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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1515 on: November 19, 2021, 11:36:21 AM »
The FDA has authorized Pfizer and Moderna boosters for everyone over 18.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1516 on: November 19, 2021, 02:15:53 PM »
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1517 on: November 19, 2021, 03:27:43 PM »
All adults are eligible for boosters effective now.  CDC just signed off on it.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1518 on: November 26, 2021, 09:04:43 AM »
Yesterday, the world seemed to go instantaneously crazy over the "nu" variant.  I think what triggered it was that European countries like the UK and Germany announced bans on travel from southern Africa.  Now the entire EU is considering following suit.  It was thus headline news on the BBC.  Starting late last night it became "breaking news" on CNN with multiple "breaking news" events in one news segment.  World markets traded down overnight.  The DOW is down 1000 pts right now.

The world is still very shaky.  This variant wasn't found until 2 weeks ago.  There have only been a 10's of cases found worldwide.  Delta was a concern for weeks and much more widespread before the world seem to respond this way.  This is so new that it hasn't even been assigned a name yet, it's just assumed that it will be "nu".  The reason the world is reacting this way is the number of mutations is large with this variant.  So the concern is that it may evade the vaccines at least to a degree.  But there's a reason that most people have only heard of alpha and delta although we are up to "nu".  It's because the other variants died out.  Hopefully this one will die out as well.

Update: The powers that be have met and have name this variant "omicron".  I guess "nu" was already taken.  Colloquially it's already being called the "Thanksgiving variant".  They also classified it as a VOC skipping over classifying it as a VOI first.
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1519 on: November 26, 2021, 11:14:57 AM »
The name should be Unicron.  :P
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1520 on: November 26, 2021, 11:43:48 AM »
The US is banning foreign nationals arriving from Southern Africa starting on Monday.  At least people have warning.  In the Netherlands overnight, flights that came in from South Africa were held in purgatory while they figured out what to do.  Held on the tarmac for hours with no contact.  Not even food and water.  Considering that we are 2 years into this pandemic, why aren't there plans in place for this?
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1521 on: November 26, 2021, 03:36:25 PM »
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Yesterday, the world seemed to go instantaneously crazy over the "nu" variant.  I think what triggered it was that European countries like the UK and Germany announced bans on travel from southern Africa.  Now the entire EU is considering following suit.  It was thus headline news on the BBC.  Starting late last night it became "breaking news" on CNN with multiple "breaking news" events in one news segment.  World markets traded down overnight.  The DOW is down 1000 pts right now.

The world is still very shaky.  This variant wasn't found until 2 weeks ago.  There have only been a 10's of cases found worldwide.  Delta was a concern for weeks and much more widespread before the world seem to respond this way.  This is so new that it hasn't even been assigned a name yet, it's just assumed that it will be "nu".  The reason the world is reacting this way is the number of mutations is large with this variant.  So the concern is that it may evade the vaccines at least to a degree.  But there's a reason that most people have only heard of alpha and delta although we are up to "nu".  It's because the other variants died out.  Hopefully this one will die out as well.

Update: The powers that be have met and have name this variant "omicron".  I guess "nu" was already taken.  Colloquially it's already being called the "Thanksgiving variant".  They also classified it as a VOC skipping over classifying it as a VOI first.
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1522 on: November 26, 2021, 09:04:04 PM »
So I guess this is two of the reasons so many countries are freaking out about the new variant.  Researchers on both sides of the Atlantic stress that it's early days but the indications are bad.  They are throwing out a big number for how infectious Omicron is.  Both an American researcher and an Austrian researcher said the same horrible number.  It would be interesting to know whether they came up with the same number independent of one another.

It turns out that the Netherlands had good reason to hold those fights from South Africa on the tarmac.  The last report I saw was that they had only tested 110 out of 600 passengers.  Out of those 110, 15 tested positive for coronavirus.  If that is representative, then 13.6% of the people on those planes are sick.  They don't know what variant it is yet but that's still pretty alarming.  Considering all the rules airlines and countries have for international travel, 13% of the people on a plane are actively infected?  That's not good news.

Update: After testing all 600 people, 61 have coronavirus.
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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1523 on: November 27, 2021, 07:53:05 PM »
The Omicron variant is a reminder to all developed nations regarding vaccine inequities.  Developing nations have a much lower vaccination rate and that is where many of the variants are coming from.  This renews the debate over how much the developed world should help developing nations as far as getting people in poorer nations vaccinated.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1524 on: November 28, 2021, 10:57:23 AM »
It's still very early days with omicron.  There's bad news and what may make that bad news into potentially good news.

As of the last report I saw, 16 out of the 61 people that tested positive on those flights that landed in Amsterdam have omicron.  Which is quite striking.  Since in order to even get on plane to the Netherlands you have to be fully vaccinated and, if departing from high risk areas, test negative.  So these people that are infected are fully vaccinated and tested negative before getting on the plane.  Yet by the time they landed in Amsterdam, 10% of the passengers tested positive.  Which also illustrates how travel bans only have a very limited utility.  By the time something is detected, a lot of people have already spread it all over the world.

So it seems that omicron is very infectious.  What makes that potentially good news is that anecdotally so far there have been no cases of serious illness from it.  The people that have been confirmed with it have had no symptoms or mild illness.  It's "good" news if a less deadly strain becomes dominant.  That's what happened with the flu. It didn't go away after 1918, a less deadly strain became dominant and is with us every year.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1525 on: November 28, 2021, 06:06:19 PM »
Two cases of Omicron were detected in Ottawa.  It’s so far the only North American cases.  The two people had recently returned from a trip to Nigeria.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1526 on: November 29, 2021, 11:50:25 AM »
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The Omicron variant is a reminder to all developed nations regarding vaccine inequities.  Developing nations have a much lower vaccination rate and that is where many of the variants are coming from.  This renews the debate over how much the developed world should help developing nations as far as getting people in poorer nations vaccinated.

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ABSOLUTELY!
We are seeing a serious, deadly issue being compounded significantly because of sheer capitalism.  Drug companies not wanting to share the formula for the vaccine w/underdeveloped companies means said countries don't have a robust vaccination system in place.  I read Africa has, like a 30ish% vaccination rate which only allows the virus to mutate more and more until it potentially out-powers the vaccination.

I honestly don't know what the solution is.  I know USA has sent vaccines to other countries, but statistically speaking that's just a drop in the bucket population density-wise. 

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« Reply #1527 on: November 29, 2021, 02:52:21 PM »
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ABSOLUTELY!
We are seeing a serious, deadly issue being compounded significantly because of sheer capitalism.  Drug companies not wanting to share the formula for the vaccine w/underdeveloped companies means said countries don't have a robust vaccination system in place.  I read Africa has, like a 30ish% vaccination rate which only allows the virus to mutate more and more until it potentially out-powers the vaccination.

I honestly don't know what the solution is.  I know USA has sent vaccines to other countries, but statistically speaking that's just a drop in the bucket population density-wise.

I agree about vaccine unfairness.  That is something that needs to be dealt with.  It's not just an ethical issue, it's pragmatic.  Pandemics are about everyone.  No country is safe unless all countries are safe.  Especially since some of the developing countries are being charged 2x as much as the US and other rich countries were for the same vaccine.  We paid about $17/dose.  They are being charged $29/dose.  That makes no sense.  Normally, it's the opposite.  We pay $100, they pay $10.

In this case, that's not the problem.  Africa has about a 3% vaccination rate.  South Africa the country has about a 30% vaccination rate.  South Africa does not have a shortage of vaccine.  In fact, they told Pfizer and J&J recently to stop sending them vaccine because they already have too much they can't use.  The problem in South Africa is the same problem we have here.  Vaccine hesitancy.  They have enough vaccine, but they don't have enough people willing to take it.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1528 on: November 29, 2021, 05:26:00 PM »
Moderna stock soared Friday and Monday after the pharmaceutical giant said they could have a vaccine tailored to Omicron by mid-Spring.

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Re: Reports & check ins in the age of Covid
« Reply #1529 on: November 30, 2021, 06:25:28 PM »
Israel is reporting four cases of people infected with Omicron, including two who were boosted but so far only suffering mild symptoms.  Israel also reported that with fully vaccinated people within six months with Pfizer, the Omicron variant is only 1.3 times stronger than Delta, but not as strong as initially feared.

South Africa is reporting an increase in hospitalizations, but not an increase in patients needing to be treated for severe disease.

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