point to it.  To avoid her wanting to come with him to fight together.  He wants to save her from the mess to come.  I also think that's why he launched into his "I'm not a good man" speech.  It keeps her safe by keeping her away from him.  Don't forget there's also an assassin that will be out gunning for him if they lose.  Why have her in the line of fire?
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Post by: Jim Watari on May 07, 2019, 08:25:14 AM
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https://twitter.com/coreycudney/status/1125566791835619328?s=21

Enjoy.

The same thing happened when Arya had her last interaction with Nymeria , no physical interaction. Probably because CGI with furry objects is not easy.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 07, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
I am officially on Team Coffee Cup For The Throne.
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 07, 2019, 03:43:29 PM
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I am officially on Team Coffee Cup For The Throne.

I'm not ruling out that it's some product placement gig.  Considering how many people had to pour over that scene during editing, you would think that someone would have noticed. They could have easily CG'd it out.  It's small enough and that table muddy brown enough that it would have been easy to do.
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Post by: semigeekgirl on May 07, 2019, 03:44:46 PM
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I'm not ruling out that it's some product placement gig.  Considering how many people had to pour over that scene during editing, you would think that someone would have noticed. They could have easily CG'd it out.  It's small enough and that table muddy brown enough that it would have been easy to do.

They have CGI'd it out, as of now: https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2019/5/7/18535157/game-of-thrones-got-season-8-hbo-final-last-of-the-starks-coffee-cup-starbucks-removed
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Post by: Angel_ on May 07, 2019, 03:45:05 PM
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I'm not ruling out that it's some product placement gig.  Considering how many people had to pour over that scene during editing, you would think that someone would have noticed. They could have easily CG'd it out.  It's small enough and that table muddy brown enough that it would have been easy to do.

Saw chatter on twitter that it is being CGed out.  Don't have a link as it was a passing comment, but apparently it was a mistake and they're removing it.

Edit: Was beaten:
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They have CGI'd it out, as of now: https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2019/5/7/18535157/game-of-thrones-got-season-8-hbo-final-last-of-the-starks-coffee-cup-starbucks-removed
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 07, 2019, 04:56:30 PM
Prediction: Jon will kill Dany after she goes mad. Of course, I could be wrong and I wouldn’t mind if I am. But yeah, there’s so many hints that this outcome is coming.


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Saw chatter on twitter that it is being CGed out.  Don't have a link as it was a passing comment, but apparently it was a mistake and they're removing it.

Edit: Was beaten:
Yet the show didn’t have enough money to have Jon pet Ghost...
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Post by: Angel_ on May 07, 2019, 04:59:38 PM
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Prediction: Jon will kill Dany after she goes mad. Of course, I could be wrong and I wouldn’t mind if I am. But yeah, there’s so many hints that this outcome is coming.

Yet the show didn’t have enough money to have Jon pet Ghost...

Lots of chatter regarding Jon killing Daenerys too.  And that he'll plunge a valyrian sword into her heart to 1) fullfil parts of the PTWP/Azor Ahai prophecy and 2) turn her into a Night Queen (except that was dragonglass but w/e).  We'll see I guess?  I hope this is actually speculation and not people passing off spoilers and speculation.  Seems so... precise.

Also David Nutter's excuse about CGI being too hard for Ghost is HILARIOUS.  Like what?? PET THE DARN DOG, JON.  PET HIM.
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Post by: Mario Wario on May 07, 2019, 05:30:32 PM
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Lots of chatter regarding Jon killing Daenerys too.  And that he'll plunge a valyrian sword into her heart to 1) fullfil parts of the PTWP/Azor Ahai prophecy and 2) turn her into a Night Queen (except that was dragonglass but w/e).  We'll see I guess?  I hope this is actually speculation and not people passing off spoilers and speculation.  Seems so... precise.

Also David Nutter's excuse about CGI being too hard for Ghost is HILARIOUS.  Like what?? PET THE DARN DOG, JON.  PET HIM.
First on David Nutter. How I took it, the show didn’t have enough money to create that scene and that the showerunners wanted to move on from anything relating to magic.

As for Jon/Dany, we will find out very soon. Jon hasn’t saved the world yet and that ‘prophecy’ of his needs to be fulfilled.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 08, 2019, 10:04:18 AM
My son is currently getting a lot of emails from universities who want him to apply in the Fall. Most of them are pretty standard. But this one stood out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGWS8z7ydeM
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 08, 2019, 10:29:37 AM
In my opinion, the food alone is a major reason why someone should go to New Orleans, Louisiana. Hehe!

Do know my family is from that area (have tons of cousins there) so I am bias. If he ever gets an offer from LSU, though, take it! ;)
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Post by: Angel_ on May 08, 2019, 10:54:30 AM
Well I DON'T have family in the area and I can vouch that the food there is friggin amazing ;)  So there's an unbiased opinion.  I looked at colleges in the area just so I could move close to the food lmao.  But I ended up staying in California instead.
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Post by: DaveG on May 08, 2019, 12:50:25 PM
I concur.  I once had a work assignment that required me to work out of Baton Rouge for 10 months.  I made the trip down to New Orleans every chance I got.  It was amazing.
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Post by: AzT on May 09, 2019, 01:06:25 PM
8)

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/critically-acclaimed-game-of-thrones-live-concert-experience-to-return-for-fall-2019-north-american-amphitheater-tour-300847163.html
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Post by: Angel_ on May 09, 2019, 03:05:15 PM
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8)

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/critically-acclaimed-game-of-thrones-live-concert-experience-to-return-for-fall-2019-north-american-amphitheater-tour-300847163.html

Oh man, I'd KILL to see Ramin Djawadi in concert.  I skimmed this article but didn't see San Diego listed, but this would be amazing to bring there.  Unlike panels, which are usually current things they hope to promote, concerts have been about things long since past as they're off site and not officially part of the con.  PLEASE please swing by SDCC plz.  Edit: It'd be like 5 weeks before the rest of the tour BUT MEH I CAN DREAM
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Post by: angoradebs on May 09, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
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8)

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/critically-acclaimed-game-of-thrones-live-concert-experience-to-return-for-fall-2019-north-american-amphitheater-tour-300847163.html

Ugh, I didn't get to attend this last year because the closest stop was 100 miles away on a Wednesday. This one doesn't come within 5 hours of me :(
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Post by: semigeekgirl on May 09, 2019, 03:37:26 PM
I'm so excited that the LA show is moving to the Hollywood Bowl! It's already come to LA twice but both times it was at the Forum and I HATE that venue.
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Post by: jazzyj on May 09, 2019, 04:38:07 PM
If you haven't had the chance to see Ramin Djawadi live,  I HIGHLY recommend it. I went to the one last year when it was in SJ and I got goosebumps throughout (also fun fact: it was the same day where he won the Emmy). His S8 work so far is beautiful and they're going to showcase it alongside scenes from the most recent season.
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Post by: Transmute Jun on May 09, 2019, 04:45:43 PM
We were at the SJ show as well and really enjoyed it. I am not normally a 'symphony' kind of person, but the visuals and effects really added to the music.
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Post by: TardisMom on May 09, 2019, 05:15:56 PM
We attended the show in Phoenix a couple years ago.  It is awesome!  My favorite part, though, was just watching the musicians and seeing the joy they have performing live and having the fans getting into it.  Very fun!
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Post by: semigeekgirl on May 10, 2019, 10:00:25 AM
Just bought tickets! For the LA show at least, there's a presale for Citi card members. Just enter the first six digits of your card number (and pay with the same card) and you're good to go.
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 12, 2019, 08:05:26 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: jamiesugah on May 12, 2019, 08:29:09 PM
Wow. That was...bad. I've never really liked Dany but what they've done to her this season is atrocious.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 12, 2019, 08:38:40 PM
Seems like Arya's whole purpose was... to witness?
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Post by: NCDS on May 12, 2019, 08:45:53 PM
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Seems like Arya's whole purpose was... to witness?

And to put a new name on her list!

But yes, they wanted you to be emotionally invested, they use Arya to really give the impact of what the Mad Queen was doing.
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Post by: Mario Wario on May 12, 2019, 08:52:33 PM
As expected, Dany is the show’s main villain. Again, Jon vs Dany; Jon will kill the ‘Mad Queen’. The Dragonstone kissing scene hinted at this, as well as his purpose on being revived many seasons ago, so get ready. Of course, I could be wrong.

But here’s my next prediction: Bran will finally do something and become king.

And I hate to say it all, but Arya had her moment in episode 3, so her character arc is done. She was only around for episode 5 because she was the ‘tour guide’ for the fans to see Dany’s destruction from the ground. Notice we never see Dany later? By the way, Jon was once again dumb (I guess Dark Helmet was right, good is dumb) and only the Hound had the better ending.

Oh, nerf dragons early for plot, but make one super later.  >:D Never underestimate the power of rocks and Darth Vader was back for a moment vs. the Hound? Man, I did not know Darth Vader took steroids. ;)
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Post by: Transmute Jun on May 12, 2019, 09:41:11 PM
LOL, we made the Darth Vader joke too. He was like the Hulk crossed with a zombie.

After the fire, with the remnants drifting down, it was complete: Ash and the Evil Dead (Gregor).

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Post by: DaveG on May 12, 2019, 09:50:57 PM
Episode mostly went as expected.  I was hoping for better, but it seemed obvious they were headed in this direction the past couple of weeks.  But then I've thought things were obvious in the past only to have it be misdirection.  Not this time.

Yeah, Jon just standing there while Varys was burned was slightly out of character, but I had little problem with that.  He committed treason.  What else was she supposed to do?  If it wasn't for Jon, Sansa should have been standing there next to Varys.  Say what you want, but at that moment from Dany's perspective they were committing treason.  I don't buy for a moment that Sansa didn't want them to take out Dany.

And so we come to the battle.  Dany burning the iron fleet and destroying the scorpions was just good battle strategy.  I saw no problem with that.  And then we come to the moment the war was won and the bells were ringing.  I was so hoping that was the end of it.  But then I remembered we had one more episode to go.  The only way to prolong the story was to have Dany not just cross the line between right and wrong, but to obliterate it.  She's done a few cruel things in the past, but so have many other characters.  When those cruel things happened to other cruel people, we hailed her as a champion of the people.    But here we are.  Something in her broke at that moment and I only feel sadness.  My love for the series is not diminished, but I can't help but think that next week is going to be very anti-climatic.  The ending seems inevitable, but it brings no joy.
Title: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: vegasndn on May 12, 2019, 10:08:18 PM
That was a wild episode, so much going on. I’m happy with the way they went because if the writers went the way people wanted it would be flowers, coronation and beheadings in the town square and that’s boring. Ayra in the streets was great, we could see the carnage that was happening because we cared for this character. Jamie and Eurona fight was good because it was where no one would witness it just two guys fighting to live. I can’t even guess at who’s going to get rid of the mad queen and her dragon.


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Post by: Chris on May 12, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
I liked the little green puffs of wildfire going off.  Guess they didn't find them all.  :)
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 12, 2019, 10:29:18 PM
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Seems like Arya's whole purpose was... to witness?

I was hoping that Ayra would do another NK and pop out of no where to save the hound.  But that would go against another point of these last episodes.  To tie up all the character arcs.  People need to die.  In my opinion, there was gratuitous character killing.  Varys was one thing, but the fight between Jamie and Euron seemed unnecessary for any plot line other than to give Euron a decent send off.  If anything, it was out of character.  Euron himself said that Cersei is done.  If nothing else, Euron is a survivor.  Why wouldn't he just go off and save himself instead running into the maelstrom?

The hand dude dying was pure nonchalant character killing.

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And so we come to the battle.  Dany burning the iron fleet and destroying the scorpions was just good battle strategy.  I saw no problem with that.  And then we come to the moment the war was won and the bells were ringing.  I was so hoping that was the end of it.  But then I remembered we had one more episode to go.  The only way to prolong the story was to have Dany not just cross the line between right and wrong, but to obliterate it.  She's done a few cruel things in the past, but so have many other characters.  When those cruel things happened to other cruel people, we hailed her as a champion of the people.    But here we are.  Something in her broke at that moment and I only feel sadness.  My love for the series is not diminished, but I can't help but think that next week is going to be very anti-climatic.  The ending seems inevitable, but it brings no joy.

I was hoping this episode would be the last battle.  Then the next, final episode, would be a Lord of the Rings everything is done and let's rebuild type of episode.  Let's all come together.  But that would be out of character for the show.  Which is all doom and gloom.

"Oh, nerf dragons early for plot, but make one super later.  >:D"

It's especially glaring when they basically had the same scene in both episodes.  Last episode the dragon couldn't possibly defeat the fleet and had to run away.  This episode, in basically the same situation, the dragon can't be touched.
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Post by: TossedSalad on May 13, 2019, 12:35:20 AM
I’ve had mixed feelings all season and this episode was no different. I don’t have any real words for it right now but something is off. It could be the shortened season, despite the longer run time on episodes. Maybe the finale will tie up it and pay off. I was really disappointed in Cersei’s death. I get the reasoning for Jamie’s character but it just wasn’t satisfying. Yeah scared and basically alone, but perhaps the bloodlust clouded my judgement.  I guess I’m still confused why they didn’t just execute Dany while she was out front in the previous episode with just a small group of unsullied and the dragon a sitting duck
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Post by: Pyramid on May 13, 2019, 06:58:00 AM
Apparently the show runners said, “Dracarys,” to the script.


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 13, 2019, 07:13:01 AM
Okay, now that we're in full spoiler discussion...

I've really enjoyed this season. I know there are plot holes, but I have had a lot of fun watching. Yet last night's episode was disappointing for me First, Dany's apparent Targaryen madness. It feels like this has all come on suddenly, whereas this is the kind of show where I expect better... I expect major things like this to be building for a long time, possibly seasons, even if it isn't obvious until the end. For example, Melissandre's obsession to put Stannis on the throne, and the lengths she would go to in order to achieve that goal. In comparison, this quick descent for Dany feels almost disrespectful.

The other thing that disappointed me in this episode was Cersei's end, and Jamie's lack of character redemption. From a storytelling perspective, Jamie just went back to square 1, where he was willing to do anything for Cersei, including die uselessly with her. And Cersei deserved a better ending, even if it was 'stabbed and left to die' before the building fell in on her. I don't care that it wasn't Arya or Jamie who killed her, but this 'distant' killing of Dany's doesn't seem like a fitting end for Cersei.

Also, why were the Northern troops killing civilians and not listening to Jon when the told them to stop? Isn't Jon their leader?

Why hasn't Jon explained to Dany his reticence? He told her that he loves her, but then pulled back when she kissed him. A simple, 'You're my aunt.' or suchlike would have sufficed to explain his reasoning. Instead, he is silent, leading Dany to think that he is abandoning her. And that might have actually saved some grief.

Okay, there were things I liked about this episode too. Arya's choice between revenge and living life was a good one... coming all of the way to her goal and then giving it up because the Hound told her that she shouldn't become like him. And then the Hound living that out when he spent his own life to kill his brother... and his brother doing the same, casually killing his own creator (BTW, love that death for Qyburn) and ignoring his duty to fight Sandor.

The whole time the Cleganes were fighting, I was thinking, 'Gregor is a zombie! Go for the head!' and then finally Sandor did... and Gregor was still going! ROTFL!

Is Euron really dead? We didn't see him die... he might have been rescued or pulled himself into the boat to escape.

I do like the parallel that the Mad King was killed by Jamie to prevent him from burning the entire city, and then Dany actually did just that. My guess is that this will be the justification for going after her next week.

Tyrion is now the last Lannister and therefore Lord of Casterly Rock... something Tywin always claimed would never happen. I'm wondering if Dany will try to kill him and if that might be the last straw in people deciding to abandon her. Yet she still has some Dothraki and Unsullied. That will be messy.

Was Varys the last member of the original King's Council to die? I believe so.

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Post by: DaveG on May 13, 2019, 07:32:48 AM
Still processing.  It's very rare that a show makes me lose a little sleep, but I sort of felt this coming on and took today off from work.

Transmute, agree whole-heartedly with many of your comments.  I'm still having trouble thinking that Dany is truly "mad" in the sense it's being implied.  Jon not trying to "be there" for Dany, but staying silent I think only added to her desperation and feelings of abandonment.  In one sense, this would be a reason to say he would not be a good leader as he can't recognize when someone is suffering and needs support.  You point out the northerner didn't listen to him either.  I sort of feel now that the only just ending is to melt the iron throne and have no one rule.  What is there to rule anyway, but a city of ashes?

And if the remaining forces take down Dany, what happens to Drogon?  Did we bring back dragons, just to make them extinct again?  And outside of a spear-like projectile to the head, how are they going to kill the dragon?  What happens to Grey Worm?  Do we have to suffer through the death of 3 characters we grew to love over the course of 7+ seasons only to see them turn bad for about half an episode?

I've consistently felt like the writers have done a good job staying true to the character arcs.  But now I'm having doubts about how they are handling Dany, Jon and most especially how they ended up with Jamie.  I honestly felt his character showed the most growth during the course of the series.  It was good to see.  But in the end I felt like he reverted back to the same Jamie we saw in Season 1, episode 1 and would have pushed Bran out the window all over again. 

My final fear for next week is this.  The ending is just going to confirm that power corrupts and pushes people to the edge of madness and beyond.  Anyone with aspirations for the throne is doomed and there are no heroes.  I'll be left feeling that the series was one of the best ever produced on television, but I'll have no interest in ever revisiting it again and that may extend to any spinoffs they are planning.  Why invest the time and emotional commitment towards something that leaves me feeling empty or sad.  Life does that often enough on its own.  Give some sense of hope at the end...some reason to cheer. 

Anyway, really appreciate this forum and other comments.  Right now its about the only place I feel safe to discuss this without spoiling the show for anyone else.  At least anyone reading this has been forewarned in regards to spoilers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 13, 2019, 07:57:54 AM
Regarding the dragons... even if Drogon dies, there is nothing to say that somewhere along the way, the dragons didn't lay some eggs somewhere... perhaps at Dragonstone, where they had 'nests' from previous Targaryen residents.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: DaveG on May 13, 2019, 08:03:54 AM
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Regarding the dragons... even if Drogon dies, there is nothing to say that somewhere along the way, the dragons didn't lay some eggs somewhere... perhaps at Dragonstone, where they had 'nests' from previous Targaryen residents.

Fair enough.  So not extinct, just gone again until we can repeat this whole cycle all over again.  So far, nothing in the show leads me to believe that several hundred years from now there won't be a whole new set of houses vying for control over the seven kingdoms.  I guess that's just the nature of men.  Valar Morghulis.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Chris on May 13, 2019, 08:52:36 AM
I am liking the character moments in the season.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: janray on May 13, 2019, 09:13:27 AM
The scene with Tyrion and Jaime...Tyrion thanking Jaime for not treating him like a monster and then the hug...brought tears to my eyes
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Post by: Transmute Jun on May 13, 2019, 09:19:40 AM
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The scene with Tyrion and Jaime...Tyrion thanking Jaime for not treating him like a monster and then the hug...brought tears to my eyes

I agree, that was a good scene. I also like how they called back to when Jamie let Tyrion out of prison, to help Tyrion escape death.
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Post by: puppy on May 13, 2019, 09:20:13 AM
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I agree, that was a good scene. I also like how they called back to when Jamie let Tyrion out of prison, to help Tyrion escape death.

Dang.  Wish it were 95 cents when I paid for mine. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 13, 2019, 10:42:31 AM
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Also, why were the Northern troops killing civilians and not listening to Jon when the told them to stop? Isn't Jon their leader?

It was more than that.  They also showed the Lannister army was trying to protect the civilians.  So it's complete role reversal.  The good guys have become the bad guys and the bad guys are now the good guys.  The wheel has not been broken, it just had another turn.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: foxbatkllr on May 13, 2019, 10:46:08 AM
Count me in the group that liked last night's episode.  I feel like those who thought Dany's turn came out of nowhere watched a different show than I did.  For many seasons she's been walking the line between wanting to be a kind ruler and wanting to burn it all to the ground.  Either way, everything she's done to this point has been with a single goal in mind: take the throne for herself.  She has always acted entitled to the throne.  She has shown mercy, but she's also punished without mercy.  I've always felt her character could go either way.  With the death of two of her children, the death of two of her closest advisors, the treason of Varys and John and the realization that nobody in Westeros cares about her, she determined she could only rule with fear.

I do think that the show would have benefited from a couple of extra episodes to get here, but the end result of Dany turning was completely within her character.

I feel similarly about Jaime's character arc.  I know a lot of people are upset he went back to Cersei.  I originally thought he was going to kill her so it did come as a surprise to me.  However, not every character can have a redeeming character arc.  Jaime would constantly remind other characters, as if to warn the audience, that he is not a good guy.  He would repeatedly do something good then turn around and do something bad.  That's his whole character.  The fact that he ultimately ends up going back to Cersei may be disappointing, but its not out of line with who he is.  It's not like he had one season of being bad, 6 seasons of being good, then in the last season suddenly became bad again. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: AzT on May 13, 2019, 11:03:08 AM
https://youtu.be/5W8j6wOvxuo

https://youtu.be/9K7c0jXkaGc

https://youtu.be/RQ9QQMXTftY
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 13, 2019, 12:34:29 PM
My review of The Bells (https://thegeekiary.com/game-of-thrones-8x5-review-the-bells/64599).

Summary: It was awful.  It lacked consistency with previously written canon and rushed to conclusions that were not lined out previously. Bad writing.

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(possible spoilers)

Not sure if you're aware of this, but your predictions are lined out almost word for word on r/FreeFolk as potential leaks.  I don't know how true that is.  But if you got them from someone saying they are leaks I would be careful about passing them off as theories.  No indication that it's true of course.  But it just takes me back seeing you predict something I read elsewhere almost identical to this.

Edit:
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I feel like those who thought Dany's turn came out of nowhere watched a different show than I did. 

No.  I've been loyal to the show since season one and have read all the books.  And I have a BA in film and studied narrative structure.  I'm just going to quote my own article here:

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I’m not upset with the concept of Mad Queen Daenerys. I’m upset with the delivery. At this point in the books, we haven’t really been given a set up for this turn. If there’s any foreshadowing there, it’s subtle enough to be taken in a number of different ways and doesn’t scream ‘tyrant.’ Even on the show (because I’m not going to discriminate against show only folks here), any indication of violent tendencies makes sense in the context of each individual scene. Shouting that she’ll take what is hers “with fire and blood!” didn’t even feel particularly vicious given the context. She was trying to intimidate The Thirteen of Quarth to get what she needed. And burning the masters of Mereen, while violent, had the good intention of freeing the slaves being held in captivity. She even tells the Unsullied to harm no child.

The first indication on the show that she might be more vicious than was truly necessary was when she burned the young Tarly heir last season. Killing him was a mistake, true. I won’t argue against that. She could have gone against his wishes then and put him in a dungeon while just executing his father.  But even so, given the context, it wasn’t a red flag that she was going to go full-blown villain.  Lots of people in positions of authority on Game of Thrones, even our beloved Jon Snow, have executed people that defied them. She was executing opposition, and just happened to execute one person who she maybe could have given a second chance. Bad? Yes. Indication of being a full-blown tyrant? No.

Going back to the books for a moment, we get her internal monologues quite frequently and she’s always thinking of how she can protect the most innocent people in society. If this happens in the books, I feel like it’ll be laid out much cleaner and with better justification. It won’t happen this quickly.  We’ll see the logical steps she takes in her mind as she descends towards madness.  Even the Mad King had a trigger (the Defiance of Duskendale), so if GRRM goes this route I trust that he’ll make it make sense. It has to. GRRM spends hundreds of words talking about food, so my dude isn’t going to ignore the details on important character development.

Again, it’s not the concept of Mad Queen Daenerys that upsets me. It’s the rapid way we got here and the complete lack of legitimate foreshadowing that this was the route it could go.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: angoradebs on May 13, 2019, 03:14:40 PM
I'm loving this season, which I guess puts me in the minority, at least on the internet.

Disclaimer: I unabashedly love the Lost series finale, which is pretty universally hated, so, take that as you will.

My thoughts on Dany's descent into madness: The progression of her mental state mirrors the loss of her dragons.

When she has all 3 dragons, she is relatively stable. She is able to be advised, she listens to people, she's relatively good. She believes she is the rightful heir to the Iron Throne - it is her birthright. She is following what her brother Viserys taught her: the usurper murdered our family and stole our throne, and it is OURS. We need to take it back.

Dany gets to Westeros and meets Jon. She orders him to bend the knee, because she is Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, and the North is one of her kingdoms.

Then Viserion dies. Literally immediately after, Dany drops that line. She offers to fight alongside Jon against the Army of the Dead, no strings attached, you don't have to give up the North. Jon then chooses her as his Queen and bends the knee of his own volition. At this point, it seems like maybe Dany could be a great ruler, one looking out for the best interest of the people. One who will fight against the enemy that threatens to destroy her subjects. The kind of ruler that her brother Rheagar might have been. But she discovers she is NOT the Targaryen heir. At this point, she is a usurper. She's Renly Baratheon, she knows the throne isn't her birthright, but she wants it anyway.

And then Rheagal dies. The part of her who might have been a good ruler dies. She is left with Drogon, who represents the conqueror and warlord Drogo. Drogo, who took whatever he wanted when he wanted it. Nothing to do with birthright, or being deserving, or instilling love in the people. What she wants, she takes. She tells Jon herself, the people will never love her, so instead she will settle for having them fear her. Dany didn't just burn the people of Kings Landing because she "went mad," she made a deliberate choice. She had it won, but she thought that if she took the throne, the people would choose Jon over her. And the part of her that might have been able to accept that was already gone. If the attack on Kings Landing had happened when she first came to Westeros, with 3 dragons and no other known Targaryens, she would have never made that choice. She wouldn't have even thought of it. But based on everything that happened in seasons 7 and 8, I think it made complete sense for her character. It didn't come out of no where. It was a logical progression of her character.

Also: Jamie was always going to go back to Cersei. Why people thought he would kill her is beyond me. He was still 100% pro-Cersei up until the Season 7 finale. He left her only because he had promised to fight for the living. The living won, he went back to her. I wish they hadn't had him and Brienne hook up, but to say him going back to Cersei undoes his entire character is ridiculous to me. We are talking about the only woman he ever loved, the woman carrying his child, his twin sister. After traveling with Brienne and losing his hand, he became slightly less of an a-hole. But that was about the extent of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 13, 2019, 03:41:27 PM
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I avoid leaks because I want to experience each episode fresh. I avoided Endgame leaks/theories because I didn’t want to be spoiled on anything and I just do not trust anything online in general. For GoT, I’m going by each episode of this season (and past) plus from Nerdist, IGN, The Ringer and Fandom. Looks like I am not the only one thinking this then.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 13, 2019, 03:47:09 PM
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I avoid leaks because I want to experience each episode fresh. I avoided Endgame leaks/theories because I didn’t want to be spoiled on anything and I just do not trust anything online in general. For GoT, I’m going by each episode of this season (and past) plus from Nerdist, IGN, The Ringer and Fandom. Looks like I am not the only one thinking this then.

Alright, good good.  And it may not be true.  I was just weary because it's a pretty out there theory.  And I've seen people pass off leaks and spoilers and theory before and it makes me mad lmao.  Glad that's not the case here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mark on May 13, 2019, 05:12:29 PM
R.I.P. Aaron "Bowman" Rodgers
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 13, 2019, 05:32:02 PM
[member=4072]angoradebs[/member] I like your theory about Dany's sanity relating to her dragons. I'd be interested in seeing an analysis of this over the entire series, for example, in Mereen, when they were unhappy because they had to be locked up.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 14, 2019, 09:59:00 AM
I like this season also and I think the fact people are so upset means they are getting a lot of things right!  Failures are not easy to watch.

The argument their character wouldn't do that is hard for me, their character did do it, so the character would do it.  I get wanting them to do something different or to be written differently, I just don't think because you don't like it means it's bad writing.  Yes, I screamed at my TV the bells are ringing!!!   I also think how many times in life have I been shocked about someone's behavior, or as someone who likes true crime stories seen interviews of friends and family that can't believe the person they know did it.  We tend to want to see the best in people.  I think the audience was working extra hard to do that with Jamie and Daenery.  Personally, I think Cersei and Jamie's death was poetic. 

Don't even get me started on the similarities to our own history. 

[member=4072]angoradebs[/member] you are wrong about the ending of lost though!     >:D  I do think had they ended it the first season it would have worked for me.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 14, 2019, 11:01:50 AM
I disagree.  I think there is objectively good and objectively bad writing.  The subjective part is if you like a particular action, but the objective part is if it makes logical sense.  And a lot of this season makes no logical sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: semigeekgirl on May 14, 2019, 11:17:08 AM
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I disagree.  I think there is objectively good and objectively bad writing.  The subjective part is if you like a particular action, but the objective part is if it makes logical sense.  And a lot of this season makes no logical sense.

I agree completely with this. I'm not angry at this season because bad things are happening and people are dying. I'm mad at this season because all the characters seem to have come down with a chronic case of stupidity that makes no sense.

Also, I've seen a lot of arguments that things like Dany's and Jaime's actions were fine because the show had hinted at them for years. Predictable is not the same as earned. Did I predict Dany was going to snap and murder innocents? Yes, it was pretty obvious. Do I feel like the writers got her to a place where that made sense for her character - the same character who spent days grieving one child Drogon killed in Mereen a couple seasons ago, and the same character who seemed to feel honestly bad she'd felt she had to kill Sam's brother (who, from her point of view, was actively vowing to continue committing treason)? No, I absolutely do not.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 14, 2019, 11:24:58 AM
I don't think life is always logical, it's really interesting to think about if everything is logical.  I love Star Trek has taken this aspect on.  However, they still gave their main Vulcan character human genes, they need him to be flexible.  We find this in android characters also, we tend to give them emotions to make the story work.  I think writing so that everything is logical is hard and would probably be boring to watch.  Emotions are probably more fun to write because you have several paths.

Sometimes in order to enjoy things I just have to stop trying to make it reconcile with how I would do it and accept how it was done.  I was actually talking about this the other day on the Avengers End Game., I can try to figure out why or why not the time travel concept works or I can just accept that it worked and enjoy the film.  I mean I am not trying to reconcile that a tree has vocal cords.

Ultimately though if I don't like how the story is written I just stop watching.  One thing I enjoyed last night was I had a deep conversation with a friend about the different ways we related to Jamie and how we were handling the emotions of how he turned out.  He was a very complex character.  This show got us to open up and have a good honest conversation.  I thought that was pretty neat. 

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 14, 2019, 11:49:18 AM
I've ditched so many shows I hate: The Walking Dead, The 100, Supernatural.  That's not a problem for me.  I stopped loving them.  The problem is I still love Game of Thrones.  I'm so critical BECAUSE I love it.  If I didn't love it, I wouldn't still be talking about it.  I would just walk away like I did the three shows I highlighted above.

The "humans are illogical" argument only goes so far.  When all the logic is falling apart at the same time, it's clearly a writing problem, and not an intentional effort to highlight the flaws of humanity.  Besides, even when humans act irrationally, there's usually a psychological reason for it deep down.  Even people who suffer from delusions have internal logic that may not make sense from the outside, but works when viewed from their perspective.  In this case, the majority of the characters have suddenly lost all sense of internal logic at the same time.  That's a writing problem, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: semigeekgirl on May 14, 2019, 11:55:29 AM
I actually do hate Game of Thrones now, but I can't give up before the finale because it's almost done. (I do usually ditch shows that become hate-watches for me - which includes TWD and Supernatural for me as well.)

Also I absolutely love the costume/production design so I'd probably keep watching for that alone. But this season has definitely filled me with hate and rage, not enjoyment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 14, 2019, 12:00:02 PM
I'm don't hate GOT, but I am anxious for it to end.  I'm glad they aren't stretching it out to forever like TWD.  I used to love Supernatural.  I don't hate it.  I still watch every episode.  But it's gone from something I looked forward to, to something I watch when there's nothing else on.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 14, 2019, 12:05:35 PM
I mean if we are saying they all lost their internal logic I strongly disagree.  I think that is what is driving them.  It's things we have seen in past season that we wanted to ignore.  I actually find a lot of logical steps in the current story and I see how the characters came to this. 

I will say it, I liked the episode!

We are going to have to agree to disagree here.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 14, 2019, 12:19:44 PM
Can we explain the logic of Daenerys consistently fighting for the innocent only the abruptly turn over the course of two episodes?   Everything she's done prior to this has been done by others.  Executing people? So did Jon Snow. So did Ned Stark.  Heck, Jon killed a child.  Burning people alive?  So did Tyrion at the Battle of Blackwater.  In fact, that was less altruistic.  She burned the slavers and masters of Mereen and Astapor in order to free slaves.  Her desire to have the throne?  So did the five people involved in the War of Five Kings.  And they were far more "power hungry" than her.  In the books, her internal monologues have consistently been about gaining power and helping those who were more helpless along the way.  The Baratheon brothers had no such altruism.  So her sack of King's Landing is not internally consistent.

Or let's talk about the logic behind Jaime's sudden disregard for the citizens of King's Landing.  Back in season 3 he says that he killed King Aerys to save the citizens.  Now he says he doesn't care about the citizens and never did.  That is not consistent.

Or Varys making a point in season 6 that the right ruler doesn't have to be a man, and now suddenly in season 8 it really does matter.  There's no logical consistency there.

And then there's the non-character breakdown of consistency: how did the pirate hillbilly hit Rhaegal three times in a row last season from BEHIND Dragonstone?  If they could see Daenerys, she logically should have been able to see them.  Especially between reloads.  And now suddenly they can't hit them with a direct line of sight.  This is a factual logical flaw, not even debatable with character motivations or psychology.  In the Last of the Starks good ol' pirate hillbilly had the aim of Hawkeye, now he has the aim of a Stormtrooper. 

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to just agree to disagree on this.  And it's fine if you want to.  But this is upsetting and incredibly sloppy and fans have a right to be upset about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 14, 2019, 12:54:07 PM
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I'm sorry, but I'm not going to just agree to disagree on this.  And it's fine if you want to. 

um okay, we don't agree to disagree?  Do we disagree to disagree?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 14, 2019, 01:28:59 PM
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um okay, we don't agree to disagree?  Do we disagree to disagree?

"Agree to disagree" usually means stepping away from a debate.  I'm not stepping away and I'm firm in my belief.  If you want to step away that's fine, but I'm not. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 14, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
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"Agree to disagree" usually means stepping away from a debate.  I'm not stepping away and I'm firm in my belief.  If you want to step away that's fine, but I'm not.

I honestly can't care enough to debate, it's fictional characters, and they don't have a TARDIS to go back in time and make the changes you want.  I don't think they would though, but I hope they would at least go back in time and have Jon pet ghost.  lol

I don't see I agree to disagree as backing down, I see it as being polite and saying we both know we aren't going to agree so instead of letting it get ugly and making it awkward for everyone else reading let's agree to move on. 

However, if it does make you feel better I can back down and say you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong.    You know nothing NCDS!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 14, 2019, 01:47:38 PM
And that's fine if you don't want to debate.  I'm here to defend my point of view and more than willing to debate and defend.   I've written probably over 10k words in the past 2 weeks defending my view between my blog and a piece I'm involved with with the BBC so I'm pretty fired up about it.  You don't have to agree with me 100% but I am going to keep defending my view.  That's all I'm saying and all I meant by that comment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 14, 2019, 02:07:41 PM
I guess I don't know why you feel the need to defend it.  It's okay for points of views to be different.  Just because we don't agree doesn't make one right or wrong.   It means we see things differently.   I think it's great you found an outlet to discuss it.   That is something you should be proud about,  I look at the hundreds of not thousands of reviews on blogs as a positive thing.  Its got people thinking!

Just remember it's okay to have your opinion and we are proud of you.  No need to defend having it here,  it's embraced.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 14, 2019, 02:15:03 PM
I guess I feel the need to defend it because I'm extremely emotional about it.  This story means a great deal to me.  I've invested a lot of my life into this particular franchise and I feel let down.  And I feel that my justification for being let down is solid.  When people say it isn't, I'm going to defend my position that it is and that I'm justified with the strong feelings I'm having about it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mel on May 14, 2019, 02:38:16 PM
Soooooo, I feel like now is a good time to remember that different readings of the same text are all valid and one does not invalidate the other. They all just exist and that's why art is cool.

I also sense that more than just Angel is feeling emotionally distraught by the events of GoT. I saw DaveG even needed to take a day off work. Maybe a thread to process that away from film debate and opinion would be a safer place? Like GoT: Air your grievances here and grievances only!!

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 14, 2019, 02:44:29 PM
I completely understand you are emotionally involved and I respect that.  I just ask you to remember that there are a lot of people also emotionally involved who feel differently and that doesn't make you wrong or them wrong.  Many like you have film degrees, write thousands of words on their blogs and interact with big-name media.   Art is subjective and it's okay not to like it, your reasons are valid, and you should be proud of them.   
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 14, 2019, 03:00:45 PM
I'm going to just copy/paste myself from a different source here since I have discussed the subjectivity of art: "Art is subjective, but logic is not.  Game of Thrones season 8 has been objectively bad in regards to narrative logic and facts that we know about the fantasy world George RR Martin built for us.  There are plenty of things in this show that I find subjectively good and subjectively bad.  For example, I enjoy Sansa’s strength and character growth, but don’t like that she references trauma caused by abuse as a cause of her strength.  But this is subjective.  This is an opinion.  And we can disagree.  But a large portion of the plot points in Game of Thrones season 8 are not like this.  They are objectively bad writing and bad directing and it cannot be ignored when it comes to discussing show quality."

I have been primarily arguing logical issues.  And those are what I'm defending.  If we got into the subjective side of things, I'd be more inclined to walk away from a debate.  I've gotten used to disagreeing on subjective things and know that's not something that can be definitive for all parties involved.

I'm extremely emotional right now for all of this so forgive me, but the "we're proud of you" reads as a bit condescending and as though you are pitting me against the board at large.  Perhaps that's not the intent and my emotions are influencing the words that I'm reading here. But if that reading is accurate, it doesn't make me feel too great when I'm already incredibly vulnerable because something I care so much about has been hurting me like this. 

And speaking of words being misinterpreted, me bringing up my credentials on the topic isn't intended to belittle people who don't have professional ties to media criticism. So if it's a reaction to that, I apologize, but it's being brought up rather to highlight my emotional AND professional investment in this.  So if that was misinterpreted, I do apologize and hope that clarifies my own meaning.  I don't want there to be a misunderstanding with my own words, like how I could be misinterpreting yours as condescending.

I'm incredibly upset right now and honestly on the verge of crying at work about all this.  I really don't know how to handle this at this moment.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 14, 2019, 03:14:29 PM
Angel listen I have honestly been trying to smooth this over for hours, I expressed that your opinion is valid, I have supported your right to it,  let you know I am proud of your accomplishments and I feel like nothing I do will be good enough.   I'm sorry we don't agree on this episode and maybe I should have just lied and said I completely agree. 

I am at the point know that I honestly don't know what I can do to make things okay for you.  I feel like you just want to be upset with me, and that is okay too.  I completely understand that, please understand I won't hold that against you at all.  It's perfectly understandable.  I do however think we need to end this conversation to be respectful of other forum members and for you to take time to heal after today's discussion.  I truly hope the rest of your day goes better.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Devorah on May 14, 2019, 03:26:50 PM
I agree. We appear to be at an impass so let’s move on please.


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TossedSalad on May 14, 2019, 05:03:22 PM
[member=4072]angoradebs[/member] you’re not alone. I liked the finale of Lost as well. When it was live on tv I had some mixed feelings but I recently re-watched the entire series and with the benefit of binge watching and not having to endure breaks and writers strike, I enjoyed it much much more
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: AzT on May 14, 2019, 05:28:47 PM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: DaveG on May 14, 2019, 08:16:38 PM
Another day and more distance.  Have to say I'm glad I had that day off from work.  No, I didn't take off specifically for GoT, but once I realized the timing, it made me glad.  It gave me a day to read a lot of blogs, listen to a podcast and read forum comments.  I don't disparage anyone from their thoughts or perspectives.  One thing I noticed is that a lot of people were projecting their own hopes and desires into the episode, which gave them their own unique perspective and thoughts afterwards. 

It does drive me a little crazy when people point to past events as foreshadowing what just happened.  My thoughts are that no matter which way Dany went at that critical moment there are events that people could use to say that.  It's like being a Monday morning quarterback.  Now that I know what happened I'm just going to go back and point out all the past events that supported it.  Had she been merciful, you could have done the same thing.  The comment I heard that resonated with me is that the rushed season has led to fewer "quiet" moments where people talk about their thoughts.  With Dany we only saw her sitting absorbed in her own thoughts, but really don't know what was going on inside her head.  We can only speculate.  We know what she did, but we still don't know why.  Personally, I don't think there is any reason that justifies it, but I still feel like its more than her just being "another mad Targaryen".

Anyway, keep the perspectives coming.  I find validity in most of them.  I still love the series and believe it to be one of the most awesome series I've ever seen.  I'm looking forward to Sunday, but am finding it hard to think it will do anything but make me sad.  I hope they surprise me and find a way turn this around.  I just don't see it.  One final comment.  Two weeks ago I was getting my morning coffee and brought up the topic of GoT.  The barista admitted he'd never seen it and asked me if I thought he should watch it.  In short, I told him "absolutely".  Today, my answer would be quite different and much more tempered. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TossedSalad on May 14, 2019, 09:49:56 PM
I just hope the finale leaves me with a better taste than the last few episodes. It does feel like the shortened season has hurt
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Emerald_Mom on May 15, 2019, 06:37:39 AM
Did anyone else see the theory that Varys was trying to poison Dany.... read that online and thought .....hmmm
Supposedly he had poisoned her food but she wasn't eating and he told his "little bird" that they would try again at dinner.  If true, this one went right by me without registering.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 15, 2019, 06:48:54 AM
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Did anyone else see the theory that Varys was trying to poison Dany.... read that online and thought .....hmmm
Supposedly he had poisoned her food but she wasn't eating and he told his "little bird" that they would try again at dinner.  If true, this one went right by me without registering.

That is how I took it.  I haven't done a 2nd viewing, at first I was thinking she knew I don't think she did.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 15, 2019, 07:06:00 AM
I never thought of that, but it makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Emerald_Mom on May 15, 2019, 07:25:23 AM
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That is how I took it.  I haven't done a 2nd viewing, at first I was thinking she knew I don't think she did.
I was thinking she did know.... that is why she didn't hesitate to condemn and execute Varys so quickly.... just a thought
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 15, 2019, 02:09:15 PM
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Did anyone else see the theory that Varys was trying to poison Dany.... read that online and thought .....hmmm
Supposedly he had poisoned her food but she wasn't eating and he told his "little bird" that they would try again at dinner.  If true, this one went right by me without registering.

I heard that too on Oysters, Clams, and Cockels podcast!  Yeah, it went over my head too.  This episode would've really benefited with more time to let the story unfold, IMO.  When I heard that theory I thought it made sense.

Does anyone think Bran warged into the white horse to save Arya?

Any predictions for next week?

For the finale, I think Daeny will kill Tyrion.  :(  Him helping Jaime escape is his death sentence.  Plus the fact that Jaime and Cersei are under a pile of rubble will only enrage Daeny that they may have escaped.  Considering she thought Jon had betrayed her when Tyrion informed her of a traitor, I think Jon will die too.  This will enrage Arya who will kill Daeny, probably wearing the face of Grey Worm.  She'll probably die too.  As for who take the Iron Throne, I'd like it to be Sansa but it will probably be Bran.  Why?  Because it makes no sense ... unless Sansa also dies leaving the eldest Stark to inherit the throne.

Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mllNY on May 16, 2019, 01:51:46 PM
F it... Gendry for the Throne
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 16, 2019, 02:44:27 PM
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I was thinking she did know.... that is why she didn't hesitate to condemn and execute Varys so quickly.... just a thought

I mean it's possible, she knew to be on the look-out.   I say we decide she did :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: jamiesugah on May 17, 2019, 01:29:01 PM
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F it... Gendry for the Throne

I support this 1000%.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 17, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
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I support this 1000%.

It honestly would kind of make sense.  If he was legitimized as a Baratheon, he has a claim now.  The Baratheons usurped the Targaryen's, yes, but there was a legit claim there for like almost 20 years or something (too lazy to google the time frame of Robert's Rebellion but yeah).  But I doubt he'd want it.  That's a lot of responsibility for a guy who had a rapid promotion from Bastard to Lord.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: lborgia88 on May 17, 2019, 02:40:59 PM
Having recently seen a movie, and season of a TV series, where time travel is used to fix everything (albeit with some sacrifices required), I find myself wondering if Bran could do something similar and bring about a re-do of much that has happened, at least since the death of the Night King -say, Misandei and Rhaegal survive, and Daenerys manages not to go mad, but then it turns out that Bronn had killed Tyrion and Brienne (who had jumped in front of Jaime to take the crossbow bolt aimed at him) at Winterfell?
Not that I think any of this will happen, but episodes 3 and especially 4 do remind me of the everything-has-gone-wrong possible futures that do often get averted by time travel plot devices!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 17, 2019, 05:01:41 PM
I still maintain Ash vs Evil Dead is a better show and everyone would have been happy if Ash came through a portal and saved them all. Daenery would give him some sugar and he would rule the kingdom. Hail to the King!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mllNY on May 17, 2019, 05:57:48 PM
Jamiesugah gets more thanks for agreeing with my post than I do for having it.

Where is the justice in that.

Going to burn down SDCC now and it's capital - the convention center
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mllNY on May 17, 2019, 06:00:37 PM
I just think Aegon Targaryen should grow up and date and marry his aunt like a proper Targaryen
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Post by: NCDS on May 17, 2019, 06:09:02 PM
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I just think Aegon Targaryen should grow up and date and marry his aunt like a proper Targaryen

That's the starks for you.  Always messing things up with their morals.  Their kid's hair could be all white with one brown streak. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mllNY on May 17, 2019, 06:11:37 PM
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That's the starks for you.  Always messing things up with there morals.  Their kid's hair could be all white with one brown streak.

*there* morals should go out the door when they are over *their* in king's landing...
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Post by: NCDS on May 17, 2019, 06:19:47 PM
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*there* morals should go out the door when they are over *their* in king's landing...

Thanks, Chris Hardwick  :P
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Post by: mllNY on May 18, 2019, 08:29:13 AM
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Thanks, Chris Hardwick  :P

Next time on Talking Thrones...

Was bringing Drogon, Rhaegal, and Viserion into war child endangerment.
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Post by: NCDS on May 18, 2019, 08:53:18 AM
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Next time on Talking Thrones...

Was bringing Drogon, Rhaegal, and Viserion into war child endangerment.

Dragons are perfectly safe for children.  Only a few children were eaten, they were scolded and told they were bad dragons. 
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Post by: DaveG on May 18, 2019, 09:11:57 AM
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Next time on Talking Thrones...

Was bringing Drogon, Rhaegal, and Viserion into war child endangerment.

I took this not so much as the dragons endangering other children, but more that the dragons themselves were relatively young, so was Danyrius being an irresponsible parent by taking them to war.  In retrospect, two of them (so far) did die.

Is anyone else's anxiety level starting to build for tomorrow night?  I kind of feel like I suffered the worse of it last week, but no idea what horribleness awaits.  I think Danyrius' fate is pretty much sealed.  But does that mean so is Drogon's?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 18, 2019, 09:22:06 AM
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I took this not so much as the dragons endangering other children, but more that the dragons themselves were relatively young, so was Danyrius being an irresponsible parent by taking them to war.  In retrospect, two of them (so far) did die.

Is anyone else's anxiety level starting to build for tomorrow night?  I kind of feel like I suffered the worse of it last week, but no idea what horribleness awaits.  I think Danyrius' fate is pretty much sealed.  But does that mean so is Drogon's?

I did misread that. too funny.

Honestly for me and I know I am usually in my own little bubble I am so excited.  I will finally know the answer to the books I started reading so long ago!  I am glad they didn't draw it out for another few seasons.  JUST TELL ME lol

Let's face it GRRM is not likely to finish so this is the best we are getting. 


[member=1222]mllNY[/member] sorry I read that wrong the answer is yes!  It was child endangerment. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mllNY on May 18, 2019, 09:51:04 AM
[member=2339]NCDS[/member]  - Yes what [member=737]DaveG[/member] said is where I was going with my comment
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 18, 2019, 09:52:45 AM
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[member=2339]NCDS[/member]  - Yes what [member=737]DaveG[/member] said is where I was going with my comment

Silly me thinking about humans.  But considering your concern for the kittens Thanos killed I should have known better.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mllNY on May 18, 2019, 10:17:44 AM
Listen all's I hear Dany screaming is 'These are my children'

Then she puts her children, who while large are barely 5 years old each, essentially toddlers,  to multiple wars and battles

Where's the Westerosi Child Protective Services when you need them
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mark on May 18, 2019, 12:11:26 PM
One weird thing my mind keeps going back to is the Planet Terror part of Grindhouse. There's a part where they pretend to have a projector error and the story skips ahead and there are characters that are gone, new characters, new injuries, etc., and it works.

There's probably all sorts of reasons why it wouldn't work for GoT but most of the things that have bugged me in the last 2 seasons have been rushed character development or scenes that felt like they were forced in because they had some importance later on.

More importantly, planning a low key Ice and Fire menu for tomorrow, Martini's and Steak Diane.
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Post by: Chris on May 18, 2019, 12:11:50 PM
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Dragons are perfectly safe for children.  Only a few children were eaten, they were scolded and told they were bad dragons.

Only a few...  :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 19, 2019, 03:16:59 PM
And this is what's going to happen tomorrow morning....

(https://i.imgur.com/wsYx05N.png)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 19, 2019, 03:55:41 PM
Anyone else binging the entire season before the series finale?  2 hours left to go.  On hold for last week's episode so that it will end right before this week's starts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 19, 2019, 05:02:21 PM
Stephen Amell is cracking me up.  He is in training for trolling.

  https://twitter.com/StephenAmell/status/1129972735482966016   
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mark on May 19, 2019, 05:30:11 PM
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Anyone else binging the entire season before the series finale?  2 hours left to go.  On hold for last week's episode so that it will end right before this week's starts.

Before each new episode we've been going through key parts of previous seasons and then the episode before last. I'm wondering what/if I will want to rewatch after tonight.

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And this is what's going to happen tomorrow morning....

(https://i.imgur.com/wsYx05N.png)

They have (potentially, hopefully) some good stuff lined up with Watchmen, His Dark Materials, Years and Years, probably other things I'm forgetting. But I bet you're right. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 19, 2019, 07:31:55 PM
I liked it, I will now leave you all to tear it apart  >:D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 19, 2019, 07:32:04 PM
So, no spoilers yet, because I know not everyone has seen it, but IMHO, given where the 5th episode ended, this one did about as well as could be expected tying everything up. I was satisfied with that aspect of it, despite my issues with episode 5.
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Post by: DaveG on May 19, 2019, 07:35:12 PM

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 19, 2019, 07:36:06 PM
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As expected, Dany is the show’s main villain. Again, Jon vs Dany; Jon will kill the ‘Mad Queen’

But here’s my next prediction: Bran will finally do something and become king.

And I hate to say it, but Arya had her moment in episode 3, so her character arc is done.
As I thought, this season did get too predictable for certain storylines. At least we had a good Ghost moment in the finale. This episode was, however, okay. Nothing more.
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Post by: angoradebs on May 19, 2019, 07:38:02 PM
I didn't just like it, I LOVED it. Seriously. I had no issues. Yes, there were things that didn't go "my" way, but nothing I'm angry about.

Twitter seems to have hated it. Not sure what everyone wanted. But I was actually crying happy tears while watching. I am 100% satisfied, and if this is how the books end, I'm all for it.

(Maybe it helped that some of what happened is stuff I predicted? I predicted what happened with/to Jon (yes, all of it), Sansa, and Dany. I was way off on Tyrion and Arya and.... some other players).

I kept my eyes averted during the opening credits so I wouldn't be spoiled by who was in the episode, and I'm glad.

I'm a happy camper. I hope others are happy, too.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 19, 2019, 08:23:54 PM
I thought it had a rocky start, good middle, long end.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Chris on May 19, 2019, 09:22:02 PM
Still no puchline to the jackass and the honey comb joke?  I'm suing HBO.  :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: omraged9 on May 19, 2019, 09:38:29 PM
Once I got over my anger over the last episode and the character assassination of Dany, I have to say that I really enjoyed the finale. I think the music really helped. I teared up at least a couple of times. I predicted the first big thing that happened but was surprised by how they ended it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: AzT on May 19, 2019, 10:20:46 PM
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emilia_clarke Finding the words to write this post has left me overwhelmed with how much I want to say but how small words feel in comparison to what this show and Dany have meant to me. The mother of dragons chapter has taken up the whole of my adult life. This woman has taken up the whole of my heart. I’ve sweated in the blaze of dragon fire, shed many tears at those who left our family early, and wrung my brain dry trying to do Khaleesi and the masterful words, actions (and names) I was given, justice. Game of Thrones has shaped me as a woman, as an actor and as a human being. I just wish my darling dad was here now to see how far we’ve flown. But to you, dear kind magical fans, I owe you so much thanks, for your steady gaze at what we’ve made and what I’ve done with a character that was already in the hearts of many before I slipped on the platinum wig of dreams. Without you there is no us. And now our watch has ended.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TossedSalad on May 20, 2019, 12:47:59 AM
Based on the ups and downs of the last season or two......I’m left whelmed.  It overwhelmed with joy or anger, not underwhelmed or filled with hate......just meh. There’s a lot of different ways it could have gone and the last season never really felt like the early seasons of the show. There were some nice moments (small council being a big one) but it just felt too happy of an ending for this kind of show. Too convenient. Just my opinion and thoughts.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TossedSalad on May 20, 2019, 01:11:58 AM
I also did really love the shot of Dany walking to greet her army and Drogon’s wings spread out behind her to looks as if they were hers. Reminded me of season 1 of Luke Cage when Cottonmouth was in his office and the Biggie painting was behind him and the shot was framed to make it look like the crown was on his head
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: jamiesugah on May 20, 2019, 05:16:55 AM
I feel really hollow after that. Nothing makes sense. Nothing had any meaning. Stuff just happened.

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There were some nice moments (small council being a big one) but it just felt too happy of an ending for this kind of show.

That was a scene that really bothered me, actually. Like, what is Bronn doing on the small council? As Master of Coin? How is Sam Grandmaester when he never even finished his training at the Citadel? (Presumably - we have no idea how much time has passed) I can't believe Brienne is head of Bran's Kingsguard when she swore herself to Sansa.

There were a lot of little things like that. Like, there is no way the other lords of Westeros would be cool with the North being independent and still putting a Stark on the Iron Throne. You mean to tell me once Sansa was like, "Hey, cool, we're not gonna be part of the Seven Kingdoms" that Yara and the still-unnamed Prince of Dorne weren't like, "What a great idea! Us too"? Why is Tyrion, the prisoner, running the meeting? Why is anyone listening to the Unsullied, especially since they peaced out back to Essos?

Gah, I'm making myself upset. I knew that with this show I wouldn't be entirely happy with the ending, but I was hoping there would be some part of it that would be satisfying to me and honestly one of the only redeeming parts was Jon finally patting Ghost and, like, that's a really low bar to meet.
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Post by: angoradebs on May 20, 2019, 05:50:59 AM


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I feel really hollow after that. Nothing makes sense. Nothing had any meaning. Stuff just happened.

That was a scene that really bothered me, actually. Like, what is Bronn doing on the small council? As Master of Coin? How is Sam Grandmaester when he never even finished his training at the Citadel? (Presumably - we have no idea how much time has passed) I can't believe Brienne is head of Bran's Kingsguard when she swore herself to Sansa.

There were a lot of little things like that. Like, there is no way the other lords of Westeros would be cool with the North being independent and still putting a Stark on the Iron Throne. You mean to tell me once Sansa was like, "Hey, cool, we're not gonna be part of the Seven Kingdoms" that Yara and the still-unnamed Prince of Dorne weren't like, "What a great idea! Us too"? Why is Tyrion, the prisoner, running the meeting? Why is anyone listening to the Unsullied, especially since they peaced out back to Essos?

Gah, I'm making myself upset. I knew that with this show I wouldn't be entirely happy with the ending, but I was hoping there would be some part of it that would be satisfying to me and honestly one of the only redeeming parts was Jon finally patting Ghost and, like, that's a really low bar to meet.

Bronn as master of coin makes bizarre sense to me. The whole series he has been motivated by money. Bran trusts Sam, of course he isn't going to have issues with him being Maester. Brienne did bother me, she should have been in Sansa's queensguard.

Curious as to why you think nothing had any meaning. What parts specifically?

Maybe the new prince of Dorne has no interest in being independent. We have no idea who he is. Maybe he wants to rely on the Crown. Maybe he thinks that's what's best for his people.

Yara probably should have fought for independence for the Iron Isles, but who is to say she won't in the future. This whole ending was about changing the status quo. No more iron throne. Not just the destruction of the chair, but the dismantling of the system. The throne, and who sits in it, is no longer "iron," it's not based on birthright, it doesn't matter if your dad was king.

Bran isn't a Stark anymore. He has no specific loyalty to the north or to his family. So they didn't put a Stark on the throne. And as the three eyed raven he has access to endless knowledge that could make him a great leader. And if he's not, well...they can change it. The wheel is broken.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: DaveG on May 20, 2019, 06:34:02 AM
I don't really see the wheel as being broken.  If Bran is all-knowing, did he know Danyrius was going to kill hundreds of thousands of people and he did nothing to try and stop it?

Anyway, once something happens to Bran I see a whole new generation of lords and ladies restarting the "game" and using bribes, threats and manipulations to get "elected" the new king.  They just altered the rules a little, but the game is alive.  Or does anyone think having elected leaders leads to a completely fair system with no corruption?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: angoradebs on May 20, 2019, 07:00:09 AM
We don't know that Bran is all knowing. We know he sees the past. The only indication we got that he sees the future is when he saw Drogon fly over Kings Landing.

The wheel was about dynasties. The new system gets rid of that. It's no longer about Lannister or Baratheon or Tully or whatever. It's about choosing a specific person, not a whole family. If they chose Edmure, they aren't choosing his son or his son's son. They are choosing Edmure only. Then they will choose again. And again. Blood means nothing, the spokes on the wheel mean nothing. (Unless you're poor, obviously. They still have no place... yet)

And of course even in a democracy people can be corrupt. Obviously. But choosing a king each time is 100x better than the previous system of having someone conquer and then saying okay, your family gets to rule forever regardless of what a s**t job you do.

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 20, 2019, 07:02:03 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/ign/status/1130350181004636160?s=21

You can see a water bottle.  :P


By the way, I have a feeling we haven’t seen the last of Jon and Arya. Basically, hello spinoffs! We only know of one being a prequel, but not the other ones. Arya sailing west to the unknown would be a neat to see and the same for Jon returning north. We still haven’t seen everything in that region. Also, the Night’s Watch is not needed anymore besides being a garbage zone for those that are unwanted? I doubt it since Bran can see the future.

Heck, I can picture GoT returning later. Think Force Awakens but in this universe. So many questions left unanswered; nothing really got concluded in the end when you think about it.

New storylines have begun, which gives HBO the power to continue the main series. Don’t be surprised if what I said comes true later. Money talks and HBO wants to GoT us to death.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: rabbitwarren on May 20, 2019, 09:46:23 AM
This article sums up how I feel about the fates of the characters. 

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-game-of-thrones-finale-got-the-important-stuff-righ-1834884402

It was never going to be a triumphant ending.  And I disagree that it was a happy ending.  Sansa gets to be Queen but she's more or less alone, no longer the silly little girl with romantic ideals.  Arya is a lone wolf, wandering around the world as there's really nothing for her in Westeros anymore, Jon lives in exile. 


Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 20, 2019, 10:10:07 AM
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Jon lives in exile.

But he lives in exile with Tormund... ;)
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Post by: NCDS on May 20, 2019, 10:14:58 AM
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But he lives in exile with Tormund... ;)


And he gets to find a new Greta! 

Silly Greyworm, they pulled a fast one on him.
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Post by: Mario Wario on May 20, 2019, 10:15:05 AM
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But he lives in exile with Tormund... ;)
And Ghost!
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: angoradebs on May 20, 2019, 10:42:29 AM
Yeah, I would say Jon is NOT in exile. He is living beyond the wall, which is where he spent the happiest moments of his life. I think it's the ending Jon would have always wanted for himself, especially with the knowledge that his family is safe.

I would say it's mostly a happy ending for everyone who was left (except Grey Worm). Way happier than I ever expected, so I'm actually pleasantly surprised in that regard.

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Post by: chocolateshake on May 20, 2019, 10:48:54 AM
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Arya is a lone wolf, wandering around the world as there's really nothing for her in Westeros anymore, Jon lives in exile.

When Arya said she was taking off, I envisioned her riding off on a horse into the sunset.  But she's the captain of a ship with a full crew.  Not exactly a lone wolf.

Jon has been in exile since season 1.  The feel I got from that scene where he enters the gate and Tormund is there waiting for him was, "I'm home."

Why is no one talking about what happened to Ghost's ear?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: angoradebs on May 20, 2019, 10:54:12 AM
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When Arya said she was taking off, I envisioned her riding off on a horse into the sunset.  But she's the captain of a ship with a full crew.  Not exactly a lone wolf.

Jon has been in exile since season 1.  The feel I got from that scene where he enters the gate and Tormund is there waiting for him was, "I'm home."

Why is no one talking about what happened to Ghost's ear?
Ghost lost his ear in the battle of winterfell - it's missing in episode 4. It was easy to miss, though, because you were probably too filled with rage at Jon not petting him (I know I was!)

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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 20, 2019, 10:56:05 AM
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I can't believe Brienne is head of Bran's Kingsguard when she swore herself to Sansa.

How could she be with Sansa?  The North is no longer part of the 6 Kingdoms.  The North is for Notherners.  They don't like strangers.  Brienne is not from the North.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 20, 2019, 10:59:19 AM
Plus Brienne promised to protect Catelyn's children, and Bran is one of her children. It's just that Catelyn didn't know that Bran was still alive when she gave Brienne this task.

Presumably though, Sansa would have given Brienne permission to stay with Bran. I don't believe the Starks/Kings in the North have historically had a Kingsguard.

I love that Brienne filled in Jamie's entry in the Kingsguard journal. I also love that Grey Worm kept his promise to Missandei and went to protect the people of Naarth.

It's an 'unhappy' ending for Bran and Tyrion, both being forced to do jobs they didn't want.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 20, 2019, 12:05:07 PM
Good Boi Ghost got pets.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Chris on May 20, 2019, 02:48:06 PM
I interpreted Jon's situation as exile had he stayed at the wall.  I loved the fact that he "let's keep going, Thelma" and left the wall for the north.

Maybe not literal as Thelma, but the general idea to keep going.  :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 20, 2019, 02:58:06 PM
I'd like to think that he and Tormund and Ghost are going to lead a nice life together north of the Wall lol
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mllNY on May 20, 2019, 05:37:09 PM
Best part of GoT - Westworld III trailer
Worst part of GoT - Westworld III coming out 2020
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 20, 2019, 06:00:48 PM
https://twitter.com/foldablehuman/status/1130581319593783296?s=21 (https://twitter.com/foldablehuman/status/1130581319593783296?s=21)

Enjoy. :)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 20, 2019, 07:26:25 PM
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As for who take the Iron Throne, I'd like it to be Sansa but it will probably be Bran.  Why?  Because it makes no sense ...

That’s my takeaway, it just makes no sense and like my above post it was all a big joke.  All the character development and revelations ultimately don’t matter.

Some rhetorical devices questions I have:

-  Why is there even a Night’s Watch when the Night King died and the wall has a big gaping hole in it?  Just because bastards need a home?

- Where is Grey Worm going?  The Unsullied have no lands.

- Why are they going after Drogon? 

- Why did they go up to Castle Black when the wall had fallen?  Supplies, maybe.

Also Jon Snow has a better story than Bran who wasn’t even in one season.  Why the big secret about his heritage?

At least Ghost got pets. 






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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: mllNY on May 20, 2019, 07:41:08 PM
I look at the nights watch as still a way for people to be spared death from crimes. Nothing to watch but they are removed from society and stripped of their name

that or Bran and the others just assumed that Grey Worm and the unsullied wouldn't understand the night's watch was for and they got duped
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: angoradebs on May 20, 2019, 07:44:42 PM
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That’s my takeaway, it just makes no sense and like my above post it was all a big joke.  All the character development and revelations ultimately don’t matter.

Some rhetorical devices questions I have:

-  Why is there even a Night’s Watch when the Night King died and the wall has a big gaping hole in it?  Just because bastards need a home?

- Where is Grey Worm going?  The Unsullied have no lands.

- Why are they going after Drogon? 

- Why did they go up to Castle Black when the wall had fallen?  Supplies, maybe.

Also Jon Snow has a better story than Bran who wasn’t even in one season.  Why the big secret about his heritage?

At least Ghost got pets. 


-There isn't really a Night's Watch. I mean, probably in name only there is. But Jon got up there and it was mostly Wildlings, and they all went beyond the Wall. The Night's Watchmen that are there are most likely the ones that survived the battle of Winterfell. Where else would they go but back to their home?

-Grey Worm literally says they are headed to Naath

-Probably because a wild dragon flying around is a danger to the citizens of Westeros

-Not really sure what you mean by why did they go back to Castle Black. Why did who go back? The people who were on the wall when it fell? They went back because they were stuck at the top of the wall and had to get there to get back down.

-Jon Snow being a Targaryen, specifically the son of Dany's older brother, completely obliterated her claim to the throne. That claim was the entire reason she was barging into Westeros and trying to grab the throne - because it was hers. And then she found out it wasn't. No worries, he says he doesn't care. But other people do, and Dany recognizes that. She sees the way the northerners and the wildlings rally behind him. She sees Varys switch his loyalty. And she worries the people of Westeros will do the same. Why choose her when Jon has a better claim and grew up there? In my opinion Jon's heritage is the leading reason she blew King's Landing apart.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Pyramid on May 20, 2019, 07:45:58 PM
So much for rhetorical. 


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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: angoradebs on May 20, 2019, 07:53:27 PM
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So much for rhetorical. 

Sorry, I missed that word in your original post. The Grey Worm question definitely wasn't rhetorical though. But I think he was speaking Valyrian in that scene, so maybe you just missed a subtitle. And, like I said, I wasn't sure what the Castle Black question was referring to but I thought it was genuinely something you were seeking clarification on.

I wasn't trying to be snarky. I just think the questions you brought up had completely valid answers.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: foxbatkllr on May 20, 2019, 08:37:13 PM
Fitting and satisfying finale, if a little underwhelming.  I wish we got more episodes but overall im happy with what we did get in season 8.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: rabbitwarren on May 21, 2019, 06:25:01 AM
I forget if the show ever touched upon Davos' backstory of how he smuggled food to Stannis during the rebellion and how Stannis, despite rewarding him, still had to cut off his fingers because he broke the law.  I see Jon's exile as the same thing.  They still had to punish him, even if only as a show to the remaining unsullied and dothraki.  And as far as the south was always concerned, the Nights Watch didn't really serve much of a purpose except as a convenient way to get rid of prisoners and needless offspring.  It was only the northerners who thought the nights watch actually did anything.  Think of the Nights Watch as a precursor to Siberia and the idea of living the rest of your life in some frozen tundra probably seemed like punishment for Grey Worm. 



 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 21, 2019, 12:43:31 PM
This may sound crazy, but Bran is the show’s version of Palpatine when you think about it. He knew he would be king, so he let everyone die to complete the mission. If we ever get a sequel that is ‘10 years later,’ he’ll probably be the villain. That smirk he had after leaving the Small Council; looking for Drogon. Why is he looking for that dragon? Control the creature but for what purpose? Good or bad? That’s all I will say here.

And don’t say he’s Dr. Strange and that he saw every possibility out there.  :P
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 21, 2019, 12:53:07 PM
But if Bran could control Drogon wouldn't that have saved a lot of trouble at King's Landing? A raven to Winterfell is all it would have taken...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 21, 2019, 01:02:44 PM
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But if Bran could control Drogon wouldn't that have saved a lot of trouble at King's Landing? A raven to Winterfell is all it would have taken...
Maybe Bran didn't have the power to control a dragon at that time? He wants to look for Drogon now to see if it is possible after ‘thinking for a bit’? Or he knew letting Dany go mad; Jon killing her later was probably the only way to become king. He knew his sisters wouldn’t be an issue. Overall, if Bran can see the future, I truly believe he was manipulating everyone in order to become king.

It is crazy to think this but I wish we knew more about Bran’s powers. What else can he do, you know?
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 21, 2019, 01:37:07 PM
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But if Bran could control Drogon wouldn't that have saved a lot of trouble at King's Landing? A raven to Winterfell is all it would have taken...

There are a lot of holes like this.  Bran's limitations on his powers are plot convenient.  Theoretically he'd know what's west of Westeros as well.  The books are a bit more specific on greenseer limitations, but we haven't gotten to the point of him become 3ER yet (if that happens) so we haven't really seen it play out.  It's hard to write a nearly omniscient character and I'm interested in seeing how GRRM balances it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 21, 2019, 02:22:43 PM
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/game-of-thrones-ending-if-bran-is-evil-everything-/1100-6467043/

“Game Of Thrones Ending: If Bran Is Evil, Everything Makes More Sense”

I guess I am not the only one thinking this.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 21, 2019, 03:50:04 PM
That's an interesting article and I can see how the theory is supported...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: DaveG on May 21, 2019, 07:25:39 PM
Much of what was in that article I proposed to my coworkers a week before the final episode.  I wasn't really being serious, but the more I let the thought sink in, it really would have been a brilliant story to have Bran turn out to be a master manipulator.  No, I don't really think that is what the showrunners or GRRM intend to be Bran's story, but I can actually buy into this story a lot more than many of the other character arcs.  Part of me wants to just go on believing this version.  It's not like they have any plans to continue the story and prove it wrong.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 21, 2019, 08:31:35 PM
The evil Bran fan theory does make season 8 look better, in my opinion.


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That's an interesting article and I can see how the theory is supported...
https://twitter.com/getfandom/status/1130974279615406080?s=21

Even Aaron Rodgers believes Bran is evil. Lol He also said he didn’t like the series finale so yeah.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 21, 2019, 08:33:17 PM
I think what makes this theory so appealing is that it actually explains things...
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Mario Wario on May 21, 2019, 08:37:00 PM
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I think what makes this theory so appealing is that it actually explains things...
Exactly! It does.  :-X
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Darth_Primus on May 22, 2019, 09:04:45 AM
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Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 22, 2019, 09:27:34 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qVgb4vZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: NCDS on May 22, 2019, 09:29:52 AM
Just remember if they didn't tell us we get to make it up!  That can be more fun than them telling us. 
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: AzT on May 22, 2019, 02:26:47 PM
https://youtu.be/vmFfvrhdlAM

From https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-sequel-is-not-an-option-hbo-series-finale-1212749

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George R.R. Martin has said there are three prequels still in the mix, two in the script stage and the third a pilot to be filmed this summer. Is that accurate? Can you clarify which are the two scripts that are still active? (Bryan Cogman has said his prequel script is dead.)

I am not clarifying anything other than yes, we shoot the first pilot in June. There are two more in development and beyond that, there's nothing else to report.

You've got the pilot and two other scripts in the works. What plans do you have at the moment to put other projects into development? Or are you waiting to see what happens with the other two scripts?

There are no plans currently to put anything more in development. We're not actively looking or going beyond what we've got in the current pilot.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 22, 2019, 02:57:23 PM
They're being rather cagey with their pre/sequel info.  Wonder what the marketing reason is for that?  My mind always goes to "maybe they'll announce more at SDCC!" But maybe not this time.  Maybe they want to give the original series a chance to breathe on it's own before introducing something else.  But I could also see a marketer wanting to ride the coat tails of the already popular series, so who knows.

Anyway, I look forward to more.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: rabbitwarren on May 23, 2019, 09:11:38 AM
Gwendoline Christie actually predicted Bran

https://www.gamesradar.com/shocked-by-the-new-game-of-thrones-king-gwendoline-christie-wasnt-she-secretly-predicted-it-years-ago/
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Angel_ on May 23, 2019, 10:07:48 AM
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Gwendoline Christie actually predicted Bran

https://www.gamesradar.com/shocked-by-the-new-game-of-thrones-king-gwendoline-christie-wasnt-she-secretly-predicted-it-years-ago/

And Nikolaj responded that it made no sense hahaha.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 26, 2019, 06:04:53 PM
It's been a week, feels longer.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Transmute Jun on May 26, 2019, 08:29:55 PM
Is it just me, or was the special tonight a snoozefest? There were a couple of interesting moments, but most of it was dull....
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Post by: angoradebs on May 26, 2019, 08:38:58 PM
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Is it just me, or was the special tonight a snoozefest? There were a couple of interesting moments, but most of it was dull....

Disagree completely! It was basically a love letter to the crew and I adored it. It reminded me of all the special features on the LOTR extended editions. I love watching all that behind the scenes stuff. Everyone works so hard, and it was great to see them acknowledged and celebrated. The only thing I didn't like was the foul mouthed location manager. I have a tendency to throw f-bombs around myself, but it was like every other word with her!

Also loved following that one extra around. He had such love for the show and just seemed so happy to be part of it.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 26, 2019, 11:35:21 PM
I liked it as well.  I like things like this.  I also liked the behind the scenes they did every week.

I think it's good to show people what it's like to be in a production.  People dream that every moment is like a moment out of the finished show.  It's a job not that different from many other jobs.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: DaveG on May 27, 2019, 04:32:34 AM
I thought it was really wonderful that they gave some air time to the unsung heroes of the show.  Their love for what they did really showed.  Some of the reactions during the table reads were also very touching and cool.

But yeah, I have to confess that I actually did fall asleep about halfway through.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: debster on May 27, 2019, 08:16:17 AM
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Is it just me, or was the special tonight a snoozefest? There were a couple of interesting moments, but most of it was dull....

I agree, I thought it was boring. Even if they didn’t have the access to all the main actors, I would have liked to spend time with more of a variety of the behind the scenes people - how did the costumes vary for the main characters as the seasons went by and why? How did the weapons people pick the weapons for each group of people? Let’s follow a production assistant all day to see what he/she does! Let’s sit on in for part of a production meeting to see how all the departments interact! Let’s go to the sound people or the visual effects people or the composer working after the episodes are done to see what happens in post production! Instead we spent far too much time on the food truck lady and the snow guy (I liked them, I just thought we spent way too much time with each person and it got repetitive).
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: chocolateshake on May 27, 2019, 10:44:57 PM
My favorite part of it was Del the Emmy award winning snow sprinkler.  I didn't realize that the production was so specialized that they had a guy who's job was to sprinkle snow.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: lborgia88 on May 28, 2019, 10:28:06 AM
I was amused by their use of Leonard Cohen's song, "You Want it Darker" -like they knew that they'd made it too hard to see what was going on during the Battle of Winterfell.   :D
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: Chris on June 08, 2019, 03:03:10 PM
I'm marathoning from the beginning again and it is definitely very interesting how the perspectives change now that we know know how all their stories end in the show.

Also, very few characters from the first season aren't even alive by the 8th.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: TossedSalad on June 09, 2019, 10:46:21 AM
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I'm marathoning from the beginning again and it is definitely very interesting how the perspectives change now that we know know how all their stories end in the show.

Also, very few characters from the first season aren't even alive by the 8th.

Yeah I’ve been rewatching as well since I convinced my wife to watch it. It’s been a different process indeed. Especially with binge watching.
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: AzT on June 13, 2019, 09:18:49 PM
https://youtu.be/NZta28cFU3w
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: AzT on June 26, 2019, 09:43:07 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/this-33-disc-game-of-thrones-complete-box-set-is-gorgeo-1835889225

https://youtu.be/MZUG2Miya-0

https://youtu.be/IS0fSCPz1EE
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: AzT on August 18, 2019, 01:01:20 PM
Many an insight about GRRM's relationship with the Game of Thrones TV series, from https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/aug/18/george-rr-martin-interview-game-of-thrones-at-own-pace-now

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“There were a couple of years where, if I could have finished the book, I could have stayed ahead of the show for another couple of years, and the stress was enormous,” he says. “I don’t think it was very good for me, because the very thing that should have speeded me up actually slowed me down. Every day I sat down to write and even if I had a good day – and a good day for me is three or four pages – I’d feel terrible because I’d be thinking: ‘My God, I have to finish the book. I’ve only written four pages when I should have written 40.’ But having the show finish is freeing, because I’m at my own pace now. I have good days and I have bad days and the stress is far less, although it’s still there… I’m sure that when I finish A Dream of Spring you’ll have to tether me to the Earth.”
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: rabbitwarren on October 29, 2019, 12:45:14 PM
The Naomi Watts Game of Thrones Prequel Pilot is not moving forward

https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/29/game-of-thrones-prequel-2/?utm_campaign=entertainmentweekly_entertainmentweekly&utm_term=3EAB36C0-FA7F-11E9-94EC-49A6923C408C&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link&fbclid=IwAR3f9HM6lJ-aZrLCX6gUCFePk2zzGG6yOZVB1HjarUCLu0Wbg6sfoce6-JE
Title: Re: Game of Thrones, the Final Season **Spoilers**
Post by: rabbitwarren on October 30, 2019, 03:50:58 AM
On the other hand, the Targaryen storyline is moving forward.

https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/29/game-of-thrones-targaryen-prequel-ordered-hbo/