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Agreed. People who never intended to get vaccinated didn't change their minds just so they could stop wearing masks. They mostly just stopped wearing masks anyway and were glad nobody yelled at them anymore.
At first I was surprised that so many people still wore masks after the mandate ended. That's gone now. I was in Walmart the other day and including myself, there were only 3 of us wearing masks.
True. So, my question is this: how would you get more people vaccinated without going to the extremes to do so? We can all complain all we want, but what is the best course of action to take?
True. So, my question is this: how would you get more people vaccinated without going to the extremes to do so? We can all complain all we want, but what is the best course of action to take? Lastly, here’s a counterargument to what LA County is doing to get the brain juices flowing: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login———-Speaking of the WHO and something different: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login“WHO chief says it was ‘premature’ to rule out COVID lab leak“
True. So, my question is this: how would you get more people vaccinated without going to the extremes to do so? We can all complain all we want, but what is the best course of action to take? Lastly, here’s a counterargument to what LA County is doing to get the brain juices flowing: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Why is switching to a stick an "extreme"? Living in society has rules. Violating those rules have consequences. Why should masking and vaccinations be any different? Both in terms of masking and vaccinations, we have been treating the unwilling with kid gloves. I think it's time for that to stop. It hasn't worked. Even though there is precedent in the US for the government requiring everyone to be vaccinated. Personally, I would shy away from that. At an employer-employee level, it's common. There are all types of jobs where people are required to be vaccinated. At the last place I worked during flu season, everyone had two choices. Get vaccinated or wear a mask. I guess they had a third choice of finding somewhere else to work. In schools, that's how polio and measles were defeated. Every student was required to be vaccinated. Unfortunately we have pulled back from that and now measles is making a come back.Other countries have dealt with it to good effect by using vaccine passports. Unless you are vaccinated or otherwise have immunity you can't stay at hotels, you can't shop at stores, you can't go to the movies, you can't eat at restaurants. In some places it's mandated by the government, in others it's being required by individual businesses. It's worked.As for masking, there are laws people abide by everyday that have the same level of personal freedom taken away. Some people don't like to wear clothes. If they walked around naked in public in much of the US, I don't think it would go over very well. People are required to wear seat belts in most areas. There are helmet laws for people riding bikes and motorcycles. Living in any society is about having your personal freedom governed. Why is masking any different?The largest union of nurses in the US is openly calling for the CDC to reinstate universal mask wearing.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginEvery country so far that thought they had reached herd immunity, declared victory and dropped precautions has regretted it when their cases spiked again. I don't know why we thought we would be any different. Those countries have acknowledged their mistake, reversed course and reinstated precautions.
The problem with masking mandates, IMO, is that people didn't wear them anyway. We already had the LA Sheriff this am say he wouldn't enforce the mandate because he didn't believe in the science of it. Mandates are only as strong as their enforcement, and in the mask mandates, many municipalities in my neck of the woods in SoCA did not enforce them and left them up to the minimum wage employees to deal with the insufferable Karens.with COVID
I'm 100% with you that we need to take the kid gloves off & the vaccination passports are the only logical step. Want to go to a restaurant? Vaccination passport required. Want to go see the Dodgers? Vaccination passport. Want to enter an airport? Vaccination passport. Foo Fighters concert at the Forum (which was postponed because a member of the FF team has COVID BTW)? Vaccination passport. Like, literally make everything fun that people want to do require a Vaccination Passport. Of course, I have no idea the legalities of that. Unfortunately, I suspect COVID will follow the all-too-familiar course of American preventable tragedies: massive gun violence, opioid OD's, homelessness, climate crisis, etc. It'll just become normalized until it spins wildly out of control and then...I actually dunno what the end game is with this one. We've failed as a species caring about our planet, I don't see us doing much better with COVID
The problem is, the more you go hardcore in whatever you are trying to enforce, the more likely people will become more defiant. Think like having a teenager who will rebel the more you try to discipline them. Overall, we humans just love breaking rules and will do whatever it takes to be defiant. It is not just in the US.
Perhaps sharing more stories of those who were against vaccines 24/7 to later regret not getting vaccinated before getting COVID-19 might help the campaign in getting more vaccinated? Try to make it hit home better?
I think this part fits well in the ‘extreme’ topic. What you listed there probably wouldn’t do well in court
Hi Forum! Checking in after a long time away. Went to SDCC 2012-2019. Taking baby steps back into SDCC world - like many of you it's been a helluva pandemic. I was laid off April 2020, haven't been working since. A few of you may remember my son Will, he attended SDCC with Kelly and I in 2015. Last Nov. he was diagnosed with Stage IV kidney cancer. They removed a large bump from the back of his head which had broken through his skull - it was a cancer tumor which contained kidney cells. Now has a plate as the back of his head but the little bit of hair he has covers it. Large tumor on kidney, tumors in liver and spine. He is 28yrs old and is not expected to live past this year but we all keep hoping he has more time. Thank you to all the Forum members who were so kind to him when you met him. SDCC was an amazing experience for him. I'm trying to reconnect with others but I'm living in such a dark vortex it's hard to remember how to be with people so I'll just say Hello and I guess I'm hoping to rejoin the community...Awkwardly, which is how I do most things.
That can be said of any law. I have a car that can go 140MPH, why shouldn't I have the personal freedom to drive 140MPH? Are traffic laws extreme? Should we drop all traffic laws and just ask people to be good? Why are mask laws any different?
Seriously; mandatory seatbelts to me always felt like a repressive mandate against my right to chose what _I_ want to do in a way that impacts only _me_. Same with helmet laws for motorcyclists.And yet it's been the law of the land since I was in elementary school, and I put my seatbelt on every time I get in the car w/out thinking about it. When I rode a motorcycle I _always_ wore a helmet (and a full one that covered/protected by face). Why? Partially because I'm mature enough to know what's good to do; partially because the fines for getting pulled over w/out a seatbelt = an expensive fine (or at least, more expensive than I care to pay).Actual laws that are enforced are great deterrents for most. "Extreme" measures for those stupid enough to deny science and endanger the rest of society would likely be a deterrent for many of those folks as well; the alternative is they're screwing the rest of us by not letting us return to a sense of normal. I'm tired of catering to the stubborn a-hole variants of society who have shown they have no interests in wearing a mask nor vaccinating: I'm all for turning the screw on them and bringing many of them up to speed with the rest of intelligent society.