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NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« on: January 08, 2016, 02:30:26 AM »
There's a picture of how the new expansion will look like in the article. I like the idea. But I will be believe it when I see it. They had plan similar to this one years ago, before it got cut down to Javits center north building. The reason would be either they won't have money or someone will be against it.

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Almost from the day that the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center opened in 1986, exhibitors and hotel operators complained that the black glass complex along 11th Avenue in Manhattan was too small, too hard to navigate and perpetually damp from a leaky roof.

Successive New York governors, in turn, have announced their plans for a lavish expansion only to see them founder.

On Thursday, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo took another crack at it, unveiling a $1 billion expansion that would create more than one million square feet of event space and New York City’s largest ballroom at the six-block-long complex, which stretches from 34th to 40th Street. An airy glass addition at the northern end of the center would provide meeting rooms, new exhibition halls and outdoor space for conventioneers.

Under the plan, Javits North, a semipermanent structure currently anchoring the center’s 40th Street end, would eventually be demolished and replaced with a four-level garage for tractor-trailers bringing in displays and other equipment.

The Javits Center’s renovation was just the latest project announced by Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, in the lead-up to his State of the State speech next week. He has called for spending tens of billions on seven projects, including new airports, a Hudson River tunnel, upstate roads and bridges and a remake of Pennsylvania Station.

Some analysts contend that the convention business contributes little to the economy, as cities across the country discount fees to lure the same shows. But Mr. Cuomo promised that the Javits Center’s expansion to 3.3 million square feet - a more than 50 percent increase - would bring more trade shows, jobs and tax revenue to New York.

“The Javits Center has long been an economic generator for this state,” Mr. Cuomo said at a news conference at the center on Thursday. “But we want to build and expand it to ensure it remains a premier venue for the next generation.”

State officials said the center was exploring using “existing resources” and other public and private financing options to pay for the project. Real estate executives expect the center to sell two nearby parcels of land for about $1 billion, although state officials would not say whether that was part of the plan.

Some elected officials, the hotel workers’ union and the hotel association lauded the governor’s plan, which comes less than two years after the state completed a $463 million makeover of the convention center, which included the addition of Javits North.

Although Javits is not the nation’s largest convention center - that is McCormick Place, in Chicago - it is widely regarded as the busiest, with very little down time.

Most convention centers are publicly owned and do not make money. Instead, officials hope to attract out-of-town visitors who book hotel rooms, shop and eat in restaurants, generating jobs and tax revenue.

But Heywood T. Sanders, a professor of public administration at the University of Texas, San Antonio, says public investments in convention centers rarely live up to their promise.

“You’re competing in an incredibly overbuilt environment where cities are giving away their space for free,” said Professor Sanders, author of “Convention Center Follies: Politics, Power and Public Investment in American Cities.” “It’s almost impossible to get ahead.”

Mr. Sanders said convention and trade show attendance at the four major centers in the country - in Atlanta, Chicago, Las Vegas and Orlando - fell to 3.8 million in 2014, down by almost one million people since 2006.

The same thing is true, he said, at the Javits Center, where trade show and convention attendance in 2014 was 629,500, well below the 966,730 attendees in 2006.

In measuring performance, Professor Sanders does not count attendance at public shows, like the auto or boat shows, which generally attract attendees from the local area who do not book hotel rooms or go out to dinner at fancy restaurants.

State officials say the small amount of meeting-room space at the Javits Center has hampered its capability to attract larger, more profitable shows. The expansion, they say, will quintuple the amount of meeting-room and ballroom space. In addition, the center for the first time would have 500,000 square feet of contiguous exhibition space.

Events at the center in 2014 attracted more than two million visitors, counting both public shows and conventions and trade shows, state officials said.

The state canceled plans to nearly double the size of the Javits Center in 2008, after the projected cost swelled to $3 billion from $1.8 billion.

Mr. Cuomo’s proposal on Thursday was not his first stab at creating a larger convention center in the city. Four years ago almost to the day, Mr. Cuomo announced plans to build the nation’s largest convention center - 3.8 million square feet, or bigger than the Empire State Building - next to a casino in Queens. The proposal was greeted with groans from the city’s hotel and convention industry executives, who viewed the location as remote and unattractive to conventiongoers.

The proposal collapsed within six months.

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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 09:48:31 AM »
$1 Billion Expansion of Javits Center Announced by Governor Cuomo on comicsbeat.com

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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2016, 07:19:22 AM »
Ugh, the crowds when they were renovating the Javits a couple of years ago... Getting in was a nightmare.
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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2016, 09:06:21 PM »
there are conventions that happen twice a year in japan, that are comic-based, that host 400,000. more space is always welcome.

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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2016, 02:21:54 PM »
here is what happens at 400,000 attendees twice a year, with no expansion....   


i bet nycc could host 500,000 easy if it were to have the space. but even stadiums only have seating for 50,000 people. no walking room. a hard feat to engage. please be patient people.



edit. i dare you to watch this and not cringe.
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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 06:13:01 PM »
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here is what happens at 400,000 attendees twice a year, with no expansion....   

i bet nycc could host 500,000 easy if it were to have the space. but even stadiums only have seating for 50,000 people. no walking room. a hard feat to engage. please be patient people.

edit. i dare you to watch this and not cringe.

WOW! Quite a procession.

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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2016, 05:39:32 PM »
So it looks like they have approved the expansion? Or did I read that wrong? I wonder when it'll start and if it'll effect NYCC this year.

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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2016, 02:36:20 PM »
We will definitely need to keep an eye on this renovation.
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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2016, 06:58:42 AM »
Couple articles say NY Governor is rushing the start of expansion. Early stage construction to start this fall or late 2016:

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The state took a major step toward expanding the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center Tuesday-one of several infrastructure projects that Gov. Andrew Cuomo unveiled in January.

Cuomo announced that the state released a request for qualifications, which will allow officials to vet potential builders. Additionally, he said interested firms will be able to use a process called design-build, which the state says has reduced construction costs on a handful of Empire State projects, including the Tappan Zee Bridge.

"Javits is the busiest convention center in the nation-but we need to keep building and growing if we want to remain competitive, and that is exactly what we are doing," Cuomo said in a statement.

Responses are due May 10. The state will then start whittling the companies down to three finalists, which will be asked to submit their vision for the project.

Cuomo expects to select a developer by the end of the year, according to Tuesday’s announcement. The state said early-stage construction work will also begin in late 2016.

In his initial announcement, Cuomo also indicated that the $1 billion renovation and expansion would be paid for out of existing Javits resources, which he declined to specify. While the organization is still paying off debt from previous work and its operating revenue indicates it could never float a large enough bond to fund the work, Javits does own several choice parcels of real estate that could pay for the deal if sold.

Design-build is a construction technique where an architect and a contractor bid together on a project, rather than having the state first award design work and then separately bid out construction work. It aims to cut costs on major infrastructure projects, though to date it has only been used sparingly in New York compared with other parts of the country.



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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2016, 07:38:36 AM »
It would only make sense to wait until after a huge event like NYCC to begin the project.
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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2016, 10:52:58 AM »
Agreed. When they were renovating a few years ago, getting in and out of Javits during NYCC was a nightmare.
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Re: NYCC New Javits Center Expansion Plan
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2016, 05:27:53 PM »
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State takes next big step in $1 billion Javits expansion
Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Tuesday that New York is requesting builders' qualifications to do the project

The state took a major step toward expanding the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center Tuesday-one of several infrastructure projects that Gov. Andrew Cuomo unveiled in January.

Cuomo announced that the state released a request for qualifications, which will allow officials to vet potential builders. Additionally, he said interested firms will be able to use a process called design-build, which the state says has reduced construction costs on a handful of Empire State projects, including the Tappan Zee Bridge.

"Javits is the busiest convention center in the nation-but we need to keep building and growing if we want to remain competitive, and that is exactly what we are doing," Cuomo said in a statement.

Responses are due May 10. The state will then start whittling the companies down to three finalists, which will be asked to submit their vision for the project.

Cuomo expects to select a developer by the end of the year, according to Tuesday’s announcement. The state said early-stage construction work will also begin in late 2016.

In his initial announcement, Cuomo also indicated that the $1 billion renovation and expansion would be paid for out of existing Javits resources, which he declined to specify. While the organization is still paying off debt from previous work and its operating revenue indicates it could never float a large enough bond to fund the work, Javits does own several choice parcels of real estate that could pay for the deal if sold.

Design-build is a construction technique where an architect and a contractor bid together on a project, rather than having the state first award design work and then separately bid out construction work. It aims to cut costs on major infrastructure projects, though to date it has only been used sparingly in New York compared with other parts of the country.