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Comic-Con International => SDCC Housing, Parking, and Transportation => Topic started by: chocolateshake on March 05, 2019, 05:55:02 PM

Title: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: chocolateshake on March 05, 2019, 05:55:02 PM
It is now legal to live in a vehicle on the streets of San Diego.  What could be cheaper and more convenient than staying in your car?  Get a decent spot and you can be close to the convention center.  People have already put their vans on Airbnb.

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2019/mar/04/stringers-aibnb-vans-invade-san-diego-streets/
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: Angel_ on March 05, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
I've actually seen people do that before.  Though I guess the difference is that it was illegal then.  One guy I met said he slept in his car and showered at a 24 Hour Fitness.  Some nights he slept in Hall H line.  More power to people willing to do that.  I can't imagine more than a night without a bed.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: Virgo911 on March 05, 2019, 06:03:01 PM
I kinda just assumed this was already happening. CCI is expensive, and I'm sure people have slept in their cars for less...
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: vegasndn on March 05, 2019, 06:06:21 PM
I guess you could rent and park in one of the garages, curious how many vans will be on the streets in downtown. I don’t know man I think I’ll stick with a hotel.


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Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: chocolateshake on March 05, 2019, 06:33:19 PM
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I've actually seen people do that before.  Though I guess the difference is that it was illegal then.  One guy I met said he slept in his car and showered at a 24 Hour Fitness.  Some nights he slept in Hall H line.  More power to people willing to do that.  I can't imagine more than a night without a bed.

I use that 24 Hour Fitness as my locker during comic-con.  Exactly like how someone uses a locker in high school.

Sleeping in a vehicle doesn't have to be uncomfortable.  A lot of people do it.  Many out of necessity and some out of choice.  For them it's a lifestyle.  Vanlife is like a millennial version of the RV culture from the '50s.  There are so many videos of people showing off their urban campers on youtube.  They look like normal vans on the outside, inside they are tiny houses.  I have to admit, I've been toying with the idea of building one myself.

Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: JKingoftheNerds on March 05, 2019, 08:38:35 PM
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It is now legal to live in a vehicle on the streets of San Diego.  What could be cheaper and more convenient than staying in your car?  Get a decent spot and you can be close to the convention center.  People have already put their vans on Airbnb.

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2019/mar/04/stringers-aibnb-vans-invade-san-diego-streets/

Wowza, just the thought gives me minor anxiety. I honestly think I'd feel safer sleeping in the Hall H line every night, tbh. It's not obvious from my username but I'm a chick, so maybe I'd feel differently if I was a dude, but I don't think so. Still, more power to anyone who's down to do that--sleeping accommodations are always a stressful thing to work out at SDCC, and that's certainly one legit way to completely circumvent the Hotelpocalypse issue (and the cost issue).
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: Angel_ on March 05, 2019, 08:48:18 PM
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I use that 24 Hour Fitness as my locker during comic-con.  Exactly like how someone uses a locker in high school.

Sleeping in a vehicle doesn't have to be uncomfortable.  A lot of people do it.  Many out of necessity and some out of choice.  For them it's a lifestyle.  Vanlife is like a millennial version of the RV culture from the '50s.  There are so many videos of people showing off their urban campers on youtube.  They look like normal vans on the outside, inside they are tiny houses.  I have to admit, I've been toying with the idea of building one myself.

I mean fair.  To the people who have to do it out of necessity, I feel that. I have been homeless before.  I’ve slept on floors.  I have loads of sympathy. 

I feel like people who choose it, though, may be slightly different as they tend to make it comfortable.  Like a lot of these vans have mattresses.  My moms ex used to have a van with a bed in the back and we’d go camping in it all the time.  Felt just like a normal bed.  (And one time we woke up to a bear sniffing at our window SO MUCH FUN...  ANYWAY)




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Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: cire_raeb on March 06, 2019, 09:27:05 PM
No need to sleep  in your car during SDCC....put up a tent in the Hall H line in the evening.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: chocolateshake on March 06, 2019, 11:33:51 PM
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I mean fair.  To the people who have to do it out of necessity, I feel that. I have been homeless before.  I’ve slept on floors.  I have loads of sympathy.

Same.  The housing situation is out of control in California.  I don't know what it's like in the rest of the country.  People with middle class jobs living on the street and in their cars is a common sight here in California.  They can no longer afford housing.  That's not sustainable.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: marcia29 on March 13, 2019, 03:15:28 AM
I remember my first comic con, where I asked the taxi driver about housing costs and he sighed, " I paid $400,000 for my house and I live in a shack!".  At the time I thought he was joking.  He was not.   ???
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: geek_girlie on March 13, 2019, 05:57:39 AM
My friends and I jokingly debated that we should do this, since we end up sleeping and/or getting up way way early to get in line anyways. However, had no idea it was illegal (or use to be)!!   ???
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: cire_raeb on March 13, 2019, 06:14:37 AM
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My friends and I jokingly debated that we should do this, since we end up sleeping and/or getting up way way early to get in line anyways. However, had no idea it was illegal (or use to be)!!   ???

There are some nice luxary shacks (condos) in Mission Valley.  Thought about picking up a 2bed/2bsth as an investment.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: TardisMom on March 13, 2019, 09:14:43 AM
We have my dad in a tiny 650 sq ft condo in Pacific Beach, about 5 blocks from the ocean.  We paid $405k.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: chocolateshake on March 13, 2019, 02:28:55 PM
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I remember my first comic con, where I asked the taxi driver about housing costs and he sighed, " I paid $400,000 for my house and I live in a shack!".  At the time I thought he was joking.  He was not.   ???

San Diego is dirt cheap compared to San Francisco.  People can't really grasp that by just reading the numbers on the news.  You have to be on the ground to fully appreciate it.  Even 20 years ago when we were relocating people from the midwest they didn't really get it until they came.  Then they had the deer in the headlights look.  They had a 5-6 bedroom house in the midwest.  For what they sold it for, they were lucky to get a 1 bedroom apartment in San Francisco.  If they could find one that cheap.

People making minimum wage have no hope in California unless they are under rent control from 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: chocolateshake on March 13, 2019, 02:31:40 PM
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We have my dad in a tiny 650 sq ft condo in Pacific Beach, about 5 blocks from the ocean.  We paid $405k.  Ouch.

In San Francisco a condo like that in a similar neighborhood is closer to $1.5M.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: chocolateshake on March 13, 2019, 02:39:36 PM
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There are some nice luxary shacks (condos) in Mission Valley.  Thought about picking up a 2bed/2bsth as an investment.

Factor global warming into that decision.  Even when it lightly rains, parts of Mission and Fashion Valley are flooded.  Both are built on the San Diego river.  Historically, it was more like the San Diego dry river bed.  It's not dry anymore.  If there's appreciably sea level rise, much of that will be underwater.

Sea level rise isn't something for the far future.  It's here.  Imperial Beach is already getting swamped on king tides.  The city announced a plan to relocate the city further inland which upset the residents who's land would be underwater.  So the city is back to defending against the sea.  It's a fight they will lose.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: TardisMom on March 13, 2019, 08:47:17 PM
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In San Francisco a condo like that in a similar neighborhood is closer to $1.5M.

Triple OUCH!!
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: geek_girlie on March 14, 2019, 09:38:18 AM
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In San Francisco a condo like that in a similar neighborhood is closer to $1.5M.

I can totally empathize living in the DC Metro area myself. However, I do know that it is much, much worse in San Francisco!!  :(
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: perc2100 on March 14, 2019, 11:12:22 AM
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I remember my first comic con, where I asked the taxi driver about housing costs and he sighed, " I paid $400,000 for my house and I live in a shack!".  At the time I thought he was joking.  He was not.   ???

For reference:
* 15 years ago, right before the housing crash, my wife and I bought a 2 bedrooms/2 bath 1100 square foot condo in Poway Unified school district (where I teach and where she taught at the time; one of the best districts in SD county) for around $300,000.  Now if we sold it we'd get around $400,000. 
* my parents live in an upper-class suburb in Columbus, OH very similar to Poway district area.  They have an acre of land in a 4 bedroom/3 full + 1 half bath probably around 5k square feet and when they retire in a year they'll likely be able to sell their house for a little over $300k (which is good for that area).  Crazy.
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Same.  The housing situation is out of control in California.  I don't know what it's like in the rest of the country.  People with middle class jobs living on the street and in their cars is a common sight here in California.  They can no longer afford housing.  That's not sustainable.
Part of the problem, especially in San Diego, is there is a significant housing shortage (note: pretty sure this is the same in all the major CA cities), and in far less than a decade I think we'll have a lot more families than housing units.  SD is working on that, but there are still going to be problems with housing.  The shortage means rentals and 'starter homes' are at a huge premium (supply/demand) and thus hard for families to afford.  I think a one bedrooms/one bath in my complex would still be pushing $300k nowadays which seems insane: any my mortgage is similar/LESS than what some of our neighbors are paying to RENT a 2 bedroom/2 bath unit!
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: FBS on March 14, 2019, 11:27:04 AM
Whenever me and the better half have stayed in SD the days after comic con we've always looked at the houses for sale in the agents windows.
Even with the great UK to US exchange rate we would be living in a 1 bedroom apartment if we sold our house here in the UK.
It really did shock me as to how high the prices are.

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Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: Angel_ on March 14, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
All this price talk makes me cry.  I live in Hawaii.  A two bedroom condo is over a million dollars.   :-[

I currently pay $1300 a month for a a 150 square foot studio apartment. 
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: vegasndn on March 14, 2019, 04:01:07 PM
Come to Las Vegas, a lot of Californians have moved here and to Arizona. We bought 2k sq ft house w/ pool near southpoint casino for 265k a few years ago. This area is growing and prices are going up, yes it’s hot during the summer but from fall to spring it’s nice. Plus you can still drive to comic con.


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Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: f22raptor on March 14, 2019, 04:04:47 PM
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Come to Las Vegas, a lot of Californians have moved here and to Arizona. We bought 2k sq ft house w/ pool near southpoint casino for 265k a few years ago. This area is growing and prices are going up, yes it’s hot during the summer but from fall to spring it’s nice. Plus you can still drive to comic con.


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Viva Las Vegas!!!
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: Poggledoo on March 25, 2019, 12:52:29 AM
Wow, while it's crazy that things have come to this point, I'm glad that this is another option open to people.
Title: Re: Here's a new option, stay in your car.
Post by: marcia29 on March 26, 2019, 08:10:49 AM
I admit I was a bit shocked at the official approval of living in a car/van, but after looking at housing prices...I feel your pain.