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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2020, 11:05:21 AM »
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Nice discussion about scooters today on NPR.  Excellent comparisons to how Bicycles were first treated by cities 100 years ago to how scooters are being treated today.  Listen here:
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Listening to this now...about halfway through. So far, the discussion is lopsided...weighted with advocates and company reps, who clearly, CLEARLY will do anything to make scooters look favorable.  Not a fair discussion at all.  I even got a feeling of...anyone who is against scooter use, or wants more/tighter regulations are "out of touch" or older people with mobility issues, etc.  Ugh.   :(  Oh, poor scooter companies.  Smoother talkers, slick talkers. Ugh again.    I like the idea of scooters in the right places and with proper regulations.  We can work it out.
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2020, 11:27:14 AM »
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This comes as a surprise to me.  I do think some of the companies "went wild" with bringing the machines in,  and are responsible for much of this seeming backlash of strict regulations that have cut into their profit margins.

While the scooter companies did go wild.  Ask forgiveness and not permission.  Some didn't even bother to get licensing before starting up.  That's not what's led to back backlash.  It's the riders going wild.  It's the spat of accidents, some fatal, that led San Diego to crack down on escooters.  As these things go, San Diego is still lenient.  Some cities, NYC for example, ban them outright.

The problem is how people ride them.  I've been riding escooters for over 20 years.  I try to never ride on the sidewalk, that's what the bike lane is for.  I also don't ride my bike on the sidewalk.  When I do need to ride on the sidewalk, I go at a walking pace.  Too many people go 15 MPH on the sidewalk where there are pedestrians.  That's dangerous for everyone.

So the problem is the riders.  Education will not work.  It hasn't so far.  But there could be a technological solution.  Just like there is geo fencing to limit speed in some areas, a scooter could be made with a camera.  It can then know whether it's on the sidewalk or not.  If it is, then limit the speed to 3 MPH.

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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2020, 11:39:16 AM »
I like your idea of a speed limiter for things like a sidewalk violation....
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2020, 06:28:27 AM »
I've noticed a lot less if any around town lately.

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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2020, 05:52:55 PM »
Nothing wrong with walking.

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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2020, 05:55:50 PM »
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2020, 09:25:20 AM »
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Informative update...good read!
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2020, 07:03:10 PM »
Saw this on the SDCC blog twitter feed.  No more Lime scooters in San Diego.  The article references Lime losing $46,000 during Comic Con due to impounded scooters. 

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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2020, 07:12:42 AM »
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Saw this on the SDCC blog twitter feed.  No more Lime scooters in San Diego.  The article references Lime losing $46,000 during Comic Con due to impounded scooters. 

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Sounds like folk either did not know regulations, or....ignored them.  ::)
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2020, 12:39:59 PM »
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Sounds like folk either did not know regulations, or....ignored them.  :)
I've never ridden a scooter. Anyone know if there's any blowback on the user if they disobey the regulations? Or does the company just end up eating the fine and resulting black mark on their reputation?

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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2020, 02:25:03 PM »
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Sounds like folk either did not know regulations, or....ignored them.  ::)

agreed

imnsho, if you ride on the street, you need to follow certain rules of the road. Any cyclist knows them.
go with traffic, helmet, stop at stop lights, ped's have the right of way, etc
then there's basic bike handling skills which are very similar to scooters
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #41 on: January 24, 2020, 03:37:11 PM »
I think the company is responsible for the fines.  I remember waiting in line early one morning at the Amazon activation and seeing a big truck being loaded up by city workers with tons of scooters.  Frankly I found the scooters  impractical when used close to the convention center. Certain areas of Gaslamp were “slow speed” areas, the scooters would throttle down to such a slow speed it was faster to walk.


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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2020, 04:05:38 PM »
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I think the company is responsible for the fines.  I remember waiting in line early one morning at the Amazon activation and seeing a big truck being loaded up by city workers with tons of scooters.  Frankly I found the scooters  impractical when used close to the convention center. Certain areas of Gaslamp were “slow speed” areas, the scooters would throttle down to such a slow speed it was faster to walk.


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this ^^^

if i had to go from the bayfront to the hiltonHyatt, i'd go over the bridge, grab a scooter there, shoot down market or G street. Thereby avoiding all the foot traffic & inforced slow zone.
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2020, 03:00:33 PM »
I was actually going to try riding one this year, but now, I dunno. Maybe there won't be many..or any.... :o
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Re: New scooter laws just in time for comic-con.
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2020, 02:52:54 PM »
I quite enjoyed making use of the scooters. However, their GPS capabilities aren't always accurate. When it comes to where you can park them, sometimes you can park them just fine right outside of the no-parking sections, and sometimes it thinks you are within the no-parking section despite being a block or two outside of it. You just keep walking in the opposite direction from which you're trying to travel and eventually it will let you park/lock it. They still have some bugs to iron out, but the idea can be nice as long as you obey the simple rules and be a good person.