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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #255 on: May 22, 2020, 01:04:17 AM »
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I will argue this point. It matters not whether China silenced anything. Even when it was obvious how bad this thing was and people were dying on ships and all over Italy, the U.S. government played it down. So, even when obvious, we did nothing. If China had come out with bullhorns ablaring, we would have done nothing. Right now, we know darn well what it can do, and we're rushing to open everything back up. People are protesting, gathering in groups without masks, etc. We should not be blaming China for our own stupidity.
The intelligence community warned the President in December and January that China was lying about the problem and he ignored them. That’s on him.


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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #256 on: May 22, 2020, 08:41:48 AM »
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I will argue this point. It matters not whether China silenced anything. Even when it was obvious how bad this thing was and people were dying on ships and all over Italy, the U.S. government played it down. So, even when obvious, we did nothing. If China had come out with bullhorns ablaring, we would have done nothing. Right now, we know darn well what it can do, and we're rushing to open everything back up. People are protesting, gathering in groups without masks, etc. We should not be blaming China for our own stupidity.
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #257 on: May 22, 2020, 05:12:54 PM »
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I will argue this point. It matters not whether China silenced anything. Even when it was obvious how bad this thing was and people were dying on ships and all over Italy, the U.S. government played it down. So, even when obvious, we did nothing. If China had come out with bullhorns ablaring, we would have done nothing. Right now, we know darn well what it can do, and we're rushing to open everything back up. People are protesting, gathering in groups without masks, etc. We should not be blaming China for our own stupidity.

I agree.  I find it extremely hypocritical what the Trump administration is doing.  They are trying to find scapegoats where ever they can to divert blame for their own failings.

The local Wuhan authorities tried to silence it initially.  Beijing overrode that and blew the warning horn to the world.  In China now, that doctor is touted as a hero.

One person may have been silenced in China.  The Trump administration has tried to silence many more than one.  The CDC as a whole, the Captain of the Roosevelt, Fauci, Bright, Redfield ...  The list goes on and on.  That's just the big profile names.  How many people that aren't that well known trying to do the right thing have been silenced?  We'll never know.

Here in the US, Trump repeatedly downplayed the pandemic.  He still does.  He recently said that if we don't test then we won't have as many cases.  What?  Just 2 days ago, the world had the most number of new covid cases in one day ever.  Yet the Trump administration is trying to convince people that it's all over.  It hasn't even peaked.

So he's trying to cast blame where ever he can to divert from where the blame should fall.  On himself.  One organization he's trying to make into a scapegoat is the WHO.  It's sad that some are falling for it.  The WHO is a very reputable organization.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #258 on: May 22, 2020, 07:37:26 PM »
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I agree.  I find it extremely hypocritical what the Trump administration is doing.  They are trying to find scapegoats where ever they can to divert blame for their own failings.

The local Wuhan authorities tried to silence it initially.  Beijing overrode that and blew the warning horn to the world.  In China now, that doctor is touted as a hero.

One person may have been silenced in China.  The Trump administration has tried to silence many more than one.  The CDC as a whole, the Captain of the Roosevelt, Fauci, Bright, Redfield ...  The list goes on and on.  That's just the big profile names.  How many people that aren't that well known trying to do the right thing have been silenced?  We'll never know.

Here in the US, Trump repeatedly downplayed the pandemic.  He still does.  He recently said that if we don't test then we won't have as many cases.  What?  Just 2 days ago, the world had the most number of new covid cases in one day ever.  Yet the Trump administration is trying to convince people that it's all over.  It hasn't even peaked. (Debatable when looking at data.) - MW

So he's trying to cast blame where ever he can to divert from where the blame should fall.  On himself.  One organization he's trying to make into a scapegoat is the WHO.  It's sad that some are falling for it.  The WHO is a very reputable organization. (Debatable now due to suspect leadership.) - MW
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #259 on: May 22, 2020, 08:08:34 PM »
Those things are only debatable if you buy into unsupported conspiracy theories.  I do not.  I stick with the facts.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #260 on: May 26, 2020, 09:24:38 PM »
Today, I went into a store for the 3rd time in about 3 months.  It was my worst experience of the 3.  The first 2 times, I didn't expect everyone to be masked up so dressed accordingly.  I was covered head to toe with goggles.  Today, wearing a mask has been recommended so long and the store I went to has a must wear mask policy so I thought I wouldn't have to.  While the majority of people did follow that policy, even those who wore it with their nose exposed which defeats the purpose, there were a few people that didn't.  I avoided most, I would literally turn around in an aisle if I saw one.  In one situation I couldn't and this one dude mask free and yapping on his phone walks right at me.  There was so much space around me that he could have easily walked around me with plenty of space to spare.  I ended up saying "wear a mask" before he diverted around me way closer than he should have.

Why is it so hard for some people to do the right thing?

In another development, counting on antibody testing to allow people back to work was dealt a blow today.  The CDC is warning that antibody testing may only be right half the time.  Depending on the situation, if someone tests positive for covid antibodies there's only a 49% chance that that person actually has covid antibodies.  It's a coin toss.

"For example, in a population where the prevalence is 5%, a test with 90% sensitivity and 95% specificity will yield a positive predictive value of 49%. In other words, less than half of those testing positive will truly have antibodies."

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #261 on: May 29, 2020, 12:18:48 AM »
I'm of the mind that the governments of both countries should be heavily criticized for their policies that allowed the pandemic to happen. Yes, China did heavily lie about the spread of the disease in the beginning, it's part of why the WHO was giving out bad info about the virus in the beginning. I believe our country and the Western countries should heavily rethink our future relationship with China. We've relied on them too much for their cheap goods while ignoring their human rights abuse. It's bit us on the butt with the former seeing how hard it is for our country to make our own medical and N95 masks and other PPE that we have to overbid against ourselves to buy PPE from China for our hospitals, not to mention how frustrating it is the masks that we try to buy have questionable quality.

Btw, China is still lying about the covid origins. Just another example of how scummy their gov't is.

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It's definitely being spread in Chinese news. My parents watch Chinese news and seem to believe this conspiracy theory. So their gov't and our Trump-led gov't, just two sides of the same coin. It would almost be hilarious to see our two gov'ts try to out-lie each other if it weren't for all the causalities from all the lies.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #262 on: Yesterday at 08:01:47 AM »
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Btw, China is still lying about the covid origins. Just another example of how scummy their gov't is.

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It's definitely being spread in Chinese news. My parents watch Chinese news and seem to believe this conspiracy theory. So their gov't and our Trump-led gov't, just two sides of the same coin.

That they are two sides of the same coin, I would agree with here. Our government is no better than theirs, so we should stop throwing stones and just get on with digging ourselves out of this hole.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #263 on: Yesterday at 10:06:36 AM »
I think I should change the title of this thread from "... In the age of Covoid" to "....in the age of 2020"

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #264 on: Yesterday at 11:52:48 AM »
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That they are two sides of the same coin, I would agree with here. Our government is no better than theirs, so we should stop throwing stones and just get on with digging ourselves out of this hole.

It's the hypocrisy that I find most irritating.  We often criticize others while proceeding to do the same ourselves.

In times like this, historically the world does come together to solve the problem.  Allies and enemies put aside their differences and work for the common good.  Recriminations come, but they come after the crisis.  This time, we are splintering apart before it's even peaked.  Pulling out of the WHO in the middle of a pandemic is not wise.  Not for us, not for the world.