I've been attending SDCC since 2008 and watched the popularity of the convention absolutely skyrocket with the addition of Hollywood.
Every year though, it seems more studios/companies/productions pull out of SDCC. With Marvel not doing a Hall H panel this year, it go me thinking.
Has SDCC started its descent in popularity/relevance?
Most major movie studios have abandoned SDCC, the freebies/handouts have decreased both in quantity and quality, Disney chooses to showcase almost all of their stuff at D23 now and continues to gobble up more entertainment, Lionsgate pulled out of the deal with Comic-Con HQ, Nerd HQ is no more, Conival has decreased in scope and size, and the general craziness/fervor just seems less now.
What do you think? Am I crazy?
The place is packed and it feels like there are practically overnight lines for stale nachos, much less any decent panels. I just don't feel like the crowds are going away...mmm...nachos... :)
I've been wondering the same thing, especially with Disney using D23 for their projects.
You are not crazy.
CCI peaked in attendance and relevancy a few years ago. It is in a slow "decline", if that's the right word, in terms of the industry and it's importance. The crowds aren't going anywhere but it is a different type of crowd.
For the movie industry, some of it dates back to Scott Pilgrim. It was extremely hyped at comic con but withered at the box office. Others like Cowboys Vs Aliens demonstrated that screaming comic con crowds do not translate into ticket sales.
Now, with the media conglomerates, they can have their own conventions and control everything from venue to media.
To be continued...
I know I am going on and on, but bert's post has caused me to express what I have noticed in the past 15 years.You should just go edit a post. We are not supposed to make multiple posts in a row.
I remember when to registration was all on paper and if you registered for the next year, it was $35.
...The big trend is people living minimal lifestyles, so they don’t want things. They instead want “experiences”.
[member=448]rabbitwarren[/member] - very interesting. Is this trend appearing more in younger people or across the age spectrum?I’m 61. This will be my 10th SDCC. I’ve attended just a few other cons, like WonderCon this year. I’m a focus group of one, but as an “old guy” I’m definitely more interested in experiences than “stuff.”
[member=448]rabbitwarren[/member] - very interesting. Is this trend appearing more in younger people or across the age spectrum?
More the younger spectrum.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/shoppers-are-choosing-experiences-over-stuff-and-thats-bad-news-for-retailers/2016/01/07/eaa80b5a-b4a7-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.500f07855c54
I've been attending SDCC since 2008 and watched the popularity of the convention absolutely skyrocket with the addition of Hollywood.
Every year though, it seems more studios/companies/productions pull out of SDCC. With Marvel not doing a Hall H panel this year, it go me thinking.
Has SDCC started its descent in popularity/relevance?
Most major movie studios have abandoned SDCC, the freebies/handouts have decreased both in quantity and quality, Disney chooses to showcase almost all of their stuff at D23 now and continues to gobble up more entertainment, Lionsgate pulled out of the deal with Comic-Con HQ, Nerd HQ is no more, Conival has decreased in scope and size, and the general craziness/fervor just seems less now.
What do you think? Am I crazy?
I too will always go. I could care less if Marvel is there. If that's the only reason some people go, those are weird priorities in my mind. Every turn, every nook, every cranny holds something truly delightful at SDCC. Hall H is really the least of it for me, up until last year, I'd never done the Hall H line or been in it other than a Sunday!
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The place is packed and it feels like there are practically overnight lines for stale nachos, much less any decent panels. I just don't feel like the crowds are going away...
What Mel and TJ said—both posts perfectly sums up what I wanted to say. Unless something weird happens, SDCC will be fine and be crowded each year.100% agree.
I've been going since before the big Hollywood panels and will go after they have gone (if they do). :)When would that've been? I mean, the original Star Wars had a Comic-Con panel in 1975. You mean pre-Hall H shenanigans?
You are not crazy.No, the attendance has eclipsed the max. attendance, with still literally hundreds of thousands trying and failing to score a badge. Attendance is very healthy and has been for well over a decade.
CCI peaked in attendance and relevancy a few years ago. It is in a slow "decline", if that's the right word, in terms of the industry and it's importance. The crowds aren't going anywhere but it is a different type of crowd.
For the movie industry, some of it dates back to Scott Pilgrim. It was extremely hyped at comic con but withered at the box office. Others like Cowboys Vs Aliens demonstrated that screaming comic con crowds do not translate into ticket sales.
Now, with the media conglomerates, they can have their own conventions and control everything from venue to media.
To be continued...
Once upon a con, exclusives where just that, a small number of items exclusive to comic con. Then, when vendors saw that people where throwing all kinds of cash at them, everyone has not just one, but multiple exclusives now. How long is the list now?Ha; the offsite events are alive and strong: I'd say last year's offsite events were not only the biggest ever, but were the best quality. West World, Blade Runner: all GOAT (so far) offsites. Part of what I've heard around town is that there are SO MANY requests for offsite that a) it's hard to find appropriate space and b) it can get WAY expensive with locals knowing they can charge a major Hollywood studio BANK to use their warehouse or business for a week and a half.
And in many instances, you can buy the same item later at another convention or online. Legos and funkos still draw big numbers but the flipper market has contracted.
Other areas of contraction, which others have noted are:
The demise of Nerd HQ.
The demise of the Alter-con (what was the name?)
The demise of Nerdist events. No more nerdist live. Like the studios, the return wasn't worth the investment.
The demise of large offsite exhibits (Godzilla) and storefronts (king of nerds cereal bar, practical jokers, etc.).
Only Snoopy hangs on.
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I know it's not a good measure, but right now, the only 2 hotels available on Onpeak are the Hampton Inn and Dana. Last year, I logged in at various times and saw plenty of other Mission Valley Hotels available.
The city is happy because there are those paying over $500 a night for rooms. But more and more of this spending does not benefit CCI.
Exactly, attendance peaked years ago. It hasn't eclipsed, it's plateaud. It can't get any bigger because the venue can't get any bigger. The crowds are bigger as the number of looky-loos has gone up significantly. Go see how many sites tell you how to hack comic-con. That is why the promo off sites are "huge". CCI had a chance to have a massive event of 200,00-250,000 attendees, but now it's stuck. The city is happy because there are those paying over $500 a night for rooms. But more and more of this spending does not benefit CCI.
Walking the Exhibit Hall on Saturday will make anyone hope for a day when SDCC becomes unpopular.
If Marvel pulled their booth offsite at SDCC, that would free up most of the unpopular congestion inside the Hall. DC Comics, lately, created pop up signing booths at other shows, so maybe that'll be a possibility this year?
I think SDCC’s popularity amoung local SD residents without badges grows every year, especially with all the great off sites. Last year, Saturday was completely insane. So. Many. People.It wasn't long ago where there were a lot of homeless people & families having fun with offsite events. The year of the giant Homer head/movie for the big anniversary, and some of the adult swim stuff that was by Petco (w/the Meatwad theater and the giant bounce house) I chatted it up quite a bit with some various homeless people who were having Comic-Con fun like the rest of us. The local papers here obviously make a huge deal about Comic-Con throughout July, and I know a lot of people who would never pay money or be interested in Comic-Con but like to go downtown and people watch and do other stuff
Has SDCC started its descent in popularity/relevance?
I think also there are times when people need a break from whatever they are obsessing over and that includes comic con. Life gets in the way.
just gotta have set goals what u wanna do, or u be lost cause so much going on around u that u be loose track of ur goals at time.
Other events can help fill the gap...
I think also there are times when people need a break from whatever they are obsessing over and that includes comic con. Life gets in the way.Yeah, that's probably true. SD Comic-Con is my home-town comic convention, and I still love it. I don't obsess much about it, and I'm at a point now that after 19 years if I don't get lucky w/#20 or beyond I won't be too devastated; I've had a nice run, and saw a TON of great things. I've never been to any other convention except for San Diego Comic-Con (and WonderCon) so I think I'm pretty spoiled with everything else. I'll go to D23 one of these years, and if SW Celebration makes it back to Anaheim (or San Diego) I'll go to that but I don't foresee me going to any other Cons, with maybe the exception of NYCC if I ever change jobs/careers and can take the time off.
Right now, I can see myself going every year because I have more vacation days than I know what to do with. Had I been at a place where I only had 10 days, then there might be some off years, because there are other places I want to explore. I’m also single and have no kids so it’s only really me I have to consider when I decide where I want to go and how I want to spend my money.
When would that've been? I mean, the original Star Wars had a Comic-Con panel in 1975. You mean pre-Hall H shenanigans?
Not sure if it's more or less popular, but it is definitely more well known. Ten years ago if I told a coworker I was going to SDCC I'd have to explain what it was. Now, just about everyone who knows I'm going wants to talk about it and they at least know a little bit about what its about. So it has sort of become part of our mainstream culture.[member=737]DaveG[/member] - Yes. I guess we can thank 'The Big Bang Theory' for some of that expanded awareness. Good thing/bad thing? Maybe that is a whole other discussion..lol
it's funny...I don't even say SanDiego.... people just assume it is that one when I say I'm going to comic con
it's funny...I don't even say SanDiego.... people just assume it is that one when I say I'm going to comic con
[member=737]DaveG[/member] - Yes. I guess we can thank 'The Big Bang Theory' for some of that expanded awareness. Good thing/bad thing? Maybe that is a whole other discussion..lol
Totally agree. Big Bang does a free add for Comic Con (implied San Diego) by mentioning it roughly twice a season.I think it was Bakersfield Comic-Con. When they dressed as Star Trek characters and got robbed. Don't get me started on a BBT rant (although, I still watch it, only because of Sheldon) I am still salty about Amy ruining Raiders of the Lost Ark for Sheldon. Who does that? He clearly loves the movie. Just mean. And Penny thinks Star Wars and Star Trek are the same thing...
Chris' opinion only and directed at BBT, not directed at [member=737]DaveG[/member] :
I thought it was a good thing at first, but I think it's a bad thing now in my opinion.
They set unrealistic expectations like "This is the sketch that I got Jim Lee to draw for me at Comic Con." (Full body sketch of a Thundercat with Leonard's face.) Trust me--it is not that easy to get a Jim Lee sketch--particularly a fully rendered body sketch.
I also didn't like when they said that "<City name here that I can't remember> is more like what San Diego was before they went mainstream." BBT is a big part of the reason that SDCC went mainstream in my opinion.
I plastered "in my opinion" all over this as this is a bit of a rant (not at you [member=737]DaveG[/member], but rather a rant at BBT) and my opinion only--not documented facts.
I am still salty about Amy ruining Raiders of the Lost Ark for Sheldon.
I think it was Bakersfield Comic-Con. When they dressed as Star Trek characters and got robbed. Don't get me started on a BBT rant (although, I still watch it, only because of Sheldon) I am still salty about Amy ruining Raiders of the Lost Ark for Sheldon. Who does that? He clearly loves the movie. Just mean. And Penny thinks Star Wars and Star Trek are the same thing...
The episode for Comic-Con this season was them "outgrowing" it. WTH? I still love Sheldon's response: "Nuts to that, I'm going to Comic-Con" (possibly paraphrased)
Did they mentioned Bakersfield in that episode? I though they were headed to San Diego from Pasadena (CalTech) on either the 15 or 215 through the Inland Empire.The episode name was called The Bakersfield Expedition, so it was even in the episode title.
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Don't get me started on a BBT rant (although, I still watch it, only because of Sheldon) I am still salty about Amy ruining Raiders of the Lost Ark for Sheldon.There was an ep. of that show (which I am really really not a fan of) where they were waiting for some "director's cut" of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. Now, I'm not only a huge movie fan but especially that of RAIDERS. I'm very well aware there is no other cut of RAIDERS, so I was automatically eye-rolling at the top of the ep. But they were in line talking about 'deleted scenes' put back in, and it was completely maid up nonsense. There are actually a myriad of deleted scenes and concepts from that film that a very simple google search would've accomplished. But no: they went with BS.
I find myself wondering (Don't read if you haven't seen Infinity Wars)That is hilarious! Er, I mean very sad.Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
I find myself wondering (Don't read if you haven't seen Infinity Wars)If so likely only for 2019, then back to status quo :PSorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
I find myself wondering (Don't read if you haven't seen Infinity Wars)Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
Marvel also didn’t have a panel or even a booth at WonderCon. Their only presence I can remember was a SHEILD panel without Clark Gregg.Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
Marvel also didn’t have a panel or even a booth at WonderCon. Their only presence I can remember was a SHEILD panel without Clark Gregg.No BOOTH?!?!?! Wow; that seems weird
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Marvel also didn’t have a panel or even a booth at WonderCon. Their only presence I can remember was a SHEILD panel without Clark Gregg.
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I think the floor plan gets released in June. One of my fav milestones!Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
Uhhh when do we get the floorplan for SDCC 2018. They must have a booth at SDCC, right? I'm not even big into the exhibit hall, but I can't imagine them not there.
I’m sure they’ll have a booth at SDCC.Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
Uhhh when do we get the floorplan for SDCC 2018. They must have a booth at SDCC, right? I'm not even big into the exhibit hall, but I can't imagine them not there.
Marvel also didn’t have a panel or even a booth at WonderCon. Their only presence I can remember was a SHEILD panel without Clark Gregg.
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Marvel almost never has a booth at WonderCon, so that's nothing out of the ordinary. At D23, yes they've had their own booth in past years. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this. As for SDCC, OF COURSE they'll have their booth! Regardless of whether they hold panels, Marvel will have their own booth. It is, after all, a comic book publisher as well as a movie studio. So even if they don't have any movies to push they can push their comics and Marvel merch. I'm a sucker for their pins and shirts.Kevin Feige confirmed that Marvel WILL have a floor presence at Comic-Con, but they’re “skipping the usual Hall H panel to let the dust settle from Infinity War.”
Kevin Feige confirmed that Marvel WILL have a floor presence at Comic-Con, but they’re “skipping the usual Hall H panel to let the dust settle from Infinity War.”
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I can't remember the exact quote so I'll trust you on that. I remember them saying they'd have "a presence," but don't remember them specifically saying it'd be on the floor. I automatically assumed (and hoped?) for an off site.The source is Kyle Buchanan on Twitter on 4/22/18, 6:29 PM.
The source is Kyle Buchanan on Twitter on 4/22/18, 6:29 PM.
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Thanks! Twitter is blocked at work so I can't look at it at the moment, but I'll trust you on this. :)I added to my post. You can find it on the FoCC blog.
I read somewhere that someone mention a 10 anniversary deal with marvel unless i wrong on that, so think have a booth to promote that some how. guessing with a mix of freebies / swag and by chance some stuff can maybe buy , but again just guessing.
Any idea where you heard this? I haven't seen anything about a 10 year anniversary event. I've seen stuff about them not having a panel and then the above mentioned floor presence. Would love to read your source if possible.
It was not an event really but at the booth that someone mention in the comments somewhere not exact sure who but was not event but guessing a booth promoting it.
I'm having a little trouble understanding this. What booth? At SDCC last year? You heard there was going to be a Marvel 10 year anniversary booth at last year's booth? Sorry, I just want to be sure I'm understanding your statement and it's just not clicking with me.
I checkd online and found this for some clear view of things i hope - https://marvelstudiosnews.com/2018/04/22/marvel-studios-will-not-have-a-hall-h-panel-at-sdcc-2018/
Well that's interesting. That almost indicates that there will be a panel of some kind, but just not in Hall H. Huh.
Guessing we gotta wait for schedule for more details about the panel and anything else.
I just hope that "10th anniversary materials" mean we can buy the "more than a fan" 10 years of Marvel Studios t-shirts and maybe some other swag with the MARVEL STUD10S logo, as we can't get them shipped to the UK.
Its already starting to get pretty pricey for kids
Like I came when Sunday tickets were half off for people 16 and under (so about $10).
I've been attending SDCC since 2008 and watched the popularity of the convention absolutely skyrocket with the addition of Hollywood.
Every year though, it seems more studios/companies/productions pull out of SDCC. With Marvel not doing a Hall H panel this year, it go me thinking.
Has SDCC started its descent in popularity/relevance?
Most major movie studios have abandoned SDCC, the freebies/handouts have decreased both in quantity and quality, Disney chooses to showcase almost all of their stuff at D23 now and continues to gobble up more entertainment, Lionsgate pulled out of the deal with Comic-Con HQ, Nerd HQ is no more, Conival has decreased in scope and size, and the general craziness/fervor just seems less now.
What do you think? Am I crazy?
At least from what I can see, every person with a semblance of nerd in them knows the name SDCC.. which is usually followed by a "I've always wanted to go" ;)
As long as that remains, I can't see it ever bending unless sdcc's content and exclusivity truly becomes widely accessible amongst other cons.
If not already mentioned before, i noticed this past months when volunteer chance opened that alot or many was tagging friends for a chance to do it since getting a reg badge was not easy. not sure how many of those tagged got in the door so to speak, but guessing they feel lucky to have a chance if got emails and made sure to check in to get all the forms need to turn in later. i was even told i was lucky to get in seeing how times have changed and know some who have done so before but decide to skip for any reason. i do the best i can to help and guess if they dont have to replace u or not gotta like lecture u any of any u do wrong then all is good. not exactly sure how they tell u that u cant volunteer anymore, but i really dont wanna be in the spot either. all i can do is follow the steps and do best i can on any job , but hope can do job i already know so they dont gotta keep training me for a new job every year or ea day.
Alot of mixed comments, but seeing how so many try go and miss a chance cause badge sell so fast that i saw alot people tagging others in a fb group last year and it was alot lol. i only discovered volunteer by checking the account and seeing volunteer tab and was thinking why not cause save u a bundle to help for a few ea day and still enjoy the event. not sure how many actually try for a badge and get mad and then try volunteer and get in by that way every year. i think anyone who not able get a badge by sales but by volunteer should be thankful and happy its another option so u not gotta just enjoy off sites every year but get to go in and check out stuff u want and get any free stuff by chance. not sure if to say the bubble burst but they do need more space however they are able to do so overtime. but i think offsite stuff or events helps to keep the center not so crowded at anytime to where u able to walk around in empty space at anytime cause everyone is downstairs, in a panel, or outside checking out stuff around the center.
I know they ask u if u wanted to at time u checkd in a while back, but guessing they send u email if they gave u a spot to work before the event. so guessing u have to wait for mail for any updates since they still busy with WonderCon news and all.
And then you start to explain how to get tickets and increase their odds and most decide it's too much effort ??? But they still totally wanna go!
Yeah, wheres the low cost/low effort/buy tickets and hotel the week before version that everyone dreams about ;)That was 2009 I think :) (I got MMM just by calling up and getting a sweet rate)
I don't think comic-con has pulled back or plateaued at all. I think it's expanding to meet more demand. Sunday used to be half day, now it's pretty much a full day. Also many offsites used to shutdown on Sunday and shutdown for the day around 5 or 6. Last year, some offsites were opened until 12am.
And then you start to explain how to get tickets and increase their odds and most decide it's too much effort ??? But they still totally wanna go!
Yup. Either that or they suddenly decide that they don't want to go to Comic-Con anyway because it has gotten way too big and/or is no longer about the comics. ::)
When was Sunday shorter than it is now? As far back as I can remember (~the past decade) Sunday has ended at 5 which is still a half day, except for the exhibit hall. I've also noticed that the mood in the Gaslamp changes very quickly Sunday night and has the last few years, although I'll defer to you about offsites since I generally don't go for those. Which offsites lasted until 12 on Sunday (or close to it) last year?
As far as offsites I highly disagree they are on the decline. As [member=380]perc2100[/member] mentioned I think last year had the greatest offsites ever. I didn't get to most of them (too popular) but we had Westworld, BladeRunner, GOT, Netflix, Walking Dead, Tech Expo, Rick & Morty and Impractical jokers at Petco, Adult Swim, FX area, plus tons and tons more.
I missed where people were saying that offsites are in decline. No way. Even if you spent every single day going to offsites, I don't think there's enough time to do them all. Not right anyways. For example, many people only did the first tiny bit of the Mr. Robot offsite. If you went all the way, it was a multi-hour investment.
The thing that is in decline, more than a decline a full stop, were what I call the mini comic-cons. Conival and NerdHQ were the big ones. There were a couple more in addition in 2016. They had panels with the celebrities but without the crowds. Conival in particular was standout since it was free and the celebs came either before or after their panels at the convention center. Sometimes even Hall H panels. It was super easy to get a selfie or an autograph. That all came to an end in 2017.
Thursday is a good offsite day. The locals are still working so that's not a factor. What is a 30 minute wait on Thursday can be a 4 hour wait on Saturday. I spent all Thursday last year doing offsites but only got to do 3. Blade runner, the Expanse and Mr. Robot. Blade runner was awesome. I spent a couple of hours in there. I was amongst the first to get in that morning. I had to wait an hour or two to get into the Expanse due to a critical error. I didn't realize I could have gotten out of Blade runner, walked about 20 feet and gone into the Expanse since they were both run by Alcon. The exit of Blade runner was an entrance into the Expanse. I went all the way to the front and stood in line. It was cool too. It was an escape room. I spent the rest of the day doing Mr. Robot. It took hours but it was worth it in the end. I don't think many people made it since it should have been a group of 4 per session but I was the only one in mine. Like the year before, they built a Mr. Robot set but this time you got to play out a scene from the show.
Yes, along with the quality of the experiences, offsites freebies, have actually gotten better than in-panel SDCC offerings.
In my opinion, that's the big difference between the offsites and comic-con proper. Comic-con is observational and the offsites are experiential. You go to panels at comic-con to be an audience. You do the offsites to participate. Watching a panel of say how they made the Blade runner set is one thing, being able to walk around in one is another. To this day, when I watch Mr. Robot, I have a physical memory of Elliot's apartment since I was in a duplicate of the set. It's just not a place I've seen on TV, it's a place I've been. That's a world of difference.
It seemed last year there were a lot more people around on Sunday than there were say 4-5 years ago. Back then around about 2pm it was pretty empty.
Dude, you're missing out. They are awesome. I was talking to someone about last year's comic-con the other day and spontaneously we both said that the Bladerunner offsite was the best thing about it. That was one of the late ones. They were still going at 10pm. I'm not sure how late they stayed to get everyone thorough that was in line. I was walking by and there was still quite a line. I could have sworn that some offsite went until midnight. That may have been the GoT one but you had to get in line 12 hours earlier for that. They vowed to stay open until everyone who waited made it through. In general many more offsites seemed to be around on Sunday and around later.
I probably am missing out, but it’s just so hard for me to justify the time commitment required for these — both the lines (I don’t do lines unless I get an entire’s day worth of programming worth going to in one room) & the ~hour round trip it takes to get across the street between the Convention Center and the Gaslamp, not to mention giving up all the programming inside that I’ve paid for. I’ve figured that if I don’t get all 4 days some year then I’ll try the offsites on the off days but of course Friday and Saturday are probably going to be the busiest for those as well. that But thanks for the tips about them lasting longer — I’ll definitely check things out Sunday night this year!
I’ll definitely check things out Sunday night this year!
Seeing how Wondercon did online lottery for panels and signings, it might happen with SDCC this year but no news of it till we read of anyone get emails to check in and choose what they wanna try for and hope u get something. so if this happens it may remove lines or shorten them some for this year. but time will tell.
I don't think any will be open at 10pm Sunday night. If that's going to happen, that will be on Friday and Saturday. Open late on Sunday is 5pm. I don't see how they can be open that late on Sunday since they have to be gone by Monday. Last year, there was a conference starting in the Marriot on Monday and late on Sunday afternoon they had already replaced some of the comic-con signage with that for the next conference. Even by Sunday night, many of the offsites will be gone. They break them down quickly.
I think that will change a lot of the atmosphere of comic-con. If I were an industry participant, I'm not sure I would like that. There's a lot to be said for rewarding the people who really want to be there. An online lottery makes it too easy. Some people would do it just to do it even if they have no intention of showing up. I think the spots should go to people who are willing to camp out overnight. Camping out overnight generates a lot of buzz that an online lottery does not. As marketing for a show, saying people got in by online lottery doesn't have the same buzz as getting in by camping out overnight.I was at WonderCon, and there were, as you said, a lot of no shows. They ended up doing a line anyway for standbys.
I think any effort would be better spent making sure that people don't cut in line and reward people who have put the time in versus an online lottery.
Oh ok. My original question was asking which offsites were open until 12 on Sunday (or at all after the con closed at 5) So when you mentioned offsites being open until 10-12 I thought you were referring to Sunday, but it turns out you were referring to Saturday instead. But, thanks for the clarification. :) Ah well, good to know but then if things go until midnight-ish on Friday and Saturday (both inside the con and out) but shut down cold at 5 on Sunday, then I’d still consider Sunday a half day. Also I guess still no offsites for me then.
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Getting back on-topic regarding the popularity of SDCC...Great find! As a university dean who has attended Comic-Con for the last 10 years and has been influenced in my decision making, particularly in my department of visual arts, this is a must read for me! Thanks for the tip!
Just out of curiosity, has anyone read or heard about Rob Salkowitz's book Comic-Con and the Business of Pop Culture: What the World’s Wildest Trade Show Can Tell Us About the Future of Entertainment?
(I just heard of it myself while I was searching away on Amazon, but I might be curious enough to read it, ha ha. XD)
There are a few pages of excerpts on the Amazon website as well, if anyone is interested in checking it out: https://www.amazon.com/Comic-Con-Business-Pop-Culture-Entertainment/dp/0071797025/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1333149284&sr=8-4 (https://www.amazon.com/Comic-Con-Business-Pop-Culture-Entertainment/dp/0071797025/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1333149284&sr=8-4)
Summary from Amazon:
HBO is out. Lot of no-shows at SDCC this year. I know most have stated that the reason they're skipping is either because of production schedules or nothing to show but I think we may be seeing the beginning of the end of the media behemoth SDCC is/was.I’m not panicking... yet.
I’m not panicking... yet.
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HBO is out. Lot of no-shows at SDCC this year. I know most have stated that the reason they're skipping is either because of production schedules or nothing to show but I think we may be seeing the beginning of the end of the media behemoth SDCC is/was.
Has there been any word whether Nathan Fillion will be promoting The Rookie at SDCC this year? It’s not a geek oriented show, but that didn’t stop ABC from promoting Castle at the Con in the past.
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GoT was always iffy this year because of the production schedule. Westworld is a disappointment though. However, one of the best SDCCs for me was 2011 when there was no Marvel and the Saturday Hall H highlight was Snow White and the Huntsmsn
I also think Netflix is likely to skip again this year for exactly the same reason.
I was always guessing that the last season of GOT would air at the end of the summer, making next year the big blow out. We’ll see, since we still don’t know the air date for it. I think this is year is a perfect storm of off-scheduling, with GOT and Westworld both not returning for a year plus. I also think Netflix is likely to skip again this year for exactly the same reason. And we already know that’s why Marvel isn’t coming. Hopefully cool stuff will take their places, and I bet next year is going to be the return of everything.
Seems like, at least up to this point, that most of the drop-outs will only be affecting Hall H... CCI is lots more than just Hall H (although I know that for a great many people Hall H is where it's it).
My concern is if hall H doesn't draw the big crowds that the exhibit hall will be more crowded. I am the only person who likes the Hall H lines because it take people off the floor. :)
My concern is if hall H doesn't draw the big crowds that the exhibit hall will be more crowded. I am the only person who likes the Hall H lines because it take people off the floor. :)I was just saying exactly this to my friend! I love Hall h having big events to keep 7000 plus people off the floor
Netflix isn't skipping. I got a press release this morning about Iron Fist. It will be there. Not sure about other properties, but at least one of their shows will be present. The press release was very vague, though, so I'm not sure what capacity it'll be there.
This is great to hear!!
I was just saying exactly this to my friend! I love Hall h having big events to keep 7000 plus people off the floorNot only does it affect the floor, but it has a cascade effect making Ballroom 20 almost impossible and crowding BCDF and down the line.
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I feel like everyone is getting too worked up. Things need to change year to year. We tend to get to thinking in here that once something is there one year it's gotta be every year. It's not true and has never been true. The Con needs change and new things need to come and go. I'm excited to see what's NEW rather than sit here and lament crap isn't the same every year. I'm no Chicken Little, the sky is still bright, blue and wide open.You speak the truth. Thanks for the reminder. Keep Calm and Comic-Con
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I feel like everyone is getting too worked up. Things need to change year to year. We tend to get to thinking in here that once something is there one year it's gotta be every year. It's not true and has never been true. The Con needs change and new things need to come and go. I'm excited to see what's NEW rather than sit here and lament crap isn't the same every year. I'm no Chicken Little, the sky is still bright, blue and wide open.Was thinking the same thing.
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Oh man I hadn't even thought of this. My fear was that the no shows in Hall H would make Hall H worse on the other days. Like less people on Saturday for MCU would mean more people on Friday for HBO. But now no HBO, maybe they'll all flock to Doctor Who. But... this could be a more accurate prediction yeah.
I've felt this way for years. For example, on Sunday even the comic book area is very difficult to walk around and my theory is because all the people in Hall H and Ballroom 20 and those waiting in line are out on the floor. Makes it very difficult to get around.
I guess I'm selfish, but people in hall H makes the show easier for me. :)
I also agree with Louis-rob -m that the show is sooooooooooooooo much more than hall H.
I've felt this way for years. For example, on Sunday even the comic book area is very difficult to walk around and my theory is because all the people in Hall H and Ballroom 20 and those waiting in line are out on the floor. Makes it very difficult to get around.I agree with this, the last couple of years on Sunday’s in artist alley there’s a lot of people and I always until last day to buy some art.
I guess I'm selfish, but people in hall H makes the show easier for me. :)
I also agree with Louis-rob -m that the show is sooooooooooooooo much more than hall H.