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I don't think anyone really thinks that the anti-maskers will suddenly become vaxxers. If they think it's a hoax and thus they don't wear a mask, why would they get a shot? There are also no plans to enforce masking for the unvaccinated. Walmart flat out says that it's not even going to ask. It's the honor system. The anti-maskers have already shown they aren't honorable. They didn't wear a mask when they got flack for it, why would they wear a mask now that they've won?Which is the point. We've been working up to this for a while now. The talk of herd immunity has faded. It's been replaced with covid being endemic. What the CDC did yesterday was not a declaration of victory. It was giving up. For the most part, the people who are willing to get vaccinated have been vaccinated. Most of the remaining aren't willing. Nothing's going to change that. There have been enough studies done, including on the variants, to conclude that the vaccines work well enough. The vaccinated have a high degree of protection. So we'll have two populations in the US. The vaccinated and the infected. It's up to each person to decide which group they want to be in. Personally, I'm going to keep masking in public for the foreseeable future. No variant has yet to reduce the effectiveness of that. Which is as effective as any vaccine.
It's laughable to think that non-vaccinated people will continue wearing masks if vaccinated people don't have to. Most of the anti-vaxxers are anti-mask anyway. If the CDC thinks the variants are harmless for the vaccinated, I guess we'll see.
Which is the same pretty much everywhere right now. The exception being federal land. The way it works is the states consider the federal recommendations and then issue their own. Then counties issue theirs based on the state's. Normally this takes a few days. In California though, we may just wait until June 15th since the state was already scheduled to drop pretty much all restrictions on that date anyways. Businesses would appreciate it since many have already expressed concern about the quickness of the policy change. Many have said that they will continue to have their own mask requirements for a while. They could use the cover. Although at my Target the big public safety notice posted out front now is about the prohibition on Pokemon cards.The study came out a while ago. I've talked about it before. It was a study following thousands of vaccinated health care workers.The irony is that yesterday when the CDC announced this new policy, the Yankees announced that 8 members of the team who had been vaccinated tested positive for covid. Breakthroughs are thought to be rare. But having so many people in a small bubble taking precautions seem to show otherwise. My guess is that breakthroughs are common. It's just that testing is down overall but testing is pretty non-existent among vaccinated people so we don't know. The Yankees routinely test so that's why they found it. Even though they test positive, they either have no symptoms or very mild symptoms so their viral load is probably not enough for them to be spreaders. Which is what the CDC concluded yesterday. Even if someone vaccinated catches covid, they probably won't be able to spread it.
BUT, here's the thing:it's been said all along that masks aren't for the wearer to not get sick,
BUT, here's the thing:it's been said all along that masks aren't for the wearer to not get sick, they're mainly for the wearer to protect those they come in contact with from getting germs. As someone fully vaccinated that knows it's a statistical anomaly that I'll get COVID, I have no problem if some idiot anti-vaxxer/anti-masker takes the risks and gets COVID. I'll wear a mask indoors when I can't socially distance (and as per CA Department of Public Health orders every moment I'm on my campus at work) mostly because I enjoyed not getting a cold the last 14 months & out of respect for immunosuppressant folks & under 12 kids. But I'm personally not going to lose sleep at this point over anti-science yahoos who don't want to get a vaccine. I've had convos with some in public (one telling me they refuse to get a vaccine because they don't trust it and are careful about what they put in their body: as they smoked unfiltered cigarettes) and they're mostly flat-out dumb - a lot of the same idiots who are hoarding gas and not understanding that the gas prices are rising NOT because of any shortage, but because of demand - because people are stocking up on gas just as stupidly as they stocked up on toilet paper last spring! The science currently is pretty clear about how awesome the vaccine protects us from getting seriously ill & there's no reason for vaccinated people to likely need to wear mask at all times in public. Those who want to risk their health out of stubbornness have the right to be stupid and will act accordingly
BUT, here's the thing:it's been said all along that masks aren't for the wearer to not get sick, they're mainly for the wearer to protect those they come in contact with from getting germs.
I'll keep masking indoors. Don't want to be among the first vaccinated people here to catch a variant.I don't know who at the CDC is dreaming that this new announcement will encourage anyone to get a vaccine. My only hope is that some of those people are contrarians. Maybe if the CDC says they have to stop wearing masks, they'll start wearing them to protect their right to wear them.
I haven't been keeping up with this thread, but some general thoughts:--I'm concerned that some people will treat the vaccine as something that makes them invulnerable which it won't. It reduces odds but people will still get the virus--We don't know how long vaccines will work or if new variants might not be covered--Masks are an inconvenience, but in the light of a global viral pandemic, its a small inconvenience--We're all tired of this new norm but a virus doesn't get tired or care that we're tired--While the odds are reduced by the vaccine, there is still a risk of death, hospitalization, huge hospital bills, or long term covid impacts. While the vaccine seems to be doing well against current variants its efficacy against new variants is not known.All that being said, I'm wearing a mask until it is definitely safe to not to.