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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #915 on: January 30, 2018, 07:57:04 PM »
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I haven't read the most recent updates etc. but the land that the potential new hotel and the Convention Center are both eyeing is actually managed by the city, if I'm not completely wrong on that. From what I understand, it's technically city land governed by the... SD Port Authority/Port of San Diego, established by the California government. So, basically there would be a contract to lease the land for x years and it would be renewed as needed. Basically, there are tons of businesses, restaurants, hotels, etc. down there that basically have long-term contracts to lease the land they use from the Port of SD.

Part of the issue is that I believe the convention center (or CCI, I can't quite remember) DID have a lease of the land in particular for a few years, at least, while the the expansion was still trying to get approval. They let the lease lapse though, probably because it was taking years, and that hotel company currently has the lease, so there's a dispute over whether the Post of SD can legally break that contract to allow the expansion of the center go through instead after it gets approved for funding.

I meant to reply to this ages ago, when I saw your comment first, but I was so busy with work and school I kept forgetting, my apologies!

Np, we all get busy and try respond at time we see something we see needs an answer if possible. if anything sometime later stuff will happen and go as they show or will change for any reason.


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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #916 on: January 31, 2018, 09:43:32 AM »
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The new measure accommodates them. Drafted with Mayor Kevin Faulconer’s failed one in mind, it tweaked the definition of the Convention Center itself to extend up to the railroad tracks along Harbor Drive rather than south of Harbor Drive. This means workers could conceivably build an expansion up to or even across Harbor Drive, replacing the current outdoor driveway and indoor lobby space with exhibit halls. Convention space could replace or transform Harbor Drive between Fifth Avenue and Park Boulevard

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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #917 on: February 22, 2018, 12:19:18 PM »
sdconventionctr #nofilterneeded We have proudly debuted our latest enhancement to an already iconic exhibit space: our #SailsPavilionLiggts are up and running! These are the same LED fixtures used to light the Empire State Building!

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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #918 on: February 23, 2018, 09:40:42 AM »
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sdconventionctr #nofilterneeded We have proudly debuted our latest enhancement to an already iconic exhibit space: our #SailsPavilionLiggts are up and running! These are the same LED fixtures used to light the Empire State Building!

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Wow, just wow, that's really awesome looking... although for the cost not something I'll really appreciate as much as something like the comfy chairs in Hall H, could they have done something better with the money? Maybe this is really great for conventions other than CCI.

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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #919 on: March 30, 2018, 07:49:38 AM »
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As backers of an expanded convention center push forward with a November initiative to finance the project, behind-the-scenes efforts are ramping up to overcome one of the development’s key challenges: control of the waterfront site. At issue is a $300 million hotel project planned for the same site as the convention center expansion, which city tourism leaders and Mayor Kevin Faulconer have been pushing for years. The expansion, though, has been on a collision course with the Fifth Avenue Landing hotel project, whose developers control the five-acre state tidelands site via a lease that is not due to expire until 2024. Last year the Fifth Avenue Landing leasehold filed suit against the city and Convention Center Corp., claiming that they were interfering with its contractual right to move forward with its project, which would be built on the back side of the center.

Twice in the last month, though, scheduled court hearings on the city’s motion to dismiss the suit have been continued at the parties’ request. The most recent continuance was Wednesday. In addition, San Diego port commissioners, who oversee the state tidelands properties, have had three closed-door sessions in the last month to discuss “price and terms” of the bayfront parcels under lease to Fifth Avenue Landing. The negotiating parties, according to the closed-session agendas, include Art Engel and Ray Carpenter, longtime port tenants who hold the Fifth Avenue Landing lease. Meanwhile, consideration of the hotel project, which was expected to go before port commissioners next month, will not be on the April agenda. Late last year, the environmental analysis for the project was completed, clearing the way for consideration by the port and eventually the California Coastal Commission. The confluence of recent events suggests that talks are intensifying to reach a financial settlement with Fifth Avenue Landing for returning control of the site to the convention center.

"This property is vital to the completion of the convention center expansion project and continued growth of San Diego's tourism economy,” Matt Awbrey, Faulconer’s deputy chief of staff, said Thursday. “Discussions are being had by all relevant parties under litigation through mediation. We will not comment further on pending litigation at this time." Officials with the port and Convention Center Corp. also declined to comment on the ongoing negotiations. Gil Cabrera, who chairs the convention center board, noted that the corporation remains interested in regaining control of the expansion site, regardless of whether the center gets enlarged. The top priority, though, remains the expansion, he stressed. “Our clients often utilize the space for various things, for storage, event space, they’ll build tents back there,” Cabrera said. “Each time, Fifth Avenue Landing has to agree to do it and sometimes they may or may not want to do that. I'm always hopeful that we can come to a resolution on all these issues, and the recent activity makes me hopeful.” Should there be a financial settlement, it is unclear where the funds would come from.

The lease held by Carpenter and Engel requires that they submit plans for a hotel of at least 400 rooms comparable in quality to other bayfront properties. In addition to an 830-room, four-star hotel rising 44 stories, Fifth Avenue Landing’s proposal calls for two acres of public plazas, open-air cafes along the bayfront promenade, an expansive rooftop garden plaza and a second hotel catering to budget-minded guests. Until almost three years ago, the Convention Center Corp. had control over the Fifth Avenue Landing site but opted to back out of a deal it struck in 2010 to acquire the leasehold at a cost of $13.5 million as part of its plans to enlarge the convention center. But the expansion project fell apart after an appellate court ruled in 2014 that the plan to finance it with a hotelier-approved room tax hike was unconstitutional.

A coalition of business leaders, hoteliers, labor unions and homeless advocates are backing a November ballot initiative that would hike the city’s hotel room tax to help pay for an expanded center costing as much as $850 million, as well as boost funding for the homeless and road repairs. The campaign group, Yes! for a Better San Diego, is currently circulating petitions in hopes of qualifying the measure for the November ballot. In its lawsuit against the city, Fifth Avenue Landing asserts that continued efforts to push a convention center expansion are a "direct breach" of a lease agreement it has governing the project site. In a legal brief supporting its motion to dismiss the suit, the Convention Center Corp. claims that the Fifth Avenue Landing case “relies on the faulty premise that (the corporation and city) were contractually obligated to forever refrain from seeking to expand the Convention Center onto the public tidelands property or from even speaking about it.” No contract, says the corporation, contains any such restriction on efforts to seek an expansion.
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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #920 on: April 10, 2018, 04:11:30 PM »
More charging stations, yes!

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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #921 on: April 23, 2018, 01:13:41 PM »
One area that I have never seen addressed in any of the expansion plans is the dire lack of elevators to get upstairs. Anyone who has used a wheelchair, scooter, or stroller can attest to this. Long lines are standard for people trying to get around. And number of people needing elevators is only going to go up. And this isn't including the vendors who are constantly moving up and down to keep the cookies and pretzels in stock. You would think there are separate service elevators but they must be too far away. Last year, there was a guy with a huge cart of cookies and things who demanded to cut ahead of the wheelchairs and strollers.

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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #922 on: April 25, 2018, 09:34:35 AM »
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One area that I have never seen addressed in any of the expansion plans is the dire lack of elevators to get upstairs. Anyone who has used a wheelchair, scooter, or stroller can attest to this. Long lines are standard for people trying to get around. And number of people needing elevators is only going to go up. And this isn't including the vendors who are constantly moving up and down to keep the cookies and pretzels in stock. You would think there are separate service elevators but they must be too far away. Last year, there was a guy with a huge cart of cookies and things who demanded to cut ahead of the wheelchairs and strollers.

Unfortunately all convention centers seem to stick with the least amount of elevators mandated for their size by law and that probably isn't going to change.
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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #923 on: April 25, 2018, 11:46:24 AM »
Guessing as time changes and more has to change or be done to make easier for those who need them to get around may call the center and ask why they not ad another or 2. for reals i wonder if they can be sued or have ever been sued for not making changes for disabled people who attend conventions for any event. all they gotta do is check prints and see where one or to can be added so not everyone gotta wait for one at any given time. and for the vendor to make others wait should have planned ahead so wasnt such an a$$ about having to be first at anytime.

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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #924 on: May 17, 2018, 01:51:12 PM »
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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #925 on: May 17, 2018, 08:05:00 PM »
Cool audio to listen to and understand how they do try to host and expand as they can over time. and seeing the fb page picture or any pic of the center outside that u would think they have a ton of space , but when u see all the traffic that comic con gets every year that the center would fill so fast if they didnt have any of the offsite events or attractions to check out at any given time of the comic con event for the week.

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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #926 on: May 23, 2018, 10:29:27 AM »
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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #927 on: May 24, 2018, 07:37:33 PM »
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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #928 on: May 24, 2018, 08:11:46 PM »
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I am guessing at some point if all does not got right, then there will be too many hotels to have the center expand how they wanna do so. they know the center needs more space, but just too much bs and money it takes is just dragging it out which seems like forever lol. i really dont think they need another hotel, cause they really need to expand more.

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Re: San Diego Convention Center Expansion
« Reply #929 on: May 24, 2018, 09:58:20 PM »
Yeah. No more Pendrys we can't get into!