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Title: Today, would YOU go to SDCC? **If you change your mind, u can change your VOTE**
Post by: alyssa on March 18, 2020, 07:40:38 AM
To be clear, this poll is set so that folks can change their vote. The intention is to gauge the amount of current uncertainty about the big meet up called SDCC in July. As I post this poll, it's March 18th.
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Post by: TardisMom on March 18, 2020, 08:40:56 AM
I say Yes, with Disinfectant.  But that could change, obviously, depending on what happens over the next few weeks.  We'll need to take snapshots of how this poll changes.
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Post by: semigeekgirl on March 18, 2020, 09:52:16 AM
I'm with @TardisMom (https://www.friendsofcc.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=842) , except for not disinfectant - guidance by health authorities that attending is an okay thing to do. I'm not at all afraid of getting sick myself, but if gatherings are still spreading COVID-19 to vulnerable populations, then I can't go no matter how much I want to.
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Post by: teriqueen on March 18, 2020, 10:23:15 AM
No, though I am open to changing my mind. I'm over 60, and I just recovered from breaking my leg and wrist in a stupid Segway accident last fall. I'm feeling pretty risk-averse at the moment.
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Post by: Miclpea on March 18, 2020, 11:09:24 AM
Yes


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Title: Re: Today, would YOU go to SDCC? **If you change your mind, u can change your VOTE**
Post by: taka on March 18, 2020, 11:11:32 AM
I think you should add an option of "yes if it is postponed for fall" or something like that, I personally would not go in july, but in oct I would think of it
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Post by: Iris on March 18, 2020, 11:17:16 AM
I absolutely would, but I'd take all the disinfectant in the world. But i'm not in a dangerous group for covid-19 and while I'm sick at the moment (fingers crossed it's just allergies) I'm not in contact with people who are in a worrisome group either.
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Post by: sessionka on March 18, 2020, 11:29:01 AM
I voted 'anytime, anyplace', however...

I'm really not worried for myself at all, even if I were to be exposed and contracted the virus.

I'm a healthy senior, so I don't fall into the category of having a compromised immune system.

This is not to say I don't have concern for those that do.  I know people who have issues that would be of a concern.  They take it upon themselves not to get exposed, and I do my part not to expose them by adhering to the health guidelines. 
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 18, 2020, 12:12:54 PM
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I'm a healthy senior, so I don't fall into the category of having a compromised immune system.

You are contracting two of the warnings.  It's not seniors with compromised immune systems.  It's seniors as one risk group.  It's also people with compromised immune systems as another.  So being old alone is a risk.  Being old or young with a compromised immune system is another.

The European experience also differs from the Chinese one.  More younger people in Europe have fallen ill than in China.  Half the people that have died in France are under 60.  More than the expected percentage of people in their 20-40's are in ICUs in Italy.

Everyone is at risk to covid.  No one has a golden ticket.
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Post by: stl_ben on March 18, 2020, 12:44:17 PM
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I think you should add an option of "yes if it is postponed for fall" or something like that, I personally would not go in july, but in oct I would think of it
I would say there is almost no chance they would reschedule for a different time.
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Post by: Transmute Jun on March 18, 2020, 12:51:03 PM
Anytime, anyplace. They've already canceled too much.
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Post by: Chris on March 18, 2020, 01:39:15 PM
Good pole idea.  :)
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Post by: Michael M on March 18, 2020, 03:46:21 PM
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No, though I am open to changing my mind. I'm over 60, and I just recovered from breaking my leg and wrist in a stupid Segway accident last fall. I'm feeling pretty risk-averse at the moment.
Stupid segway accicent?  Tell us more! I smell a story!! :D
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Post by: dcol on March 18, 2020, 03:56:28 PM
Disinfectant is useless if someone right next to you coughs or sneezes. That is the issue here. SDCC is people jammed right next to each other.
The only way I'd go is if there was medicine for COVID-19 readily available. Also there are reported cases of people catching it more than once.

But I would consider going if strict rules were in effect like mandatory face masks and limiting the number of people in closed areas. Still a risk.

If you are older, don't be a fool. Wait for a vaccine or cure.
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Post by: teriqueen on March 18, 2020, 04:39:51 PM
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Stupid segway accicent?  Tell us more! I smell a story!! :D

Not a particularly good story, I'm afraid. But since you asked, the short version is that my husband's brother and his wife were visiting at the end of September to experience their first autumn in Vermont, and my husband arranged for a Segway tour of a nearby forested park on the side of a mountain. I discovered that Segways are actually big scary machines (they're especially big with off-road tires) and have NO BRAKES (a minor detail that will be important later). We did fine during the tour, which took us over some steep and bumpy trails. Afterwards, because we had all proved ourselves so adept, the guide gave us some time to explore on our own. My brother-in-law took off down a freakily steep part of the trail, and my husband had to follow, of course. I was worried that this macho competition would lead to disaster, so I went after them. The only way to slow or stop a Segway is to lean backwards, and the heavier you are, the easier it is to slow down. I, alas, was not quite heavy enough to either slow or stop the damn thing from careening down the trail, and it threw me off to the side. I hit my head pretty hard, but I had a decent helmet on. I thought I had just dislocated my knee, but I had fractured my right tibia in two places and my right wrist in one place. I spent two months on the sofa before the leg healed enough to bear any weight at all. Also, I live in a two-story house on the side of a hill, meaning I was mostly confined to one room.

The upside is that social distancing is a piece of cake in comparison!
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Post by: NCDS on March 18, 2020, 05:09:10 PM
Are we assuming it's in July still or you mean would go tomorrow?  A lot depends on if I have had it and where we are at.
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Post by: accelerate on March 18, 2020, 05:22:15 PM
It depends on how contained they virus is and how soon vaccines and medications are available. If we’re at the level China is now by, say, next month (HIGHLY doubtful), then I’ll consider it. Also, if we have the option to defer to next year so we don’t have to go through Registration again, I’m taking it, no matter if SDCC is happening this year or not. 
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Post by: puppy on March 18, 2020, 10:49:29 PM
After seeing what happened at the Malaysian mosque...no.
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Post by: hikanteki on March 18, 2020, 11:09:06 PM
Yes, I would go and then self-isolate for at least 14 days whether or not I have symptoms.
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Post by: stl_ben on March 19, 2020, 05:58:10 AM
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It depends on how contained they virus is and how soon vaccines and medications are available. If we’re at the level China is now by, say, next month (HIGHLY doubtful), then I’ll consider it. Also, if we have the option to defer to next year so we don’t have to go through Registration again, I’m taking it, no matter if SDCC is happening this year or not.
Any major medical professional is saying at least 18 months for a vaccine to be ready....so don't think it will be here in July.
Title: Re: Today, would YOU go to SDCC? **If you change your mind, u can change your VOTE**
Post by: alyssa on March 19, 2020, 09:52:25 AM
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It depends on how contained they virus is and how soon vaccines and medications are available. If we’re at the level China is now by, say, next month (HIGHLY doubtful), then I’ll consider it. Also, if we have the option to defer to next year so we don’t have to go through Registration again, I’m taking it, no matter if SDCC is happening this year or not. 

agreed, further, the hospitals need to be recover & back to their normal capacity. There's a **lot** of unknowns which is why i made this poll changable. IOW, it's a living poll- if we get into late may & we're still in lots of problems, likely the poll will reflect that.
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Post by: cciveg on March 19, 2020, 04:12:19 PM
  :blank:

With the Con’s lines to get into lines, packed rooms, jammed walkways and “security” screaming spittle everywhere, it is a virus’ wet dream. Everyone is in an at-risk group. Take care, stay inside, wash.
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Post by: Jason on March 19, 2020, 08:46:07 PM
I am a couple of days away from changing to no from yes with disinfectant. I am not easily scared but this has me terrified.
Title: Re: Today, would YOU go to SDCC? **If you change your mind, u can change your VOTE**
Post by: alyssa on March 19, 2020, 09:07:55 PM
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I am a couple of days away from changing to no from yes with disinfectant. I am not easily scared but this has me terrified.

Agreed, Newsom's assessment of the upcoming need for hospital beds is scary. The talk of taking over college dorms & hotels is reminiscent of every disaster movie I've ever seen.
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Post by: Chris on March 20, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
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Agreed, Newsom's assessment of the upcoming need for hospital beds is scary. The talk of taking over college dorms & hotels is reminiscent of every disaster movie I've ever seen.i

Agree.  This whole thing feels very much like a movie.  It's been very surreal.
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Post by: Miclpea on March 20, 2020, 03:15:33 PM
A bad movie.


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Post by: Chris on March 20, 2020, 05:40:19 PM
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A bad movie.


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Totally
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Post by: NCDS on March 21, 2020, 10:22:27 PM
After reading this I may need to change my vote!

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients?fbclid=IwAR2flFD6UJ0atd_qr1hb12gaYyixWWbsINU-uQVnXdZGQ2AJX_XI48UX5co
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Post by: dcol on March 22, 2020, 09:43:26 AM
There is no need to take the risk. Just plan for 2021. And lets hope SDCC lets us keep our badges for next year.
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Post by: Michael M on March 22, 2020, 10:38:35 AM
Well, we'll see where things are in April.  I for one am trying to be optimistic here, so we shall see.
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Post by: Miclpea on March 22, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
At the end of May, there should be no doubt about SDCC.


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Title: Re: Today, would YOU go to SDCC? **If you change your mind, u can change your VOTE**
Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 22, 2020, 01:19:55 PM
Hopefully it doesnt take til May for them to make a decision
Title: Re: Today, would YOU go to SDCC? **If you change your mind, u can change your VOTE**
Post by: dcol on March 22, 2020, 01:37:34 PM
I decided to wait it out with the hopes they postpone or just move it to 2021 and not make us go through that badge buying process again.
I will NOT go in July. It's just too risky for me because I am over 65 and there will be no cure, treatment, or vaccine by then.
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Post by: kihou on March 23, 2020, 11:20:01 AM
I honestly don't know.  The plan was to go with my two 60+ year old parents with our 1 year old and a friend (so 6 of us total).  While they claim children and younger folks don't get it "as bad" I don't know if I would risk my baby, and then definitely would be concerned about risking my parents to it all.  We have our flights and hotel booked already so right now we're just waiting it out to see how it goes since there's not much more we can do.  I think we'll know more how this is all playing out in the coming couple months.

I do hope that if they cancel or postpone, we can keep our badges because this was the year we all lucked out with getting all days with preview night.
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Post by: sessionka on March 23, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
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Hopefully it doesnt take til May for them to make a decision

I'm thinking and hoping the opposite.   :)

Title: Re: Today, would YOU go to SDCC? **If you change your mind, u can change your VOTE**
Post by: DaveG on March 23, 2020, 12:07:22 PM
While I appreciate the poll to see how people are feeling, it's really not looking like anyone is going to have a choice.  I can't see how they could allow large public gatherings to take place without a vaccine.  We're heading towards hundreds of thousands of cases, but that's still only about 0.1% of our population.  Why would they risk reigniting the spread to the other 99.9% until we have a better way to prevent it?
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Post by: taka on March 23, 2020, 12:56:30 PM
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While I appreciate the poll to see how people are feeling, it's really not looking like anyone is going to have a choice.  I can't see how they could allow large public gatherings to take place without a vaccine.  We're heading towards hundreds of thousands of cases, but that's still only about 0.1% of our population.  Why would they risk reigniting the spread to the other 99.9% until we have a better way to prevent it?

At this point, it should be clear to everyone that SDCC is NOT going to happen in July, they are most likely waiting for official government announcements for those dates so insurance can be activated.

I want SDCC to happen as much as everyone, lets face reality, this is not going to going away by july, not saying its going to be worse, it will be better than right now but definitely not in the right conditions to happen safely.
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Post by: Michael M on March 23, 2020, 12:58:38 PM
On the flipside, if/when SDCC doesn't happen, I'm going to be saving a $#!7-ton of money that I'd otherwise spend on art, commissions, exclusives, swag and you name it.
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Post by: YouThinkMeMad on March 23, 2020, 01:02:33 PM
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavirus/city-takes-new-steps-to-protect-homeless-population-from-coronavirus/
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Post by: hikanteki on March 23, 2020, 01:28:22 PM
Now that they're using the convention center as a homeless shelter, I changed my vote to absolutely not.
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Post by: accelerate on March 23, 2020, 01:48:56 PM
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On the flipside, if/when SDCC doesn't happen, I'm going to be saving a $#!7-ton of money that I'd otherwise spend on art, commissions, exclusives, swag and you name it.
Ha, yes. Heck, I’ve already been saving money by not commuting to work. I’m hoping I can go through the entire quarantine without filling up the gas tank even once.

Regarding swag, since I was cooped up, I did some house cleaning. So much swag I’ve accumulated from cons over the years that I had to toss because they hold absolutely no value to me. Going forward, definitely gonna be more picky on what I choose to pick up or buy.
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Post by: sessionka on March 23, 2020, 01:49:33 PM
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At this point, it should be clear to everyone that SDCC is NOT going to happen in July, they are most likely waiting for official government announcements for those dates so insurance can be activated.


Assuming insurance would cover the losses.  This has been an issue.
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Post by: taka on March 23, 2020, 01:59:19 PM
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Assuming insurance would cover the losses.  This has been an issue.

I see no other reason to wait to postpone/cancel, even the olympics are getting postponed
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Post by: sessionka on March 23, 2020, 08:57:41 PM
I'm curious...

I pray every night that the con is not cancelled, so I'm willing to wait up until the very last minute for a decision to be made.

For those wanting Sdcc to make the decision to cancel now, why not just go ahead and request a refund. Or are you hoping that a cancellation means you automatically qualify for the next con without having to go thru registration.

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Post by: taka on March 23, 2020, 09:17:25 PM
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For those wanting Sdcc to make the decision to cancel now, why not just go ahead and request a refund. Or are you hoping that a cancellation means you automatically qualify for the next con without having to go thru registration.


I think that part is obvious, most of us are waiting that CCI itself anounces the cancelation and any "compensation" that goes with it. I believe I speak for all here, we want SDCC to happen, but what is happening right now is an unprecedented event and must be treated with unprecedented measures.
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Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 23, 2020, 09:18:35 PM
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I'm curious...

I pray every night that the con is not cancelled, so I'm willing to wait up until the very last minute for a decision to be made.

For those wanting Sdcc to make the decision to cancel now, why not just go ahead and request a refund. Or are you hoping that a cancellation means you automatically qualify for the next con without having to go thru registration.

I have a hotel booked already so Im waiting til its cancelled.

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Post by: nightshade on March 24, 2020, 08:46:31 AM
I think SDCC’s unique risk is that it really does draw an international audience.  From all corners of the world.  Even if we can get control of it here in the next 2 months, it just takes 1 carrier from an infected area to super spread.  And we all know how tightly packed we are throughout the show - social distancing impossible. 

The other consideration is that studios/activations/marketers/exhibitors, etc... had to make decision rather early (4-6 months in advance) if will have major presence this year, and could you imagine that financial risk/liability to employees & talent?  Even the parties take months of planning.

I want SDCC to happen, but just hoping they can postpone hopefully to a date that another convention vacated.
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Post by: dcol on March 24, 2020, 08:53:19 AM
I would be happy if SDCC just canceled and applied our badges to SDCC 2021. That seems to be a win-win and the best solution. Also offer refunds for those needing the money right now or cannot attend in 2021. The registration process is stressful enough. July 2021 is far enough off where we should be in good shape.
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Post by: DaveG on March 24, 2020, 10:47:46 AM
As each day goes by and the situation gets worse, I get more worried about SDCC.  There are a lot of unknowns at this point and I certainly hope things are getting better by July. 

But assume they are better and the con goes on.  You could camp out all night for Hall H and end up with great seats.  And then someone sits next to you and they have a consistent cough.  What do you do?  it's bad enough going to the grocery store and if someone coughs, a half dozen heads spin in their direction and glare at them as if they just set off a bomb.  Now imagine it happening in close quarters.  For better or worse it feels as if social norms may change after this.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 24, 2020, 11:39:23 AM
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ABut assume they are better and the con goes on.  You could camp out all night for Hall H and end up with great seats.  And then someone sits next to you and they have a consistent cough.  What do you do?

That's easy.  Where there is a problem, there's a cosplay solution.  Wear a Stormtrooper helmet.  It'll cover your eyes and the rest of your head.  Wear a mask underneath it.  You're 80% protected.

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For better or worse it feels as if social norms may change after this.

I hope so.  What people are doing now is what I've done for years.  I always wear a mask if I have a cold to keep it to myself.  Hopefully covid does to handshaking what the Spanish Flu did to spitting in the US.  While it didn't get rid of it entirely, it made it bad manners.  I've had a no handshaking policy for decades.

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Post by: Chris on March 24, 2020, 04:25:42 PM
I sincerely hope that social norms change as people tend to drag everyone into their colds with them.  In particular at work where people don't want to use their "vacation time" when they get sick.

This happened to me a few weeks ago where a co-worker got me sick and the first thing I did when I got symptoms was to go home and then arrange to see a Dr.

Having a bacterial infection in the times of a global viral pandemic is scary and not fun.
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Post by: sessionka on March 25, 2020, 09:11:02 AM
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I sincerely hope that social norms change as people tend to drag everyone into their colds with them.  In particular at work where people don't want to use their "vacation time" when they get sick.


You should use sick time, but there are situations where that can be a tough call.  I got sick shortly after starting my new job 10 years ago.  I didn't want to call in sick, because I just started, and I know that can leave a bad impression.  My symptoms weren't visible (not coughing or sneezing, but feverish).  Since it was a Friday, I went in to work.  I figured I could work one day, and take the weekend to recover.  It was a judgement call, but it worked out for me and there was no noticeable uptick in others in the office getting sick.
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Post by: dcol on March 25, 2020, 09:21:44 AM
Yes, and how many mildly sick people, with all they have invested, would still go to this show?
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Post by: puppy on March 25, 2020, 10:24:24 AM
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You should use sick time, but there are situations where that can be a tough call.  I got sick shortly after starting my new job 10 years ago.  I didn't want to call in sick, because I just started, and I know that can leave a bad impression.  My symptoms weren't visible (not coughing or sneezing, but feverish).  Since it was a Friday, I went in to work.  I figured I could work one day, and take the weekend to recover.  It was a judgement call, but it worked out for me and there was no noticeable uptick in others in the office getting sick.

When I started work at my last job, I was told that not coming in for any reason during the first three months would be grounds for being fired. So, I went to work deathly ill.
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Post by: Emerald_Mom on March 25, 2020, 11:38:18 AM
I voted no.... have a family member going thru chemo treatment.... I just can't take the chance.

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Post by: dcol on March 25, 2020, 01:01:40 PM
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I voted no.... have a family member going thru chemo treatment.... I just can't take the chance.

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Just not worth the risk. The crowded Florida beaches is an example of the mindset of those who still want to go in July.
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Post by: magicalme7 on March 25, 2020, 01:52:27 PM
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I would be happy if SDCC just canceled and applied our badges to SDCC 2021. That seems to be a win-win and the best solution. Also offer refunds for those needing the money right now or cannot attend in 2021. The registration process is stressful enough. July 2021 is far enough off where we should be in good shape.

I agree. I would totally opt for that!! With the way things are going, I just don't see SDCC being a safe environment.
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Post by: perc2100 on March 25, 2020, 05:03:04 PM
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Just not worth the risk. The crowded Florida beaches is an example of the mindset of those who still want to go in July.
No, it's not.  People at crowded FL beaches NOW are doing so in the midst of a pandemic NOW.
We have literally zero clue what things will be like in slightly less than 4 months from now.  Could be fine.  Could be just as bad.  Who knows?!  As things stand now, on March 25th, I voted for "I'd Go" (or whatever: don't know explicit options on this screen) because I'm being optimistic on where this situation is.  Monitoring what our mayor is doing, and what our governor is doing, I'm feeling OK about where things _might_ be in 4 months.  I said it somewhere else, I think in 4 months if things are clear COVID-19-wise, I'm gonna want a release: I'm gonna want to celebrate getting through this thing.  And there is no party like Comic-Con party when it comes to celebrating almost everything I love: friends, family, pop arts (and sometimes when I'm lucky, music).
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No, it's not.  People at crowded FL beaches NOW are doing so in the midst of a pandemic NOW.
We have literally zero clue what things will be like in slightly less than 4 months from now.  Could be fine.  Could be just as bad.  Who knows?!  As things stand now, on March 25th, I voted for "I'd Go" (or whatever: don't know explicit options on this screen) because I'm being optimistic on where this situation is.  Monitoring what our mayor is doing, and what our governor is doing, I'm feeling OK about where things _might_ be in 4 months.  I said it somewhere else, I think in 4 months if things are clear COVID-19-wise, I'm gonna want a release: I'm gonna want to celebrate getting through this thing.  And there is no party like Comic-Con party when it comes to celebrating almost everything I love: friends, family, pop arts (and sometimes when I'm lucky, music).
my point exactly
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Post by: puppy on March 25, 2020, 07:08:20 PM
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No, it's not.  People at crowded FL beaches NOW are doing so in the midst of a pandemic NOW.
We have literally zero clue what things will be like in slightly less than 4 months from now.  Could be fine.  Could be just as bad.  Who knows?!  As things stand now, on March 25th, I voted for "I'd Go" (or whatever: don't know explicit options on this screen) because I'm being optimistic on where this situation is.  Monitoring what our mayor is doing, and what our governor is doing, I'm feeling OK about where things _might_ be in 4 months.  I said it somewhere else, I think in 4 months if things are clear COVID-19-wise, I'm gonna want a release: I'm gonna want to celebrate getting through this thing.  And there is no party like Comic-Con party when it comes to celebrating almost everything I love: friends, family, pop arts (and sometimes when I'm lucky, music).

If you'd have asked me in January where I thought this was going, I wouldn't have told you we'd all be stuck at home and businesses would all be closed. I did not see this coming. So, if things are fine in July, I'd go. I'm pessimistic, though. I think the pandemic will still be there, especially if  we go down the path our country's leadership is taking. I was wrong in January. Maybe I'm wrong right now.
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Post by: dcol on March 26, 2020, 11:12:03 AM
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If you'd have asked me in January where I thought this was going, I wouldn't have told you we'd all be stuck at home and businesses would all be closed. I did not see this coming. So, if things are fine in July, I'd go. I'm pessimistic, though. I think the pandemic will still be there, especially if  we go down the path our country's leadership is taking. I was wrong in January. Maybe I'm wrong right now.
There will be no cure, vaccine, or tests for the average person by July, so what conclusion does that tell us. If they say 75K+ infected now in the US without tests for everyone, what do you think the number really is?
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Post by: taka on March 26, 2020, 11:21:35 AM
Also I think many are watching this as a black and white situation, maybe in july we wont be in a bad spot, maybe in a gray area where we are relatively fine but only need one massive gathering for the problem to gain strenght and spread again... with no vaccine and no treatment we cant have SDCC, for it to happen we must be in a great shape again, not just fine vs the virus
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Post by: Transmute Jun on March 26, 2020, 04:15:02 PM
While there are a lot of 'no way' comments in this thread, I find it heartening to see that more than half of the votes are a variant of 'yes'. For all of you, I look forward to seeing you at SDCC this year, no matter how big or small, no matter when or where!
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Post by: dcol on March 26, 2020, 04:20:57 PM
This poll shows that we are not taking this pandemic seriously. Until we do, it will get worse. 80k+ cases in the US and growing.
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Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 26, 2020, 05:05:49 PM
Im assuming all the Yes votes are people that live in California.

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Post by: Michael M on March 26, 2020, 05:11:42 PM
I'm a yes, and I'm in PA.

I'm keeping a positive outlook here.  Maybe it's in my makeup.  But until it gets cancelled, I'm goin on the fact that it's still going on in some shape/form.  Whether it gets to be its usual 136K+ people or 1,300, tons of studios or just good ol' comics, SDCC has always been awesome.  Bring it on in whatever shape it will be.  Assuming it's on, I'm in.
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Post by: taka on March 26, 2020, 11:21:31 PM
Dont get me wrong, I love SDCC and am supersad that I wont get to go this year (this would be my 5th) but you are not taking seriously this problem, the US is oficially epicenter of the pandemic and its only starting... dont be blind, its not about being optimistic (the world wont end) but its about everyone doing an effort to keep this controled not for just 4 months, but for a year or more when we finally get a vaccine and IF we get it
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Post by: DaveG on March 27, 2020, 03:46:04 AM
I started as a yes with disinfectants, but in reality I'm not so sure.  It's obvious there won't be a vaccine by July.  If it were just me, I'd probably still go (assuming its held), but I have to consider my wife.  We're both over 60 now and each year she send me off to SDCC (not her thing) and tells me to enjoy myself.  But if I get any hint that she's nervous about me bringing the virus back home, then I'll have to pass.  I'm very lucky to have her and she's very accommodating for my passions.  So I can't just think about myself.

Also, while 60% of the people here are currently still a yes, it's been pointed out that we are the diehards.  Have to wonder how the more casual congoer feels about all of this.
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Post by: accelerate on March 27, 2020, 01:53:39 PM
A corollary pair of questions could be: if you're unwilling to go this year, and SDCC was still held as scheduled, how upset would you be, and on the flip side, if you still wanted to go, but SDCC cancelled, how upset would you be?

Me, I'm definitely leaning towards not wanting to go, but if SDCC still proceeded, I'd definitely have a bit of FOMO.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 27, 2020, 02:04:53 PM
Even if comic-con was held as usual this year, without a vaccine I wouldn't go.  I can't risk my parents' lives.  It's too much of a risk.

I'm hoping it's just an issue this year.  This could impact 2021 as well.  18 months for a vaccine to be approved and deployed is optimistic.
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Post by: teriqueen on March 27, 2020, 03:50:39 PM
My room-mate and I have been going together for the last 10 years, but neither of us intends to go this year (even though she lives in San Diego county). I wouldn't be upset if the con was held despite the current situation, but I think SDCC would be irresponsible to do so. I am waiting to see if there is an option to roll my badge over to next year; if not, I'll just cancel.

Right now I have a half dozen family members in NYC, one in Dallas, and an 80-year-old mother who lives alone a couple hours away from me. My son and his fiancé just postponed the May wedding they've been planning for the last 9 months. There are way bigger things to worry about right now than SDCC. 
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Post by: Chris on March 27, 2020, 04:41:08 PM
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My room-mate and I have been going together for the last 10 years, but neither of us intends to go this year (even though she lives in San Diego county). I wouldn't be upset if the con was held despite the current situation, but I think SDCC would be irresponsible to do so. I am waiting to see if there is an option to roll my badge over to next year; if not, I'll just cancel.

Right now I have a half dozen family members in NYC, one in Dallas, and an 80-year-old mother who lives alone a couple hours away from me. My son and his fiancé just postponed the May wedding they've been planning for the last 9 months. There are way bigger things to worry about right now than SDCC.

Postponing a wedding.  I didn't think of that.  Sorry to hear that.
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Post by: JKingoftheNerds on March 27, 2020, 07:31:59 PM
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Even if comic-con was held as usual this year, without a vaccine I wouldn't go.  I can't risk my parents' lives.  It's too much of a risk.

This is exactly where I'm at. I still don't know what the best option for SDCC to pick is (though I'm leaning towards "cancel"), and I'd hate to miss it, even if the con is greatly reduced in size this year, but I'm just not willing to risk it on account of the people who are 60+ that I'm close to.
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Post by: Jason on March 27, 2020, 08:30:22 PM
Changed my vote to no. Both my friend I usually attend with and my wife are not willing to risk it. I was planning on 2020 being my last SDCC, but I can push that to 2021. Getting to attend a Funko FunDays is on my bucket list, but no Funko exclusive is worth the risk.

I don’t think it will be a concern though. Governor Newsom will probably shut down large gatherings for the rest of the year, meaning SDCC has no choice. CCI can keep my money and roll it to 2021 if they want. The only people who don’t want badges to roll over are people who missed days for this year anyway.
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Post by: sessionka on March 28, 2020, 06:40:11 AM
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Im assuming all the Yes votes are people that live in California.

Nope. East coast for me and I was the first vote and I'm a senior and I'm not changing my vote.   :)

I'm going to express an opinion that may not be popular.  Things will start to open up in the next few weeks, because results will shift in favor of going that way.   I'm not saying this isn't serious.  I'm saying there will be more cases reported of people recovering.
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Post by: dcol on March 28, 2020, 08:40:31 AM
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Nope. East coast for me and I was the first vote and I'm a senior and I'm not changing my vote.   :)

I'm going to express an opinion that may not be popular.  Things will start to open up in the next few weeks, because results will shift in favor of going that way.   I'm not saying this isn't serious.  I'm saying there will be more cases reported of people recovering.
How wrong can someone be. 100K+ cases now and that is without national testing. Estimates are 5 to 10 times that. I'm happy for you wanting to go, but please be responsible for once and quarantine yourself after you return.
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Post by: sessionka on March 28, 2020, 11:02:27 AM
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How wrong can someone be. 100K+ cases now and that is without national testing. Estimates are 5 to 10 times that.

We shall see.  :)
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Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 28, 2020, 12:44:21 PM
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We shall see.  :)

I think the Orange Man is the only one that wants the country opened back up.

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I think the Orange Man is the only one that wants the country opened back up.
And some people in this thread.
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Post by: semigeekgirl on March 28, 2020, 01:32:27 PM
There's a difference between wishing for things to open back up and being foolhardy enough  to ignore expert recommendations and open things back up before anything changes.

I think a lot of us on this board desperately WANT things to open back up or not get cancelled, but that doesn't mean we're going to casually gamble with everyone's health to make that happen. We're just hoping for a miracle, or for new information/cures/preventatives that make gathering possible again. You might think the chances of that are low, and you are entitled to your opinion, but please don't imply that those if us clinging to some optimism are stupid or uncaring.

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There's a difference between wishing for things to open back up and being foolhardy enough  to ignore expert recommendations and open things back up before anything changes.

I think a lot of us on this board desperately WANT things to open back up or not get cancelled, but that doesn't mean we're going to casually gamble with everyone's health to make that happen. We're just hoping for a miracle, or for new information/cures/preventatives that make gathering possible again. You might think the chances of that are low, and you are entitled to your opinion, but please don't imply that those if us clinging to some optimism are stupid or uncaring.

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It would be a miracle to have a cure or vaccine available to everyone by July, and then maybe a superhero will swarm down and save us all.
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 28, 2020, 11:07:18 PM
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It would be a miracle to have a cure or vaccine available to everyone by July, and then maybe a superhero will swarm down and save us all.

Definitely not in the United States.  That's not happening by July.  We will be lucky to have a vaccine widely available to the public in 18 months and not just available to people in specific professions.

In some other places, that may be another matter.  In some parts of the world, large scale "field trials" happen early in the pipeline.  Many times it happens where the population doesn't even know they are being experimented on.  The laws relating to human experimentation aren't universally strong all over the world.  So drug companies and even the WHO go test where the laws are weak.
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Post by: teriqueen on March 29, 2020, 06:00:53 AM
I can't bear to respond to idiots on FB who claim Covid-19 is no worse than the common cold, so I'm sharing some thoughts with the much smarter people here. :-)

My book club had a Zoom meeting on Friday, and we asked the two doctors in the group for their thoughts. They agreed that the biggest challenges right now are (1) the length of time between infection and the presentation of symptoms (5 days is apparently an extraordinarily long time, which is why so many people are infected) and (2) the fact that doctors have as yet no idea why some people present with very mild symptoms and others get very sick and die. If they had more data, they might be able to pinpoint the conditions that protect people from the worst case scenario (sort of like sickle-cell anemia protects people from malaria). They both stressed the need for antibody testing--these tests are being developed, but none are in use yet.

Although they agreed that vaccines are a long way out, they believe that something like Tamiflu to lessen the severity of the symptoms will be available much sooner--maybe even in a few months. I figured that might be some good news for the SDCC hopefuls on this thread (though I still think you should all stay home and stay safe so we can meet again next year!).

And of course, they also pointed out that had the government acted sooner on testing and medical supplies and had enacted a nation-wide lockdown, we would be in MUCH better shape right now.
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Post by: sefton42 on March 29, 2020, 10:54:15 AM
Disneyworld announced today that they are once again taking reservations for June 1 and after.  For better or worse, if Disneyworld does reopen on June 1, I’d say that most other mass gatherings will resume, and SDCC will take place as planned in July.
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Post by: Miclpea on March 29, 2020, 11:17:38 AM
Sounds right to me.


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Disneyworld announced today that they are once again taking reservations for June 1 and after.  For better or worse, if Disneyworld does reopen on June 1, I’d say that most other mass gatherings will resume, and SDCC will take place as planned in July.

I don't think you can take that as a sign of anything.  It's easy enough for them to cancel those reservations.

Shanghai Disney is still closed.  China is 2 months ahead of us on the curve.  They took extraordinary measures to get where they are.  We aren't taking those same measures.
 
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Disneyworld announced today that they are once again taking reservations for June 1 and after.  For better or worse, if Disneyworld does reopen on June 1, I’d say that most other mass gatherings will resume, and SDCC will take place as planned in July.

Florida hasnt even issued a Stay at Home order yet. Also this is the state where people seem to not care about the virus and still gather in large groups on beaches.



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Post by: sefton42 on March 29, 2020, 12:33:07 PM
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Florida hasnt even issued a Stay at Home order yet. Also this is the state where people seem to not care about the virus and still gather in large groups on beaches.

All of the Disneyworld parks are located in Orange County which is under a stay at home order.
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Post by: accelerate on March 29, 2020, 12:43:14 PM
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All of the Disneyworld parks are located in Orange County which is under a stay at home order.
That’s DisneyLAND. Orange County, CA.

DisneyWORLD is in Osceola County, FL
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Post by: hikanteki on March 29, 2020, 01:01:51 PM
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That’s DisneyLAND. Orange County, CA.

DisneyWORLD is in Osceola County, FL

Disneyworld is in both Orange County, FL and Osceola County, FL, and both counties have issued stay at home orders.

https://allears.net/2020/03/26/news-orange-county-government-confirms-disney-world-is-included-in-their-stay-at-home-order/
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Post by: FlamedLiquid on March 29, 2020, 01:05:10 PM
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All of the Disneyworld parks are located in Orange County which is under a stay at home order.

They need to do this with the entire state.

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Post by: rabbitwarren on March 29, 2020, 01:49:06 PM
The initial word from our big clients was to be ready to activate in June but we are being told that it’s more likely our first activation will be in late August at the earliest.
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Post by: cire_raeb on March 29, 2020, 06:43:08 PM
Anytime Anyplace, i'll be there! 
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The initial word from our big clients was to be ready to activate in June but we are being told that it’s more likely our first activation will be in late August at the earliest.

What do you do?
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What do you do?

He is the leader of a group mechanical lions that interlocks into a giant robot...
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Post by: Devorah on March 30, 2020, 10:18:02 AM
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He is the leader of a group mechanical lions that interlocks into a giant robot...

Really? I thought he was one half of an extraterrestrial twin brother and sister superhero duo. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by: chocolateshake on March 30, 2020, 11:52:42 AM
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It would be a miracle to have a cure or vaccine available to everyone by July, and then maybe a superhero will swarm down and save us all.

So I just saw the pipelines for the companies trying to make a vaccine for covid.  The way they are getting to the 12 month mark is by eliminating 2 of the clinical trials.  A drug normally goes through 3 clinical trials.  Phase 1(is it safe?), Phase 2(does it work?) and finally Phase 3(how does it compare to what's already out there?).  While dropping Phase 3 might be reasonable, there's nothing out there now, only one company is conducting Phase 1 and Phase 2.  The rest of the companies are only conducting Phase 1 and then straight to deployment.  So long as it doesn't kill you, they are going to deploy the vaccine.  How well or if it works isn't going to be evaluated.
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What do you do?

I work for an event marketing agency.  Our clients activate in the big events: Super Bowl, CES, Wimbledon etc., although I only come in at the very beginning and very end of the project (after the event is over and we have to do the recaps) .  Not surprisingly, we’re bleeding right now but we have some other business lines that are keeping us afloat.


We’re being told to keep working and to be ready if some miracle happens by June but that most likely the earliest we’d be able to do anything would be the US Open.
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Post by: teriqueen on April 03, 2020, 07:51:07 AM
I don't know how this is rolling out elsewhere, but I was just notified that the University of Texas at Dallas will extend its shutdown and conduct ALL summer session classes online. I think it's the right move, but I was still surprised.
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Post by: dcol on April 04, 2020, 12:15:57 PM
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So I just saw the pipelines for the companies trying to make a vaccine for covid.  The way they are getting to the 12 month mark is by eliminating 2 of the clinical trials.  A drug normally goes through 3 clinical trials.  Phase 1(is it safe?), Phase 2(does it work?) and finally Phase 3(how does it compare to what's already out there?).  While dropping Phase 3 might be reasonable, there's nothing out there now, only one company is conducting Phase 1 and Phase 2.  The rest of the companies are only conducting Phase 1 and then straight to deployment.  So long as it doesn't kill you, they are going to deploy the vaccine.  How well or if it works isn't going to be evaluated.
12 months till they find a cure. Another 12 months to have it readily available to the general public. Hell, they can't even make enough tests.
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Post by: Mario Wario on April 04, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
 https://twitter.com/LindseyThiry/status/1246531599988150273?s=20 (https://twitter.com/LindseyThiry/status/1246531599988150273?s=20)

The tweet above is about Gov. Newsom’s opinion on when sporting events (mainly football) will start up again in California. Overall, how I see it, Newsom doesn't want any large event to happen for some time now. That's why I shared the tweet. SDCC is quickly approaching and it is a big event (obviously).

And here are a few recent articles about the vaccine process and all, since it is being discussed here:

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/when-will-a-coronavirus-vaccine-be-ready)

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/big-tobacco-joins-race-for-coronavirus-vaccine-11586012401 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/big-tobacco-joins-race-for-coronavirus-vaccine-11586012401)

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5112675002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5112675002)

 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-could-tb-vaccine-offer-protection (https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-could-tb-vaccine-offer-protection)

Of course, there are way more articles about this topic on the internet.
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Post by: sassafrass on April 04, 2020, 03:34:08 PM
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It depends on how contained they virus is and how soon vaccines and medications are available. If we’re at the level China is now by, say, next month (HIGHLY doubtful), then I’ll consider it. Also, if we have the option to defer to next year so we don’t have to go through Registration again, I’m taking it, no matter if SDCC is happening this year or not.
What level is China at?

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Post by: sefton42 on April 04, 2020, 03:38:23 PM
Honestly, that part about the sports teams gives me the most doubt about SDCC than anything else I’ve read.  I thought MLB was hoping to start up in June/July.
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Post by: alyssa on April 04, 2020, 04:53:19 PM
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Honestly, that part about the sports teams gives me the most doubt about SDCC than anything else I’ve read.  I thought MLB was hoping to start up in June/July.
i agree, CCI has to go along with whatever Gov. Newsom & Mayor Faulconer think best. The stories out of NYC are heart breaking.

I am coming around to changing my vote from 'yes with disinfectant' to 'No'
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Post by: Devorah on April 04, 2020, 07:00:30 PM
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i agree, CCI has to go along with whatever Gov. Newsom & Mayor Faulconer think best. The stories out of NYC are heart breaking.

I am coming around to changing my vote from 'yes with disinfectant' to 'No'
I changed my vote to no last week. It goes against all my die-hard SDCC instincts but that’s just the way it is.


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Post by: DaveG on April 04, 2020, 09:09:45 PM
I have to wonder, if SDCC is held, how many people will go or want to go due to FOMO?  Even if SDCC is scaled back, it will become an event people will talk about for decades.  Also, how many people are hoping SDCC will cancel and take the decision out of their hands?
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Post by: hikanteki on April 04, 2020, 09:51:46 PM
This is an opinion piece, but it is saying that this could cause mega conventions like SDCC and NYCC to become a thing of the past:

https://www.cbr.com/coronavirus-beginning-of-the-end-super-conventions/

It’s a very real possibility. I already thought SDCC had reached its peak and was beginning to decline, and this could exacerbate-to-completely-wipeout it. While I personally would welcome far fewer lines at SDCC, I of course don’t want it to be wiped out completely. But it’s a very real possibility that SDCC as we know it is no longer. This is going to change the landscape for a long time. More people will be suspicious of large crowds, and there will be less money to go around to support these kinds of events for the next few years. I don’t see SDCC happening this year, and I’m not even 100% certain that the conditions will be in place to bring it back next year. But...I wasn’t always into these kinds of conventions, and I don’t always have to be. If they come back, then I’ll gladly keep on going. If not...I’ll miss them but things will be fine. Based on my signature (and that of many other members of this forum), the conventions have brought enjoyment to us for many years. It has been a good run.
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Post by: rabbitwarren on April 05, 2020, 04:56:33 AM
As I had mentioned, I work in events and have a professional interest in seeing sports, cons, travel  etc start up again. From all the polls we’ve been seeing and we’ve been fielding in the past few weeks, there will be some hesitancy in the beginning, once social distancing measures begin to ease up. People will wait about 2-3 months to travel or go to sporting events. But they all want to go.

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Post by: alyssa on April 05, 2020, 07:05:44 AM
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I have to wonder, if SDCC is held, how many people will go or want to go due to FOMO?  Even if SDCC is scaled back, it will become an event people will talk about for decades.  Also, how many people are hoping SDCC will cancel and take the decision out of their hands?

i was in Boston for a convention the weekend after the marathon bombing. At that point, the suspects had not been caught.
The convention held a gathering at a shop outside of the city. I always wish i had attended. It sounded like massive fun and really special.

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As I had mentioned, I work in events and have a professional interest in seeing sports, cons, travel  etc start up again. From all the polls we’ve been seeing and we’ve been fielding in the past few weeks, there will be some hesitancy in the beginning, once social distancing measures begin to ease up. People will wait about 2-3 months to travel or go to sporting events. But they all want to go.

Thanks for that information. It sounds 'right'. I think the antibody test will affect peoples feelings in a positive way about going back to large events.
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Post by: TardisMom on April 05, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
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This is an opinion piece, but it is saying that this could cause mega conventions like SDCC and NYCC to become a thing of the past:

https://www.cbr.com/coronavirus-beginning-of-the-end-super-conventions/

It’s a very real possibility. I already thought SDCC had reached its peak and was beginning to decline, and this could exacerbate-to-completely-wipeout it. While I personally would welcome far fewer lines at SDCC, I of course don’t want it to be wiped out completely. But it’s a very real possibility that SDCC as we know it is no longer. This is going to change the landscape for a long time. More people will be suspicious of large crowds, and there will be less money to go around to support these kinds of events for the next few years. I don’t see SDCC happening this year, and I’m not even 100% certain that the conditions will be in place to bring it back next year. But...I wasn’t always into these kinds of conventions, and I don’t always have to be. If they come back, then I’ll gladly keep on going. If not...I’ll miss them but things will be fine. Based on my signature (and that of many other members of this forum), the conventions have brought enjoyment to us for many years. It has been a good run.

Interesting article!  And I agree with your thoughts.
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Post by: NCDS on April 05, 2020, 11:13:13 AM
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This is an opinion piece, but it is saying that this could cause mega conventions like SDCC and NYCC to become a thing of the past:

https://www.cbr.com/coronavirus-beginning-of-the-end-super-conventions/



While I can see their points, the fact that Marvel hasn't opted out for the past few years, they were there last year, made it hard for me to have confidence in the writer's ideas.  It still generates hype but it's definitely different than it use to be and I hear more and more people saying it's not worth their time.  However, they also aren't looking at the money factor.  SDCC might not do this but all the other cons are helping actors bring in a lot of money with photo ops and autographs.  So NYCC and SDCC have one significant difference there.  It could be CCI has to change their model but at the end of the day if it becomes a thing of the past I think it will be because CCI lost too much money from having to cancel. 

It's an interesting opinion though, I appreciate you sharing. 


Bill Gates believes large events will not happen until the vaccine is out.  If he is right, that means 2020 and 2021 could not occur.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyFT8qXcOrM
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Post by: dcol on April 05, 2020, 02:14:16 PM
One main factor that is overlooked is the number of people out of work and very tight on money. That will most certainly have an effect on SDCC this year. SDCC is very expensive to attend.
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Post by: sefton42 on April 05, 2020, 02:20:11 PM
Not nearly as much of a consideration as the fact that if they have to cancel it is probably not covered by insurance.
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Post by: NCDS on April 05, 2020, 02:37:06 PM
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Not nearly as much of a consideration as the fact that if they have to cancel it is probably not covered by insurance.

Actually we have discussed that one, but maybe it was more in the ECCC area. We figure they wait so long to announce they are canceled because of this factor.  It makes sense they don't want to take a loss until they have no choice. 

I think another factor may also be how many refund requests they get before the deadline.  I think that was a huge factor for ECCC once they opened up for refunds.
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Post by: sefton42 on April 05, 2020, 02:43:33 PM
And the head of ReedPop was actually interviewed recently, and he was the one who said insurance doesn't cover any of it.  ReedPop had to eat all losses due to postponing ECCC.  If ReedPop's insurance doesn't cover it, for all of the events they do, I assume SDCC's doesn't either.  So that really means that SDCC will wait until they are given no choice.  Which is also why it seems most cons kept saying "we're still on" for so long and when they canceled/postponed it was usually "the government told us we had to."
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Post by: hikanteki on April 05, 2020, 02:52:23 PM
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One main factor that is overlooked is the number of people out of work and very tight on money. That will most certainly have an effect on SDCC this year. SDCC is very expensive to attend.

Since SDCC has enough demand to sell out tickets many times over I don’t see this particular factor having a big effect on it. But it’s definitely a concern for shows that barely sell out/don’t sell out. Many conventions are not going to be able to make it out of this.
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Post by: f22raptor on April 05, 2020, 03:21:38 PM
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And the head of ReedPop was actually interviewed recently, and he was the one who said insurance doesn't cover any of it.  ReedPop had to eat all losses due to postponing ECCC.  If ReedPop's insurance doesn't cover it, for all of the events they do, I assume SDCC's doesn't either.  So that really means that SDCC will wait until they are given no choice.  Which is also why it seems most cons kept saying "we're still on" for so long and when they canceled/postponed it was usually "the government told us we had to."

SDCC should be fine if the nonprofit still has its reserves in place.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/watchdog/sdut-comic-con-non-profit-2016jul20-story.html%3f_amp=true
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Post by: sefton42 on April 05, 2020, 03:30:39 PM
Doesn't mean they just want to take a multi-million dollar hit though, especially since they probably took some hit from WonderCon being postponed.
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Post by: dcol on April 05, 2020, 03:49:08 PM
That's why I say they won't cancel unless forced to do so. So get your refund request ready by the cutoff if you aren't comfortable about going, which if you are, hopefully you had it and are immune now. Otherwise expect to get it and take your chances.
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Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 05, 2020, 04:04:27 PM
Maybe sdcc will get some help from that stimulus check
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Post by: sessionka on April 05, 2020, 05:05:59 PM
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i agree, CCI has to go along with whatever Gov. Newsom & Mayor Faulconer think best. The stories out of NYC are heart breaking.

I am coming around to changing my vote from 'yes with disinfectant' to 'No'

I would say take whatever images you are getting from the media with a grain of salt.

I live in NY. Not NYC, but in the suburbs.  I did a big drive around the NY metro area today.  I stayed in my car the entire time, and did not interact with anyone.  It was very easy, as there is no traffic (the only good thing about this crisis).  I drove by a number of hospitals, Urgent Cares, and a test center.  The test center is a pop up, and there was a line, but it was manageable.  The hospitals are obviously making additional provisions, but I didn't notice any long lines.  As for the Urgent Cares...The one I use didn't have any more cars than normal, and another one was closed (which surprised me).  What I also noticed were people were doing their best to go about their business.  People were walking, jogging, and biking.  Obviously there were a lot less, but some were out just the same.  Some wearing masks, and some not.  Mostly maintaining their distance, but there were couples holding hands.  I have to say, my spidey senses are not jiving with the concern I'm getting from my out of state friends.  I'm not saying this is not serious.  Obviously people dying is a serious matter.  I'm just saying hold off on your judgement on what's going on here (and everywhere), until more data comes in.

I'm a senior and 'technically' in the at risk group (over 65).  I'm still not changing my vote.   :)
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 05, 2020, 09:46:39 PM
I don't think there's any chance of comic-con happening this year.  I think the question is whether there will be a comic-con next year.

IMO, the only reason CCI hasn't cancelled is that it needs to be sure you can recoup as much of it's losses as it can from insurance.  That insurance probably will not pay out if they cancel by choice.  If they cancelled now, it would be by choice.  It doesn't matter how much demand there is for tickets if there's no CCI left to sell them.

This year is done.  There's the second wave that the government has finally started preparing the public for.  Would anyone go to a big con with the expectation that the second wave could happen while it's going on?  Even if they wanted to hold it, what studio has anything to promote?  Movie releases are an unknown.  Production has stopped on TV shows and movies.  Sports channels won't be the only outlet running reruns when the current content that's been produced runs out.
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Post by: alyssa on April 06, 2020, 08:13:28 AM
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I would say take whatever images you are getting from the media with a grain of salt.

I live in NY. Not NYC, but in the suburbs.  I did a big drive around the NY metro area today.  I stayed in my car the entire time, and did not interact with anyone.  It was very easy, as there is no traffic (the only good thing about this crisis).  I drove by a number of hospitals, Urgent Cares, and a test center.  The test center is a pop up, and there was a line, but it was manageable.  The hospitals are obviously making additional provisions, but I didn't notice any long lines.  As for the Urgent Cares...The one I use didn't have any more cars than normal, and another one was closed (which surprised me).  What I also noticed were people were doing their best to go about their business.  People were walking, jogging, and biking.  Obviously there were a lot less, but some were out just the same.  Some wearing masks, and some not.  Mostly maintaining their distance, but there were couples holding hands.  I have to say, my spidey senses are not jiving with the concern I'm getting from my out of state friends.  I'm not saying this is not serious.  Obviously people dying is a serious matter.  I'm just saying hold off on your judgement on what's going on here (and everywhere), until more data comes in.

I'm a senior and 'technically' in the at risk group (over 65).  I'm still not changing my vote.   :)
i hear u. The lack of traffic in SD is a small bit of joy. i'm learning to ride a motorcycle so it's especially nice. yes, i just ride about with no interactions also.
 It's nice just to get out of the house.
I've got a family friend who's a gp doc and practices close to the Tapinze Bridge- we haven't heard much aside from she's really busy tela-doc'ing. I haven't wanted to bother my emergency room friend who works on long island. Last i heard she was not confident with the preparations.
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
Should things go back to normal so quickly after an epidemic?  When it's not even clear that it's been dealt with?  The Chinese are doing that experiment right now.  Check out this line that would put any line at comic-con to shame.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/asia/china-coronavirus-tourist-warning-intl-hnk/index.html
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Post by: nootheroptions on April 06, 2020, 11:49:56 AM
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I don't think there's any chance of comic-con happening this year.  I think the question is whether there will be a comic-con next year.

IMO, the only reason CCI hasn't cancelled is that it needs to be sure you can recoup as much of it's losses as it can from insurance.  That insurance probably will not pay out if they cancel by choice.  If they cancelled now, it would be by choice.  It doesn't matter how much demand there is for tickets if there's no CCI left to sell them.

This year is done.  There's the second wave that the government has finally started preparing the public for.  Would anyone go to a big con with the expectation that the second wave could happen while it's going on?  Even if they wanted to hold it, what studio has anything to promote?  Movie releases are an unknown.  Production has stopped on TV shows and movies.  Sports channels won't be the only outlet running reruns when the current content that's been produced runs out.

I don't think there's any question if it'll happen next year.   By then that would be the tail end of the 18 month guideline for production of a vaccine.  Jan to Feb of 2020 to July 2021.  If anything there would be more of a drive to do it next year. 
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Post by: sefton42 on April 06, 2020, 12:15:16 PM
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Should things go back to normal so quickly after an epidemic?  When it's not even clear that it's been dealt with? 

Well let's see, we have some conservative politicians who have said that nothing should have shut down because the economy is more important, even if a lot of people die.  There are conservative members of the media who have advocated the same.  We have some governors who refuse to issue stay at home orders, and social distancing doesn't exist in some of those states.  We've had the most unemployment claims since 2009, and the longer this drags on, the more those claims will go up.  At some point people will be advocating to go back to work even if that risks getting infected because they have to pay bills and mortgages.  We have a president who wanted to reopen everything by Easter.  Yes, he extended social distancing recommendations to April 30, but he also said it would be better to end them early than to extend them again -- i.e. expect him to left them in May.  He also said over the weekend that he expects the NFL season to start on time.  Plus, it's an election year, and the state of the economy factors into how people vote.  So "should" things return to normal so quickly?  Probably not.  Do I think they will anyway due to politicians valuing their political careers and the economy over lives lost?  Absolutely.
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2020, 12:32:49 PM
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I don't think there's any question if it'll happen next year.   By then that would be the tail end of the 18 month guideline for production of a vaccine.  Jan to Feb of 2020 to July 2021.  If anything there would be more of a drive to do it next year.

That's "aspirational".  Vaccines normally take 24-60 months to develop.  And even then some vaccines that were thought to work, didn't.  18 months would be a breakneck speed.  They are getting to that date by foregoing the phase 2 and phase 3 clinical trials.  All but one that is.  One vaccine candidate is doing a phase 2.  The trial that proves it works.

Even it it could be done in that short a period of time, chances are there would not be much of it.  Enough for healthcare workers, first responders and people in government.  Not enough for you and me.

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Post by: nootheroptions on April 06, 2020, 12:41:43 PM
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That's "aspirational".  Vaccines normally take 24-60 months to develop.  And even then some vaccines that were thought to work, didn't.  18 months would be a breakneck speed.  They are getting to that date by foregoing the phase 2 and phase 3 clinical trials.  All but one that is.  One vaccine candidate is doing a phase 2.  The trial that proves it works.

Even it it could be done in that short a period of time, chances are there would not be much of it.  Enough for healthcare workers, first responders and people in government.  Not enough for you and me.

There's a 0% chance that the world is shut down this time next year.  While you say "aspirational" I say pragmatic.  There's a trillion reasons they will have public gatherings this time next year.  Less so because of SDCC's pull; more because of the national sporting leagues run by billionaires exerting influence and power.  Whether it's perfect? We don't know.  It's hard to predict what'll happen in a month let alone 18.  I just find it hard to believe.  ymmv. 
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2020, 01:56:43 PM
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There's a 0% chance that the world is shut down this time next year.  While you say "aspirational" I say pragmatic.  There's a trillion reasons they will have public gatherings this time next year.  Less so because of SDCC's pull; more because of the national sporting leagues run by billionaires exerting influence and power.  Whether it's perfect? We don't know.  It's hard to predict what'll happen in a month let alone 18.  I just find it hard to believe.  ymmv.

There's a huge difference between having the world shutdown and having large public gatherings.  The world gets along fine without large public events.  China reversed itself and closed it's movie theaters again.  This where they consider the virus defeated domestically.  Their concern is about people flying into China and bringing it back in.

Science doesn't work on a business schedule.  It happens when it happens.
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Post by: nootheroptions on April 06, 2020, 02:03:54 PM
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There's a huge difference between having the world shutdown and having large public gatherings.  The world gets along just fine without large public events.  China reversed itself and closed it's movie theaters again.  This where they consider the virus defeated.  Their concern is about people flying into China and bringing it back in.

Science doesn't work on a business schedule.  It happens when it happens.

We all know China is lying through their teeth about their numbers.  So I'm not sure how that's a salient point.  No one considers CV19 defeated there beyond Chinese nationals.   But that's off topic.  Anyway; no point in arguing over this.  My point stands; we don't know what next year holds.  But I'd be willing to bet large public gatherings (which are a billion dollar industry) will not hold for the next 2-5 years.  Just a hunch.  It's entire cities livelihoods like Las Vegas.  Security measures put in place? Sure. Outright cancellation? Let's earmark this and talk next July.
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Post by: sefton42 on April 06, 2020, 02:08:39 PM
Also, let's not forget that certain people in authority have limited to zero interest in what science says, especially when they think it might hurt their election chances.  You're talking about big events next year.  I believe the billion dollar big events will return by October, in time for the election.  And even if there is another resurgence of the virus, I think there is a 0% chance of another shutdown, regardless of the body count.
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Post by: TardisMom on April 06, 2020, 03:39:25 PM
What I think will be interesting is how individuals are reacting in say 6 months.  Even if the politicians reopen everything will people jump right back in?  Or will they keep on working from home, if possible?  Will they buy tickets to sit in a crowded sports stadium or concert venue?  Restaurants and smaller gatherings should rebound fairly quickly, if not at 100% of previous levels, but large gatherings could be a completely different story.  I know I'll be changing my behavior until there is a vaccine.

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Post by: sefton42 on April 06, 2020, 04:27:40 PM
Pretty sure people in southern states will riot if they can’t go to their college football games.  South Carolina hasn’t issued a stay at home order order and photos from there look like business as usual. If Clemson football started tomorrow, I’m sure every one of the 80,000 seats in the stadium would be taken.
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Post by: TardisMom on April 06, 2020, 04:38:19 PM
I'm a Buckeye fan so I totally get the desire/need to attend football games.  But c'mon people!
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Post by: sefton42 on April 06, 2020, 04:41:27 PM
And if the governor lifted the stay at home order and the season started tomorrow, can you really say thousands of people wouldn’t go to the game?
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Post by: dcol on April 06, 2020, 04:42:18 PM
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Pretty sure people in southern states will riot if they can’t go to their college football games.  South Carolina hasn’t issued a stay at home order order and photos from there look like business as usual. If Clemson football started tomorrow, I’m sure every one of the 80,000 seats in the stadium would be taken.
And at least 10K new cases of CV19. Do you really think SC is that stupid? I hope not or we will never get out from under this thing.
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Post by: TardisMom on April 06, 2020, 04:46:42 PM
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And if the governor lifted the stay at home order and the season started tomorrow, can you really say thousands of people wouldn’t go to the game?

Nope.  Thus the "c'mon people".
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Post by: sefton42 on April 06, 2020, 05:19:29 PM
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And at least 10K new cases of CV19. Do you really think SC is that stupid? I hope not or we will never get out from under this thing.

Well these pictures are from last week, so ... yes?  https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/pictures-that-show-how-bad-the-state-of-south-carolina?fbclid=IwAR2O-CYDZt_jOulrI-LD816uiPVVOPKnJAdZS_LPLZvb88BRYIvNzYSg6Jg

And let's also not forget that even though massive outbreaks have been traced back to religious services, despite local counties shutting down church services and arresting a pastor who bused a thousand congregants in for church services in violation of those orders, the stay at home order issued by Florida's governor lists churches as essential, so all of those religious services that pack the house still get to go as planned.

There was a small beach community in GA that shut down the beach because so many people were coming to it.  Then Georgia's governor issued an order keeping the beaches open and overturning any local ordinances closing those beaches.

And let's not forget, these are all states likely to reelect the President who wanted to reopen everything by Easter, and, who, in the middle of the pandemic, took the time to tweet about how great the ratings were for his daily conferences. 

So yes, I feel pretty confident that many people will attend big events as soon as possible regardless of coronavirus.  It's also why I'm not ruling out the possibility of SDCC happening this year -- not out of optimism, but out of cynicism.
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Post by: omraged9 on April 06, 2020, 05:50:39 PM
College football in the south is different from conventions or conferences in California though. We already see shelter in place working in CA. I can see the shutdown somewhat ending in CA eventually if we have some proper protection for everyone like having enough masks to go around but I don't see Gov. Newsom changing the law about limiting huge gatherings for a long time. He's already said that he doesn't see NFL season starting this year and NFL is much bigger than SDCC.
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Post by: sefton42 on April 06, 2020, 06:01:26 PM
But eventually other governors will cave too.  At this moment we look at what's going on in other states and say "wow, they are endangering so many lives."  But after things peak and we're still in lockdown, eventually people will say "hey, those people in those states get to go out and have football, I want to go too."  And then they'll start pushing their officials to reopen everything. 
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 06, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
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We all know China is lying through their teeth about their numbers.  So I'm not sure how that's a salient point.  No one considers CV19 defeated there beyond Chinese nationals.   But that's off topic.  Anyway; no point in arguing over this.  My point stands; we don't know what next year holds.  But I'd be willing to bet large public gatherings (which are a billion dollar industry) will not hold for the next 2-5 years.  Just a hunch.  It's entire cities livelihoods like Las Vegas.  Security measures put in place? Sure. Outright cancellation? Let's earmark this and talk next July.

Don't tell me you believe the US numbers?  The numbers are the numbers.  Our numbers are not reality either.

I'm not sure what your point is since in your last post you didn't think it was even possible that comic-con is not held next year.  Anyways I stand by my point, there will be no large gatherings until there is a vaccine.  I didn't say it would take 2-5 years.  I said it normally takes 2-5 years.  I explained what shortcuts are being taken now to have a vaccine in 12-18 months.

We'll see what happens next year.
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Post by: stl_ben on April 07, 2020, 06:16:52 AM
There are still large gatherings now.  There will be more large gathering before there is a vaccine.  You may not go to them...but they will happen.
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Post by: tsnyder on April 07, 2020, 07:03:22 AM
IF it still happens I'm still completely on board.  Would completely understand if celebs didn't have signings and interactions with the fans to keep some distancing.  With all the push back in schedules studios would have an amazing amount of footage to show and really want our dollars when theaters open back up.  Honestly though the thought of SDCC with about 1/3 less people at it sounds AMAZING.  I would be fine if we didn't have the normal exclusives if I could actually walk around the exhibit floor and gaslamp :)
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Post by: nootheroptions on April 07, 2020, 08:01:04 AM
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What I think will be interesting is how individuals are reacting in say 6 months.  Even if the politicians reopen everything will people jump right back in?  Or will they keep on working from home, if possible?  Will they buy tickets to sit in a crowded sports stadium or concert venue?  Restaurants and smaller gatherings should rebound fairly quickly, if not at 100% of previous levels, but large gatherings could be a completely different story.  I know I'll be changing my behavior until there is a vaccine.

For me it'll depend on the ability of them to detect things like antibodies in short order.  IF they have an easily available method so you can check to see I'd go back to living normally under the assumption you have immunity.  Or if they have a therapy that has like 90% efficacy.  Stuff like that. But for people that are immunocompromised, elderly, asthmatic, etc.  Seems a bad idea until a vaccine exists. 
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Post by: nootheroptions on April 07, 2020, 08:05:22 AM
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Don't tell me you believe the US numbers?  The numbers are the numbers.  Our numbers are not reality either.

I'm not sure what your point is since in your last post you didn't think it was even possible that comic-con is not held next year.  Anyways I stand by my point, there will be no large gatherings until there is a vaccine.  I didn't say it would take 2-5 years.  I said it normally takes 2-5 years.  I explained what shortcuts are being taken now to have a vaccine in 12-18 months.

We'll see what happens next year.

Your original post discussed China having supposedly defeated the virus.  That's what I addressed.  We disagree on the large gatherings; we don't even need to wait till July.  I bet by fall there will be large gatherings as others have said.  People will literally risk their lives to attend football games.  If you can quantify the risk above 70% level of safety even more so. This isn't directed at you in particular.  Not trying to target/antagonize you btw.  Just disagree that large gatherings will be stopped for 12-18 months. 
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Post by: NCDS on April 07, 2020, 08:11:17 AM
Just a friendly reminder I know anxiety is high but let's all be really nice to each other. 

This is a subject that is close to all our hearts and we are in the unknown so we all have opinions. 

The best practice is to be kind, and when in doubt if it could get ugly, be the bigger person and don't engage :)
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Post by: perc2100 on April 07, 2020, 09:57:29 AM
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IF it still happens I'm still completely on board.  Would completely understand if celebs didn't have signings and interactions with the fans to keep some distancing.  With all the push back in schedules studios would have an amazing amount of footage to show and really want our dollars when theaters open back up.  Honestly though the thought of SDCC with about 1/3 less people at it sounds AMAZING.  I would be fine if we didn't have the normal exclusives if I could actually walk around the exhibit floor and gaslamp :)
It would be interesting to see a smaller Comic-Con this year: something closer to when I started going in 2000.  Hollywood was still a factor, of course, as it pretty much always has been.  i suspect there would still be some Hollywood panels, just a lot less fan interaction (i.e. less signings, meet-and-greets, maybe less parties, etc).  I mean, most of the time the celebrities take SUVs from the back (front if you're facing the stage) of Hall H to the Hilton Bayfront immediately after the big panels anyway.  It wouldn't be difficult to shelter the talent in that way. 
There'd likely be less comic talent interactions too, which is a bit of a bummer, but I'd still go as well!
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Post by: accelerate on April 07, 2020, 01:17:46 PM
On the hypothetical that SDCC is cancelled, along with other cons that also have been cancelled, that might have a ripple effect of other cons that will still take place this year. I can see those having more artists & exhibitors, especially those that depend on revenue from cons. For example, Silicon Valley Comic Con (still hate the name SiliCon) in October might be bigger this year because some artists need the income and will venture out to San Jose for it. I can see NYCC being its biggest yet in terms of Hollywood presence.

Granted, cons may still be limited in scope in autumn if large gatherings are still disallowed / discouraged. And we may be in a full-blown recession by then, so cons may actually shrink in size or be cancelled due to that. So it's anyone's guess really what the first cons post-shelter-in-place will look like. But I like to look on the more optimistic (or delusional) side and think we may have a mini-boon of cons once things get back to normal.
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Post by: taka on April 07, 2020, 01:23:20 PM
I think we can say goodbye to NYCC too, its the world epicenter of the pandemic right now... but thats another subject
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Post by: sylent_asassin on April 07, 2020, 01:43:57 PM
If it was just me, I would go, but it's not just me. My wife, who goes with me has a poor immune system and my mom is elderly. Even if things are cleared up by July, I'm not sure that I could in good conscious risk their health and end up being an asymptomatic carrier.

In addition, the CDC and other health organizations have been wrong before on particulars surrounding the virus, so it stands that they could miscalculate come July. The powers that be, in a frantic, ill-conceived attempt to jumpstart the economy could open the country, businesses and approve gatherings and doom everyone thus causing a second wave. If that happened, everyone got sick all over again, and we all had to once again quarantine and isolate, we'd all be back to square one and the economy would never recover.

I found an interesting article directly related to SDCC:

https://www.cbr.com/coronavirus-beginning-of-the-end-super-conventions/
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Post by: Dino W on April 07, 2020, 02:21:26 PM
I would go but with the use of reasonable protective measures that I hope Comic-Con would require everyone to follow. These measures would include the wearing of a protective face mask that covers the mouth and nose, passing of a non-contact infrared thermometer check before entering the con, filling out a form attesting to the fact that they have not had contact with a COVID-19 carrier (as far as they know), they don't currently have symptoms, and maybe other questions as well. Maybe requiring that people wear gloves, maybe requiring that they have handkerchiefs on them to use in case they sneeze or cough, require social distancing (tough, I know). In general, require everyone to act as though they have the virus and have the responsibility to not spread it to others. Any other suggestions for measures that attendees should be required to follow?
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Post by: hikanteki on April 07, 2020, 11:21:17 PM
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I found an interesting article directly related to SDCC:

https://www.cbr.com/coronavirus-beginning-of-the-end-super-conventions/

I posted that earlier  ;)
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 08, 2020, 01:22:46 AM
Here is how MLB is considering operating in a world where there can be no large gatherings.  They are thinking about having all the games in the Phoenix area.  There are a lot of stadiums there for spring training.  Having all the games in the same metropolitan area would minimize travel and thus exposure.  The teams would play in empty stadiums for TV broadcast.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29008797/players-managers-intrigued-mlb-all-arizona-option
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Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 08, 2020, 02:11:48 AM
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Here is how MLB is considering operating in a world where there can be no large gatherings.  They are thinking about having all the games in the Phoenix area.  There are a lot of stadiums there for spring training.  Having all the games in the same metropolitan area would minimize travel and thus exposure.  The teams would play in empty stadiums for TV broadcast.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29008797/players-managers-intrigued-mlb-all-arizona-option

Could work. They did it for Wrestlemania.

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Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 08, 2020, 05:26:56 AM
If I was a ball player, I'm not sure I'd agree to be away from my family for 5 months. That's asking a lot of someone in this day and age.

But nice to see my local team get mentioned for playing in an empty stadium LOL
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Post by: nootheroptions on April 08, 2020, 07:38:25 AM
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If I was a ball player, I'm not sure I'd agree to be away from my family for 5 months. That's asking a lot of someone in this day and age.

But nice to see my local team get mentioned for playing in an empty stadium LOL

You're already away from your family for 5 months.  Have you ever seen their travel schedules?  It's nuts.
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Post by: nootheroptions on April 08, 2020, 07:44:48 AM
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I think we can say goodbye to NYCC too, its the world epicenter of the pandemic right now... but thats another subject

As someone that lives in NY; I think NYCC will be canceled but not for the reason you're thinking.  Javits Center right now is home to a temporary hospital.  I don't know what the plan is for ramp down on that.  Medical admissions are down in NYC and come October I think it'll be mostly normalized. NYC will have a semblance of normality by then; the economy here is to big not to figure it out.  But I don't know if there will be any place to put it.  Javits is the biggest space in NYC; the only other place to put it would be Piers 94/92 but negotiating and executing a contract to absorb all that space by October seems unlikely to me.
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Post by: YouThinkMeMad on April 08, 2020, 07:45:18 AM
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You're already away from your family for 5 months.  Have you ever seen their travel schedules?  It's nuts.

Yes but they are ALLOWED to go home, bring their family with them if they like, or be at their home during their "Home" games. To be stuck for months away from them is a different story. Especially if any of the players have SO's that are expecting.
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Post by: sefton42 on April 08, 2020, 08:16:14 AM
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As someone that lives in NY; I think NYCC will be canceled but not for the reason you're thinking.  Javits Center right now is home to a temporary hospital.  I don't know what the plan is for ramp down on that.  Medical admissions are down in NYC and come October I think it'll be mostly normalized. NYC will have a semblance of normality by then; the economy here is to big not to figure it out.  But I don't know if there will be any place to put it.  Javits is the biggest space in NYC; the only other place to put it would be Piers 94/92 but negotiating and executing a contract to absorb all that space by October seems unlikely to me.

It’s only a temporary hospital while NYC’s hospitals are overwhelmed, and there’s evidence NYC is reaching its peak.  They ramped it up as a temporary hospital in about a week, I don’t think it would then take months to wind it down.
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Post by: Dino W on April 08, 2020, 08:21:56 AM
Masked Crowds Fill Streets, Trains After Wuhan Lockdown Ends
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e8d9f74c5b62459a93187ac 

Interesting passage: Wuhan residents are now permitted to leave without special authorization as long as a mandatory smartphone application powered by a mix of data-tracking and government surveillance shows they are healthy and have not been in recent contact with anyone confirmed to have the virus.

This could be a screening measure for  attendees to be allowed in to events like SDCC or the MLB games. It might be considered invasive of one's privacy and difficult to implement, but I think it would be okay with enough people to make some events worth holding.


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Post by: chocolateshake on April 08, 2020, 12:13:44 PM
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Interesting passage: Wuhan residents are now permitted to leave without special authorization as long as a mandatory smartphone application powered by a mix of data-tracking and government surveillance shows they are healthy and have not been in recent contact with anyone confirmed to have the virus.

This could be a screening measure for  attendees to be allowed in to events like SDCC or the MLB games. It might be considered invasive of one's privacy and difficult to implement, but I think it would be okay with enough people to make some events worth holding.

I've mentioned that app in China before.  They do something similar in Singapore and Europe is looking into it.  While it would be great for everyday errand running with low density.  In China they scan and show their status before entering a store for example.  In high density it would be problematic.  No matter how far out the check points are for a perimeter, somewhere there would be a group of people waiting to get in.  They could try to structure entry to try to prevent that, maybe only allow someone in at an appointed time.  Airlines have been trying to do that for decades and it's always a tangled mess at the boarding gate.  Until you are in the secured area, the person standing behind you in line breathing on your neck could be infected.
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Post by: FlamedLiquid on April 08, 2020, 02:37:54 PM
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Masked Crowds Fill Streets, Trains After Wuhan Lockdown Ends
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e8d9f74c5b62459a93187ac 

Interesting passage: Wuhan residents are now permitted to leave without special authorization as long as a mandatory smartphone application powered by a mix of data-tracking and government surveillance shows they are healthy and have not been in recent contact with anyone confirmed to have the virus.

This could be a screening measure for  attendees to be allowed in to events like SDCC or the MLB games. It might be considered invasive of one's privacy and difficult to implement, but I think it would be okay with enough people to make some events worth holding.

More ways for the goverment to spy on everyone. Yippee

On one hand its smart. But on the other hand you know they will probably be using that app for invading privacy.

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Post by: Mario Wario on April 08, 2020, 03:04:21 PM
 https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-08/california-coronavirus-trends (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-08/california-coronavirus-trends)

“ California won’t be lifting coronavirus stay-at-home rules anytime soon. Here’s why” — LA Times
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Post by: DaveG on April 08, 2020, 03:39:16 PM
I think the logistics of safely holding any large event in the next several months is going to be problematic.  It's been clearly stated that someone can have Covid-19 and display no symptoms for several days while still spreading the virus.  So any test for fever, coughing or runny nose is not going to catch everyone.  And even if you do fail those tests, you could just have a cold.  Without a full Covid-19 test, you really don't know for sure.  And if you do fail a test, what then?  You didn't know you had it.  Is SDCC going to give you a full refund for now not being able to attend the con?  Will the hotel refund your cost.  Any travel, like airfare is probably a lost cost and you can't even attend the con.  And the airline probably won't even let you fly back home.  Are they going to trace back everyone you came into contact with before failing a test and quarantine them?

So, the only way I see this working is if SDCC (and the local and state government agencies) are willing to roll the dice and let people attend the con at their own risk.  They can mandate something like facemasks, but again, what if someone steals your facemask?  Will they provide replacements for free (honestly, I think themed facemasks will make for great swag in the future).  No matter what, it's a risk.  If local constituents feel that travelers will spread the virus in their community, will politicians risk that backlash?  Of course, there's also the local business's who count on the money generated by the con.  They might push for it to move forward. 

I guess the bottom line to me is that holding the con before a vaccine and/or antibody test is widely available is going to be a risk, and that risk is to lives.  Is SDCC willing to take that risk?  I guess we'll find out in the near future.
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Post by: sessionka on April 08, 2020, 09:02:37 PM
An Englishman in San Diego,   @EnglishmanSDCC  ,interviewed Mike Armstrong VP of ReedPop.  He talked about how the virus has impacted their schedules.  They've had to push back a number of their Cons, as a lot of people on this forum know.  One of their Cons, Florida SuperCon, is scheduled for the weekend of July 4th.  He was asked about CCI delaying their decision, and of course he was certain CCI will make a responsible decision.  One of the comments he made, and I paraphrase... "A good San Diego begets a good Comic Con Industry".  His whole interview begins around 37 minutes into the show.  I recommend it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diXk1lI7zsw&t=3656s
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Post by: Chris on April 08, 2020, 09:22:54 PM
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An Englishman in San Diego,   @EnglishmanSDCC  ,interviewed Mike Armstrong VP of ReedPop.  He talked about how the virus has impacted their schedules.  They've had to push back a number of their Cons, as a lot of people on this forum know.  One of their Cons, Florida SuperCon, is scheduled for the weekend of July 4th.  He was asked about CCI delaying their decision, and of course he was certain CCI will make a responsible decision.  One of the comments he made, and I paraphrase... "A good San Diego begets a good Comic Con Industry".  His whole interview begins around 37 minutes into the show.  I recommend it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diXk1lI7zsw&t=3656s

Leonard!  He's so cool.
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 08, 2020, 10:40:57 PM
I agree with what you are saying.

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Are they going to trace back everyone you came into contact with before failing a test and quarantine them?

Yes, that's the way that epidemics are fought.  Through contact tracing and targeted quarantines.  That's what Singapore does.  That's what Europe is trying to do.  If someone tests positive, then an email would go out to everyone that was within 2 meters of that person for the last two weeks telling them to self isolate.

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More ways for the goverment to spy on everyone. Yippee

That already happens to an extent that most people don't realize.  Privacy is an illusion in the United States.  Ask for a copy of the file that the data aggregators have on you.  It's surprisingly complete.  You may learn some things about yourself that you didn't know.
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Post by: cciveg on April 08, 2020, 11:05:05 PM
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Here is how MLB is considering operating in a world where there can be no large gatherings.  They are thinking about having all the games in the Phoenix area.  There are a lot of stadiums there for spring training.  Having all the games in the same metropolitan area would minimize travel and thus exposure.  The teams would play in empty stadiums for TV broadcast.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29008797/players-managers-intrigued-mlb-all-arizona-option

Doesnt Tampa Bay already play in an empty stadium?
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Post by: Mario Wario on April 09, 2020, 08:50:17 AM
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Doesnt Tampa Bay already play in an empty stadium?
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Post by: realninjaturtle on April 09, 2020, 09:12:11 AM
IMO, I see SDCC this year being a bust whether this pandemics eases up or not. Guests and Exhibitors are not going to risk it and I would like to see a list of cancellations from them posted on the SDCC site. Face facts, nothing will get back to normal until a vaccine or cure is released and available to everyone. Is it worth going to a show with empty booths and panels? Let alone being in an indoor crowded space with thousands of people. Based on some of the attitudes posted in this thread and 24 pollsters that would go no matter what, I have to assume even if they knowingly could spread it, they would go.
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Post by: realninjaturtle on April 09, 2020, 10:20:58 AM
Seems many vendors will be selling their exclusives online now. I am getting WonderCon exclusive sales now. I don't think anyone will have to risk the virus just to get the exclusives they want.
Vendors will need to make up for lost sales and guests will be posting on social media. They may even do some panels online. So don't fret. It will all come together. Stay safe.
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Post by: NCDS on April 09, 2020, 02:05:36 PM
Tom Hanks can be a guest!   All panels with Tom Hanks!   
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Post by: sefton42 on April 09, 2020, 02:42:31 PM
And Idris Elba!
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Post by: Virgo911 on April 09, 2020, 04:10:36 PM
I don't know. Obviously, a convention is not worth catching a potentially deadly disease, but I know FOMO may tempt me into taking the risk. I don't have any preexisting conditions and I'm not elderly... Who knows.
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Post by: Mario Wario on April 09, 2020, 07:40:36 PM
 https://www.ksbw.com/article/new-study-investigates-californias-possible-herd-immunity-to-covid-19/32073873 (https://www.ksbw.com/article/new-study-investigates-californias-possible-herd-immunity-to-covid-19/32073873)

“New study investigates California's possible herd immunity to COVID-19” — KSBW8

What if the virus was spreading last fall?
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Post by: chocolateshake on April 09, 2020, 08:33:49 PM
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https://www.ksbw.com/article/new-study-investigates-californias-possible-herd-immunity-to-covid-19/32073873 (https://www.ksbw.com/article/new-study-investigates-californias-possible-herd-immunity-to-covid-19/32073873)

“New study investigates California's possible herd immunity to COVID-19” — KSBW8

What if the virus was spreading last fall?

It was spreading last fall.  That's why their was an intelligence briefing warning of this epidemic last fall.  It was ignored.

I don't see how it could have spread silently in California.  The one thing that's true in every country it touches is that there are deaths.  There should have been a lot of unexplained deaths or deaths attributed to the flu.  In order for herd immunity to work, at least half the population has to have had it and are now immune.  If 20 million people had covid in California, I would expect there to have been a noticeable number of deaths.

Countries have tried going the herd immunity route.  Both the UK and Sweden did.  They both had to abruptly end those policies when too many people started dying.  Iceland did a study to see how many people had been exposed to covid, their results were less than 1% of the population.  Much to low to have herd immunity.
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Post by: rabbitwarren on April 10, 2020, 07:10:03 AM
What many people fail to realize is that for some people, large crowds are a way of life. Whenever Cuomo and De Blasio lift the lockdown, I have this to look forward to everyday.

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160120/union-square/l-train-delays-leave-union-square-platform-packed-during-evening-rush/

And I get to be stuck in this for an hour every morning and an hour every evening

https://www.instagram.com/p/BwFrdnzgPrz/?igshid=1g51sy4pmfebr

I figure my chances of getting sick at a large event and getting sick on the subway are pretty even. Interestingly, my instances of con crud seem to be inversely correlated to the amount of time I had been taking public transportation in the months prior.  The years I caught con crud were the years I was either able to walk to work or was living in a city without public transport.  I probably already caught whatever I was going to catch on the way to work.
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Post by: sefton42 on April 10, 2020, 08:43:36 AM
Exactly.  I'm an attorney who goes to court often in some of the state's busiest jurisdictions.  I also have to meet clients sometimes.  I'm not sure my risk at a con is that much greater than my risk in everyday life.  Plus the friends I generally spend time with at the con at least I know take it seriously and will be careful; I don't necessarily know that about the people I'll be around for work when life resumes.
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Post by: nootheroptions on April 10, 2020, 01:39:36 PM
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It was spreading last fall.  That's why their was an intelligence briefing warning of this epidemic last fall.  It was ignored.

I don't see how it could have spread silently in California.  The one thing that's true in every country it touches is that there are deaths.  There should have been a lot of unexplained deaths or deaths attributed to the flu.  In order for herd immunity to work, at least half the population has to have had it and are now immune.  If 20 million people had covid in California, I would expect there to have been a noticeable number of deaths.

Countries have tried going the herd immunity route.  Both the UK and Sweden did.  They both had to abruptly end those policies when too many people started dying.  Iceland did a study to see how many people had been exposed to covid, their results were less than 1% of the population.  Much to low to have herd immunity.

This is incorrect on the Sweden front.  Their own health minister spoke on it and said that is NOT what they are doing. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/europe/sweden-lockdown-turmp-intl/index.html

"Foreign Minister Ann Linde told Swedish TV on Wednesday that Trump was "factually wrong" to suggest that Sweden was following the "herd immunity" theory -- of letting enough people catch the virus while protecting the vulnerable, meaning a country's population builds up immunity against the disease. " 


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Post by: susanml10881 on April 11, 2020, 09:18:41 AM
Even if there were panels and screenings, would there be much to show? The entertainment industry has essentially shut down too? No one is filming, movie releases have been pushed back or dropped to streaming. Comic book stores are closed. Online panels wouldn’t be the same.

It doesn’t seem safe until a vaccine is available and accessible to all.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 09, 2020, 05:02:29 AM
According to the President yesterday, Coronavirus is going to disappear without a vaccine, so I assume that means that very soon we’ll have nothing to worry about going to cons!
(oozing sarcasm)
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Post by: DaveG on May 09, 2020, 05:25:53 AM
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According to the President yesterday, Coronavirus is going to disappear without a vaccine, so I assume that means that very soon we’ll have nothing to worry about going to cons!
(oozing sarcasm)

Well, if you read further into the discussion, he said it might come back again in fall and then we'll see small outbreaks after that, but eventually it will go away. In other words, don't hold me to my quote before the election, just trust me and after I'm elected again we'll see what happens.
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Post by: Dino W on May 09, 2020, 07:45:35 AM
He also said he says what he thinks even when the experts tell him not to. So even if what he thinks makes no sense, medically or otherwise, he will say it!
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Post by: sefton42 on May 09, 2020, 07:48:09 AM
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He also said he says what he thinks even when the experts tell him not to. So even if what he thinks makes no sense, medically or otherwise, he will say it!

Unfortunately, a lot of people will go by what he says because it’s what they want to hear.
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Post by: perc2100 on May 10, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
Feels like cheating at this point, but I did remove/change my vote today.  At first I was stead-fast in the "let's wait & see!" side when this first went live, naively hoping we'd have made progress as a nation between mid-March and late-July.  Now, I have zero faith anything will change anytime soon (short of "change" being "things are opening but more people are being lax which leads to more sickness & deaths") and changed my vote to 'Absolutely Not.'
I felt anxiety going to my local Target this morning to pick up groceries I had pre-ordered: all I had to do was open my trunk, wait for an amazingly awesome employee to put the few bags into the trunk & shut the door, and then drive off.  I didn't have to leave my vehicle or talk to anyone outside my car (though I made sure to thank the employee).  If I had anxiety in an incredibly low-stress situation, there's no way I wouldn't be having panic attacks around 100,000+ people downtown.

I don't even know how I'll fell next July, to be honest.  My wife has asthma and is considered 'at risk,' so I fear doing anything that could endanger her (let alone our kids).  We'll see.

But for 2020, second Sunday of May my vote is changed from 'I'll be there' to 'Absolutely Not'

Looking forward to at-home Virtual Comic-Con though!!
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Post by: sefton42 on May 10, 2020, 12:33:08 PM
I’ve been doing Target/Walmart/grocery store/warehouse club regularly.  But I’m an attorney, and on the 18th, some courts around me will resume.  The idea of going back to doing court dockets makes me nervous as hell, because unlike stores, court’s usually not a get in/get out situation, and you’re around a lot of people that you don’t know, and I don’t see how social distancing will be possible.
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 10, 2020, 08:46:58 PM
I was a no to start with and continue to be a no.  If anything I'm more solidly a no now then 2 months ago.  Things are worst now then they were 2 months ago.  Unlike a lot of things that are scary in the beginning because so much is unknown, the more we learn about the effects of covid the worst it gets.  2 months ago only the old had to worry.  Now, even the very young have to worry.  Their symptoms and complications are different but no less worrying.  2 months ago it was just a respiratory illness.  Now, it's clear that covid has systematic effects.  2 months ago getting hospitalize was hopeful salvation.  So we didn't want to overwhelm the hospitals.  Now, if you are so sick to be hospitalize, it's not good.  If you have to be put on a ventilator then hopefully your affairs are in order.  Whether hospitals are in good shape or not doesn't seem to matter much since if you are sick enough for a hospital, the prognosis is not good.

For the US, I'm more pessimistic about the situation now than 2 months ago.  I really thought we would get it together and do the right thing.  We haven't.  It's like the novelty has worn off and now people are over it.  Look at our numbers.  We haven't even plateaued yet let alone started to down slope.  Yet all over the country we are acting like it's already over.  I don't think this is going to end well.  Other countries, like Singapore, used the lull after the first wave to prepare for the second.  They are taking the respite to build out their ability to respond.  We aren't even in a lull yet and we are dismantling ours.

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I felt anxiety going to my local Target this morning to pick up groceries I had pre-ordered: all I had to do was open my trunk, wait for an amazingly awesome employee to put the few bags into the trunk & shut the door, and then drive off.

I love the drive up trunk pickups.  It's truly no contact.  I don't even have to roll down the windows.  I've decided to switch over to that instead of ordering anything shipped.  The selection is so much better and the goods are in much better shape.  Shipping food is not a good thing, it turns out .  I had to switch over.  The dog stopped eating canned meat.  I had to get her the fresh stuff.  I can't let the dog starve.
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Post by: TardisMom on May 11, 2020, 08:28:33 AM
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For the US, I'm more pessimistic about the situation now than 2 months ago.  I really thought we would get it together and do the right thing.  We haven't.  It's like the novelty has worn off and now people are over it.  Look at our numbers.  We haven't even plateaued yet let alone started to down slope.  Yet all over the country we are acting like it's already over.  I don't think this is going to end well.  Other countries, like Singapore, used the lull after the first wave to prepare for the second.  They are taking the respite to build out their ability to respond.  We aren't even in a lull yet and we are dismantling ours.

THIS.

I'd hoped people would be responsible.  I guess not.  Very disheartening.

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Post by: jamiesugah on May 11, 2020, 11:59:17 AM
I was originally "yes with lots of disinfectant" but I changed my vote to "no". After seeing the behavior of people in states that are opening back up (and the fact that states ARE opening back up - NY extended it's stay-at-home until June) and how people refuse to even do the basic courtesy of wearing a mask, you can't trust people to not put everyone else at risk. Also I saw a tweet from a doctor who had flown to NYC to help and was on his way home, and the airline (United, I think) had emailed a week prior saying that the middle seat would be empty on all flights, but in his tweet was a picture of a full flight.
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Post by: Miclpea on May 11, 2020, 12:17:50 PM
Just me but United has behaved very badly through this entire epidemic.


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Post by: chocolateshake on May 13, 2020, 12:11:05 PM
So much for my extreme stay at home program.  The dog got sick and I had to take her to the vet.  Can't really practice social distancing with pets.  So basically I did a group hug with every person that went to that vet yesterday.  I did bath her when we got home but she doesn't let me wash her head.  Where do most people pet dogs?
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I was a no to start with and continue to be a no.  If anything I'm more solidly a no now then 2 months ago.  Things are worst now then they were 2 months ago.  Unlike a lot of things that are scary in the beginning because so much is unknown, the more we learn about the effects of covid the worst it gets.  2 months ago only the old had to worry.  Now, even the very young have to worry.  Their symptoms and complications are different but no less worrying.  2 months ago it was just a respiratory illness.  Now, it's clear that covid has systematic effects.  2 months ago getting hospitalize was hopeful salvation.  So we didn't want to overwhelm the hospitals.  Now, if you are so sick to be hospitalize, it's not good.  If you have to be put on a ventilator then hopefully your affairs are in order.  Whether hospitals are in good shape or not doesn't seem to matter much since if you are sick enough for a hospital, the prognosis is not good.

For the US, I'm more pessimistic about the situation now than 2 months ago.  I really thought we would get it together and do the right thing.  We haven't.  It's like the novelty has worn off and now people are over it.  Look at our numbers.  We haven't even plateaued yet let alone started to down slope.  Yet all over the country we are acting like it's already over.  I don't think this is going to end well.  Other countries, like Singapore, used the lull after the first wave to prepare for the second.  They are taking the respite to build out their ability to respond.  We aren't even in a lull yet and we are dismantling ours.

I love the drive up trunk pickups.  It's truly no contact.  I don't even have to roll down the windows.  I've decided to switch over to that instead of ordering anything shipped.  The selection is so much better and the goods are in much better shape.  Shipping food is not a good thing, it turns out .  I had to switch over.  The dog stopped eating canned meat.  I had to get her the fresh stuff.  I can't let the dog starve.

Yeah you bring up a great point about what seems like daily "information updates" I've read from various science & medical studies/reports online.  When this first hit in March I seriously thought, "wow: this sucks for old people but seems relatively benign for younger-than-60ish." 
Since then, I've had friends younger than me + in better shape than me get hit HARD by COVID-19.  It took until yesterday for a Broadway star w/no preexisting conditions (anyone who's seen a musical knows that Broadway stars have to be in crazy-good shape) be in a coma for weeks, on a ventilator since April 1, and had to have a leg amputated due to complications from being on a ventilator!

I'm by no means an 'alarmist' or whatnot: while I'm in my low-40's w/kids & a wife I still feel young enough that I'm not intimidated by stuff and generally do what I want, danger-be-damned.  But after getting first-hand details from friends of mine that have had to spend weeks in the hospital PLUS learning this thing impacts people differently and potentially long-term, I'm shook.  I think people are literally insane/brain-damaged to want to go out into crowds w/out at least a viable mask.  I've seen what this does to relatively young (low-30's) healthy people & I would not want to risk that.  CCI absolutely made the right call
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So much for my extreme stay at home program.  The dog got sick and I had to take her to the vet.  Can't really practice social distancing with pets.  So basically I did a group hug with every person that went to that vet yesterday.  I did bath her when we got home but she doesn't let me wash her head.  Where do most people pet dogs?

Wow. My vet made me stay in my car. They used their own leash, not mine. They took her in without me and came back out with the diagnosis. I only went in to pay and there was only one other person there because everyone was in their car. The staff were covered in face masks and gloves.
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 13, 2020, 05:48:25 PM
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Wow. My vet made me stay in my car. They used their own leash, not mine. They took her in without me and came back out with the diagnosis. I only went in to pay and there was only one other person there because everyone was in their car. The staff were covered in face masks and gloves.

My vet did something similar.  We don't even go into pay, they bring a hand unit out to us.  But unless people kept their pet isolated for days before bringing them in and wore gloves, mask, and at least an apron when transporting them then whatever the people have is on their pets.  So when the vet and techs handle their patients then what's on them is now on the vet and techs.  I don't think they change out their scrubs or even their gloves after each patient.  I doubt they disinfect the holding kennel after each patient either.  So what's on every person is transferred onto the pets which is transferred to the vet staff and facilities which is transferred onto my dog which is transferred to me when she's handed back to me.  Transference, it's a group hug.  If it wasn't urgent, I would have made an appointment as early in the morning as possible.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 18, 2020, 06:28:48 PM
If CCI were willing to do the con in Wisconsin, they could hold it today!
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Post by: sefton42 on May 19, 2020, 07:17:27 PM
For anyone who thought there would be no cons in 2020, Tampa Bay Comic Con was given the green light to go forward in July today.  Temperature checks and hand sanitizer, but nothing about reduced capacity or 6 foot distance.  https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/news/2020/05/19/tampa-bay-comic-con-gets-the-green-light-july.html
45,000-60,000 attendees.
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For anyone who thought there would be no cons in 2020, Tampa Bay Comic Con was given the green light to go forward in July today.  Temperature checks and hand sanitizer, but nothing about reduced capacity or 6 foot distance.  https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/news/2020/05/19/tampa-bay-comic-con-gets-the-green-light-july.html
45,000-60,000 attendees.
Wow! Are any celebrities going there?


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Post by: sefton42 on May 19, 2020, 07:20:40 PM
Unless they cancel (which hopefully they do), headliners are Tom Felton and Paul Bettany.
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Post by: omraged9 on May 19, 2020, 08:51:49 PM
Amazing that they're going ahead with the con. Even if I weren't afraid of getting infected, I wouldn't pay upfront money for tickets if my goal were to see the celebrity guests. I'm pretty sure most if not all will cancel. I know the con organizers wouldn't be giving any refunds for cancelled guests.
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Post by: NCDS on May 20, 2020, 11:50:30 AM
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Wow! Are any celebrities going there?


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I was think ing the same thing!!!
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Post by: stl_ben on May 21, 2020, 06:54:47 AM
Sounds like Greedy con organizers because you know most guests are going to cancel if they can afford to.  Leaving attendees with non-refundable badges to an event with minimal draw.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 21, 2020, 06:58:23 AM
Well it’s FL ... may not be minimal draw.
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Well it’s FL ... may not be minimal draw.
Sorry meant attendees will be happy to go, creatives I imagine will mostly cancel.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 21, 2020, 07:13:12 AM
Depends — with no cons in 4 months, some may desperately need the money.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 22, 2020, 04:57:00 AM
Trump also confirmed yesterday, what I expected to be the case — there will be no shutdown if there is a second wave in the fall.  So you can bet that a lot of cons in the second half of the year in red states will proceed as planned.
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Trump also confirmed yesterday, what I expected to be the case — there will be no shutdown if there is a second wave in the fall.  So you can bet that a lot of cons in the second half of the year in red states will proceed as planned.

Hopefully governors will take the lead and shut down their own states.  Not holding my breath though.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 22, 2020, 11:02:30 AM
That’s why I said red states, but several of those governors will blindly follow Trump’s lead.  And if some states do shut down while many others stay open, I wonder if those shut down states will be sued by DOJ.
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Post by: TardisMom on May 22, 2020, 11:03:53 AM
Trump says he is leaving stuff up to the governors.  We'll see if we can trust his word on this (hahahahahahaha).
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Post by: sefton42 on May 22, 2020, 11:06:43 AM
While he tweets his support to “liberate” blue states that aren’t rushing to reopen.
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Post by: DaveG on May 22, 2020, 11:59:34 AM
What ends up happening in the blue states is that you still have red legislators who file suit and claim the governor doesn't have the authority to maintain a shutdown. Then, if the courts are red, as they are here in Wisconsin, the court rules in their favor rendering the governor powerless to do anything. Then it's up to the local municipalities.  Only a few exercised their authority to maintain a shutdown and now they are being sued. And in some cases the suits are seeking monetary damages for maintaining illegal shutdown. Stay tuned.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 22, 2020, 12:32:20 PM
Yeah, the motto of the GOP in Wisconsin seems to be “We’re willing to kill as many people as it takes to stay in power.”
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Yeah, the motto of the GOP in Wisconsin seems to be “We’re willing to kill as many people as it takes to stay in power.”

That demographic tends to be older, no? They also don't wear masks. Darwin might take care of them so that they are too sick to go to the polls to vote. Because, you know, that group only wants to vote at polls. Or, maybe they will spread it to each other at the polls. Didn't they do that once already?
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Post by: sefton42 on May 22, 2020, 12:55:54 PM
Well if he holds his big arena packed rallies like he plans to, there’s also a possibility that it will spread there.
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Well if he holds his big arena packed rallies like he plans to, there’s also a possibility that it will spread there.

Especially if they all insist on not wearing masks.
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Post by: susanml10881 on May 22, 2020, 07:31:54 PM
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So much for my extreme stay at home program.  The dog got sick and I had to take her to the vet.  Can't really practice social distancing with pets.  So basically I did a group hug with every person that went to that vet yesterday.  I did bath her when we got home but she doesn't let me wash her head.  Where do most people pet dogs?

Oh gee, I had to take my dog in too because she wasn’t eating but they weren’t letting people inside. It’s a drive up/ drop off situation. They take your card and bring the paperwork out to you in your car for payment too. Did the same for my foster dog. All the vets are pretty much doing that here. I’ve read conflicting things on animal transmissions.

People are being dumb now and just tired of staying in. It’s not just the ‘freedom’ protests.
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Post by: susanml10881 on May 22, 2020, 07:32:55 PM
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For anyone who thought there would be no cons in 2020, Tampa Bay Comic Con was given the green light to go forward in July today.  Temperature checks and hand sanitizer, but nothing about reduced capacity or 6 foot distance.  https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/news/2020/05/19/tampa-bay-comic-con-gets-the-green-light-july.html
45,000-60,000 attendees.

I was reading about that earlier. Of course it’s Florida. I was wondering who the organizer was. Temp checks aren’t really sufficient. I read Universal in Orlando was opening soon. June 3? Eek.
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Post by: vegasndn on May 22, 2020, 07:48:17 PM
Already made other plans so nope I wouldn’t go, by other plans I mean work. See you all next year at SDCC.


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Post by: sefton42 on May 27, 2020, 06:59:13 AM
Atlanta Comic-Con has been given the green light for July 31-Aug 2.  Pretty sure that means DragonCon will go forward as scheduled too.
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Atlanta Comic-Con has been given the green light for July 31-Aug 2.  Pretty sure that means DragonCon will go forward as scheduled too.

Wow.  Kemp just doesn't get it.
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Atlanta Comic-Con has been given the green light for July 31-Aug 2.  Pretty sure that means DragonCon will go forward as scheduled too.


I believe more data will confirm that the recovery rate is well north of 99% (IMO). 

Good for them.   :) :)
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I believe more data will confirm that the recovery rate is well north of 99% (IMO). 

Good for them.   :) :)

_IF_ that's the case (and right now that's mere speculation), that says NOTHING about the long-term effects this disease is potentially exhibiting: or the complications from the disease (such as a 'newer' discovery that it's causing young adults to have severe strokes; or children to have significant circulatory issues; or how lungs are not recovering 100% in many patients).  Or other complications due to the treatment of COVID-19 that could require intubation; there's a Broadway star who had to be put into a coma after intubation.  Because intubation messes with blood flow to lungs and whatnot, it screwed up his circulatory system and he had to have a leg amputated.  He came out of the coma for awhile before taking a bad "turn" and I haven't seen any updates since.

I mean, going to a convention is a relatively stupid thing if the exchange is being in the hospital for several weeks in potentially excruciating pain for a 'moderate' case, not accounting for a more serious 'version' or complications.  I mean, cons are annual & I can wait this out if it's a matter of risking getting sick or dying, or infecting my high-risk wife.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 27, 2020, 11:39:37 AM
Or bringing it home with you and inadvertently passing it in to a loved one who dies from it.
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_IF_ that's the case (and right now that's mere speculation), that says NOTHING about the long-term effects this disease is potentially exhibiting: or the complications from the disease (such as a 'newer' discovery that it's causing young adults to have severe strokes; or children to have significant circulatory issues; or how lungs are not recovering 100% in many patients).  Or other complications due to the treatment of COVID-19 that could require intubation; there's a Broadway star who had to be put into a coma after intubation.  Because intubation messes with blood flow to lungs and whatnot, it screwed up his circulatory system and he had to have a leg amputated.  He came out of the coma for awhile before taking a bad "turn" and I haven't seen any updates since.

I mean, going to a convention is a relatively stupid thing if the exchange is being in the hospital for several weeks in potentially excruciating pain for a 'moderate' case, not accounting for a more serious 'version' or complications.  I mean, cons are annual & I can wait this out if it's a matter of risking getting sick or dying, or infecting my high-risk wife.

That's the thing that some people aren't considering.  Just because you recover, doesn't mean you recovered unscathed.  Long term effects can be many things including reduction in lung function.

Also, just because it's mild doesn't mean it can't linger for a long time.  Chris Cuomo continued to work during his mild illness so it's a good well documented look into what that entails.  It went on for weeks.  Including how he was isolated in his house but everyone living there still caught it.  Covid isn't just about you, it's about everyone around you.  There are people into the months now that still haven't shaken their mild bout with covid.  You know how it sucks to have a cold for a couple of days.  Picture that over 2 months.

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Post by: sessionka on May 27, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
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_IF_ that's the case (and right now that's mere speculation), that says NOTHING about the long-term effects this disease is potentially exhibiting: or the complications from the disease (such as a 'newer' discovery that it's causing young adults to have severe strokes; or children to have significant circulatory issues; or how lungs are not recovering 100% in many patients).  Or other complications due to the treatment of COVID-19 that could require intubation; there's a Broadway star who had to be put into a coma after intubation.  Because intubation messes with blood flow to lungs and whatnot, it screwed up his circulatory system and he had to have a leg amputated.  He came out of the coma for awhile before taking a bad "turn" and I haven't seen any updates since.


This can be said about any of the viruses we encounter.  We have to decide if we want to take the risk.  I totally understand if you didn't want to expose your wife.  I don't have any high risk conditions.  I've got a convention in Atlanta in September.  I'm actually considering tagging Dragon Con onto that visit, if it's not cancelled.   :)
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 27, 2020, 11:54:42 AM
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We have to decide if we want to take the risk.

That's the thing about infectious diseases.  You aren't the only one taking the risk.  You are deciding for everyone if they should take the risk too.  Infectious diseases aren't only about you.

I wonder if the state gave then indemnification from liability.  That's one of the things holding up a federal bill.  The republicans want to protect businesses from any liability.  So on one hand, they are saying that covid is no big deal so businesses should reopen.  On the other hand, they are saying that covid is a big deal so we have to indemnify businesses from any liability.
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Post by: semigeekgirl on May 27, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
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That's the thing about infectious diseases.  You aren't the only one taking the risk.  You are deciding for everyone if they should take the risk too.  Infectious diseases aren't only about you.


That's the bad part. At this point I'm so bored and depressed I'd go to Burning Man naked and touch EVERYONE just for something to do. I'm not afraid of getting it and I would accept the consequences (and long-term aftereffects) if I did.

But I won't kill other people if I can avoid it, so home I sit.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 27, 2020, 01:31:10 PM
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That's the bad part. At this point I'm so bored and depressed I'd go to Burning Man naked and touch EVERYONE just for something to do. I'm not afraid of getting it and I would accept the consequences (and long-term aftereffects) if I did.


Well Burning Man was canceled, so that would end up being a pretty boring trip.
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Post by: hikanteki on May 27, 2020, 03:38:15 PM
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Atlanta Comic-Con has been given the green light for July 31-Aug 2.  Pretty sure that means DragonCon will go forward as scheduled too.

Well, that makes two for them...since Atlanta Comic Con is run by the same company as the also-greenlit Tampa Bay Comic Convention. (Also, the now defunct San Francisco Comic Convention.)
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Post by: sefton42 on May 27, 2020, 03:40:13 PM
That makes sense.
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Post by: DaveG on May 27, 2020, 08:22:03 PM
Here's an example of language being used with a nearby zoo that is reopening. Their reopen has a lot of limitations, but the following disclaimer (or something similar) is something I expect to see more of in the future.

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An inherent risk of exposure to COVID-19 exists in any public place where people are present. COVID-19 is an extremely contagious disease that can lead to severe illness and death. By visiting the Racine Zoo, you voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to COVID-19.
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Post by: sessionka on May 28, 2020, 03:15:39 PM
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Here's an example of language being used with a nearby zoo that is reopening. Their reopen has a lot of limitations, but the following disclaimer (or something similar) is something I expect to see more of in the future.

I'm ok with this.   :) :)
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Post by: Chris on May 28, 2020, 04:43:22 PM
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Here's an example of language being used with a nearby zoo that is reopening. Their reopen has a lot of limitations, but the following disclaimer (or something similar) is something I expect to see more of in the future.

I wonder if events might make folks sign something like when they buy tickets, etc.
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Post by: sefton42 on May 28, 2020, 04:45:04 PM
It will be in the terms and conditions that we click that we read when we check out but never do because we’re in a rush.
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Post by: chocolateshake on May 28, 2020, 05:44:32 PM
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I wonder if events might make folks sign something like when they buy tickets, etc.

We already do.  It's in the terms you agree to when you buy a ticket.
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Post by: Chris on May 28, 2020, 10:44:03 PM
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It will be in the terms and conditions that we click that we read when we check out but never do because we’re in a rush.

That makes sense.  The "I agree" that we never read.  :)
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Post by: chocolateshake on June 04, 2020, 08:27:51 PM
Here's an article about why it took so long to cancel SDCC.  Mainly the reasons were financial.  Insurance was a factor as were permits.  Of course the cancellation fees from both the convention center and the hotels would have been substantial.  They were able to mitigate those.

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/economy/before-canceling-comic-con-worked-to-pass-off-costs/
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Post by: marcia29 on June 11, 2020, 01:05:25 PM
Due to recent upswings in apparent cases, I am changing my vote to ... no way.
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Post by: Transmute Jun on June 18, 2020, 02:35:08 PM
Thoughts on how a con such as SDCC could (eventually) happen again, while keeping everyone safe.

https://www.friendsofcc.com/2020/06/18/how-pop-culture-cons-can-adapt-in-the-covid-19-era/
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Post by: sefton42 on June 24, 2020, 06:09:29 PM
The con in Tampa in July and Atlanta in August canceled.  But there’s still one in Huntsville, AL in July.
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Post by: Miclpea on June 24, 2020, 07:51:02 PM
Tampa is still a go from their website.


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Post by: sefton42 on June 24, 2020, 08:34:52 PM
It’s on their Facebook pages.
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Post by: Miclpea on June 24, 2020, 08:45:04 PM
Okay, it’s about time!


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Post by: sefton42 on June 25, 2020, 07:27:27 PM
There’s a con taking place in Missouri in 2 weeks.  Masks not required, they said they won’t be able to maintain 6 foot distance, and all attendees have to sign a waiver.
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Post by: Miclpea on June 25, 2020, 07:49:04 PM
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There’s a con taking place in Missouri in 2 weeks.  Masks not required, they said they won’t be able to maintain 6 foot distance, and all attendees have to sign a waiver.
That is insane!


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Post by: susanml10881 on June 26, 2020, 02:06:59 PM
I wonder how these waivers will hold up in court when people get sick and die.
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Post by: stl_ben on June 26, 2020, 06:55:04 PM
Ooof just logged on facebook and saw that Cape Con was still on.  The guy that runs it was the owner of the LCS when I first got into the hobby.  Supper nice guy....but kind of not surprised he would be trying to do this.
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Post by: sessionka on June 27, 2020, 12:32:00 PM
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I wonder how these waivers will hold up in court when people get sick and die.

The issue with lawsuits can be more about legal fees as opposed to losing in court.  I'm no lawyer, but if an issue gets to court, it would be difficult to prove where you got the virus.  The organization running that con may have crunched the numbers, and figured they could handle it.
 
I live in a condo complex with a pool.  I was in on the debate on whether or not to open the pool.  On the legal issue, one side was not concerned about a lawsuit, because we'd most likely win.  The reason against opening centered around the legal fees we would incur in defending against a lawsuit.  Those fees would likely result in a significant increase in common charges.  Aside from all the additional standards we'd have to put in place, one of the major deal breakers was the possible cost to the association in defending against a lawsuit.  We decided against opening our pool.